THESE FORUMS NOW CLOSED (read only)
Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: jwhouk on 01 Sep 2013, 04:01
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And here's your discussion thread and poll. Go nuts, kids.
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Penny and Cosette are practically gone already. How many strips have they appeared in over the last year?
More interesting to me is the fact that Marten hasn't appeared in a strip since #2490 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2490). That's probably the longest QC has ever gone without him.
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I'd say Marten will be back before Deathmøle start their work...
In other news, almost 3,000 people, myself included, are soon to contract an unusual case of Butts Disease (also congratulations to Jeph. Almost $90,000 and still 9 days to go!)
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It seems pretty likely to me that the timing of their quitting was merely to induce a cliffhanger- their reasons have nothing to do with Faye.
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It seems pretty likely to me that the timing of their quitting was merely to induce a cliffhanger- their reasons have nothing to do with Faye.
You think? That's too bad. I've been waiting for a long time for one of the characters to snap and just tell Faye to get fucked.
Penny seems to be the one to do it too, as she has put up with Faye's jackassery for a good long time and doesn't have anything really invested in the group or shop, she could be the one to give Faye the dose of honesty she needs. The group needs, really.
'Being an unstable cunt-zilla at any given moment who drinks into oblivion and physically abuses people isn't a 'quirk', you psycho. So yeah, I quit.' then Penny holds up a mic for whatever reason, turns it, and drops that shit. Idk, I just want someone to tell Faye off.
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I honestly think Faye has improved recently. She hasn't been as overtly unpleasant, she's mostly made slightly teasing jokes and certainly she's stopped physically attacking people. Counselling has helped, as has making proper friends. Penelope doesn't exactly pull her punches either.
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yeah, she fit right in after being shanghaied.
But I think it's advantageous timing - Penny has found a job with a publisher, and Cosette's getting back into a heavy schedule at school. Faye was just an easy "last straw".
And Dale needs another job... I'm really liking this idea, sorry... :-D
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I'm pretty sure Penny has told off Faye a few times.
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They've had words a few times, but not to the healthy point Faye needs.
Someone needs to look her dead in the eye and explain that her crap isn't acceptable, and I hope Penny is the person to do it. I hope she's also the person there to yell at her again when Faye automatically attempts to jump into the bottle when something doesn't go perfect for her. Again, dropping the mic right after.
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I think you're being unfair. Faye's friends and colleagues know that she has a complicated history and emotional difficulties, and they also know that she is getting psychological help and trying to be less of a bitch. Why, in that case, would it be helpful to be downright unpleasant to her?
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Yeah, what planet are you on that being disgusting to people improves their demeanour?
If that worked, the Internet would be a model of peace and goodwill to all…
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A splash of metaphorical cold water to the face was what Faye needed in place of enabling back in the early strips. Raven's "Are you always this mean" made The Pugnacious Peach stop and think, with some immediate improvement in her behavior.
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A splash of metaphorical cold water to the face was what Faye needed in place of enabling back in the early strips. Raven's "Are you always this mean" made The Pugnacious Peach stop and think, with some immediate improvement in her behavior.
I hadn't thought about that. She still seems to be a full on bitch sometimes that steamrolls everyone in her path with no backlash though, and I'm hoping she gets taken down a peg or two.
'Emotional history' or not, you don't get a pass on being awful to people all the time without there being consequences, and I'm glad both of them are quitting.
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awful to people all the time
Ok, come on now, do you really think that's the case with Faye?
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awful to people all the time
Ok, come on now, do you really think that's the case with Faye?
I have to agree; we only see bits and pieces of the "daily" activities in CoD. For all we know, Faye is more......."tolerable" off panel.
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Either that or both will yell "Psyche!" on Monday.
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Nothing wrong with Faye being exposed to the consequences of her actions.
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awful to people all the time
Ok, come on now, do you really think that's the case with Faye?
I have to agree; we only see bits and pieces of the "daily" activities in CoD. For all we know, Faye is more......."tolerable" off panel.
Even on panel she's not always that bad.
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I say one of them (probably cosette) leaves, the other stays.
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awful to people all the time
Ok, come on now, do you really think that's the case with Faye?
I think Samantha would disagree with you, Bjorek. (Except for the spiders.)
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Will they or won't they? Are Penny and 'Sette gone?
Yep. They won't stand to be bullied anymore. 3 (8.8%)
Cosette's probably already gone - and the curse shall be lifted! 2 (5.9%)
Penny's going to go back to her other job: PIZZA GIRL! 4 (11.8%)
C'mon, that meme's old. They're both kidding. 3 (8.8%)
Actually, Penelope's a bit tiffed she didn't get a chance to at least interview for the job. 1 (2.9%)
Cosette's got classes to miss and other limbs to break. 5 (14.7%)
That "Cafe of Doom" idea sounds good, though. 1 (2.9%)
They just don't want to work with Raven. 0 (0%)
Or get on the bus with Raven. (and Sara - poor, poor Sara.) 0 (0%)
"Dale! We have a job opening! How soon can you start?" 5 (14.7%)
Nah, hire Momo. 1 (2.9%)
NO! Pintsize is more suited to the job! 1 (2.9%)
Insert Snarky Comment Here. 1 (2.9%)
Where's the picture of Marten's butt? 1 (2.9%)
Go for $105k, Jeph. We want that 20-page Deathmole comic. 6 (17.6%)
Total Members Voted: 34
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Oh, and? I put $10 where my mouth was.
http://kck.st/14mICUU
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I wonder how long it'll be before Jeph gets bored and writes out Marten, Dora, Faye, and Pintsize.
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Whoa, writing out Pintsize? Now you're just talking crazy. And Cosette for one welcomes her new assistant manager.
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And comic we have!
See? It was cliffhanger city. Though after cleaning the Cave of a Thousand @$$3$, Cosette might rethink her decision...
