Like Lady Mary.
There are a Trillian things that could happenIt's a land of Infinite Improbability.
There are a Trillian things that could happenIt's a land of Infinite Improbability.
Huh. Things took an unexpectedly dramatic turn in Monday's comic.
Hanners, stop killing everyone.Hey, they're the ones who woke her up :roll:
It's been made well clear, that in the QCverse AIs are considered to be alive, and have been granted civil rights at our side. AIs are as alive as any human being, and are in all aspects considered like humans.
On top of being literally inhuman, May exhibits other qualities which would be red flags for any intelligent employer - she has a short fuse, she curses, she is confrontational, she has a sarcastic streak a mile wide, etc.
May exhibits other qualities which would be red flags for any intelligent employer - she has a short fuse, she curses, she is confrontational, she has a sarcastic streak a mile wide, etc.Your argument on AI rights aside (which is actually kind of central to QC (see here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php?topic=27713.msg1070200#msg1070200), here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,27240.0.html), here (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2085) and here (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2201)), May is no more surly nor belligerent than people can be. Hell, look at any forum or social media page, and you will see instances of rudeness that border on sociopathy. Do they also not deserve the same rights to employment? They do, but they need to pull their heads out of their asses if they are going to be dealing with people on a daily basis (although, once they're promoted to manager or something...).
"I'm not racist/sexist/homophobic etc., but <insert derogatory comment about aforementioned group here>".The proper way to punctuate any such sentence is immediately after the word "but", by placing your fist in the speaker's face.
First time poster here, sup?
Anti-AI prejudice in the QC 'verse is in fact canon. Has been for quite some time. This is just the first time that the bigotry is so overt.
AIs are the ultimate aliens; manufactured by unspecified, unaccountable third parties to displace humans, and allowed to run around free for no reason so far stated.
OF COURSE there are people who don't like them. Closing your eyes and ears and crying "racist, bigot, yada yada, four legs good, two legs bad" is no answerI do not believe anyone here was saying that in the manner you described.
AIs are the ultimate aliens; manufactured by unspecified, unaccountable third parties to displace humans, and allowed to run around free for no reason so far stated.
Closing your eyes and ears and crying "racist, bigot, yada yada, four legs good, two legs bad" is no answer
Second to last panel.....the clerks words don't seem to flow properly. What exactly was she trying to say and invoke?
AIs don't breed, they are manufactured. They clearly aren't cheap, and someone must be financing their construction for a clearly defined purpose.
You seen the price of what it costs to raise a child to age 18 these days?
She's explaining why she puts up with the bigotry: money.
Okay. Say being a Caucasian somehow magically became a "minority group" (calling this a stretch of the imagination is an understatement, I know).It's actually projected that in the 2043, "Non-Hispanic Whites" will drop to less than 50% of the U.S. Census population, at which point there would be no true majority, and America will become a "majority minority nation". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States#Projections_for_2020_through_2060 Of course, when you add Mono-Racial Whites to Hispanic Whites to Multi-Racial but identify as Whites, those white people will remain in the majority until well into the 22nd century. But the fact remains that the majority minority America is coming.
Shopgirl did not deserve that attitude. At all.I'm not sure if I can agree. She could have just given May an application, without opening the discussion about AI employment. A discussion which the law has already closed, making the store owner wrong.
I don't know about "somehow, magically", because there are plenty of places in the UK where that's exactly what has happened, and it isn't popular.I dare say it isn't popular with racists and the type of people who vote UKIP - but I repeat myself of course. Anyone else has no reason to care.
Shopgirl did not deserve that attitude. At all.This quote made me want to chime in with my tuppence worth. Having worked in clothing store for a number of years, I feel i should point out that, whilst shopgirl could have worded herself better, May is positively polite and pleasant compared to the usual attitude from 'humans' when they hear something they don't like during a clothes shopping trip.
Dangit, my record of threads created without a lock is going to end this week, isn't it?
So..... the sentient control unit for a self-driving forklift ISN'T displacing the human who would otherwise be driving it? The robot sales staff in the Idoru outlet AREN'T doing jobs that would otherwise be done by humans? AIs don't breed, they are manufactured. They clearly aren't cheap, and someone must be financing their construction for a clearly defined purpose.
To what means would they be doing that?
Really, the idea that equal rights would be given to AI is quite a horrifying idea.Fair enough. I now proclaim you to be an AI. I got access to your medical records - apparently you're a "test tube baby" so by my beliefs, and even in one or two jurisdictions, are not a natural person.
