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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: jwhouk on 01 Jun 2013, 19:57
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And here you go, another week in the books. Paddle away! :-D
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Is it late in the evening?
Will Marten be a gentleman and offer to walk Claire home?
Is Claire afraid to walk home after dark? The likelihood of her being attacked is distressingly real.
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But then who will walk Marten back?!
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Momo?
I wonder if there's a market for AnthroPC bodyguards.
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Momo? I wonder if there's a market for AnthroPC bodyguards.
I'm imagining Momo with an aikido subroutine... Along with the built in lightning gun...
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Or Pintsize in his samurai armour. With optional paddle.
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Aikido? Why not kendo (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1485)?
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There are all sorts of issues with carrying a sword in public.
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I wonder if there's a market for AnthroPC bodyguards.
Market? Surely! But I'm not sure what the AIs would think about it. If they are still somewhat struggling with basic rights, then the anti AI rights political faction would surely try to use any incidents of an AI body guard using excessive force against them. Or, who would be legally responsible, if something went wrong? Hmm. I think that was discussed to death some time ago?
But if a Deathbot with laser sidearms is not ok, what about Gordon? Would he be an effective deterrent?
There are all sorts of issues with carrying a sword in public.
Even if sheathed?
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Even if sheathed. A shikomizue (Japanese sword-cane), however, could work.
Momo could practice Panzer Kunst, though.
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There are all sorts of issues with carrying a sword in public.
Good thing kendo only uses sticks that look like swords. Which is why I refuse to practice kendo as it happens.
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Even if sheathed. A shikomizue (Japanese sword-cane), however, could work.
Momo could practice Panzer Kunst, though.
Sword canes would count as a concealed weapon though.
And in any event a confident attitude and not looking like a target while staying clear of the danger areas is your best defense. That and a section of infantry with automatic weapons and a radio.
So, here it was 10:30 on a Sunday morning and I thought to do the WCDT for the week to give JW a bit more of a break, only find that he'd gotten a real early start on the week. Maybe next time.
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There are all sorts of issues with carrying a sword in public.
By definition kendo is only practiced with shinai (what Momo is holding, also wielded once by Pintsize, which I mentioned in the last thread), basically bundled bamboo rods in a swordish shape. Outside of anime, the worst they can do is bruise or pinch. You can probably carry it anywhere, although you'll earn odd looks for being out of the ordinary, because if you don't know what it is it's not very threatening, and if you do know what it is, it's still not very threatening. Using actual swords is called kenjutsu.
Which is why I refuse to practice kendo as it happens.
Why? :?
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Apparently I'm the only one who voted for momo...
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Apparently I'm the only one who voted for momo...
Most of them are already considered initiated. My read is that Emily was the logical choice,and Faye was the funny choice.
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I wonder what a paddling would mean to Momo.
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Live Eel Ejection?
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She's passionate about her dignity but also about being treated like a human being.
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That's one of the things I really like about last Friday's strip - Claire's indulging Pintsize, and it's making his day.
You don't indulge things to make their day - you do that to people (and sometimes pets). She's treating Pintsize, if not as an equal, as the child of a friend.
More importantly, as a person.
I think it speaks a lot to her character.
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I think it would be a bit hypocritical of her not to...
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Or maybe it's not about the bot and Claire just likes being paddled.
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That's what I'm saying, it's not about the bot, but I don't think it's that she likes the paddlin'. Maybe she just doesn't like to disappoint?
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I think Jeph just likes butt jokes.
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I think Jeph just likes butt jokes.
That is, of course, the correct answer both logically and according to Occam's Razor. As such, it has no place here.
That's one of the things I really like about last Friday's strip - Claire's indulging Pintsize, and it's making his day. You don't indulge things to make their day - you do that to people (and sometimes pets). She's treating Pintsize, if not as an equal, as the child of a friend. More importantly, as a person. I think it speaks a lot to her character.
On the other hand, we've never seen them treated as lesser beings by anyone, just beings that are easier to stuff in fridges when naughty and other vaguely comedic sociopathic things. We've never seen one say, get shut off for being annoying like C3P0. It might alter the tone of the comic, but it would be interesting to see a character that was prejudiced against AIs.
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That's one of the things I really like about last Friday's strip - Claire's indulging Pintsize, and it's making his day. You don't indulge things to make their day - you do that to people (and sometimes pets). She's treating Pintsize, if not as an equal, as the child of a friend. More importantly, as a person. I think it speaks a lot to her character.
(http://i.imgur.com/TwSw2Qs.jpg)
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The only mention of prejudice against AI was in 2201 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2201) I think.
I think a AI-phobic character is more likely than a Homophobic, Trans-phobic, or [Any other group marginalized by society]-phobic character, but still probably wouldn't happen.
Also, I didn't have time to read any of last week's WCDT, but on the topic of the initiation paddle, did anyone mention Claire's reaction at a perceived hazing shortly after her introduction (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2205)
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Joysticks > paddles (at least on the Apple II, not necessarily on the Atari 2600 though).
And I'm not making a double entendre on purpose.
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Re: Poll I was thinking that the Cosette/Steve dynamic probably has some paddling in it
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COMIC!
How Pintsize would earn the money is terrifying. :psyduck:
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COMIC!
How Pintsize would earn the money is terrifying. :psyduck:
People pay for good smut, no matter the fetish.
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Blackmailing! He has... tactics. A sort of scatological Judo (http://www.questionablecontent.net/1651).
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People pay for good smut, no matter the fetish.
Wouldn't most people ask their own AnthroPCs? I suppose not everybody has similar reservations to Marten (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=01) or Hanners (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1223).
I think whatever Pintsize would do would involve a sombrero, a matryoschka doll, and the ISS.
Ooooh, poll request! "What would Pintsize use to earn money? (up to three options)" with a few random items to choose from.
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Which is why I refuse to practice kendo as it happens.
Why? :?
I find it insulting in the same way I find sport/olympic fencing insulting. One does not take a weapon art and making an amusing game out of it. If you are going to use a weapon. Then learn to use and respect the real thing. Whether that's a stick (Escrima death matches were legal till the 1940s and lasted an average of seconds), your own body, a spear, a gun or a sword. [/proud warrior race guy]
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That's a strange looking cash register... and it looks even stranger in panel 3. Come to think of it, I can't remember a strip that gave the view from behind the CoD counter.
Faye's phrasing in panel 3 also struck me as odd.
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That is of course, the correct answer, both logically and according to Occam's Razor. As such, it has no place here.
I hope I still remember this the next time I update my signature.
Marten powered down Pintsize when Padma slept over. It's probably not something people would do with a human roommate.
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That's a strange looking cash register... and it looks even stranger in panel 3. Come to think of it, I can't remember a strip that gave the view from behind the CoD counter.
There's been a few since around the time the artwork changed drastically (around 1400?). Here is one of the register (mostly a side view) in the 1500's. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1514)
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I wonder what happens if Faye does move out.
Oh hey, maybe Claire is looking for a place?
(Because hell knows Marten hasn't had enough room-mate UST in his life yet.)
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There are all sorts of issues with carrying a sword in public.
Even if sheathed?
In Australia at least, even with unsharpened edges, sheathed, and in a bag. Australian taijiquan and other martial-arts groups have been trying to get this sorted out for years. Basically, it is down to the judgement of the individual police officers you happen to bump into, so it is best to carry your sword in a bag that conceals its shape.
I find it insulting in the same way I find sport/olympic fencing insulting. One does not take a weapon art and making an amusing game out of it.
So... Olympic 50m pistol is out? Clay pigeon shooting? Biathlon? The sort of shooting contest depicted in Magnum Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtj6hsByDYk) (I don't know what it would properly be called)? Don't you and your shooting-buddies compete for scores, or who can shoot the smallest group, or whatever? How do you train in any martial art, armed or weaponless, without making it essentially a game? You can't actually deliver lethal strokes on the practice mat, so the process becomes a competition for touches or points. On the other hand, for example, many traditional shifu do take a dim view of competition styles which are pretty much wholly divorced from martial training, no matter how skilled the practitioners (and Chai Fong Ying is very very good). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr9P0Q6Ksuo).
What on earth is Faye wearing? Is this actually a style in the USA? The colour is good for her, but... It also seems to be "wear white belts to work day", and white belts are naff IMHO, but YMMV of course.
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The dress Faye is wearing is mid-20th Century US Waitress. I suspect she found it in the local thrift shop.
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INITIATION PADDLE TIME! Who needs to be next?
Emily! 8 (20%)
Angus! 0 (0%)
Marigold! 2 (5%)
Sven! 4 (10%)
Dale! (Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnggg.) 5 (12.5%)
Tai! 3 (7.5%)
Momo! 2 (5%)
Dora!(?) 1 (2.5%)
FAYE! (It's long overdue) 12 (30%)
Waffles! 0 (0%)
Spathe Ham! 1 (2.5%)
Paddles are so cliche. 2 (5%)
Total Members Voted: 40
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Of course, you've forgotten that Marigold will also need help with the rent - while Tai is undoubtedly going to need someplace off campus when she graduates - Jeph's trying to set up Three's Company again, isn't he?