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Soon, Cosette trips and falls headfirst into in the toilet. Barely survives after reluctant cpr.
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Who else thought "And peas, too." in panel 1? Anybody?
Oh, and way to assuage their fears, Faye. Good one.
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But why did Penelope's jeans suddenly turn brown? :-\
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Hehe
Cosette caught out.
Comeon guys, Hanners is right! After all, it's not as if Faye is The Spanish Inquisition!!
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But why did Penelope's jeans suddenly turn brown? :-\
It's the humidity.
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There's still room in the schedule for Dale....
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*quickly flies over the posts so far*
... am I the only one thinking the heights are a bit off in this comic? Cosette looked so very young I had to check the CAST page to make sure I didn't miss the introduction of any brunette 16-year-olds lately. °O
Or is it just crooked 8-o-clock vision?
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No adult human is allowed to be shorter than Tai. This new, smaller Cosette is toeing a fine line.
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No adult human is allowed to be shorter than Tai. This new, smaller Cosette is toeing a fine line.
I think Claire is smaller than Cosette. (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2301)
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I think Claire is seated while Cosette is standing in those panels.
Well, the cliff-hanger was a bit of a squib-hanger, wasn't it?
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Well, the cliff-hanger was a bit of a squib-hanger, wasn't it?
(http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h44000/h44093.jpg)
(http://www.stagewhispers.com.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/left_sidebar/air%20squib%20logo.jpg)
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Well, the cliff-hanger was a bit of a squib-hanger, wasn't it?
It's far from the first time that the forums have assumed some impending disaster that never eventuated, and I'm sure it won't be the last.
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I hadn't thought about that. She still seems to be a full on bitch sometimes that steamrolls everyone in her path with no backlash though, and I'm hoping she gets taken down a peg or two.
In the last few hundred strips, Faye has been... pretty normal, actually. Yeah, she's still got an unlimited supply of sarcasm AND snark, but she has developed a hell of a lot as a character. Hell, there are people I know IRL that could do with some peg removal.
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Any of Faye's relatives in the Canadian Army? That was a classic variation on the old "So, who's got a driver's license?" ploy of getting volunteers.
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Good on Faye for springing the asskisser trap; her stock went up considerably with me this day. I've had a couple supervisors and one department head who, though they couldn't advertise it that openly, obviously did have openings for the "sniveling sycophant" position. And of course it was pretty easy to tell who applied.
I do so love working for myself.
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Yes, that way you can be your own sniveling sycophant. :-D
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Hey, if you want it done right...
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Personally I'm not sure faye should be in charge of her own bowel movements never mind other people. She has little emotional stability, poor people skills and a default setting of punching things that annoy her.
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Her greatest crime being, of course, the wearing of white tank tops, such that passersby may more easily project things onto her.
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Change "punching things that annoy her" to "mope around about music" and you have Marten.
Or "play WOW all day", and bam, Marigold.
Or "obsess over cleaning or minutiae," and it's Hannelore.
Should I go on?
;)
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Personally I'm not sure faye should be in charge of her own bowel movements never mind other people. She has little emotional stability, poor people skills and a default setting of punching things that annoy her.
I think you're getting the Faye of the first thousand comics or so confused with the more recent Faye. She's in a stable relationship, she's been a good friend to Marten and Dora (and maybe others), she's cut waaaaaay back on the drinking, and she hasn't punched anyone since knocking offensively drunk Marten down several hundred strips ago - and those were unusual circumstances.
I will now be proven wrong on that last point by several comics I've forgotten, but I don't care. My point's still valid.
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Her greatest crime being, of course, the wearing of white tank tops, such that passersby may more easily project things onto her.
She's a movie screen?
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More like a moving scream.
That was pretty bad, wasn't it?
[drops another quarter into the pun jar]
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Any of Faye's relatives in the Canadian Army? That was a classic variation on the old "So, who's got a driver's license?" ploy of getting volunteers.
I worked at a summer camp where "so, who's hungry?" was a ploy for getting volunteers to help set up the dining hall.
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More like a moving scream.
That was pretty bad, wasn't it?
[drops another quarter into the pun jar]
Eh, I'm behind on pun jar payments myself. (Drops 1940s office mimeograph machine, an internet precursor, into onto pun jar).
But really ... most of the projection onto Faye seems to me to be done by fen, particularly forumites. Allus someone for whom Faye reminds them of someone still resident in their heads whom they hate hate hate.
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I haven't bothered to correlate the Faye-haters to the Marigold-haters to see how much of an overlap there is. But they both get old fast.
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They usually seem to have a fairly low post count. That doesn't mean that people with low post counts matter less! Just that it probably means that people who stick around tend to look at the characters in more complex terms than OH HEY FAYE IS AWFUL.
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You forgot "AMIRITE???2?"
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They usually seem to have a fairly low post count. That doesn't mean that people with low post counts matter less! Just that it probably means that people who stick around tend to look at the characters in more complex terms than OH HEY FAYE IS AWFUL.
Or maybe those who dislike the characters just leave after a few (if any) posts?
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I think you're both saying the same thing!
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Sort of. KOK's saying the ones who don't like the characters leave. I was saying the ones that bother to stay generally learn to see the shades of gray in each character.
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Or swing between one extreme to another depending on how the character's behaving at the time. All I have to say to them is this ........
Welcome to how people really are.
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Will they or won't they? Are Penny and 'Sette gone?
Yep. They won't stand to be bullied anymore. 3 (6.3%)
Cosette's probably already gone - and the curse shall be lifted! 2 (4.2%)
Penny's going to go back to her other job: PIZZA GIRL! 6 (12.5%)
C'mon, that meme's old. They're both kidding. 5 (10.4%) <=== The Winnah.
