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I was reading some comments made in another thread here: http://forums.questionablecontent.net/viewtopic.php?t=5007
Topic was musicians you hate:
Oh man... I can't believe I forgot to mention that! I don't get rap or most hip hop either. I just can't listen to people talking about ho's, forties, killing, bling, etc. I just don't get it.
I know this should be in the thread I referenced, but I wanted to list recommendations for the whole board's enjoyment (or ire as the case may be)
Defending hip hop on a predominantly indie messageboard = futile; but futility is my specialty!
I've lived in six countries and spent long periods in many others, my friends are either hardcore into rock, electronic, or rap, so I'm used to hearing intelligent people knock a genre, only to meet up with another group of intelligent people who love it, and knock the preference of the first group and so on and so forth.
People who point at 3 Doors Down, Creed, and Nickleback and say rock is trite, or look at Dashboard and conclude that "emotional" music has to be whiny shouldn't point at 50 Cent and Eminem and conclude that rap is shite...
Real hip hop is about soul, struggle, can be about funk, which is something you feel before you think out.
I listen to rap at least as much as I listen to indie, and I understand the merits of the genre:
I doubt I'll change anyone who's set in their way's opinion of a subjective topic, but here are some recommendations (fairly catchy one's too)
Black Star: Thieves in the Night, Respiration, K.O.S (Determination, knowledge of self) = all three are songs of liberation, positive thought and change
Blackalicious: Make You Feel That Way (about that tingly feeling when you pick up an old friend at the airport, see your son up to bat at a little league game, fall in love, hear a song that makes you tap your feet)
Talib Kweli: For Women (remake of a Nina Simeone (sp?) song), Stand to the Side (about free speech), Good Mourning (about living life without remorse), Love Language & Won't You Stay (intelligent love songs)
Mos Def: Climb (ludicrously atmospheric, about losing hope), Hip Hop (about the genre's merits, how it can make you rich, but can't save your soul), Fear Not of Man (a song about Islam)
The Roots: Act Too, You Got Me, Dynamite (this last one isn't contemplative at all, but the piano lines make even the least funky tap their feet in appreciation if not bust out dancin')
I think most of my recommendations were accesible. I hope someone out there can appreciate them.
Disclaimer: I'm hardly an authority on Hip Hop, I just enjoy it.
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It's the same thing as Rock or whatever. What you see on MTV isn't the real stuff and is pure crap.
Krunk Rap or whatever it is, 50 Cent and all that stuff is rubbish. It's becoming slightly well know fact at least.
Some people will still never like the "good stuff" but should at least be judging that and not MTV based crap.
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Jurrasic 5
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Hell yeah, J-5. Also I am relieved that this wasn't another rap sucks thread.
Yo, because of passing the course wife asking divorce
Taking half of your cash, now you bask in remorse
Turning rap into sport, I've mastered the part
Cause the trash on the chart leave you gaspin for art
Now if you've mastered the art, I'm askin with force
To mass of your thoughts, to your ass is a corpse
Cover grass in a burst, unfasten your purse
Give your cash to the clerk, 5 Jurass finish first
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You need to watch what you choose, what you give is what you get
Some are lacking intellect in their quest for a check
Is it love or respect, does the subject get you vexed?
Only 4 bars to wreck, the situation is complex
See also: Del The Funky Homosapien [see also: Deltron, Hieroglyphics{sp?}], Atmosphere, Public Enemy, Tribe Called Quest, Kool Keith (see also: Dr. Doom, Dr. Octogon), Aesob Rock. Erm, Lyrics Born and The Gift of Gab from Blackalicious are also good.
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As a huge hiphop fan and amatuer DJ, I'm glad this thread exists. I am, however, afraid that it will turn into "Rap more like cRap am I right?", so please, try to keep it constructive.
Recommendations, just browsing though my current playlist: Aesop Rock, Hieroglyphics, Eyedea & Abilities, Atmosphere, The Pharcyde, Common Sense, De la Soul, EPMD, Eric B&Rakim, KRS-One (BDP, etc), Grandmaster Flash, Tribe called Quest, Handsome Boy Modeling School, Saul Williams, Sage Francis, Sole, Dose One, Buck65, RJD2...I could keep going, I guess.
There's so so so much great stuff coming out in the last couple years that actually has something constructive or interesting to say and a good way to say it. And there's an absolutely vast catalog of underappreciated tracks from the "old school" that are still relevant and enjoyable today.
I love hiphop. LOVE it.
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I know why a lot of people think rap is crap. Like Robbo pointed out, as with any genre, you sort of have to scratch the surface to find real gems; but if you don't have an interest in the genre, why should you bother to delve further into it? I suppose you wouldn't, and you shouldn't have to, I agree.
So a lot broad sweeping generalizations are made about genres by people who don't know a whole lot about them.
I'm not trying to say people should have to give everything the benefit of the doubt... you'd die under the burden of buying 3 times as many albums, but I like sharing music, and you never know...
Oh... and like Asturge mentioned: J5 i is always nice, their most famous track "Quality Control" is a good one, and basically anything with Chali 2na on it kicks ass.
Also check out: Blackalicious ft. Ben Harper: Brain Washers, and Chemical Calisthenics (tripped out relation of the periodic table, mixed by J5's Cut Chemist)... listen to those two songs back to back :) And yeah, anything from the Native Tongues movement is usually good.
some lyrics:
The deadly ritual seems immersed, in the perverse
Full of short attention spans, short tempers, and short skirts
Long barrel automatics released in short bursts
The length of black life is treated with short worth
Get yours first, them other n*ggaz secondary
That type of illin that be fillin up the cemetary
This life is temporary but the soul is eternal
Separate the real from the lie, let me learn you
Not strong, only aggressive, cause the power ain't directed
That's why, we are subjected to the will of the oppressive
Not free, we only licensed
Not live, we just excitin
Cause the captors.. own the masters.. to what we writin
Not compassionate, only polite, we well trained
Our sincerity's rehearsed in stage, it's just a game
Not good, but well behaved cause the ca-me-ra survey
most of the things that we think, do, or say
We chasin after death just to call ourselves brave
But everyday, next man meet with the grave
I give a damn if any fan recall my legacy
I'm tryin to live life in the sight of God's memory
Like that y'all
Mos Def, Thieves in the Night
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Most rap I hear sucks, but some is just really good.
So thanks for the recommendations, I'll look into them.
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Neat, I haven't heard Chemical Calisthenics, but I love the track by Gift of Gab (of Blackalicious) and Cut Chemist called Alphabet Aerobics...every two lines feature alliteration from a single letter, going from a to z (first two lines a, second two b, and so on). And the tempo constantly speeds up. Fun, not particularly deep, but it's a fantastic demonstration of Gab's command of rhyme, cadence, and vocabulary.
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I haven't heard Alphabet Aerobics, not sure what CD that's off at all actually, but sounds like you'd love Chemical Calisthenics, seems to be cut from similar cloth.
