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Title: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: mike837go on 26 May 2011, 09:55
In the WCDT the issue of the correct spelling of esprresso has been batted about.

That got me to thinking about how much I hate the stuff. It is the distilled essence of everything that is bad about coffee. Cheep beans. Overroasted. The bitterness, over-strong taste and very oily.  :-P

A good quality South American or Middle Eastern bean lightly to moderatly roasted (cinimon-colored roast). Ground fine. Brewed using a continous flow of water not over 195F and a paper filter.

Served over a spash of milk and no sugar.

Now, that's good coffee! 

Nibble a bit a good chocolate on the side. Heaven!

Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Boomslang on 26 May 2011, 10:43
I'm actually quite fond of Americano, for some reason.

It just tastes closer to what I expect coffee to taste than actual coffee. Still, I don't drink espresso by itself.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Tiogyr on 26 May 2011, 10:58
Best comparison I can come up with is to tell you to think of espresso like the hard liquor of coffee, while regular coffee is like your given beer of choice (it's even referred to and/or served as a "shot"). I'm sure someone can come up with a flaw in that comparison, but I think it works rather well (espresso tastes best when served in a "mixed drink" of the shot + milk/cream/whatever, etc.).
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 26 May 2011, 11:11
Brewed using a continous flow of water not over 195F and a paper filter.

Paper filter = fail. Paper absorbs the oils that basically holds a big part of the coffee flavour. If you're going to filter coffee, you'll get far better results using a gold filter, preferably in a ceramic housing.

Still, you're description of espresso is kind of off the mark. Kind of, because what you're describing there is what I've experienced from Starbucks. However, I've been to some places where the espresso is a luxurious, smooth delight and hardly described as bitter, easily as desirable as any filtered coffee. There is, after all, a reason why espresso based drinks are so prevalant on the continent. Worth bearing in mind that not all espresso uses cheap beans and they can be roasted for a range of time and/or temperatures.

So yes, espresso can be good coffee, the same way filtered coffee can be bad. It all comes down to that grey area of taste. For instance, my preference tends towards cafetiere coffee in the morning, espresso based coffee during the day and filtered coffee of an evening.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: pwhodges on 26 May 2011, 11:23
Paper filters remove oils which are implicated in raising blood cholesterol levels.  Taste vs  health, eh?
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 26 May 2011, 12:15
Yep, it's the same reason I don't filter bacon.

Although more seriously, there are greater health concerns in the modern western diet than the impact of coffee on cholesterol and even without those, a more holistic lifestyle approach to cardio-pulmonary health is more important than a diet management only approach. Sacrificing taste for health is often a false economy.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: pwhodges on 26 May 2011, 12:25
I doubt it has a serious impact on either taste or health, frankly.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 26 May 2011, 13:52
I described part of what caffeine does to me in the WCDT thread, but I'm also the recipient of what appears to be a family curse.  There's an amino acid in coffee (I forget the name) that burns a small amount of iron in the blood.  It's not related to the caffeine, either - it's in decaf, as well. 

My system over-reacts to this amino acid.  The same happened to two of my maternal uncles, and my maternal grandfather (my mother is unaffected, it seems to be a gender-biased reaction).  But it is definitely hereditary. 

After drinking two cups of coffee (OK, two 10-12 oz mugs), I would get pale and pass out in the afternoons.  I had not drank coffee regularly before college, this started my junior year when I started drink it more regularly.  I went to give blood, and the stick was so low in iron that the nurse asked me, "Why are you still conscious?" 

A visit to the doctor, and a long talk with my mother confirmed my condition.  More than an 8 oz cup of coffee a day = anemia, plain and simple, even with  iron supplements. 

And so, I am a tea-totaller.  My favorite (but I haven't seen it for years) was something called "Morning Thunder", which had a good strong blend of black tea and chickory, along with some cinnamon and vanilla flavors.  The caffeine level was somewhere between an avereage cup of coffee and an average single shot of espresso...

Just right!
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 26 May 2011, 14:46
I don't understand why cold-brew is so widely neglected. If you're not in a hurry, you get plenty of flavor out of the beans without risking overheating them.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Kugai on 26 May 2011, 17:11
Meh

I prefer Filter Coffee anyway
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: DSL on 26 May 2011, 17:35
I like the stuff out of the vending machines at the convenience stores ...
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: TheEvilDog on 26 May 2011, 17:40
Urgh. Coffee, the stuff makes me sick, literally. I have even the slightest taste of it I get extremely bad migraines for the whole day. (So its handy that I hate the stuff anyway  :-P)

Long live English Breakfast tea! :lol:
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Boomslang on 26 May 2011, 18:27
Urgh. Coffee, the stuff makes me sick, literally. I have even the slightest taste of it I get extremely bad migraines for the whole day. (So its handy that I hate the stuff anyway  :-P)

Long live English Breakfast tea! :lol:

I wonder what's in coffee that does that- it's definitely not the caffeine.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 26 May 2011, 18:43
Maybe it's that flippin' amino acid...  I didn't get headaches, but I'm told I was horribly irritable and snapped whenever I spoke. 

Then I'd faint.  Well, not always, but often enough. 

I don't understand why cold-brew is so widely neglected. If you're not in a hurry, you get plenty of flavor out of the beans without risking overheating them.

I think you answered your own question...  who the hell isn't  in a hurry to get their morning fix coffee? 
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: jwhouk on 26 May 2011, 20:00
I've generally preferred to get my caffeine from Diet Coke/Coke Zero or other similar drinks. I do indulge an occasional drink from *$ (Skinny Caramel Macchiato - yeah, yeah, I know), but most of the time the coffee I drink is mild French Roast with vanilla creamer and two Splenda packets.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: bicostp on 26 May 2011, 20:06
I just make Chase & Sanborn in a stovetop percolator with a bit of salt added and a paper towel as a filter. v(http://forums.questionablecontent.net/Smileys/default/undecided.gif)v
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 26 May 2011, 21:31
a stovetop percolator

They still make those? 
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Boomslang on 26 May 2011, 21:41
I'm pretty sure they mostly make percolators like that for camping nowadays, but you might get one that's usable on a stove top.

I know for sure there are a number drifting around thrift stores and yard sales in my area, might check those out. I've never been able to use one without having enough grounds escape the filter to basically be drinking it turkish style without the spices.


BTW, if you haven't had turkish coffee, it's very good.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: bicostp on 26 May 2011, 23:00
They still make those? 

