Post by: lb969 on 01 Feb 2005, 14:27
My vote goes to:
Jaco Pastorius
(http://www.jacopastorius.com/images/scrapbook/photos/scrapbook_photo007.jpg)
Post by: blindsuperhero on 01 Feb 2005, 14:33
Post by: czar0406 on 01 Feb 2005, 14:35
(http://www.ipass.net/jthrush/kirasm.jpg)
Post by: will: wanton sex god on 01 Feb 2005, 14:39
it really depends on what youre looking for. some bass players are great becuase they play...great bass.
to me wooten and pastorious play other parts, they just happen to use a bass to do it.
Post by: AndSheeWas on 01 Feb 2005, 14:41
Post by: Kai on 01 Feb 2005, 15:06
EDIT: Picture.
(http://www.jamography.com/RoadTrippin/Les%20Claypool/les2_7-31-01_jam.jpg)
Post by: nothingwitty on 01 Feb 2005, 18:39
Post by: KharBevNor on 01 Feb 2005, 18:58
If as a solo instrument, I would say Victor Wooten. If not, I honestly have no idea. As a guitarist/singer I tend to concentrate on the guitar and vocal parts in songs, and only really notice bass if it goes wrong. :/
Post by: Kai on 01 Feb 2005, 19:21
Quote from: Awkward Silence
No offense, but I think Claypool's really overrated.
Hey, you're opinion. :D I just happen to really like Primus/Les Claypool, so.
Post by: -sam on 01 Feb 2005, 20:32
Quote from: KharBevNor
will makes an important point: are we talking bass as a solo instrument or implemented well into the overall structure of a band?
If as a solo instrument, I would say Victor Wooten.
On this we agree, but then again I'm a huge Flecktones fanboy :). I guess other "politically correct" answers would be John Entwhistle and Cliff Burton, but for me I just enjoy what Stefan Lessard(DMB) brings to the table. He's not a flashy guy, but he holds it down and what-not. Not like I really know what I'm talking about but when has that ever stopped anybody on the Internet? :)
-sam
Post by: mAlice aforeThought on 01 Feb 2005, 20:36
Post by: Johnny C on 01 Feb 2005, 21:07
Also, Carlos D is pretty solid.
Post by: jeph on 01 Feb 2005, 23:28
Everyone who plays the instrument owes a debt to him whether they realize it or not.
Somewhat off-topic: I don't think the bass makes a very good "lead" instrument. People like Jaco and Wooten (and to a lesser extent Claypool) bore the shit out of me, technical skills or no. Full disclosure- I've played bass for over 10 years now.
Post by: RaideR on 02 Feb 2005, 00:41
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Post by: rynne on 02 Feb 2005, 06:50
Rika mm' from Melt-Banana is impressive to watch, if for nothing else than seeing such a tiny woman belt out such insanely high-speed riffs.
That being said, for the most part, I like bassists that aren't necessarily showy, but who understand how the bass should anchor songs. Folks like Alex James or Justin Chancellor.
Post by: Apathy on 02 Feb 2005, 07:47
Post by: catflea on 02 Feb 2005, 07:54
He even looks like jesus.
Post by: Spencer on 02 Feb 2005, 08:03
Quote from: Johnny C
Lars Friedriksen.
What you meant to say was Matt Freeman, and I must admit, he was the first name that came to mind for me as well. He's definitly one of the, if not the, best punk bassists (Lars is Rancids lead guitarist).
Jeordie White (aka Twiggy Ramirez) probably has/had one of the most interesting and fun stage presences of any bassists I've seen, but then again, everyone that has been in Marilyn Manson has got stage prescence.
While Im not proclaiming this guy to be the best or anything, whomever plays Bass for Franz Ferdinand gets a nod as one of my favorites. I love the basslines in most of the franz tunes. It just makes me want to jump around and shake my ass.
Post by: Apathy on 02 Feb 2005, 09:45
Post by: blindsuperhero on 02 Feb 2005, 10:10
Quote from: Spencer
What you meant to say was Matt Freeman, and I must admit, he was the first name that came to mind for me as well.