Though I wouldn't call it bigotry since the AI isn't even alive in a truly meaningful way.Interesting assertion. Would you care to elucidate here? As you might guess, my view differs, but then, you'll find a presentation of mine (http://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/titles/alife/0262290758chap70.pdf) in the Proceedings of the 12th International Conference on the Synthesis and Simulation of Living Systems, so my objectivity is questionable.
Shopgirl did not deserve that attitude. At all.This quote made me want to chime in with my tuppence worth. Having worked in clothing store for a number of years, I feel i should point out that, whilst shopgirl could have worded herself better, May is positively polite and pleasant compared to the usual attitude from 'humans' when they hear something they don't like during a clothes shopping trip.
Fair enough. I now proclaim you to be an AI. I got access to your medical records - apparently you're a "test tube baby" so by my beliefs, and even in one or two jurisdictions, are not a natural person.
The "not a natural person" bit is true though. Even Intersex people aren't regarded as such in some jurisdictions.
I'm sorry you find the idea "horrifying".
Are there any other kinds of people, different from yourself, that you would be uncomfortable granting human rights to?
And if so, please justify why you should have the power so to do
and even why others should grant you human rights in turn?
I will stipulate that you should have them - because you are a person. Natural or not.
Though I wouldn't call it bigotry since the AI isn't even alive in a truly meaningful way.Interesting assertion. Would you care to elucidate here? As you might guess, my view differs, but then, you'll find a presentation of mine (http://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/titles/alife/0262290758chap70.pdf) in the Proceedings of the 12th International Conference on the Synthesis and Simulation of Living Systems, so my objectivity is questionable.
I'm genuinely interested in what you have to say, and your reasons. I have no time for "argument by authority" especially when it's my own.
On top of being literally inhuman, May exhibits other qualities which would be red flags for any intelligent employerExcept, of course, the employer had no opportunity to observe any of her negative traits, since they simply apply a blanket "no robots" rule, so her personal characteristics were not relevant to her rejection. It would be as if I enquired about a job, and regardless of my virtues or flaws, was rejected simply because I am East Asian. If that's OK with you, we are not going to be friends.
Shopgirl did not deserve that attitude. At all.She's knowingly complicit in discrimination that is apparently illegal in the QC-verse. That is not an "innocent" position, and the "I was only obeying orders" defence is very flimsy. May aimed her abusive remarks at the employer, not the assistant, and pointing out calmly that she was working for a bigot was accurate and fair; everyone is responsible for their choices. And if a shop assistant told me to my face that the shop had a policy of not hiring Asians, I'd walk out too. Not a cent of my money would they ever see again, and I would do my best to discourage my family, friends, and anyone else I could influence from shopping there.
Political correctness is great, for as long as you can sit there feeling smug about about it on your parents' money, or the tax-payers' expense.I don't live on my parent's money. I work full-time, pay my taxes, help support my family, and the only tax-payers' money I receive is for doing contract IT work in a large public teaching hospital. I mean, it is OK for me to work, isn't it? Or am I stealing a job from a real person? Oh, and I don't read the Guardian, or have twinkly eyes either (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php?topic=29437.msg1247531#msg1247531). I think that covers all of your sneers about political correctness that I can remember.
QuoteThe "not a natural person" bit is true though. Even Intersex people aren't regarded as such in some jurisdictions.
That is accurate, as they are not natural people, in the strictest sense. They are posthuman.
Do non-terrestrial sapient beings deserve to be afforded the same rights as our much talked about breed of hairless monkey that thinks rather highly of itself?
Please explain the terms "human" and "posthuman".
"They're coming to take our jobs!" has been a rallying cry against immigration for as long as I know.
The Luddites were 19th-century English textile artisans who protested against newly developed labour-saving machinery from 1811 to 1817. The stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced during the Industrial Revolution threatened to replace the artisans with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work.
We do not prevent people in this forum having mistaken views; however, attempts to defend views which we consider indefensible are another matter. There are a number of threads in the Discuss! forum which could help you understand a bit more about human sexuality and gender issues; but until you have studied them, or some equivalent resource, and gained a greater understanding yourself, I advise you to steer well clear of statements of this sort. You may not be aware that your statement that intersex people are not natural pertains directly to someone with whom you are discussing...
I know. I also work in customer service. I've worked in goddamn telesales. I know what an absolute prick Average Joe Customer can be with much less justification than what May has. However it being the norm does not mean the girl deserved it. As she says even within the comic we all need to work to you know, not die of starvation. And the world is in recession.People you call while doing telesales are not your customers.
