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Fun Stuff => CLIKC => Topic started by: Ozymandias on 06 Jan 2005, 16:42
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The next handheld generation is already here, with the DS having been released and the PSP coming in March. Nothing new or interesting there.
The next console generation is rapidly approaching with rumours flying everywhere about what the big three are planning.
From Microsoft's corner: three different versions of the "Xenon" aka XBox 2 aka NextBox. A mini-version without a Hard Drive, a full version with the HD, and a PC version with a full OS and HD. Rumours say that an 2005 is absolutely certain.
From Sony's corner: The PS3 will useextremely high capacity Blu-Ray discs, Sony's Cell technology, which provides many, many processors that can be individually programmed to work seperately or together. Nothing more is known, but a 2006 release is probable.
From Nintendo's corner: The Revolution has been kept highly secret. Rumours say that the controller will lack a d-pad and A/B buttons. Nothing else is known for sure, but Nintendo is claiming that the final product will barely even resemble the traditional idea of a console. They have to get it out in 2006 or else.
So....where do your allegiances stand?
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I trust Nintendo to keep me in a constant and blurred state of enjoyment.
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i'm a sony guy myself.
nintendo is a good first-party, but lacks in third-party support, ans so has fewer games i want to play.
i still have a GBA, though
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the nextbox thing just sounds like a great way for microsoft to make a fuckton of money.
but i'll probably still buy it.
and no i'm not being all anti-microsoft because it's cool and hip. i dig my xbox, but the way they make it sound, it sounds like the nextbox is going to be pure bastardry.
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i think i can see through MS's plans. they are going to make an attempt at mutating the xbox into something that will replace pcs.
ie: around 2010, expect the latest version of Windows to only be released on whatever incarnation of xbox they have at the time, and for them to plan on phasing out support for older OS's. companies will need to decide what they are doing. stay with normal pcs and receive no OS support, switch to MS hardware next cycle, switch to Linux or switch to Mac.
this is their way around the Linux issue. they currently don't have total control over the hardware of the PC. they do over the xbox. of course, this will not stop people from hacking their xboxes, but Linux will stop being such a threat to their income.
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Just hope Microsoft improves their tech-support division (highly unlikely).
I can see it now.
Day of release: All "NextBoxs" are sold out
Day 2: 50% of the console's owners throw it out the window because tech support said "uh... go buy another one" or "uh... what's a "Xenon," I don't believe we carry that product."
How do they get away with bad custormer servise anyway?
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I have high hopes for the PS3.
Nintendo still has a chance at whatever the hell they're doing.
I still have minimal respect for my X-box and probably will feel the same about the next gen version. It's become a really sophiscated DVD player in my household...that's about it.
Otherwise, it's going to be pretty kick ass. Real-time emotion on consoles is the next step. We'll actually, y'know, see forms of human beings that don't act (completely) like robots.
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A lot of people have been trying to predict what Nintendo's doing.
Some of my favorites:
The controller will have a touch screen instead of buttons.
The controller will use gyroscopes to detect movement for control.
The console itself will be handheld and portable with a screen and will dock into a little station connected to a TV that allows control via wireless next gen Wavebirds to charge and be able to be played on the TV.
It will be able to connect to the internet. (That one's ridiculous!)
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I have to say I'm looking forward to Sony, unless Xbox gets some better games, that's the main thing that turns me off Xbox wise.
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i have interest in all three to a certain degree, i have no ties to any of the three companies. i have the three main home consoles by all three companies at the moment, i just wish they wouldn't be so gungho already for the next big thing(s) as i spend more then enough money as it is between the three i have already. if these come out all within the next two years i may have to resort to a life of crime to have enough money to keep up with my video game vice.
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Or just switch to PC gaming and only upgrade the parts you need to support ALL the latest games
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that is the saddest thing ever.
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I used to be very into nintendo, due in large amount to the extremely high concentration of crap games i played on friend's playstations, and the sheer awesomeness of ocarina of time and of perfect dark.
Since the launch of the ps2, xbox and gamecube, i have noticed a disturbing trend in the shrinkage of nintendo, which saddens me. In all local Game stores (or Electronics Boutique) there is barely half a shelf dedicated to 'cube titles. Why is this? Nintendo are a great company with excellent cred, but in choosing to target mainly the young teenage audience, they may have made a crucial mistake. Kids around my brother's age (13-15) are not looking for a 'kiddy' image console. Most of his friends would prefer an xbox or ps2, simply because they're more "grown up".
This is a pity, because there are a number (albeit small) of very good mature games on the cube (soul calibur 2, eternal darkness, resident evil zero). The more observant of you may point out that SC2 and RE0 are available on ps2 as well, but having played both versions, I hold that the gamecube version is superior in performance and controller efficiency.