He was the first name that came to my mind as well, but probably only because he wins every single 'best bass player' thread I've seen (I mis-spent my youth in more punk-rock orientated forums). Actually, no, the first name that came to my mind was Mingus, which was my insta-reply, but I guess that wasn't the kind of bass player they were looking for. Matt Freeman is good, but because of the very limited style of music Rancid play I don't think he could be the best bass player. Colin from Radiohead is pretty good, musically, as opposed to technicality-y, one thing that I always noticed about Radiohead was how prominent the bass is, far more so than any similar bands (not that there really are similar bands, but anyway) and Colin's bass playing is really unique, one of the most important factors in the unique Radiohead sound
Post by: Count_Zero on 02 Feb 2005, 12:55
Count
Post by: Finding Emo on 02 Feb 2005, 13:18
Post by: Banana_Hammock on 02 Feb 2005, 16:04
Hands down the greates ever!
Post by: MilkmanDan on 03 Feb 2005, 03:19
Actually, I have no idea, as Squarepusher is the only person I've ever seen play the bass as a solo instrument, so he kinda wins automatically.
Though I did see Amp Fiddler at Dedbeat last year and their bassist was fully seventies and played awesome funky basslines with the bass behind his head.
Post by: Burninated Peasant on 03 Feb 2005, 11:37
Seriously though, I rarely focus on bass unless the band intentionally showcases it, i.e. Les Claypool or Death From Above 1979. While I enjoy it in those two examples I would hardly call either the best bassist ever.
Time to go through my music collection... Who knows, maybe it is Geddy Lee. ;p "Fly by night to Mountain Dew..."
(Bonus points to anyone who gets the Mountain Dew reference.)
Post by: c1utch on 03 Feb 2005, 16:05
Flea - RHCP
Tim Commerford - RATM
and yes Jaco Pastorious and Les Claypool are very good as well
:)
Post by: BehringerBoy on 04 Feb 2005, 08:15
Post by: DeathrockZombie on 04 Feb 2005, 09:41
Quote from: jeph
James Jamerson.
Everyone who plays the instrument owes a debt to him whether they realize it or not.
Damn right! Also.. BOOTSY!
~ basim
Post by: RaideR on 05 Feb 2005, 02:15
Quote from: c1utch
John Paul Jones - Led Zepplin
Flea - RHCP
Tim Commerford - RATM
and yes Jaco Pastorious and Les Claypool are very good as well
:)
i agree, but add Stefan Ude from Guano Apes to the list and it's perfect
Stefan Ude
(http://img.muzikus.cz/clanky/002443_01.jpg)
Post by: est on 05 Feb 2005, 05:33
gg everyone. thanks for playing.
Post by: Sturge on 05 Feb 2005, 05:44
Quote from: rynne
Rika mm' from Melt-Banana is impressive to watch, if for nothing else than seeing such a tiny woman belt out such insanely high-speed riffs.
yes! you will also notice if you've seen 'em live, that the bass is about the same size as her.
Post by: Kai on 05 Feb 2005, 09:11
Quote from: Burninated Peasant
(Bonus points to anyone who gets the Mountain Dew reference.)
"It's nightblade the halfling theif and he's carrying a 12 pack of Mountain Dew."
"No way! His character is carrying mountain dew too?!"
"If I roll a ten or above then yes.... Eleven."
Post by: blooflame on 05 Feb 2005, 16:26
Entwhistle of The Who? countless great bass lines
Ron Carter who has spanned decades from playing jazz to playing with hip-hop fusion folks?
Larry Taylor - Canned Heat and various John Mayall projects? Well, I'm not surprised, he's not well known in current music circles.
On another note - I met Jaco Pastorius once, not because of music, but I played "pee wee" football with his little brother
Post by: Conatonc on 05 Feb 2005, 20:19
I tend to lean towards Claypool myself. He can run the show or just sit back and play a support role, depending on the band.
If we're talking punk bass, I feel that Karl Alvarez of The Descendents and ALL deserves a mention. He's been doing really creative basslines for 2 decades now.
Post by: Burninated Peasant on 05 Feb 2005, 22:49
Quote from: Kai
"It's nightblade the halfling theif and he's carrying a 12 pack of Mountain Dew."