Do non-terrestrial sapient beings deserve to be afforded the same rights as our much talked about breed of hairless monkey that thinks rather highly of itself?
Do they deserve to be afforded the same rights as a hairless monkey in a society that belongs to the hairless monkeys and is created for the benefit of the hairless monkeys? Not necessarily.
"They're coming to take our jobs!" has been a rallying cry against immigration for as long as I know.Quote from: WikipediaThe Luddites were 19th-century English textile artisans who protested against newly developed labour-saving machinery from 1811 to 1817. The stocking frames, spinning frames and power looms introduced during the Industrial Revolution threatened to replace the artisans with less-skilled, low-wage labourers, leaving them without work.
Of course, if you then demand your jobs back, you're taking the jobs from the people who now have them.
We do not prevent people in this forum having mistaken views; however, attempts to defend views which we consider indefensible are another matter. There are a number of threads in the Discuss! forum which could help you understand a bit more about human sexuality and gender issues; but until you have studied them, or some equivalent resource, and gained a greater understanding yourself, I advise you to steer well clear of statements of this sort. You may not be aware that your statement that intersex people are not natural pertains directly to someone with whom you are discussing...
What's wrong with being a posthuman? It's an amazing transformation that humanity is undergoing!
You are just trying to find some way to divide and isolate them from what you consider 'normal humans', ie: unambiguously male and female.
Can you truly say that without a trace of irony?
Further thought, while I find the concept of transhumanism interesting, intersex people have been around for a long time. Like since recorded history long.
especially when that status has been regularly used against them in a legal sense.
Because when most people say 'not normal' they mean 'less than' or 'not as good as'. Even if you are saying 'better than' that is still a division
Even if I agree with you. None of this makes it ok for the girl to receive that attitude.Shopgirl did not deserve that attitude. At all.She's knowingly complicit in discrimination that is apparently illegal in the QC-verse. That is not an "innocent" position, and the "I was only obeying orders" defence is very flimsy. May aimed her abusive remarks at the employer, not the assistant, and pointing out calmly that she was working for a bigot was accurate and fair; everyone is responsible for their choices. And if a shop assistant told me to my face that the shop had a policy of not hiring Asians, I'd walk out too. Not a cent of my money would they ever see again, and I would do my best to discourage my family, friends, and anyone else I could influence from shopping there.
May is no more surly nor belligerent than people can be. Hell, look at any forum or social media page, and you will see instances of rudeness that border on sociopathy.
Do they also not deserve the same rights to employment? They do, but they need to pull their heads out of their asses if they are going to be dealing with people on a daily basis (although, once they're promoted to manager or something...).
On comic: it's the same sort of inflection when people say "I'm not racist/sexist/homophobic etc., but <insert derogatory comment about aforementioned group here>".
QuoteThe "not a natural person" bit is true though. Even Intersex people aren't regarded as such in some jurisdictions.
That is accurate, as they are not natural people, in the strictest sense. They are posthuman.
We do not prevent people in this forum having mistaken views; however, attempts to defend views which we consider indefensible are another matter. There are a number of threads in the Discuss! forum which could help you understand a bit more about human sexuality and gender issues; but until you have studied them, or some equivalent resource, and gained a greater understanding yourself, I advise you to steer well clear of statements of this sort. You may not be aware that your statement that intersex people are not natural pertains directly to someone with whom you are discussing...
The idea of treating every single person equally is, frankly, unnatural, and as little as 50 years ago voicing that opinion would have you labelled a radical.
She's knowingly complicit in discrimination that is apparently illegal in the QC-verse. That is not an "innocent" position, and the "I was only obeying orders" defence is very flimsy.
May aimed her abusive remarks at the employer, not the assistant
and pointing out calmly that she was working for a bigot was accurate and fair;
everyone is responsible for their choices.
And if a shop assistant told me to my face that the shop had a policy of not hiring Asians, I'd walk out too. Not a cent of my money would they ever see again, and I would do my best to discourage my family, friends, and anyone else I could influence from shopping there.
People you call while doing telesales are not your customers.
I don't believe anyone is suggesting that May, or any other AI us not "thinking" within the terms if the Turing Test. However Turing never claimed that a thinking machine was "human" in any sense, and an assertion of that nature would be incomprehensible in tne lexicon of the time.
Wow, this thing blew up!
I just came here to say that while I agree with Gareth in that I do not like May's personality and find her mostly annoying as a person (there is no question to me that May is a person), I sincerely congratulate May on her decision to go shop somewhere else - upholding principles like this immediately makes her more likable to me and apart from the swearing, this was precisely the right thing to do!
