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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: jwhouk on 27 Mar 2011, 05:15
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First polls of the week can be difficult. Meh.
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Know what you're talking about - there's also the pressure not to make a hash of the dates as well. :-D
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I figured it was an April Fool's reference.
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More Hannelore!
Han-ners!
Han-ners!
Han-ners!
Han-ners!
Han-ners!
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Hanners, you say? Daaaaaaaaaang.
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Black eyes for Marten and Angus!
Nah, seriously, the last couple of weeks we've had some funny moments with Hanners and Marigold, some d'aww moments with Angus and Faye, so I'm bracing myself for some more dramaz!
That or Dora pops in for a comic and bitch about the therapist asking her about her parents. (One day she'll get it...one day...)
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... or Dora pops in for a comic and bitch about the therapist asking her about her parents. (One day she'll get it...one day...)
I'm glad somebody else noticed that Dora hasn't quite gotten the ideas behind psycotherapy. How we talk about what is going on in our lives is MUCH more important that what we choose to say to our therapist. Actually, it's the stuff we skip over that make's them really dig in.
I gotta take my medication now.
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Just how loud is Marten thinking?
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Just how loud is Marten thinking?
Or how thin are those walls?
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1. Loud enough.
2. Thin enough.
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Always funny to see someone having an introspective moment, only to look up and realise that people are looking at them strangely. Yep, they weren't thinking, but saying it out loud to the world. Yep, public (or in this case private) humiliation is always hilarious.
I should not be posting at 4:30 in the morning should I?
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Is Marten trying to convince himself, or is he just enjoying a pleasant surprise?
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You'd think that after over 1800 comics (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=6), Marten would've worked on this problem a bit.
But jesus those walls must be thin. To think Dora was actually surprised (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1580) Faye could hear them getting it on.
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Good one. :D
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It's really amazing how much more you can hear in a multi apartment complex once all of the normal day to day sounds are gone. During the day I can't hear a thing in my house (3 stories/4 apts) with just the sounds of people outside or various tv's on or whatnot, but when I'm trying to sleep and it's all dark and silent, I swear I can hear the third floor neighbor fart (:
Which is why I always sleep with a fan on!
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Is Marten trying to convince himself, or is he just enjoying a pleasant surprise?
I think Jeph's trying to put a lid on the "in vino, veritas" crowd from the drunk proposition scene.
So yeah, pleasant surprise. 'cause he wasn't sure just how he'd really feel... it's a little like when Marigold realized she really was alright at the party. It just wasn't expected, but there it is!
And that 's the best kindof surprise.
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Does anyone else think the person who's replying to Marten's introspection is someone other than Faye and Angus? I don't really know the layout of Marten + Faye's apartment, so it's entirely possible the person who's yelling at him in the last panel is their next door neighbor or something.
Also, where is Ellen (Steve's ex-girlfriend) living (http://questionablecontent.net/cast.php?, search for Ellen)? Earlier on in the comics, she was living in the same building as Marten and Faye. Did she move out or something?
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I talk to myself constantly. Occasionally I have been mocked for it, to which I usually respond that it's because I can't have an intelligent conversation with anyone else. ;)
Good to see Marten's feeling good about this. I agree that he seems genuinely relaxed and happy, and maybe even a little surprised that he is, but it doesn't look like a brave face over gnawing regret.
I do agree, though. Either those walls are paper-thin or both he and Faye sleep with their doors open.
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Mnnh.
To me, today's strip felt a bit contrived -- like those scenes in a book where the female character stops in front of a mirror and inventories her facial and bodily features so that the readers get a good idea of what she looks like.
This is heavy-handed exposition posing as a monologue that no one on earth would ever actually make.
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Ellen took a position on a deep sea research vessel.
Marten has been portrayed as thinking out loud since strip 6, so I'm willing to buy this one.
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Does anyone else think the person who's replying to Marten's introspection is someone other than Faye and Angus? I don't really know the layout of Marten + Faye's apartment, so it's entirely possible the person who's yelling at him in the last panel is their next door neighbor or something.
Also, where is Ellen (Steve's ex-girlfriend) living (http://questionablecontent.net/cast.php?, search for Ellen)? Earlier on in the comics, she was living in the same building as Marten and Faye. Did she move out or something?
Based on the bkgd of Strip 1740 (though 1741 confuses) ... I'd say the "trying to sleep" voice would have a distinct Georgia accent if we could hear it.
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Or was it the neighbour in the Apartment next door? :-D
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Or Hanners. [edit] mind you she doesn't sleep much [/edit]
Bunnythor, i actually do this a lot, it was an idea suggested to me by my therapist as a method of clarifying confusing thoughts, talking as if the therapist was actually there (when i'm alone) and it's worked well for me.
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Mnnh.
To me, today's strip felt a bit contrived -- like those scenes in a book where the female character stops in front of a mirror and inventories her facial and bodily features so that the readers get a good idea of what she looks like.
This is heavy-handed exposition posing as a monologue that no one on earth would ever actually make.
Agreed. This has gone well beyond Jeph trying to sink the S.S. Fayten. The ship already has more holes than Swiss cheese; now he's nuking it from orbit.
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It's the only way to be sure.
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I have these kinds of conversations with myself from time to time. I need to be careful though, as it's pretty easy to get all existential during them if I don't self-moderate.
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I have these conversations with myself more often than I have conversations in general with other people. Which is kinda sad, but hey!
Also, happy Marten in panel two is happy. That's the warmest smile we've had from him in a good while; it's great to see. :-)
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I agree, it was great to see him smile like that. Hopefully everything will be less dramatic from now on.
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If nothing else, this comic seems to be revealing what percentage of QC readers will admit that they talk to themselves when alone. :P Seems quite a few of us do so!
I will concede that Marten monologuing about how over Faye he is could be seen as a pretty contrived plot device in another context, but I don't think that's the case here. We know Marten talks to himself sometimes, and clearly lots of people do. It doesn't strike me as being too far-fetched.
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I talk more when I'm by myself than I ever do when I'm with other people.
It's usually the only way I can finish a sentence.
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Just how loud is Marten thinking?
loud enough for people in this forum to hear him?
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D'aww.
What a nice start for the week. Marten seems genuinely happy, which has been kind of rare treat lately.
I talk to myself constantly. Occasionally I have been mocked for it, to which I usually respond that it's because I can't have an intelligent conversation with anyone else. ;)
Hehe, it seems that im not the unique snowflake i thought i was. I admit using the exact same response with a mischievous smirk. :roll:
Seems that we have quite few self-debating forumites here. (which is nice)
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It's really amazing how much more you can hear in a multi apartment complex once all of the normal day to day sounds are gone. During the day I can't hear a thing in my house (3 stories/4 apts) with just the sounds of people outside or various tv's on or whatnot, but when I'm trying to sleep and it's all dark and silent, I swear I can hear the third floor neighbor fart (:
Which is why I always sleep with a fan on!
This is why my (soon to be former) workplace has a "no talking" rule after 10 PM. Walls made of cinderblock, floors of poured concrete and tile, bed frames of metal... you drop a pin in a room and it sounds like the building's falling apart.
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Does anyone else think the person who's replying to Marten's introspection is someone other than Faye and Angus? I don't really know the layout of Marten + Faye's apartment, so it's entirely possible the person who's yelling at him in the last panel is their next door neighbor or something.
Also, where is Ellen (Steve's ex-girlfriend) living (http://questionablecontent.net/cast.php?, search for Ellen)? Earlier on in the comics, she was living in the same building as Marten and Faye. Did she move out or something?
She got put on a bus boat. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=713) Yes, she showed up several strips later, but she acknowledged that the "next semester" (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=788) she was going to be on a research vessel.
Of course, that was probably several semesters ago.
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I have these kinds of conversations with myself from time to time. I need to be careful though, as it's pretty easy to get all existential during them if I don't self-moderate.
Amen. Been there.
I don't think it's so unusual that Marten is having this moment right before bed. I'm a little surprised that he's apparently using a teaching voice to do it, like he's giving some sort of seminar, but I'm not surprised that this is his thought process nor am I surprised that he thinks out loud. Nighttime's when you do most of the processing anyway, isn't it?
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She got put on a bus boat. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=713) Yes, she showed up several strips later, but she acknowledged that the "next semester" (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=788) she was going to be on a research vessel.
Of course, that was probably several semesters ago.
I'd say she got eaten by an orca.
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naaahhhh ya, he's saying it just so she could overhear. Although he doesn't consciously realize it's what he's deliberately doing, himself.
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Now, that's convoluted!
As for talking to myself, I don't - well, maybe a phrase or two escapes when I'm walking along, thinking.
Mostly I talk to the dogs and cats. The dogs are good listeners, but don't give any advice. The cats have too many complaints, and we usually wind up arguing.
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Talking to oneself while driving is very useful. I've sovled many problems that way.
Working out hand signals for loading large stones into the tractor while in heavy traffic... That got me some VERY peculiar looks!
ON THREAD: Jeph is just letting us know that no matter how many times Marten has to repeat himself he is OK with the kind of relationship he and Faye have.
The paper-thin wall joke was just thrown in for humor.
My opinion is the last line should have been "..we are trying..."
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Does anyone else think the person who's replying to Marten's introspection is someone other than Faye and Angus?
I actually thought it was Pintsize - making a joke, obviously, as I don't think AnthroPCs actually (need to) sleep - in the same room. But I could be mistaken. And Marten probably wouldn't apologise to Pintsize.
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not only is the pillow tiny, the case is even smaller...
if it were large enough, you could stifle the pillow more easily.
I wonder if it snores when it sleeps? Do pillows sleep? Bad enough that they talk...
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No, they just lie in bed all day because they're depressed.
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TSB shenanigans lead to a date - for Hannelore?
What does a Technical Service Bulletin have to with Hanners getting laid?
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The Secret Bakery.
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It's really amazing how much more you can hear in a multi apartment complex once all of the normal day to day sounds are gone. During the day I can't hear a thing in my house (3 stories/4 apts) with just the sounds of people outside or various tv's on or whatnot, but when I'm trying to sleep and it's all dark and silent, I swear I can hear the third floor neighbor fart (:
Which is why I always sleep with a fan on!
I used to gigglesnort at my old neighbor at night because he'd snore loudly. I hated his wife because she'd be opening and closing the sliding closet doors all damn night on the weekends.
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Are you sure that's what that sound was? :wink:
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Faye: Who the hell were you talking to last night?!
Marten: I'm sorry, I know my pillow can be SUCH a chatterbox!
Faye: ...I don't think you're handling this quite as well as you think.
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So what sort of fun are we in for this week?
TSB shenanigans lead to a date - for Hannelore? - 6 (9.4%)
Dora's counselor happens to be Angus' dad! - 3 (4.7%)
Dora has a "talk" - with Sven? - 6 (9.4%)
Marigold has more issues. - 6 (9.4%)
Daaaaaaaaaaaaanng. - 18 (28.1%)
RAVEN SHOWS UP! - 8 (12.5%)
MOAR PINTSIZEEEE!!@#$!!!1 - 1 (1.6%)
"Wait, March 32nd? ... oh, yeah, I get it." - 16 (25%)
Total Voters: 64
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I'm not sure I do get March 32nd. I mean, unless there's nothing to get, and that itself is the joke.
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I'm not sure I do get March 32nd. I mean, unless there's nothing to get, and that itself is the joke.
Wakey, wakey!
The day after Mar 31?
April Fools!
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So...there's nothing to get, and that itself is the joke. Gotcha.
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This is heavy-handed exposition posing as a monologue that no one on earth would ever actually make.
Yeah... At least it should have been in think-bubbles rather than speech in terms of realism. But then the punch-line wouldn't have worked. But for me the punch-line worked mostly as fourth-wall-painting meta-humour drawing attention to the implausibility of Marten's monologue.
Or am I over-analysing? I giggled anyway...
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...twenty minutes? Someone doesn't know the back roads.
Although I do remember on my first car trip to Maine alone, and how shocked I was at one point on the way when I realized just where in Massachusetts I was.
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Heh. 20 minutes. That's my daily commute to work (one-way). Heck, if I get a job elsewhere, my daily commute could be over an hour one way.
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I know people who think like that ... including a family that moved from one side of a tiny town to the other to be a mile or so closer to some relatives.
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Penelope must be a transplanted Rhode Islander because I've never heard anyone in MA say 20 minutes is too far to travel. :psyduck: (She's even got a car for frig's sakes.)
A trip from Northampton to Amherst is less than 10 miles up route 9. Seriously I live 30 miles from work (45 minutes) and half the people there come from New Hampshire. 9 miles is nothing. :\
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That mindset was frequent by some of my friends back in my hometown, after I moved. To them, I live in the part of the state known as "drive-by" country.
To most who live along the Lake Michigan shoreline (Milwaukee, mostly), any cities or locales between Milwaukee and Madison, or Milwaukee and Green Bay, are considered places you "drive by" on I-94 or I-43 or US 41 - and usually at 65+ MPH.
Two cities can look to be relatively close on a map, but can be worlds apart in the mindset of those who live there.
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Considering that Penelope is the only current CoD employee to have been seen driving a car (Dora supposedly has one but never drives it), I can only assume that the "twenty minutes" describer is either on foot or using public transport. That's... nothing.
I grew up going to a school that was 45 minutes away by bus, and about half an hour by car. And that's on the open road, not puttering around at city speed limits. You want perspective about distances, come to Australia. Down here if a journey takes less than two hours it's considered to be a short trip.
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According to Google Maps, a trip between the two town centers is 8.7 miles (14 kilometers), about 20 minutes by car, and mostly on a
divided multi-lane state highway.
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*snrk*
Divided multi-lane state highway. Right.
Someone's never been to New England, or at least not outside the Boston area.
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...How the frak does an 8.7 mile journey take 20 minutes???
I live 20 miles from Lubbock, Texas. I consider it a 15-25 minute trip, depending on where exactly in Lubbock I'm going. Going to Amarillo (1.5 hours exactly if I hit traffic lights just right) is something I'd do for a concert if it was someone I really wanted to see.
(I know, us giant state people have no sense of scale either.)
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That mindset was frequent by some of my friends back in my hometown, after I moved. To them, I live in the part of the state known as "drive-by" country.
To most who live along the Lake Michigan shoreline (Milwaukee, mostly), any cities or locales between Milwaukee and Madison, or Milwaukee and Green Bay, are considered places you "drive by" on I-94 or I-43 or US 41 - and usually at 65+ MPH.
huh, I grew up in Kenosha, and I never heard that phrase... maybe its because the people who would use it were always "driving by" us!