Actually, Penelope's a bit tiffed she didn't get a chance to at least interview for the job. 2 (4.2%)
Cosette's got classes to miss and other limbs to break. 6 (12.5%)
That "Cafe of Doom" idea sounds good, though. 1 (2.1%)
They just don't want to work with Raven. 0 (0%)
Or get on the bus with Raven. (and Sara - poor, poor Sara.) 1 (2.1%)
"Dale! We have a job opening! How soon can you start?" 6 (12.5%)
Nah, hire Momo. 2 (4.2%)
NO! Pintsize is more suited to the job! 2 (4.2%)
Insert Snarky Comment Here. 2 (4.2%)
Where's the picture of Marten's butt? 1 (2.1%)
Go for $105k, Jeph. We want that 20-page Deathmole comic. 9 (18.8%) <== What we REALLY want.
Total Members Voted: 48
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During the stream I saw the Marten/Claire panel and there she looked more sad than confused. Glad Claire no be sad.
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Looks like Jeph has finally got his freckletech right so it doesn't mostly get lost in the downscale.
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Looks like Jeph has finally got his freckletech right so it doesn't mostly get lost in the downscale.
I tried drawing this comic at half the size I normally do, not sure if it made any difference other than throw off my brush sizes September 3, 2013 (https://twitter.com/jephjacques/statuses/374765414154117120)
I quite like the effect he achieved with this half-size canvas... to me it seems he's gotten a bit of the old early QC blockyness back but with modern Jeph artte skillz
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Does it make me unforgivably dorky that I actually liked Emily's random factoids?
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Yes Emily, I did know that about Ada Lovelace. But that's a hardly a surprise given my signature, I suppose.
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Emily is like a walking singularity waiting to happen. Some day she'll stumble upon some random factoid that's gonna change the entire cast's lives forever.
Or just Pintsize's, I'm not sure.
Looks like Jeph has finally got his freckletech right so it doesn't mostly get lost in the downscale.
Adding that word to the list of possible company names I'll have to someday choose from when I finally have an idea what to make a company about. :-D
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Maybe they should just stick her in manga.......oh wait.....she might get facts from Yakitate! Ja-pan and other "factual" mangas like that....
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Looks like Jeph has finally got his freckletech right so it doesn't mostly get lost in the downscale.
Like. Really like. I'm freckled. He's captured it well!
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I noticed something different about the drawing style at first glance. So yes, it does make a difference.
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preying mantis
A pedant writes:
Shouldn't that be praying mantis?
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To be even more pedantic, I believe that a praying mantis that eats something is preying :mrgreen:
Maybe they should just stick her in manga.......oh wait.....she might get facts from Yakitate! Ja-pan and other "factual" mangas like that....
Yay, someone who knows this! (I should start watching it again, it's hilarious).
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I could be wrong about this as I am going of my memories of my high school biology lessons about 11 years ago but I am not sure about Emily's "fact" about cabbage, broccoli, kale and cauliflower. As I remember they all a common ancestor which was selectively breed by humans but are now separate species. As I said I could be wrong about this. I will happly apologize if I am wrong especially if Jeff had checked his facts before writing this strip.
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The Fact Sphere Emily is the most intelligent of all of the Smith College Library staff and is never wrong.
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I could be wrong about this as I am going of my memories of my high school biology lessons about 11 years ago but I am not sure about Emily's "fact" about cabbage, broccoli, kale and cauliflower. As I remember they all a common ancestor which was selectively breed by humans but are now separate species. As I said I could be wrong about this. I will happly apologize if I am wrong especially if Jeff had checked his facts before writing this strip.
I was very surprised, so I looked it up. It is true according to Wikipedia, Danish and English.
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The definition of a species is rather variable and unclear; so different biologists and different eras will describe things as the same or as different species from time to time. The term "variety" is often used, but sometimes one biologist will use "variety" where another uses "species".
Another source (http://faculty.ucc.edu/biology-ombrello/POW/cabbage.htm) says:
Recent DNA studies have confirmed the close relationship amongst these plants, and support the plant taxonomists who have classified all these types as varieties of the same species.
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I sympathise with Emily; there is so much to know, and so little time.
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i knew all of Emily's facts, apart from the book of auks, but auks are AWESOME so auk-related facts are welcome.
i've warmed to Emily. she reminds me of myself, but with a generous helping more of childlike enthusiasm.
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I sympathise with Emily; there is so much to know, and so little time.
I can also empathize with Claire on this.
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Only one book about auks? That's a Liberal Arts college for you.
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That's in the general shelves. There's a special collection in the aukward zone.
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That's in the general shelves. There's a special collection in the aukward zone.
Okay, that one needs double the usual pun penalty placed in the jar...
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The penalty won't stay it because it's ajar.
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Can I be amazingly smug and say I knew all three things? Though the Lady Ada one is surely too easy to count - hell, I've got this sticker http://www.adafruit.com/products/695 (http://www.adafruit.com/products/695) on my laptop.
I knew about the brassicas, on account of a friend with a biology PHd who grows his own vegetables and the mantis thing was an amazing coincidence - I read the Wikipedia article on them yesterday, prompted to do so by the one-previous-to-the-current Oglaf strip. Which I'll not link to because of them being all NSFW etc.
Perhaps that's what put Jeph in mind of them as it's a fair assumption he reads Oglaf, as he links to it.
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An entire book about auks: http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Auks-Alcidae-Families-World/dp/0198540329 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Auks-Alcidae-Families-World/dp/0198540329)
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I think you're getting the Faye of the first thousand comics or so confused with the more recent Faye. She's in a stable relationship, she's been a good friend to Marten and Dora (and maybe others), she's cut waaaaaay back on the drinking, and she hasn't punched anyone since knocking offensively drunk Marten down several hundred strips ago - and those were unusual circumstances.
What I'm getting from your post is that you see Faye as more a more likeable character in recent strips than in older ones. I don't take issue with that, but it is an interesting point of view from my perspective. You see, when I started reading the comic I did the obligatory archive-dive and developed a fairly strong fondness for Faye as a character. In retrospect, this was almost entirely because the first 500 comics were set up as a pretty traditional romantic comedy with Marten and Faye as the primary characters. I wanted them to get together, and when they did not I was actually pretty disappointed.