I don't see how getting a little annoyed at the sales girl as the public representative of the store is wrong either - this was not against her personally, but against her in her position as public representative of the store.
May stayed comparatively polite (compared to how we've seen her before, that is), but told the sales person in clear terms why she doesn't want to continue to shop there. And that is what you have to do. If you don't agree with the store's policies, noone is going to take any heed of your criticism if you play nice. The only reason why this sales girl might take the incident to her manager is because of May's clear rejection of the store policy and this is the only way he will reconsider it. (Okay, "scumfucker" was maybe not necessary, but I don't see any problem with the rest.)
Notice that May saved all the name-calling for the discriminatory boss and didn't direct it at the clerk.
Do non-terrestrial sapient beings deserve to be afforded the same rights as our much talked about breed of hairless monkey that thinks rather highly of itself?
Do they deserve to be afforded the same rights as a hairless monkey in a society that belongs to the hairless monkeys and is created for the benefit of the hairless monkeys? Not necessarily.Please explain the terms "human" and "posthuman".
Intersexed individuals are a fairly soft posthuman concept, I will admit, but they do fit some of the criteria. As a transhumanist, I find the phenomenon to be endlessly intriguing.
That's a well thought-out and written post.
But there are also large amounts of humans who are giant douchenozzle fucktwats as well. That's what a job interview is for.
Racist boss. Robots yelling at you. Should have never given up that CoD job Sara.She works at the Gap on the corner of Allosaurus' Stomach Ave. and Allosaurus' Esophagus Street.
That's a well thought-out and written post.Fair enough, but if you do a cross-section of the humans in QC, you have nowhere near the percentage of violent, criminal, perverted incompetents. Faye is probably the only 'Mean' person on the main cast, and not only is she nowhere near the terrible person that Pintsize is, but she saw her father kill himself. Kind of a totally valid reason to be screwed up. Unless there was a storyline I missed, none of the AnthroPCs have any reason in their history for being so creepy and awful.
But there are also large amounts of humans who are giant douchenozzle fucktwats as well. That's what a job interview is for.
Sarah!Sara :roll:
If AIs, immigrants or any other external category are introduced into a situation in which employment and thereby, resources are in finite supply, and demand generally exceeds that supply, then those newcomers will be impacting adversely on SOME group within the original population. That's basic arithmetic.
If AIs, immigrants or any other external category are introduced into a situation in which employment and thereby, resources are in finite supply, and demand generally exceeds that supply, then those newcomers will be impacting adversely on SOME group within the original population. That's basic arithmetic.Even if that wasn't a fallacy as Cold pointed out...so? Who is to say that the people who were there first deserve that job any more than the people who come later?
That lady ended up looking more like Raven than I intended. Whoops!
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The idea of treating every single person equally is, frankly, unnatural, and as little as 50 years ago voicing that opinion would have you labelled a radical.
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I'll now take my leave.
I really, really should watch TNG. Holy crap, that was amazing. (I know it can't all be that good, but wow)
She does also have blue eyes. Could be. Probably isn't. Kinda hope it is.
Obviously some entities will be more deserving of civil rights than others.
Good.
Equal rights is a core value here. Northern Light said that would be their last post. It is.
Her boss might have valid reasons for not wanting to hire robots.
The Measure of a Man is one of the top TNG episodes. Once you let Patrick Stewart get his monologue going on you get the fuck out of the way.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied – chains us all, irrevocably."
- Captain Jean Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, "The Drumhead" TNG S4E21
The Measure of a Man is one of the top TNG episodes. Once you let Patrick Stewart get his monologue going on you get the fuck out of the way.His episodes are really the best. The rest of the (regular) actors on that show couldn't hold a candle to him.
Obviously some entities will be more deserving of civil rights than others.
Highlighting and pointing this out to say NO. This is not in any way a good statement. You did go on to condemn, at least in part, what you said. But this is nothing worthy in that statement. It is the basis and core of all discrimination and bigotry. The feeling or thought that some people are better, more deserving than others of basic rights. That simple thought is the basis of so much hate, so much pain, even so much death in this world that it needs to be expunged. Everyone lives. Everyone feels. Everyone deserves the same civil rights as anyone else.