Gab spits faster and faster and faster until you can barely follow along, and Cut's work is especially stellar on this track IMO.
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Jus, I totally agree with you. There are some incrediblely great rap artists out there, Saul Williams is a really great on, as is El-P and Warsaw Pack. We almost must not forget our friends the Beastie Boys. The people you mentioned are also really awesome. Good on yah, dude!
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El-P! Yes! And Cannibal Ox!
Hooray for Def Jux.
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Alphabet Aerobics is on A2G. Chemical Calisthenics is on Blazing Arrow.
Also Lyrics Born/Poets of Rythm: I Changed my mind.
http://www.quannum.com
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I like Buck 65, and Roots were one of the most fun acts of Reading last year. If I'm totally honest, I probably wouldn;t get an album by them as a priority, as rap as a genre has largely passed me by, but recently a few things have been getting me going.
Special attention should go to Mars Black. He's cool.
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It's not that I stereotype or castigate rap as a genre. I can give it respect (well, not the mainstream stuff, but anyway...)
It's just that I've never heard any rap or hip hop I liked. And I have heard beyond the MTV mainstream somewhat (mainly through forced listening threads and the like): I disliked Jurassic 5 and Cypress Hill annoyed the crap out of me. And man, I have to say the Streets, who I've seen come up here now and again, as well as on places like pitchfork, are hands down probably one of the worst bands I've ever heard.
It just doesn't seem to really do anything for me. I'm into music for the, y'know....music....
Just adding a contrary voice to this thread. And trying to be as polite as I possibly can.
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MC Frontalot puts out some awesome nerdcore: http://www.frontalot.com/
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I heart Antipop Consortium, Wu-Tang Clan, MF Doom, Public Enemy, Outkast, De La Soul, et al.
On the other hand, I sometimes feel like rap has not yet produced a masterpiece on par with the greatest albums of the rock era. Maybe that's just because rock is what I grew up with.
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[Chorus x2]
I tried it, I couldn't find it
Now I just wanna get back to me
Aw baby, whoo hoo
Back into the man I used to be
[Verse 1]
Things that I said I wouldn't do, I did 'em
Secrets below the service of truth I hid 'em
This mankind is past, but can he erase
The tears of a million years is human race
Of animals, that taught to walk upright
Then slave all day and fall in a trance at night
Flowing the planet, trying to find missing links
Like the men we used to be and always suppose to think
Mysteries, maybe not
It's getting hot, we better configure the plot, but
I hold a pen with the grip so tight
That'a squeeze the ink out'ta the page, and write a song for the people
Came up from the underground, now I write above on a hovercraft sound
This microphone, like an an amphetamine
Keeping me clean, speaking in dreams
So nature can intervene, just for a scene
[Chorus]
[Verse 2]
I walk the long path alone, my feet hurt
Lost some friends along the way, I did dirt
I went to church, I tried everything
From leaving my body, to watching the birds sing
For hours, so I could feel heavenly powers
Had been across the universe and inside of flowers
But what is it worth, i'm still just a man on the earth
Rappers are acting like man tan
Can I be candid, I can't stand it
Rap bandit, got Kheaven acting frantic
I wanna swing my sword decapitate
But what is a man if he acts like an ape
So I sit back, planning my great escape
Load up my EPS and peruse my record crate
The man I used to be, I can only see by looking beyone me
So what is reality, I don't know
K-os, man. Literate, intelligent rapper whose message is unity, persistence and peace. Plus he won a Juno.
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Some good mcs being mentioned in this thread, don't know all of 'em, know of most of 'em. I've heard Saul Williams name thrown around before, he's one I've yet to check out... Del The Funky Homosapien and a few of the rest too. Gotta find cash for CDs somewhere around here (maybe my roomie's desk? good cause and all). Problem is, there is no genre save country that I particularly dislike, so there are more CDs for me to buy than I could possibly acquire in this lifetime.
Oh and KharBevNor, I'm with you on Cypress Hill being annoying. J5 doesn't necessarily define conscious/intel rap, but not liking them may be an indication that you're into the genre you were meant to enjoy, so run with it bro.
Still, if you're a fan of poetry at all, I implore you to check out Black Star's "Thieves in the Night" or "Respiration".
Edit: How could I forget, as an introduction to the genre: Binary Star's "Reality Check."
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Yay for rap on the indie forum! Another deserving mention: Common. I'm totally all about Blackalicious, The Roots, Tribe and J5 also.
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Rap is like any other genre of music. Most of it is shit but there is some fucking brilliant stuff out there if you know where to look. Denouncing ANY genre out of hand is ignorance of the highest order.
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It's funny how the socio-economic thing is KIND OF is true, even for people completely aware of its nature and without hateful prejudice, yet still, if you can't relate to certain kinds of music, then eh, you shouldn't be hated for it, though I do agree there likely should be at least some each kind you might like out there or at least respect since, at least for me, a lot of times I can tell if something is good though it may not be something I would buy or listen to on my own.
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"I can't stand rap....people who can't sing do rap....you can sing rebellion as well as talk it....Hitler would have been in a rap band..."
- John Entwistle
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Oh and KharBevNor, I'm with you on Cypress Hill being annoying. J5 doesn't necessarily define conscious/intel rap, but not liking them may be an indication that you're into the genre you were meant to enjoy, so run with it bro.
Still, if you're a fan of poetry at all, I implore you to check out Black Star's "Thieves in the Night" or "Respiration".
Now that's the thing I've never really got about rap: I love poetry, so I should be able to like quite a deal of the underground rap and so-on for it's lyrical content. I think it may just be that it's not the right kind of poetry, or rather, that a very big deal of what rap talks about is so removed from my own personal experience, aesthetics etc. as to be rendered unsatisfying to me in content. Whilst I should normally have no problem in comprehending alien cultural experiences, it seems that rap isn't a genre that can bring this to me. Plus, tbh, gratuitous ebonics really do turn me off.
I don't know, can you suggest anything that might be a bit closer to home for my tastes? This is an example of the kind of 'socially realistic' lyrics I enjoy:
Slaves to the only god they know,
Drawn by the song of the cosmic diva
The lord of the flies is a dandy beau
King of the hill in the new Bohemia
Where does he come from, their redeemer
Where does he dwell? (they never learn)
What is the prize for the true believer?
Rotting away in the "Womb of the Worm"?
Death is the hand of a handsome stranger - (he speaks, heads turn)
Babes unaware of impending danger - quickening dead in the "Womb of the Worm"
They never die - in "the Womb of the Worm" they lie
Words of "the Worm":
"Don't be afraid - just take my hand
'cause life's too short to be a bore
Try it once, you'll understand
Why they keep coming back for more."
Form an orderly line outside death's door
If you want to taste his sweet amnesia
He's never short of clientele
Though most of them die from a fatal seizure
Another mother cries to a chat-show host
(she speaks - my stomach churns)
I hear how a young kid - now a young ghost
Died a sickening death in "the Womb of the Worm."