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...How the frak does an 8.7 mile journey take 20 minutes???
They're called "traffic jams". I'm sure they exist, but I've never seen them.
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Heh. 20 minutes. That's my daily commute to work (one-way). Heck, if I get a job elsewhere, my daily commute could be over an hour one way.
Oh man, when I went to school in Atlanta (I live about 30 miles north of there), it took me at least 30 minutes to get down there. That's if there wasn't any traffic. Factor in rush hour and you've got me leaving my house at 7:45AM for a 9:30AM class. It was a nightmare!
Hell, it still takes me 20 minutes to get to work and the majority of my friends houses, even the ones who live pretty close... I think it's the high volume of traffic. I just can't picture someone being like "Oh yea, I'm moving to Atlanta" or "Yea, I found a place I like out in Canton" and me thinking "I'll never get to see you again!"
I agree with Faye in this comic. :-]
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I grew up going to a school that was 45 minutes away by bus, and about half an hour by car. And that's on the open road, not puttering around at city speed limits. You want perspective about distances, come to Australia. Down here if a journey takes less than two hours it's considered to be a short trip.
Sounds like where I grew up in northwestern Minnesota...and 30-45 minutes is only if the roads aren't drifted over with snow or sheeted in ice (I remember being berated for not coming in to play practice one day because the roads were covered in "only" a foot of snow. we're kind of hardcore with winter). And about half the trip is on gravel road.
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...How the frak does an 8.7 mile journey take 20 minutes???
I live 20 miles from Lubbock, Texas. I consider it a 15-25 minute trip, depending on where exactly in Lubbock I'm going. Going to Amarillo (1.5 hours exactly if I hit traffic lights just right) is something I'd do for a concert if it was someone I really wanted to see.
(I know, us giant state people have no sense of scale either.)
I live in Acworth, GA and I work in Woodstock, GA. I literally live about 10 miles from my job. It never takes me less than 15-20 minutes to get there. I think a lot of it depends on the way the roads and traffic lights are situated. I also live in an area with a really high volume of traffic. If I go into work around 4:30-5:00 on a Friday... it can take me twice as long to get there.
I don't know a lot about the area the characters in the comic live, but from what other people have said, I get the impression that it's a high volume of traffic area as well. I know from experience Boston is, I think the traffic I had to sit through there may have been worse than the traffic in Atlanta, and that's saying something.
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*snrk*
Well excuuuuuuse me princess. It's not every day I drive three hours to go hang around in Small Town USA. I didn't think that entire stretch would be as backwoods and desolate as Heath. (Actually come to think of it a lot of it looks like 123 through Norton, or 1A around the prison.) Some parts actually are multi-lane, and have steel barrier between the lanes of travel.
Next time I'll remember to check Google Maps first to make sure remote parts of a main road I regularly drive on match the parts I'm familiar with.
...How the frak does an 8.7 mile journey take 20 minutes???
The mostly tiny two lane non-divided state highway probably has a 40 MPH speed limit and lots of intersections.
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I commute regularly over the course of 45 minutes to work in the morning, and 45 minutes back. Of course, I am a cheapo who doesn't like paying $40 for a tank full of gas on a weekly basis either.
However, I am curious to know what it'd be like to live in the close-knit community that Penelope and Hannelore have been so clearly spoiled in.
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Heh. 20 minutes. That's my daily commute to work (one-way). Heck, if I get a job elsewhere, my daily commute could be over an hour one way.
I used to have a daily commute of 40 minutes (one way) going by county highway and interstate back when I lived with my parents. My current commute is about 10 minutes, with the worst part being a dumb traffic light that rarely turns green when I approach that intersection.
I really think that Dora will also be getting a car. Public transportation is handy, but there are times that having access to a car is a must. I'm thinking of odd hours when the buses may be running on a altered schedule, or maybe she lives in an area where that one favorite store of hers is not around. It can happen. (My town has bus service, but I cannot use it to get to my job unless I want to work second shift, when the bus service would then quit before I go home.)
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Dora has a car. She just doesn't use it much (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=621).
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Seriously, small states are messed up. I consider about a 40 mile radius around where I live to be my zone of familiarity- my college is 15 miles away. I remember visiting DC and then driving with cousins to their home by Atlanta, and we drove through three states on the way (not counting Georgia). It took about10 hours. I could go north for 10 hours and still be 100 miles away from the Oregon border. I don't drive, but I also wouldn't want to live in a smaller area.
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I guess my commute: 8 miles on a bike (or a car if you don't mind driving thru what passes for an urban area in these parts) or 12 miles by car (via major roads - my preference), is typical for SW Finland. One of the reasons I quit my second job at Nokia was that their local site was relocated to join their major site 35 miles further East (20-25 minutes on a fast train from the old site). Too long a commute for me. Several coworkers felt the same way and opted for the severance package instead (some of them have since reconsidered :-))
It's all about your own expectations and the structure of the society around you. At our previous place (a 2-mile-commute) I hardly ever needed a car. Parts of US East coast with old cities may be the same. The cities in the Midwest, and the Pacific coast in particular, are designed and built on the premise that you have a car. Consequently a longer commute becomes acceptable, and is the norm in LA (judging from what I've heard).
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I regularly spend one hour going to my girlfriend via public transport because I don't have a car. When I tell people, I get reactions ranging from "oh, that's nice" up to "I would get a girlfriend which lives closer". (Major WTF at the latter).
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I used to bike the 4.5 miles to my work.
Don't have that job anymore, though.
Now it's 54 miles (one way) from my curb to the parking lot at work. Takes 1 1/4 hours (75 min).
In good weather.
The trip crosses two mountain ridges. The longest it took so far was just under 6 hours during a blizzard. They closed the road in front of and behind us for two of those hours.
And yes, I have spent the night in my office a couple of times when I knew the bad weather was coming!
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...How the frak does an 8.7 mile journey take 20 minutes???
The distance from my parents' house to my friend's apt in a relatively suburban part of NYC was 5.3 mi, and it was usually a 20 to 30 minute trip. The google maps estimate must've been based on 3am traffic.
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Penelope must be a transplanted Rhode Islander because I've never heard anyone in MA say 20 minutes is too far to travel. :psyduck: (She's even got a car for frig's sakes.)
I said exactly the same thing. As a Rhode Islander myself, you cannot believe how true this is. Even I'm guilty of it. If I was up at school in Providence and I had like 5 hours to spare between classes, most normal folks would think that "Hey, I only live about 30 min away, nothing wrong with driving home for lunch and chilling out" but nope, my inner Rhode Islander thinks "Oh geez, five hours to spare? What the hell am I going to do?! I can't go home because that's like 2 hours in itself!" For the record, I'm working on this...
I don't know how true it is with MA folk or other small staters, but Rhode Islanders are easily the most notorious. I know a few non-native RIers who live here and they commute to Boston or New York for work. That is like damn near impossible to me!
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My last job was 1.5 hrs away in the center of London, 55 mins on the train getting into the city, 25 mins on the Underground and 10 mins of walking in between, when everything worked OK. In the height of summer, being stuck on one of the hottest lines in the system, with a power failure, no wind, no light and no room to move for 2 hrs (literally, rammed into the carriages) obviously no A/C because that would be so much hard work, luckily I'm 6'1 and didn't have to spend my time breathing peoples armpits. After that I moved away and my new job is a 10 mile 10 minute drive.
BTW, comic, has anyone else noticed Angus's colour predilection? pink sheets, pink pillows, purple bedsheets and puce condoms ...
[edit] please ignore the above, it's early morning and the caffeine has yet to kick in. thank you akronnick for pointing out the howler :psyduck: [/edit]
[edit 2] actually on the topic of the poll, I put after waking up but it's more when walking the dog in the morning, I can guarantee solitude at that point [/edit 2]
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...How the frak does an 8.7 mile journey take 20 minutes???
Because Route 9, pretty much the only feasible way to get from Amherst to Northampton (a small matter of crossing the Connecticut River), has as much in the way of traffic backups as exists in that part of Massachusetts. A divided, limited-access highway it is not.
Seriously, it isn't just Rhode Islanders. New Englanders generally have this incredible and insane hatred of traveling much of any distance at all. I've lived in the Boston area most of my life, and in Springfield and Easthampton for a dozen years, and driving out as far as Worcester - halfway to the Valley - is considered a daunting trip by many Bostonians. The number of times I drove out to Amherst to visit when I was in my 20s, only to have the locals treat me (after my not-quite-2-hour drive) as if I'd fought through two hundred miles of jungle with a machete and a leaking waterskin. (shakes his head)
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Did Dora pack the entire Pancake makeup pot and tube of Lipstick on herself today? She's....shinier than usual.
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BTW, comic, has anyone else noticed Angus's colour predilection? pink sheets, pink pillows, purple bedsheets and puce condoms ...
I believe that was Faye's room.
Either that or Marten is hooking up with Marigold now.
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45 minutes of driving is where I generally draw the line for things that take less than a couple hours. That might not sound like much, but distances are scaled down around here so in that time frame you can count on passing two dozen supermarkets, five Wal-Marts, a few Targets, a couple Lowes, and about 7,000 Dunkin' Donuts.
I said exactly the same thing. As a Rhode Islander myself, you cannot believe how true this is. Even I'm guilty of it.
It probably has something to do with the small town mentality that everyone outside Providence exhibits. Apparently everyone knows everyone else, and has memorized the lay of the land for the entire state. You get some interesting driving directions out of it, though. "You want to get to the mall? Okay bang a right up there where the Almacs used to be, then take the second left past where the old mill burned down, then follow 7 past the weird tree and it's on the left. If you go past my cousin Vinny's house, you've gone too far. :mrgreen:"
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<Bemused> I used to cycle to work (5 minutes), but now I walk (15 minutes) because it gives me more exercise. I have had commutes of up to 1 1/2 hours, though; but when you are spending three hours a day in a car like that, you have so much less time to have a life.
Jeph seems out of practice with Dora's face ( especially in the last panel). He has said in the past (more than once, I think) that he's always found her the hardest to get right for some reason.
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After living in Santiago, Chile's capital more than half my lifetime... I completely agree with Faye. Seriously, 20 minutes is nothing. I really hope Dora was saying 20 minutes driving. Because if it was walk distance... I don't know what else to say. :psyduck:
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Oof. Guys, I'm a native Los Angelino- everything is 20 minutes away, and that's just in the city. If you're coming from the suburbs where I am now- :roll: well, my hub went to a gig in Orange county this morning, and allotted about an hour and half to go 40 miles. Since he was planning on taking the 91 (our local parking lot)- I-91 for all of you folks from East of here- that was a pretty reasonable amount of time, since it was a bit after rush hour.
And we can just forget about public transportation. I need to leave the house 2 hours early if I'm going to take the 3 buses to get to work- a 15 minute drive (a 4 mile distance).
Edited to make myself a bit clearer
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My first thought seeing this one was that Jeph is trying to remove Dora from the comic. Though she's already been kind of... away from the center stage for a while. Now it looks like it could be more official.
I'm kind of suprised there's not more talk about this.
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Born and raised in Cali - half my life in LA, half my life in the Bay Area. We definitely have a different perspective out here. As my friends who live on the other side of the country routinely tell me:
It's hard for east-coasters to understand how you could drive for 13 straight hours and still be in the same state.
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Jeph seems out of practice with Dora's face ( especially in the last panel). He has said in the past (more than once, I think) that he's always found her the hardest to get right for some reason.
To me the mouth looks too big, and the red lipstick draws attention to it. The directly facing forward view has never been Jephs strong point.
My first thought seeing this one was that Jeph is trying to remove Dora from the comic. Though she's already been kind of... away from the center stage for a while. Now it looks like it could be more official.
I'm kind of suprised there's not more talk about this.
I wouldn't mind seeing her in some more comics that aren't directly focused on her problems/moving on
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I agree that staight on is a little odd, but i really like the texture that he's added to Dora's top, sometimes it can look like everyone is wearing clothes made from exactly the same fabric
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You want perspective about distances, come to Australia. Down here if a journey takes less than two hours it's considered to be a short trip.
Out beyond the Black Stump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stump) maybe, but in the city, not so much. My current commute is 6.5km (just over 4 miles) and takes me an average of around 20 minutes on my bicycle. My longest cycle commute was 20km which took me just over one hour, and that was more than enough, especially in wet or hot weather. And yes, I know my averages are not that fast. Sydney has lots of hills; that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Dora does look a little odd in the last panel, but frankly all the girls have mouths like subway tunnels in that one...
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It's about 10km direct by car or bike to work - it being a Canadian winter, I bus it so the 10 minute (if everything works your way) drive or 30 minute cycle takes about 30 minutes.
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I thought Jeph did Dora really well in the last comic, except, admittedly, in the last panel.
Honestly, his problem with her is pretty simple. I don't know why, but he can't seem to figure out how to locate her features in her face, and also that she has a narrow face, not a round or square one. He seems to do better with broad-faced female characters (like Faye and Marigold). Dora's face, especially when drawn full-on, needs to TAPER from just below her eyes to her chin. A girl will look swollen and unattractive if her lower face is rounder than her upper face, which is kinda what keeps happening with Dora. Also, people with longer, narrower faces don't look good with a mouth too close to the chin. Dora looks good in all the other panels because her face is tapered properly and her mouth is slightly higher up. Jeph also for some reason makes Dora's nose really bulbous in profile when in fact it's sharp and pointy.
To sum up: when drawing her face-on, she needs a narrower face, a narrower nose, and her features better balanced in said face. See?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/Katranna/Drawings/Dora.png)
It doesn't look quite right still because I feel the mouth remains somehow off, but it's better. (Whoever said her mouth is drawn too big is right, I feel--again, it would work on a character with a wider face, but not with Dora.) I've done this on another picture of Dora before.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v12/Katranna/Drawings/DoraBora.jpg)
(here I just narrowed down the face and did nothing else.)
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Back in black (hair), bloody red lipstick.
There's something going on in there, under the hair - I wonder what...
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I think we're missing the point on the '20 minutes away' issue.
The friends are worried about their social interaction. Right now everybody are an easy walk from each other (some in the same building).
Dora will be an effort to visit outside of work. Then the DUI problems....