To return back to this topic here, I think most things were already said. What I still feel the need to mention is that, no matter how much we value free speech and the freedom of opinion, I don't think one should have to tolerate speech or opinions which discriminate others, and thus are going directly against their freedoms. I don't see why one should have to tolerate this, and not create a safe space. A safe space for people who are discriminated against elsewhere. I don't see why a place shouldn't be better than others.More than that, it is OT for the comic sub-forum. Maybe Discuss would be the place for whether or not AIs or ETs (as brought-up by GM) should be treated as people. This is a different place, and focused on QC canon. In canon, AIs are legal persons, and have all the rights and responsibilities associated with that (which is probably why Pintsize hasn't done anything horribly illegal for some time). Just jumping into the discussion and saying that "AIs have no rights" here is *extremely* OT… Well, that, and those posts look like something that Nick Griffin would have posted.
I see this forum as such a safe space. I'd like it to stay one.
For the record. "Just following orders" is not a flimsy defense. Per all precedents in military and civilian law it is NOT a valid defense of any kind.
QuoteThe "not a natural person" bit is true though. Even Intersex people aren't regarded as such in some jurisdictions.
That is accurate, as they are not natural people, in the strictest sense. They are posthuman.
You may not be aware that your statement that intersex people are not natural pertains directly to someone with whom you are discussing...
Honestly, I am finding it fairly intimidating trying to explain my thoughts.Sorry, I'll try not to intimidate you.
I am not a particularly intelligent individual, so I doubt I could properly voice the reasoning behind my opinions.Horse puckey. Even a superficial analysis of your vocabulary and grammatical structure shows you have to be above average in both intellect and communication.
When bad things happen to her, she gets bitter. When good things happen to her, she gets bitter.
It has nothing to do with her poor impulse control. It has nothing to do with her criminal tendencies. It has nothing to do with her desire to become a jet fighter.
May's an asshole.
QuoteFurther thought, while I find the concept of transhumanism interesting, intersex people have been around for a long time. Like since recorded history long.
I actually didn't know that! When and who was the first recorded case of a true intersex individual? I'm really interested in reading about it!
While chapter 6 focuses on the crimes and punishments of parricides, tyrants, renegade slaves, and corrupt emperors, Celia Schultz, “On the burial of unchaste Vestal Virgins,” pp.122-135, investigates the methods of handling ritual impurity within the priesthood of Vesta for the Vestal Virgins themselves. While ritual murder, broadly defined, was not unfamiliar to the Romans (it occurred twenty times between 230 and 80 B.C.E., p. 135) with many similarities between the methods for hermaphrodites, convicted Vestals, and for pairs of Gauls and Greeks, the three types of ritual murder did not serve a single purpose. In the case of hermaphroditic children and Vestals, their removal needed to be bloodless and permanent, so as not to taint the Roman state as a whole.Review of Mark Bradley (ed.), Rome, Pollution, and Propriety: Dirt, Disease, and Hygiene in the Eternal City from Antiquity to Modernity. British School at Rome studies. Cambridge; New York: Cambridge University Press, 2012. Pp. xx, 320. ISBN 9781107014435.
I think you're jumping to conclusions, there.DoA's Ruthless can have episodes intended to show her softer, emotionally vulnerable side as well. Doesn't endear her to me in any way. Her core personality traits remain unchanged. In the immediately past two strips, we have May reacting in the exact same profane and angry way to diametricly opposite news. Her core personality traits remain unchanged.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2515
"Poor impulse control" and "criminal tendencies" may or may not be accurate, but at least they are attempts at character descriptions/analysis, whereas "asshole" is nothing more than a value judgement.They're not my character descriptors/analysis. They're the author's objectively true facts. http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2502 The asshole part was just my personal executive summary of her character to date.
The phrase that pops into my mind is "anger management issues."
That lady ended up looking more like Raven than I intended. Whoops!Bwahaha, she looks less like Raven than yesterday's clerk looked like Sara, and he didn't say whoops then. MAYBE THAT MEANS SOMETHING.
People who are condemning May, try to keep in mind that she is someone who ended up in jail. Now that was a result of her poor impulse control, sure, but it's not a nice place. It is hardly surprising that she has come out feeling bitter and angry.I've been in jail. I'm still fighting the BS charges. I'm bitter and angry. Difference between me and May (aside from fictional/real, carbon-based/silicon-based) is I don't take it out on anonymous individuals around me who have nothing to do with my short stint in the pokey.
Heaven help anyone who really got Momo riled.
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!
a labor oversupply which is only going to intensify as more jobs are eliminated through automation and outsourcing.
How the fuck is that the way your laws work? You can just fire anyone for no reason? That's insanity.
a labor oversupply which is only going to intensify as more jobs are eliminated through automation and outsourcing.
