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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: Wilshire on 04 Aug 2011, 06:14

Title: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Wilshire on 04 Aug 2011, 06:14
Does this mean Martin is feminine or Dora is masculine?
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Aug 2011, 06:59
No, of course not.

The similarity of Dora's and Marten's* hair for much of the history of QC has been remarked on frequently in the forums, and by the characters themselves in a few strips (e.g. here (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=374) and here (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=992)).  There was also a guest strip (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=955) in which a sex-change occurred, making them look identical.


* Also note the spelling of Marten.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: mike837go on 04 Aug 2011, 08:11
C'mon. They look nothing alike!

Dora's eyes are brown and Martin's are blue.

Geez, people. Pay attention!
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Aug 2011, 08:17
The thread for not being able to spell Marten even when it has just been pointed out...
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: mike837go on 04 Aug 2011, 09:56
Deliberate misspeling because of the sillyness of the thred in generel!

Martin = Classic spelling of a man's name

Marten = A kind of bird and the manatee-on-codine we all know and love!
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: pwhodges on 04 Aug 2011, 11:24
And Marten is also a name (e.g., as in Doc Marten).
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Carl-E on 04 Aug 2011, 18:44
Quote from: Andy147 on 04 Aug 2011, 11:11
Quote from: mike837go on 04 Aug 2011, 09:56
Martin = Classic spelling of a man's name

Marten = A kind of bird and the manatee-on-codine we all know and love!

marten = A kind of mammal; the bird is "martin".

More specifically, a type of weasel.  Cute, but still a weasel. 

(http://bss.sfsu.edu/holzman/courses/Fall%2003%20project/marten3.jpg)
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: akronnick on 04 Aug 2011, 18:48
There's also a trucking company called Marten that uses a bird in its logo.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Carl-E on 04 Aug 2011, 18:56
That's alright, corporate names and logos are allowed artistice license. 


My favorite is the pickup truck cap maker Leer, whose logo is a crown underneath which it says "Leer - King of Caps"




C'mon, King Leer?  Really? 
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Method of Madness on 04 Aug 2011, 19:00
Quote from: mike837go on 04 Aug 2011, 08:11
Dora's eyes are brown and Martin's are blue.
I intended to reply with a joke post mentioning "Jeff", but holy shit, I've never noticed this before.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Is it cold in here? on 04 Aug 2011, 21:01
The unusual combination of black hair and blue eyes has drawn attention in the strip before. It runs in the family.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: TinPenguin on 05 Aug 2011, 04:50
Quote from: Carl-E on 04 Aug 2011, 18:44
More specifically, a type of weasel.  Cute, but still a weasel. 

Type of mustelid, not weasel. :x Same family, same subfamily, different genus. Martens are as closely related to badgers as they are to weasels.

THIS THREAD IS NOW ABOUT MUSTELIDS.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Welu on 05 Aug 2011, 06:11
Quote from: Method of Madness on 04 Aug 2011, 19:00
Quote from: mike837go on 04 Aug 2011, 08:11
Dora's eyes are brown and Martin's are blue.
I intended to reply with a joke post mentioning "Jeff", but holy shit, I've never noticed this before.

I noticed it when rereading the strip a while back and noticed most of the cast have brown eyes.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Carl-E on 05 Aug 2011, 06:41
Except Hanner's, which are a vibrant green. 
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Aug 2011, 20:26
I am terrible at remembering eye color.  Looking back at the few girls I've dated, I looked at their eyes plenty, and probably thought they were nice, but I haven't the foggiest what color any of them had.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: DSL on 05 Aug 2011, 21:19
But wasn't that the first question they asked you? Because, you know, their eyes are UP HERE, buddy.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Aug 2011, 22:32
Yeah, and I'd never know, even if I was looking directly at them a minute ago.  I don't know why.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Carl-E on 05 Aug 2011, 22:41
I don't notice eyecolor either, but that has more to do with my own eyesight than anything else.  I'm only correctable to about 20/40, just good enough to drive.  My glasses are extraordinarily powerful, and make everything look smaller (and curved).  So small details like irises are just not in the picture....


Literally. 

Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Method of Madness on 05 Aug 2011, 23:23
See, at least you have an excuse.  I can tell what color someone's eyes are, but I have to actually think about it to notice what color they are, and I won't store that knowledge.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Akima on 07 Aug 2011, 18:44
Quote from: Carl-E on 04 Aug 2011, 18:56
My favorite is the pickup truck cap maker Leer, whose logo is a crown underneath which it says "Leer - King of Caps" C'mon, King Leer?  Really?
Not only is that the sort of pun I tend to perpetrate, but it suggests that the Pun Perp :police: in question is entirely unfamiliar with the play. Things really don't turn out well for King Lear.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: mike837go on 26 Aug 2011, 09:35
Didn't he have a jet or something?
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2011, 09:55
No, no, he's just fly like a G6.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: jwhouk on 26 Aug 2011, 12:29
But I thought he was flyin' on the G5 (G5)...
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: DSL on 26 Aug 2011, 14:33
Leavin' on a jet plane, don't know when he'll be back again ...
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Method of Madness on 26 Aug 2011, 23:14
Nobody's leaving on a jet plane, but somebody might get put on a bus...
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: jwhouk on 27 Aug 2011, 04:37
Just get on the bus, Gus. Make a new plan, Stan. Just drop off the key, Lee...
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Carl-E on 27 Aug 2011, 06:54
And set yourself free! 



...which reminds me of a line when I did midnight shows for Rocky Horror.  At one point, Riff Raff is lovingly fondling a lever on the "reactor" before pulling it, and our audience line was "there must be 50 ways to love your lever"!
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Skewbrow on 27 Aug 2011, 07:15
To my surprise I could find that record easily enough. Too bad my turntable is buried under a pile of other stuff. Should I do something rash like google for a youtubed version? Nah,  it's the end of the blueberry season, and missus tells me that it will be raining tomorrow, so... "the answer is easy if you take it logically"

Here's to hoping Irene hasn't slapped any of you in the face.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: questionablecontentfan on 30 Aug 2011, 16:07
I had been under the impression that Dora is somewhat androgynous.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Aug 2011, 16:33
Somewhat, yeah.  It really varies, considerably less so when she had long hair.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: questionablecontentfan on 30 Aug 2011, 16:57
I don't think it varies all that much...but maybe that's just me.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Carl-E on 30 Aug 2011, 19:49
I never really found her androgynous.  Thin, yes; but most definitely feminine, in appearance, attitude and demeanor.  A strong feminine, mind you - no stereotypical "lil' ol' me" crap.  But far enough from masculine to be un-androgynous.  Or non-drogynous. 

Whatever. 
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: questionablecontentfan on 30 Aug 2011, 20:01
Definitely not to the extent that, let's say, Tai is, but yes, I have always found Dora to be somewhat androgynous. Again, this could be solely my perception...

I don't think any of the female characters are overly girly but Dora..it's hard to pin it down exactly.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Method of Madness on 30 Aug 2011, 20:06
If any were, I'd say Raven and maybe Cosette.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: questionablecontentfan on 30 Aug 2011, 20:22
They're girly but not overly so. Mind you, what I consider very girly and what you do may differ. I think skirts, dresses, pink, makeup, nail polish, hair perfectly done. That doesn't describe any women in QC.

But yeah, Raven definitely rocks the red lipstick and the monroe. lol.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Carl-E on 30 Aug 2011, 21:02
makes me think of the girl next door (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc1ysEw9820&feature=related)
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: questionablecontentfan on 30 Aug 2011, 21:11
wrong thread, sorry.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: TinPenguin on 31 Aug 2011, 04:12
Quote from: questionablecontentfan on 30 Aug 2011, 20:01
Definitely not to the extent that, let's say, Tai is, but yes, I have always found Dora to be somewhat androgynous. Again, this could be solely my perception...

No, I agree. It's simple (though not perfect) logic.
1. Dora looks like Marten.
2. Marten is not androgynous.
=> Dora is androgynous.

Not wholly, but yes, a little bit. Short hair, thin, smallish boobs, these are classic aspects of female androgyny.
Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: questionablecontentfan on 31 Aug 2011, 09:40
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1881

When I first saw Dora in this comic, my first impression of her was androgyny. Obviously not as much as Tai, but still noticeable. Her short hair, small chest, clothes, stuff like that. I'm sure that it was an intentional choice on Jeph's part...I live near the area where this story takes place, and I see girls like Dora when I am in Northampton often. So I guess I might say that I have firsthand knowledge...lol.

Title: Re: Haircut Martin looks just like Dora!!!
Post by: Carl-E on 31 Aug 2011, 10:19
See, I always thought androgyny had to be more than just things like clothes and haircuts.  Sure, you can mistake a lot of people for the opposite gender from a bit of a distance, but if you get close, they're clearly female (as was/is Dora) or male.  To me androgyny needed a little bit more - standing near them, even on a second or third look, you're still getting mixed signals. 

I think of Julie Andrews in Victor/Victoria, or John Leguizamo in To Wong Foo thanks for everything, Julie Newmar.  Or that episode of Bones (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1248447/), where a Japanese "kei" leaves everyone working there wondering what his/her gender is after a week of close collaboration.  Angela finds out at the end by giving him/her a hug.  The results were ...
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