Yup (http://www.target.com/Farberware-Classic-Yosemite-Stainless-Percolator/dp/B001IAYIPO/ref=sc_pd_gwb_1_title).

've never been able to use one without having enough grounds escape the filter to basically be drinking it turkish style without the spices.

That's where the paper towel comes in. Fold the ends over to completely enclose the grounds and use a decent brand and you shouldn't get much of anything floating in the coffee.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 27 May 2011, 00:38
Looks like they still make the glass ones (http://www.coffee-percolators.com/medelco8cupglassstovetoppercolator-p-2889.html), too! 

And they were designed for a much coarser grind than you get today, that's why you didn't need a filter... I remember the grinder at the A&P when I was a kid, with the different coarseness settings - from "perk" (coarse) through "drip" (fine) to "espresso" (extra fine). 

Of course, my grampa used to talk about "boathouse coffee" where the grounds were boiled in the bottom of the pot...   :-P
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: rje on 27 May 2011, 03:10
I drink Folgers with half a cup of Land o Lakes half-an-half (cold only! unless there's only powder but I prefer cold from the fridge) an 3 packets of equal, made in a 10 year old drip coffeemaker I bought for 8 bucks at a Goodwill when I got my own apartment for the first time. I can't believe the sumabitch still works. It's so stained I think you can see an impression of Jesus in the bottom of the pot.

AM I DOING IT RIGHT

but srsly all caffine is good caffine -u-
well except instant one-cup packets
i don't like those
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: TheBiscuit on 27 May 2011, 03:35
Espresso is OK. It is by no means my favourite way of preparing coffee though. It's entirely possibly that has to do with the type of bean and roast level employed at the typical espresso-centric coffee shop though. I absolutely cannot stand Starbucks coffee. I dare say some of the smaller, independant coffee shops do a decent cup of espresso.

Personally I prefer coffee from a French press. It doesn't seem quite so much of a brash and bold flavour as other types. I want my coffee to be a subtle experience and not a slap in the face. By way of beans I use Guatemalan coffee, medium roast. Sometimes Hawaiian Kona...
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Tiogyr on 27 May 2011, 03:39
I drink Folgers with half a cup of Land o Lakes half-an-half (cold only! unless there's only powder but I prefer cold from the fridge) an 3 packets of equal, made in a 10 year old drip coffeemaker I bought for 8 bucks at a Goodwill when I got my own apartment for the first time. I can't believe the sumabitch still works. It's so stained I think you can see an impression of Jesus in the bottom of the pot.

AM I DOING IT RIGHT

Folgers is seriously fucking up (only way I can make that nasty shit taste good is by putting some salt in the grounds prior to brewing, which sounds like something rancid but it actually makes a hell of an impact in the opposite direction than you'd expect), but other than that and your nasty coffeemaker (seriously, run some white vinegar through that thing a couple times and a few runs of water to rinse out the vinegar, you'll thank me later), you're still in the subjective taste range to not be too weird.

I like either Seattle's Best or Kona coffee for my drip coffee makers, but I'll use Maxwell House if I have to (Folgers is only for sheer desperation).

Screw Starbucks, the only way they make their coffee remotely drinkable is by putting so much sugar into it that you're essentially drinking a cup of liquid candy bar.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: mike837go on 27 May 2011, 04:46
Brewed using a continous flow of water not over 195F and a paper filter.
Paper filter = fail. Paper absorbs the oils that basically holds a big part of the coffee flavour. If you're going to filter coffee, you'll get far better results using a gold filter, preferably in a ceramic housing.

I like to use a paper filter for EXACTLY the reason you cite. I am looking for a 'fine wine' experience to espresso's hard liquor.

Call me even wimpier, I prefer 2% milk. Just enough for the coffee to be called light brown or dark tan.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Occams Meataxe on 27 May 2011, 04:46
If you're drinking coffee for the caffeine remember that espresso has less than lighter roasts. All the caffeine you're going to get is in the raw bean. The longer you roast it, the more is destroyed.

I'm partial to "white coffee", roasted to the yellow stage. Once you've had it you'll realize that every cup you've had is burnt and bitter. It has a nutty flavor, a lot like barley tea.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: orinosuke on 27 May 2011, 05:06
BTW, if you haven't had turkish coffee, it's very good.

I had myself plenty of it when I was in Turkey, it's fantastic. Definitely not for everyone though, it's quite strong compared to your typical filtered coffee.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: mike837go on 27 May 2011, 05:10
BTW, if you haven't had turkish coffee, it's very good.
I had myself plenty of it when I was in Turkey, it's fantastic. Definitely not for everyone though, it's quite strong compared to your typical filtered coffee.
Correct me if I'm gnorw:

Isn't Turkish coffee ground coffee beans in a small pot with water and sugar, boiled three times and served hot?
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: akronnick on 27 May 2011, 05:16
How has QC been around for as long as it has and this thread is only happening now?

It's a comic about hipsters that is set in a coffee shop. How in hell has it taken seven years before people started to get all 'SRS BZNESS!!!" about their favorite brew?

For the record, I don't drink coffee.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: mike837go on 27 May 2011, 05:24
[Dennis Rain voice]This kind of thing has happend before.[/Dennis Rain]

Check the WCDT when Hanners and then Angus tried the stuff for the first time.

It's a good thread for expressing strong opinions without offending anyone.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Occams Meataxe on 27 May 2011, 06:12
Correct me if I'm gnorw:

Isn't Turkish coffee ground coffee beans in a small pot with water and sugar, boiled three times and served hot?

Turkish coffee. Greek coffee. Arabic coffee. Yep. They're all made like that. Best with a pinch of cardamom  in the pot.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Welu on 27 May 2011, 06:30
I'm one of those people who'd probably get kicked out of CoD.

My favourite thing to get is a mint mocha out of a wee milkshake bar in my town. I even get my wimpy coffee out of a wimpy non-coffee house.  :-P
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Skewbrow on 27 May 2011, 07:00

Turkish coffee. Greek coffee. Arabic coffee. Yep. They're all made like that. Best with a pinch of cardamom  in the pot.

This. I'm sad to say my sister is more skilled at rationing the cardamom. I tend to overdo it, but it is truly grand, when you get it right.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: cat_rant on 27 May 2011, 09:12
Alas my coffee is contaminated by Soya Milk. I like dairy, it just doesnt like me. :(

I tend towards a middle of the road medium roast coffee. I love a good Latte.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 27 May 2011, 09:32
You and Angus.  My condolences - you miss the wonders of real cheese...
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Skewbrow on 27 May 2011, 10:12
Forgive me forum for I have sinned.

