THESE FORUMS NOW CLOSED (read only)
Fun Stuff => CLIKC => Topic started by: Jiperly on 06 Mar 2005, 11:13
-
Since no one else will hotlink the links from MacHall, then i'll take dibs on the issue. Na-na!
In an online editorial, two people from CBS have set up a debate over Video Games, Violence, and their impact on society. Their first week they talked to a lawyer, their second they talked to the creator of a successful Online Comic Ctrl+Alt+Del, next week they'll be talking to the creator of the online comic VGCats, and so on.
Of course, some people still have tiffs with the seemingly bias through the choice of opposition- a lawyer vs. a comic artist- as one person said "like you're having a cookoff and you make it a professional chef versus a guy who thinks meat is pretty cool."
None the less, i think Tim Buckley of Ctrl+Alt+Del makes very good arguements, while the lawyer seems like they're just kicking up dust. Of course, thats just my belief.
Jack Thompson, game regulation advocate (http://tinyurl.com/4vnxp)
Tim Buckley(Absath) Of Ctrl+Alt+Del (http://tinyurl.com/3vzh6)
UPDATED- MARCH 15TH(in case you didn't bother to check the actual timer that dates each post down to the second. Thats right- i know you don't check that- i just want you to know I know you don't. Ass.)
Scott Ramsoomair of VG Cats (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/05/tech/gamecore/main678332.shtml)
Claude Errera of Halo.Bungie.org (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/08/tech/gamecore/main678913.shtml)
Edit:opps- theres 3 in the update!
Jeff McAllister of PlanetDoom.com (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/12/tech/gamecore/main679755.shtml)
-
I'm not one to become offended very easily but somehow all the things that Jack Thompson says hits me the wrong way. It sounds like he's saying that I'm not able to tell the difference and "Garbage in, Garbage out?" so your saying my mind is filled with garbage.
"Yes, just as Ted Bundy escaped into pornography. It is not a release of aggression. It is training for aggression."
So he's likening people who play videogames to serial killers. No wonder a lot of people don't like Jack Thompson, I'm not a serial killer, I never plan to be one. So why would you say that I am?
This man makes me angry.
-
That Mr. Thompson is attempting to draw analogy between Bundy and any sound-minded gamer is hilarious enough to bear mention.
This whole thing is retarded anyway.
-
Okay, so video games will make me violent and if a female floats in water she is a witch?
-
Tim Buckley is doing quite well. I didin't even bother to read what the lawyer had to say... Nah what the 'ell...
-
I tell you what, I was really surprised how enraged I got reading that horrible lawyer's bullshit. I mean, usually beligerant ignorance doesn't get under my skin like that, but I wanted to just punch that guy in the mouth. Too bad that's no longer socially acceptable.
-
Hm. Punch, you say?
Do you play video games?
-
There is plenty of blame to go around. The parents must do a better job, but you know what? When we were on 60 Minutes the Sunday after Columbine (we predicted Columbine on NBC's Today eight days before it happened) with the parents in Paducah, Ed Bradley asked Joe James "Isn't this a parent's responsibility?" Joe said "Ed, I'm trying to figure out what I did wrong. I had my daughter in school and in a pre-school prayer meeting where she was shot and killed. If I hadn't raised her right, she'd be alive today."
You see, the industry is selling these games to kids whose parents are reckless. How is that Joe Jame's fault? We need to punish the industry and the parents who are putting innocent people in harm's way.
What the hell is Jack Thompson's problem. It was a tragedy indeed. It was unfortunate that that guy's daughter was there when she was, but video games did not put her in harm's way. The ones who did that were the ones with the guns.
-
The thing that bothers me the most about the argument against video games is how they say that it leads people to become antisocial. I say that a person makes their own decisions. My family has had many more arguments arise from who gets to be what hot wheels cars.
Whoever claims to be negetively affected by video games is lying. The same goes for books, music, movies, and TV. Censorship is an unacceptable way to deal with things that make you uncomfortable.
-
Censorship is an unacceptable way to deal with things that make you uncomfortable.
The truest thing i have ever heard..... ever
-
even more true than 2+2=4?
-
I guess so, as far as you know, 2 could be some unknown variable so tecnically, 2+2=The set of all real even numbers.
I'm such a shocking nerd.
-
I guess so, as far as you know, 2 could be some unknown variable so tecnically, 2+2=The set of all real even numbers.
I'm such a shocking nerd.
Wait wouldn't that mean that the answer could be the set of all real numbers.
-
Does age or sex play a factor in violent, aggressive behavior?
Sure, the sex and violence centers of the brain overlay one another, which is why the increasing mix of sex and violence is troubling. Armies have been known to go on rape rampages after battles because the violence stimulates sexual aggression. How lovely that GTA weds sex and violence in the same game. We are training a generation of teens to combine sex with violence, just what America needs.
Someone should tell him "sex" is another way to say "gender" and that that question was in fact an example of the word "sex" not refering to intercourse.