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Re: new poll:
I'm pretty sure Pintsize does offer subscriptions already. Just remember the offer he made for Hanners…
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I doubt Angus will stop trying to get a job in the city if he doesn't get this one, and he'll probably get one eventually.
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The dress Faye is wearing is mid-20th Century US Waitress. I suspect she found it in the local thrift shop.
Really? I just thought someone came in and vomited 70's all over her.
Mr Furley called. Even HE doesn't want that outfit back.
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You don't indulge things to make their day - you do that to people (and sometimes pets). She's treating Pintsize, if not as an equal, as the child of a friend.
More importantly, as a person.
I think it speaks a lot to her character.
+1 Insightful. On many levels.
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I think it would be a bit hypocritical of her not to...
Also Insightful. If this world is like ours, she'd have no excuse. The fact that she's been careful about who she tells implies that it's something rather less socially acceptable than, say, being left-handed.
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That's a strange looking cash register... and it looks even stranger in panel 3. Come to think of it, I can't remember a strip that gave the view from behind the CoD counter.
There's been a few since around the time the artwork changed drastically (around 1400?). Here is one of the register (mostly a side view) in the 1500's. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1514)
That's not the only thing that's changed since 1514. Back then, Dora's look was more androgynous; there was one comic (couldn't be bothered finding it) which implied she and Marten liked the fact they were somewhat similar in appearance. Now she's rocking lipstick and a skirt at work (previously seen only when she's on a date).
I wonder if it's because she wants to be different to Tai. Her new relationship likely has a different dynamic, (although IMO different more because of her current and her ex's very different personalities, rather than their different genders) which may somehow make distinction feel better than similarity.
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katsmeat, I like your take on that change. That reminds me of the arc where Dora started to grow out her hair dye and go blonde. She might very well have been trying to distinguish what seemed like a lasting relationship in its honeymoon phase and the different dynamic that she had with Marten.
I'm happy to see that Dora is becoming comfortable enough to change like this again, I was starting to worry that her character development was put on hold since she's been seen less and less.
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She forgot to change outfits after leaving the Space:1999 convention.
The Cash Register's an Autobot.
I shudder to think what Pintsize would consider an 'Acceptable Job'
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I shudder to think what, if anything, Pintsize would consider an unacceptable job. :-o
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I find it insulting in the same way I find sport/olympic fencing insulting. One does not take a weapon art and making an amusing game out of it.
So... Olympic 50m pistol is out? Clay pigeon shooting? Biathlon? The sort of shooting contest depicted in Magnum Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtj6hsByDYk) (I don't know what it would properly be called)? Don't you and your shooting-buddies compete for scores, or who can shoot the smallest group, or whatever? How do you train in any martial art, armed or weaponless, without making it essentially a game? You can't actually deliver lethal strokes on the practice mat, so the process becomes a competition for touches or points. On the other hand, for example, many traditional shifu do take a dim view of competition styles which are pretty much wholly divorced from martial training, no matter how skilled the practitioners (and Chai Fong Ying is very very good). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr9P0Q6Ksuo).
The Olympic shooting competitions lost credibility with me when they started using lasers for some competitions, clay shooting is solid tracking and movement training and is useful for actually killing delicious birds, not to mention again, tracking, moving target shooting, etc. I was more leaning towards the second point though, competition styles (kendo, olympic fencing, certain forms of point sparring) aren't martial training, I certainly don't claim to be at the level of a sifu, sensei, or any other master (I turned down a black belt specifically because I don't feel I'm at that point yet) but I concur with that view point which is fairly common in martial communities, but again I'm the kind of individual who would happily join the dog brothers (http://www.theodorekaye.com/wp-content/uploads/Japan_Culture_07.jpg) if they were in my area. So feel free to take my view points as the hate speech on sporterized martial arts that it is.
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Abstinence-only sex educator?
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Anything involving the word "qwerty". (Moderation of a keyboard forum, maybe?)
(A word so offensive to AIs that PINTSIZE recoiled in horror.)
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In that case, I wonder what Dvorak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard) means...
(and I really didn't know that there was only aq distant relation to the composer... and that it's not pronounced that way.)
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Pintsize would peddle secret film of Marten with Dora and Faye with Angus.
Yes he would.
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Pintsize might find cat-sitting unpalatable as a job.
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Really? I just thought someone came in and vomited 70's all over her.
Mr Furley called. Even HE doesn't want that outfit back.
What, seriously? That dress is awesome. If there was one good thing the 60s/70s gave us it was clothes like that.
Also
What on earth is Faye wearing? Is this actually a style in the USA? The colour is good for her, but... It also seems to be "wear white belts to work day", and white belts are naff IMHO, but YMMV of course.
she's worn it before, back in October with 2289 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2289)
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and IIRC people told Jeph it was a super cute dress, so I guess he wanted to use it again.
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So how WOULD Pintsize find the money? (Sorry, only one answer)
You don't want to know. 1 (3.2%)
You NEVER *want* to know. 12 (38.7%) [/i]
Subscriptions to his Porn Datbase. 4 (12.9%)
Marigold wants the Hentai directory. 3 (9.7%)
Target practice with Yelling Bird. 4 (12.9%)
Olympic 10 meter AI Room Tossing! 0 (0%)
Get a job at the library - cataloging the Victorian Porn. 1 (3.2%)
He wouldn't; he's saving up for a new, bigger chassis. 0 (0%)
Get a job working at LANperk, the new chain of coffee stores! 0 (0%)
Working in a shipping warehouse for a webcomic merch store. 2 (6.5%)
Insert Meme Here. 1 (3.2%)
Find Marten a roommate who'd pay the rent. 3 (9.7%)
Total Members Voted: 31
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she's worn it before, back in October with 2289 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2289)
Tai needs to stop being so adorable.
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Yeah, that's not gonna happen. (Nor should it)
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I think it would be a bit hypocritical of her not to...
Also Insightful. If this world is like ours, she'd have no excuse. The fact that she's been careful about who she tells implies that it's something rather less socially acceptable than, say, being left-handed.
my mother was born left handed. she still has the scars from where the nuns beat her hand until she stopped using it.
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She said socially acceptable, not Catholically acceptable.
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socium, n: a community
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At large?
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One job I can't picture Pintsize doing is watch repair.
How do AnthroPCs without hands hold a job?
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I shudder to think what, if anything, Pintsize would consider an unacceptable job. :-o
+1 Terrifying.
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How do AnthroPCs without hands hold a job?
Or anything else, for that matter?
You know, like a paddle...
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He has hands, just no fingers.
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I've never understood how Pintsize even stands on those round feet. Talk about unstable! He must have internal gyroscopes or he'd be falling over all the time. He'd probably have to crawl instead of walk.
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Hm. maybe he somehow uses that one theorem about how when you have fieldlines on a sphere, there is going to be at least one spot which is vector-free.
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...don't see how the "hairy sphere" theorem applies here.
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I personally think it's because of "Bellisario's Maxim".
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Also known as "a wizard did it".
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In that case, I wonder what Dvorak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard) means...
(and I really didn't know that there was only aq distant relation to the composer... and that it's not pronounced that way.)
Yeah, the Dvorak key layout and the composer Dvořák are not really related.
By the way, I type on this:
(http://neo-layout.org/grafik/tastatur2d/neo_Ebenen_1_2_3_4.png) (http://neo-layout.org/)
(Click the image for more info. Sadly on German.)
And by the way:
(Moderation of a keyboard forum, maybe?)
I think I know which keyboard forum would happily accept Pintsize as Mod. (sorry everybody for the inter-forum forum-bashing. This is basically me complaining to bhtooefr, whom I know from another forum, about a third forum)
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"Neo", hm?
(Insert "red pill" joke here)
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There was a sex scene in one of the movies which suggested he might have taken a blue pill.
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She's BAAA-aaack!
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What will this do to Dora's control issues?
Welcome back, Sam!
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Damn Talents with Teleportation abilities.
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I was just reading some old comics and thought, "Whatever happened to Sam?"
Also I wonder how Dave and Meena are doing on the baby making front.
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Damn Talents with Teleportation abilities.
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/mtmerrick/misc/2343.png)
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Damn Talents with Teleportation abilities.
Also known as OffscreenTeleportation on TvTropes.
...don't see how the "hairy sphere" theorem applies here.
Yeah, that one, thanks! It was the only thing relevant that I could think of.
Also I wonder how Dave and Meena are doing on the baby making front.
I admit my first reaction was "who? :?" Then I read the wiki article. I never realized that we got the "Steve eats Cheerios" comic because he really likes Cheerios (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1026).
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Dora's head is at the top of the panel, so you can't see the exclamation mark above it.
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There are all sorts of issues with carrying a sword in public.
Even if sheathed?
In Australia at least, even with unsharpened edges, sheathed, and in a bag. Australian taijiquan and other martial-arts groups have been trying to get this sorted out for years. Basically, it is down to the judgement of the individual police officers you happen to bump into, so it is best to carry your sword in a bag that conceals its shape.
I find it insulting in the same way I find sport/olympic fencing insulting. One does not take a weapon art and making an amusing game out of it.
