Ex-girlfriend gives current girlfriend advice. Cute!
Ex-girlfriend gives current girlfriend advice. Cute!
Dammit. My sarcasm detector unit failed again.
Nice one, Dora. :-D
Claire needed this fullstop badly.
Hmm, we´ve seen a lot of Claires manipulative side in her last appearances. Thinking of it, I think that we have seen almost nothing else but her beeing pushy or manipulative. Mostly with Clinton, which we are used to. But she also tried her tricks with Marten. And I wonder if there is something more behind this. I don´t think she´s this way all day, which would make her rather unbearable. But I wonder if Jeph is trying to take her character in some direction by only showing her behaving this way.
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I'm cool with just more dick and butt jokes. I'm a man of simple tastes.
Also, what's Dora holding in panel one?
Also, what's Dora holding in panel one?
This has been mentioned in a few other places, but I wonder what you guys think; is Jeph refocusing the comic on Clinton and Brun and Faye? Do you think it's a good idea? No 'this is how it would work', or long debates. But I wonder what other's think.
Is it just me or is Brun's hair getting... just a little floofier in each panel?
Is it just me or is Brun's hair getting... just a little floofier in each panel?
Is it just me or is Brun's hair getting... just a little floofier in each panel?
This has been mentioned in a few other places, but I wonder what you guys think; is Jeph refocusing the comic on Clinton and Brun and Faye? Do you think it's a good idea? No 'this is how it would work', or long debates. But I wonder what other's think.
So did she recover the phone number that was destroyed in the shower or did they just exchange numbers?
Brun pokes her phone with her forefinger, like I do. But I thought that the serious texters of the modern generation use their thumbs like my grandchildren do. How do you text?
I presume they just did it - it would be a boring panel to include.
Panel 1 makes me wonder that Brun is going to feel obliged to at least look into taking up curling because she owns a curling jacket. Either that or she'll throw away the jacket because she doesn't want to take up curling!
This has been mentioned in a few other places, but I wonder what you guys think; is Jeph refocusing the comic on Clinton and Brun and Faye? Do you think it's a good idea? No 'this is how it would work', or long debates. But I wonder what other's think.
Any change is bound to please some and displease others.
In this case, I think a different focus was necessary to avoid a rut of "good thing happens to Marten" followed by "bad thing happens to Marten" ad infinitum.
It's also good, I think, for Jeph to have a few ongoing stories up his sleeve to choose from when inspiration strikes.
I know you didn't mean anything by it, but as an autistic person, I find "autist" kind of an insensitive term.Panel 1 makes me wonder that Brun is going to feel obliged to at least look into taking up curling because she owns a curling jacket. Either that or she'll throw away the jacket because she doesn't want to take up curling!
I think it's the echoing thing some autists do.
I think it's the echoing thing some autists do.I know you didn't mean anything by it, but as an autistic person, I find "autist" kind of an insensitive term.
The word I've most often heard (usually in an artistic context) is 'auteur'.Except that also means a film director/producer/screenwriter
Well what term would you want to be used for the clinical condition, if not autism? Should I have used "a person of the spectrum", or something?I know you didn't mean anything by it, but as an autistic person, I find "autist" kind of an insensitive term.Panel 1 makes me wonder that Brun is going to feel obliged to at least look into taking up curling because she owns a curling jacket. Either that or she'll throw away the jacket because she doesn't want to take up curling!
I think it's the echoing thing some autists do.
Yeah, it's weird to be reduced to a diagnosis. It's an aspect of a person, but not the entire person, so I think the adjective "autistic" is preferrable over the substantive "autist". "An autistic person" instead of "an autist".
Is it just me or is Brun's hair getting... just a little floofier in each panel?
Welp, that's how their world is gonna end. An exponential increase of hair floof.
I know you didn't mean anything by it, but as an autistic person, I find "autist" kind of an insensitive term.
Yeah, it's weird to be reduced to a diagnosis. It's an aspect of a person, but not the entire person, so I think the adjective "autistic" is preferrable over the substantive "autist". "An autistic person" instead of "an autist".
It isn't mentioning autism that concerned anyone. It's been discussed multiple times in past threads in relation to Brun and by members discussing themselves and their experiences. The term used makes makes someone's entire being about this one part of them and in doing so can erase their personhood.
Ankhtahr already answered your question.Yeah, it's weird to be reduced to a diagnosis. It's an aspect of a person, but not the entire person, so I think the adjective "autistic" is preferrable over the substantive "autist". "An autistic person" instead of "an autist".