"No way! His character is carrying mountain dew too?!"
"If I roll a ten or above then yes.... Eleven."
Hehehe, you got it, Kai. I think my favourite sketch was the first roleplaying one, though:
"Ogres? Hey, I have a +9 Ogre slaying dagger!"
"You're not there! You're at the tavern getting drunk!"
"Well okay then, but if there's any girls there, I wanna DO THEM!"
Post by: badbum61 on 06 Feb 2005, 06:44
I agree with conatonc, too.....from the more recent crop, Karl Alvarez deserves major props. Damn, that boy knows melody!
And Andrew Weiss, the Bassosaurus.
Post by: mAlice aforeThought on 06 Feb 2005, 07:50
Post by: badbum61 on 06 Feb 2005, 17:50
Post by: Johnny C on 06 Feb 2005, 22:05
Quote from: Spencer
What you meant to say was Matt Freeman, and I must admit, he was the first name that came to mind for me as well. He's definitly one of the, if not the, best punk bassists (Lars is Rancids lead guitarist).
*swearing*
I do not know how I always mix those two up but I do.
Also, what the hell is this D&D stuff because it makes me laugh.
Post by: Cpt.Fantastic on 07 Feb 2005, 11:32
John Entwhistle - The Who (you MUST watch live footage)
Jack Bruce - Cream
Greg Lake - Emerson, Lake and Palmer
sounds good to me...
Post by: Kai on 07 Feb 2005, 15:56
Quote from: Johnny C
Also, what the hell is this D&D stuff because it makes me laugh.
Got to your favorite filesharing program and look up "The Deadale Wives".
Post by: Burninated Peasant on 07 Feb 2005, 17:12
Yes, I'm a geek. And proud of it. :)
Post by: Kai on 07 Feb 2005, 17:15
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Post by: CidHighwind on 09 Feb 2005, 14:44
(http://www.nunnie.com/cliff-1.jpg)
Post by: RaideR on 21 Feb 2005, 12:27
(http://www.outtrax.com/home/gfx/bass_fieldy.jpg)
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Post by: blindsuperhero on 21 Feb 2005, 12:47
Quote from: RaideR
Fieldy is a really good bassplayer
roffle.
Post by: mee-kay-la on 21 Feb 2005, 13:20
Quote from: c1utch
John Paul Jones - Led Zepplin
Flea - RHCP
FRIEND!
Post by: Super Dave on 21 Feb 2005, 16:37
Quote from: Johnny C
My bassist friend says David Ellefson of Megadeth is pretty good. Having paid little attention to their bassist in the past, I am in no position to disagree.
I must definitley agree; i <3 Megadeth to death
Post by: muffy on 21 Feb 2005, 16:47
(http://www.staybeautiful.net/pictures/00316.jpg)
The Wire..
Post by: Jooooosh on 21 Feb 2005, 16:48
Post by: muffy on 21 Feb 2005, 16:58
Yup, nothing quite like a 6' Welshman in a Laura Ashley frock..
Post by: KharBevNor on 21 Feb 2005, 17:13
Post by: Johnny C on 21 Feb 2005, 20:19
Quote from: Super Dave
I must definitley agree; i <3 Megadeth to death
David, is that you?
Post by: ev0lve on 21 Feb 2005, 21:26
Quote from: Burninated Peasant
If you guys had seen Orgasmo, you would know that the best bassist ever is Geddy Lee from Rush! :D
Who knows, maybe it is Geddy Lee. ;p
i was going to answer Geddy Lee. and i'm completely serious :(
Post by: Super Dave on 24 Feb 2005, 19:49
Quote from: Johnny C
Quote from: Super DaveI must definitley agree; i <3 Megadeth to death
David, is that you?
Only on sundays.
Post by: dagny on 24 Feb 2005, 20:01
Post by: TatInTheHat on 24 Feb 2005, 22:58
But I supposed that's my own bias talking. :-P
Post by: dontstaylong on 25 Feb 2005, 12:09
Quote from: jeph
James Jamerson.
jeph, not only can you draw a mean comic, but you know your shit. i'd say 3/4s of the people mentioned on this thread are nothing compared to jamerson.
bootsy, while i know he's an awesome bassist, also wins the award for Coolest Motherfucker on the Planet. hands down.