You see. I had this six hour stopover at an airport waiting for a connection to my small hometown, and I needed some coffee. There were two coffee shops to choose from. Neither seemed to have a really good selection of baked goodness from tSB. Neither was a CoD. At the other coffee shop there would be a 67% chance that my coffee would be served by a hairy dude instead of a hot barista. So I went to the other shop. And it was a Starbucks. For the record: I had a tall mocha and a cinnamon swirl.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: rje on 27 May 2011, 10:30
I drink Folgers with half a cup of Land o Lakes half-an-half (cold only! unless there's only powder but I prefer cold from the fridge) an 3 packets of equal, made in a 10 year old drip coffeemaker I bought for 8 bucks at a Goodwill when I got my own apartment for the first time. I can't believe the sumabitch still works. It's so stained I think you can see an impression of Jesus in the bottom of the pot.

AM I DOING IT RIGHT

Folgers is seriously fucking up (only way I can make that nasty shit taste good is by putting some salt in the grounds prior to brewing, which sounds like something rancid but it actually makes a hell of an impact in the opposite direction than you'd expect), but other than that and your nasty coffeemaker (seriously, run some white vinegar through that thing a couple times and a few runs of water to rinse out the vinegar, you'll thank me later), you're still in the subjective taste range to not be too weird.

I like either Seattle's Best or Kona coffee for my drip coffee makers, but I'll use Maxwell House if I have to (Folgers is only for sheer desperation).

Screw Starbucks, the only way they make their coffee remotely drinkable is by putting so much sugar into it that you're essentially drinking a cup of liquid candy bar.

But Folgers has a handle on the tub! A handle!
<D
But no really I mostly grab a coffee from a Speedway or something most of the time, since I never have time to make it at home anyway anymore, and idk what the stuff they have at work is. Business bulk-buy coffee. I've had Seattle's Best though, and good brands from french presses and the like...I just can't taste a difference. I mean I wish I could, friends have been 'omg isn't this coffee the best' and all I can say is 'it's sure...coffee flavored.' All I can tell is if a coffee is too strong or weak for me, but other than that, it just all tastes the same.
But to be honest, lots of cheeses, herbs, spices, meats, sauces, etc taste alike to me too. It's probably just my taste buds, expensive gourmet brands might as well be generic store brands for all the difference it makes to my mouth.
I do like the smell of more expensive coffees better though I will say that. Beans smell gud.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Arrgh on 27 May 2011, 11:00
Espresso is really about the grind (powder-fine) more than the beans or the roast, so you can use your favorite beans and roasting level for espresso rather than something marketed as an "espresso roast." It's not like espresso beans are any different from any other coffee bean; they come from the same trees. I have my own countertop roaster and a hand-grinder for ultimate quality control, though I haven't used either in a while, since it's much easier to just pop in to Starbucks (over-roasted mediocre coffee though it is).
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 27 May 2011, 11:02
But no really I mostly grab a coffee from a Speedway or something most of the time, since I never have time to make it at home anyway anymore, and idk what the stuff they have at work is. Business bulk-buy coffee. I've had Seattle's Best though, and good brands from french presses and the like...I just can't taste a difference. I mean I wish I could, friends have been 'omg isn't this coffee the best' and all I can say is 'it's sure...coffee flavored.' All I can tell is if a coffee is too strong or weak for me, but other than that, it just all tastes the same.
But to be honest, lots of cheeses, herbs, spices, meats, sauces, etc taste alike to me too. It's probably just my taste buds, expensive gourmet brands might as well be generic store brands for all the difference it makes to my mouth.

Are you a smoker?  'cause that'll kill your sense of taste quicker than anything.  I still can't understand how Anthony Bourdain has a job... must be his personality.  

Also, I haven't seen a Speedway since I left Indiana... what, 16 years ago?  I went there for college.  It took 15 years (three degrees, though).  Aren't they home-based in Indianapolis (hence the name)?  

Yes, this is a roundabout way of asking where you are located.  It's not just women.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: mike837go on 27 May 2011, 11:07

<snip> At the other coffee shop there would be a 67% chance that my coffee would be served by a hairy dude instead of a hot barista. So I went to the other shop.

DM'ing our lives, are we?

Consider yourself cited for extreme nerdism.

[Got that one from Registered Weapon (http://registered-weapon.com/) another fun web comic]
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 27 May 2011, 11:25
Related but non-duplicate thread about coffee (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,19816.0.html).
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: mike837go on 27 May 2011, 11:52
Related but non-duplicate thread about coffee (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,19816.0.html).

[Artie Johnson voice] Verrry Interesting [/Artie Johnson]
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: pwhodges on 27 May 2011, 14:37
My condolences - you miss the wonders of real cheese...

Since my heart attack my diet has had a dramatic reduction in animal fats in particular; so I only get to taste cheese once every couple of months now, instead of several times a week. 

I had cheese this evening, about ten minutes ago  :-) :-) :-)
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: jwhouk on 27 May 2011, 15:52
My condolences - you miss the wonders of real cheese...
Since my heart attack my diet has had a dramatic reduction in animal fats in particular; so I only get to taste cheese once every couple of months now, instead of several times a week. 

I had cheese this evening, about ten minutes ago  :-) :-) :-)

You wouldn't last here in Wisconsin (aka America's Dairyland). And if the cheese didn't get you, the beer and the bratwurst would.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: est on 27 May 2011, 20:47
If you want to set up an espresso straw man with "cheap beans. over-roasted" then sure, I can see how you'd think it was pretty shit.  Mass-market espresso beans (Vittoria, Lavazza, Mokador, etc) are pretty bad, but there is a mile of difference between those beans and decent stuff like Toby's Estate, Morgans, Campos, Jack & the bean and Caffe di Gabriel.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: cat_rant on 29 May 2011, 01:17
In work we have bean to cup coffee machines. They are not bad. I negotiated the new contract rates and consumables costs. I also chose the blend and strength of coffee. The only complaints I get are when they stop working ^_^. And yes I tend to fix them too. Most of the time I can sort it out rather than call out a technician.