Once that passed, the strip introduced a much larger cast of characters. It became less of a single-arc strip, and I came to enjoy the secondary characters a lot more, in time. There's one or two characters I really don't like, or I feel have been mishandled, but QC has a good cast. These days I don't feel like Faye is a likeable character at all, though. It actually seems to me like she was more likeable in the older strips. She was emotionally damaged, and that caused her to act in some unpleasant ways (like hitting people) but on the whole I felt like her basic character was more sympathetic. She was a good friend to Marten in spite of everything she was going through. These days... it's been a while since she had a story I actually enjoyed. She seems to have a much harder edge these days. She doesn't seem very nice.
I'm not trying to make the case that you're wrong and I'm right, but I definitely don't perceive Faye as a nicer character these days. Her portrayal was on an upwards trend for a long time though. During the time she was getting together with Angus, she was very sweet. I don't know if it's just my perception that she's become less pleasant since then...
I often feel dissatisfied with the way that characters in this comic don't maintain a consistent personality. Individual strips and arcs are generally satisfying, but in the long term character development is weak.
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And I came to like her character as you did, but haven't been put off by developments since. She remains my favorite character.
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And I came to like her character as you did, but haven't been put off by developments since. She remains my favorite character.
I am not here to say that my experience or opinion is more valid than any other. I'm just laying it out because I'm surprised by it. I never really expected Faye to not be my favourite character. That's surprising to me, but right now I think I'd get just as much out of the strip if the other characters were the only characters.
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Be afraid
Be very afraid
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I often feel dissatisfied with the way that characters in this comic don't maintain a consistent personality. Individual strips and arcs are generally satisfying, but in the long term character development is weak.
Those appear to be two contradictory sentences. Faye has grown and worked on her problems - I think that may well be the definition of "character development". The same can be said for Dora, Hannners, Raven has gone back to school, Steve has gone through a few transformative relationships, Wil grew up, Sven had an epiphany, .... damn, the only character that hasn't really changed is Marten's. And Pintsize's.
People don't maintain a consistent personality. Not in real life, and that's one of the things I love so much about this comic!
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So I guess Dale is going to be hired after all?
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Well, 20 hours a week should fit right in with the rest of his schedule. When will he sleep?
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So I guess Dale is going to be hired after all?
Looks like it. There's only been like maybe 72 hours since he turned in his resume... assuming that current comic time isn't happening concurrent with May's last day.
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I'm sure it's been brought up, but, am I tripping balls or did Jeph totally change Cosette's look/eye color? o.O
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They what?
*Googles*
Good god, Animorphs was right, broccoli IS alien in origin! And also Kale, Cabbage, and Cauliflower. I knew panel two and three, though.
I assume that rather than being aware of her presence, Claire is being very nonreactive when Emily appears without warning in a blind spot.
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Yay, someone who knows this! (I should start watching it again, it's hilarious).
Woe if there is a stray copy of Nana to Kaoru on the racks (Mildly NSFW if you wish to google it)......
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I need sleep.
Stop mocking meeeee!
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Raven has gone back to school,
Note that Faye listed Raven when going over the schedules.
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Yes, a hopeful sign!
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Raven has gone back to school,
Note that Faye listed Raven when going over the schedules.
HOORAY! MORE RAVEN!
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I hope they hire Dale. I like Dale. :-) And who else would there be to hire? Unless Jeph wants to introduce a new character....
I think Dora might have been happy about working extremely long hours after the breakup with Marten so she would be distracted and not feel so lonely. But now it's probably time she got some sleep and more free time.
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So people are happy about Dale and about Raven. When will people start shipping them? :mrgreen:
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Tsk!
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uh oh, you've angered the god warrior
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That was a pre-emptive eyebrow twitch - full consciousness has not yet been awakened.
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Well, I wasn't serious anyway. I think that was pretty obvious.
Anyway, it's going to be interesting how Dale will integrate into the CoD staff, assuming he'll get the job.
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With Cosette having apparently turned into a hobbit, Dale might be necessary to boost the average height of the CoD crew.
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Well, I wasn't serious anyway. I think that was pretty obvious.
Of course it was; I did contemplate adding a remark about meta-shipping, but it seemed too heavy-handed when I tried it.
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Meta-shipping… as in shipping the shippers with character pairings?
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Alternately, during the interview Dale might be declared unsuitable due to his work schedule.
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Don't go cutting the poll down like that, Border!
Thus far, though, he does seem to be the only applicant, but given that Dora hasn't (showingly) mastered the art of sleep-brewing, I think an interview process is in order.
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No, I reckon Dale will get the job (there might be an amusing interview montage, which would be cool, but I can't see why Jeph would introduce a new character after already setting up the possibility of an existing one joining the crew). I can't imagine how he'd interact with Raven - absolutely can't see him being her type of man!
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Will they or won't they? Are Penny and 'Sette gone?
Yep. They won't stand to be bullied anymore. 3 (5%)
Cosette's probably already gone - and the curse shall be lifted! 3 (5%)
Penny's going to go back to her other job: PIZZA GIRL! 7 (11.7%)
C'mon, that meme's old. They're both kidding. 6 (10%)
Actually, Penelope's a bit tiffed she didn't get a chance to at least interview for the job. 4 (6.7%)
Cosette's got classes to miss and other limbs to break. 6 (10%)
That "Cafe of Doom" idea sounds good, though. 1 (1.7%)
They just don't want to work with Raven. 0 (0%)
Or get on the bus with Raven. (and Sara - poor, poor Sara.) 2 (3.3%)
"Dale! We have a job opening! How soon can you start?" 8 (13.3%) <== We're all calling this one, aren't we?
