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Fun Stuff => CLIKC => Topic started by: c1utch on 16 May 2005, 19:20
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so they've released pics for the two consoles, specs too, but those you can find on engadget
(http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/ps3.jpg)
(http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/ps32.jpg)
and
(http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/4/xbox360/Xbox_360_official.jpg)
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you didnt post a picture of ps2 with controller
i dono how
it looks like a boomerang made by mad katz.
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(http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/ps3_controller.jpg)
sorry, i didn't want you all to burn your eyes.
most uncomfortable controller evar!
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I was just looking for pics of the new Playstation. It looks kind of fat, but it doesn't look bad.
The controller looks horrible though. I hope there are adapters for the old ones.
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Playstaton 3 is apparently played with a boomerang.
That's good news if you're playing, say, Batman.
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Oh god. But nothing was wrong with the PS2 controller! IT WAS AWESOME. T_T
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XBox 360 > Playstation 3.
This is based 100% on looks. I don't really give a shit about which ones better, so lets not get any flame wars on the go. That controller is horrifying.
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They're both ugly as hell. Major difference is that the PS3 has incredible graphics.
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WTF is up with the pad for the PS3, Xbox 360 looks ok but the PS3 looks better
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I dunno. the PS3 doesn't look too bad.. the XBox looks a bit funky.. But I'm praying that the PS3 will be backwards compatible, as far as controllers go.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/Hawkinoc/e3-2005-revolution-revealed.jpg)
Rev.
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The PS3 and Rev are sexy. I'm amazed that Sony decided to fuck up the best controller of the last gen, though. All they had to do was swap the left analog stick and d-pad and it would've been perfect.
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Hahahahaha! I can't believe they've completely redesigned an almost perfect joypad, while failing to change the one thing that was wrong with it (the analogue sticks). Sony, you have messed up. The console looks nice though. The Revolution, too. (It's not actually gonna be called that, is it?) Truly, this is one sexy generation of videogame devices.
I doubt it. I remember when the Gamecube was called "the Dolphin"...
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I actually like that controller. You're not going to be holding it from the back, but sort of from the top.
Ergonomically it makes sense to me, but I would have to have one to show you how I think you should hold it.
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I really need to hold that PS3 controller to see how it feels.
I tried a 3rd-party controller for PS1, that had almost the same design, and it was surprisingly comfy.
Really though, why didn't they move the Left Analog stick? Jesus... LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMER-BASE SONY!!
The console itself out-sexifies the X-Box 360 (aka X-Box stupidname) and the Revolution.
So is that PS3 controller wireless? It looks it!
Finally... why did they use the same font, on the PS3 itself, as they use in the 'Spiderman' title (on the movies)?
Every time I see that thing in my livingroom, I'm going to think "Spiderman!"
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I think the PS3 looks like an updated Atari. Seriously. Same idiotic box shape, now with curves instead of angles. Ooh.
I just watched the hour and twenty minute long press release MS had at E3. Some amazing titles coming for the 360. They've got quite the idea behind it, really digging the bundled Live service.
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They're not final products, so design is subject to vast change. After the debacle with the XBox controller, I don't think either company is going to risk putting out anything thats anything less than uber comfortable. The first thing that strikes me about the new XBox is that it looks rather Japanese.
Meh, I'm not hugely fussed either way, I may end up with one of them at some point, but I'll most likely leave it untill a good year or so after they're out.
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I'd like a 360, but I'm going to wait for two things: version 1.1 to come out, and to find out what the mod capabilities are. The 'always online' thing seems to be a nice way to foil any fun that can be had with the box.
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I think the revolution out-sexified the other two by far. Simple and clean without being faux-modern. I think the new PS3 looks terrible. It's like they tried too hard - same with the controller. Just judging from the picture, it appears they've sacrificed functionality for aeshetics.
Haven't designers learned ANYTHING from Apple's success?