Thanks fir the sympathy Carl-e, I miss cheese the most. You can get soya yogurts, icecreams and what not but all the cheese substitutes are horrific.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: The Seldom Killer on 29 May 2011, 23:43
My condolences - you miss the wonders of real cheese...
Since my heart attack my diet has had a dramatic reduction in animal fats in particular; so I only get to taste cheese once every couple of months now, instead of several times a week. 

I had cheese this evening, about ten minutes ago  :-) :-) :-)

You wouldn't last here in Wisconsin (aka America's Dairyland). And if the cheese didn't get you, the beer and the bratwurst would.

If you were to overlay an outline of Wisconsin on England centred on where Mr. Hodges lives, or indeed anywhere in the country, you would get a higher variety of cheeses. That's before you consider the ones we frequently import from the rest of Europe. To know of the quality available but to be so severely limited in their consumption would be too hard a road for me to tread.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: cat_rant on 30 May 2011, 04:48
My condolences - you miss the wonders of real cheese...

You wouldn't last here in Wisconsin (aka America's Dairyland). And if the cheese didn't get you, the beer and the bratwurst would.

MMMMM Beer! - Dang it!  it's only Monday afternoon I should not be wanting beer :D
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 30 May 2011, 10:37
Cold brew doesn't have to slow you down if you plan ahead: it produces a concentrate you can store in the fridge and still make good coffee out of.

I ended a sentence with two prepositions! For my next trick I'll write about the kid who didn't want to hear about the book about Australia.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: pwhodges on 30 May 2011, 11:31
(As quoted by Sir Ernest Gowers in Plain Words,  presumably.)
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: CompSarge on 30 May 2011, 13:48
Cold brew doesn't have to slow you down if you plan ahead: it produces a concentrate you can store in the fridge and still make good coffee out of.

I ended a sentence with two prepositions! For my next trick I'll write about the kid who didn't want to hear about the book about Australia.

I used to work for [name of coffee place omitted to avoid being sued] and we served cold brew coffee. Loved the stuff, and got my dad addicted to it. When the store ended up closing, my dad bought the commercial cold brew system from the store and started making it at home. A half-sized batch of the stuff lasts us for close to 3 weeks, so it's definitely worth it!
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Boomslang on 30 May 2011, 15:57
How do you serve cold brewed? I'm a fan of chilled coffee, but would you add hot water to the concentrate to heat it up, microwave it, or what?
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 30 May 2011, 15:59
Just heat water and stir it in.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: DoomMagnet on 30 May 2011, 19:29
Some people just love coffee of all kinds. I like the smell and have tried to like it. But to no avail. It is far too disgusting.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 30 May 2011, 22:20
With enough cream and sugar, you can drink damn near anything. 
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: CompSarge on 30 May 2011, 23:19
How do you serve cold brewed? I'm a fan of chilled coffee, but would you add hot water to the concentrate to heat it up, microwave it, or what?

actually, it's usually served as iced or frozen coffee drinks. I've never tried heating it up before. That could prove interesting...
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: idontunderstand on 01 Jun 2011, 02:03
I prefer cappucino but the only reason is that espresso makes me shake to the point where I resemble a Parkinson patient.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: rje on 01 Jun 2011, 11:10
But no really I mostly grab a coffee from a Speedway or something most of the time, since I never have time to make it at home anyway anymore, and idk what the stuff they have at work is. Business bulk-buy coffee. I've had Seattle's Best though, and good brands from french presses and the like...I just can't taste a difference. I mean I wish I could, friends have been 'omg isn't this coffee the best' and all I can say is 'it's sure...coffee flavored.' All I can tell is if a coffee is too strong or weak for me, but other than that, it just all tastes the same.
But to be honest, lots of cheeses, herbs, spices, meats, sauces, etc taste alike to me too. It's probably just my taste buds, expensive gourmet brands might as well be generic store brands for all the difference it makes to my mouth.

Are you a smoker?  'cause that'll kill your sense of taste quicker than anything.  I still can't understand how Anthony Bourdain has a job... must be his personality.  

Also, I haven't seen a Speedway since I left Indiana... what, 16 years ago?  I went there for college.  It took 15 years (three degrees, though).  Aren't they home-based in Indianapolis (hence the name)?  

Yes, this is a roundabout way of asking where you are located.  It's not just women.   :laugh:

*cough* Yee-eeesss...  I am now... I had quit for about 2 years and then fell off the wagon due to multiple stresses and now I um, need to quit again. D;  But I only smoke about a pack every two weeks so...that's not.......so bad? Aheh.
I don't know why I didn't think of that as the culprit, derp, but yea, I killed my tongue myself I guess.  Dx

And haha yea! I live in Indianapolis actually, and I grew up in southern Indiana, down near Evansville. And yea, they are, although I actually never put two and two together, haha xD I actually live about eight minutes from the Speedway racetrack -- this weekend was especially enjoyable, working third shift, staggering home to sleep and being serenaded when I finally get in bed by the lullaby of the race. 8D Like angels singing it was.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 01 Jun 2011, 22:50
When my wife and I were married (25 years ago last week), the Saturday in May we picked happened to be the Saturday of race weekend.  We weren't in Indy at the time (West Lafayette, I'm a former boilermaker), but the hotels were booked for two hours in any direction from Indy.  The visiting members of the wedding party were put up in single rooms we could find here and there all over the area...

For several years my in-laws lived in Brownsburg, practically across the street from the speedway.  They left town for the week of the race every year, just to avoid all the drunken fans. 
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: slydon on 02 Jun 2011, 01:56
I have a standard coffee pot, a percolator, and a keurig.
The coffee pot burns everything.. the only thing I can do is shove my cup under the stream and get some before the pot scorches it.
the percolator kind of sucks some of the flavor out of the coffee, but makes a great aroma in the process. Maybe I'm doing it wrong :/
The keurig is pretty good, but the little pods are expensive and typically make a very smooth but not super-strong cup. I think it gets the temperature right, but not quite the duration of brewing time necessary for a real strong cup. But there's an adapter out there that lets you brew your own stuff in there. It's pretty fun to try different bulk coffees that you buy by the pound and make your own samples to find what you like best.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: pwhodges on 02 Jun 2011, 02:00
I have no idea what you mean by "standard coffee pot".
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: akronnick on 02 Jun 2011, 02:43
Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER heat the container that the coffee rests in after the brewing process is complete. That's just asking for trouble. I don't even drink coffee and even I know that. If you have to brew more than one cup of coffee, store it in an insulated carafe, or better yet, a thermos.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Tiogyr on 02 Jun 2011, 03:24
I have a standard coffee pot, a percolator, and a keurig.
The coffee pot burns everything.. the only thing I can do is shove my cup under the stream and get some before the pot scorches it.
the percolator kind of sucks some of the flavor out of the coffee, but makes a great aroma in the process. Maybe I'm doing it wrong :/
The keurig is pretty good, but the little pods are expensive and typically make a very smooth but not super-strong cup. I think it gets the temperature right, but not quite the duration of brewing time necessary for a real strong cup. But there's an adapter out there that lets you brew your own stuff in there. It's pretty fun to try different bulk coffees that you buy by the pound and make your own samples to find what you like best.