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A little bit of speculation:
In doing some Google Maps searches, I've come to the conclusion that CoD - if it existed in "The Real World" - would probably be located on or around 30 Pleasant Street in NoHo. (There is a bakery at the intersection of Pleasant and Armory, which wouldn't be too much of a stretch.) The main reason for this is where Panda House was located back in the earlier days of the strip. (Panda House closed its NoHo location a while back.)
So - assume she takes an apartment in Amherst, somewhere downtown (Main Street). Probably about a 17-19 minute drive.
EDIT: Oh. I think I see a problem with this - she'd have to drive right through the Amherst College campus every day. Tack on an extra two minutes for that. And the Amtrak line is right down the street. Eeeech.
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On second looks, her whole head is too big for her body in the last panel AND all her facial features are too big for her head.
Kind of ironic on a comic about a fucked up sense of scale.
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I think we're missing the point on the '20 minutes away' issue.
The friends are worried about their social interaction. Right now everybody are an easy walk from each other (some in the same building).
No. Penny and Hanners are just lazy. Thats the joke.
Seriously, twenty minutes is nothing. When I was in college, I lived close to 40 miles away, which is about an hour by bus, one way. I've lost count the number of times people didn't come into class because they didn't want to walk the 5 minutes to college. (And being hungover didn't count.)
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I believe there's some anthropological theories that cities in ancient days were rarely larger in diameter than a person could walk in an hour or half-hour's time. So for many, half an hour is the limit of most people's "okay to go there" time frame.
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A little bit of speculation:
In doing some Google Maps searches, I've come to the conclusion that CoD - if it existed in "The Real World" - would probably be located on or around 30 Pleasant Street in NoHo. (There is a bakery at the intersection of Pleasant and Armory, which wouldn't be too much of a stretch.) The main reason for this is where Panda House was located back in the earlier days of the strip. (Panda House closed its NoHo location a while back.)
So - assume she takes an apartment in Amherst, somewhere downtown (Main Street). Probably about a 17-19 minute drive.
EDIT: Oh. I think I see a problem with this - she'd have to drive right through the Amherst College campus every day. Tack on an extra two minutes for that. And the Amtrak line is right down the street. Eeeech.
Those "problems" wouldn't be that big a deal; the train line is practically deserted for commuter purposes, and although there are a couple trains a day, there's a bridge over the main road, and she'd be skirting the north edge of the Amherst campus. UMass traffic would be the bigger problem.
Of course, she's probably not looking at anything anywhere near that region, and probably wouldn't be parking right in the street for eight or ten hours - the garage behind Thorne's would probably be her best bet.
And I'd have to go check, but I'm pretty sure the "SCORN" scene puts COD on a street right in the middle of a real-world city block. So, there's that.
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Jeph does play fast and loose with some of the background shots of NoHo. :-D
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I was thinking is this took place here in BC. The shop might be in New Westminster and they would be complaining that she found a place in Surrey. Surrey here also goes by "Slurry" "Sorry" and "Slurvy".
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What, no "Scurvy"?
And I think jwhouk got it the first time - the easy familiarity they all have comes from extreme physical closeness to each other. The ability to run into each other on the street, or just drop by anannounced - it all goes out the window if you have to get into a car or bus to get over to the other person's place. Sure, she'll be at CoD every day for work, and probably still run errands and shop in the neighborhood before/after/during work, but then at some point she'll have to pack it in and go home. No more Hanners popping in for a martini and crashing on the couch, no bumping into Penny at the pizza place late at night, or spotting Steve and Ellen Cosette arguing on a streetcorner in the wee hours as she weaves her way home from an evening of drinking at the horrible revelation. For people who are neighborhood people, this is a major lifestyle change!
I've lived in college towns, small cities and major cities with dense local neighborhoods before, and you really do get used to everything (and everyone) being right there. All my moves were big pull-up-stakes-and-relocate moves of hundreds of miles, so I've never known the grief of "20 minutes away from your stomping grounds", but I know from others that it's real.
Silly, but real.
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I've lived in college towns, small cities and major cities with dense local neighborhoods before, and you really do get used to everything (and everyone) being right there. All my moves were big pull-up-stakes-and-relocate moves of hundreds of miles, so I've never known the grief of "20 minutes away from your stomping grounds", but I know from others that it's real.
Silly, but real.
I wouldn't say it's silly to form close ties to the people in your neighborhood. That's what small towns (even "big" small towns like NoHo) are supposed to be about - eventually everyone becomes like extended family. Also, Penelope's betraying herself just a little bit by expressing fondness for Dora in not wanting her to movie so "far away." Kind of sweet, really.
I would say this is a sign Jeph's planning to put Dora on a bus, but I really don't see that happening since she owns the friggin shop. I think she's here to stay (watch, tomorrow she won't just get put on a bus, she'll get hit by a bus).
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I think she's here to stay (watch, tomorrow she won't just get put on a bus, she'll get hit by a bus).
But you've just cancelled the bus attack by saying it. But she also can't stay, but she can't go, but she can't stay... Nurr, nurr, nurr <head explodes>
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There's also the option for her to make new friends whom we also get to see - but Jeph could well decide that's too much dilution of the focus of the comic.
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The problem with the whole "20 minutes?!?!" thing is ya'll don't understand how incredibly infuriating a drive on Route 9 is. People are either dumb as hell, slow as hell, or both. There's always a traffic jam. And enough people detour to Bay Road that even that gets slow at times. People (non-college people) in Northampton don't go to Amherst regularly, and vice versa - mainly because there's enough in both towns to keep everyone happy in their own town. And anything you can't get in your own town you can get at the malls in Hadley. I could see how they'd be worried that Dora would find more local friends in her new town.
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I talk more when I'm by myself than I ever do when I'm with other people.
It's usually the only way I can finish a sentence.
I feel you on that one.
I talk to myself while I'm browsing at department stores and grocery stores. I'll pick up something I like and mutter to myself "ooh this is cool." I know it's creepy and weird but I can't stop doing it.
Regarding the whole "20 minutes OMG" thing, I grew up in a small town in Oklahoma, so I'm used to going AT LEAST 20 minutes to get to anything of interest. So to me, 20 minutes is no great hardship. 45 minutes is okay but not ideal, an hour if I absolutely have to, but two hours? That's too fuckin' far.
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I live in Rhode Island. I was once asked by a girl from California "Is it true you can drive across the state in less than a day?"
I've never laughed so hard in my entire life.
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I live in Rhode Island. I was once asked by a girl from California "Is it true you can drive across the state in less than a day?"
I've never laughed so hard in my entire life.
To those of us in the western half of the US, most New England states seem insanely small. Heck, my county is half again as big as Rhode Island. When it was founded, it was twice the area of all of New England combined.
I live in Oregon. By west coast standards, it's moderate-sized at best. But a cross state trip, by the most expedient route, with no delays and no stops, going 5mph over the entire way, is still over 8 hours.
My wife drives four hours each way every few weeks to her parents' house. We live on the same side of the state.
So yes, we are often surprised by how small many states are.
And on the note of geographical disbelief, I've personally spoken to Easties who are genuinely surprised to find that it's no longer the "wild west". We have indoor plumbing. We don't fight "Injuns". :roll:
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Yeah, some people out East still think that Oklahomans all drive wagons across the lone prairie and the whole state is covered in teepees.
That's when I say, "No, no-- you're thinking of Kansas."
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Yeah, some people out East still think that Oklahomans all drive wagons across the lone prairie and the whole state is covered in teepees.
That's when I say, "No, no-- you're thinking of Kansas."
I've been through Kansas. Through, not to. Because there is no where to stop in that state.
Seriously though, I drove across the entire country in a mini-van several years ago. It really put just how small New England is into perspective.
On that trip, I was asked where Rhode Island was, and if it was really an island. *sigh* Now I'll have to eat some quahogs and drink coffee milk to cheer myself up.
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Well excuuuuuuse me princess. It's not every day I drive three hours to go hang around in Small Town USA. I didn't think that entire stretch would be as backwoods and desolate as Heath. (Actually come to think of it a lot of it looks like 123 through Norton, or 1A around the prison.) Some parts actually are multi-lane, and have steel barrier between the lanes of travel.
Next time I'll remember to check Google Maps first to make sure remote parts of a main road I regularly drive on match the parts I'm familiar with.
...How the frak does an 8.7 mile journey take 20 minutes???
The mostly tiny two lane non-divided state highway probably has a 40 MPH speed limit and lots of intersections.
It's technically a state highway part of the way, but no one driving it would call it that. Coming from downtown Amherst, it's a normal town street until you hit Hadley, then a strip mall-ish kind of place a bit less than half the way, then a typical exurban road until you get into town. Numbered route != highway.
Things seem further apart when there are actually people there, especially when there have been people there more than about three weeks.
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So a Texas rancher is visiting a distant relation, a farmer, in Vermont. Texas asks Vermont, how big is your farm? Vermont thinks a minute, says ... "Well, it goes over to that stone wall over there and up against that stand of trees over there."
Texas smirks and says, "Why, on my ranch in Texas, I can start my pickup at one end of the ranch, floor the gas pedal and, at the end of the day, still not have reached the other end of my land."
Vermont clucks in sympathy and says "Rough, ayuh! I had a truck like that once, myself."
... No, I didn't make that up. I believe I saw it in Isaac Asimov's first joke book, and I don't know where he got it.
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I think she's here to stay (watch, tomorrow she won't just get put on a bus, she'll get hit by a bus).
But you've just cancelled the bus attack by saying it. But she also can't stay, but she can't go, but she can't stay... Nurr, nurr, nurr <head explodes>
(Na-na-na NAHRM nah nah) "Girl you got to let me know... Should I stay or should I go..."
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I've lived in Toronto my whole life and I've never owned a car, always having taken transit or riding my bike. I'm used to journeys of an hour or more, so it's always bugged me when people aren't willing to take and/or complain about a 20 minute journey.
The best part is my friends at the other end of town who own a car and who take it for granted that I'm willing to make the 2-hour transit ride every time I visit them, but complain about how long the 30 minute drive is it takes them to visit me.
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The best part is my friends at the other end of town who own a car and who take it for granted that I'm willing to make the 2-hour transit ride every time I visit them, but complain about how long the 30 minute drive is it takes them to visit me.
...and there you have it, in a nutshell. Unenlightened self interest. People expecting their friends to stop by and visit, no matter the inconvenience, who wouldn't go out of their way to do so themselves.
Laziness (and/or lameness) knows no bounds!
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"Anti-achievers" is the term Dora used.
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"You tiny state people have a really fucked up sense of scale."
Uh, yep. 20 minutes is nothing. Hell, I think nothing of driving 4 or 5 hours to get to the mountains. That's what happens when you live in Canada, I guess, where we have just a few people spread over a huuuuge amount of space.
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"It's twenty minutes away." Oh god that's *runs the numbers* like 5 hours in West Coast measurements. That's San Francisco to Fresno.
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Been lurking for a while and finally gave in to signing up to post. :laugh:
I don't think this is Dora being put on a bus. I did think it was going that way until the last panel so to me it seems more like Jeph having fun with what people expected to happen and confirming she's going to stick around. She has been appearing less since the break-up and unless more concentration is put on her therapy or something, I see her appearances remaining a similar amount for a while. Unless at least Faye and/or Hanners gets a new job I think we'll still be seeing Dora once in a while too.
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All you big-state Westerners who think it's crazy to be able to drive across a state in less than a day, etc etc... should look at a map of Europe sometime. :-p I have a bunch of friends in England, France, Germany and Spain, and I was always surprised at how often they seemed to pop over to each other's countries for a visit. Then I realized that each of those countries is about the size of a large state. (France is largest and is still smaller than Texas.)
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Ah, the hyperbole of Penelope. It's ridiculous for her to assume that they'd never see Dora if she's 20 minutes away, but as others here have pointed out, the incidental/unplanned encounters will drop off considerably. This may actually be what Dora needs -- to get out of the Northhampton fishbowl and start running into some people she hasn't been seeing every single day of her life. Even if she doesn't move to Amherst, looking for apartments there could remind her of the obvious fact that the world is much bigger than one town. Perspective = yay!
Plus, think of the art possibilities if she does move -- in addition to a new apartment background for her, we could get to see various cast members in cars/on bikes/riding the flying Roombas. It could be fun!
Alternately, Tai could pull some strings to help Dora get near-campus housing . . .
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...or on campus housng. It's de rigueur that there are usually at least a few non-students
shacking up living in the dorms!
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I was thinking is this took place here in BC. The shop might be in New Westminster and they would be complaining that she found a place in Surrey. Surrey here also goes by "Slurry" "Sorry" and "Slurvy".
Hey, another Lower-Mainlander! :D I'm actually often surprised at how lazy my friends are in Vancouver when I moved to New Westminster... I still don't get it. If it takes longer than an hour to walk someplace then maybe I'll use a vehicle, but I feel like I'm the only one going anywhere... >.<
... but if they were complaining about Surrey, they'd have more reasons than geography! *hides*
And on the note of geographical disbelief, I've personally spoken to Easties who are genuinely surprised to find that it's no longer the "wild west". We have indoor plumbing. We don't fight "Injuns". :roll:
To be fair, of the American friends I have, both East and Westerners have a few among them who honestly believe that most of us live in igloos just an hour north of the border (in BC, of all places), that the "great Canadian seal hunt" takes place on Vancouver Island, and at least two of them thought that the temperature really DOES drop that much once you're in Canada and THAT's how the Americans decided to do up the borders. True story.
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I've had people think that I live in Canada. I point out that no, I live in the part of the state that isn't north of most of the population of Canada.
At least, not yet. :? :|
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All you big-state Westerners who think it's crazy to be able to drive across a state in less than a day, etc etc... should look at a map of Europe sometime.
I've been a city-girl all my life, and it's amazing how "village-y" city people can be. I was born in Shanghai, which has a population roughly equal to the whole of Australia. I'd never left the city before I came to Sydney, and indeed hardly travelled outside my local neighbourhood. In a big city, everything is right there! Now I live in what passes for a big city in Australia, and it's much the same, with most Sydneysiders staying within surprisingly small territories. I have friends in Newtown who regard me as having made a long journey to see them (it's about 15km). OK, that's partly because people who live in he Inner West regard anywhere on the Lower North Shore as hopelessly unhip and suburban, but mostly it's just the city mindset.
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OMG, get a grip you two.
If I get the distance relation right, for me it would like having a friend in Wellington City Central while I live in Lower Hutt (which I do). Admittedly, it's a journey, but it's not as if she'll be moving to - my FOR - Paraparaumu!