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I cannot comment on the Revolution, for nothing of substance has been said. Didn't even have a unit to show, only a concept. Meh. They could have kept quiet about it, but because MS and Sony have something to push, they had to show something, anything. Bah. The GC was not a huge success. Talking about how it has sold 10 million units (ooh) with 60 new games coming out this year (ahh). Sad numbers from them. MS had better numbers to wow people with.
I'm not in sync with Nintendo's vision of gaming, so I doubt I'll ever buy a system from them. Or a DS. I'd take a PSP instead. And a 360 over a Revolution or the PS3.
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From the site that you got the Revolution picture from:
As for the Nintendo revolution.
Wow, how can a plain metal box be "the best looking system ever"? There is really nothing striking about it. It's a frickin box...it's pretty cool, like Mac-Mini cool, but it's just a box...how long did this take to come up with? 5 or 6 minutes I am guessing. Nintendo round-table...
"It's a revolution guys, so what should it look like?"
"How bout a metal box?"
"Brilliant!"
"Brilliant!"
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A friend of mine said it good a while back: If squaresoft makes games for the console then I'll buy it.
To sum it up: I'll go wherever the good games are. As of yet that'd mean Sonys PS-serien for me.
I'm not overly happy about Sony deciding to use Bluetooth for their controllers though, a tad bit too high powerconsumption.
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^ XBOX do have the rights to all bioware games remember.
Thats gotta be a hell of a lot of good games right there.
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I just want another Fallout game. :(
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Amen to that. Or maybe a good Planetscape game.
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"Redefining term of backward compatability." It's a virtual console, able to download 20 years of Nintendo content. You will be able to Download NES, Super NES and N64 games. You can get every Nintendo game ever made.
(link) (http://cube.ign.com/articles/615/615089p1.html)
GUYS, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. DUCK HUNT!
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OH SHIT. CONTRA!
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I think Fallout is forever lost.. Atleast as we knew it. A new Planetscape could happen but as said, probably Xbox..
hm.. to sum up the titles behind the consoles:
Sony: Squaresoft titles, an abundance of everything
MS: Halo, Bioware, New american gamecompanies(?) and something about Squaresoft maybe porting their games here.
Nintendo: Mario, Early Squaresoft, Zelda..
Seriously.. I've spent countless of hours over a few of the Zelda-series, mostly over the "A link to the past" and "Link's Awakening", it hurts a bit missing out the newer titles.
Do I smell a win for the XBOX? It doesn't really matter, I don't have time anymore anyway. Maybe when I start working, heh.
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I dunno. the PS3 doesn't look too bad.. the XBox looks a bit funky.. But I'm praying that the PS3 will be backwards compatible, as far as controllers go.
"It was also revealed that the PS3 would be backwards compatible with both the PS2 and PS1."
Yep yep, good stuff indeed.
Source: GameSpy's E3 '05 Exposé (http://ps2.gamespy.com/articles/614/614972p1.html)
Also, the controller has got to go, the system models are sleek, no problems there, although the Spider-man font seems too tacky.
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The new Zelda is the reason I bought a gamecube. The first time I saw the trailer I had to take a cold shower.
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Haven't designers learned ANYTHING from Apple's success?
Well, they're all using IBM processors!
The ps3 (at current porjected specs) will be #87 on the fastest supercomputers list, xbox360 comes in 399th.
oh and while we're on the new gaming topic let me show you the Game Boy Micro:
(http://img.engadget.com/common/images/8313187118786387.JPG)
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Uh, I'm not sure what specs for the PS3 CPU you were reading, but it's a single CPU. Not gonna hit #87.
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wrong :)
IBM cell processor at 3.2ghz with 9 assymetrical cores.