Is it just me or is Brun's hair getting... just a little floofier in each panel?
I believe that was the joke.The word I've most often heard (usually in an artistic context) is 'auteur'.Except that also means a film director/producer/screenwriter
Am I the only person that likes gestural typing on a phone? I find it less stressful than trying to hit tiny onscreen keys with my big fumble fingers. Sometimes it generates the wrong words, but then again so does regular smartphone typing.
Ladies, just out of interest - How many of you think that awkward guys are cute? Not a scientific analysis, of course, but we might as well see how common is Dora and Claire's preference in men!Awkwardness per se, no. But it's often symptomatic of other qualities that set my heart racing.
However, we've also known for a while that she really, really wants to help people be happy (and is often obnoxiously assertive and/or manipulative about doing so). Yet there is no malice about her; she's motivated entirely by the view that she needs to push people in the right direction because they can't see it themselves for various reasons.Hmm... Perhaps Jeph should have named her Emma, but that shout-out might have been too austentatious. :claireface:
Yet there is no malice about her; she's motivated entirely by the view that she needs to push people in the right direction because they can't see it themselves for various reasons. It's a conceit, yes, but it's a nice conceitThe problem is, this is exactly how religious bigots think. They think they know better than you and try to force youto follow their idea of how you should live your life, for your own food. Actually the same could be said for far left liberals, too, the kind who want to outlaw smoking and junk food. There are always people who want to make you do what they feel is best for you, no matter what you want for yourself. A lack of malice does not make the behaviour any less shitty
QuoteYet there is no malice about her; she's motivated entirely by the view that she needs to push people in the right direction because they can't see it themselves for various reasons. It's a conceit, yes, but it's a nice conceitThe problem is, this is exactly how religious bigots think. They think they know better than you and try to force youto follow their idea of how you should live your life, for your own food. Actually the same could be said for far left liberals, too, the kind who want to outlaw smoking and junk food. There are always people who want to make you do what they feel is best for you, no matter what you want for yourself. A lack of malice does not make the behaviour any less shitty
Wow, this comic is deserves a flood of Not Cool Jeph emails and messages headed his way. An entire comic in the main line referencing something that only the 3.5 thousand Patreon supporters got to see? Not Cool Jeph.
Paid premium content is fine. Making it so that the free content is worse unless you also have the paid content is not so fine.Wow, this comic is deserves a flood of Not Cool Jeph emails and messages headed his way. An entire comic in the main line referencing something that only the 3.5 thousand Patreon supporters got to see? Not Cool Jeph.
If I pay now, can I still see the strip?
Also, this is totally cool. Premium paid content is to what we are generally going as a society, so why not web comics too?
Wow, this comic is deserves a flood of Not Cool Jeph emails and messages headed his way. An entire comic in the main line referencing something that only the 3.5 thousand Patreon supporters got to see? Not Cool Jeph.
If I pay now, can I still see the strip?
Also, this is totally cool. Premium paid content is to what we are generally going as a society, so why not web comics too?
Yep, you can! Just checked & I can see Patreon posts from way before I actually joined. $1/month isn't much, the main barrier for me was having yet another login to remember :-P
If you didn't find it funny, then knowing something about what caused it won't make it funnier.
Edit: to go a bit further into it, Patreons know what Marigold was yelling about, but are no wiser than you are about how Dale ended up with concussion. The humour, either way, lies in wondering how the heck that happened.
Edit number two: The whole conversation is basically a noodle incident (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoodleIncident).
If you didn't find it funny, then knowing something about what caused it won't make it funnier.I mentioned (in so many words) 'Noodle incedent' style humor in my first post, and my statement remains that it doesn't work here, because they're not mentioning some mystery event, they're mentioning an actual thing that happened in continuity.
Edit: to go a bit further into it, Patreons know what Marigold was yelling about, but are no wiser than you are about how Dale ended up with concussion. The humour, either way, lies in wondering how the heck that happened.
Edit number two: The whole conversation is basically a noodle incident (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoodleIncident).
And, in general, knowing more about the situation *does* make a joke funnier.
I could tell you right now everything that happened in the comic you didn't see.Well, after the fact? Yeah, probably. If I had known it in advance, though? I doubt it.
I guarantee you wouldn't suddenly find today's comic funny.
But how do you know when you haven't seen it?A rule of thumb I use for comedy: You want the audience to do as little thinking as possible, unless their confusion is the point of the joke. The space between humor and understanding the humor should be almost nonexistent. That's why explaining a joke kills it: By the time they understand the punchline, it's taken so long to get there that it's no longer funny.