Can you suggest anything, in a similiar style?
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I like british hiphop namely The Streets and Dizzee Rascal and M.I.A, other than that I enjoy a danish band Malk de Koijn in their less vulgar moments, unfortunately they have quite a few of vulgar and disgusting moments. But then you can listen to the music which is always ace.
uh and Ratatat if they count...
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No one has mentioned the Beastie Boys yet.
If you don't listen to his mysoginistic songs Notorious B.I.G. is really good.
Jay-Z has some skills.
Outkst is very good.
Ice Cube needs to be mentioned. His stuff is pretty funny and socially conscience.
J5, Cypress Hill, Public Enemy, the Roots.
Yeah, I don't listen to much rap.
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Hoorah for the aforementioned M.I.A, Beastie Boy and Outkast. I'll add Dilated Peoples, De La Soul, Pharcyde and Jurassic 5 to them too.
And i loves me some Roots Manuva, quite possibly for the string intro to 'Run Come Save Me' alone. British rap artists like Dizzee Rascal, Estelle and Streets strike a chord too, probably due to how they remind me of where i live back home in ol' Birmingham.
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>Beastie Boys
I don't really count them as rap. Did anyone else think their last record well, kinda sucked? Older = better in this case
>Notorious B.I.G.
I personally diggit, I can see why people wouldn't however. Definite gangstah tendencies
>Jay-Z
Black Album was good, not a fan of earlier ones
>Outkst is very good.
Ouch. This just hurts.
>Ice Cube needs to be mentioned. His stuff is pretty funny and socially conscience.
No comment.
>Cypress Hill
See 'Bands we love to hate' thread. Ouch. Yea, verily... Ouch.
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i love outkast, dj format, AIM, akira the don, shit like that. rap is an easy genre to write off because so much of it is about marketting and image. there are some goddamn jems if you know where to look, though. blackalicious have already been mentioned, i like dragon ash who are like japanese emorap (i know, i know) i think we talked about saul williams already, but i thought he was a slam poet? regardless, he's still very good.
i think, fo all the hip hop doing well eminem is the ony one with any artistic integrity, his lyrics and thoughtful and funny and just generally awesome.
oh, and everyone should listen to goldie looking chain, awesome chavcore welsh rap combo. inciteful and funny, rock on.
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And they all have things like Chemistry PhDs which makes it all the funnier.
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i remember seeing an interview with them, and they were talking about philosophy and the state of england and all, it was fucking insane. all the time, i'd thought they were serious. it was such a shock.
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Well, I gotta pimp a local MC, K-Os. He has two albums out, and they're both fantastic. Each one is more of a book, a tapestry of awesomeness woven over the entire album.
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It's not that I stereotype or castigate rap as a genre. I can give it respect (well, not the mainstream stuff, but anyway...)
It's just that I've never heard any rap or hip hop I liked. And I have heard beyond the MTV mainstream somewhat (mainly through forced listening threads and the like): I disliked Jurassic 5 and Cypress Hill annoyed the crap out of me. And man, I have to say the Streets, who I've seen come up here now and again, as well as on places like pitchfork, are hands down probably one of the worst bands I've ever heard.
It just doesn't seem to really do anything for me. I'm into music for the, y'know....music....
Just adding a contrary voice to this thread. And trying to be as polite as I possibly can.
Well, I can see your point. From what I can tell of your music tastes (this based solely on what you've been posting here), you are into the metal / industrial kinda thing, so the J5 isn't the right place to be looking.
It's all about the old funk breaks and is a bit... cheesy. I love it, but not everyone does. Also, lyrically, not great. Most of J5 is about their own rhyme skills, which is a bit tiring, especially as only Charlie 2na ever really impresses. I still ike J5, but not as much I did, as you can probobly tell. Still fucking amazing live though, no doubt.
No, what you need is darker, more industrial twisted stuff.
I therefore suggest Cannibal Ox, Boom Bip & Dose One, DJ Krush, Busdriver, Aesop Rock and some Anticon stuff.
I'm not exactly Hip-Hop incarnate, but I like to think I know my stuff, and that's the best I can come up with. Off-hand anyway.
I take my Hip-Hop evangelism quite seriously, so if you PM me I'll work some sort of AIM / Bittorrent / hosting thing and get some songs to you.
In other news, Hip-Hop is still awesome, and I've already plugged everyone I wanted to in the last Hip-Hop thread. So I'll restrain myself from listing them all again. Except one.
LISTEN TO MORE ATMOSPHERE!
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>Beastie Boys
I don't really count them as rap. Did anyone else think their last record well, kinda sucked? Older = better in this case
Yeah they were a LOT better when they were singing about how they hated faggots and how much it TOTALLY BLEW that their parents wouldn't let them PARTY.
Fuck the Beastie Boys. Fuck them and their faux-social-conscious, oh-look-we're-not-bigots-anymore bullshit suburban joke-rap.
"we got ONE SCHTICK and we DO it on EVERY song where ONE OF US says something and THEN EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GROUP CHIMES IN"
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The best thing about the Beastie Boys has always been Mix Master Mike.
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I can't remember what site I was on, but there was a guy who said that Led Zep sucked and rap ruled, then another person chimed in with this gem:
'Y'all are gay if you don't like Led Zeppelin. All rap is is some black person talking gay.'
A masterpiece. Totally true too.
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Now that's the thing I've never really got about rap: I love poetry, so I should be able to like quite a deal of the underground rap and so-on for it's lyrical content. I think it may just be that it's not the right kind of poetry, or rather, that a very big deal of what rap talks about is so removed from my own personal experience, aesthetics etc. as to be rendered unsatisfying to me in content. Whilst I should normally have no problem in comprehending alien cultural experiences, it seems that rap isn't a genre that can bring this to me. Plus, tbh, gratuitous ebonics really do turn me off.
I don't know, can you suggest anything that might be a bit closer to home for my tastes? This is an example of the kind of 'socially realistic' lyrics I enjoy:
Slaves to the only god they know,
Drawn by the song of the cosmic diva
The lord of the flies is a dandy beau
King of the hill in the new Bohemia
Where does he come from, their redeemer
Where does he dwell? (they never learn)
What is the prize for the true believer?
Rotting away in the "Womb of the Worm"?
Death is the hand of a handsome stranger - (he speaks, heads turn)
Babes unaware of impending danger - quickening dead in the "Womb of the Worm"
They never die - in "the Womb of the Worm" they lie
Words of "the Worm":
"Don't be afraid - just take my hand
'cause life's too short to be a bore
Try it once, you'll understand
Why they keep coming back for more."
Form an orderly line outside death's door
If you want to taste his sweet amnesia
He's never short of clientele
Though most of them die from a fatal seizure
Another mother cries to a chat-show host
(she speaks - my stomach churns)
I hear how a young kid - now a young ghost
Died a sickening death in "the Womb of the Worm."