2.18tflops max speed= #87 (http://www.top500.org/lists/plists.php?Y=2004&M=11) (you have to scroll down, sorry)
of course I partly agree with you, chances are the specs will change for the worse, but as of right now, yea 2.18tflops, 1tflop for the xbox
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Not quite, no. It's one processing unit with eight attached processing units. In a perfect world, it's fast. Just like in a perfect world, the PS2 had awesome hardware. Hard as fuck to write code for it, though, because of the strange optimizations that must happen. Not a big fan of the architecture, nor the marketing hype surrounding it. Nor will I base any desicions on things that doesn't even really exist yet. Not until one of them sees production will I start to make a decision. Sure, there are legions of fanboys out there hyping how the Cell will demolish PCs, etc, etc, but that doesn't really count for squat. Guess I'll just wait and see.
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Well, I officially did not understand one bit of that list.
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Number 87 on that list was an NEC-based system.
I think this article should help to clear the air about what a Cell is and is not: http://www.jonpeddie.com/Back_Pages/What%20the%20Cell%20isn't_Feb05.shtml
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It's one processing unit with eight attached processing units.
I may be missing the distinction between what each of us said, because 1 + 8 is nine just like the current pentium D is 1 + 1 or 2.
Yes, the cell will be very very hard to program for, which is why Nintendo is pumping out the messege to developers that their system will be easy for this. It is new architecture, and assymetrical at that. So the promise in current PCs is little to none, but who knows what the future holds.
However, it is, if anything, new and different, which is why it seems so promising. The fact that (in a perfect world yea) it is fast, and t has to be cheap, because not many people will want to buy a >$600 console.
But yea, I'm definately of the opinion that everyone will have to wait and see, the systems don't even have finalized specs yet, I was just giving input based on their current hardware boastings.
*edit* Oh, and I just read that article, and it quotes the P3 as 256gflops, but that is per core, so Sony's stats are almost correct in theory at 2.81tflops
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The Revolution has me as a guaranteed purchaser just for the complete backwards compatibility. They could release no new games for it at all and I'd still be happy.
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I may be missing the distinction between what each of us said, because 1 + 8 is nine just like the current pentium D is 1 + 1 or 2.
There's a big distiction. The Cell is not a multi-core CPU, it's a CPU with attached low-level math crunching engines. The CPU itself can do regular tasks, the APUs can do very specific tasks only.
*edit* Oh, and I just read that article, and it quotes the P3 as 256gflops, but that is per core, so Sony's stats are almost correct in theory at 2.81tflops
Again, there is only ONE processing unit inside a PS3, not four or eight or nine. Just one. You also have to make a differentiation: the Cell is optimized for a very specific thing, and that's performing mathematical calculations required to generate graphics. It's a lot of SIMD performance, but nothing else. No complicated actions, etc. The article summed it up nicely: the processor is designed to process predictable unchanging data. Once you start changing the type of data that goes in, things go boom. That's the difference between the Cell and x86/EPIC/RISC chips. Cell just wants to do the same kind of operations over and over really quickly, nothing else.
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Revolution's backwards compatibility makes me want to crap myself.
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ive heard some pretty good things about the 360. i dont know if this has been mentioned, there was too much computery stuff going on up there, anyway, what ive been told is that you will be able to plug stuff like your telephone, digital and web cams, mice and keyboards and practically every pc peripheral around into the xbox. i reckon it sounds pretty sexy, and it doesnt look that bad either, stupid reason for calling it the 360 though
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Game Boy Micro
Wow, now there is absolutely no reason to own my DS. Nintendo really did a number on me man I mean there's no getting around that THERE'S NO GETTING AROUND THAT
The Gameboy Micro looks like ass.
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Wow, now there is absolutely no reason to own my DS. Nintendo really did a number on me man I mean there's no getting around that THERE'S NO GETTING AROUND THAT
Well the Nintendo DS and the Nintendo GameBoy are different products, notice the missing "GameBoy" in the DS's name? So they planned to put out GameBoys as well the entire time.
@Nihilist: looking at another article [urlhttp://www.blachford.info/computer/Cells/Cell1.html]here[/url] it appears you are right about them being distinct (though often referred to as simply 9 PUs) there are 8APUs and one controller PU.