Just my 2 cents worth (or 1.06978p)
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Nintendo's problem is purely image. It's most even an unfounded image, but it's what's sticking to them anyway and it's really very sad. They make bright, colorful games that are really, really fun, so they're labelled as being for kids.
It's very sad. And Wind Waker didn't help that image at all, despite how dark the storyline was.
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Honestly, the situation with Nintendo doesn't bother me. As long as they still exist, I'll be fine.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go daydream in the corner about next Tuesday and me rubbing the Resident Evil 4 package all over my body.
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Still going to be a PC gamer =/
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??? youve been hearing some bad rumors.
a: its somewhat official name is X-Box Next
b: i dont know wher eyou got your info on either the x box next or the ps3.
and lastly c: you were somewhat right on the nintendo thing. almost no information has been released (similar to xbox next and ps3) its only known that its goign to be very unconventional and supposed to be revolutionary in ways other than technical.
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Or just switch to PC gaming and only upgrade the parts you need to support ALL the latest games
I dislike the need to constantly update PCs. I like to know that when I go out and spend ~$50US that I can go home, put it in the console, and play it. Not take it home, put it in the PC, then go spend Another ~$50US+ updating hardware. That's not to say I don't like or don't play PC games.. but I think the PS is more leaned towards FPS and RTS games, where a console controller isn't so well suited as the quick turn of a mouse. but for games that don't require quick movement of a targeting recticle a controller is superiour in that all the controlls are right at your fingertips for nice, easy access.
That's more like $1.50 than $0.02, I think.
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??? youve been hearing some bad rumors.
a: its somewhat official name is X-Box Next
b: i dont know wher eyou got your info on either the x box next or the ps3.
and lastly c: you were somewhat right on the nintendo thing. almost no information has been released (similar to xbox next and ps3) its only known that its goign to be very unconventional and supposed to be revolutionary in ways other than technical.
Everything I said has been floating around the internet for some time now. There's still no official name for the next MS system(its development name was Xenon), but the three pronged attack was rumoured from leaked MS documents and the PS3 info has been said outright from Sony for months and months.
And I can't wait to try RTS games on the DS. It's the first non-PC platform that can possibly do it well.
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Nintendo's DS, which I had high hopes for, STILL managed to surprise the hell out of me with its awesomeness. I wait eagerly for the Revolution.
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When you get all the bugs and BS worked out on a PC (I use this as a general term for Macs and Windows-based systems) you get the added bonus of getting to modify your games. Assuming they're popular enough to warrant such a community. Half-Life, for example, would not have Counster-Strike, Day of Defeat, or Firearms if it had been released on consoles only. You also get bonus maps you can download once you've finished the game (or if you got bored half-way). Plus, you can take screenshots or record movies and send them to your friends.
As far as a controller being more convenient because the buttons are close at hand, I play all my games with right hand on the mouse and left hand on the keyboard (WASD baby!). That gives me 5 buttons on one hand, and about 29 on the other. A PS2 controller has 17 buttons plus the analog sticks. The only games I'd rather play with a controller than a keyboard are driving games or flight simulators, and even then, a steering wheel or joystick would be better.
I'll admit, a PC can be very frustrating when you buy a game and it doesn't work properly. But that's the risk you take for a greater degree of gaming freedom. Plus, people who game exclusively on PCs often build their own gaming rigs, and customize them to their tastes. They work hard to get the most out of their games, and they take pride in it. If something goes wrong, those who work to fix it stand out amoung those who simply give up. It's just a different community. It's like those who buy a car from the dealership, and take it back there whenever something goes wrong, and those who buy a used car, fix it up, and perform any repairs on their own.
I can't take Portable Gaming seriously. It's great if you're bored and just need quick entertainment, but as far as investing a lot of time and effort into a game, I'd still rather have a PC. Even if technology advances to the point where they can fit the gaming power of a PC into the size of a cell phone or handheld, you're still stuck with a 3" screen and tiny controls. I just don't think they're worth the money.
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It's a real shame the video game industry disagrees with you then, since the majority of profit and innovation comes from the consoles.
I can't even explain it. Things are just more fun on consoles. PC gaming is too damn expensive for me. I can barely run The Sims 2, so forget anything else I want to play on PC.
Microsoft has already integrated most of those benefits to PC gaming you spoke of into console gaming. Many, many XBox games have downloadable levels and content. Nintendo's planning on doing it with the DS.
My PC has given me an amazing video game experience exactly twice. Half-Life and Starcraft. My SNES alone has given me that many times over, nevermind my 10 other consoles.