So... Olympic 50m pistol is out? Clay pigeon shooting? Biathlon? The sort of shooting contest depicted in Magnum Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtj6hsByDYk) (I don't know what it would properly be called)? Don't you and your shooting-buddies compete for scores, or who can shoot the smallest group, or whatever? How do you train in any martial art, armed or weaponless, without making it essentially a game? You can't actually deliver lethal strokes on the practice mat, so the process becomes a competition for touches or points. On the other hand, for example, many traditional shifu do take a dim view of competition styles which are pretty much wholly divorced from martial training, no matter how skilled the practitioners (and Chai Fong Ying is very very good). (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr9P0Q6Ksuo).
What on earth is Faye wearing? Is this actually a style in the USA? The colour is good for her, but... It also seems to be "wear white belts to work day", and white belts are naff IMHO, but YMMV of course.
Now Hiro knows something about this businessman, namely, that like most Nipponese sword fighters, all he knows is kendo.
Kendo is to real samurai sword fighting what fencing is to real swashbuckling: an attempt to take a highly disorganized, chaotic, violent, and brutal conflict and turn it into a cute game. As in fencing, you're only supposed to attack certain parts of the body -- the parts that are protected by armor. As in fencing, you're not allowed to kick your opponent in the kneecaps or break a chair over his head. And the judging is totally subjective. In kendo, you can get a good solid hit on your opponent and still not get credit for it, because the judges feel you didn't possess the right amount of zanshin.
Hiro doesn't have any zanshin at all. He just wants this over with. The next time the businessman sets up his ear-splitting screech and shuffles toward Hiro, cutting and snapping his blade, Hiro parries the attack, turns around, and cuts both of his legs off just above the knees.
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*reads plot summary* this books sounds like it would please my
inner outer geek.
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you'd call yourself a geek without having read snowcrash? isn't that illegal under the geek charter or something? you might be subject to some harsh censure if you don't correct that oversight. i think there's a pretty steep fine.
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isn't that illegal under the geek charter or something? you might be subject to some harsh censure if you don't correct that oversight. i think there's a pretty steep fine.
Ah, see, there's your mistake. Each socium has different laws on geekery. Where I am from, you are pretty much a geek if you use words like "isomorphic" and "disjoint" in everyday speech. Which I do.
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Snow Crash and Neuromancer should still be mandatory reading.
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Snow Crash and Neuromancer should still be mandatory reading.
I have not read them yet (mostly due to extensive synopsis and TVTropes exposure making it less than urgent even though they're on my shelf), but knowledge of them at least is nearly mandatory. It's like loving fantasy and not knowing about Lord of the Rings. Movies and not knowing of Citizen Kane. They are part of the bedrock of our cyber world. Loki, you may not need to hand in your card, but you are hereby assigned remedial geek history lessons and some other tasks I can't think of right now.
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"As in fencing, you're only supposed to attack certain parts of the body."
That is lazy writing on Stephenson's part. It is not true of épée (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89p%C3%A9e) fencing, for example. Incidentally the "duel" you refer to took place in the Metaverse, with Hiro ultimately hacking the code to drop a safe on his opponent's head as a finishing move, so it was at least as artificial as fencing, with as much connection to real sword-fighting as a round of Call Of Duty has to real warfare. Yes, I have read Snowcrash.
Faye and Dora must truly be oblivious for Sam to have crawled in there. I confess that I twitched a bit at Sam's grammar.
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I can accept that, but only because of the Rule of Funny (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfFunny).
And no, I won't apologize for that link.
Go ahead, click it. I dare you.
I double dog dare you.
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Akima: Jeph is just doing grammar nerd sniping (http://xkcd.com/356/).
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Ah, see, there's your mistake. Each socium has different laws on geekery. Where I am from, you are pretty much a geek if you use words like "isomorphic" and "disjoint" in everyday speech. Which I do.
What's so geeky about that? Ok. Doctor Who can make yelling "Of course, Fourier transform!" sound geeky.
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"As in fencing, you're only supposed to attack certain parts of the body."
That is lazy writing on Stephenson's part. It is not true of épée (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89p%C3%A9e) fencing, for example. Incidentally the "duel" you refer to took place in the Metaverse, with Hiro ultimately hacking the code to drop a safe on his opponent's head as a finishing move, so it was at least as artificial as fencing, with as much connection to real sword-fighting as a round of Call Of Duty has to real warfare. Yes, I have read Snowcrash.
Ugh épée, proving that the small sword can actually be more pathetic and useless. Though it's not quite as disgusting as the bastard creation that is the fencing "saber". At least the small sword in it's original incarnation was about as lame as the épée or foil is presently and doesn't take the name of a proper combat weapon... not to mention ignore a good century plus of actual saber form.
Never understood dueling on a little strip either, completely nonsensical, may as well just glue your feet to the floor and not move at all.
Have some proper European fencing courtesy of the fine ladies and gentlemen of ARMA
I've done a little Rapier fencing in the Capoferro style, which is way back in the genealogy of modern sport fencing and about as far as I get from proper combat forms. The real root forms of sport fencing lay in the nobleman's "small sword", that is to say the actual style of sword the small sword. This useless insult to steel here.
(http://www.sailorinsaddle.com/media/images/product/display_855_ENGLISH_MOURNING_SMALL-SWORD_CA_1740_633699694822805510.jpg)
It's clearly of use only to noblemen and other such useless creatures.
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Ah, see, there's your mistake. Each socium has different laws on geekery. Where I am from, you are pretty much a geek if you use words like "isomorphic" and "disjoint" in everyday speech. Which I do.
What's so geeky about that? Ok. Doctor Who can make yelling "Of course, Fourier transform!" sound geeky.
"Fourier Bots! Transform and roll out!"
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Have some proper European fencing courtesy of the fine ladies and gentlemen of ARMA
The thing I really love about this is how very short each bout is. That's pretty much the most realistic aspect of it.
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The title is only making me think "snake, a snake, aah, it's a snake."
Which is making me think of the Brian May/Brian Blessed protest version, when the world finally stopped making sense even to me.
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Is there enough interesting for a martial arts thread?
Akima, Sam's sentence was jarring even to someone who learned English informally and has read (too) many used car ads that say "runs good".
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Is there enough interesting for a martial arts thread?
Create the thread and the interest will follow.
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Is there enough interesting for a martial arts thread?
I would probably be a regular visitor in that thread.
Also, what MoM said.
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The martial arts posts in this thread also discuss the comic and if I split them then replies wouldn't make sense. A pity, since there's good material that would help launch a thread.
The thread is in Chatter for now, on the theory that it's about practicing sports.
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Is there enough interesting for a martial arts thread?
Create the thread and the interest will follow.
Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.
(botched Latin from Small Gods. Translated as "When you have their full attention in your grip, their hearts and minds will follow.")
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That one is almost as good as when Vetinari explains that his decision should be carried out, based on the old juristic principle of "quia ego sic dico".
You just gotta love Pratchett.
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Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.
(botched Latin from Small Gods. Translated as "When you have their full attention in your grip, their hearts and minds will follow.")
Or even, "When you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow".
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Well, yes. I said what it was translated as, not what it actually means :-P
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I confess that I twitched a bit at Sam's grammar.
My brain automatically edited the text to be grammatically correct, so I had to go back and re-read it. Unfortunately, now that my brain is aware of the mistake, the automatic filtering no longer works and it's really jarring.
Warning - while you were typing there were 2 new posts debating Latin translation. You may wish to pretend to be Roman.
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Why is it jarring, that a girl in her early teens is presented as using bad grammar?
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Given that she is, presumably, a native speaker, she shouldn't be making such severe grammatical errors. Generally, such things should have been corrected by the time she finished elementary school (11 or 12).
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Pilchard, why did you change your avatar? I identify people by their avatar, and you'll always be Emily to me…
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Given that she is, presumably, a native speaker, she shouldn't be making such severe grammatical errors. Generally, such things should have been corrected by the time she finished elementary school (11 or 12).
True, but I've heard plenty of adult Americans use this grammar (saying 'good' when it should be 'well'). Enough that it probably counts as a colloquialism...
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Thank God I have well grammar.
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Dora in a skirt. I approve.
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Thank God I have well grammar.
Yeah, you're English is really well!
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In Australia, it is very common to hear this exchange: "Owaryamite?" "I'm good!" Needless to say, the second speaker is not making a comment on their moral status. I say "I am well!", but then I also only use "mate" ironically, to address people who are emphatically not mates.
Given that she is, presumably, a native speaker, she shouldn't be making such severe grammatical errors.
Only native-speakers can afford to be sloppy. One of the things that made me twitch about panel four, is that Sam can use bad English and get away with it as "a kid", where when I did it, even at a younger age, people called me Ching Chong (http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/itemimages/354/192/354192_Large.jpg), but my triggers are mine to deal with. :-\
And yes, Dora looks very nice. I'm still not sure about the white belt though.
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Oh deer! Their is no way this could become worse.
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They're is a whey.
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Where their's a well, there's a whey.
As a college math teacher, I'd like to emphatically state that being in math or the sciences or engineering does not excuse you from being able to put together a coherent sentence.
Despite an apparently common misconception.
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The secretary in our organization (many years ago) was asked "What is the difference between an engineer and a physicist?"
Her answer: "Physicists can spell."