Post by: Conatonc on 26 Feb 2005, 10:55
Quote
Fieldy is a really good bassplayer
Fieldy isn't a bass player, he's a percussionist who happens to use a bass guitar as his chosen instrument.
Post by: m4cphisto on 26 Feb 2005, 17:30
john paul jones- because he can also play mandolin
Post by: Beorht-Dana on 03 Mar 2005, 21:32
Best bassist I know: Basim Usmani :)
(http://mil.sinsanctuary.com/61704_7.jpg)
Post by: andrew116 on 04 Mar 2005, 14:37
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Post by: Kyoku on 04 Mar 2005, 17:39
NO ONE could make a bass sound as spine-meltingly beautiful as the late, great Bobby Sheenan.
Post by: ElRodente on 04 Mar 2005, 17:53
maybe not the best ever
and the guy from rancid is pretty ok at it
edit: matt freeman
Post by: m4cphisto on 05 Mar 2005, 16:44
Quote from: andrew116
hmmm best bass player? well besides me i'd have to say Cone from Sum41
*chokes* nooooooooooooooooo
Post by: Kai on 05 Mar 2005, 21:41
Quote from: andrew116
hmmm best bass player? well besides me i'd have to say Cone from Sum41
Dear god. I spit my drink all over my desk when I read this. Jesus christ.
Post by: Super Dave on 05 Mar 2005, 21:46
Quote from: andrew116
hmmm best bass player? well besides me i'd have to say Cone from Sum41
You will not live that down.
Post by: Trollstormur on 06 Mar 2005, 00:03
![]("http://www.rockabillybass.com/images/photos/kim.jpg")
Post by: ElRodente on 06 Mar 2005, 07:56
Post by: ElRodente on 06 Mar 2005, 07:59
Quote from: Haver
Ben Kenney isnt the best, but he's a mean bass player.
i have seen incubus live, and while he isnt the most talented, he is one cool bassist
i know someone that has his pick :) her boyfriend gave it to her
edit:
(http://www.ci-photos.com/Musicians/DerekSmalls.jpg)
derek smalls bitch ;)
Post by: Verek on 06 Mar 2005, 12:00
Victor Lamonte Wooten
Les Claypool
John Myung
Steve DiGiorgio (Mad props to the fretless players)
Cliff Burton
Jaco Pastorius (The "original" fretless player)
And just in sheer coolness, Peter Steele. THE MAN IS SEVEN FEET TALL AND PLAYS AN UPRIGHT BASS ON A LENGTH OF INDUSTRIAL CHAIN! If that isn't awesome, I have no idea what is.
And that list is in no particular order, just to clear that up.
Post by: Learned Hand on 06 Mar 2005, 14:58
Sid Vicious
There's just no comparision. Of course, we could start a debate about whether he actually qualifies as a bass "player".
Musically, I vote for Flea.
Post by: Signum_Tenebrae on 06 Mar 2005, 22:25
Jon Myeung
Timi Hansen
Roger Patterson
Post by: ColdSteelRain on 07 Mar 2005, 15:27
Post by: mAlice aforeThought on 07 Mar 2005, 16:19
charles levi (My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult; Pigface; Chemlab)
Post by: blooflame on 07 Mar 2005, 20:37
In the jazz realm, Jaco Pastorius was good (but dead); Ron Carter is good (and alive, and extending his horizons with some hip-hop fusion work at times).
Post by: Inlander on 07 Mar 2005, 20:52
I also have to chuck in a mention for Jimmy Blanton (played with Duke Ellington briefly before his untimely death in the early '40s). Absolutely ALL modern bass players, regardless of genre, owe this man a huge debt of gratitude.
And just to reassure you all that I'm not a completely unreconstructed Jazzbo, I'm currently listening to "Blank Generation" by Richard Hell & the Voidoids. Cheers!
Post by: dontstaylong on 07 Mar 2005, 23:51
mingus is known more for his arrangements and orchestrations, as well as his role as an activist, more so than a bassist, isn't he? granted, he was a terrific player, but the reason he's so well regarded isn't simply how he played.