Either your "Standard coffee pot" has a short in the element, or it's set far too high, because all that heating pad is supposed to do is keep it from cooling as rapidly as just sitting out on the table would do, not actually increase the temperature of the coffee. If you're coffee is scorching as it hits the bottom of the pot (but catching the stream in a cup doesn't), that is definitely the problem there. Throw that piece of shit drip brewer away and either get one of those drip brewers that stores the brewed coffee in semi-insulated reservoir inside the coffee maker itself (Hamilton Beach makes a decent one for fairly cheap) or figure out how to properly use your percolator.

Is your percolator an actual stove top percolator or a glorified drip brewer? If it's the second one, throw it away. If it's the first one, you're doing it wrong because if you do the first one right it will be the best coffee you've ever had.

Screw those pod coffee makers, if you're actually going for flavor (and not confusing "Bitter as fuck" with "strong cup of coffee"). Get an Aeropress (tm) coffee maker if you want a gimmick coffee maker that actually makes a decent cup of coffee, they're only like $20 on Amazon and make a good single cup at a time and you don't have to waste money on pods.

Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: slydon on 02 Jun 2011, 03:27
I have no idea what you mean by "standard coffee pot".
standard coffee pot = the $15 POS grad students can buy in walgreens
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: slydon on 02 Jun 2011, 03:37
 :roll:I thought I said that... the pods are convenient but too much $$$, but the adapter for course ground makes pretty decent brew-flavor, but low acidity and oil, which is important because my stomach is sensitive to the stuff.
One of my friends has an aeropress, I didn't watch his coffeemaking process like a hawk, but the end product was, as you said 'decent', but just barely. Might have been crap coffee for all I know.

The keurig itself was a gift, so it didn't cost anything :D
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: mike837go on 03 Jun 2011, 06:27
Within this discussion of espresso == hard liquor and cafe' americano == wine, the K-cup system would be cheep beer.

Fast and some kind of coffee-flavored beverage.

Kudos for getting it cheap.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: slydon on 04 Jun 2011, 03:57
Mega-ostentation aside, you're right,but if I spent $600-2000 on a true espresso machine, I'd either have to open a coffee place or shoot myself on principle.
My point was while the k cups are meh "cheap beer", you can actually use decent coffee in there and it won't royally screw it up like a $15 coffeepot or percolator.

So, just a question people, which would be less acidic, the aeropress or the french press?
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 04 Jun 2011, 05:19
My thesis advsor kept a french press in his office, and raved about such cofee.  I tried it once.  Tasted disgusting, and was full of grounds.  The man may have been a mathematical genius, but if that's what fueled it, it wasn't worth it. 

Of course, he was probably doing it wrong. 
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Tiogyr on 04 Jun 2011, 09:38
Mega-ostentation aside, you're right,but if I spent $600-2000 on a true espresso machine, I'd either have to open a coffee place or shoot myself on principle.
My point was while the k cups are meh "cheap beer", you can actually use decent coffee in there and it won't royally screw it up like a $15 coffeepot or percolator.

You can get a perfectly servicable cup of coffee out of a drip coffee maker, you just have to add some salt to the grounds before brewing to neutralize the acids that you get with that type of brewer (this turns nasty as hell coffee like Folgers into something that is actually drinkable).
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Jun 2011, 10:38
I accept that it works, but I don't understand it chemically. Salt is neither acidic nor basic, so it can't neutralize acids.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: FunkyTuba on 04 Jun 2011, 10:43
This has probably been talked about before on this forum, but here are my opinions about the different ways coffee can be made. Chime in if you like.

"Good coffee" is in the eye of the beholder. It depends on what your preferences are. I'd caution you to give each method a fair shot before dismissing it out of hand. Each one exists because someone somewhere thought it was a good idea that produces at least serviceable coffee.

Non-comprehensive list follows: if you know anything about one I missed, feel free to add it:
ApplicationGrindMethodResult if done properly
EspressoVery fine, almost sandlikeYou need as much surface area as possible because steam is in contact with the coffee for only about 20-30 seconds.Thick, syrupy, sour, intense shot-sized cup of coffee essence. I find it hard to pick up on the flavor notes that other people can
French PressVery coarsenot quite boiling water in contact with the coffee for 3-4 minutes. It's kind of like steeping tearich, rounded, full-flavored, and yes, some sludge in the bottom of the cup
DripSomewhere in the middleWater contacts the coffee once, extracts what it can, and drips out the bottom of the basketBrighter, harsher, somewhat bitter because the water gets a little too hot in most automatic coffeemakers
Urn-style PercolatorWhateverThe water boils up and is splooshed over the coffee over and over again so it's going to get every last little bit of flavor, good or bad, out of the coffeeBitter, overextracted, tired-tasting, but it does have caffeine
Pods/Keurigs/etcwho knowsthe pod machines do what they want and give you what they wantif you like what they provide and can afford it go for it

I'm not sure what kind of stove-top percolator Tiogyr is referring to, but I'd love to hear more.

As to beans: the market tends to favor dark roasted coffee (French Roast) because there's a perception that strong-tasting coffee is stronger/cooler/better. Coffee providers can provide that by taking cheap beans and roasting them dark, baby, dark, resulting in homogeneous-tasting blah coffee.

If you roast on the lighter side, two things happen: 1) The flavor notes stick around and you can start to taste the varietal flavors in the beans themselves rather than dark char 2) Less caffeine is burned off so you get an actually-stronger cup of coffee

As has been mentioned earlier, adding a bit of salt to cheaper coffee being brewed less carefully can make it more drinkable... to my palate it smooths out the flavors a bit, but I'll defer to Tiogyr on the chemistry.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Jun 2011, 10:57
I have the perfect recipe for a coffee, of any type.