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Aside from using "good" as an adverb there's nothing wrong with Sam's spoken English, and even that could be a regional thing, though not really in Mass.
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Is it just me or have the comics gotten funnier lately? I actually laughed out loud at a few things.
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I used to edit the editorial page of a college newspaper and then, for years, a "real" newspaper. That included letters to the editor, and I was appalled and finally settled on bemused to note some of the most egregious abuses of the language came from professional educators, notably professors of English.
However, graduate students from non-English-speaking countries tended to write the best English. I guess when you have to actually make the effort to learn something, you take care to use it properly.
One relative who is a trained teacher once "corrected" my use of "... and me" as a direct object to " ... and I." Some things you just have to let pass for the sake of family harmony, though we did agree that she would continue to teach Spanish and I would continue to use English for our respective livings.
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I like this one because by the end of it, I think you can see neither Pierce or his opponent were holding back.
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"As in fencing, you're only supposed to attack certain parts of the body."
That is lazy writing on Stephenson's part. It is not true of épée (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89p%C3%A9e) fencing, for example. Incidentally the "duel" you refer to took place in the Metaverse, with Hiro ultimately hacking the code to drop a safe on his opponent's head as a finishing move, so it was at least as artificial as fencing, with as much connection to real sword-fighting as a round of Call Of Duty has to real warfare. Yes, I have read Snowcrash.
Ugh épée, proving that the small sword can actually be more pathetic and useless. Though it's not quite as disgusting as the bastard creation that is the fencing "saber". At least the small sword in it's original incarnation was about as lame as the épée or foil is presently and doesn't take the name of a proper combat weapon... not to mention ignore a good century plus of actual saber form.
Never understood dueling on a little strip either, completely nonsensical, may as well just glue your feet to the floor and not move at all.
Ever have one of those moments when you realize you're actually one of the least nerdy people in the room?
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Yes. When Ankh talks about Keyboards and other accessories or when Nekowafer talks about Flutterspy or Rainbow Dash.
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Fluttershy! And I'm not even that into My Little Pony.
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So how WOULD Pintsize find the money? (Sorry, only one answer)
You don't want to know. 1 (1.9%)
You NEVER want to know. 20 (38.5%)
Subscriptions to his Porn Datbase. 6 (11.5%)
Marigold wants the Hentai directory. 5 (9.6%)
Target practice with Yelling Bird. 4 (7.7%)
Olympic 10 meter AI Room Tossing! 0 (0%)
Get a job at the library - cataloging the Victorian Porn. 4 (7.7%)
He wouldn't; he's saving up for a new, bigger chassis. 2 (3.8%)
Get a job working at LANperk, the new chain of coffee stores! 1 (1.9%)
Working in a shipping warehouse for a webcomic merch store. 3 (5.8%)
Insert Meme Here. 1 (1.9%)
Find Marten a roommate who'd pay the rent. 5 (9.6%)
Total Members Voted: 52
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Well, Comic. Nothing spectacular.
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Dora is a mean old lady who is going to make the skullmaster cry.
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(http://i.imgur.com/tpqi1Eh.jpg)
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Sam, you make me experience FEELINGS :(
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K1dmor: Win.
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Also, Faye's response is simply excellent
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Wow, Dora. That may be the worst thing you've ever said, and that's saying a decent amount.
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Did I hear sad Anime music in the background on that last Panel?
I think I did.
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Thank God I have well grammar.
In music, when a keyboard instrument is tuned such that it could be described as "well-tempered", the temperament used, if not equal temperament, is likely to be one of the class known as "well temperaments". This usage of "well" as an adjective still jars with me, but is fully established (well established - ha!) in the relevant circles, and has a specific meaning distinct from that carried by "good temperament".
As for Sam, that usage, though wrong, is also well established in many circles, sometimes in specific idiomatic phrases like "the boy done good".
However, graduate students from non-English-speaking countries tended to write the best English. I guess when you have to actually make the effort to learn something, you take care to use it properly.
The point being that idiom is more than merely correctness, and takes a lot longer to learn (or rather, pick up), also varying more according to circumstances. Simple correctness needs rules to define it, which in some senses language doesn't really have (they're added as a layer over the top by grammarians) - and which can lead, as Churchill remarked, to "the sort of language up with which I will not put [artificially avoiding the preposition at the end, in that instance].
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I think it can be safely said that music jargon isn't the best place to go for grammar...
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Did I hear sad Anime music in the background on that last Panel?
I think I did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL2vlUlpytQ
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Show us your "Mum face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6vHOR8lzTg)", Dora!
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Kawaii Eyes. Teen girls has 'em.
That is all.
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I love the 'good barista, bad barista' act Faye and Dora always do when Sam's around.
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I don't think that's an act on Dora's part. Maybe her control issues are showing?
Honestly, I don't see why it would be that big of a deal if Sam hangs out with them instead of friends.
...does Sam *have* friends?
...they have adopted another one, haven't they.
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Ah, I didn't really mean 'act' as in 'put-on', just the way they behave, their 'dynamic'.
I think Dora's concern is over the fact that she is the real superior there, not Faye. The buck stops at her. It's a different kind of control issue - she's nervous about being responsible for a minor, and she doesn't want Jim to think she is irresponsible.
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I use that "I don't want to deal with this!" hand gesture that Dora's using quite a lot. Funnily enough, it's usually at work and around kids.
Nice retort, Faye. Very nice :)
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. Quit moping already and review your post.
*sigh* Fine...
It's plausible, Loki. I mean, it's not exactly untrue that Sam is hanging around with friends, but there is a world of difference in meaning between "hanging around with friends" (usually implying hanging around a mall or shopping centre, or at a friends' house (which probably should be specified in case of emergencies)), and "hanging around at Coffee of Doom".
I didn't lie. I just... negated certain truths, that's all.
I tried to find a Youtube link to the quote, but to no avail...
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Did I hear sad Anime music in the background on that last Panel?
I think I did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL2vlUlpytQ
Angel Beats... That was a low blow man. I'll be crying in the corner till later if any one needs me.
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Wow, Dora. That may be the worst thing you've ever said, and that's saying a decent amount.
As a Dad - no, just no. Dora's statement "You lied" is completely accurate and is meant to make Sam think about what she tells her father about where she's going. Going to hang with friends and going to the coffee shop are two different things, and then there's whole bit about having been lied to before about Jim being aware where she is.
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Ugh épée, proving that the small sword can actually be more pathetic and useless. Though it's not quite as disgusting as the bastard creation that is the fencing "saber". At least the small sword in it's original incarnation was about as lame as the épée or foil is presently and doesn't take the name of a proper combat weapon... not to mention ignore a good century plus of actual saber form.
Meh.... give me the British, 1796 pattern Heavy Cavalry Sword (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1796_Heavy_Cavalry_Sword), a weapon only marginally more refined than an axe.
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...does Sam *have* friends?
Momo?
Seriously, we haven't seen any so far.
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@BR - Except she didn't lie at all. Faye is definitely a friend and obviously she considered Dora one too or Dora's remark wouldn't have been so hurtful. Also, how is a coffee shop an unusual place to go to hang out with friends?
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...does Sam *have* friends?
Momo?
Seriously, we haven't seen any so far.
We have seen only a very tiny part af Samantha's life. We don't know anything about her friends.
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@BR - Except she didn't lie at all. Faye is definitely a friend and obviously she considered Dora one too or Dora's remark wouldn't have been so hurtful. Also, how is a coffee shop an unusual place to go to hang out with friends?
It is deception by implication. While technically true, it is meant to mislead. If you call that a lie is a matter of definition. It is definitely something you do not want your child to do (to you).
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I don't even see that, unless the reason she said that was Jim told her not to go there (did he?). In which case still not a lie, but a little sneaky.
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...does Sam *have* friends?
Momo?
Seriously, we haven't seen any so far.
We have seen only a very tiny part af Samantha's life. We don't know anything about her friends.
Hence my "so far".
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We know she's OK at making friendly approaches and made friends with Momo quickly.
Creative tomboys, however, do not always lead easy lives socially.
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I saw Sam's last line as just a guilt trip, considering panel 3a and 3b in this (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2186), I don't think she really considers Dora a friend. Sam obviously knows how to weasel her way around things, like a lot of teenage girls and she's trying to convince Dora to let her stay and/or not tell Jim she's at CoD.
Edit: Also there's this comic (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2344) which shows Sam hasn't been completely honest with her father before.
Double edit: Sam was close enough with Padma to go hiking with her, also if I remember right it seemed implied Elliot had gone hiking with them too.
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I'm not sure if Jim is so happy about her going to the woman who gave her knives, a sword and a blowtorch to play with. On the other hand, of all the people who could give her knives, swords or blowtorches, why not Faye, at least she shows her proper handling of those. Well, maybe except the sword. Trying to play Fruit Ninja IRL and getting the sword stuck in the ceiling is something I would not consider proper sword handling.
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@BR - Except she didn't lie at all. Faye is definitely a friend and obviously she considered Dora one too or Dora's remark wouldn't have been so hurtful. Also, how is a coffee shop an unusual place to go to hang out with friends?