But I quote from the website: "The Attached Processing Units are not coprocessors, they are complete independent processors in their own right. The PU sets them up with a software Cell and then "kicks" them into action. Once running the APU executes the apulet in the software Cell until it is complete or it is told to stop. The PU sets up the APUs using Remote Procedure calls, these are not sent sent directly to the APUs but rather sent via the DMAC which also performs any memory reads or writes required."
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c1utch: While the APUs are their own little units, they're not in the same league as the CPU itself; they're designed to do specific number crunching only. It is not the same as having nine CPUs.
It'll be fast, don't get me wrong. It'll just be a very specific kind of fast, which is why I don't think it'll be challenging the desktop world for the next while.
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PS3 = Bose Lifestyle home theater system
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006AL0N.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
You know I'm right.
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I think Xbox 360 is the least impressive system so far. They just seem to be making a whole lot of noise over nothing much.
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The XBox 360 and PS3 seem identical to me. They're both just kind of boring to me.
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IMO, PS3 will absoluteley crush XBox 360.
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It'll be fast, don't get me wrong. It'll just be a very specific kind of fast, which is why I don't think it'll be challenging the desktop world for the next while.
Me too, its a new technology, if it does even catch on at all, it will be a bit down the line.
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What impresses me about the Nintendo Rev is the size of only about 3 DVD cases. and the fact that the slot loader can load 12cm full size discs and the small 8cm ones, while standing on its side. thats just cool.
Not to mention excite bike!
If that Gameboy Micro plays old B&W and color carts, I'm definately picking one up. I've got a DS, but no way to play GBC games.
Ps3... xbox360.. they'll both be fast, and I'll be unable to afford either for a long time. I'll stick to my modded xbox.
I think what really matters is what games come out for which consoles, and how good are similar games on the consoles. Like if a game comes out on both, will both be equal, or will they cut corners for one platform?
Its like now. if you like Halo, you get an xbox. if you like FF, you get a PS2. Zelda? then go Cube. Games available for all three generally suck crap on the cube, but xbox and ps2 don't have Zelda or Animal Crossing.
I personally think its kind of a useless argument as to which hardware is better. We should really talk about which games have the most enjoyable play on which system. It doesn't matter how much faster one system is over the other, if the games all suck on the faster one.
on a side note, yet somehow related to my argument... I've rediscovered MUDs.
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if you like FF, you get a PS2.
ummm not any more ... FF XI is coming out for xbox360 as well.
Not to say that the new installments won't be PS3 only, but this one will go with xbox360 :)
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Actually, I think FFXI will be on Rev too.
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I'm buying whatever system the new FFVII is on SO HARD that you have no idea.
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PS3. It's a rumour, but uh, it's a fucking amazing-looking rumour.
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Then why was the video for it being shown on the live E3 coverage? I will kill the world so hard. I swear. FFVII was like the coolest game evar(In recent years. Excluding old classics).
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They often make remakes like that for games just to test new graphic-engines. I'm guessing that the next FF-game will use it, but that there probably won't be any remake of the FFVII.
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They had FF6 remake CGI videos for the N64 before Square jumped ship to Sony.
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The FFVII thing was officially declared as a tech demo, so sorry to rain on that parade.
Of course, it's not unknown for developers to bow to public demand, so there's always hope. Hell, Luigi's Mansion started off as just a tech demo.
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The XBox 360 and PS3 seem identical to me. They're both just kind of boring to me.
the xbox 360 and the ps3 may look identical but in fact, the ps3 has been said to have a 54 Gb hard drive and have a removable one too.....
but the 360 will only have a 20 Gb hard drive..... im personally going to get the 360.... comes out in the uk this year around christmas time....
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I haven't even come close to filling up the 'drive on my xbox. Then again I haven't put much music on there, have no games that have customable soundtracks, and don't play live (yet. Hey maybe that will go down in prize and high speed connections will become free! Hurr).