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Post by: fleetingBassist on 10 Mar 2005, 12:48
Jaco gets points for reinventing the electric bass as a lead instrument while still being able to lay down a tight grove when necessary. Portrait of Tracy is hands-down my favorite bass solo/song.
John Myung of Dream Theater is straight up technical as hell, though I think he lacks a unique sound. He doubles the guitar so often that I really doubt he composes his lines.
Aside from rocking with King Crimson and Peter Gabriel, Tony Levin is probably the most prolific studio bassist alive. Just check out this list and be amazed http://www.tonylevin.com/discography.html. I had the privilege of meeting Tony a few years ago and had him sign my copy of Beyond The Bass Clef, a great book with insight, tips and hilarious stories about playing bass. He also rocks the Chapman Stick.
John Entwistle and Paul McCartney and are two guys who really developed the art of the bass line in rock music. Of course, combine their first names and throw in a Jones and we've got a trio of bass players who found the perfect balance between function and creativity. Flea is a more recent member of that club.
When I saw a live Vic Wooten bass solo three years ago i almost shat myself. I was literaly speechless for a good hour or so. With my eyes glued to him, I still have no clue how he was creating some of those sounds.
Jim Creegan from Barenaked Ladies is great at putting subtle variations in his basslines. And he plays an upright on stage which is always cool.
The best bassist whose name I don't know is the guy who played on Zero 7's tour. He took the album's very simple basslines and made them ridiculously active with spontaneous fills and patterns without taking away from the music. I just watched him the entire show.
Bonus points to any bassist who sings. Especially in a three piece band. Sting and Geddy Lee get 7 points each. And an extra 5 to Geddy for having fifty octaves between the low range of his instrument and the high range of his voice. And for playing bass lines that have absolutely nothing to do with his vocal melodies half of the time.
Speaking of power trios, Les Claypool gets an obvious nod for creativity. A less obvious nod goes to my personal favorite bass player Robert Sledge from Ben Folds Five. Highly underrated/overlooked. A great blend of creative, non-repetitive bass lines, technical skill, unique sound and killer backing vocals. Plus, he's the only bassist I've seen unplug his instrument and "play" his patch cord.
there were a lot of guys listed that i've never really checked out like jamerson and lafaro. i'll have to get on that. sorry to be that stupid noob with the long ass post, but it's who i am :-)
Post by: inakitrescero on 27 Apr 2006, 14:28
Post by: Misereatur on 27 Apr 2006, 14:49
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 27 Apr 2006, 15:00
Quote from: jeph
Somewhat off-topic: I don't think the bass makes a very good "lead" instrument. People like Jaco and Wooten (and to a lesser extent Claypool) bore the shit out of me, technical skills or no. Full disclosure- I've played bass for over 10 years now.
How could you not absolutely love Jaco's sense of melody and feel. There are people 20 times more technically talented out there, but they can't make the bass sing like he could. His stuff is gorgeous, beautiful and just happens to be played on bass. It's more lyrical than 99% of all singers I've ever heard, and just JESUS CHRIST HOW COULD ANYONE NOT LOVE JACO!? Sure, he was a massive prick, but he made such incredible music. I know I shouldn't care that you don't like it, but I just don't understand how any human being could not be moved by what he plays, seriously.
Quote from: Conatonc
Jeph's pick of James Jamerson was a good nod to an often-ignored player.
Ignored by whom? I personally prefer Stanley Clarke. "Rite of Strings" is an amazing album.
Now, if you want the greatest bass player ever to have lived (to date), look no further than Edgar Meyer. This is a pretty objective statement, and I can back it up. Of course, then we stop talking about electric bassists, and then I really start going off. Ron Carter, Dave Holland, Charles Mingus, Paul Chambers, John Pattitucci, and more. They're all incredible and I really haven't heard anybody approaching the kind of expression they're capable of on the electric bass, except Jaco, of course.
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Post by: Rubby on 27 Apr 2006, 23:45
and I'm not saying he's the best by far...
The guy from the Killers. He really pulls the low end out from the rest of the songs and makes them shine, despite the fact that they may not be very good songs. Rarely does he follow the root note or downbeat, he makes the low end something special to notice if you ever get so inclined.