Faye was a babysitter, and Dora is a storeowner who very likely does not want to be the place where the tweens come to hang out and not buy product. Liability and being the responsible adult is a wench. My wife used to run a pet store and absolutely hated when parents used the place as a babysitter - "Just wait here and watch the pretty birds/fish dear, Mommy/Daddy will be right back after I get the groceries done."
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I think it's an extension of the boss:employee::parent:child/sibling dynamic:
Dora, having gone on a date with Jim, attached herself to a potential stepmom role--at the boss=parent tier--which Sam then reinforced (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2179) by denoting Dora as Jim's friend (not hers).
Faye then is set up to have a fellow employee == sisterly relationship with Sam
As for Sam, that usage, though wrong, is also well established in many circles, sometimes in specific idiomatic phrases like "the boy done good".
In fact, she's probably echoing a previous instance of hearing it from Faye (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2180).
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You done splendid. (http://www.lifequoteslib.com/authors/casey_stengel.html)
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@BR - Except she didn't lie at all. Faye is definitely a friend and obviously she considered Dora one too or Dora's remark wouldn't have been so hurtful. Also, how is a coffee shop an unusual place to go to hang out with friends?
Faye was a babysitter, and Dora is a storeowner who very likely does not want to be the place where the tweens come to hang out and not buy product. Liability and being the responsible adult is a wench. My wife used to run a pet store and absolutely hated when parents used the place as a babysitter - "Just wait here and watch the pretty birds/fish dear, Mommy/Daddy will be right back after I get the groceries done."
She needed a sign:
UNATTENDED CHILDREN WILL BE FED TO THE PIRHANAS
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@BR - Except she didn't lie at all. Faye is definitely a friend and obviously she considered Dora one too or Dora's remark wouldn't have been so hurtful. Also, how is a coffee shop an unusual place to go to hang out with friends?
Faye was a babysitter, and Dora is a storeowner who very likely does not want to be the place where the tweens come to hang out and not buy product. Liability and being the responsible adult is a wench. My wife used to run a pet store and absolutely hated when parents used the place as a babysitter - "Just wait here and watch the pretty birds/fish dear, Mommy/Daddy will be right back after I get the groceries done."
CoD needs, and your wife's pet shop needed, the sign I saw recently on a sidewalk: "Any children left unattended will be given a double-shot mocha and a pet gerbil."
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Came across this at the military vehicle shipping station in Baltimore, picking up a friends vehicle when they got back from HI;
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8123/8961226035_35d018209b_m.jpg)
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@BR - Except she didn't lie at all. Faye is definitely a friend and obviously she considered Dora one too or Dora's remark wouldn't have been so hurtful. Also, how is a coffee shop an unusual place to go to hang out with friends?
Except she both did lie and knew she lied. Otherwise she wouldn't have said "sort of" when asked if her Dad knew where she was. While it's possible she said that to indicate her Dad doesn't think Faye and Dora are Sam's friends, even in that case, knowing his thoughts on the matter, she intentionally misled him by telling him she was hanging out with friends. She may as well have said, "Not hanging out with Dora and Faye."
Also, given my vast experience with teenage girls, I guarantee you her "I am so emotionally damaged by what you have said to me with your words" response in the last panel is just classic puppy eyes guilt-trip material, not an indication of genuine hurt.
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If so, Jim should know better than to accept such a vague answer, then.
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I'd say Sam, like many sitcom style teenagers, explained where they're going as they were running out the door. Also that's assuming she left home while Jim was home or she was at work with him.
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You done splendid. (http://www.lifequoteslib.com/authors/casey_stengel.html)
And you could look it up.
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Jim wound up feeling content with Samantha visiting CoD.
Good point about Dora not wanting all of Sam's agemates to wind up occupying the coffee shop.
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Show us your "Mum face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6vHOR8lzTg)", Dora!
Bullshit! You don't scare me. Work on it.
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Ugh épée, proving that the small sword can actually be more pathetic and useless. Though it's not quite as disgusting as the bastard creation that is the fencing "saber". At least the small sword in it's original incarnation was about as lame as the épée or foil is presently and doesn't take the name of a proper combat weapon... not to mention ignore a good century plus of actual saber form.
Meh.... give me the British, 1796 pattern Heavy Cavalry Sword (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1796_Heavy_Cavalry_Sword), a weapon only marginally more refined than an axe.
Not marginally, saber techniques survive to this day, the way to tell what was considered an unrefined weapon in Europe is if any one bothered to write down fighting techniques for it. Axes or smashing weapons like warhammers and maces? Nope, but there's tons of text on various forms of swordsmanship including longsword, zweihanders, rapiers, sabers, cutlasses and so forth. (The cutlass is on the edge of unrefined, it's the bastard offspring of a saber and a machete and it unsurprisingly not very complex to effectively employ, the reason written forms exist for it is military standardized training manuals.)
Show us your "Mum face (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6vHOR8lzTg)", Dora!
Bullshit! You don't scare me. Work on it.
My mum does scare me... concentrated centuries of Irish Catholic guilt. *shudder*
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My mum does scare me... concentrated centuries of Irish Catholic guilt. *shudder*
Ah yes, powerful stuff. If they could weaponize that guilt, it would probably violate the Geneva Convention.
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There's a reason why Ireland hasn't been attacked by a foreign power in centuries.
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The cutlass is on the edge of unrefined, it's the bastard offspring of a saber and a machete and it unsurprisingly not very complex to effectively employ, the reason written forms exist for it is military standardized training manuals.
An odd quirk one often sees in English subtitles for Chinese wuxia movies is to translate 刀 (dāo) as "machete" in martial contexts where "sabre", "cutlass" or "broadsword" would be more appropriate. Of course 刀 can mean any single-edged cutting weapon or tool, including a machete, but as always in Chinese, context is everything. The dao was traditionally regarded as requiring less training to use effectively than the jian, which is probably why it gradually became "standard issue". The jian might be the Gentleman Of Weapons, but the dao is the General Of Weapons.
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There's a reason why Ireland hasn't been attacked by a foreign power in centuries.
....you mean aside from constant war and invasion by Great Britain?
The cutlass is on the edge of unrefined, it's the bastard offspring of a saber and a machete and it unsurprisingly not very complex to effectively employ, the reason written forms exist for it is military standardized training manuals.
An odd quirk one often sees in English subtitles for Chinese wuxia movies is to translate 刀 (dāo) as "machete" in martial contexts where "sabre", "cutlass" or "broadsword" would be more appropriate. Of course 刀 can mean any single-edged cutting weapon or tool, including a machete, but as always in Chinese, context is everything. The dao was traditionally regarded as requiring less training to use effectively than the jian, which is probably why it gradually became "standard issue". The jian might be the Gentleman Of Weapons, but the dao is the General Of Weapons.
Really? I've never noticed a dao getting labeled as a machete, and Kung Fu movies are one of my secret guilty pleasures. My small contact with dao in the martial arts world has always had them labeled as Chinese broadswords in my mind, even if they are functionally very different from the European version of a broadsword. Always been a fan of the jian though, beautiful weapon.
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I saw one that said "Children left unattended will be given espresso and a free puppy".
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I've always felt the Gladius is a good close in/indoor/tight quarters fighting weapon.
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Well, but of course it's difficult to translate.
The dao that can be put into words ...
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There's a reason why Ireland hasn't been attacked by a foreign power in centuries.
....you mean aside from constant war and invasion by Great Britain?
Took the words from my mouth. Irish Catholic guilt is one thing, British Imperial guilt is another (and it comes weaponised on factory settings).
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Is it normal to be that concerned for a 13-year-old? When I was her age I was running about freely =/. She's not exactly a preschooler.
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Shit I wish someone like Faye had been around to direct my creative energy into something awesome and interesting.
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My mum does scare me... concentrated centuries of Irish Catholic guilt. *shudder*
Ah yes, powerful stuff. If they could weaponize that guilt, it would probably violate the Geneva Convention.
They put the ire in Ireland.
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There's a reason why Ireland hasn't been attacked by a foreign power in centuries.
Nor snakes. Let's not forget the snakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reptiles_of_Ireland).
Edit: Sorry, all. I forgot about the rule of no politics in WCDT.
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Faye is doing WHAT to a WHAT, now?
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The comic title is appropriate, as always.
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The dao that can be put into words ...
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: It is possible that I'm misremembering how often I heard "machete" or other inappropriate translations, but they certainly did it in the DVD release of House Of Flying Daggers, and used "chopper" in Reign Of Assassins.
Truck springs into swords? I once read a novel where the good guys built a crossbow with a truck spring. Faye could write a book: "The Lethal Leaf-Spring". I think she must be an avatar of one of the blacksmith-gods.
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Spring steel is actually pretty good for swordsmithing; it already has the right mechanical properties for the core of the blade and the edges can be hardened from there using carbon from the fire easily enough. Plus it comes pre-packed in handy flat bars that are already roughly the right shape.
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in nepal they use salvaged leaf springs to make khukris (http://www.himalayan-imports.com/kami.html)
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leaf springs are extremely popular for blade crafting. I have a leaf spring knife and I'll probably make myself a leaf spring sword just for the training exercise with various shop tools.
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The dao that can be put into words ...
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: It is possible that I'm misremembering how often I heard "machete" or other inappropriate translations, but they certainly did it in the DVD release of House Of Flying Daggers, and used "chopper" in Reign Of Assassins.