Step 1. Throw coffee in to bin.
Step 2. Go to kettle, and add water to it, remember to switch it on.
Step 3. Get favourite cup/mug/mug shaped like cartoon character's head.
Step 4. Add tea bag to same.
Step 5. Add near boiling water to the cup/mug.
Optional Step 5a. You may or may not wish to add some form of sweetner or milk. Thats up to you.
Step 6. Stir tea bag well, and remove.
Step 7. Sit down, relax and drink tea.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: FunkyTuba on 04 Jun 2011, 10:59
"Is Tetley Really 'Good' Tea?"
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Jun 2011, 11:05
Actually I prefer Twinnings. But don't get me started on those bloody PG chimps.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Jun 2011, 12:16
Twinings has a good range; both their regional varieties and the blended English Breakfast.  My preferred everyday tea is Yorkshire Tea.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Jun 2011, 12:28
English Breakfast is my usual everyday tea, perfect for any time really. That said, I like the Raspberry, Strawberry and Loganberry tea some afternoons. And the Earl Grey is quite nice too.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 04 Jun 2011, 14:29
I'm afraid I drink a lot of Lipton's.  It's not bad, but  recall reading several years ago that Thomas Lipton pioneered the use of the paper fiber tea bag, allowing him to use what were called the "fannings" (essentially the tea-dust) that other manufacturers would discard, since it would go right through the linen bags or other steepers that were in common use at the end of the ninteenth century. 

Guy knew how to make a buck! 

I'm also fond of Earl Grey, and when I can find it, Darjeeling.  A friend once gave me a tin of what was called Russian Caravan Tea, it was delightfullly spiced, like a mild Indian chai.  But the flavored stuff is for the evenings - big travel mug o' Lipton, steeped for at least 10 minutes, lots of sugar for the mornings. 

Meh, it works. 
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Jun 2011, 14:30
Has anyone ever used one of these (http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/accessories/8e3a/)?  I'm somewhat tempted to get one.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: O8h7w on 04 Jun 2011, 15:21
I drink tea. Preferably with good-quality honey, which my grandmother gladly provides, and without milk. And without fruits and flowers in it, thankyouverymuch. Mostly just plain, black, tea.

And therefore I am not very fond of Lipton's Yellow Label, or just about any other tea that comes in paper bags. The paper bags themselves doesn't taste quite right to me. The best I've had so far was, IIRC, called Golden Label. But I don't recall the company name, so I can't find it, and I do recall that it was not available in my country - someone of my dad's colleagues brought it from London...


Hey, what has this to do with the comic anyways? It's even a long shot from the thread title. Heck, it's bedtime.  :psyduck:
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 04 Jun 2011, 18:01
Has anyone ever used one of these (http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/accessories/8e3a/)?  I'm somewhat tempted to get one.

Someone mentioned this earlier...  Ah yes,

So, just a question people, which would be less acidic, the aeropress or the french press?

Seems to me they both work on the same principle.  The Aero press seems to be a slight improvement as the grounds doesn't sit in the coffee, and it's better filtered, but they use paper filters, so you have the issue of losing oils again. Because of the filter it also uses a finer grind of coffee than a French Press, which just uses a screen, and so needs a coarse grind. 

Damned if I know which is less acidic...
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: TheEvilDog on 04 Jun 2011, 18:19
So, just a question people, which would be less acidic, the aeropress or the french press?

Make up some coffee in the aeropress and in the french press and dip some litmus paper into them. Thats the real acid test. (Well, the pH test...)
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: DoomMagnet on 04 Jun 2011, 22:58
Though not nearly as bad as coffee, tea is pretty bad to me. And I have tried a good deal different kinds.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: cat_rant on 05 Jun 2011, 02:27
I can't abide the taste of English breakfast tea or Earl grey. Any kind of tea that you serve with milk and sweetener is out for me. I am a coffee girl through and through. That being said I am partial to a cup of peppermint tea of the odd occasion. I like Bewleys peppermint tea as well as Twinning's or Clipper.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: jwhouk on 05 Jun 2011, 05:47
Meh. I had some family members long ago who didn't care much for tea. They dumped it out into the harbor or something.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Jun 2011, 06:50
Quite the opposite.  They liked tea so much that they wished to swim in it.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: pwhodges on 05 Jun 2011, 07:03
No one's even mentioned the way I make coffee in the office: coffee bags! (http://www.coffeeperfection.com/coffee-bags.php)  They're actually quite decent.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Tiogyr on 05 Jun 2011, 07:07
I accept that it works, but I don't understand it chemically. Salt is neither acidic nor basic, so it can't neutralize acids.

That was just psuedo-science babble. The truth is that the salt basically masks the bitter flavor and is a lazy-man's way of saying "Fuck getting the ground measurements and brew times just right, I'll just add some salt to cover the bitterness if I added too much coffee grounds brewer/percolator".

The trick is knowing how much salt to put in to mask the typical bitterness you get with a given measurement of coffee grounds (and brand, if you do store bought). The rancid shit Folger's puts out, for example, actually requires a tablespoon of salt per 12 cup pot where Maxwell House only requires a teaspoon (just for comparison). And yes, you add it prior to brewing, not to the actual cup (though you could put saline solution in the final cup of coffee and stir it around if you wanted to try it that way, it would still work but takes a bit more guesswork).

No one's even mentioned the way I make coffee in the office: coffee bags! (http://www.coffeeperfection.com/coffee-bags.php)  They're actually quite decent.

Every name brand coffee you can find at the store has those, and that isn't decent coffee at all (unless you're doing the salt trick).

I drink tea. Preferably with good-quality honey

Oh yeah, if you want something really good, try substituting honey for your usual sweetener in your next cup of coffee (though in a smaller quantity, a little honey goes a long way). Give it a second to melt in the coffee then stir it around really good to get the flavor distributed about then enjoy the true nectar of the gods!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: pwhodges on 05 Jun 2011, 07:22
Every name brand coffee you can find at the store has those, and that isn't decent coffee at all

Not in the UK - the Lyons ones are literally the only ones on the market, and are passably decent coffee if you have no practical access to any other means of making it (there are some much more expensive filters with the coffee built in, from Rombouts, but actually they aren't nearly so nice).
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Tiogyr on 05 Jun 2011, 08:10
Every name brand coffee you can find at the store has those, and that isn't decent coffee at all

Not in the UK - the Lyons ones are literally the only ones on the market, and are passably decent coffee if you have no practical access to any other means of making it (there are some much more expensive filters with the coffee built in, from Rombouts, but actually they aren't nearly so nice).