Nah, hire Momo. 2 (3.3%)
NO! Pintsize is more suited to the job! 2 (3.3%)
Insert Snarky Comment Here. 2 (3.3%)
Where's the picture of Marten's butt? 1 (1.7%)
Go for $105k, Jeph. We want that 20-page Deathmole comic. 13 (21.7%) <== PERMANENCE FTW.
Total Members Voted: 60[/i]
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Meta-shipping? As in "I think pwhodges ought to ship Gabby and Jimbo"? Or what?
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Thinking of Gabby, has she actually shown up at some point since the lake party?
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Meta-shipping? As in "I think pwhodges ought to ship Gabby and Jimbo"? Or what?
"Meta-shipping" was a joke, of course; but I was thinking more of merely discussing shipping rather than actually shipping, which might include your example but not be limited to it.
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Don't go cutting the poll down like that, Border!
Thus far, though, he does seem to be the only applicant, but given that Dora hasn't (showingly) mastered the art of sleep-brewing, I think an interview process is in order.
When my wife owned her pet store she usually got 3-5 unsolicited resumes per week - more if she was posting for a job opening. While an interview montage is in order, it would be unrealistic for Dale to be the only resume she's got (because with sentient AI, very vocal avians and other things the strip is extremely realistic).
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All this talk about "meta" pairings reminds me of Marten (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=316).
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there might be an amusing interview montage, which would be cool
Here's hoping Jeph's people-watching con sketching is fodder for this... Definitely want to see Willis get disqualified for farting in an interview
Edit: Wait! There's a perfect image right now...TO THE CAPTION THREAD (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,29238.0.html)!
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Well, 20 hours a week should fit right in with the rest of his schedule. When will he sleep?
He's gonna quit as a delivery boy (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2476).
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I'm always sad when I look at the strips which preceded the current story arcs and notice the basically unfinished storylines…
I want to know what this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2484) leads to!
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Probably nowhere. She looks him up, but she is not quite desperate enough to seek him out.
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Well, 20 hours a week should fit right in with the rest of his schedule. When will he sleep?
He's gonna quit as a delivery boy (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2476).
OO, maybe then Pizza Delivery Girl would make her triumphant return!
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I'm sure it's been brought up, but, am I tripping balls or did Jeph totally change Cosette's look/eye color? o.O
Absolutely. Look at http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1549 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1549) -- she has grey eyes -- now they're brown. She dyed her hair to work at Coffee of Doom but she has shrunk as well, not just shorter but slighter.
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Momo had a lot of trouble finding a job, and Jeph said it was because of a bad labor market in Northampton rather than discrimination. If unemployment is that high, Dora must be getting lots and lots of applicants.
Didn't Jeph say once that everything leads to new characters?
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I'm always sad when I look at the strips which preceded the current story arcs and notice the basically unfinished storylines…
I want to know what this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2484) leads to!
When it comes to Veronica, you don't want to know.
You. NEVER. WANT. To know.
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Well now I do want to know.
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Probably nowhere. She looks him up, but she is not quote desperate enough to seek him out.
Yet.
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Dora the Coffee Zombie
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The irony is that she has enough coffee at her disposal to never, ever, ever sleep.
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Ever see someone sleeping in a coffee shop? I have.
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Ever slept in a coffee shop? I have.
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Probably nowhere. She looks him up, but she is not quote desperate enough to seek him out.
Or next thing you know, the two of them are walking into CoD hand-in-hand and everybody, especially Marten, is like :-o "WTF (When the fuck) did this happen?"
Ever see someone sleeping in a coffee shop? I have.
Ever slept in a coffee shop? I have.
All I can say is, someone sleeping in a coffee shop is either tired way beyond the intervention of coffee or was drinking decaf.
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Dora, remember the reason you gave for promoting Faye *just yesterday*?
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In my defense, the couch was very comfy.
This is interesting... if Dora really is delegating the scheduling to Faye then in a weird way, it is actually Faye's call as to whether Dora takes any shifts.
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If Dale hires on, we might get May as well. A twofer!
Meta Shipping:
If A ships B&C, and D ships B&C, then we should ship A&D.
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Meta shipping:
Shipping X&Y with X&Z.
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Meta shipping (http://static.lolyard.com/lol/ship-shipment.jpg)
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And the reason comes out: she's being rewarded for being a control freak.
Actuating behavior/event: "The shop is more popular, so I need to be open longer hours to serve people."
Irrational Belief: "I need to be in control of things! It's my shop!"
Consequence: "I have to work more hours than ANYONE ELSE."
Consequential Behavior: "Hey, I'm taking home a lot of money!"
Irrational Reinforced belief: "The more I'm in control, the more money I make!"
Consequence: "ZZZZZZZ HUH? WHAT? YES! ONE LARGE LATTE COMIN' UP! (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2527)"
("Oh, and Dora? That'll be $50...")
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Meta shipping (http://static.lolyard.com/lol/ship-shipment.jpg)
all the other definitions were nice...
but you win.
I tip my hat to you sir
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Will they or won't they? Are Penny and 'Sette gone?
Yep. They won't stand to be bullied anymore. 3 (4.5%)
Cosette's probably already gone - and the curse shall be lifted! 3 (4.5%)
Penny's going to go back to her other job: PIZZA GIRL! 8 (11.9%)
C'mon, that meme's old. They're both kidding. 6 (9%)
Actually, Penelope's a bit tiffed she didn't get a chance to at least interview for the job. 5 (7.5%)
Cosette's got classes to miss and other limbs to break. 6 (9%)
That "Cafe of Doom" idea sounds good, though. 2 (3%)
They just don't want to work with Raven. 0 (0%)
Or get on the bus with Raven. (and Sara - poor, poor Sara.) 2 (3%)
"Dale! We have a job opening! How soon can you start?" 10 (14.9%)
Nah, hire Momo. 2 (3%)
NO! Pintsize is more suited to the job! 2 (3%)
Insert Snarky Comment Here. 2 (3%)
Where's the picture of Marten's butt? 1 (1.5%)
Go for $105k, Jeph. We want that 20-page Deathmole comic. 15 (22.4%) <== WE DID IT!