Truck springs into swords? I once read a novel where the good guys built a crossbow with a truck spring. Faye could write a book: "The Lethal Leaf-Spring". I think she must be an avatar of one of the blacksmith-gods.
they did it on junkyard wars too (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dj1rIpPBsM#t=5m45s)
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One question does spring to mind about Faye's proposed activity is why does Dora let her keep a small machine shop in the back room?
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Because its not being used for anything else?
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Really? I just thought someone came in and vomited 70's all over her.
Mr Furley called. Even HE doesn't want that outfit back.
What, seriously? That dress is awesome. If there was one good thing the 60s/70s gave us it was clothes like that.
Also
What on earth is Faye wearing? Is this actually a style in the USA? The colour is good for her, but... It also seems to be "wear white belts to work day", and white belts are naff IMHO, but YMMV of course.
she's worn it before, back in October with 2289 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2289)
It's not that I'm against retro-looking outfits, but I was born in 1970, and I had to live through that era. Once was enough. :-)
Good catch on noticing that Faye'd worn it before. I usually have a good memory for that sorta thing, but I missed that one. I always get a little kick when she wears the Bear Monster shirt (cuz I haz one too!). RAWR!
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I was born in 1967. I had to WEAR that look. And watch my parents wear it, too. :oops:
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you wore... ahem... old style dresses with a belt on the hips on a regular bases jwhouk? I mean I'm not judging, I'm running around in my kilt today (Yay spring!) but still...
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No, just that ugly shade of green.
My mom wore dark blue with the same white fringes.
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There was a (mercifully brief) time when damn near everything came with a white pleather belt...
I was born in '62. I had to go through adolescence with that crap. You should've seen the tux I wore to the junior prom...
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There was a (mercifully brief) time when damn near everything came with a white pleather belt...
I was born in '62. I had to go through adolescence with that crap. You should've seen the tux I wore to the junior prom...
Powder blue, extra wide lapels, with a pleated shirt pouffing out, white belt and shoes with a clip on powder blue bow tie?
Or reddish. a la "Murph and the Magictones" in the Ramada Room from the Blues Brothers?
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My mother recently apologised to me for the awful clothes she made us wear as kids.
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More like cream colored tails, with bright green piping, mint colored ruffled shirt (not pleated - pleated was hard to find in colors :-P), and bright green butterfly bow tie (matched the piping and cummerbund, of course).
I was going for classy.
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Nor snakes. Let's not forget the snakes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reptiles_of_Ireland).
What did St Patrick say when he was driving the snakes out of Ireland?
"Are yis alright in the back there, lads?"
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I've got to "side" with Dora on this one, as a business partner and friend to Jim, she needs to contact him and tell him that Sam is at Coffee of Doom.
Sam is in Dora's coffee shop, and anything that happens to her there becomes Dora's responsibility. I think Faye's attitude towards Dora is undermining Dora's authority in Sam's eyes. That sort of attitude is fine between friends like Faye and Dora, but it is not at all fine between adult/owner and child.
idk, honestly if it were my situation, the minute that Faye says "lighten up Dora, she's not your kid" Dora should have agreed and told Sam that she had to leave the shop and couldn't come back without her father's explicit permission. Its harsh, but this precedent of Sam obscuring the truth and disrespecting Dora is not acceptable.
At the same time I can see where some people would chalk this up to Dora's control issues. But this is exactly the situation where those instincts become an asset as opposed to a liability. This isn't a social situation with a friend or lover, this is a business partners child.
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She may be trying to wriggle out from under over-protectiveness. It's a natural and healthy reaction on her part. Agreed that Dora should not undermine Jim.
Considering the escaped bears and kung-fu monks on the streets, CoD might be the safest place in town.
Sam, Dora, phone calls are cheap ...
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Is it normal to be that concerned for a 13-year-old? When I was her age I was running about freely =/. She's not exactly a preschooler.
Same for me when I was 13, but parents today are much more paranoid than they were back in the '70s. So yeah, I'd say this was relatively normal for nowadays, although I agree that today's attitudes are too overprotective. Here's an article about one mom's attempt to avoid overprotectiveness, and how she caught hell from a lot of people for it: http://www.freerangekids.com/why-i-let-my-9-year-old-ride-the-subway-alone/
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More to the point, Sam has been shown to be a bit of a rebellious child. The last time she snuck off to hang out at the Coffee of Doom she got into quite a bit of trouble. And Faye is the 'cool aunt' figure who enables shenanigans that will turn Jim's hair even more white. So yeah.. Dora's not in the wrong here. She's being a responsible adult and business owner. The next step of business I'm sure will be a call to Jim. But she has to impress to Sam that she just can't wander into the shop whenever she feels like it to hang out. Especially and go hiding in the cabinets.
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Here's an article about one mom's attempt to avoid overprotectiveness, and how she caught hell from a lot of people for it: http://www.freerangekids.com/why-i-let-my-9-year-old-ride-the-subway-alone/
I went to school across town on my own by bus daily at the age of five.
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I wish I could post something to that effect, but I had a helicopter dad. I wasn't allowed to go alone to school until seventh grade or so, until my father for once caved under mom's influence.
For comparison, most of the people I knew came to school alone in fifth grade. This is in an urban area which is quite safe, mind you.
It occurs to me now that I might have had more freedom at 13 than Sam does. :angelface:
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I walked alone to school, about a mile, starting in first grade. Detroit streets were safer in the 40s.
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Small children take the metro alone regularly in Japan, but there's cops everywhere and it's pretty safe in general. It was definitely odd to me the first time I saw it though.
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I went to school across town on my own by bus daily at the age of five.
This is a cultural attitude as well as one that has changed over time. I cycled to school by myself, though the streets of Australia's largest city, from the age of eleven, and walked to school before that. But, and this is a big but, my parents trusted me to tell them where I was going, go where I was supposed to be going (school, shops etc.), do what I was supposed to be doing, and return directly home. If I had misled them about where I was going, or tried to justify it with weaselly arguments about what "friends" meant... Well, let's just say that I would have regretted it. Chinese parents are immune to kawaii eyes, and don't try to be their kids' best friends. Mine gave me trust and responsibility, but that sprang from my obedience.
Faye is enjoying playing the "cool big sis" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CoolBigSis), but she is undermining Dora, and, indirectly, Jim and adult authority generally. Dora should ring Jim. It is not her call, or Faye's, to decide what it is OK for Jim's daughter to be doing. But hey, this is a comic, right? Rule of Funny (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfFunny), Belisario's Maxim (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BellisariosMaxim) etc. etc.
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So, Faye and Sam are about to spring into action.
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I was definitely allowed to go basically where I wanted at Sam's age as long as I didn't stay out super late. My upbringing wasn't very strict compared to most people's though.
Small children take the metro alone regularly in Japan, but there's cops everywhere and it's pretty safe in general. It was definitely odd to me the first time I saw it though.
My friends and I would ride the Rapid (Cleveland's lame above-ground public transit system) across town just for fun.
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So, Faye and Sam are about to spring into action.
Unless they turn over a new leaf.
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Dora today >>>>>>>>> Dora yesterday.
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From 2nd grade to 6th (ages 8 to 12), we lived in the tiny village of Rhinebeck in the Hudson River Valley. It has had one stop light (I think there's a second one, now), a corner tobacconist that sold comics and Playboys on the same rack, tiny library, a German butcher (Blutwurst, Bockwurst, Sousse... man, that stuff'll kill ya) an IGA grocery, a general store, and a graveyard that went back to the late 1600's when the town was settled.
I rode my bike to the consolidated county school, about 2 miles, and to friends houses after I stopped in at home and told them where I'd be. I covered half the damn county by bike, out to the state forest, down to the fairgrounds, explored abandoned houses out in the country, and hung out at the one gas station in town, where people bitched when gas rose to 27 cents a gallon (it was the beginning of the oil embargos...).
It was a very different time, I'm afraid. We let our girls pretty much do and go where they wanted, but they needed driven places more often than not, and never really had the same kind of freedom I and my wife had. But they did OK, and some of the stories I've heard since they've grown would just have made my hair fall out faster if I'd known at the time ;)
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One question does spring to mind about Faye's proposed activity is why does Dora let her keep a small machine shop in the back room?
"Why does a coffee shop need a machine shop?" is one of those imponderables, like "Why does God need a starship?"
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So, Faye and Sam are about to spring into action.
Unless they turn over a new leaf.
I'm sure they can hammer things out.
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One question does spring to mind about Faye's proposed activity is why does Dora let her keep a small machine shop in the back room?
"Why does a coffee shop need a machine shop?" is one of those imponderables, like "Why does God need a starship?"
"Shit, why WOULDN'T we have one?" (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=540)
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Comic's up.
Somehow, I suddenly feel sorry for Sam.
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Awww Sammy.
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that is one cute little girl.
wouldn't quite call that a sword though.
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"You call that a knoife? THIS is a knoife..."
~you probably know who.
Also, the meter changed in panel 3, then changed back. Creeped me out.
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I think there's a lot of underutilized energy in that kid.