Can you suggest anything, in a similiar style?
[Mos Def and crew]
So much on my mind I just can't recline
Blastin holes in the night til she bled sunshine
Breathe in, inhale vapors from bright stars that shine
Breathe out, weed smoke retrace the skyline
Yo don't the bass ride out like an ancient mating call
I can't take it y'all, I can feel the city breathin
Chest heavin, against the flesh of the evening
Sigh before we die like the last train leaving
Escuchela.. respirando ??
[Common]
Yo...on The Amen, Corner I stood lookin at my former hood
Felt the spirit in the wind, knew my friend was gone for good
Threw dirt on the casket, the hurt, I couldn't mask it
Mixin down emotions, struggle I hadn't mastered
I coreograph seven steps to heaven
And hell, waiting to exhale and make the bread leavened
Veteran of a cold war It's Chica-I-go for
What I know or, what's known
So some days I take the bus home, just to touch home
From the crib I spend months gone
Sat by the window with a clutched dome listenin to shorties cuss long
Young girls with weak minds, but they butt strong
Tried to call, or at least beep the Lord, but didn't have a touch-tone
It's a dog-eat-dog world, you gotta mush on
Some of this land I must own
Outta the city, they want us gone
Tearin down the 'jects creatin plush homes
My circumstance is between Cabrini and Love Jones
Surrounded by hate, yet I love home
Ask my God how he thought travellin the world sound
Found it hard to imagine he hadn't been past downtown
It's deep, I heard the city breathe in its sleep
Of reality I touch, but for me it's hard to keep
Deep, I heard my man breathe in his sleep
Of reality I touch, but for me it's hard to keep
[Mos Def and crew]
So much on my mind I just can't recline
Blastin holes in the night til she bled sunshine
Breathe in, inhale vapors from bright stars that shine
Breathe out, weed smoke retrace the skyline
Yo how the bass ride out like an ancient mating call
I can't take it y'all, I can feel the city breathing
Chest heavin, against the flesh of the evening
Kiss the Ide's goodbye, I'm on the last train leaving
Let me know what you think of that. Rap can't be judged against formal poetry of any kind without taking into consideration that music has to be heard to be felt as it should be (hence its ties to slam poetry). A lot of rappers force alliteration and end rhyme to make a song sound good... no doubt bothering purists.
I'm sure there are some rappers out there you could appreciate; I'm not sure what to tell you. Check out some of these other folks suggestions if you like.
To be honest, hip hop of any kind is something you feel, you shouldn't have to think it out. I get this twitch at the base of my neck, and I just start groovin' when I hear a good mc.
It could be as you originally claimed, and it's just that you really do not like rap. Well, good luck on your quest for good muic/poetry whatever.
God bless.
Oh, and I'm curious as to whether or not there is any rap on Jeph's mp3 player.
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I think we need an offical way to make Jeph listen to the random shit we talk about. Because what other people want to give him something new to listen to like his readers?
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"we got ONE SCHTICK and we DO it on EVERY song where ONE OF US says something and THEN EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GROUP CHIMES IN"
haha
Anyway while we're posting lyrics for khar (or anyone else), here:
Sole - Plutonium
I thank the loyal servants for being so loyal,
soon they'll be happy and very safe;
if not, sent off like a pigeon with his head cut off.
if it wasn't for the guillotine, there would be no umbilical
cord. isn't it pitiful? at our pinnical,
they make it sound so pinnocchio.
that's how i know it's so dumb, it could even write its own article.
give me a break, the great big break that breaks your back
and chews my fingers off
'til it's safe to laugh again, or at them.
put the coals back in my eyes again,
and away from the fire that burns out our loved ones
and takes its toll out on me.
'cause good luck is always keeping minutes
we gotta stay in play, so don't run out of tokens.
plus the machine needs warm bodies.
plug the pipes if you still got skulls;
if there's time to muddy the hands
then there's time to study the flow of the blood in the lay of the land
running off and eroding our relatives
with red, white, and blue christmas lights
in the greatest kingdom. i say it's a crop and i'm a lousy meal,
a lousy liar amongst so many bad actresses
and not enough stimuli left to light an oven pilot.
so how can i not be negative?
my own cliche, my would-be peers
more caught up with image than speaking than truth,
and if that's the only truth you can come up with, go fake some bravery
like the rented camaraderie in the human lottery.
whatever year it is, i'm still sick.
can't hate the sky for being gray
or the bad poem that we live out every day.
twenty minutes outside the city, or fifteen years from over the hill,
with enough time to kill braincells to fry;
you all gonna fry with me.
it must be, you all gonna fry with me...
we who die in more flying accidents than firefights;
no cure of the overkill.
forty year-old women with cakes and carriages singing bible hymns
ain't fixing anything; get your picket signs,
go on strike, get a five cent raise; your a champion. now
they're making model citizens out of your children,
mapping personal growth through frivolousness; so seperated,
yet drugged up to nowhereland. even love feels artificial;
happiness, my loaded pistol.
in the '20s, i'da been a socialist in a colorado coal mine,
but it's 2000-something and the rats love their mazes.
it's all so ethnospecific and opinionated,
divided we take our antidepressants and make our appointments,
let the dolphins die, but who's gonna save the humans?
i've been to a million cities and they're all the same:
people laugh and talk the same,
girls all flirt the same, employees all dream the same.
love your grid and your comfort zone,
look out for the white-girl suicide bombers,
look out for your time or your piece of mind
or entertainment above the fifth grade level.
stay ignorant and easily corralled through conservative reforms
'til we're broke from the half-measures,
taxed to the teeth to fund the caste system.
living it up for our stereotypes
and i know nothing, but at least i know;
while they vote green and drink their espressos,
discussing film festivals, all as a write-off. off with your head;
body loves the dirty work,
love your job, but it will never love you like an automobile,
fetuses, peoples, and angels hang the same on the mobile.
if it wasn't for the blindfold, you'd ask,
"what am i looking for, living for, breathing for?"
"who's them? not i, but it must be the plutonium in me."
it must be the plutonium in me...
The pacing of it makes no sense unless you're listening to the song. So uh, here it is: Plutonium (http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1X4RXMPL3J78I21TT467CWCMC5)
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The best thing about the Beastie Boys has always been Mix Master Mike.
I dunno. His latest solo album kinda disappointed me. I like the Beastie Boys. But whatever.
M.I.A. is fucking amazing as well, I think someone mentioned her already. I really like her and Jean Grey as well.
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Insincere Dave has this to say:
(http://server3.uploadit.org/files/gingermonkeyboy-dave.jpg)
"I bet loads of people are going to read through that!!!!!"
yeah I realised that, which is why I posted the song itself too =p
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Yeah, Sole kicks ass. It took me a while to get into the Anticon sound, but the Deep Puddle Dynamics album sweetened the pill with some Slug, and I started listening to just straight Anticon quite alot.