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I live in Australia and i must say, xbox has the goods hands down on playstation or the 'kiddy cube'. it is a shame that nintendo is drifting towards the pre-schooler area, but xbox has filled the gap nicely for me. games like the halo series provide for an unparralleled* (in my experience) multiplayer experience and ninja gaiden (though nowhere near as good) has satiated my need for a 'Zelda' type game. I dunno, the prospect of ever-increasing complication in consoles is a bit overwhelming for me, i just want to play decent games with a decent feel to them and at the moment, i have found that atmosphere on the box.
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"it is a shame that nintendo is drifting towards the pre-schooler area"
Exactly what I'm talking about in terms of image. Nintendo hasn't drifted anywhere. It's in the exact same place it's always been and even, actually, more mature thanks to games like Eternal Darkness and the entire RE series. The industry has shifted older and Nintendo refuses to go with it.
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I'm not just talking about downloading content. Almost anyone can download content. I'm talking making your own. How easy is that with an Xbox? Last I checked, Discreet didn't have a console port for 3D Studio Max.
CS, DoD, FA, etc weren't created by Valve, it was individuals from the gaming community who got together and wanted a different experience from Half-Life.
The video game industry doesn't disagree with me, I know the majority of people choose consoles, because they're easier to deal with. Economically it's a better choice to appeal to console gamers, since there are more of them. Just like, going back to my previous example, most people buy cars from dealerships and take them back there when something goes wrong. They have little interest in how their car operates, as long as it does what they need it to, they're happy.
Hardcore PC gamers are a select few amoung the masses, I realize this. We're not the main demographic that console manufacturers should be marketing to, and we're not the number one consumers of the video game industry. We don't produce large enough profits. I was getting to this earlier, we represent a minority. An elite minority, but a minority none the less.
So yes, the majority of profit comes from consoles, but I'd disagree with you on the innovation. Everything that's been done on consoles, has been done on a PC first. Maybe not as well, but the idea originated from PC games. Hell, consoles are PCs, they're just trimmed down, mass-marketed gaming-only versions.
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??? youve been hearing some bad rumors.
a: its somewhat official name is X-Box Next
b: i dont know wher eyou got your info on either the x box next or the ps3.
and lastly c: you were somewhat right on the nintendo thing. almost no information has been released (similar to xbox next and ps3) its only known that its goign to be very unconventional and supposed to be revolutionary in ways other than technical.
Everything I said has been floating around the internet for some time now. There's still no official name for the next MS system(its development name was Xenon), but the three pronged attack was rumoured from leaked MS documents and the PS3 info has been said outright from Sony for months and months.
And I can't wait to try RTS games on the DS. It's the first non-PC platform that can possibly do it well.
well, id like to see some sources then, sir.
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You trust me so little?
No problem...
I admit, the three versions of the XBox rumor has the least credible source, but it does have a source.
Xenon code name for new XBox (http://news.com.com/Xenon+the+code+name+for+Xbox+2/2110-1043_3-5514314.html)
Microsoft planning three version of XBox 2 (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19615)
Cell by 2006 info (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/518/518814p1.html) (It takes a long time to search these archives...)
Article speculating that the PS3 will actually be pushed to 2007 due to Sony wanting to use Cell and Blu-Ray (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/523/523592p1.html)
Confirmation that the PS3 will use Blu-Ray (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/535/535910p1.html)
I actually can't find a definite statement saying the PS3 will use Cell, though I could've sworn one existed.
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dont forget the announcment that "halo 2.5" would be released with the second xbox console
all xbox 2 (and a good bit on ps3) information can be found here:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=155839&st=105
basically, whats pretty much expected, is 3 versions, like Ozymandias said.
Both the ps3 and the new xbox's chips are in theory made or designed by IBM, however the xbox's will probabally be a powerpc ship similar to what is found in the powermac G5s.
I wouldn't be suprised if no news has come from nintendo because they havn't actually begun to design a new console yet.
And in response to the view of nintendo as a kiddie company: I am of that view. Nintendo may not have changed over the last however many years, but gamers sure have. They've grown up. Mortal Kombat has blood now, without a cheat code. I'm 16, when the xbox/GC came out I was a good 13, and even then I felt as though the GC was for my 8 year old cousin.
The same with the DS vs the PSP, in reality, I feel silly, immature holding the DS. I can't explain why, it may be the pictochat program, or just my memory relating mario64 to when I was 11.