Post by: Shaft on 27 Apr 2006, 23:57
Just cause a million and seven bands bassists' only play one string at a time doesn't mean that's what playing a bass is all about. There are 24 frets for a reason!
Oh yeah, and Squarepusher is the best person who plays the bass. As in he is awesome enough already without playing the bass. Yes I'm gay for Tom, so what.
*Googles Peter Steele*
He has big boobs and his nipples are really close together.
(http://petersteele.com/photos/22.jpg)
Post by: TrueNeutral on 28 Apr 2006, 02:55
Flea
Tim Commerford
Jaco Pastorious
Les Claypool
And yes, Ben Kenney is, indeed, pretty good.
But really, my favourite is definately Cliff Burton.
Post by: TheCourtJester on 28 Apr 2006, 03:40
He's been playing in the Chick Corea Trio (woo Jazz) and I/we (the jazz group I was in) opened for them at the North Texas Jazz Festival (two days after the pope died? sad). It's fecking AMAZING what he was doing with it (stand up, by the way), solo or not.
Jaco does score high on my list of talented musicians though... "Portrait of Tracy" is one of my favorites of ALL TIME. That music actually got transposed for a jazz choir by Kerry Marsh (as Sac State Uni, not far from here), and that shit is TOUGH, no matter how it's done.
On another note...the girl who played bass when the group I mentioned performed made the bass she played on, and she's been complimented by every person at every competition or festival we ever played. If she keeps doing it she'll be the next (next assholish) Jaco.
Post by: Ghostwriter on 28 Apr 2006, 06:39
I am kinda surprised that nobody mentioned Steve Harris at all, though. I really like his bass playing.
Post by: TrueNeutral on 28 Apr 2006, 07:11
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 28 Apr 2006, 07:35
Quote from: Shaft
I have to disagree wih the person who complained that people like Wooten and Pastorius weren't strictly bass players, but rather people who played music, but it happened to be on a bass... Well.. What? I mean, really?
Just cause a million and seven bands bassists' only play one string at a time doesn't mean that's what playing a bass is all about. There are 24 frets for a reason!
Jaco transcended the limitations of bass, in my opinion. He was just playing music. I haven't heard a single other
Post by: Thrillho on 28 Apr 2006, 09:07
Roger Waters
Colin Greenwood
Whoever it is that plays bass in BRMC
Macca
Matt Sharp
Mike Mills
Mark Hoppus
'Evil' Jared Hasselhoff
Mike Dirnt
Duff McKagan
Carlos D
And, of course...
Peter Hook.
Post by: Luke C on 28 Apr 2006, 09:21
Post by: pat101 on 28 Apr 2006, 09:34
She sure did get fat though...
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Post by: Hat on 28 Apr 2006, 10:12
weird.
Post by: Misereatur on 28 Apr 2006, 10:29
*There are about 3 Israeli jazz players named Avishai Cohen. One is the afore-mentioned Bass player. Another is a talented Trumpet player of the World Music/Jazz group Third World Love (http://www.thirdworldlove.com). And there's another one that escapes me now.
Actually, I want to be as good as Jaco was on bass. I never will, though, but it will keep me allways striving for perfection out of myself and out of my instrument. Which is my idea of what a profetional musician's mind set should be.
Post by: TrueNeutral on 28 Apr 2006, 11:34
Post by: Shaft on 29 Apr 2006, 15:38
Quote
Jaco transcended the limitations of bass, in my opinion. He was just playing music. I haven't heard a single other person bass player who could play with the melody, lyricism, feeling and just plain whatsit that he could. The only other place I've heard expression like that was singers and horn players.
:( I was agreeing with you, don't bite me.
Post by: Brian Majestic on 30 Apr 2006, 17:38
Plus, the bass line for "My Girl" is probably the best known bass parts in all of pop music history.
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Post by: Jeridus on 09 May 2006, 19:52
Also, more Canadian bias (and yes, I do also like Geddy Lee), Arif Mirabdolbaghi of Protest the Hero is ridiculously energetic, and very technically skilled. I was in music class in grade nine with the guy (like, five or six years ago), and remember him playing Jaco Pastorius all the time.
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