Written down Hip-Hop lyrics can't really compete with straight poetry, because It's not their medium. You gotta listen to it.
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some good stufffffff
hells yesssss.
(insert huge list of stuff)
i mostly find myself going back to the old stuff, though. A Tribe Called Quest, Jungle Brothers, De La Soul, NWA, Grandmaster Flash (saw this guy recently, he was crap live. sounded like he was just fucking around. maybe he was, i dunno).
i'm getting into Eric B & Rakim lately, and found a few Jay-Z things to sound pretty good, but the rest to be utter crap. totally don't understand the hype.
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I can't remember what site I was on, but there was a guy who said that Led Zep sucked and rap ruled, then another person chimed in with this gem:
'Y'all are gay if you don't like Led Zeppelin. All rap is is some black person talking gay.'
A masterpiece. Totally true too.
" Some black talking gay" ?
And you agree?!
thats just bullshit
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Now that I think of it, all the hiphop I own is from white artists.
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It annoys me that people say that rapping about bitches, spinner rims, and AKs is crap and doesn't have a place. I mean now, yes its not the easiest to defend like more 'sophisticated' rap and hip hop, which is some of the most intelligently created music around. I mean, listen to the lyrics on a few CDs, I promise you that you'll need to go get a dictionary for some of the words (and I'm not talking about defining ice as diamond)
but back to the "MTV" rap and what not... Guys like 50 cent aren't just crap. Guy like 50cent and The Game and others make some of the best party hip hop available. Songs like Disco Inferno may about about him sitting in a club getting fucked up on Henesy and Hypnotic but that beat is damn good and people will dance all night to that
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Meh, when I need a beat to dance to, that's what breaks are for. Or trance. Not generic gangsta rap. That shit is just old, son.
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Damnit, MilkmanDan beat me too it. So, to echo his statement:
LISTEN TO MORE ATMOSPHERE
RE: The Beastie Boys - All I have to say is "Paul's Boutique"
RE: J5 - *yawn*
Hmm, what have I been listening to lately on the hip hop front...
M.I.A. - Sri Lankan cum British female rapper. Sing-songy flow, with Dizzee Rascal-esque beats, only not as abrasive - i.e - done right. Not everyone is gonna like this chick. In fact, I really want to hate her a lot. But I can't, cause what she's doing is just that damn good.
Brother Ali - If you like the Rhymesayers crew, you'll like Ali. Ant from Atmospehre produces. It's not great, but it's good and very enjoyable.
Sweatshop Union - I keep coming back to these guys and liking them more and more everytime I listen. Socially Conscious, but tounge in cheek at the same time. They don't take themselves too seriously, which makes them a lot more bareable than the j5's and the talib kwali's.
Ive never really been able to get into the Anticon sound. I love what they do, and I love how they push the limits of hip hop...but its just a little bit beyond me. I keep hearing that I need to listen to Deep Puddle Dynamics, and Im sure I will cause Slug's in it.
DJ Danger Mouse - The Grey Album - I love jay'z earlier work (reasonable doubt, in my lifetime vol. 1-2), but I thought the Black Album was terrible. Cliche bling beats. But Ive been listening to danger mouse's reworking of the album since it dropped, and its probably one of my favorite hip hop albums ever. I keep coming back to this album. Its amazing.
You dont know him yet, but you will. Weerd Science. His first album is about to drop (Ive had it forever, but never had a track listing. Hopefully ill be able to get one soon), and I think its gonna make a few waves. This is the side prohject of Josh, the drummer from Coheed and Cambria, and its really great, fun, tounge in cheek stuff, a la early eminem. check out www.weerdscience.com
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All that's left is for me to echo those how said it earlier. Jurassic 5 rocks regardless of what spencer has to say (i mean, i don't dig the beastie boys, but i'd get strung up for saying that in most circles), handsome boy modeling school, Deltron 3030 (AKA Del tha Funkee Homosapien), Dan the Automator, the Roots, Black Eyed Peas.
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Est, you saw Grandmaster Flash and didn't have a good time? I saw him last year, and it was absolutely awesome. Danced my ass off for the whole thing.
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but back to the "MTV" rap and what not... Guys like 50 cent aren't just crap. Guy like 50cent and The Game and others make some of the best party hip hop available. Songs like Disco Inferno may about about him sitting in a club getting fucked up on Henesy and Hypnotic but that beat is damn good and people will dance all night to that
They make some of the best party Hip-Hop available, but their beats are tired. How many times do I have to listen to the same drumline before someone gets a clue and does something different? Maybe I don't understand what a dance beat is supposed to be about, I'm only a drummer after all, but that stuff doesn't have the swing to make me want to shake my ass.
The trite lyrics don't bother me, after all rock lyrics aren't necessarily poetry.
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I'm with Druid on this one. But I know what Marc means, I'm not going to sit back in my dorm room and listen to 50 while I'm writing out an assignment, but predictable beats and nihilistic lyrics actually kind of work for the club scene, 'cos then it's about what's going on between you and your partner, not so much the music itself.
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I've skimmed through and not sure if anyones mentioned;
DJ Shadow - Entroducing.
I have to say that is fantastic for any hip hop fan;
Alphabet Aerobics i first heard on;
DJ Kicks - Nightmares on Wax.
Which I also recommend as a starting compilation mixed very well and a great selection in there.
Last years
Foreign Exchange - Connected;
I thought this was fantastic.
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after all rock lyrics aren't necessarily poetry.
dude, the best rock lyrics sure do come close. the best hip-hop does, too, IMHO.
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Some are...well Pig Destroyer's are at least.
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I am a huge fan of Atmosphere, DJ Shadow, Kanye West, Dizzee Rascal and G-Unit. (Y)
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Some more good rap artists are The Fugees (The Mask, Fu-gee-la, Ready or Not) and Del the Funky Homosapien (he did Clint Eastwood and Rock Tha House for Gorillaz). Also, most of the solo projects from Fugees are good (Miseducation esp.)
Oh yeah, I forgot to tell everyone to LISTEN TO STEVIE WONDER. "Songs In the Key of Life" is one of the greatest albums of all time. Although not rap, he influenced all rap we hear.
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How could I forget the Fugees. Also, I just remembered, pretty much ANY rap track with Vinia Mojica on it is golden. She's this woman with an amazing voice that puts you at ease.
She's on Kweli's - The Blast, Stand to the Side
Mos's - Climb
Black Star's - K.O.S. (these are all tracks I've already listed)
Some De La and Q Tribe tracks too.
Check her out online, she's never released an album but she's a constant performer on slightly left of center rap and R&B albums.
I remember seeing a guide to Vinia Mojica collaborations on Amazon, lost the link though. I heard she kicks ass live too; I'd kill to hear her perform her own music.
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The Fugees were incredible, and its a shame that they get overlooked so often. Sorta hard not to considering how much Wyclef and Lauren's solo work outshined the Groups work. It's a shame they don't plan on getting back together. I guess Lauren carries a huge grudge against Wyclef. Scorned lovers and whatnot.