Ah. Over here Folgers, Maxwell House and whoever that third brand is all have their own versions of them.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: O8h7w on 05 Jun 2011, 08:38
the true nectar of the gods!  :mrgreen:

I'd say that is a hot chocolate - irish coffee crossover, made with honey of course... mmm... :)
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: jwhouk on 05 Jun 2011, 10:12
Ah. Over here Folgers, Maxwell House and whoever that third brand is all have their own versions of them.

Folgers, Maxwell House, Hills Brothers, Eight O'Clock Coffee (which is more whole-bean in the bag) and, of course, our friends at *$.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: akronnick on 05 Jun 2011, 11:06
I'd just like to say that this thread is awesome!!!

All of you, to a man, claim to enjoy drinking coffee, but to read what you've all written, it seems that unless the specific bean is prepared a specific way, the final product is complete shit.

You do realize what this makes you:

HIPSTERS!!!!!1111
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Boomslang on 05 Jun 2011, 11:56
I drink terrible coffee all the time- I just also drink good coffee sometimes too.

Same with tea.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: TheEvilDog on 05 Jun 2011, 11:56
I'd just like to say that this thread is awesome!!!

All of you, to a man, claim to enjoy drinking coffee, but to read what you've all written, it seems that unless the specific bean is prepared a specific way, the final product is complete shit.

You do realize what this makes you:

HIPSTERS!!!!!1111

Errr, I hate coffee.......
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Tiogyr on 05 Jun 2011, 16:29
I'd just like to say that this thread is awesome!!!

All of you, to a man, claim to enjoy drinking coffee, but to read what you've all written, it seems that unless the specific bean is prepared a specific way, the final product is complete shit.

You do realize what this makes you:

HIPSTERS!!!!!1111

(http://i.imgur.com/Y1rPA.jpg)
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: DSL on 05 Jun 2011, 19:12
I'd just like to say that this thread is awesome!!!

All of you, to a man, claim to enjoy drinking coffee, but to read what you've all written, it seems that unless the specific bean is prepared a specific way, the final product is complete shit.

You do realize what this makes you:

HIPSTERS!!!!!1111

Hey, I drink instant coffee and the pushbutton machine stuff from the convenience stores (gomvoice) AND I LIKE IT (/gomvoice). Sometimes even from vending machines. There are beans involved?
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: FunkyTuba on 05 Jun 2011, 20:37
...to read what you've all written, it seems that unless the specific bean is prepared a specific way, the final product is complete shit.

"Good coffee" is in the eye of the beholder. It depends on what your preferences are. I'd caution you to give each method a fair shot before dismissing it out of hand. Each one exists because someone somewhere thought it was a good idea that produces at least serviceable coffee.

I don't think you have read what we've all written.

Neither do I consider "Hipster" to be quite the epithet you seem to think it is :-P
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Visible_One on 07 Jun 2011, 22:00
Espresso made well is good coffee, yes. it's the only way you can get coffee in Italy.

But I love Greek coffee.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Kugai on 07 Jun 2011, 22:16
Espresso made well is good coffee, yes. it's the only way you can get coffee in Italy.

But I love Greek coffee.

Shit!
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Avec on 08 Jun 2011, 08:39
I'm planning on getting a french press for college. Any advice in that department?

I liked this model:
Code: [Select]
http://www.thecoffeebump.com/bodum-chambord-3-shatterproof.html
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: FunkyTuba on 08 Jun 2011, 09:08
The coffeeshop I got to  (and am currently posting from) sells various products from planetary design (http://www.planetarydesign.us) with the coffeeshop logo on it.

Here's their online retailer:  http://www.liquidplanet.com/estore/home.php?cat=69

Product Suggestion for Jeph/TopatoCo: Would love to buy one of these with the CoD logo on it



Edit: Can't believe I spelled jeph wrong  :oops:
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Smerf on 07 Jul 2011, 13:39
When I lived in southern California, I got the joy of drinking really good coffee from a small local chain.  Now I live back near Seattle and wont drink Starbucks (or Seattle's Best, which is owned by Starbucks).  Now, the coffee stand near my work that serves the best coffee is a bikini coffee stand.  Double the awesomeness!

What?  DON'T JUDGE ME.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Jul 2011, 23:20
I know Starbucks owns it, so is it weird that I think Starbucks coffee is fine (not great, but fine) but Seattle's Best is absolute shit?
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Smerf on 18 Jul 2011, 14:14
...yes.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: lepetitfromage on 19 Jul 2011, 08:38
I know Starbucks owns it, so is it weird that I think Starbucks coffee is fine (not great, but fine) but Seattle's Best is absolute shit?

nah, it's not weird, but you and Tiogyr should probably not go out for coffee any time soon.  :-P


I like either Seattle's Best or Kona coffee for my drip coffee makers, but I'll use Maxwell House if I have to (Folgers is only for sheer desperation).

Screw Starbucks, the only way they make their coffee remotely drinkable is by putting so much sugar into it that you're essentially drinking a cup of liquid candy bar.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Jul 2011, 18:18
Considering I drink their coffee black, it's safe to say the two of us disagree.  Also, anyone ever been to a Starbucks with a clover machine?  So fucking good.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 24 Jul 2011, 20:21
OK, I will show my ignorance. What is a clover machine?
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Method of Madness on 24 Jul 2011, 20:23
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/magazine/16-08/mf_clover

(Not sure why it says it's $4, it's only 50 cents more than regular coffee at my Starbucks, a large is usually about $3 after tax).
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 25 Jul 2011, 09:40
You probably don't live in Boston, DC, NYC, LA, or Frisco (where the reviewer lived).  Prices are elevated in these and other large metro areas. 

And that thing is pretentious as hell.  It's like a Bently - not as flashy as a Rolls, but dammit, it's still just a car coffeemaker.  What gets me is that even though it's automated as all get out, it still needs a barista to whisk the beans and water together (seriously?  You can't automate that?) and to squeegee away the grounds puck (again, WTF?  that can be done by a machine...).  I think it was designed so it doesn't create more unemployment! 

I'll have to take one and retro fit the appropriate automated attachments for the home user. 