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I've got a 250GB drive in my Xbox, and it's pretty crammed.
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I hear you on that one. I had to clear off games off my 250gb to make room for the Doctor Who episodes! :)
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I store my videos and music on another fileserver, and have it setup under XBMC, so that's taken care of. Just games on the Xbox HD.
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Hard|OCP has a good read on the XBox360 GPU.
The Xbox 360 Smart 3D Memory is a relatively small piece of DRAM sitting off to the side of the GPU but yet on the same substrate. The Smart 3D Memory weighs in at only 10MB. Now the first thing that you might think is, “Well what the hell good is 10MB in the world of 512MB frame buffers?” And that would be a good line of questioning. The “small” 10MB of Smart 3D memory that is currently being built by NEC will have an effective bus rate between it and the GPU of 2GHz. This is of course over 3X faster that what we see on the high end of RAM today.
Inside the Smart 3D Memory is what is referred to as a 3D Logic Unit. This is literally 192 Floating Point Unit processors inside our 10MB of RAM. This logic unit will be able to exchange data with the 10MB of RAM at an incredible rate of 2 Terabits per second. So while we do not have a lot of RAM, we have a memory unit that is extremely capable in terms of handling mass amounts of data extremely quickly. The most incredible feature that this Smart 3D Memory will deliver is “antialiasing for free” done inside the Smart 3D RAM at High Definition levels of resolution. (For more of just what HiDef specs are, you can read here. Yes, the 10MB of Smart 3D Memory can do 4X Multisampling Antialiasing at or above 1280x720 resolution without impacting the GPU. So all of your games on Xbox 360 are not only going to be in High Definition, but all will have 4XAA applied as well.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzcxLDE=
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I think Fallout is forever lost.. Atleast as we knew it.
Bethesda picked up the rights to Fallout, and I think they'll do a pretty damn good job with it if I do say so myself.
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I'm too lazy to make a quote, but to refer to the Game Boy Micro, why buy one, as 1up mentions that it is about the size of a IPOD MINI. And, I took measurements, the original gba SCREEN is the size of an IPOD. Sorry for the caps, but it's neccessary. Not only will this thing be tiny and probably uncomfortable, but no doubt will it also be expensive.
And as for the revolution, Nintendo is catching on, emulation is fun. They're just trying to make people pay for it instead. But, I bet it'll be worth it, for some reason.
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I cannot comment on the Revolution, for nothing of substance has been said. Didn't even have a unit to show, only a concept. Meh. They could have kept quiet about it, but because MS and Sony have something to push, they had to show something, anything. Bah. The GC was not a huge success. Talking about how it has sold 10 million units (ooh) with 60 new games coming out this year (ahh). Sad numbers from them. MS had better numbers to wow people with.
I'm not in sync with Nintendo's vision of gaming, so I doubt I'll ever buy a system from them. Or a DS. I'd take a PSP instead. And a 360 over a Revolution or the PS3.
I didn't read anything after this, but your numbers are nowhere near correct.
Last time I checked (which was last fall or something), the Gamecube had sold ~17 million units in the US while the xbox had sold ~18 million. These figures do not account for sales in Japan, where the xbox fell on its face, and in Europe.
If you are happy with run of the mill shooters and PC ports, the xbox 360 is the place to be. If you want a fresh and unique gaming experience, you need to look towards Nintendo or the PC.
From what I saw at E3, the PS3 looks bad ass. The videos of gameplay footage they showed off blew me away. The only negative thing I have to say about it is that it will probably cost around $500 (estimate figured using the hardware it employees). From what I gathered from their press conference, Microsoft seems very confused right now. They are somehow going to best Sony in sales by expecting "non-hardcore" gamers to lay down $300+ on an xbox 360. That is pretty stupid, and if it isn't their marketing strategy (attracting the wives and girlfriends to the auxillary features of the xbox 360) then they did a pretty terrible job of pushing any other ideas in their conference.