I just can't respect this guy, he doesn't directly answer one question. He criticizes everyone without attempting to propose somthing that should be done instead. He doesn't answer in complete sentances at times, nor does he offer any evidence to attempt to support his unfounded points. I would question whether he has ever actually ever played a video game that he would consider violent. Maybe then he'd see that it doesn't turn us all (or any of us for that matter) into raving psycho-killers. The guy from CAD buries him. (not literally ... that would be too violent)
-
I guess so, as far as you know, 2 could be some unknown variable so tecnically, 2+2=The set of all real even numbers.
I'm such a shocking nerd.
Wait wouldn't that mean that the answer could be the set of all real numbers.
Well, I guess i was assuming integers, but you can be right too.
-
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way in which a computer game can ever be directly responsible for a person's death, and that's when the disk spontaniously leaps from the shelf and decapitates an innocent bystander. Everything else is people killing people.
Speaking as an avid gamer (and student developer) I will say this: Games are violent, and are also stimulating, and enjoyable. I actively enjoy taking a shotgun to the Combine troops in Half-Life 2, or shooting it out with the Ballas in GTA:SA. Such violence is FUN, and, as a species, we get a kick out of death and injury. People refer to the "dehumanising" effect of violence, when the fact is that we are at our most human when we are killing something.
I tend to believe that using the word "dehumanisation" in relation to violence is a fallacy. we've been killing each other for millennia without computer games around. Games are just another aspect of the internal hedonistic psychopath inherent within all human beings - we play games because, as a species, we gain a certain degree of pleasure from violence. This is hardly unexpected - we're predators who evolved over vast reaches of time to hunt and kill prey, and take satisfaction from both the hunt and the kill. Because directly pandering to that subconscious predatory reflex (by, say, hunting caribou with a spear) is no longer really considered acceptable, anything that stimulates those primitive pleasure centres of our brain that are directly linked to the testosterone and adrenaline glands is fair game as entertainment - James Bond shoots the goons and kills the bad guy partly because The Good Guy Always Wins, but also because our whole species is wired up on the genetic level to be mesmerised and excited by the prospect of violence.
Why do people stare at car crashes? Why do we watch boxing matches? Why do we watch football games, rugby games, hockey, etc.? Because, when all's said and done, we're all hooked on the knowledge that somebody's getting hurt. We none of us feel actively sickened when we see Kurt Angle take a chair to somebody. Why?
Deep down, all of us feel the need to hurt something, or to be there when something gets hit. It's darwinism in action - we like violence because we're not the ones getting hurt. Survival of the fittest. Pandering to the violent urge is no bad thing. The trick - one that any normal human being learns within a few months of being born - is to learn where the line is drawn, where the pacifying substitute for the primal life-or-death struggle HAS to end, and the business of actually being an intelligent species starts.
The people who shoot up their schools, or take a samurai sword into a department store and start slicing people up at random HAVE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEM. This malfunction is not a predilection towards violence- everybody has that. the malfunction is an inability to recognize where the violence must end.
Computer games in no way shift that moral barrier - anybody who can distinguish even the most basic levels of "right" and "wrong" knows that killing somebody for kicks is neither normal nor right. No amount of game time, even of the most gory and ultra-violent games, will ever convince a normal human being to open up with a 9mm on the street. Of COURSE they stimulate violence - that's why they exist. But no game will ever be able to persuade a normal, healthy, sane person to go kill somebody for fun.
-
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way in which a computer game can ever be directly responsible for a person's death, and that's when the disk spontaniously leaps from the shelf and decapitates an innocent bystander. Everything else is people killing people.
I'm sorry....but......an innocent bystander? What, are the people who are playing the games guilty, and thus its okay if the CD slices them up?
-
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one way in which a computer game can ever be directly responsible for a person's death, and that's when the disk spontaniously leaps from the shelf and decapitates an innocent bystander. Everything else is people killing people.
I'm sorry....but......an innocent bystander? What, are the people who are playing the games guilty, and thus its okay if the CD slices them up?
Um, I think you totally misinterpreted what he said. By innocent bystander, he simply meant anyone standing there. He wasn't saying some people are guilty and some people are innocent.
-
But you have to be a bystander! thus, the person at the game system is not a bystander, and thus is not innocent, and thus its okay if they get cut up!
*continues to poke fun at a poor choice of words*
-
What? Who? poor choice of word? Huh buh duh wha?
If a CD suddenly flies off the shelf and decapitates somebody who is STANDing nearBY, through no fault of their own, then they are INNOCENT of any action to cause their own demise. Hence: innocent bystander.
besides, you said: But you have to be a bystander! thus, the person at the game system is not a bystander, and thus is not innocent, and thus its okay if they get cut up!
I said:
when the disk spontaniously leaps from the shelf and decapitates an innocent bystander.
the shelf. the SHELF!!!!!!! when did a games system come into it. we're talking about DVD's launching themselves from the shelf in the GAME STORE and causing massive tissue damage to somebody's neck. such a person could just be there because their friend wanted to buy a game!!!
And I'm lending this waaaay too much importance...
now, engage brain mode and poke an actual HOLE in the argument, yes?
Good Jiperly. Have a biscuit.
-
updated!
*accepts biscuit*
ewww! it tastes 4 days old!
OOOOOHH SNAP! Errera totally proves Thompson(teh lawyer) wrong!
-
Eh, proving Thompson wrong has to be of similar ease as catching a hydrogen filled zeppelin on fire. Still though thanks for reminding me about this.