There is nothing of anything significance in the comic you didn't see that can't be very simply inferred from reading today's comic.
A rule of thumb I use for comedy: You want the audience to do as little thinking as possible, unless their confusion is the point of the joke. The space between humor and understanding the humor should be almost nonexistent. That's why explaining a joke kills it: By the time they understand the punchline, it's taken so long to get there that it's no longer funny.
I still don't see how it is so difficult to understand what they are talking about in any of the panels. It is pretty obvious, sorry.(click to show/hide)
Don't have time to debate further. The joke obviously didn't work for you, you can't win them all.
A better rule of thumb: comedy works better when you let the audience join the dots instead of overexplaining it.
I'm going to add real quick that it's entirely possible, if not likely, that Jeph did this entirely by accident. Chances are, he just thought, "Hey, this would be a funny follow-up strip to my Patreon comic," wrote it, and published it the same as he does every other comic, without considering how it might read to a casual audience. It seems unlikely that this is a pure "Lookit-my-patreon!" Ad comic.I could tell you right now everything that happened in the comic you didn't see.Well, after the fact? Yeah, probably. If I had known it in advance, though? I doubt it.
I guarantee you wouldn't suddenly find today's comic funny.
Perhaps I'm being thick (wouldn't be the first time), but there's something about this I don't understand. Specifically, whose place did the noodle incident take place at?
On the one hand, May is there, suggesting it happened at Dale and May's place. But then if you look at the Patreon comic, it seems that Dale was leaving in a fit of embarrassment. Why would he leave his own place? Where was he expecting to go? In fact he says he's going "home," which suggests the action is happening at Marigold and Momo's. If that's the case, why is May there? Does she follow Dale around on his sleepover nights? Her conversation with Momo says May "went in the living room." Does May usually not just follow Dale over to Marigold's, but also stay in the room with them? Whut?
Maybe I'm overthinking this, but I can't work it out.
Y'all do know Jeph linked the Patreon strip in the comic description, right?
Agreed. I'm totally cool with him expanding the universe with side comics for paid subscribers. I'm not at all cool with him implying that comprehension of a main series comic is dependent on being a paid subscriber. That crosses a line.Also, this is totally cool. Premium paid content is to what we are generally going as a society, so why not web comics too?Paid premium content is fine. Making it so that the free content is worse unless you also have the paid content is not so fine.
If you didn't find it funny, then knowing something about what caused it won't make it funnier.I disagree. There have been many times where, once an inside joke was explained to me, I cracked up at imagining the situation that they were cracking up at having been through, despite being utterly perplexed when parrots came up in the conversation.
So is Patreon like Slipshine? David Willis introduced me to that and I have not been disappointed. :wink:Not at all. Slipshine is a subscription to an aggregate of content providers, like a newspaper or most other porn sites- for the specific returns of access to the back catalog and to the episodic updates for the duration of your subscription. Patreon is specifically patronizing a single artist or artwork (a band, say) with highly variable returns, often based on tiers. Sometimes you get nothing that anyone else can't get except warm fuzzies, sometimes personalized art just for you, sometimes content completely removed from the reason you know them, like a music blog.
Y'all do know Jeph linked the Patreon strip in the comic description, right?That link was not there initially. Presumably he added it after enough people said Not Cool Jeph.
It's my turn to be thick. I didn't know that Dale had moved in, I thought he was just sleeping over there on a regular basis but still had his own place.
Feel free to correct me with a comic reference, those of you with archive-fu.
Edit: Confession time. The thought I just had: "Oh NOODLE INCIDENT HA AH HA HA HA AHA HAHAHAH that is funny, I am so so slow. Ohhhh my head hurts."
That's not a problem unique to non-Patreon subscribers. The comic is all we got, too. But it's not necessarily a problem, imagination kicks in where canon leaves off.Y'all do know Jeph linked the Patreon strip in the comic description, right?
The problem with that is that it doesn't answer the burning question that I had. Did May's "encouragement" involve dressing up as a cheeerleader?
I don't know what all the fuss was about. Even after following the link the whole retelling of the incident works just fine without it.
I would note that Marigold went over to Dale's place for a bootycall and because he was so embarrassed about whatever dirty thing he whispered into her ear he was willing to walk out of his own apartment which is part of the joke.
The thing everyone has missed amid the furor over Patreon vs. non-Patreon comics...
... is that May is walking around in a tank top while everyone else (including Momo) is wearing jackets.