The Miseducation of Lauren Hill was an incredible album. It still has heavy rotation in my playlist.
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dude, the best rock lyrics sure do come close. the best hip-hop does, too, IMHO.
I know. They both have their extremes.
I was just pointing out that rock has it's share of bad lyrics as well. Just look at anything by Jet or the Vines as examples of stupid rock lyrics.
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>Beastie Boys
I don't really count them as rap. Did anyone else think their last record well, kinda sucked? Older = better in this case
Paul's Boutique = classic
I'm glad people here are at least open-minded. Right now I'm listening to a lot of Jurassic 5, Loop Junktion, k-os, MF Doom, Black Star, Edan, and Percee P to name a few...
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LISTEN TO MORE ATMOSPHERE
Atmosphere is really meh. I don't like Slug, period.
RE: J5 - *yawn*
How so?
Sweatshop Union - I keep coming back to these guys and liking them more and more everytime I listen. Socially Conscious, but tounge in cheek at the same time. They don't take themselves too seriously, which makes them a lot more bareable than the j5's and the talib kwali's.
Yeah, Sweatshop Union is one of the best groups in Canadian hip-hop recently.
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My votes go to Jurassic 5 and the Roots.
The Streets, anyone? *laughs uncontrollably*
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See, this is exactly why I don't like talking music with indie people. Sure I share common interests in the good music of our time, but only if said good music is independent and/or relatively unknown. It's a closeminded stance on contemporary music. And I get flak for it in my college radio crowd. And I'll get flak for it here. But
50 Cent is great. G-Unit is great. Contemporary mainstream gangsta rap is great. All incredibly talented rappers. Very interestingly post modern expression of contemporary culture.
Arguments against are all just bullshit. Stories told for justification of showing a cold shoulder.
Just dig it.
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I can dig it at parties. Maybe shows if there was a smaller crowd, but not when I'm thinking.
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I'm listening to Dälek's Absense right now.
The phrase "hip-hop My Bloody Valentine" gets thrown around a lot with these guys, but it's not an inaccurate descriptor. The beats are massively weighty, and the vocals are half-buried under gossamer waves of treated synths, guitars, and static.
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Dälek are good stuff. Weird stuff, but good.
In other news, bad Radiowar. Very bad Radiowar. What is about Slug you don't like? I have no idea what kind of stuff you listen to, other than Sweatshop union, and (I assume) J5. From just those two, I'm kinda suprised you don't like Atmosphere.
Also, J5 are pretty yawn. I used to be loving it, but they just don't excite me anymore. Swing Set is still a tune, but I've listened to it too much. Everything else... meh, basically.
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See, this is exactly why I don't like talking music with indie people. Sure I share common interests in the good music of our time, but only if said good music is independent and/or relatively unknown. It's a closeminded stance on contemporary music. And I get flak for it in my college radio crowd. And I'll get flak for it here. But
50 Cent is great. G-Unit is great. Contemporary mainstream gangsta rap is great. All incredibly talented rappers. Very interestingly post modern expression of contemporary culture.
Arguments against are all just bullshit. Stories told for justification of showing a cold shoulder.
Just dig it.
*rant on*
maybe that's because there is some truth in it? Yeah some probably don't listen because it is not the thing to hear, but I honestly just can't stand gangsta rap. The texts are rubbish and unintentionally comical, especially 50 Cent just take Candy Shop. Sure the beats can be okay, but the content of their rap is appalling. And that is not even including all the sexism etc. While I am at it, I might as well confess my dislike for Eminem too. I find him boring and uninspired, like too many other mainstream rappers he trives off a good sample and thats that. Some of this is equally true for rock bands, fx. Puddle of Mudd and Nickelback etc. but the difference is I don't get that shove in my face all the time. Frankly I think gangsta rap and R&B is a disease that needs to be cut away. While saying that, I can't forbid anyone to listen to it nor do I want to, it just irritates me because it is always on the radio and everywhere I go.
*rant end ;)*
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In other news, bad Radiowar. Very bad Radiowar. What is about Slug you don't like? I have no idea what kind of stuff you listen to, other than Sweatshop union, and (I assume) J5. From just those two, I'm kinda suprised you don't like Atmosphere.
Also, J5 are pretty yawn. I used to be loving it, but they just don't excite me anymore. Swing Set is still a tune, but I've listened to it too much. Everything else... meh, basically.
Well Quality Control is one of my favorite albums, so even if I don't like their other stuff, they still count as one of my favorite hip-hop groups I guess.
I just think Slug is a bad rapper. I don't like the stuff he does (although I did like 'The River' for awhile).
Other hip-hop I listen to includes but is not limited to: MF Doom, Royce da 5'9", Common, Jay-Z, Jadakiss, Nas, Braille, Tupac, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Black Thought, Dead Prez, Wu-Tang Clan, Black Market Militia, Outkast, Madlib, Mountain Brothers, Jin, Charizma, Del the Funkee Homosapien, Hieroglyphics, Souls of Mischief, Lootpack, Guru, k-os, Jurassic 5, Method Man, Oh No, Percee P, Rakim, Skillz, Little Brother, Masta Ace, Jean Grae, Murs, Mr. Lif, Blueprint, Tonedeff, Edan, Choclair, Kardinal Offishall, Rascalz, Rakim, Kurupt, Crooked I, Notorious B.I.G., DPG, Kool G Rap, and Kool Keith.
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Very interestingly post modern expression of contemporary culture.
If this is ment to be synonymous with banal and uninteresting I agree.
I've explained my position on mainstream rap, they have unimaginative beats and uninteresting, sometimes annoying, production. If I like it I'll say that I like it, and if it annoys me I'll say that too.
Just to add something else to the arguement, I've found that the rappers and DJ(s) combination makes more interesting music then rappers and producers combination. This may be me being baised towards bands rather then just artists or labels.
As far as Em goes, he has talent, but he also comes off as just a novelty act like ICP and Gwar. Then there is Dr. Dre's production which is, once again, uninspired.
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Does anyone else listen to Michael Franti/ Spearhead
It's absolutely fanfuckingtastic, and I don't like rap! In general, that is, there is very little rap I appreciate, but he his talented and it's not about bitches and bling... it's alot more social commentary type with words you can actually understand.
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I haven't heard his stuff with Spearhead, but I like his earlier project, Disposible Heros of Hiphoprisy. It's good industrial rap; the only downside is that much the subject matter is very time-specific and hasn't aged well.
I'm in a hip-hop mood, so I've got with me today:
Dälek - Absence
Dr. Octagon - Dr. Octagonecologyst
New Kingdom - Paradice Don't Come Cheap
Wu-Tang Clan - The W
King Geedorah - Take Me to Your Leader
Ice - Bad Blood
Techno Animal - The Brotherhood of the Bomb
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I just think Slug is a bad rapper. I don't like the stuff he does (although I did like 'The River' for awhile).