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The sword looks like an unfinished variant of one of these:
(http://www.albion-swords.com/images/swords/albion/nextGen/cherusker/cherusker-germanic-1.jpg)
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I get a distinct feeling there is something... left unsaid in this conversation.
*silently rolls Sense Motive*
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The sword looks like an unfinished variant of one of these:
(http://www.albion-swords.com/images/swords/albion/nextGen/cherusker/cherusker-germanic-1.jpg)
My spontaneous reaction to that picture was "sausage knife". :laugh:
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My spontaneous reaction to "sausage knife" calls from distant memory the battlecry "beg or be bobbitted!"
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wouldn't quite call that a sword though.
Well Faye is responsible enough that she isn't going to let her make a real sword... it's also must be kinda limited what you can make from reshaping a truck spring.
She is definitely the one teaching her bad grammar though. :-P
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"Why do you gotta"... All those years learning your bizarre language, aspiring to speak it "like a native"... Wasted. :-D
As for the sword... Faye and Sam just need to forge the other one of the pair, and then fit the grips, guards etc. If anything, the blade is a little long for Sam (the length of the wielder's forearm is the key measurement). Gratuitous pic of Liu Yifei just because.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Butterfly_Swords.gif)(http://i2.listal.com/image/2024307/400full.jpg)
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Gratuitous pic of Liu Yifei just because.
May your deity of choice bless you, top photo.
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I've been absent the last few days of conversation, but allow me to be briefly opinionated:
Faye's dress looks good, on her and in general- I certainly enjoy the similar ones worn at a local 50s diner. The number of people flinging around severely negative statements about it is really surprising- what is it about fashion that brings forth such vitriol? Would we accept such acerbic attitudes on any other topic? I mean, disliking it is fine, but people were positively juvenile/ fashionista magazine columnist about it.
Pintsize would consider any job that takes place at a sausage fest to be unacceptable. It's all about the ladies.
Sam is awesome, aside from butchering the language. I read a Sociology text recently that tried to justify nonstandard grammar like Ebonics on the grounds that the only necessity is that the meaning be clear, and the conflict between that oversimplification and my own views has made me more sensitive than usual. Other than that, I really like the character.
Dora is reminding me why I dislike her. Such a negative person.
I consider myself quite nerdy, but only in terms of knowledge, not passion. I enjoy, say, Doctor Who (or the history of keyboards, or the various existing types of swordplay), but am dumbfounded at how into it people get. I generally am far better at understanding than regurgitating, so it's often the case that I can follow a conversation but not contribute to it.
I see no problem with a girl Sam's age being so mobile, especially in a small New England town. The number of things modern Americans have convinced themselves are worthy of fear (and their disproportionate responses) never cease to dismay me.
Liability and being the responsible adult is a wench.
Am I the only one that caught this? Resisting jokes.
So, Faye and Sam are about to spring into action.
Unless they turn over a new leaf.
I'm sure they can hammer things out.
It's nice seeing those two forge a relationship
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"Why do you gotta"... All those years learning your bizarre language, aspiring to speak it "like a native"... Wasted. :-D
As for the sword... Faye and Sam just need to forge the other one of the pair, and then fit the grips, guards etc. If anything, the blade is a little long for Sam (the length of the wielder's forearm is the key measurement). Gratuitous pic of Liu Yifei just because.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Butterfly_Swords.gif)(http://i2.listal.com/image/2024307/400full.jpg)
Akima, the only thing gratuitous about that photo is the paired knives to the left.
And not to be a spoilsport, but shouldn't the blank still be rather warm?
Personally, I'm wondering how she's planning to finish the sword off and market it.
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Between yesterday's and today's strips I guess I can see a little from all three points of view:
Sam likes to hang around CoD because it gives her a little freedom to be the sort of kid she wants to be (admittedly, Faye is a pretty awesome aunt/big sister). Besides, swords or not, the place is safe for her to be.
Dora, despite objecting to mewling little poo-larvae (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1960) like Sam (admittedly, she was referring to babies, but sometimes teens can be just as big a bunch of babies :roll: ), doesn't actually mind having Sam around. But the kid should be more honest about where she is, which probably annoys her more than the unexpected responsibility. As IICIH said, phone calls are cheap.
Faye also seems to be siding with Dora on this, and probably took a more responsible approach. Teenagers do rebel against authority figures (not all, or at least not all the time), and as anyone soon learns, being told "NO" without reason, explanation or even talking about it is pretty rude, and makes you ask yourself the question "why not?". By distracting Sam with something cool ("SWORDS!"), and then discussing the issue with her, would get Sam thinking about things like honesty and openness.
Well, things haven't progressed that far yet, but that's how I see it.
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Sam says she has friends her own age, but it's entirely possible that she doesn't have many friends, or that she isn't particularly close to any of her friends.
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"Why do you gotta"... All those years learning your bizarre language, aspiring to speak it "like a native"... Wasted. :-D
Not wasted, perhaps incomplete. Faye is using an informal register of American English which seems quite appropriate in conversation with a tween-ager in a back alley on a sensitive topic. That construction has been used in a couple song titles: "... Be So Mean", "... Be So Blind", and shows up several times in the lyrics of "Why You Wanna".
Or perhaps you are overly susceptible to prescriptivist poppycock (http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?cat=5). (You might find Language Log interesting in many respects, one of which is that it has a lot of posts in the last couple of years about the Chinese languages, and the problems of Chinese/English translation, like this one (http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=4637).)
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Sam says she has friends her own age, but it's entirely possible that she doesn't have many friends, or that she isn't particularly close to any of her friends.
It's quite likely she's the kind of kid who has plenty of friends at school, where there's a kind of forced social interaction, but doesn't see them so much at other times. And being an imaginative, adventurous kid, she probably doesn't mind. She definitely seems to prefer hanging out with adults, but adults who can operate on her level, like Faye or Padma (or, in a manner of speaking, Momo).
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So the kid wants to hang out with Faye and didn't come over to see Dora. I guess Jacques has his limits. Dora was giving her a mom look. If she was to continue acting all tough and disciplinary with the kid, instructing her on responsibility, we would inevitably heard this retort: Then why does my dad say your girlfriend has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, works when she wants to, gets stoned on the job, has group sex in her dorm, then chases after her employee's ex-girlfriend like a starving, horny vulture with some cheesy line that "I admire the woman you are..." What does my dad mean when he says "Sam, you will see in your life that people with issues are attracted to people with issues. It’s much safer to play with a girl that makes real swords than one that is emotionally like a grenade."
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So the kid wants to hang out with Faye and didn't come over to see Dora. I guess Jacques has his limits. Dora was giving her a mom look. If she was to continue acting all tough and disciplinary with the kid, instructing her on responsibility, we would inevitably heard this retort: Then why does my dad say your girlfriend has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, works when she wants to, gets stoned on the job, has group sex in her dorm, then chases after her employee's ex-girlfriend like a starving, horny vulture with some cheesy line that "I admire the woman you are..." What does my dad mean when he says "Sam, you will see in your life that people with issues are attracted to people with issues. It’s much safer to play with a girl that makes real swords than one that is emotionally like a grenade."
:psyduck:
I don't really think that the Dora/Tai relationship is quite like that, and I don't really think that Jim would talk to about Dora like that.
Not to mention the fact that Faye is hardly the model of emotional stability
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Faye also seems to be siding with Dora on this, and probably took a more responsible approach. Teenagers do rebel against authority figures (not all, or at least not all the time), and as anyone soon learns, being told "NO" without reason, explanation or even talking about it is pretty rude, and makes you ask yourself the question "why not?". By distracting Sam with something cool ("SWORDS!"), and then discussing the issue with her, would get Sam thinking about things like honesty and openness.
I see what you're saying, but I don't think it's completely accurate for this situation. Sam already knows the "why not?" aspects of this.
"Why not?"
-Because your dad doesn't know where you are
-Because you lied to your dad before you came here
-Because you lied to us.
-Because you need to check with us first
-Because we're not a babysitting service.
Maybe Faye's approach is a better method for getting through to Sam, but this still lets Sam essentially lie to her father and get away with it. again, not a good precedent to set.
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So the kid wants to hang out with Faye and didn't come over to see Dora. I guess Jacques has his limits. Dora was giving her a mom look. If she was to continue acting all tough and disciplinary with the kid, instructing her on responsibility, we would inevitably heard this retort: Then why does my dad say your girlfriend has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, works when she wants to, gets stoned on the job, has group sex in her dorm, then chases after her employee's ex-girlfriend like a starving, horny vulture with some cheesy line that "I admire the woman you are..." What does my dad mean when he says "Sam, you will see in your life that people with issues are attracted to people with issues. It’s much safer to play with a girl that makes real swords than one that is emotionally like a grenade."
Does Jim even know Tai? Or what she said to Dora in a private conversation?
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I am almost sure he does not.
Also, I had not expected anyone to be soo... polarized... about Tai.
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Also, I had not expected anyone to be so... polarized... about Tai.
Nothing they stated was a falsehood.
It all depends on how you look at things.
Really it is just what kind of light you shine on the subject and how you filter what you see.
I don't look at the relationship through rose colored lenses and there will be issues and drama resulting from any number of character flaws from either one.