Total Members Voted: 67
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The last strip makes me wonder how Dora works out her remuneration. She is the owner of CoD, so her's should be the profits from the business, not an hourly wage.
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The last strip makes me wonder how Dora works out her remuneration. She is the owner of CoD, so her's should be the profits from the business, not an hourly wage.
She's admitted she's lousy at math... maybe she doesn't get the concept?
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When I had a business, I paid myself a salary; the profit stayed with the business until there was enough to justify a dividend to shareholders (me and a couple of others).
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The last strip makes me wonder how Dora works out her remuneration. She is the owner of CoD, so her's should be the profits from the business, not an hourly wage.
Her profit is increased by the money she saves by not hireing another employee.
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My dad does the same as Paul outlines - he pays himself minimum wage, and takes a dividend when he needs the money for something or when it's getting to be a silly amount. Of course now he's semi-retired I guess he pays himself a pension?
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Those appear to be two contradictory sentences. Faye has grown and worked on her problems - I think that may well be the definition of "character development". The same can be said for Dora, Hannners, Raven has gone back to school, Steve has gone through a few transformative relationships, Wil grew up, Sven had an epiphany, .... damn, the only character that hasn't really changed is Marten's. And Pintsize's.
People don't maintain a consistent personality. Not in real life, and that's one of the things I love so much about this comic!
Not really. If someone "develops" into a character that has no connection to their previous incarnation, I feel fairly comfortable calling that disappointing. Real character development is supposed to take the character's past and build upon it, not toss it in the incinerator in favour of writing whatever new idea is in your head.
The problem here is that the characters often didn't go through experiences which altered their character in most cases. They just woke up one morning after enough time was passed and decided to act like they were suddenly a changed person. The "development" happened by the wave of a magic wand, somewhere off screen. A notable exception would be Sven. He did develop based on events depicted in the comic, and I'd have to say that was done well.
Dora is one of the worst victims. She has a different personality every time she appears in the strip. Then there's the others like Marigold, Dale and Hannelore who have basically the same personality but expressed in vastly different ways without any visible development.
It's why I said I enjoy QC on the basis of whatever story arc is happening now, and pretend like the past didn't happen. That's what the strip wants for me to do a lot of the time. I expect it's just natural when writing a bit of a story every day for like... 10 years?
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Actually, if you read my post breaking down Dora via Rational-Emotive Therapy, you'd realize she's the same as she's been for some time now. Her control issues have been obvious since about just before The Talk - which would indicate that she's gone through a lot of experiences, but HASN'T changed.
My semi-professional opinion is that in a situation that she probably had growing up (considering her parents and brother), she has a need to feel "in control" of the situation. This is manifesting itself in how she's taking all the "extra hours" at the shop - which isn't new, by the way (she did that when Sara "disappeared" early on in the strip).
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The problem here is that the characters often didn't go through experiences which altered their character in most cases. They just woke up one morning after enough time was passed and decided to act like they were suddenly a changed person. The "development" happened by the wave of a magic wand, somewhere off screen. A notable exception would be Sven. He did develop based on events depicted in the comic, and I'd have to say that was done well.
You didn't mention Faye directly, but I think it was implied, since that was the genesis for this discussion. But really? She's had drinking "intervention" from her friends, has been in therapy, and was wooed (in unique fashion) by some one she decided to finally begin a relationship with. I think those few incidents alone, and especially whatever she's learned in therapy, are all excellent ways to develop your personality into one that's more in line with what you want than what you have. Sure, some of it's offscreen and assumed, but it's no "magic wand". And her personality's still the same at the core.
Just a little less hostile.
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If there's a "magic wand" in Faye's case, I suppose it's Sven's.
More seriously, Faye usually mentions Marten as having helped her change: "I'm a different person than I was back then. Because of you." (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1564)
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Meta shipping (http://static.lolyard.com/lol/ship-shipment.jpg)
all the other definitions were nice...
but you win.
I tip my hat to you sir
Yeah, I had a good laugh-out-loud here at work when I clicked the link.
Although I will say, I don't get how/why ship(ping) is being used for this? I know the meaning behind it, but I don't get why someone ever started using the word to indicate that or why other people continue to use it as such. Why can't we just use words for their original meaning and use the correct ones for the idea/thought we wish to convey?
Cannot compute.
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easy:
relationship
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And so the word got abbreviated to being a word that already existed with a different meaning?
Sorry, not aimed at you, just the idea of it -> :roll:
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You didn't mention Faye directly, but I think it was implied, since that was the genesis for this discussion. But really? She's had drinking "intervention" from her friends, has been in therapy, and was wooed (in unique fashion) by some one she decided to finally begin a relationship with. I think those few incidents alone, and especially whatever she's learned in therapy, are all excellent ways to develop your personality into one that's more in line with what you want than what you have. Sure, some of it's offscreen and assumed, but it's no "magic wand".
Of course it is valid to assume I mean Faye to some extent. I'm totally onboard with the development that took place around her cutting down on drinking, and becoming generally happier as a person. All that totally made sense to me as far as it went. What really sticks out like a sore thumb to me is that I still don't think she's in a place where she'd be comfortable starting a relationship. That entire story arc was enjoyable enough, but it seemed to be a definite 'magic wand' moment.
If Hannelore were to start dating tomorrow, nobody apart from creepy shippers would buy that, and I consider this comparable.
And her personality's still the same at the core.
Just a little less hostile.
LESS hostile? Lately I've noticed just how hostile she can be to her alleged friends. If you're really saying she's less hostile now then I guess maybe I shouldn't have ever liked her character to begin with. Maybe that's actually more accurate.