I can see it now - hordes of former Starbuckians with signs saying, "Will barista for food"
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 25 Jul 2011, 11:34
A coffee machine with an Ethernet port could converse with Winslow (http://questionablecontent.net./view.php?comic=1001).
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: DSL on 25 Jul 2011, 11:35
At my local supermarket, there is a Starbucks stand. A minor evil pleasure of mine is to walk by it to the deli counter, where there is a coffee vending machine that will take my 50 cents and allow me to push buttons for coffee as strong and sweet as I like it, with flavorings if I like. Fun, even on nights when I don't want coffee.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 25 Jul 2011, 12:08
I ... I ....

I think I love you. 


damn.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: mike837go on 27 Jul 2011, 05:41
Down boy!

You're already married.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 27 Jul 2011, 06:13
I'll try and keep it platonic. 
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: DSL on 27 Jul 2011, 08:49
We can be friends.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: jwhouk on 04 Aug 2011, 13:40
I have discovered a wonderful little coffee shop here in the Great North Woods. Eclectic style and pretty darn good coffee - and cheaper than *$.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 04 Aug 2011, 18:45
Ooh, what's it called?  Next trip to Mayo we'll stop by and trash the place...

 :-D
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Aug 2011, 18:53
Are there any good places to go in New Jersey for coffee?

(Before someone mentions it, yeah, I just used "good" and "New Jersey" in the same sentence.  I'm as surprised as you.)
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 04 Aug 2011, 18:56
You mean besides Dunkin Donuts?
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Aug 2011, 18:57
I used to like Dunkin Donuts.  Then they started making their Dark Roast, which was easily the best coffee I'd ever had from them.  And then they stopped making it, so fuck Dunkin Donuts.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: jwhouk on 05 Aug 2011, 06:32
Ooh, what's it called?  Next trip to Mayo we'll stop by and trash the place...

 :-D

No, I am NOT letting you come and destroy the only indie train-station-themed coffee shop in Merrill!



...oops.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 05 Aug 2011, 06:42
'sallright.  It'll be awhile before we can fund that trip anyway! 
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: cat_rant on 06 Aug 2011, 09:17
Starbucks chains in Ireland are so fricking expensive! I can get a nicer coffee elsewhere for like half the price. Were I work is like coffee shop central and I want to support the little coffee place across the way. The staff are lovely and stuff, but their blend is just too bitter. Even in a  caramel latte its so sharp it is just not enjoyable. I settle for the coffee shop next door mainly because the staff know my bevvie of choise now when they see me and I  can nip in and out inside the 5 minutes I manage to get to myself during the working day.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Coffee_Kaioken on 06 Aug 2011, 10:25
A key thing is to keep your coffeemaker clean - a lot of people don't even rinse the carafe or basket before brewing more coffee the next day, they just throw out grinds, put new ones in, fill the reserve with water and that's it. Because I don't make coffee much these days, that mistake happened (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/amitojbatra/2105896d.jpg) to me (well, it took 3 weeks).

I find that personally it just causes me to sleep more the next morning if I don't force myself awake to get my "fix" (such as lazy Saturday mornings), and I also found that it just aggravated my anxiety conditions more than I needed them to be; if I have coffee and then experience something that would just normally annoy me, I get super pissed off; if I experience something that would normally just make me nervous, I freak out/panic, and so on/so forth. Granted, if I'm going be having a fun time later, it makes that more exciting too - when me and my friends were going to see the Scott Pilgrim movie, I intentionally drank more coffee beforehand to get more hyped up about it.

If you're drinking coffee for the caffeine remember that espresso has less than lighter roasts. All the caffeine you're going to get is in the raw bean. The longer you roast it, the more is destroyed.

I'm partial to "white coffee", roasted to the yellow stage. Once you've had it you'll realize that every cup you've had is burnt and bitter. It has a nutty flavor, a lot like barley tea.

That concept makes me think of Coffee Fool (http://www.coffeefool.com/), which, while ridden with obvious sales tactics, has also received some credit amongst customers. Nonetheless, it did make me curious as to what kinds of coffees were out there that didn't require cream or sugar; even from my local coffee house, I still add half-and-half and a little bit of Sugar in the Raw. I don't need my coffee to taste "sweet", the point of the sugar is just to nullify any bitterness or bad taste.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Method of Madness on 06 Aug 2011, 23:52
Pleasantness or unpleasantness of doing so aside, would eating the amount of coffee beans that'd go in one cup of coffee give you the same benefits as drinking that cup of coffee?
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: akronnick on 07 Aug 2011, 00:35
It would probably multiply the effects of the coffee in question to "don't try this at home" magnitudes.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Aug 2011, 01:17
Well I have tried it.  I mean, not to that extent, but I've eaten a few here and there.  They're tasty in an odd, bitter way.  I wonder if it would be easier to grab a handful to munch on in the morning rather than making coffee.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Carl-E on 07 Aug 2011, 01:30
I think one of the advantages of coffee as a morning beverage (rather than a crunchy snack food) is that you can  easily add cream and sugar. 


Of course, there are always those chocolate-covered coffee beans...  yum...
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Method of Madness on 07 Aug 2011, 07:37
You can, but I prefer it black, so that's moot.  Also, I don't really like hot coffee, and iced coffee is tricky to make without diluting it too much (you have to make it stronger first, then add ice), so I'm not seeing any negatives to switching to coffee beans.  I won't need to do this until I start student teaching, but that's only a few weeks away.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: lepetitfromage on 08 Aug 2011, 07:18
Of course, there are always those chocolate-covered coffee beans...  yum...

those are little morsels of heaven on earth.

it's a good thing I haven't found anywhere that sells them for cheap or I'd be in a constant state of caffeine induced delirium.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: mike837go on 24 Aug 2011, 08:10
Pleasantness or unpleasantness of doing so aside, would eating the amount of coffee beans that'd go in one cup of coffee give you the same benefits as drinking that cup of coffee?

At the coffee shop I used to work at we had chocolate-covered espresso beans.

2 of 'em gave a better buzz than a 20 oz coffee!
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: EnriqueAcosta on 16 Oct 2011, 11:21
Then you sir have never had coffee from a Slayer machine drawn by a barista master. OH goodness so smooth and velvety and delicious.  Of course as a coffee geek I too have my favorite method (light roast cold crewed overnight then strained through a cotton filter with a little milk a sugar)  but this was just heavenly.
Title: Re: Is Espresso Really 'Good' Coffee?
Post by: Akima on 16 Oct 2011, 21:15
I think one of the advantages of coffee as a morning beverage (rather than a crunchy snack food) is that you can  easily add cream and sugar. 
It is certainly better than putting milk and sugar in tea. *shudder* Such barbarism!