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as to the "image of nintendo" thing i think it takes a level of maturity reached to realize you don't concern your self with your "images" and can appreciate a good game, regardless of the system.
i'm with ozymandias on prefering consoles to personal computers but that has more to do with my budget and prefence. both have stronger and weaker points as you have both pointed out. there is innovation in both fields and they both make their corporations involved rich off us. so everbody wins because they have choice, yay.
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I'm not sure what "growing up" has to do with refusing to play good games though.
So what if the games are kid friendly? They're still fantastic and fun.
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that is pretty much what i was trying to say. maybe i are dumb?
ie: around 2010, expect the latest version of Windows to only be released on whatever incarnation of xbox they have at the time, and for them to plan on phasing out support for older OS's. companies will need to decide what they are doing. stay with normal pcs and receive no OS support, switch to MS hardware next cycle, switch to Linux or switch to Mac.
hmm, as far as the potential for dominating the market that kind of sounds awesome. i could say bring my x-box (or what ever absurd name it may have to the extreme) games to work and play them on the same machine that has windows and all of my work stuff.
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It's a real shame the video game industry disagrees with you then, since the majority of profit and innovation comes from the consoles.
I can't even explain it. Things are just more fun on consoles. PC gaming is too damn expensive for me. I can barely run The Sims 2, so forget anything else I want to play on PC.
Microsoft has already integrated most of those benefits to PC gaming you spoke of into console gaming. Many, many XBox games have downloadable levels and content. Nintendo's planning on doing it with the DS.
My PC has given me an amazing video game experience exactly twice. Half-Life and Starcraft. My SNES alone has given me that many times over, nevermind my 10 other consoles.
Actually, the gaming industry agrees with me.
Most profitable game of all time ? Everquest.
Highest sales in their first month ? World of Warcraft. (I feel they would have beaten EQ already in that first if they hadn't purposely halted distro)
Played the most (in both hours and number of people playing at one time) ? Counterstrike.
Longest lasting continuous sales ? Starcraft.
The only reason consoles even still exist are that you can just plop it down and play the game, the learning curve is VERY shallow for consoles, and the IMMEDIATE cost is cheaper for a console.
What console gamers don't realise, is they are buying new consoles every year or two, while a PC can be upgraded for years before needing to be replaced. I know someone who plays Doom3 (known as the highest requirements for any game as of yet) on a P3 1GHz system. And Starcraft, which is still actively sold in stores will run on as low as a Pentium 133MHz system.
Once PCs become a part of EVERYONE'S lives, I see the console going the way of the dodo.
As it is, all TVs are now becoming Monitors... and with that, people will become less and less satisfied with passive television when they can more actively use it on things such as MediaCenter PCs, and Digital Cable content, which means they will already have a computer on their TV, and will get the same "Turn the game on and play" experience, making consoles obsolete.
When you say you can't even play the Sims 2 because PCs are too expensive... ever consider all the money you spend on all those consoles ? If you would have put that money into your PC it would be more than adequate.
I also don't know where you get the idea that "the majority of innovation comes from the consoles"... last I checked it was the other way around. I can think of only a single game that started on the console, then they made a PC version, but I can think of tons that did the opposite. Not to mention the fact that the latest technology in just about any graphics and games are being driven by the PC market, since a console takes so long to produce the hardware in it is comparatively obsolete by the time it is released, while the PC can simply be upgraded.
I'd be curious what 'innovation' you are speaking of. All the Dynamic Texture and Lighting engines were on the PC first. Harware rendering ? PC first. Cell shading ? PC. Networked gaming ? PC. Internet gaming ? PC.
How about Genres:
FPS ? PC
RTS ? PC
MUD ? PC
MMO ? PC
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The next generation after this:
We will all be running around on the playstation nine playing grand theft auto 11 1/2-3 ONLINE. And just now there is a big thug about to bash your brains out. But this is no thug. It's actually a nine year old girl named lily with horrible parents who do not pay enough attention to her. She has diabetes and hooked on crack, and got raped by a bear the day before.
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James you are The Man.
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My Alligence is only with Sega, who is rumoured to be re-entering the market with a portable.
Very little is known about the "Prometheus" (http://www.uk.playright.dk/raretitel.php?id=23422), but if its true, it might be the boost sega needs to get back in the game.
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I don't even know where that Counterstrike statistic came from, but to site MMORPGs for highest amount of money made is ridiculous.
Of course they make more money. SOE specifically designed Everquest to be an addictive money pit that people spend large amounts of money on a year. They designed it like a drug.
The top selling games of all time are still console games and console sales aren't exactly dropping. Halo 2 outsold any PC game that came out this year. (Not that it deserved that title, but it's true.) Everyone owns a PC in America. Only a handful of those people care about PC games enough to have a PC that they can play the games on. Why? Because PC games are always trying to use bigger and better technology. That means that every 6 months, Joe Schmoe has to buy more RAM or a new video card if he wants to be playing those games at a respectable FPS.