And I don't have wheels anymore. :(
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I live in Rhode Island. I was once asked by a girl from California "Is it true you can drive across the state in less than a day?"
I've never laughed so hard in my entire life.
That reminds me of a time I was on Oahu with a group of people and it took us a good two hours just to get from Tripler Hospital to Downtown Honolulu. Of course, we had to stupidly take the H-1.....
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Well, Honolulu has the worst traffic issues of any of the 50 states, California included. That's because they're all trying to go the same place at the same time, of course.
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I live in Oregon.
O hai. :-D Portlander here.
Only East Coast place I've been is Florida, but you people really do have tiny states. I've been to Hawaii, and that was pretty nuts... Didn't take long to get from one part of the island to the other.
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Jersey here. North Jersey (a distinction only important to people from Jersey). The way I see it, 20-30 minutes to see a friend is acceptable, but it's considered a journey. Six Flags is 75 miles away (about an hour and a half in light traffic, I guess), but I've only gone there a few times in my life. I only make the hour (or so) drive to the beach once or twice a summer because, well, dude, that's really far.
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The way I see it, 20-30 minutes to see a friend is acceptable, but it's considered a journey. Six Flags is 75 miles away (about an hour and a half in light traffic, I guess), but I've only gone there a few times in my life. I only make the hour (or so) drive to the beach once or twice a summer because, well, dude, that's really far.
I've got cousins in Cardiff, whom I see a couple of times a year. When I was younger going there involved a two hour car drive to the ferry port, three and a half hours on said ferry, waiting in the port on the other side for an hour for the train to arrive, with a further two hours on the train. All told, that was a 10 hour journey that began at 6am. I've done that journey to see rugby matches, going over the Friday, coming back the Sunday. (Before anyone says anything about flying over, this was before budget airlines and when flights were generally incredibly expensive, more so for two adults and two children). That was a distance of about 200 miles.
People, complain when its actually worth complaining about, like having to stay overnight at work because bad weather makes the journey longer, not when its "A 40 minute journey is so far out of my way." :roll:
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I live in Texas. Where public transportation is a myth, the roads are made 90% pothole/10% broken car parts, and I have to drive 30 minutes just to go to school or buy food.
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Where do YOU talk to yourself?
In bed, just before I fall asleep. - 4 (4.9%)
Just after I get up in the morning. - 1 (1.2%)
On my way to/from work in the car. - 12 (14.6%)
In the bathroom. - 1 (1.2%)
At work. - 3 (3.7%)
All the time! - 43 (52.4%)
What are you, crazy? - 3 (3.7%)
I don't talk to myself, and neither does my imaginary friend. - 12 (14.6%)
I only talk to myself after I down a few pints of whisky. - 3 (3.7%)
Total Voters: 82
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I live in Oregon.
O hai. :-D Portlander here.
No, you are not.
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Pornographic xkcd tonight.
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...wait a minute, yes, she is...
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Uh oh. The thrilling story of how the last tenant lost their security deposit.
*pulls up chair* THIS I GOTTA HEAR.
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All I can think of is, no way that particular requirement flies in Mass. That landlady's gonna get her lunch eaten by some Wiccan's lawyer.
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The realtor's question does raise an interesting point: Dora did admit she was in a coven (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=102) once (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1716), but is she religious in some way now?
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Is it religious discrimination if you have a no-sorcery policy? If you don't refuse to rent to tenants, but have a uniform policy about use of the kitchen?
I tried to gather everything known about Dora's religion on the wiki. Probably raised Catholic, current status unknown.
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This strip is definitely going to be a Noodles Incident strip, and we'll never find out what actually happened.
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I'm sure it has more to do with the fact that the carpet needed replacing and the walls needed painting...
Those scorch marks and bloodstains are really hard to get out!
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I don't know what all of you Americans are complaining about, I live in Wales. For me the longest drive that I can do in one direction* is 2.5 hrs then i'll either be in the sea or in England, and I live less than 30 mins from the coast. as to visiting friends, do Americans not use the train? i have friends in my old uni town (3 hrs), I take the train, get hammered, then take the train back (or stay over) it's max 10 mins walk at either end.
as for today: I don't think it can be religious discrimination, merely an instruction to avoid practicing in the apartment, i.e. gospel singing or ritual chicken slaughter.
* I'm deliberately not saying straight line, almost every road in this country is ancient and winds around the hills like a pissed snake.
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Living in a relatively (for my area as in 180k people) big city in the netherlands, moving from one side to the other and adding a 30 min travel time by public transport to my journey to meet them or go to the movies does kinda diminish contact from several times a week to 3 times a month or so
i mean its not TO far, but it certainly does have an impact that i cant just pop over after dinner and expect to get home in a timely manner without feeling like ive been there to briefly
so i can see why penpen and hanners think its a big deal, it does impact the relationship somewhat
and now to more recent events, i cant wait to see this kitchen after hearing what they've done to the carpet and walls
and no, its not religious discrimination if they cant turn the apartment into a shrine...thats just common sense
go turn some clearing in the woods into a satanic circle if you must, but leave the walls alone
that kinda deal
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DeadlyWonky, no, we really don't take the train unless we're extremely lucky. Even when the train is part of our voyage, we generally have to drive a fair way to the home station and arrange a pickup at the destination station.
The coverage of our train network is extremely spotty. Partly that's because we're so car crazy, partly it's because awful bureaucracy stymies train development, but partly it's just because the country is so gosh-dang big and relatively empty. You'd have to run a truly ungodly amount of track to really tie all of us together so that we could take the train everywhere. Too many miles of track per potential customer to be commercially viable, or even a particularly defensible use of public funding, in any but our most heavily populated areas.
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Pornographic xkcd tonight.
I don't think that passes for pornography anywhere. However, there is a distinct possibility that Randall Munroe has, accidentally, clicked a link leading to Oglaf. Then again, the oil spill didn't start running around.
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There's a difference between religious discrminination and simply barring specific religious practices. Lots of modern mainstream religions once endorsed sacrificing animals on high holy days in times long past, until that fell out of practice. You wouldn't be allowd to kill a goat in your apartment simply by claiming you're an old-school follower of your faith. Hell, if you get a job on weekends, you can't demand paid Sundays off because it's the Sabbath. Whatever your faith is, no law in Western society allows you to damage people or property in the practice of it. Take that as positive or negative as you will.
That's one hell of an apartment, though. Upstairs and downstairs areas, spacious living room, apparently decent-sized kitchen... either Dora's actually renting a house and not an apartment, or it's a big damn apartment. Perhaps she's actually financially better off than last time she was stressing about her income at CoD?
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I live in Oregon.
O hai. :-D Portlander here.
No, you are not.
Pardon?
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I'm sure it has more to do with the fact that the carpet needed replacing and the walls needed painting...
Those scorch marks and bloodstains are really hard to get out!
That, or it ws one HELL of a D&D party/LARP.
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There's a difference between religious discrminination and simply barring specific religious practices. Lots of modern mainstream religions once endorsed sacrificing animals on high holy days in times long past, until that fell out of practice. You wouldn't be allowd to kill a goat in your apartment simply by claiming you're an old-school follower of your faith. Hell, if you get a job on weekends, you can't demand paid Sundays off because it's the Sabbath. Whatever your faith is, no law in Western society allows you to damage people or property in the practice of it. Take that as positive or negative as you will.
That's one hell of an apartment, though. Upstairs and downstairs areas, spacious living room, apparently decent-sized kitchen... either Dora's actually renting a house and not an apartment, or it's a big damn apartment. Perhaps she's actually financially better off than last time she was stressing about her income at CoD?
You're right, but the way the lady asked was discriminatory. She asked "...you're not...?" not "...you don't...?"
If I were Jewish, I could might accept a job knowing full well that I would be required to work on Saturday, and fully willing to do so, but it would be illegal for an employer to not hire me simply for because I was Jewish expecting that I would not be able to work on the Sabbath.
In the US, it is in fact illegal for a prospective landlord to even ask what she asked, a violation of the Federal Fair Housing Act of 1968, which prohibits discrimination concerning the sale, rental, and financing of housing based on race, religion, national origin, and as of 1974, gender. WHile it is debateble whether the practice of sorcery itself is a religion, not renting to someone because they are a Wiccan is a big no-no, and even asking such a casual question opens up a huge legal can of worms.
Unfortunately, it is still perfectly legal to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientaion in many areas of the U.S. (although not in Massachusetts.)
Housing discrimination in the U.S. has a long and dark history, I'm afraid.
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I blame Harry Dresden. That boy goes through apartments like Hanalore goes through Lysol.
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as to visiting friends, do Americans not use the train?
Hahah, nope, we don't. Our country sucks that way. Most public transport is extremely inefficient and expensive. (It can even cost less to fly than to take the train for some destinations... and of course, it will be quicker.) For shorter distances, you can drive, or you can take sketchy slow buses that smell weird. A handful of cities have decent metros. But I live in Philadelphia, and though it has a subway system I almost never use it because it takes an hour to get from where I live to most places I want to go... which takes 15 mins by car. (Nevermind that it's never above 3.5 miles' distance, but city driving is city driving.)
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She didn't say she wouldn't rent to a Wiccan. For all we know, if Dora had said "Yes", she'd have followed on with "In that case, I should warn you that sorcery is banned."
Look up the word 'litigious' and say that again.
I'm not saying that she would automatically lose a lawsuit, but she would spend more defending such a question if the matter ever came to court that it's better to avoid it altogether.
I renter's religion is not the landlords concern, and as long as they neither disturb the neighbors nor damage the property, a renter can do with the residence as she will.
And that especially includes practicing one's religion.
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do Americans not use the train?
As a Brit who has visited quite a lot of America, I'll give this a try...
It depends which bit of America. Boston, New York and Washington (and therefore to a lesser extent places like Philadelphia, Baltimore, bits of Connecticut) are connected by nice, relatively quick trains that are comparatively affordable if you book ahead. Chicago's alright because most of the Amtrak network seems to point towards it. But outside the major metro areas, mass transit makes very little sense. I visited some friends in Texas; Dallas' attempt at light rail is laughable, but when you realise that people commute to Dallas from around 75 miles in every direction, spread out in tiny towns, it makes very little sense to try and connect them all.
By the time the price of oil tips the economic scales in favour of something other than private car ownership, it wil be too late to implement a meaningful mass transit in most of America. This, in the end, is what will make GM pull their head out the sand and get on with inventing a practical hydrogen fuel cell car. I hope...
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If I were Jewish, I could might accept a job knowing full well that I would be required to work on Saturday, and fully willing to do so, but it would be illegal for an employer to not hire me simply for because I was Jewish expecting that I would not be able to work on the Sabbath.
Yes, but there's a fine line here. If, for example, you went to the interview to apply for a weekend job, and then informed the interviewer that you would not be working Saturdays because it was the Sabbath, you wouldn't get the job. While it's true that this would be because of your religious beliefs, the employer could argue - quite reasonably and, so far as I know, legally - that religion does not enter into it. He's simply offering you a financial arrangement that carries certain obligations, and you're unwilling or unable to meet those obligations. Therefore, he excercises his legal right to withdraw the offer.
The same applies to Dora here. The landlord may or may not care what her religious beliefs are, and s/he has no right at all to enquire after such. The landlord does, however, have full legal right to expect that the apartment would not suffer structural damage at the hands of a tenant, whatever the excuse behind it may be. The Real Estate Agent that Dora is talking to is being extremely indelicate here, and possibly being more than a little offensive when lumping all "witches" and "wizards" into the "burns shit down" category, but that's it. One middle-aged lady is guilty of vague bigotry, but no discrimination laws have been violated.
How do you know it's got a spacious living room? It hasn't been shown, and all that was said about it was "east-facing".
Oh, come on... she's a Real Estate Agent. The living room is always spacious. Even if it's literally a closet with a TV inside. At worst it's "cozy", but judging by what we already know about the place, I'm thinking my call has good backing behind it. ;)
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The Real Estate Agent that Dora is talking to is being extremely indelicate here, and possibly being more than a little offensive when lumping all "witches" and "wizards" into the "burns shit down" category, but that's it. One middle-aged lady is guilty of vague bigotry, but no discrimination laws have been violated.
And if she asked a halfway decent real estate attorney to defend her in court with that logic, he'd get a nosebleed.
If she had a good attorney he'd be excited because he knows how much her bill would be, even if she won.
Employers and service providers with any experience know to stay far away from issues like that when dealing with potential employees or clients.
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... lumping all "witches" and "wizards" into the "burns shit down" category ...
Does that mean that Faye's a witch too? :-D
BTW has it been clarified that this property is the one that was located 1 arctic trek away from COD?
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And if she asked a halfway decent real estate attorney to defend her in court with that logic, he'd get a nosebleed.
If she had a good attorney he'd be excited because he knows how much her bill would be, even if she won.
Employers and service providers with any experience know to stay far away from issues like that when dealing with potential employees or clients.
I... dunno. So far the Real Estate lady simply asked if Dora was a witch or a wizard, and when prompted why that question had been asked, she responded that the previous tenant caused sorcery-related trouble. That's actually a pretty reasonable explanation. If we're splitting hairs in a court of law, all she's done that might be offensive is use a generic term that may describe a range of people with hobbies and/or religious beliefs pertaining to the supernatural. Sure, a good lawyer could spin that into something bigger... but then a halfway decent defense lawyer could shoot it down just as easily.
I'm not saying the Real Estate lady isn't an idiot, here. Foot-In-Mouth Syndrome is in full effect. I'm just also saying that she's not exactly waving a White Power banner and trying to burn Dora at the stake, either. Being an idiot is not a lawsuit-worthy offence.
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So far the Real Estate lady simply asked if Dora was a witch or a wizard
An illegal question.
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Is asking if you are an unicorn also illegal? Cause last time I checked, witches and wizards were not real outside of Harry Potter books. Oh America, you so crazy.
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An illegal question.
Pretty much.
She's not allowed to ask about religion in this instance, it's barred by federal law. The reason behind the question is irrelevant, simply by asking she's discriminating.
There's even an federal executive department in charge of enforcing housing discrimination.
Like I said in a previous post, housing discrimination in the U. S. has a long and dark history. State, local, and federal law enforcement takes it very seriously, as well as advocacy group[s like the NAACP, SPLC and ACLU, not to mention independent civil lawyers out to make a quick settlement.