Sure, May's a robot and may not be as sensitive to the cold as meat-based life forms. But she isn't even trying to blend in any more.
Buying new clothes would just get in the way of her goals. She still has to save up for that rocket launcher...I thought she was still fixated on getting a very fast drone air-frame.
Well what term would you want to be used for the clinical condition, if not autism? Should I have used "a person of the spectrum", or something?I know it has not explicitly spelled out yet, but won't you all agree that Brun does a bunch of things that stereotypically go with that disorder. Not all the things, mind you; she's not an over-flanderized caricature. She does have almost a normal range of expressions for example, no blank stare, no over-pronoinced "cartoon expressions" either and no eye-contact problems.Her basic expression seems to be :O , she has her mouth open a lot.'Hallmarks'. The word you're looking for is 'hallmarks'. Jeph doesn't seem the ableist type and often does a fair bit of research on things and traits he includes in the comic. Stereotypes tend to be a lot less nuanced.
To my mind the Patreon comic was not necessary to make the main comic funny. TBH, it was (in isolation) so meh as to be a failure as an advertisement for the benefits of subscribing.The problem for me was, the after text was basically "This is an in joke!, in order to be in on the joke, you must not simply be a faithful reader, you must also give me money, or be forever kept in suspense!"
QuoteYet there is no malice about her; she's motivated entirely by the view that she needs to push people in the right direction because they can't see it themselves for various reasons. It's a conceit, yes, but it's a nice conceitThe problem is, this is exactly how religious bigots think. They think they know better than you and try to force youto follow their idea of how you should live your life, for your own food. Actually the same could be said for far left liberals, too, the kind who want to outlaw smoking and junk food. There are always people who want to make you do what they feel is best for you, no matter what you want for yourself. A lack of malice does not make the behaviour any less shitty
All I know if that May's face still looks freaky to me..Her face, and only her face, being a different tone from the rest of her body looks a little strange, but it is the result of a repair.
When did May's face turn from khaki to white?
I do wonder if the AI bartender is related to Punch Bot. Maybe he's also named Punch Bot because of a proficiency is making rum punch.
You know that you're running out of employment options in your favoured career track when a robot tells you that they're not hiring! I guess finding semi-skilled service-level work in a college town is pretty hard!
I find myself wishing to see more of what happened in the bar in panel 2. 'Nope' is such a brush-off that I'm wondering if Brun tried a variant approach that didn't exactly resonate well with the lady with whom she's conversing. Either that or it's a high-class place (as opposed to The Horrible Revelation, which just likes to act like it's a high-class place) and she was getting the snobby 'get lost, peon' treatment.
Why is yesterday's link to the Patreon comic on the front page instead of the relevant page?
To my mind the Patreon comic was not necessary to make the main comic funny. TBH, it was (in isolation) so meh as to be a failure as an advertisement for the benefits of subscribing.The problem for me was, the after text was basically "This is an in joke!, in order to be in on the joke, you must not simply be a faithful reader, you must also give me money, or be forever kept in suspense!"
Yes, he put a link hours later, presumably after people complained, and yes, once I could see the comic it turned out to still be a noodle incident between the two strips, but that can't change that initial interpretation (also visible in a different tone from freeman and cucumber error in their posts after mine). Jeph's Patreon was one of the ones on my "to support when I have enough money to throw some of it at Patreons" list and now it's not because that was a Not Cool move.
I honestly don't know what people are complaining about. I read the comic and got the joke just fine. I didn't even know it was referencing another strip until I came here and saw people complaining about it. I just thought it was mentioning something that happened off camera, the details of which were unimportant to the humor of the joke. It was the reaction to the invisible incident that mattered.
I sense that Jeph is leading to something here - maybe a job at CoD or The Secret Bakery?
May be just me projecting.
Brun do public relations? I'm not sure she's got the...temperament for that kind of job. She'd do better opening her own bar.
The robot fight club doesn't seem to have anyone in charge of public relations.
An Anthro-PC fight club can probably fly under the radar. But start selling alcohol and the Massachusetts Alcoholic Beverages Control Commission (not to mention the federal ATF) would be all over them. The whole enterprise would be shut down faster than May can shout an expletive, and Corpse Witch could be looking at a stint in robot jail.The robot fight club doesn't seem to have anyone in charge of public relations.
Or a bar . . .
We're gonna need that in the real world to be honest.*Brun sits down at the board meeting/session of Congress/etc*
That reminds me that my country hasn't had a formed government for 11 months already :mrgreen:
Good plan? Great plan!