Outsourcing is moving jobs from one person to another rather than simply eliminating them. But otherwise, what's new? The industrial revolution did for loads of jobs, both craft (spinning) and labour (agriculture), while creating some that were almost inhuman (mining). The invention of the typewriter did for the whole class of clerks. Etc, etc. We could go back to subsistence, I suppose, and be fully occupied staying alive (and having no Internet or central heating). But anyway, there will always be adjustments going on, and a healthy economy is the best way to ensure enough jobs. However, in a world where growth is limited, we may have to change the conventional definition of a healthy economy...
So if Monday's Sara and Tuesday is Raven, maybe Wednesday's clerk will be Gabby.
Honestly, I am finding it fairly intimidating trying to explain my thoughts. I am not a particularly intelligent individual, so I doubt I could properly voice the reasoning behind my opinions. If that means that my views are worthless then I am sorry that I posted them. I don't really want to be a bother, I just wanted to voice my feelings on the topic presented.
In the more enlightened and sophisticated workplaces, the preferred procedure is to make the employee in question so miserable he or she quits.You forgot the "targeted RIF" (Reduction In Force):
In the more enlightened and sophisticated workplaces, the preferred procedure is to make the employee in question so miserable he or she quits.
In the more enlightened and sophisticated workplaces, the preferred procedure is to make the employee in question so miserable he or she quits.
Of course, speculation on characters' voices could probably take up a thread all on its own...
Of course, speculation on characters' voices could probably take up a thread all on its own...For some reason I picture Marten's dad as having Patrick Stewart's voice. I have no clue why. :psyduck:
They have no voice at all to me, and I'm really not sure why.
Of course, speculation on characters' voices could probably take up a thread all on its own...For some reason I picture Marten's dad as having Patrick Stewart's voice. I have no clue why. :psyduck:
It's weird...I don't think I have a mind's ear. I started reading the A Song of Ice and Fire books after I watched the show, so I guess when I was reading those I heard those voices. If I ever read the Harry Potter books again though, I'll probably hear them all as Stephen Fry as opposed to any of the movie characters since I spent so much time at work recently listening to most of the Harry Potter audiobooks.
Rights are not bestowed automatically.Yes, they are. THAT IS WHAT MAKES THEM RIGHTS. It's also why everyone has them, even if they are too often not recognized or acknowledged.
I seem to have stepped on some tails with my remark that some are more deserving of rights than others. Who is 'deserving' may be obvious to you, but not someone else. Which is why the subject is a touchy one.
So what is a "right" anyway? When someone says, "I have the right to xyz", he is saying "This is the way I want the world to work, and I expect all right thinking people to agree".
Rights are not bestowed automatically. They must be safeguarded and fought for.
So who should have what rights? Society decides. For instance, we seem to agree that felons should not be able to vote or carry guns. Does this work out for the best? Not always. We can only do our best to cope with an imperfect world.
They're not my character descriptors/analysis. They're the author's objectively true facts. http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2502 The asshole part was just my personal executive summary of her character to date.
Rights are not bestowed automatically.Yes, they are. THAT IS WHAT MAKES THEM RIGHTS. It's also why everyone has them, even if they are too often not recognized or acknowledged.
Rights are not bestowed automatically. They must be safeguarded and fought for.
Edit: More to the topic, AIs in the QC 'verse probably face even worse even when they *do* get hired. They don't need to eat, or rest after all, and probably get exploited all the time on OT hours, since they won't fall victim to fatigue and make potentially dangerous mistakes. Momo seems to have landed a pretty good gig at the library, since Tai is respectful of not only her, but her other minions as people, and she gets to go out like any other person would.
Am I the only one that feels uneasy about the title "bread and salt"?
Am I the only one that feels uneasy about the title "bread and salt"?
OK, cute gesture by Sam, but what should Marten do next? I guess he is not very interested in keeping Froglord as a pet. On the other hand, he is definitely not interested in hurting Sam's feelings.Marten could tell Sam that his mom told him to put the frog back in the pond...
When Sam and Momo went frog-hunting, Sam put Froglord back in the pond (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2027) afterwards, but that was just to avoid being yelled at by her father.
It's A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones reference. Probably.Am I the only one that feels uneasy about the title "bread and salt"?
Probably. Do explain...
I seem to have stepped on some tails with my remark that some are more deserving of rights than others.Which is hardly surprising given that the discussion related to what rights people deserved, not on the basis of what they might have done, as would be the case of a "felon", but for what they inherently are. May was not told that she shouldn't bother to apply for a job because she was a felon with a criminal record, but simply because she's a robot.