A Real Estate Agent should know better.
Is asking if you are an unicorn also illegal? Cause last time I checked, witches and wizards were not real outside of Harry Potter books. Oh America, you so crazy.
Unicorns aren't protected by the Fair Housing Act. Wiccans and women ("witch" could also be taken as a sexist comment :wink:) are.
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Man. Either I'm ignorant of similar Australian laws, or else US laws are bizarrely harsh. You can be outright sued for asking what is in context a perfectly reasonable (if poorly-phrased) question? That's... several kinds of insane. Yes, discrimination is bad and all, but that's just unbelievable. Hell, the lady never even hinted at a religious significance: I'm quite sure there are folks out there who do not subscribe to any recognised faith but feel they are capable of using magic. In that case "witch / wizard" is a not only the literally correct term, it's also the most widely-recognised and descriptive term for an individual who would ruin a kitchen performing sorcery at home. Hell, if anything, it's a much more PC than the one I'd personally use: "Kitchen-destroying lunatic".
What you're saying is that I can ask someone a perfectly straightforward question, using terms that are applicable and perfectly correct in context, without making any reference whatsoever to religion or faith, with no implication whatsoever against the person I'm speaking to, and that I am actually required to ask given the very specific circumstances I'm in with a client (the landlord made the "No Destructive Sorcery In The Apartment" rule, the Agent must simply explain that)... and in spite of all of that, by virtue of having spoken those words, I can instantly and easily be sued.
That is fucking terrifying. And terrifyingly idiotic.
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The working rule in the US is: Anybody can sue anyone else for anything. It's not so much a question of who's right under the law, it's who can better afford to keep the lawsuit going. You'll see plenty of cases on American dockets where a defendant agrees to settle because it's cheaper and/or more convenient than fighting the case -- and it doesn't matter whether the defendant is wrong or right. Do a search on the term "SLAPP Lawsuit" for a particularly egregious example of what I'm talking about.
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Keep in mind that this is the QC verse we're talking about. It's possible the FHA doesn't cover empirical sorcerers...
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Well. In many parts of the world political correctness trumps common sense.
I have no exposure to US housing laws, but I will testify that my landlord during my 1st year in grad school had a strict "no gays" house rule. May be you are allowed some leeway, if you sublet your basement? I dunno. If the rented housing consists of 3 beds, a bathroom, a TV room and a kitchenette, then you need some rules. Mind you, another rule was "no late night female guests."
Edit: Oops. A possibly essential part of my personal history missing. The said grad school was at Notre Dame, Indiana. I shared that basement with two other guys. I got what I expected to get for $26 /week.
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Those seem like conflicting rules.
Also, banning sorcery is reasonable, as everyone knows magic disrupts electricity, and that is not fair to the other tenants.
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There seems to be some gross lack of knowledge about laws in America in this here thread. :psyduck:
While you occasionally get a judge who gets all activist and legislates from the bench, wanting to prove a point, they are a hilariously trivial minority of cases. Easily smaller than 1% of 1% of 1% of all cases.
TL;DR: You would have a very hard time finding any lawyer who would be willing to touch such a lawsuit with a ten foot pole, because of one simple concept. There were no damages. Except for that 1% of 1% of 1% of all cases, if there is not damages, there is no case. And "you made me feel bad because you said vaguely bigoted words in my direction" does not count as damages, because there is no cash value that can be placed on that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damages
People seem to get the impression that you can sue for absolutely anything in America. And while you can, that doesn't mean you have any chance of having any result of your lawsuit other than being laughed out of lawyer offices repeatedly before representing yourself and being laughed out of the courtroom by the judge. The reason people have this impression that you can sue for anything is because of high profile cases such as the McDonalds Hot Coffee lawsuit. Which, actually had very serious damages, third degree burns, large skin grafts. Severe enough that she ultimately died from complications relating to it. That case was mocked and made fun of in the news, but it was a very real and very serious injury, with very real damages.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants
When things aren't sensationalized and took out of context, you'll quickly realize that damages make the legal world go round in America (that, and a few other concepts, but this post doesn't need to be any longer than it already is).
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Housing Discrimination against LGBT individuals/families is only banned in 17 states.
I doubt Indiana is one of them.
What the Real Estate agent said was probably not discrimination, (certainly not explicitly) but it's within the margin of litigation. And in the U. S., unless the lawsuit is a blatant abuse of the legal system, a defendant's legal costs are on them, win or lose, so it's best to CYA in situations like this.
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Pornographic xkcd tonight.
I don't think that passes for pornography anywhere. However, there is a distinct possibility that Randall Munroe has, accidentally, clicked a link leading to Oglaf. Then again, the oil spill didn't start running around.
All I can say, is that you clearly are not an oil lamp.
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You would have a very hard time finding any lawyer who would be willing to touch such a lawsuit with a ten foot pole, because of one simple concept. There were no damages. Except for that 1% of 1% of 1% of all cases, if there is not damages, there is no case. And "you made me feel bad because you said vaguely bigoted words towards me" does not count as damages, because there is no cash value that can be placed on that.
Exactly this.
The only things I know about the Australian Legal System are what I remember from high school Legal Studies and a few books I read at University because I was interested. But even that just makes this seem strange to me. While US and Australian laws may differ in semantics, the generalities seem similar enough.
If, in this scenario, Dora sued the Realtor for discrimination, it'd be a Civil suit and not a Criminal one. Which means that as plaintiff, Dora would have the burden of proof placed upon her, and that takes two parts: One, she must prove that the law applies in this situation, and two, she must prove that the law was broken to the extent she suffered damages.
The law that would apply would be religious discrimination, in that the Real Estate Agent intruded on Dora's privacy and/or showed discrimination against Dora for her beliefs. That hinges on the use of the words "witch" and "wizard". But that implies that those words can reasonably be viewed as offensive - and what other words would you use for a person who destroyed a kitchen attempting to cast a spell? The limitations of the English language cannot be held up as evidence in a court of law. Since there was no mention of religion, then we only have context to go on, and in context there's no application of any laws of discrimination.
As to whether the law was broken even if it applies... well, beyond the fact that Dora said she was not a Witch and thus has incurred no damages, the law remains unbroken in the first place. The Landlord is not refusing to rent the apartment to someone who identifies as a Witch or a Wizard. S/he is simply highlighting a specific example of where destruction and damage to the apartment has caused a problem in the past, and is now frowned upon. Following your faith is legal; inflicting damages upon another party through destructive celebration of your faith is absolutely not. And informing someone that you don't want them to break the law and damage your property is not a crime.
All that's happened here is a simple statement of "If you are a Witch, don't cast spells that will destroy the apartment." No part of that statement is in violation of any law I've ever heard of.
The duty of care was not formed or breached, no law applies or has been broken, no malicious or accidental damage has been inflicted or occured. Aside from the Agent making a minor gaffe which some incredibly sensitive people might overreact to, nothing here has happened.
Basically Karilyn said it best: No lawyer would go anywhere near this case unless they intended to either lie, or simply walk into the courtroom and lose, knowing they'd get paid by Dora anyway. In which case, Dora's the only idiot here, and she's only hurting herself.
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Dora, wouldn't because she's not being discriminated against here. (Because she's not a Wiccan.)
But if someone else is, and then she doesn't rent them the place, there could be trouble, and even defending a frivolous lawsuit that gets tossed at summary judgment would cost more (probably much more) than the few thousand in repairs from sorcery gone awry.
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You would have a very hard time finding any lawyer who would be willing to touch such a lawsuit with a ten foot pole, because of one simple concept. There were no damages. Except for that 1% of 1% of 1% of all cases, if there is not damages, there is no case. And "you made me feel bad because you said vaguely bigoted words towards me" does not count as damages, because there is no cash value that can be placed on that.
The only things I know about the Australian Legal System are what I remember from high school Legal Studies and a few books I read at University because I was interested. But even that just makes this seem strange to me. While US and Australian laws may differ in semantics, the generalities seem similar enough.
Basically Karilyn said it best: No lawyer would go anywhere near this case unless they intended to either lie, or simply walk into the courtroom and lose, knowing they'd get paid by Dora anyway. In which case, Dora's the only idiot here, and she's only hurting herself.
Yeah. Don't let things seem strange to you. It's no secret that most people online don't understand law on even the most basic level. I may only have second hand knowledge, but I tend to listen to Bill Handel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Handel) a lot. And I have become way too accustomed to him laughing hysterically and mocking people who come up with similar irrelivant non-damages "I wanna sue that guy for discrimination cause he made me feel bad!" sorta lawsuits.
Most of them get summed up as the following.
1. Is it just your word verses the defendant, or can you in any way prove that the event occurred at all, and you are not creating a fictitious event?
2. Okay you can prove that the event actually occurred. You are [minority group], and the defendant treated you poorly. Can you prove that the defendant treated you poorly because you were [minority group], and not just because the defendant was an asshole?
3. Okay you can prove that the defendant actually was discriminatory towards you. Did you suffer any financial or physical loss or harm because of discrimination, which a cash value can be placed on?
If you cannot answer all three questions "Yes" Then you have absolutely no case at all in the slightest, goodbye, GTFO of my law office and/or courtroom.
EDIT: TL;DR: For any people who still don't get it, Dora would have to answer "no" to all three of those questions.
EDIT: I swear I'll hear these calls come up 20 times a day during his bloody show. And I'll maybe hear of one case a month that Handel is like, "Oh shit, uh, whoa. You actually answered all three questions with an affirmative. You might actually have a case. Now I'm depressed because I don't get to crush someone's hopes of a quick moneymaking scheme."
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This strip is definitely going to be a Noodles Incident strip, and we'll never find out what actually happened.
"I TOLD YOU, THAT NEVER HAPPENED!"
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As for today's strip: It looks like she's being shown a townhouse-style apartment. Probably two bed, two bath place with an upstairs and a downstairs.
And the whole question about wizards and such? HODGSON'S LAW, people.
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I see no one brought up the concept of "this exchange was necessary for the punchline" deal.
Seriously, Jeph went for the funny and got a chuckle out of me me anyways. I found the segue into showing the kitchen humourous.
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Dora's probably become a little spoiled by living with Sven in his nice upstairs/downstairs apartment. Or maybe she feels like she has to keep up with him. It would certainly fit her sibling rivalry patterns.
As for the debate going on, all the lady said was "you're not a witch or wizard, right?" If Dora wanted to file a discrimination suit, all the real estate lady has to say is "I only said 'witch or wizard', I never said 'are you wiccan?'" She could argue that she just meant to ask if Dora practiced "magic," that doesn't have to mean she subscribes to the wiccan religion. There are people who like to dabble around with spells and stuff without knowing shit about what it means to be truly wiccan. In fact these are probably the the kind of people who did whatever awful thing to the apartment the lady doesn't want to talk about.
And on that note, it wasn't until I came here that I thought of the possibility the woman was trying to change the subject. I thought this was kind of a cliffhanger strip, and her line "Let me show you the kitchen" was her way of beginning to explain what happened, like whatever it was happened in the kitchen.
If this is repeating anything that's been said already, sorry; I'm on my way out the door so a lot of this thread is TL;DR for me right now
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People seem to get the impression that you can sue for absolutely anything in America. And while you can, that doesn't mean you have any chance of having any result of your lawsuit other than being laughed out of lawyer offices repeatedly before representing yourself and being laughed out of the courtroom by the judge. The reason people have this impression that you can sue for anything is because of high profile cases such as the McDonalds Hot Coffee lawsuit. Which, actually had very serious damages, third degree burns, large skin grafts. Severe enough that she ultimately died from complications relating to it. That case was mocked and made fun of in the news, but it was a very real and very serious injury, with very real damages.
She died 14 years later at the age of 92. I doubt the coffee had as much to do with her demise as it was simply old age.
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I don't know what all of you Americans are complaining about, I live in Wales. For me the longest drive that I can do in one direction* is 2.5 hrs then i'll either be in the sea or in England, and I live less than 30 mins from the coast. as to visiting friends, do Americans not use the train?
Train? What's that? Sounds fancy.
hahh I keed
But seriously, I've lived in seven different areas of four different states and I've never even seen an above-ground train. They are rare indeed.
Unless a subway counts...does a subway count? I went on one once when I visited a friend on Staten Island. It was such a novelty!
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O hai. :-D Portlander here.
I'm heading there in a few days.
I'll wave. :-D
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I don't know what all of you Americans are complaining about, I live in Wales. For me the longest drive that I can do in one direction* is 2.5 hrs then i'll either be in the sea or in England, and I live less than 30 mins from the coast. as to visiting friends, do Americans not use the train?
I live around the St. Paul area in Minnesota and I take Amtrak to visit my best friend who lives in Milwaukee, WI. It is about a half hour to an hour longer than by car, but it's comfortable. This happens every few months. Otherwise I take buses/lightrail to school, but I have to get from the 'burbs to a station. I wish there was better public transportation, but for now I am saving up for a car. Which is difficult to do with no job. :psyduck:
As for the comic, I too wondered if Dora was looking at a house/townhouse/condo.
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Pornographic xkcd tonight.
ARGH! I didn't get that comic until I read this comment. Thanks a lot! :P
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I wasn't sure which poll answer to choose since I'd be willing to go about 45 min public transportation easily (when else can I read?) but only like...20-30 by car at most. But I also don't own a car so that's hard to say. (I get Zipcars to go where I gotta go!)
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Pornographic xkcd tonight.
I don't think that passes for pornography anywhere. However, there is a distinct possibility that Randall Munroe has, accidentally, clicked a link leading to Oglaf. Then again, the oil spill didn't start running around.
All I can say, is that you clearly are not an oil lamp.
Hmm. I don't know whether I should be flattered, relieved, insulted or disgusted by your comment?
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While I know it was just the set-up for the punchline, I do want to address the points above regarding discrimination. Dora (or our theoretical renter) wouldn't have to go get a lawyer. She could just call the Fair Housing Administration that covers the area, and they would investigate, sanction, fine or carry out a lawsuit on her behalf. It's as easy as clicking here: http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/fair_housing_equal_opp
Not to guarantee that anything would come of it, but she wouldn't have to spend a dime on a lawyer. It's all moot though- if she's a property manager for any larger company, this gets drilled into you regularly- you don't ask religion, race (or in CA, orientation or if they have children if it's not a senior complex) before renting. For a real estate agent I'm not as sure, but I can't see them not getting the same basic training- in enlightened self interest if nothing else.