The average lifespan of a console is 5 years. You buy a $300 console every 5 years to keep on the curve. That's cheap. That's effective. That's not going anywhere.
Most "innovations" that the PC gaming industry has brought are simply due to better technology. Not any real gameplay innovations, just physics and graphics are improving.
I like to think of consoles as a very standardized form of poetry. You know your exact constraints so you're forced to be creative and new within that form instead of trying to meander off into different worlds. You get much more intelligent games from consoles than PCs.
The only thing significantly better about PC gaming is indie games. Anyone can program for the PC. They can't really make much money, but they can introduce great new ideas.
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When will people learn that it is useless to stand before Nintendo in the handheld market? How many crappy portables will have to be discarded by the world?
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I know i've probabally played more CS (if you count 1,5, 1,6. Source, and the xbox version) than any other game.
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Sony's going to make a very large dent in that this year, I think.
The PSP is, unfortunately, not going to go the way of the Lynx or Nomad or Game Gear or N-Gage or Neo Geo Pocket or Wonderswan or my God so many people have died in the face of Nintendo.
It's actually going to be effective though, because the same group of people that the Playstation originally sucked into the industry are going to be sucked in by the PSP too.
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But if they do take over the Portable market, they will crush the competetion- GameBoy Sales, and now DS sales, is the only thing keeping Nintendo afloat. Well over 3/4 of their earnings come from the Portable market- if Sony or Sega can grab a portion of that, not only will they be more powerful, but they will in turn crush the only competion, and take a market that previously was making Nintendo Tens of Millions each year. in 2003, a found a chart(that has now since become a dead link) that said that Nintendo made a total of 43 Million a year- almost as much as Playstation does with their titles.
If Nintendo loses the Portable War, they're gone.
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I'm pretty sure that Prometheus thing is a hoax, BTW.
I didn't hear about it at all during E3 and I was glued to my monitor the whole time.
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Most "innovations" that the PC gaming industry has brought are simply due to better technology. Not any real gameplay innovations, just physics and graphics are improving.
Still have to disagree with you there. We're not just talking about technology-wise. I can't think of any gameplay concept that's been devised on a console. Except maybe pong. And pong sucked cock anyway. RPGs, FPSs, Sports games, driving games, flight simulators, side-scroll action games, 3rd person action games, RTS games, turn-based strategy games (although I guess those technically originated from board games), solo play, multiplayer, co-op, capture the flag, etc, etc, etc.
I stand firmly behind my statement earlier that consoles are just trimmed-down, mass-marketted, gaming only PCs.
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actually gaming was first seen on an old number cruncher. the game was "core wars"
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actually gaming was first seen on an old number cruncher. the game was "core wars"
Actually gaming was first seen when Thad beat Grok in a fight just for the hell of it.
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Man, this thread is rife with people straight up inventing facts. When you are deciding that a gaming genre was first seen on Personal Computer, it would be helpful if you could name which specific game you're talking about. That way people can name an earlier, console-only example and point triumphantly.
FPS: Wolfenstein 3-D
RTS: Warcraft
RPG: Hmm... How about... Carmen Sandiego ?
Turn-Based Strategy: Oregon Trail
MMO: I believe it was Ultima Online... not sure though.
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And now you show hypocricy by not doing what you wanted us to do. Tell us what was the first.
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Actually, he has to tell us which console games preceded all those.
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Nah, I don't think he ever stated which side (if any) of the argument he is on... but if he is going to say Warcraft wasn't the first RTS, he is just as bad as the people he was complaining about by not saying what was first.
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That way people can name an earlier, console-only example and point triumphantly.
Seems pretty obvious to me which side he's on.
If we want to go oldschool and discuss things like the Atari and Commodore consoles, then we need to acknowledge that they were first considered "non-IBM compatible personal computers." Pong, on the other hand, was first played on an oscilliscope. I'd hardly consider that a console.
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I can't wait till someone actually comes up with a game that was on the console first, so we can ask what they programmed it on (and thusly debugged by playing it on the computer they programmed it on)
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I'm not even sure how the thread got off on this tangent. It was the PC guys who were just looking for a fight!
And I tell you what, that XBox could drop an elephant and the GameCube has always felt like it was specifically designed to be a weapon.
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The Ancient Art of War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ancient_Art_of_War) (Broderbund) was released 8 years before Dune II (Westwood Studios).
But I don't even care anymore.