I also try and avoid use polarized lighting when trying to look at things from all angles but I still get such a crick in the neck. :-D
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The statements were accurate. My point was, how would Jim know enough to make them? I can see him being indiscrete enough to say it, either to Sam or within her hearing -- based on how Jeph's drawn him so far -- but we haven't seen that he'd have the information about Tai. We've seen that he knows/thinks he knows enough about Dora to say the other part, true.
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Okay, lets address this point by point. Warning, might get messy, as I am on my phone and typing on it sucks.
1. Run by me again how Tai has Narcisstic PD?
2. work behavior: to be fair, it doesnt sound like there is much to do at the library. On the other hand, Marten is shown to impart a lot of knowledge on the interns (I am not going to browse the archives right now, but the strip included something about dental dams, condoms, the black bin and dodgeball). It can safely be assumed that Marten did not get his knowledge out of thin air. It would appear instead that he was taught by a knowledgable superior.
Also, she is hardly out of line in a place where they have extra bins for dental dams and condoms and where a teacher shags the headmistress (or something to that extent).
3. group sex: someone, you say that like its an inherently bad thing. Wtf?
4. going after Dora: as far as I remember, Tai asked Marten for permission. If not before, then at least after the first hint or something like that. That is more than Dora did. Dora was like "Faye doesn't want Marten? Okay lets kiss him. Oh, wait, that happened." Then without missing a beat she was asking Marten "okay, how do we make Faye not kill us both?" Now, my memory may be misleading me on those points; feel free to correct me. But she hardly qualifies as a "vulture" in my books.
5. cheesy line: how is the choice of words important? Instead shouldn't she rather be admired for having the guts to go after her subject of desire, after the last time she opened up to Bailey, Britney orwhatshername she basically had her heart broken?
someone: it sounds like there is at least a little bit of projection involved. Now, as was broadly discussed here during the Marten-Dora-breakup arc, the comic is our collective Rorschach chart, so of course you are welcome to do so. But by talking about characters like this, yo are hurting feelings of people in real life who like that character. Please try and be more attentive to that, okay?
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Well tabulated Loki, and your phone-fu is better than my keyboard-fu.
"the comic is our collective Rorschach "
A test? But I'm horrible at tests! :cry:
Also apologies for my failed attempts at optics humor in my previous post.
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I just don't get why Tai was brought up at all.
She doesn't have anything to do with the Sam/Jim/Dora/Faye situation whatsoever.
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My suggestion: don't feed the troll.
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Faye's dress looks good, on her and in general- I certainly enjoy the similar ones worn at a local 50s diner. The number of people flinging around severely negative statements about it is really surprising- what is it about fashion that brings forth such vitriol? Would we accept such acerbic attitudes on any other topic? I mean, disliking it is fine, but people were positively juvenile/ fashionista magazine columnist about it.
Thank you for a post that made me stop and think.
People are the same way with music. I think they're both tribal identity markers, and humans seem to be deeply hard-wired to be irrational about those.
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w00t I got sigged... but I am pretty sure the sentiment wasn't mine. *searches* Yup, found it. (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25347.msg977960.html#msg977960) I *might* have been the first to comment on it, though. I am not going to sift through the 36 pages of that thread.
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Would we accept such acerbic attitudes on any other topic? I mean, disliking it is fine, but people were positively juvenile/ fashionista magazine columnist about it.
Hop over to the Band section of the forum for a sampling. Taste in music, guitars, pickups, pedals, amplifiers... Besides, I'm a Shanghai girl; it's expected.
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Faye does seem to have replaced or at least supplemented "the same pair of ratty-ass Chucks (she's) been wearing since (Dora's) known (her.)"
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Soon she'll have her little Conan
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Besides, I'm a Shanghai girl; it's expected.
Is there some stereotype I should(n't) know about? Are Shanghai women supposed to be judgmental, or fashion-conscious, or what?
Because of course we know that all twelve million of them are the same ...
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One question does spring to mind about Faye's proposed activity is why does Dora let her keep a small machine shop in the back room?
Ok by the looks of it Faye has a setup there that does TIG and plasma-cutting. More than likely MIG too if she has a spool-gun... and we'll assume STICK just because it's the QC-verse and they have laser-robots and space-ham...
So just assuming TIG and plasma-cutting... she'd need at least 220 volt three-phase. The shop has a heavy duty power supply based on those meters. Plus the alley out back is somewhat fire resistant AND she's less likely to accidentally arc-blind people passing by.
Figure she keeps her machine in the store-room with a right angle grinder, some hammers, and a few other metal-working tools.
As you see, it does make sense to run her artwork out back. Not like you can do welding in an apartment! :-D
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Not like you can do welding in an apartment!
You can, if you don't mind losing your security deposit.
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Remember, though, Faye burned down an apartment building with a toaster. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=22)
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That's what she said, anyway.
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That'll teach her to have sex with Cylons. :laugh:
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"I didn't realize that the glowing of their spine meant heat! How was I supposed to know that doing them against a wall would set it on fire!?"
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On a completely separate topic - someone wanna do the WCDT for next week? My work schedule for most of the rest of the summer may preclude me being able to do it every other weekend, for various reasons that I will not get into because a.) this is not DISCUSS and b.) it would not be of interest to 90% of the board.
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On a completely separate topic - someone wanna do the WCDT for next week? My work schedule for most of the rest of the summer may preclude me being able to do it every other weekend, for various reasons that I will not get into because a.) this is not DISCUSS and b.) it would not be of interest to 90% of the board.
*jumps up and down waving hand*
Ooh! Me, me! PMing as well. I'm not sure if I can do subsequent weeks, but next week definitely, and I can make the request if I too need someone else to take over.
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Soon she'll have her little Conan
More a Red Sonja, but without the nastier parts of the backstory.
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Soon she'll have her little Conan
More a Red Sonja, but without the nastier parts of the backstory.
Heh. Forgot that.
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Besides, I'm a Shanghai girl; it's expected.
Is there some stereotype I should(n't) know about? Are Shanghai women supposed to be judgmental, or fashion-conscious, or what?
The stereotype is that Shanghai women are modern, stylish, fashion-conscious, and sexy; but also materialistic, high-maintenance, and ever-ready to use our "feminine wiles" to get what we want from those poor helpless men. In Shanghai dialect, these ideas are expressed in the words dia and zuo. There are lots of jokes about how Shanghai men are tai-pan tigers in business, but pussy-whipped wimps at home.
YMMV on how far I conform to the stereotype :angel:, but of course I also am a Sydney woman.
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Shanghai girl / Sydney woman.
There's a song in there somewhere...
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I'm thinking a Mid 70s rock track.
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For Akima's next zillion-hour intercontinental airplane ride, I inflict on her the ear worm
"she's a restless spirit on an endless flight
wooo hooo Sydney woman, see how
high she flies "
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Does Akima travel a lot?
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She's mentioned going to the US at least once.
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She's right here, you know.
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Shanghai girl / Sydney woman.
There's a song in there somewhere...
Ask Rod Stewart, perhaps?
(Starts humming something about "Every picture tells a story, don't it...")
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I'm thinking a Mid 70s rock track.
Ask Rod Stewart, perhaps?
Get out of my head, both of you!
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The Corps is Mother
The Corps is Father
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[...]Mother
[...]Father
And now I got Surrender (the one by Cheap Trick, not Billy Talent) stuck in my head. One of the few songs I can play reasonably well on Guitar Hero.
With the guitar turned the wrong way.
On easy mode.
You gotta start somewhere, okay?
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With the guitar turned the wrong way.
On easy mode.
You gotta start somewhere, okay?
But why start 20 paces back in the penalty zone?
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Because I am right-handed and have trouble playing the keys with my left hand.
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Do you put on lefty flip mode?
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I don't remember. Maybe. I always played it at the mall where they used to have the consoles standing there to fix children up.
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[...]Mother
[...]Father
And now I got Surrender (the one by Cheap Trick, not Billy Talent) stuck in my head. One of the few songs I can play reasonably well on Guitar Hero.
With the guitar turned the wrong way.
On easy mode.
You gotta start somewhere, okay?
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Now Sam needs "Years of tutelage under the German swordmaster Dietrich Himmelfeuer".
Spider Zone merchandise could be a thing.
Any idea what the context is for the thread on Twitter arguing about someone's joke?
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Any idea what the context is for the thread on Twitter arguing about someone's joke?
You mean this?:
wait did some bro seriously make a rape joke live at E3, hahaha burn the world.
I didn't see all the presentations at E3, but according to the news it was at Microsoft's.
..."While showcasing the upcoming “Killer Instinct,” Microsoft brought out a woman to play against a male game producer, who taunted her by saying she should “let it happen, it’ll be over soon.”
“You have a fight stick!,” she said as he continued to beat her in the game.
“You like this!” he responded.
“No, I don’t like this!” she replied."
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Previous basement ideas (https://twitter.com/dorabianchi/status/10004309332).
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Btw, wrong thread (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,29032.0.html) IICIH? :-P .
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Today's comic talks about plans for the basement. So does the tweet.
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This is last week's thread though.
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[PSY - Gentleman]
I fail to see the relevance, but it's interesting to see that cultures with different food habits do this whole Erotic Eating (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EroticEating) thing as well.