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Well, the discussion today has really put the incident when I got my first apartment into perspective. After being shown around the apartment, the landlord turned to me and said "Do you have any pets? Dogs, cats, lizards or the like?"
I said "No, but I do know a real bitch."
He did not look pleased.
To this day I'm still surprised I got the apartment.
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I said "No, but I do know a real bitch."
I lol'd. And I'm a woman :-P
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I don't know what all of you Americans are complaining about, I live in Wales. For me the longest drive that I can do in one direction* is 2.5 hrs then i'll either be in the sea or in England, and I live less than 30 mins from the coast. as to visiting friends, do Americans not use the train?
Train? What's that? Sounds fancy.
hahh I keed
But seriously, I've lived in seven different areas of four different states and I've never even seen an above-ground train. They are rare indeed.
Unless a subway counts...does a subway count? I went on one once when I visited a friend on Staten Island. It was such a novelty!
Sometimes, if I'm feeling not up to driving (or just not trusting my car) I take the Amtrak from South Carolina to Virginia to visit my family. The only thing that sucks about it is when I get there, I'm pretty much stuck at my parents house unless a friend comes to pick me up to visit them. There's a Amtrak running from at least Georgia to New York on the east coast (correct me if I'm wrong). It takes about an hour longer than the drive, but I absolutely hate Carolina drivers. I live about 20 minutes from Charlotte, I use the bathroom before leaving on my trip and 10 minutes after I get out of Charlotte the drivers have scared me so bad I have to stop to go again. (I'm like a little dog haha.) Also, Durham, don't get me started on how bad (stupid) the traffic is in Durham. I love I-85 once I hit Va, two lanes one way, and the only thing you have to look out for is deer, other than that, trees and hills galore... until 85 becomes 95, then it's hell all over again. :psyduck:
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How do you know it's got a spacious living room? It hasn't been shown, and all that was said about it was "east-facing".
Oh, come on... she's a Real Estate Agent. The living room is always spacious. Even if it's literally a closet with a TV inside. At worst it's "cozy", but judging by what we already know about the place, I'm thinking my call has good backing behind it. ;)
Ah - spacious in the sense of "occupying space" :-)
Moar liek specious, amirite? :P
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Hmm. I don't know whether I should be flattered, relieved, insulted or disgusted by your comment?
e) all of the above.
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* I'm deliberately not saying straight line, almost every road in this country is ancient and winds around the hills like a pissed snake.
I am perfectly aware "pissed" has a different meaning on the other side of the Atlantic, but I'm pretty amused by the mental image of a snake shaking with such uncontrollable rage that it is physically incapable of moving in a straight line.
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Maybe she was just making sure she didn't get another follower of Sauron in the apartment.
After all, those Uruk-Hai parties are hard to clean up after.
:-D
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I am perfectly aware "pissed" has a different meaning on the other side of the Atlantic, but I'm pretty amused by the mental image of a snake shaking with such uncontrollable rage that it is physically incapable of moving in a straight line.
In Australia, we call that condition being "As mad as a cut snake".
Dora looks better in the current comic, and I think the estate-agent lady is particularly nicely drawn. Dora seems to be moving up-market; the place she's viewing looks like a townhouse or maisonette rather than an apartment. Keep guzzling the coffee Northampton!
I'm boycotting the poll, because there is no cycling option! :laugh:
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I said "No, but I do know a real bitch."
I lol'd. And I'm a woman :-P
Glad someone laughed. I was really nervous when I left the interview, it was a really good apartment, cheap too. :-D
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It has that other meaning on this side of the pond as well.
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What about "requires hyperdrive/warp drive" on the poll?
Why exclude fictional places?
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What about "requires hyperdrive/warp drive" on the poll?
Why exclude fictional places?
Because we obviously don't have the technology yet.
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Oh fuck me, now I can't get the image of Hanners in colored underwear outta my mind.
What about "requires hyperdrive/warp drive" on the poll?
Why exclude fictional places?
Because we obviously don't have the technology yet.
Then I demand an option for the TARDIS.
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Well. In many parts of the world political correctness trumps common sense.
I have no exposure to US housing laws, but I will testify that my landlord during my 1st year in grad school had a strict "no gays" house rule. May be you are allowed some leeway, if you sublet your basement? I dunno. If the rented housing consists of 3 beds, a bathroom, a TV room and a kitchenette, then you need some rules. Mind you, another rule was "no late night female guests."
Edit: Oops. A possibly essential part of my personal history missing. The said grad school was at Notre Dame, Indiana. I shared that basement with two other guys. I got what I expected to get for $26 /week.
In GA, a house being rented through a real estate company (as opposed to being rented out by the owner) cannot have more have more than two women listed on the lease or it's considered a brothel and isn't legal. I live in a college town, I see this as one of the dumbest laws ever.
Also, I don't know if it's all of GA or just my county and a few of the surrounding counties.
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Awww, Hanners. You're so adorable when you're having a social crisis.
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Person with OCD + changes in their routine = Not Good Times.
*hugs Hanners* It'll be OK. Go slip on some teal panties, you'll feel better.
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I'm boycotting the poll, because there is no cycling option! :laugh:
Ah. A fond memory from a summery day a few years back in the center of my home town. I was riding my all-terrain bike. I stopped side-by-side with a dude driving a red convertible at three consecutive traffic lights. And I had also withdrawn some extra cash from an ATM between two of the stops.
During the rush hour the ability to weave between other vehicles is more important than what you've got under the hood.
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Faye also doesn't like change. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=576)
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Faye don't have OCD.
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I wonder if Faye really thinks that Marten is coming back to CoD, or if she's just comforting Hanners by saying it.
Really, there's not much point to him going anymore- Faye and Hannelore both live in his building, and he doesn't seem especially fond of Penelope. While it may be healthy for him to eventually start talking to Dora, doing so on her turf is probably not helpful to the conversation- neutral territory for the win. And, just personally, I think Dora should make the first move to start patching things up. She initiated the breakup because she wasn't capable of handling it, she should initiate the friendship again when she IS capable of handling it.
And as much as Hanners has been tearing up and so forth lately, perhaps another alteration of her meds is in order. It might be worse, yeah, but it might be better, too.
And I found the comics when she came in wearing just shorts freaking hilarious. More altered medication hanners, plz.
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While I'm not part of the Hate Hanners Herd, I do think she's starting to become a filler for when there's nothing else to come up with. :|
Or maybe that's been her role for a while. I dunno.
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A return to the ... oddly confident ... Hanners might be interesting.
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I'd like to see a little more of Hanners and Mari. Not just gaming, either. Out and about, slowly pulling each other out of their respective shells. THAT could be fun.
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Yes...shells
(sorry)
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Dammit, wanted to see that kitchen...
WaffleIron, if Hanners found out that her world was just a comic strip, what would freak her out more, that realization, or the realization that rule 34 must apply to our universe as well?
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What about "requires hyperdrive/warp drive" on the poll?
Why exclude fictional places?
Because we obviously don't have the technology yet.
YES, WE DO.
Its called "books"!
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Isn't hyperdriving just when you've had too much coffee during your morning commute?
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I would say Hanners was being a little hypocritical (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=515), if I didn't know that "OCD Girl" was pretty much a completely different character to Hanners.
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Isn't hyperdriving just when you've had too much coffee during your morning commute?
There is no such thing as "too much coffee."
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Isn't hyperdriving just when you've had too much coffee during your morning commute?
Oh, dear! I thought it was only North Dakotans, who have drip machines in their cars/pick-ups.
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Now, there's a feature - an entire espresso setup in the dash, open the glovebox, there's your shot... steam generated courtesy of engine heat.
Damn, where's a patent attourney when you need one?
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Don't know, but if you can get it to deliver a large double-double you'll have a winner in the Great White North.
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You mean like this? (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Travel-Coffee-Maker-150ml-Ceramic/dp/B002AAJNOW)
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I would say Hanners was being a little hypocritical (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=515), if I didn't know that "OCD Girl" was pretty much a completely different character to Hanners.
... Or speaking from experience? Somebody quotable once said the things about other people that bother us the most are those things we see in ourselves. I'm building on the premise that the acerbic and assertive "OCD Girl" was just an aspect of Hanners she normally buries deep, but was freed by whatever anxiety med she was on at the time.
In 20/20 hindsight, I remember that Panicky Hanners bubbled to the surface pretty quickly when she thought Marten was suggesting sex when she meant Scrabble, and when Marten tazed himself.
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You mean like this? (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Travel-Coffee-Maker-150ml-Ceramic/dp/B002AAJNOW)
Not quite - we're looking at something built into the vehicle itself.
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I do think she's starting to become a filler for when there's nothing else to come up with. :|
Honestly? That's how I feel about Dora.
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Re: Today's specials. Am I missing something? What the hell could pizza water mean in this context? An Italian dude once told me that to make a genuine pizza the water for the dough must come from Naples (a disgusting place, if you ask me), but that doesn't make any sense here.
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Trust me, you don't wanna know.
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The headband works really well for Hanners. Please keep it, Jeph.
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Re: Today's specials. Am I missing something? What the hell could pizza water mean in this context? An Italian dude once told me that to make a genuine pizza the water for the dough must come from Naples (a disgusting place, if you ask me), but that doesn't make any sense here.
Or...and this might be a little crazy, but hear me out...Pizza Water could be water that had pizza dipped into it.
I mean, come on, this is Coffee of Doom we're talking about. This is the same place where Faye has served up dirt with aphids because a customer wanted organic coffee, unusual or disgusting specials is pretty much par for the course with them.
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Today's specials are by no means the most unusual to appear on that board. I remember one day's offering included a pile of screws, and lasers. Another day, they offered to stab you so you could call in sick. Faye would have done it, too.
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Isn't hyperdriving just when you've had too much coffee during your morning commute?
There is no such thing as "too much coffee."
Seconded!! :-D
I think that Jeph will eventually bring Marten back to CoD. It may take a while, but it's bound to happen.
Hanners Cute Mode Activated.
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Well, yeah, you expect it to be something unpleasant. But google and urban dictionary didn't really shed any light. Unless you stretch a bit, and assume the closest match suggesting ... a bowl full of water with ... floating toppings.
Why did I ask? :psyduck:
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I'm pretty sure The Evil Dog had it right. Also...I told you that you didn't wanna know.
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Where has Mieville been? Did I miss something?
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You mean like this? (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Travel-Coffee-Maker-150ml-Ceramic/dp/B002AAJNOW)
Not quite - we're looking at something built into the vehicle itself.
Also, I'd seen these before - nothing more than a standard coffeemaker with a 12v plug. I'm talkin' a full bore espresso machine - pressurized steam forced through the finest of grinds! A sidarm (whatever they're called) for steaming the milk! While it can be done electrically, it's take a pretty large current draw, and I'm thinking the lighter wiring (esp. the fuse) may not cut it. Instead, generate the steam right off the engine - it gets more than hot enough!
Of course, foaming your latte while driving may be against the law in some states. :police:
That's why it should be on the passenger side - take your favorite barista for a ride to work!
OK, now we've crossed the bridge into silly. :mrgreen:
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OK, now we've crossed the bridge into silly. :mrgreen:
It's twenty minutes away! That's practically an overnight trip!
... of course, if we still had a Stanley Steamer (the car, not the carpet cleaning machine), that would be half the battle toward an in-car espresso machine.
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In GA, a house being rented through a real estate company (as opposed to being rented out by the owner) cannot have more have more than two women listed on the lease or it's considered a brothel and isn't legal. I live in a college town, I see this as one of the dumbest laws ever.
Also, I don't know if it's all of GA or just my county and a few of the surrounding counties.
Huh, I've never heard of that law. Granted, I'm a guy living in a college town in Georgia (just curious, I mean, its no the only college town in Georgia, but it is the major one, Athens? If so, aaahhhhhhhhhhh. Internet people aren't supposed to live that close to me.) and I'm married and have two kids, so this isn't exactly a law that would affect me.
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Where has Mieville been? Did I miss something?
i don't think we'll be seeing Dora's pussy anytime soon.
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Re: Today's specials. Am I missing something? What the hell could pizza water mean in this context? An Italian dude once told me that to make a genuine pizza the water for the dough must come from Naples (a disgusting place, if you ask me), but that doesn't make any sense here.
Something along this line? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chili_pepper_water)
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Where has Mieville been? Did I miss something?
i don't think we'll be seeing Dora's pussy anytime soon.
Why did I just hear a rimshot?
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Isn't hyperdriving just when you've had too much coffee during your morning commute?
There is no such thing as "too much coffee."
I've noticed anyone who says this generally drinks too much coffee. Everything has limits beyond which bad things occur. It's either a law of physics or should be.
I have to say I still haven't really gotten used to wearing colored undies* myself. What's worse, I've recently been presented with some with patterns. Tiny tools**, no less. Oy.
I'm with ya, Hanners, baby!
*Not including those I've simply managed to dye in the washing machine over the years.
**Hammers, saws, and drills. Don't get overly excited.
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A sidarm (whatever they're called) for steaming the milk!
I work at a cafe, we call it a wand. o.0 I'm not sure if that's the technical term.
And by cafe, I mean, Panera Bread. We are like the Secret Bakery, our pastries are our big selling point. Our coffee just gives you insane diarrhea. :psyduck:
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Do you get to chuck muffins at hobos?
My daughter just started at our local Panera. So far, they have her washing dishes and cleaning... I'm hoping muffin-chucking is one of the perks. She has a good arm, and could use the pressure releif.
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Whoever makes the In car steam generated espresso machine must take steps to make sure that neither exhaust, nor engine fluids come in contact with the beverage.
I'm not sure ethylene glycol would be that tasty as a coffee flavor! :wink:
And I'm sure there must exist a lethal dose of coffee, but whether that would be considered "too much" is open too debate.
Some days that would be considered "just barely enough!"
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Haha! Carl-E, I have witnessed a girl hitting a guy in the no-no zone with a french baguette after he said something very inappropriate to her, he was laid out on the floor for a few minutes afterward. I've also gotten my knees scraped from a baguette that clawed it's way through a trash bag.
We do get hobos, recently we had one living on our roof. One of the guys I work with would leave bagels in a plastic bag in the bushes where the homeless guy kept his clothes every night.