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PS3 without a doubt. All good things come from Sony! (with the exeption of Halo, Twin Snakes, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Chocolate, and Monkeys)
Seriously though, I'm still looking forward to when the developers get of their asses and actually use the power behind the systems that are already out!
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I'm staying with Nintendo and XBox, mainly because XBox Live has served me well.
I'm also a console AND PC gamer, but this arguement is ridiciulous, it's two "elite" gamers talking nonsense. I went to gamerankings.com and looked up the top 50 games that had 50 reviews or more, and there were around 6 PC games on the whole list... Now thats not a definite "PC GAEMS SUCZ LOLZ" but it does say, shut your trap, you are not game design gods nor game critics, you aren't in the industry (I've actually worked on a shipped title, Rise of Nations), and therefor do not hold any weight to make extremely general claims about PC vs Console gaming. As for my opinion, I like both, they're both sweet and have their strengths, so I don't think people should be bi-polar about it. So once again, shut your trap and think about the fact that you're arguing on the internet.
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Love my Xbox. Love it to death. Especially when I can load games on to the HD. Speedy shit, with such short load-times. Was great with KotoR2 and Halo 2. So I'll probably go with the successor to it, though I'll wait a while to see what kind of modding is possible. I still use my PC for gaming, though, and have for a very long time. I was playing games on my Apple II long before I got my first Nintendo.
Adressing the original talk about the Cell processor, it's not as was described. It's not that you can just add another one into the system and away it goes. The processor is a modified PowerPC with some other functions added in. Nothing more.
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I own a mac so I can't say much about computer games since I only own (World of) Warcraft (III) and The Incredibles(the popcorn of video-games in my opinion). and I cannot say anything on sony because I refuse to buy a PS2 because of all the asshats at my school who only play GTA
anyways, on consoles. I personally hate microsoft and sony, but I own an Xbox. And I have loads of fun on it. I like how I can play games w/ some of the best graphics and I don't have to buy an nVidia 69000 Overclocked super awesome video card w/ PCI Express for $600 (I'm guessing on the prices) and a Athlon 64 processor for about $200 or $300 and a new mobo. Ninja Gaiden kicks ass and i could not imagine it kicking as much ass on a keyboard. Halo 2 is a bit harder lets weigh things out:
$355 (Price of Halo 2 LE and Xbox w/ free Xbox Live card included) VS. $900-$1050 for a full upgraded PC and the PC version of Halo 2 which will come out in about 3 years. I can use a keyboard and mouse!
So I either play Halo 2 now with a nicely tuned controller S or pay $600 more and play it on PC with a keyboard and mouse. The PC version of Halo 2 will look about the same but won't have the analog pad for moving, if you want to slow down you'll have to press "shift"
Gamecube has very good games that are not on the PC but they are few and far between. I'm okay with Nintendo's image (hell, I prefer Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and old Disney cartoons over any of the "Mature" (and generic) stuff in anime) but they need to make more games.
I know I just attacked 5 sides of a bunch of stuff but I still think PCs are cool but consoles provide a better experience overall.
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Even though this would be putting MS torward their dream of world domination, I wish they'd offer Live+broadband service at a fixed rate. Or Live was also a broadband service. I'd feel silly paying for broadband with out a computer.
I'd say Ninja Gaiden is a game that makes the Xbox worth having. It makes you call it daddy and you go back for more.
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Note: all prices are CDN. Suck my teets if you can't grasp the exchange rate.
First, a top of the line computer won't run $900-1050. It'll run $2500-3000. However, it's multi-functional: you can do a lot more then just games. (And if it's an actual PC, you can play a LOT of games. Next time, skip the Mac. :p) As well, you can hook an Xbox controller up to a PC. Though you'd better only do that for a racing game.
My Xbox (four controllers, 3 games, DVD remote) cost me close to $1000. It plays games, and only games. And doesn't play FPS games well. At all. Any gamer who plays FPSs and claims to have some skill better do so on a PC, not an Xbox. They'd get smoked by anybody with a keyboard and a mouse. As a living room entertainment box, it's decent value. As a replacement for a PC gaming platform, it's not. Unless it had a keyboard and mouse.
So, my badly worded point: an Xbox (or any console) isn't exactly cheap, nor can you compare it to a PC. (And you are silly if you do.) If you want to tout the benefits of having a few people clustered around a TV, with four controller, a variety of drinks, and a mad game of Burnout 3, go for it. A PC will never compete with that. Ever. But otherwise, there's no real reason to choose a console over a PC.
ESDF + mouse = ownage.
Ask Jeph.
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You are right on FPSs in general. If a game is built for a console then it will work better on the console it was designed for than a PC. Halo 1 on PC didn't feel right Probably Gearbox's fault, wankers). Halo 2 was built for the xbox from the ground up. They had a PC/Mac port in mind but they were trying to make an excellent Xbox game, not a PC game.