I want to say that there was a long period in which she was actually less hostile, but I think that she has (for no apparent reason) been written as Miss Nasty McSnarkerson a lot lately.
If there's a "magic wand" in Faye's case, I suppose it's Sven's.
*RIMSHOT*
For what it's worth I didn't have any problem with her seeking out Sven for sex, because everyone has physical needs. It was an appropriately awkward set of encounters, and didn't last long. I thought that was entirely in character for her and should in fact have put her off the idea of dating even more.
More seriously, Faye usually mentions Marten as having helped her change: "I'm a different person than I was back then. Because of you." (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1564)
Ehh... well, I can't say anything that would convince anyone, or that wouldn't sound unnecessarily mean. I'll just note that this was prior to the point at which she entered a relationship with Angus and not something I take issue with except in the implications.
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Yep. I remember one day realizing that "ship" was short for "relationship" and almost being disappointed how simple that explanation was.
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Shortened and turned into a transitive verb.
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And the reason comes out: she's being rewarded for being a control freak.
Actuating behavior/event: "The shop is more popular, so I need to be open longer hours to serve people."
Irrational Belief: "I need to be in control of things! It's my shop!"
Consequence: "I have to work more hours than ANYONE ELSE."
Consequential Behavior: "Hey, I'm taking home a lot of money!"
Irrational Reinforced belief: "The more I'm in control, the more money I make!"
Consequence: "ZZZZZZZ HUH? WHAT? YES! ONE LARGE LATTE COMIN' UP! (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2527)"
("Oh, and Dora? That'll be $50...")
I like this and believe that it is a reasonable and balanced conclusion based on the evidence to date, and personal understanding of psychology.
Therefore, it will be ignored and something else adopted.
Today's poll was a near run thing between the final option, and the one with Shelby, Randi and YB.
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Maybe you're just expecting comic characters to conform to your notion of what people are like, and your notion could be wrong. People are inconsistent, things happen that alter their character in ways they didn't even expect themselves. As we get to know the QC characters better, their nuances are revealed - that doesn't mean they're not realistic, I'd argue the opposite! I'm often surprised by people.
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all the other definitions were nice...
but you win.
I tip my hat to you sir
Why thank you so much I will be in town all day and night and week and the weeks after but only four or so
I'm often surprised by people.
I like when I am surprising myself, because that usually means it's a surprise for the better. It rarely is a surprise if I fuck up.
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Maybe you're just expecting comic characters to conform to your notion of what people are like, and your notion could be wrong. People are inconsistent, things happen that alter their character in ways they didn't even expect themselves. As we get to know the QC characters better, their nuances are revealed - that doesn't mean they're not realistic, I'd argue the opposite! I'm often surprised by people.
Actually I'm expecting it to conform to my idea of what people in a fictional narrative should be like, and that idea is based on some actual study of and familiarity with the form. Also I don't think that real people actually are all that inconsistent. They often just seem that way because we (and even they) don't get to know all the relevant influences upon their character. A work of fiction is capable of demonstrating the reasons shift in a person's character.
In a lot of ways, a fictional narrative can and should be more coherent than a narrative in reality.
There's something that I just happened to realize while typing. If you compare QC to other comics, it actually comes off pretty favourably in terms of both character development and consistency. I'm including both webcomics and the kind which are published on paper. I'd say that while there are comics that adhere to a higher standard in this regard, they are few and far between.
By the standards of the medium, it's pretty good. I'm probably seeking something I would never find in a webcomic.
Man I love my current title. I need to not post too much, so I can keep it forever. It makes me feel like a real hipster.
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They just woke up one morning after enough time was passed and decided to act like they were suddenly a changed person
Raven is a good example.
The Pugnacious Peach has been loosening up in ways foreshadowed from early on, when she compared herself to a hedgehog and Raven compared her to a kitten who knows no way to express affection except by scratching.
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And so the word got abbreviated to being a word that already existed with a different meaning?
Sorry, not aimed at you, just the idea of it -> :roll:
Be grateful you were'nt here for the horror of The Shipping Wars
It was a bloodbath - even I got banned for a week!
*Shudder*
;D
Seriously though, if this is doing this to Dora, she really needs to consider letting Faye lengthening the girls hours or bringing Dale someone else on board.
Extra money be damned - Killing yourself over a business is not the way to go.
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Is it shipping if you're gratuitously matchmaking people to jobs?
"Steve should submit a resume for CoD!"
Would that be candidating? Dating?
"I TOTALLY Date Angus and The Nightly News"
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No, that's just Angus doing his 'Straw Man' job.
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Yes, that's it - they hire Angus at CoD, and he tries to argue all the customers out of their orders. And loses. :-D
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So what exactly does Dora do with that extra income? I smell a poll in the offing!
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And so the word got abbreviated to being a word that already existed with a different meaning?
Sorry, not aimed at you, just the idea of it -> :roll:
Well, it created it's own meaning. And it works with other terms related to "ship".
Like "All Aboard the X ship!" .
And my favorite, how do you sink a ship?
With a can(n)on.
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Yes, that's it - they hire Angus at CoD, and he tries to argue all the customers out of their orders. And loses. :-D
They'll be raking it in.
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I've seen other web forums where it's referred to as 'shipping, with the apostrophe representing the "relation" part that's been dropped. Seems like the proper spelling to me. I think making clear from the start that it's an abbreviation tends to reduce the level of confusion slightly.
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That's an excellent thought. But I doubt we can make it stick.
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They just woke up one morning after enough time was passed and decided to act like they were suddenly a changed person
Raven is a good example.
Raven is still in the strip? I'm struggling to remember her last appearance. I'm almost inclined to say that in her case sudden and seemingly random changes in direction are her consistent character. :-D
The Pugnacious Peach has been loosening up in ways foreshadowed from early on, when she compared herself to a hedgehog and Raven compared her to a kitten who knows no way to express affection except by scratching.