Edit: I also enjoy throwing tooth picks, and vegetables at my co-workers. So she'll get to throw things eventually. I'm lucky with a very laid back awesome GM, so I get to throw things at him as well, but because he loves playing pranks on me. I dislike corporate Panera, but I've worked at 3 different Panera's and can say for the most part I do enjoy my co-workers, and generally have loads of fun with them while I'm there.
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How far is too far?
One or two blocks away. - 1 (1.1%)
10 minute walk. - 0 (0%)
10 minute drive. - 1 (1.1%)
20-30 minute drive. - 7 (7.9%)
30 minutes via public transit. - 4 (4.5%)
An hour drive. - 28 (31.5%)
Two hour drive. - 25 (28.1%)
Anything requiring a plane. - 14 (15.7%)
Anything requiring SpaceShip One. - 8 (9%)
TARDIS. - 1 (1.1%)
Total Voters: 89
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Where has Mieville been? Did I miss something?
i don't think we'll be seeing Dora's pussy anytime soon.
Why did I just hear a rimshot?
Mrs. Slocombes Pussy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC8cCVtyN3A)
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Dale, you have officially gone from my favorite male character to second to last. :psyduck: Can you say CREEPY?
On the other hand, Marigold is extremely cute in panels 3 and 4, so...win?
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There's a perfect opportunity for Mieville to make an appearance. Remember when Dora used to hash out her problems by having conversations with her cat?
Doesn't Dale have trouble seeing when his glasses glow like that?
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Awwwww,
Mari n' Dale, playin' DnD,
crawlin through dungeons, happy as can be.
first comes minecraft, then comes WoW...
Then come the orc wizards, and everyone dies.
Can't wait to see where this goes next week!
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And Dale officially earns his Mari-spawned nickname of "Alliance SCUM".
Dude.
Not cool.
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I think Gendo Akari snuck in and possessed Dale in this strip.
Dat creepiness
Dem glasses
Dat Shirt
Dammit Jeph. :psyduck:
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I think it's an indicator of QC's popularity that the link in today's newspost has very nearly broken, (it shouldn't take 10 minutes to load a wiki page).
For those questioning caffeine limits, it is psychotropic, and can cause hallucinations (I've had them in the past) although there was a CSI episode where pure caffeine was used as a lethal injection (not sure if that counts though).
i do really like Marigold's reaction to Dale today, kind of a vigorous denial, suggesting that she might be refusing to acknowledge something in herself.
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DUH!
She hates hm almost as muh as she hates orc-wizards.
But she's still playin' the game, so how much does she "hate" them?
Parallels, my friends. Parallels.
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Man, I wonder if a man has ever voluntarily gotten that physically close to her.
And Dale officially earns his Mari-spawned nickname of "Alliance SCUM".
Dude.
Not cool.
Why is it not cool? He probably doesn't realize how much this is SRS BZNS for Mar-bear; he's just just having a little fun messing with her and probably thinks she enjoys it on some level too (which she certainly might); I think having this kind of real-life nerd sparring with someone is good for her.
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Awww, I was expecting some April Fools hijinks.
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Be honest - was anyone else just a tiiiiiiiiiny bit disappointed that Jeph didn't give us a fake comic where Faye marries Hannelore or something for April Fool's? I kinda expected him to play some sort of joke like that. UNLESS! Maybe that's the joke? And he's in my mind? :psyduck:
(That was my first-ever Psyduck, I'm so proud.)
Also, honestly? I'm starting to suspect that Dale is really honestly not flirting with Marigold. Flirting techniques like that belong in the realm of ten- to fourteen-year-olds. If I walked up to someone I only know from a few traded insults, leaned in close, activated my lazer-glasses (why does he have those?) and then proceeded to insult her method of pursuing her hobby... well, it wouldn't be because I liked that person.
Seriously. Is anyone else considering that all the implications that Dale's a cool guy is just Jeph leading us on, but in secret he's really genuinely insane? I mean it is possible.
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I want Dale's shirt
soooooooooooooooooooo much
And man I hope he was wearin some nice cologne today, bein all up in her grill like that.
Hahaha he's a taaaall guy too, that took some dedication.
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Be honest - was anyone else just a tiiiiiiiiiny bit disappointed that Jeph didn't give us a fake comic where Faye marries Hannelore or something for April Fool's? I kinda expected him to play some sort of joke like that. UNLESS! Maybe that's the joke? And he's in my mind? :psyduck:
(That was my first-ever Psyduck, I'm so proud.)
Also, honestly? I'm starting to suspect that Dale is really honestly not flirting with Marigold. Flirting techniques like that belong in the realm of ten- to fourteen-year-olds. If I walked up to someone I only know from a few traded insults, leaned in close, activated my lazer-glasses (why does he have those?) and then proceeded to insult her method of pursuing her hobby... well, it wouldn't be because I liked that person.
Seriously. Is anyone else considering that all the implications that Dale's a cool guy is just Jeph leading us on, but in secret he's really genuinely insane? I mean it is possible.
I think the possibility exists. Then again Dale could also be about as socially awkward as Marigold. Then there is also the idea of angry geek courtship.
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I'm just saying, put yourself in Marigold's shoes. You randomly meet a pizza-delivery guy who mentions he plays the same online game as you. He then pops up multiple times in your life, more than once because he's clearly looking for you, specifically. He taunts you with threats and promises of your defeat in the future, mocks and insults you for the sheer sadistic pleasure of it, and enjoys invading your personal space while leering at you from behind what are apparently lazer-powered glasses.
If your immediate thought is, "I should totally date this guy!" then you may be in need of professional help.
Also, I really only just noticed another great feature of today's comic: Cutest Hanners EVER in the last panel. :)
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Wow... can Dale possibly channel any more Gendo there? :D
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Also, I really only just noticed another great feature of today's comic: Cutest Hanners EVER in the last panel. :)
Second cutest. The first cutest was when she was a pokeslut (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1660)
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She looked kind of aroused and in denial about it when he was all up in her grill.I think there's going to be a epic nerdy showdown to end the harassment. Instead the affair ends with makeouts.
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I'm just saying, put yourself in Marigold's shoes. You randomly meet a pizza-delivery guy who mentions he plays the same online game as you. He then pops up multiple times in your life, more than once because he's clearly looking for you, specifically. He taunts you with threats and promises of your defeat in the future, mocks and insults you for the sheer sadistic pleasure of it, and enjoys invading your personal space while leering at you from behind what are apparently lazer-powered glasses.
If your immediate thought is, "I should totally date this guy!" then you may be in need of professional help.
Man, what the hell are you talking about. Over half these posts end with seeking professional help. It's just a comic. They're going to continue this cute little rivalry for a while until Marigold wins, forcing Dale to acknowledge her skills and ask her out for some pizza. Then they'll bond like normal human beings.
*nods*
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Be honest - was anyone else just a tiiiiiiiiiny bit disappointed that Jeph didn't give us a fake comic where Faye marries Hannelore or something for April Fool's?
I thought Tai and Hanners got engaged? (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1612)
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I must agree with Marigold: I hate wizards, orc or otherwise.
My basic approach to fights with multiple enemies in fantasy/RPG games is basically:
1) Are any enemies wearing a robe?
2) Are any enemies carrying a stick?
3) Are any enemies wiggling their fingers/waving their arms?
If the answer to one or more of the above is 'Yes', it dies first. No exceptions.
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It's just a comic.
The MST3K manta for web comics. I think more people need to chant it :wink:
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It's just a comic.
The MST3K manta for web comics. I think more people need to chant it :wink:
Bah, I need some release. All in good fun.
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Man, what the hell are you talking about. Over half these posts end with seeking professional help. It's just a comic. They're going to continue this cute little rivalry for a while until Marigold wins, forcing Dale to acknowledge her skills and ask her out for some pizza. Then they'll bond like normal human beings.
Aww, stop spoilin' my fun. :P
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I must agree with Marigold: I hate wizards, orc or otherwise.
My basic approach to fights with multiple enemies in fantasy/RPG games is basically:
1) Are any enemies wearing a robe?
2) Are any enemies carrying a stick?
3) Are any enemies wiggling their fingers/waving their arms?
If the answer to one or more of the above is 'Yes', it dies first. No exceptions.
You gotta throw one more on there.
4)Once that enemy is finished wiggling their fingers/waving their arms, are there other enemies with more HP than they had before that enemy started wiggling their fingers/waving their arms?
Offensive magic users can be worked around, depending on the game. Healers? THOSE fuckers will make your life miserable for as long as they have HP and MP. Thus, THOSE fuckers are priority 1.
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Dale: Troll the fuck out of Marigold.
Your attempt is an overwhelming success.
...I-I can't believe I thought these two didn't go together. Of course they do, but they are caliginous as fuck. So much blackrom. All the ♠. All of it. This is my new One True Hatepairing. MARI ♠ DALE FOREVER.
I also think Dale is at his best channeling Gendo. He should do that more.
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Color me surprised so many people here know about Evangelion. I actually failed to pick up on the Gendo references myself, which I consider kind of sad for a devout Eva fan with an Asuka avatar.
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Aw man this was a great comic. Marigold, Dale, Dungeon Crawl... all things I enjoy.
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Dale, creepy? Sheesh people, relax. Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees. With the revelations of this comic, Dale is clearly as much of an awkward RPG nerd as Marbear is. No need to flip out over it.
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Color me surprised so many people here know about Evangelion. I actually failed to pick up on the Gendo references myself, which I consider kind of sad for a devout Eva fan with an Asuka avatar.
...only because someone referenced it the first time Dale's glasses lit up. The rest of us had to google it...
Oh, and the first time, it made sense. He was looking at a monitor. Since then, they apparantly glow with attitude!
As for the hate-romance, this is very middle school. Yeah, we'd expect it from Mari the social shut-in, but I think Dale was originally presented as someone a little more socially advanced than this. I mean, this is pigtails-in-the-inkwell type stuff (no, I'm not that old). Callin' her a baby? Come on, now.
Of course, he's reverting to gamer mode when he's around her, and he probably started playin when he was what, maybe 10? So OK, I guess it makes sense, but...
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNG.
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Y HELO THAR GENDO
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I'll throw up the "best of" poll tonight for y'all. I have some work-related stuff going on.
And Gendo Glasses FTW!
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The rest of us had to google it...
Speak for yourself! - but then I do have the complete Evangelion DVDs...
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Yup. Dale's game has a Calvinesque air to it, and I guess we will eventually see, whether it works on Marigold or not? Neither of them is looking for what might be described as a mainstream 20something romance. They both seem to be at about junior high level in social skills. Probably in need of an apron for a while, if they end up dating? IMVHO the other girls were a bit off the mark, when trying to make Marigirl see herself as mainstream attractive. That won't help here. Speaking as someone whose approach was disturbingly similar at a disturbingly 'old' age. Hey, if your trump card is that you think you are the alpha nerd looking for a nerdette, you play accordingly!
I rather get the vibes that it is Dale, who should impress Marigold with his skill at WoW or whatever. Not the other way around.
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DUH!
She hates hm almost as muh as she hates orc-wizards.
But she's still playin' the game, so how much does she "hate" them?
Parallels, my friends. Parallels.
Never hear of That one boss (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThatOneBoss)?
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Heh, I've been playing Dungeon Crawl a lot lately, and indeed ork wizards give me occasionally a hard time: I usually play a Spriggan Enchanter, and my standard procedure against mobs is to cast Ensorceled Hibernation on them, then stab them dead. Orc wizards sometimes resist the first part more than I would like. But I've never been killed by one. Same with Sigmund, by the way. What's the issue with this dude?
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Heh, I've been playing Dungeon Crawl a lot lately, and indeed ork wizards give me occasionally a hard time: I usually play a Spriggan Enchanter, and my standard procedure against mobs is to cast Ensorceled Hibernation on them, then stab them dead. Orc wizards sometimes resist the first part more than I would like. But I've never been killed by one. Same with Sigmund, by the way. What's the issue with this dude?
That freaking Sigmund has killed me many times when I first started this game. I'd pick a strength type hero, go in killing everything. Then I see this guy called Sigmund. I think I can take him. I'm a rocking High Elf Paladin, I got this. And then I was oh so wrong. Get hit with a confusion wand, then get hit with fire wands. Then death. Rinse repeat many more times until I learn just to run away as fast as I can from him and come back later on to kill him. Sometimes i'll be unlucky and go down on the floor and he's standing right next to me. And then I know the death will be coming soon.
Also, Dale and Marigold are quite possibly my favorite duo. I don't expect them to date or be romantic, but he just cracks me up. every time.
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This is in response to the whole Dale calling Marigold a baby and saying they have a junior high level of social skills.
Think about when Marten and Sven were talking about all the indie bands they enjoy. They were both attempting to see who could lay claim to the most obscure band in order to claim the title of most indie hipster.
Many gamers are similar. Whoever can claim to have started gaming first or have played a game no one has ever heard about before gets to be king gamer.
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Which is why I have a Chaos Dwarf army for Warhammer (and a Kislev and a Cult of Ulric force). I'd only be more obscure in that game if I used a Fimir army, or Zoats
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We all know what's going on with Marigold (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FoeYay) and Dale (http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=265).
I must agree with Marigold: I hate wizards, orc or otherwise.
My basic approach to fights with multiple enemies in fantasy/RPG games is basically:
1) Are any enemies wearing a robe?
2) Are any enemies carrying a stick?
3) Are any enemies wiggling their fingers/waving their arms?
If the answer to one or more of the above is 'Yes', it dies first. No exceptions.
You gotta throw one more on there.
4)Once that enemy is finished wiggling their fingers/waving their arms, are there other enemies with more HP than they had before that enemy started wiggling their fingers/waving their arms?
Offensive magic users can be worked around, depending on the game. Healers? THOSE fuckers will make your life miserable for as long as they have HP and MP. Thus, THOSE fuckers are priority 1.
That's just common sense.
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I feel the need to point out that concerning these little geek-duels Mari and Dale have, Marigold threw the first punch (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1668). Dale's the one who initially tried to be friendly, and the second Marigold realized he played for the opposing faction, she's the one who suddenly turned the tables, insulted him, and slammed the door in his face. Also last time he encountered her, she had the upper hand (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1771) by the end (in a way).
THIS IS WAR, PEOPLE (and also foreplay)! Mari wanted a fight and she's getting one.*
*though hopefully when it's over she'll get something else if you know what I mean...
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Nethack forever, folks.