It's A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones reference. Probably.
Also, Marten should reply with a friendship offering to Sam. This is mandatory according to the social protocol database (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1573). Maybe his old guitar?
It is a (mainly Slavic) greeting ceremony, and by no means an obscure cultural reference.
It is a (mainly Slavic) greeting ceremony, and by no means an obscure cultural reference.
It is not universally known though, I guess, 'cause it's new to me. I won't go into what passed through my mind in respect of bread, salt and a frog...
My brain went straight to Toad In the Hole...Toad in the hole involves no actual toads. Not even when Heston makes it. You're thinking of French cuisine if that's the direction you went.
There's no saying what is actually *in* those sausages. I did make Toad in the Hole a few times, and every time, I got the gravy wrong. Although, I have had frog once, and it tasted fucking disgusting.My brain went straight to Toad In the Hole...Toad in the hole involves no actual toads. Not even when Heston makes it. You're thinking of French cuisine if that's the direction you went.
He traded in his Telecaster (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2417) to get his new guitar.Ah, yes, I forgot about that. Marten will then need some other friendship offering.
Am I the only one that feels uneasy about the title "bread and salt"?
Why? It's a tradition (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_salt).
Am I the only one that feels uneasy about the title "bread and salt"?
Why? It's a tradition (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_salt).
In these parts (apparently also elsewhere) Bread and Salt is a traditional gift (brought by the guests) at a housewarming party. Originally it was expressing the wish "may this house never run out of either". In parts of Scotland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housewarming_party) apparently a frog served a similar purpose.
May be most of you knew this already and I made a fool of myself. I'll survive.
she prefers adult company instead of friends her own age, which may be of some concern. Also, her interests are quite different from typical 13 year old girls, which is not negative in any way, but probably makes it difficult for her to get friends.She prefers adult company because her interests are quite different from typical 13 year old girls.
We don't classify adults with behaviour problems, learning disabilities or severe mental illnesses (to list a few of the things that might make it hard for someone to function responsibly in society) as being children, though.Of course, there doesn't seem to be the same type of correlation between AI age and maturity like there is for humans. It's really harder to set an age of majority for robots. Given that AIs in the QC 'verse have equal rights, there obviously will be an age of majority for them, but I have no idea what it'd be, since an age of majority of 18 seems a little long and a bit discriminatory, given that at this point Momo is all of about 3, looks about 13-14, and is about as mature and responsible as I was at around 15-16. So what would be the age of majority for a robot?
(and imagine the IMPLICATIONS)
It is a (mainly Slavic) greeting ceremony, and by no means an obscure cultural reference.
It is a (mainly Slavic) greeting ceremony, and by no means an obscure cultural reference.
I know. But madhat was associating it with some song I'd never heard of, and that was what I was calling an obscure cultural reference.
WHERE DID HE GO
IS HE HIDING UNDER A BOX
Thread about the nature of rights (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php?topic=29823.0).
That's got to be some sort of health code violation, having a live frog in a bakery;I had to check, but colours say this is the coffee shop, not the bakery.
I pray Hanners isn't working today.... as does Hanners' working there ...
Speculate and discuss as you like, just try not to talk about anything you may want to happen in the comic lest Jeph decides he can't put it in the comic because someone else came up with it.(and imagine the IMPLICATIONS)Obviously we can't discuss it.
Speculate and discuss as you like, just try not to talk about anything you may want to happen in the comic lest Jeph decides he can't put it in the comic because someone else came up with it.
I look forward to a new walk in the woods (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2017). Marten and his friends spend too much time indoors.And that could be an opportunity to have Eliot back. I miss him.
I don't have much to say, except that Sam is just so gosh-darn adorable. :)
And all hail Frog-Lord. That's got to be some sort of health code violation, having a live frog in a bakery; I pray Hanners isn't working today.
Speculate and discuss as you like, just try not to talk about anything you may want to happen in the comic lest Jeph decides he can't put it in the comic because someone else came up with it.(and imagine the IMPLICATIONS)Obviously we can't discuss it.
And how is reporting illegal activity "stirring up trouble" for her? It'd only cause trouble for the employer
Speculate and discuss as you like, just try not to talk about anything you may want to happen in the comic lest Jeph decides he can't put it in the comic because someone else came up with it.
All the characters can't use the letter "E" in any form. EVER.
But I didn't say (falls) eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Dale just impressed me.Me too. And from her expression in panel four, he impressed May as well. I hope she does the right thing.
No, May, murder is not the right thing.