Most of her 'loosening up' is fine by me and has taken place in a well-documented way. What I have a real problem with is that she's suddenly starting to act more and more mean. That could be a perceptual problem I have though.
Despite the fact that the conversation started there, Faye isn't really a character whose development I have the biggest problem with. I still don't think she should be ready to be in a relationship given everything we've seen, but she's not the character I take issue with. Not the same way I do with Dora (unless her consistent character is that she's bipolar) or Dale, or (to a lesser extent) Marigold. I have a minor issue with Hannelore's early development but at the same time I recognize that Jeph probably decided he was going down a blind alley there.
Fixed a missing / in the quote tags
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The theme of QC is "Everyone should try to be nice to each other." That's about the only thing any of us should "get out" of the strip, if Jeph has his way.
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Well, a predictable outcome to the Faye/Dora conversation?
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Comic: Aaaaaand called it.
"Hi, Welcome to Coffee of Doom! (NOT NOW MAY)"
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But... but it's not even 11 yet!
[checks]
Damn, that man's sleep schedule is really messed up now!
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He's really freaked out by the whole Kickstarter thing.
And how Shelby's been acting as of late.
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Wait just a second. Does Marigold not work part-time at CoD? I was under that impression.
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I believe she works with computers. Y'know, "BEEP BOOP."
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Oh well. There will still be more Marigold and Dale interactions. :-)
Cue heated debate about stalking vs. childish flirting.
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Is that Faye's long-lost fraternal twin brother?
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Wait just a second. Does Marigold not work part-time at CoD? I was under that impression.
Where did you get that impression? I remember noting that could be interpreted that way.
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I guess just that she spends time there and we've never seen her at work (although we have been told what she does).
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You know... I don't think we have seen Marigold at work (well, I think once when she was doing some work on her dad's website, but that was only one strip...).
I just remembered her introduction when she fixed Pintsize as well. But that was it.
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What would you do in Faye's shoes?
"Go home, Dora, you need a vacation." 1 (3.1%)
"Welp, I have no choice - either I hire Samantha or you cut back on your hours." 2 (6.3%)
"Don't make me bring Pintsize into this!" 2 (6.3%)
"Very simple: you let me hire someone, or I'll tell Sven to pester you into selling the place to him." 0 (0%)
"How about you go home and sleep for a few days and we can talk about this when you wake up?" 2 (6.3%)
"We need to hire Dale. The plot demands it." 10 (31.3%)
"We hire someone or I tell Tai you have a questionably-obtained social disease." 0 (0%)
"I'm serious - it's either Dale or Pintsize. Your choice." 2 (6.3%)
"No, I'm not hiring Momo. She talked about 'unfortunate circumstances' with me once." 1 (3.1%)
"Why are you taking business advice from Mieville?" 2 (6.3%)
"No, we are NOT starting a kickstarter to hire a house band." 0 (0%)
"That Harriet girl was in here again, and this time she dropped off her resume." 7 (21.9%) <== SOME people got the reference...
"No, I don't know why there's a Great Pyrenees, a Bandicoot and a Dicksissel out in front." 1 (3.1%)
"We are NOT going to open a Spathe Ham and Waffles Breakfast Bar downstairs." 0 (0%)
"Something else entirely, because the forum is putting WORDS. IN. MY. MOUTH." 2 (6.3%)
Total Members Voted: 32
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You know... I don't think we have seen Marigold at work.
Any time you see her at the computer, she could be working. Unless she mentions playing a game.
Maybe like Hannelore, maybe she's good enough that she doesn't need to work much.
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We've never actually seen Angus at work either. That doesn't mean he doesn't do it.
We also haven't seen Veronica at work, but that would cross into NSFW territory.
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He'll be easy to boss around...
DOOM
Famous last words....
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Any time you see her at the computer, she could be working. Unless she mentions playing a game.
She doesn't "go to work". She works from her home computer. I'm thinking she designs and maintains websites for a living though don't know if that was mentioned in the comic or just some head canon I've created.
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She definitely maintains her dad's website.
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Her reaction to websites I manage would be similar to this: Amateur website analysis. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1618)
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Saying "Well, the code's not bad" is like saying "You're baby's... so alert..."
It's the thing you say when you can't honestly say anything else nice.
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Any time you see her at the computer, she could be working. Unless she mentions playing a game.
I work from home on the computer. You have no idea how hard it is to get it through people's heads that even though I'm sitting in my own house in my pajamas on my laptop that I'm WORKING LEAVE ME ALONE.
My wife told me I needed a sign to hang on the back of the computer so she can know not to ask me to do things.
Which would also be a terrible idea, because then I would just leave it on there when goofing off to keep from taking the trash out.
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He's really freaked out by the whole Kickstarter thing.
And how Shelby's been acting as of late.
I'm worried about Shelby, I hope she stays back to normal :(
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Out of curiosity, how many pages has it been since a customer was sold a cup of coffee? It seems like a while.
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http://questionablecontent.wikia.com/wiki/Marigold_Farmer#Employment
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Well, that was unexpected.
No Cliffhanger
What? What did you think i meant?
;D
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Famous last words....
Yep, my immediate thought was "ooooh, bet those words will come back to bite her in the arse."
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weeeee, more Dale!
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I was half expecting Random Background Customer to apply and suddenly become part of the cast. But I figure there are probably enough characters at the moment...
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No Cliffhanger
The fact that there is no (known) cliffhanger is exactly what will keep you hanging until Monday...
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I was expecting RBC to at least speak! Maybe it's someone Jeph knows, getting a shout out.
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Spent the whole time looking at his phone. Just a typically rude customer, oblivious to the great machinations behind the counter.
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Probably catching up on his webcomics on his smartphone.
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Probably Quantifiable Concerns.
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Um, how could anyone forget? Marigold has a real job. She pays taxes and everything:
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1618 (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1618)
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Welcome, new person!