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Heh, I've been playing Dungeon Crawl a lot lately, and indeed ork wizards give me occasionally a hard time: I usually play a Spriggan Enchanter, and my standard procedure against mobs is to cast Ensorceled Hibernation on them, then stab them dead. Orc wizards sometimes resist the first part more than I would like. But I've never been killed by one. Same with Sigmund, by the way. What's the issue with this dude?
I only played that game a little bit. But, I'm pretty sure that strat won't work for her berserker.
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Maybe he's hate-courting her ironically, expecting that she'll see what he's doing and play along, but he doesn't yet realize that she's socially and emotionally about ten years behind were he thinks she is, and she's responding as a 13 year old would.
Of course Dale may just think she's really good at playing along and doesn't know that she's stunted.
She's certainly developing strong feelings about him, and she's not afraid of him like she was with Sven or even Angus, so there's that.
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Nethack forever, folks.
Indeed! (http://alt.org/nethack/)
Although, the Roguelike that I've been finding the most addictive lately is DoomRL. (http://doom.chaosforge.org/) I just can't stop playing that game! :-o
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Which is why I have a Chaos Dwarf army for Warhammer (and a Kislev and a Cult of Ulric force). I'd only be more obscure in that game if I used a Fimir army, or Zoats
Chaos Dwarves - Thanks for the Hellcannon.
Cult of Ulric - Bah, we didn't even want your city anyway, smelled too much like a wet dog.
Oh, and if you really wanted to be obscure, you'd have some slaan warriors too, or possibly some of the old warbands... It'd be a very short game though.
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Slaan army with pygmies?
You can keep the Helcannon - Earthshakers are a much better deal.
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What?
What?!
What is this?!
What has Jeff wrought here?
This is a terrible, and outrageous act of terrible outrage. Doesn't Jeff understand that this is April Fool's day?
IT IS APRIL FOOL'S DAY.
Jeff hasn't even acknowledged this deeply significant, quasi-religious, holiday, and I must say, that on behalf of my people, I find this complete and total disrespect to be completely and totally disrespectful.
I mean, I lived through the Great Redirect, I remember these things, and now, what is this? Did no one tell Jeff? Is that what happened? I simply can't believe that Randall didn't touch base with him about his XK3D thang. I mean, did any of you see that? It took effort, it clearly took time. But this? This is just the normal. The Usual. This is the Expected on the Day of the Unexpected.
This is Big. Seriously. This is like forgetting Christmas, and your Anniversary, and your Girlfriend's Birthday All At The Same Time.
I just can't understand what Jeff is thinking?! Is Dale some kind of Prankster God now? Does his mere appearance count as tricksy hijinx?
I literally cannot believe this...
(24 hours later)
...and another thing, why doesn't Dale have a sidekick? I would have thought that a 'Chip' was the least...
(2 days later)
...and then there's the children. Jeff: Think About The Children. Is this the kind of world...
(2 weeks later)
...so between this and Global Warming and that Nuclear Meltdown in Japan, I have to say that I am in a really bad place right now...
(20 years later)
...So to sum up:
Jeff: The Ball is On The Floor.
It is on the floor because Someone Has Dropped It
(Although now that I've read it, this is quite a good entry - well done!)
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Over half these posts end with seeking professional help. It's just a comic.
It's a comic in which three people are receiving professional help. These characters may be even more screwed up inside than real people.
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This is a terrible, and outrageous act of terrible outrage. Doesn't Jeff understand that this is April Fool's day?
IT IS APRIL FOOL'S DAY.
Jeff hasn't even acknowledged this deeply significant, quasi-religious, holiday, and I must say, that on behalf of my people, I find this complete and total disrespect to be completely and totally disrespectful.
The april fools joke is that Shut Up Shinji shirts aren't on sale now in the Questionable Content Merchandise Store.
It's a comic in which three people are receiving professional help. These characters may be even more screwed up inside than real people.
Or that not enough screwed-up real people seek out the professional help they need.
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Blood-Tree...Who the bloody hell is Jeff?
I really like it when icon/post synergy happens :lol:
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The rest of us had to google it...
Speak for yourself! - but then I do have the complete Evangelion DVDs...
I wish you were my grandpa, mine only watches the news. </3
Which, the boyfriend and I just bought Evangelion1.11 and 2.22 yesterday. They're on sale at Best Buy, first one $12.99, and the new one $19.99, not bad at all. We were surprised since they weren't labeled on sale at all. Thought we were spending $30 each. Blu-ray, even with cartoons you can tell a HUGE difference.
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Who the bloody hell is Jeff?
The creator of Martin, Fay, and Hannelore.
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Don't forget Swen and Dorrie.
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Be careful there
Gendo Dale, she may know how to contact . . . . . .
. . . . . The Vespa Avenger!!!!
:-)
Though contacting Kirika and Mirelle might be quicker :evil:
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Who the bloody hell is Jeff?
The creator of Martin, Fay, and Hannelore.
You misspelled Jep.
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Who the bloody hell is Jeff?
The creator of Martin, Fay, and Hannelore.
You misspelled Jep.
Nope, Blood-Tree did.
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I believe we can tell that Dale was for sure flirting with Marigold. If Hanners like most other people in that she can't tell when they are being flirted with, which would be why she missed it here http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1856 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1856), and she figures it out when someone is flirting in an odd fashion, such as Angus' and Faye "fighting" flirting, or Dale's creeping, then there is a good chance that Dale is attempting to flirt. Whether or not it is the best strategy is up to interpretation.
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Nope, Blood-Tree did.
I've heard it both ways.
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Bahaha, Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaale! Hate-flirting ftw! :lol: Dale may normally be socially well-adapted, but when it comes to Marbear, his radar gets thrown waaay off. I don't even think he's fully conscious that he's flirting with her! She just got under his skin and he's reacting, on her level or below. Maybe he was picked on as a kid and she hit that kind of nerve, or maybe he's just used to people liking him, since he's otherwise so easygoing, but whatever's going on beneath the surface, he's got a thing for her.
Of course, in their case, instead of saying "Get a room!" it might be more appropriate to say "Oh, just PvP already!"
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the boyfriend and I just bought Evangelion1.11 and 2.22
2.22 isn't available in the UK yet (two months to go still); I have it on pre-order at Amazon, though. I toyed with getting an Italian copy, widely available from eBay, but as I don't speak Italian that would have been a bit stupid, really.
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You could acquire it through other means. It's ethical as long as you keep your pre-order and still buy it as soon as it's available. (NB: I said ethical, not legal)
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Daww. That's why you get your American buddies to hook you up! =D
We stumbled on it by chance, I was actually going to get Trigun. When I saw the look of happiness on his face when he saw both of the movies, I set Trigun down and said "Let's get it". =] He looked like I did when I first saw a Furby when I was a kid, I couldn't disappoint. Love is full of sacrifices, however, I'm also happy with the purchase.
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I'll wait (and yes, I do know about torrents).
Speaking of Furby... when it dies, it needs a Furby autopsy (http://www.phobe.com/furby/).
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I don't know what the deal is with Dale's glowing glasses, but I like it.
Also, re: whoever upthread, Dale totally knows he's flirting with Marigold.
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I played with my Furby for a day or two, and it sat on a shelf, occasionally waking up and singing. It was kinda sad. =[
Creeped my mom out, so she ended up taking the batteries out after a while.
Edit: Did the Furby's do that? Or was it the robot babies? I had both... :psyduck:
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Of course, in their case, instead of saying "Get a room!" it might be more appropriate to say "Oh, just PvP already!"
The process was started a while ago: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1693
Later Marigold had the last laugh: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1771
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The rest of us had to google it...
Speak for yourself! - but then I do have the complete Evangelion DVDs...
I've thought about getting the Evangelion set. Is it worth it?
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his glasses are always glowing WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS GLOWING
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In a world where people periodically have fits in which they speak the dark language of the great old ones, being able to make your glasses glow isn't really that far-fetched.
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How far is too far?
One or two blocks away. - 1 (0.9%)
10 minute walk. - 0 (0%)
10 minute drive. - 1 (0.9%)
20-30 minute drive. - 11 (10.3%)
30 minutes via public transit. - 5 (4.7%)
An hour drive. - 30 (28%)
Two hour drive. - 25 (23.4%)
Anything requiring a plane. - 19 (17.8%)
Anything requiring SpaceShip One. - 9 (8.4%)
TARDIS. - 6 (5.6%)
Total Voters: 107
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Hm. I knew there wouldn't be as much poll replies after posting it so late. :/
And now - the QC "MOMENT... OF... THE WEEK!"
WOULD YOU PLEASE TURN DOWN THE INTROSPECTION I AM TRYING TO GET SOME SLEEP! - 4 (15.4%)
Found a place over in Amherst - 0 (0%)
It's all the way over the river! - 0 (0%)
IT'S 20 MINUTES AWAY. - 2 (7.7%)
F'ed up sense of scale. - 2 (7.7%)
Absolutely wonderful sunlight! - 0 (0%)
You're not a witch or anything? - 0 (0%)
We have a "No Sorcery" policy - 2 (7.7%)
Let me show you the kitchen. - 1 (3.8%)
Sad Hanners! - 0 (0%)
Marten's not coming here, Dora's moving to Amherst, and everything CHANGING... - 0 (0%)
Sometimes change is for the better. - 0 (0%)
Colored underwear (she was a mess for WEEKS) - 1 (3.8%)
Oops, you died again (Dungeon Crawl) - 0 (0%)
Dale Gendo Glasses! - 5 (19.2%)
Shut up, Shinji! - 2 (7.7%)
Cute like a li'l baby - cause tilesets are for BABIES. - 2 (7.7%)
Good luck, li'l baby berserker. - 1 (3.8%)
I think he's flirting with you! - 3 (11.5%)
I hate him almost as much as I hate Orc wizards! - 1 (3.8%)
Total Voters: 26
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I've thought about getting the Evangelion set. Is it worth it?
No. Get the Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex boxed sets instead. Guaranteed Shinji-free! :-D
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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup?
Every time I think I know how awesome Jeph is, HE KEEPS RAISING THE BAR.
(now if only I played DC:SS or watched Evangelion or did half the things I need to do to resuscitate my nerd cred)
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I've thought about getting the Evangelion set. Is it worth it?
No. Get the Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex boxed sets instead. Guaranteed Shinji-free! :-D
Already have it, though I do kind of prefer the original movie, even if it leaves me feeling like my brain has melted every time I watch it.
So...Evangelion...Yes/No?
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I've thought about getting the Evangelion set. Is it worth it?
I think so; but I can't know whether you will agree, of course. There's a considerable variation in price if you look around - eBay is a good source if you look carefully. I paid a total of £35 or so (a couple of years ago) for a Platinum set in a metal box, and the package of Death and Rebirth + End of Evangelion movies.
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I've thought about getting the Evangelion set. Is it worth it?
No. Get the Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex boxed sets instead. Guaranteed Shinji-free! :-D
Plus the Major in skintight bodysuits and implied incest situations!! Sadly, no Lesbian Boat Sex Scene.
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Over half these posts end with seeking professional help. It's just a comic.
It's a comic in which three people are receiving professional help. These characters may be even more screwed up inside than real people.
That's true, but some of these comments are just plain asshatery. Dale and Marigold's rivalry is clearly made in good humor. The glowing glasses, the stalking, the throwing of money and door slamming for belonging to a different alliance in a video game. Nothing is normal about what's going these two are doing, but it's funny. People like Marigold and Dale make life fun.
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Yes but they're different!
Under no circumstances are deviations from conventionally acceptable mainstream social behavior to be tolerated!
That leads to dancing! :wink:
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And we all know where that leads...
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Socialism? (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,26533.msg1026139.html#msg1026139)
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Why is it everything on here leads to socialism?
Why not some nice anarchism?
Libertarianism would be nice for a change.
Ooooh! Social Democracy too!
No communism though, its a nice theory and all, but useless in practise...
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Just once I'd like to see everything lead to a Mysticism-based Theocracy. Screw the politics, let's have the God of all Unicorns take control of the situation. That's what the people want.
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God of all Unicorns
Yeah, we just call him "God" here. (Or the King of All Cosmos)
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God of all Unicorns
Yeah, we just call him "God" here. (Or the King of All Cosmos)
FALCON PUNCH!!!!1!!
Use his full and proper name heathen!
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Just once I'd like to see everything lead to a Mysticism-based Theocracy. Screw the politics, let's have the God of all Unicorns take control of the situation. That's what the people want.
And the Unicorn Prince (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=664) is his representative!
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Oh man, I bet that you can buy AnthroPC accessories like that. You could get a little magnetic Unicorn horn to put on Pintsize's head, and he wouldn't get able to get it off because his limbs wouldn't be able to reach it.
I LOVE THIS IDEA.
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I've thought about getting the Evangelion set. Is it worth it?
No. Get the Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex boxed sets instead. Guaranteed Shinji-free! :-D
Plus the Major in skintight bodysuits and implied incest situations!! Sadly, no Lesbian Boat Sex Scene.
Yep, episode 2 did have some gratuitous shots of her.
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The local movie theater here showed 2.whatev
I have a love/hate relationship with the whole series.
When it's good, it's really really good, and when it's bad, WTF?!
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And now - the QC "MOMENT... OF... THE WEEK!"
WOULD YOU PLEASE TURN DOWN THE INTROSPECTION I AM TRYING TO GET SOME SLEEP! - 13 (22.4%)
Found a place over in Amherst - 0 (0%)
It's all the way over the river! - 0 (0%)
IT'S 20 MINUTES AWAY. - 2 (3.4%)
F'ed up sense of scale. - 3 (5.2%)
Absolutely wonderful sunlight! - 0 (0%)
You're not a witch or anything? - 0 (0%)
We have a "No Sorcery" policy - 3 (5.2%)
Let me show you the kitchen. - 3 (5.2%)
Sad Hanners! - 1 (1.7%)
Marten's not coming here, Dora's moving to Amherst, and everything CHANGING... - 0 (0%)
Sometimes change is for the better. - 0 (0%)
Colored underwear (she was a mess for WEEKS) - 3 (5.2%)
Oops, you died again (Dungeon Crawl) - 0 (0%)
Dale Gendo Glasses! - 11 (19%)
Shut up, Shinji! - 6 (10.3%)
Cute like a li'l baby - cause tilesets are for BABIES. - 3 (5.2%)
Good luck, li'l baby berserker. - 1 (1.7%)
I think he's flirting with you! - 6 (10.3%)
I hate him almost as much as I hate Orc wizards! - 3 (5.2%)
Total Voters: 58