Well, that's ok. I just can't stand the people who like Slug on Headshots / Overcast! and think he fell off after that. If you just don't like any Slug, that's fair enough, but I still think you're missing out. You listened to any other Rhymesayers stuff?(Other than MF Doom, obviously) Brother Ali, Eyedea & Abilities etc.
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There IS good rap out there... it is just very hard to find. I also have a guility pleasure with some classic Cypress Hill and Snoop Dog.... But most of the popular hip-hop today is just tired and boring.
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Hello everyone,
I have surprised myself by registering with a forum just because I want to talk about a particular thing. That thing is The Go! Team.
They are a British band, from Brighton I believe. They released an album called Thunder Lightning Strike last year. It would be hard to define them as a rap act, but their music is largely made from samples so it's fair to say that without rap music we wouldn't have The Go! Team. If you like the sound of heavy, clattering drumbeats, howling harmonicas, old soul samples, vocal chants and stuff, you may well enjoy them. It's a bit all-over-the-place, but for me it's the happiest and funkiest music I've heard of late. Get hold of 'Huddle Formation', it actually sounds very indie.
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While I (and many others on this forum) are loving The Go! Team, I have to question their rap relevance. Samples != Hip-Hop, let alone rap. But yeah, they rock.
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That has me wondering, where does responsibility lay for sampling?
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You could probably go back to Stockhausen and musique concrete guys for coming up with the idea of sampling other sounds.
Don't know who the first person would be who made a song based on a sample of other people's music. Maybe Afrika Bambaataa mashing-up two Kraftwerk tracks for "Planet Rock"?
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Well, I'd say Hip-Hop certainly started sampling, at least on the level we now associate with 'sample music'. So IT takes the responsability. My point is that lots of other genre's also now use sampling, so use of samples doesn't make The Go! Team Hip-Hop.
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The only solid rap artist I've ever been able to stand is Eminem, which doesn't say much, I know... I think that since he raps about the stuff you hear so often in the press then it's easier to hook into the meaning and stuff. His last album was trash though, so I guess he's on the way out.
I enjoy some of the rap metal kind of stuff, older Limp Bizkit and stuff like that, but that's about as far as it goes. Personally I respect it because I can see the talent and skill involved in rapping, but other than that I don't particularly care for it.
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I'm a big fan of Masta Ace, and Nas's Illmatic.
~ B
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All these have been mentioned already, but I'm just listing what I listen to:
Beastie Boys (To The 5 Boroughs wasn't horrible, but it was still not quite up to what I would expect from them, considering how great they once were.)
K-Os (B-Boy Stance is in my Top 5 favorite hip-hop songs EVAR.)
Handsome Boy Modeling School (White People is probably the greatest collabo project between rock and hip-hop ever done.)
Jurassic 5
M.I.A. (What Spencer said.)
The Streets (I LOVE THE STREETS. I'm a big fan of albums that tell a story {recent examples include the Mars Volta album and Green Day's American Idiot}, and A Grand Don't Come For Free actually tells one that is very easy to relate to. And their previous album, Original Pirate Material, is just a whole bunch of great hip-hop.)
Dizzee Rascal
Outkast (They are just a great hip-hop duo, with Stankonia probably being the epitome of their career, IMO.)
I think that's most of it.
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I'm a newbie to this area of the forum, so I'll start off with a list too.
- Dr. Dre
- G-Unit (50 Cent, Tony Yayo, Young Buck, Lloyd Banks, The Game)
- Eminem & D-12
- Kanye West
There're a whole bunch of others whose albums I have & listen to, but those on this list are my top priorities.
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so use of samples doesn't make The Go! Team Hip-Hop.
I sampleing was the only criteria for sampleing then MBV would be hip-hop.
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Don't know who the first person would be who made a song based on a sample of other people's music. Maybe Afrika Bambaataa mashing-up two Kraftwerk tracks for "Planet Rock"?
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_%28music%29
Early Precedents
In the 1940's, some Musique concrète composers utilized portions of other recordings to create new compositions.
In the 1950's, Bill Buchanan and Dickie Goodman released a song, "The Flying Saucers", which featured samples of various then-popular songs, all taken out of context from their original material and used as answers to a wacky reporter's question about spaceships from another planet. Goodman would later make a career out of similar "break-in" or "snippet" records, and is today considered one of the fathers of pop music sampling.
An interesting early use sampling was on Charlie Haden's 1969 release, Liberation Music Orchestra: A few of the album's numbers (such as "Song For Che") feature fragments of Gramophone recordings of songs from the Spanish civil war, but integrated as part of a new song.
1969 also saw "Revolution 9" from the Beatles' The White Album, composed partly of portions of orchestral recordings.
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If you ask me, the best beats right now are coming from the Pop groups. The Brittany's, the Justins, the N'Syncs and the like. I can certainly see where Druid is coming from, saying that mainstream rap beats are uninspired. I know there hasnt been a mainstream rap hit in a while that I've really latched on to.
But I definitly think that mainstream hip hop shines when it comes to it's dance tracks. Producers seem to really let loose and break out some really fun ass shaking stuff. "Crazy in Love" by Beyonce is probably one of the best examples of the past few years I can think of in regards to this ("Toxic" also immediatly springs to mind). And of course, Timbaland does/did some of his best work with Missy Elliot and Aliyah. And yes, I admit, that Usher remix with Lil' John is hot.
As an aside, I never got 50 cent. I guess I just cant stand his cadence.
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Thing I don't get is, how all you guys claim to like good, unique independent music, then go salivating over commercialised mainstream tripe.
If you want some beats, try Hanzel und Gretyl or old KMFDM. Them's beats you can move to.
Disintegrate the disintegrator! \m/
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I like music that I like.
KMFDM always reminds me of one of the Anne Gwish comics by Jhonen Vasquez with the MUST DANCE, FAVORITE SONG zombie like club people.
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The Streets for an international hip hop flavor.
I was always a hige fan of Wu Tang
and here in Milwaukee we have a group called the Rust Pelicans that is just f-ing awseome.
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I like music that I like.
That's what I mean. Why don't you all just admit that, all in all, what you really like is stuff that sounds pretty much like what's on the radio, except with lyrics about Neitzsche and spatulas?
Also, all who do not dance when 'A Drug Against War' comes on are killed instantly by the goth police. They're like normal police, only mopier.
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Brother Ali
Shadows Of The Sun was one of my favorite albums last year.
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yeah it's a great album. Produced by Ant as well, so the Atmosphere beats can't be the problem, so clearly you just don't like Slug.
KharBevNor: Hey! How about you stop being a dick? "OMG My music is so more indie than yours! Your entire genre is a sellout compared to mine" Seriously, just stop it now, before things get out of hand.
Revenge_Therepist: Rusty Pelicansm, eh? Did 'All I Have' with Slug and DJ Abilities. Great song, but I never got listened to any of their other stuff.