But you are right about FPSs being better on PC for the most part. Max Payne, CS, Jedi Knight, and all those other 1st/3rd person games are better on PC... but thats because they were designed for PC.
oh yeah and that comment about the mac, Fuck you.
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Heh, I've been pretty snide with my Mac comments lately, my apologies. I'm just a bastard.
I use ESDF for a few reasons: I use W and R for leaning, A for use, T and G for zooming in/out, X to drop things, Z to go prone (when called for), CTRL to duck, space to jump, B and V are for team selection and outfitting. Q and C are randomly assigned to things. MB1 = fire, MB3 = reload, MB2 = alt fire, MWU/MWD = weapon scrolling, MB4/MB5 = primary/secondary weapons.
Yes, I've spent a long time perfecting that. :)
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i've heard of much more confusing and fucked up keyboard layouts.... to each his own ;-)
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Well, yeah. I have a friend who plays FPSs with a joystick and the number pad. Nothing has ever compared to that.
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I'm trying to imagine playing a FPS with an old Atari Pong style paddle.
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So....where do your allegiances stand?
I was initially a pro-PS2 nut for 2 years. When I pulled my head out of my but and ditched the "Bill Gates is in a secret room" paranoia and played Halo and DOA3, plus gotta love the hard drive, I became an Xbox convert. Although 3 flavors of Xbox2 I think is lame (still a rumor), they haven't put crap out about the Xbox2, and they chose to use the ATI graphics (hopefully they will make a new chip that supports 3.0 shaders and not used the gimped X8xx chip), I'm on the middle leaning towards Xbox2.
PS3 sounds impressive, but I don't want to buy 3 PS3s, or have a smart toilet, to play some new suped up game that needs the horsepower. 1 console, 1 game is the best option.
As for Nintendo, the GameCube was lame...especially the controller w/that BIG green utton that seems to hide the 3 that are around it. I just haven't been impressed w/Nintendo as of late. They aren't the trend setters anymore, they're followers, hence their position in the console market. Look at the stupid GameBoy for example. The basically the same crap screen since the first GameBoy. I'm reading about thin screens that can wrap around cans that Coca-Cola could use for advertising, yet Nintendo couldn't think of doing what Sony was doing? Nintendo is dying a slow painful death. They should just cave into the rumors and make games for all the consoles right now, because they will make money back that they've lost since they came out w/the GameCube.
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I think Nintendo should still make games because I still like Mario, but I think they should take him in a new direction. Mario should be all RPG all the time, that would kick so much ass. The Paper Mario games are on the top of my favorite games list. and RE4 (even though Nintendo didn't develop it) is perfectly tuned for the GC controller. Viewtiful Joe kicked ass. But, alas, this is like talking about how John Kerry(nintendo) would being a better president than Bush(sony). I think you're right about nintendo going the way of sega... but I don't want to believe it.
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ATI has a new generation of vid cards that isn't based on the 9700 core. More info: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20919
I think ATI may be going with a common GPU that can be programmed to do anything. That'd be just awesome.
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"As for Nintendo, the GameCube was lame...especially the controller w/that BIG green utton that seems to hide the 3 that are around it. I just haven't been impressed w/Nintendo as of late. They aren't the trend setters anymore, they're followers, hence their position in the console market. Look at the stupid GameBoy for example. The basically the same crap screen since the first GameBoy. I'm reading about thin screens that can wrap around cans that Coca-Cola could use for advertising, yet Nintendo couldn't think of doing what Sony was doing? Nintendo is dying a slow painful death. They should just cave into the rumors and make games for all the consoles right now, because they will make money back that they've lost since they came out w/the GameCube."
They've made more profit than either Sony or Microsoft. Sega's actually lost more money since dropping out of the hardware business.
They're not going anywhere.
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PS2 was mostly a hunk of crap, so I suspect the PS3 to be as well. I'll be sticking with Microsoft and Nintendo.
Post-post Evaluation: Simple, yet effective.
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Man the controler excuse is oldhat. I think people underestimate Nintendo. Maybe they don't stick to trend-setting because they think beyond trends. Which stupid Gameboy? Three sucessful variations. I can only see improvements since the first GB up to just the SP. I'd say that graphics on alot of games on SP are about par with the SNES. The DS I believe is around par graphics with the N64. I
t is all just matter of opinion on what you like to play. I like all three current systems out.
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I like the GCN controller. It's not adaptable to cross-platform games, but that's not what Nintendo cares about. All games specifically developed for the GCN use it beautifully.