I really hope Jeph isn't planning on May working at Coffee of Doom.
Meanwhile... Dale's shirt! :-DProbably a gift from Marigold, but Dale does not really look like MLG...
Her surname is Farmer.Even easier: her second name is Louise, if I remember correctly.
That would be lovely. How about getting Momo along too?I look forward to a new walk in the woods (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2017). Marten and his friends spend too much time indoors.And that could be an opportunity to have Eliot back. I miss him.
...and so May was enlightened.Might be the first time that she was confronted with doing the same thing herself, in this case, moral cowardice. And yes, I *have* left jobs, not knowing what would happen next just because my boss *was* a douche || criminal of some sort, so sales lady has no fucking excuse.
Dear May: Well Excuuuuuuuuusee me, Princess... But not everybody has the possibility to risk a job so they can tell their boss he/she is an idiot. That doesn't make them cowards. That just shows how much the system sucks because the workers are not protected in any way.
Dear May: Well Excuuuuuuuuusee me, Princess... But not everybody has the possibility to risk a job so they can tell their boss he/she is an idiot. That doesn't make them cowards. That just shows how much the system sucks because the workers are not protected in any way.
Dear May: Well Excuuuuuuuuusee me, Princess... But not everybody has the possibility to risk a job so they can tell their boss he/she is an idiot. That doesn't make them cowards. That just shows how much the system sucks because the workers are not protected in any way.
*cough*Unions*cough*
Are just as damaging to workers and worker's rights in the modern environment. I am still in trouble for telling a Union rep to lick my boot heel.
Meanwhile... Dale's shirt! :-DProbably a gift from Marigold, but Dale does not really look like MLG...
(http://www.questionablecontent.net/random/magicallovegentleman.png)
Yeah, I agree. I'd also argue being an ex-con puts her in a rougher position than someone who just quits a job because of illegal workforce discrimination.... and how do you know that this someone is not also an ex-con?
They have no voice at all to me, and I'm really not sure why.
I'm that way with some of them. There are also a few whose appearance and demeanor reminds me of people I know, but those wouldn't make sense to anyone else who didn't know those people, or at least how they sounded.
Come to think of it, one of the things I dislike is when I see a movie of a book I've read and nobody sounds like they did to my mind's ear.
Also, Marten should reply with a friendship offering to Sam. This is mandatory according to the social protocol database (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1573). Maybe his old guitar?He traded in his Telecaster (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2417) to get his new guitar.
Also, how does Sam hold on to frogs for so long? I'm impressed. They usually hop right out of my hands!
...I just wanted to use that picture of Dennis.
Is that not a tad hypocritical?
Lightbulb moment.A little more like a sudden abend and cleanup process trying to fix some minor damage to existing thought processes.
Looking good, May! (Orange is so not your color.)Have Jeff ever joked about a character being naked waist down but nobody notices since it doesn't show in the comic?
Station, but they did notice it and it was shown in the comic, if memory serves.Looking good, May! (Orange is so not your color.)Have Jeph ever joked about a character being naked waist down but nobody notices since it doesn't show in the comic?
I think he's a fan of the show. Wasn't there a poster for it behind him during old scenes at his computer when he was WoW-stalking Marigold?He has several manga or anime posters, but none of MLG.
Have Jeff ever joked about a character being naked waist down but nobody notices since it doesn't show in the comic?Notice the Public Spelling Announcement post in this section, third one down. The comic creator/forum owner spells his name Jeph, and so do we.
It was actually Spaceship.Ah yes, my mistake.
Either way, he clearly does have at least a shelf full, so it's safe to say he's a fan.
Close: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=800 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=800)Looking good, May! (Orange is so not your color.)Have Jeff ever joked about a character being naked waist down but nobody notices since it doesn't show in the comic?
People who are targeted by oppression are not in the same situation as the ones enabling it. "I was just following orders" is not an excuse, even if it's a shitty position for them to be in as well (though not remotely as shitty).However, if we are to believe May's own words, her reason for not standing up against robot oppression isn't being oppressed as a robot - it's being an ex-con. And I agree with Dale that "I can't stand up against robot oppression because I'm an ex-con" falls into the same category of excuse as "I can't stand up against robot oppression because I'm a low-wage employee with no job security".
Pretty sure it's a medicinal weed dispensary. "Medicinal" used rather loosely.
Pretty sure it's a medicinal weed dispensary. "Medicinal" used rather loosely.
There are also stores that sell hemp-based product... however I would be very suspect of one operating out of a van. Even if it is a nice van.