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I would never, ever, ever use the phrase 'more indie than yours'*. I was just venting.
*Even though it's totally true. :p
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yeah, I know you're just venting, but I thought it was important to nip any potential flame wars in the bud.
And it's not true at all. I've already offered to send you some Hip-Hop that you might be more interested in, you shouldn't go judging genre's when you don't know about them.
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I listened to some of it, I can't quite remember which, I deleted them, as I didn't like them and I'm reasonably tight on hard disk space.
I wasn't knocking hip-hop, more a sort of general point. Soz.
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Thing I don't get is, how all you guys claim to like good, unique independent music, then go salivating over commercialised mainstream tripe.
If you want some beats, try Hanzel und Gretyl or old KMFDM. Them's beats you can move to.
Disintegrate the disintegrator! \m/
Trying to explain hip hop to someone who doesn't feel it naturally, is, well, impossible.
KMFDM is certainly energetic, and it may be what you dance to, I've only heard one of their songs. I think I liked it; it was ages ago, but I'm not going to get dressed up, go to a club, get my drink on and dance up on somebody to one of their songs.
Shit, I'm trying to put a feeling into words here and failing miserably. Hip hop is about confidence, not always anger and not necessarily always aggression, it's about feeling like the smoothest motherfucker in a club (even if you aren't, I most certainly am not). It's about poppin' and lockin', even when you have more lock than pop. I just helped organize this on-campus event for a cultural group, and we invited this troop of b-boys and girls to perform, it was amazing! Everyone got up on their feet when they were deep into their routine. A lot of it is about sex too, now that I think about it. Take a peek inside any hip hop club the next time you happen to pass one by.
As an aside, I do love me a good mosh pit or house club etc... but those are different experiences entirely.
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Don't worry, I understand how difficult it is to explain you're favoured music to someone who doesn't 'get it'. Everyone normally has one or two genres or styles that, when done right, just get something inside them.
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I keep meaning to investigate grime more. I keep listening to the tape I have of Jon E Cash's set on the Peel tribute night, but I never know what's good to get in that genre.
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yeah it's a great album. Produced by Ant as well, so the Atmosphere beats can't be the problem, so clearly you just don't like Slug.
Yeah I know. I like Ant's production (for the most part).
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I can't remember what site I was on, but there was a guy who said that Led Zep sucked and rap ruled, then another person chimed in with this gem:
'Y'all are gay if you don't like Led Zeppelin. All rap is is some black person talking gay.'
A masterpiece. Totally true too.
I think the only thing perfect about that is how absolutely the Zep fan matched the idiocy of the post to which he was responding.
Actually, it's probably easier to dismiss Led Zeppelin than the entire genre of rap on the grounds of artistic merit and social influence. I mean, I like them pretty well and all, and they were a very important band, but they weren't THAT monolithic.
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Oh, and for those who have been posting about DJ Shadow and RJD2 and whoever else, I'd like to add Prefuse 73, whose concert I missed tonight, thanks to my boss' love of scheduling me on days that I request off.
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He made you miss Prefuse 73? Kill him. Then kill him again.
That being said, Surrounded by silence was a bit disapointing. Nowhere near as good as Vocal studies + uprock narratives.
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"Crazy in Love" by Beyonce is probably one of the best examples of the past few years I can think of in regards to this ("Toxic" also immediatly springs to mind).
I have to admit that I actually like those singles along with the Justin Timberlake one.
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^ Seconded. It's virtually impossible to hear them and not want to dance like a mong.
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Yep, those songs were just damn good pop music. And there's nothing at all wrong with that.
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^ Seconded. It's virtually impossible to hear them and not want to stab myself in the ears with an ice-pick
Corrected ^_^
Toxic would have been an awesome song if it had been done by KISS or Poison though.
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Khar, try giving in to your inner pop demon!
Everyone has one, it's just that yours may be buried under a little more...metal than most :)
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No matter how buried it'll keep bubbling away inside him, and one day we'll come on here and find that he's gotten really really drunk and scrawled "I <3 Justin" and "Sean Paul is raw sex" in every single thread.
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...and quoting both artists on a regular basis.
'gonna have you nekkid by the end of this song'
Oh yes.
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Last time I got drunk (which was last night) I remember stumbling from the bus station to home in a sort of zig-zag pattern trying to sing 'Supersatan' by Cryptic Wintermoon
The part where I wrapped myself tightly around a lamp-post for balance then rasped "HEY LITTLE MOTHERFUCKER, I WILL MAKE YOU A FOOL!" at it before kissing it and throwing a metal salute and screaming "I AM THE SUPERSATAN" at some chavs who were just looking at me like their brains had melted has some comedic value methinks.
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One day, it'll be 'Sound of the Underground' coming from your lips as you touch them lightly to street furniture. You're just in denial ;)
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ive said it before, i say it again.
I like Toxic and i like sound of the underground.
MUSIC POLICE BE DAMNED"
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I like Sound of the Underground.
Well, I like Overlord's cover of it.
The extreme sludge metal one.
Their singer sounds like an Orc vomiting through his nostrils.
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But you surely can't deny the awesomeness of the original?
The flyers for the club I'm djing at have a picture of Nicola Roberts on the front accompanied by the words "Because Muse do not 'rock'." Fuck yeah.
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The original version does not include the dreaded soviet drum horror of Mike the Elephant Man, or make use of Overlord's patent 'Drop the tuning till the strings fall off' guitar sound. So no, not really.
Seriously, tortured grindy screams, low recording quality, and a whole metric tonnage of feedback, and it's awesome. The original is just annoying. Pop music makes me far more moody and angry than any amount of extreme metal ever could.
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good pop music is good pop music, its not clever and its not big. its just fonky-ass tunes which infiltrate your brain.
doesnt matter if your little sister listens to them.
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I also think it's worth mentioning that I was never regularly exposed to pop music until about nine-ten months ago when I was forced to face the horrors of the sixth form common room stereo. Pop music (modern pop music anyway: My views on the sixties are entirely different) has never really appealed to me, and I have made no effort to check it out. All the radios in my house are tuned to either Radio 4 or Radio 7 and waste very little time transferring between, except for maybe the odd dabble on Classic FM or Radio 3. It distresses me enormously that people listen to things like Power FM.
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Toxic would have been an awesome song if it had been done by KISS or Poison though.
Ugh.
If it had been done by either of them I think would have stabbed my ears out with a ice-pick.
No offense to your tastes, but I have a particular hatred for Pop Metal.
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They're arena rock, not pop metal.
Pop metal has been definitively proven either not to exist by being an oxymoron, or to be Sonata Arctica. Take your pick.
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There is some good pop music around these days. Toxic has one of the best basslines ever, Justin Timberlake is great as is some Girls Aloud. Of course, there are huge numbers of awful pop songs around to make up for it.
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They're arena rock, not pop metal.
Whichever. Still bad.