All controller innovations in the past 15 years (except dual analog sticks) have been Nintendo's doing, and they already did it again this generation too(reliable wireless).
I think the GCN was one of the biggest mistakes they've ever made, not because it's less powerful than the XBox or PS2, but because they tried to keep their individuality while trying to fit in. It doesn't work. That's why they're going in a different direction, drastically apart from Sony and MS this next generation.
They're not going the way of Sega, simply because they're going to try to go the way of Apple.
Think different.
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My mind gets kind of excited at what ideas they may be comming up with after the DS.
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At the end of the day, I like how the Xbox is pretty close to a PC. Mod chip + big HD == all the fun you ever need. Streaming xvid/divx movies across the network via the Xbox's wireless card... All I could ask for. Well, mebbe a TV-in, so I could use it as a PVR as well. :)
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Man, I just love how a bunch of you are saying how nintendo is dying and losing money and whatnot. They're making money, they're not going to go out of business. Jesus. You're acting as if they're not selling anything at all ever.
EDIT: And someone one the other page said the first RPG Was Carmen Sandiego or something; I'm pretty sure it was either Nethack or Rogue, whichever came first.
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Nintendo isn't dying, no. But it sure did lose dominance in the marketplace. Badly. PSP is outselling the DS. Granted there's a huge installed base of GBA, but still, you don't want a competitor to change that.
Ah well. Some of us grew up with the NES, but Nintendo didn't grow with us.
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Nintendo isn't dying, no. But it sure did lose dominance in the marketplace. Badly. PSP is outselling the DS. Granted there's a huge installed base of GBA, but still, you don't want a competitor to change that.
Ah well. Some of us grew up with the NES, but Nintendo didn't grow with us.
The PSP is outselling the DS by about 10,000 units a week, for the past two weeks in Japan.
Before that, the DS had a 60,000 unit lead in just January alone, though, not to mention the 400,000+ unit lead it already had from December.
The PSP is slightly outselling it week to week now. The DS has already massively outsold it overall.
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The DS has the advantage of being released earlier than the PSP. But will that lead hold out? I guess we should revisit the question in six months time, and see what has happened.
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Considering how much more the DS sold in the same amount of time after its release that the PSP has sold thus far, it's a fair bet that it'll maintain a decent lead.
The next wave of DS games is hitting Japan soon as well. Sales will increase, not decrease.
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They've made more profit than either Sony or Microsoft. Sega's actually lost more money since dropping out of the hardware business.
They're not going anywhere.
You crack me up.
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Which stupid Gameboy? Three sucessful variations. I can only see improvements since the first GB up to just the SP.
Adding a light, color and a new case doesn't make old tech revolutionary.
I'd say that graphics on alot of games on SP are about par with the SNES. The DS I believe is around par graphics with the N64. It is all just matter of opinion on what you like to play. I like all three current systems out.
Saying the DS is on par w/the 64 and the SP is on par w/the SNES? Maybe when I'm drunk and I can't see clearly. Also, the GameBoy was only successful because of 2 factors, 1. no competion or 2. crap competition. When American consumers see what the PSP can do, except for GB loyalists, will be scratching their heads and asking why Nintendo didn't do this years ago...which they could've. To say otherwise, then I will ask you to share what you're taking.
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You crack me up.
Congratulations on winning the Generic Internet Comeback Award!
You're well on your way to the Giant Forum Asshole Achievement Trophy!
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You sound like some sorta creepy cultist in a way. I play all video game systems and when I can afford it I'd be down with getting a PSP. At the end of March I'm not dropping between $300-$400 dollars on a PSP because I have other priorties. That would be almost to over half of my pay check.
I said around par. I'm enjoying it as much as my SP. It's not like i'm OMGUDONT LIKE TEHSAME STUFASMEUSUCK.
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The PSP will be $200, I'm pretty sure. Sony's been weaseling out of announcing a release date or price, but $200 is reasonable and competitive.
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New Leaked Info on the Revolution aka the Nintendo 21 (http://www.4colorrebellion.com/index.php?p=137)
Well. It's different, at least.
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He! That would be pretty amusing if the controller made some sort of groaning like noise when you rub it.
Sounds pretty awesome.
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Yes, I always wanted to rub my console to make it happy. Really. Where's the spooge port?
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That's what I thought the top of the Sexbox...I mean Xbox controller was for.
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"Also the controller has a slot."
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A slot, eh? I dunno, round peg, rectangular slot? :)
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Congratulations on winning the Generic Internet Comeback Award!
You're well on your way to the Giant Forum Asshole Achievement Trophy!
Although I'm not here to stroke your balls, your reply was pretty funny.