Then there was Nintendo. Didn't say anything about the revolution other than you will be able to download any game ever released for a nintendo home console on it, which is cool, but I can do that with my PC. It is nice to hear them talk about online stuff though. The real action with Nintendo involved the DS. The lineup they are releasing this fall is not only awesome, but online. Mariokart online. Animal Crossing online. It will be sweet.
Even if Nintendo never gets "cool" by producing generic blood baths, they (unlike Sega) will still be able to hold up in a console market. They murder the other console producers in the 13 and under demographic. Just look at the numbers. DS outselling PSP 5:1. GBA/GBA SP being the highest selling console (in units shipped, not gross income) currently on the market. Sooo... I don't remember what point that was leading to, but this year's E3 was way overhyped when you consider the lack of content revealed (on all fronts). Especially when most of this stuff isn't even coming out in the current calendar year. I was reading stories in my local newspaper about E3 for the first time ever. It was ridiculous when only one of the big 3 seemed to be on the verge of prepared to release a console (Sony). Xbox 360 had playable DOA and a lot of in game cut scenes. Whoopity fuckin do.
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Xbox 360 underwhelmed me throughout E3. Revolution, in its mere concept and mystery, is more tantalizing than anything Microsoft managed to crap out. I can get like ninety percent of what they're putting on Xbox 360 on my PC anyway. And Sony has Metal Gear Solid 4, Fight Night Round 3, Killzone 2 and Alan Wake, to name a few awesome games, and the latter three of those games look miles ahead of anything I've seen on the new Xbox.
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@Tartar Martyr: Man you figured $500 on the hardware it will employ? Think about it, that GPU in today' world will cost you well over $1000, as that is what the 512mb 6800ultra is going for, and this trumps it hands down. Thats just the GPU, a cell processor? New technology, all of it new. $500 is probabally round what it will be, but only because its about a year away, and companies take huge losses in order to sell games, whcih they make money on. So to estimate that price based soley on hardware is wayy off. Even the "lowly" xbox360 has tech that isn't in circulation yet.
As for the Nintendo DS vs. PSP, I'd say its just the fan base. Nintendo could shit in a box at this point and it would outsell anything. Have you played each of the two consoles? Do you really in your heart feel that the DS was better? becasue I sure don't. I'll play Infected over sprung any day of the week.
IMHO nintendo should go the way of sega and make games, because they would sell. They havn't even done what they said they've done with the Revolution, engadget took a look at it, and their console, the one they had in their back room, was simply a wighted box, the cd simply *fell* into the slot, nothing inside to catch the disk.
Anyway, I'm open to all 3 consoles, i've made no decisions, I had ruled out the Nintendo, but I miss Duck Hunt, so if its cheap I may just buy one for my little sister. As for the PS3 or XB360, its all about games.
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I feel in my heart that DS is better. The system is worth it for Wario Ware alone.
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I'm buying whatever system the new FFVII is on SO HARD that you have no idea.
they stated they ARENT making it, it was a technical test for the ps3
as for the price of the xbox 360
$499
http://www.evilavatar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2343&
ah evilavatar :)
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Anyone seen any pictures of ports for the PS3? Like if you'll be able to use the standard PS2 controllers?
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If that Gameboy Micro plays old B&W and color carts, I'm definately picking one up. I've got a DS, but no way to play GBC games.
We'll, as far as I know it can only play gba games, no more, no less
I'm too lazy to make a quote, but to refer to the Game Boy Micro, why buy one, as 1up mentions that it is about the size of a IPOD MINI. And, I took measurements, the original gba SCREEN is the size of an IPOD. Sorry for the caps, but it's neccessary. Not only will this thing be tiny and probably uncomfortable, but no doubt will it also be expensive.
I'll give you that its small, but maybe not that small, nor is the orginal gba screen that big (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). IGN has said that while the screen is small, it still works as a gameboy. Two more things. One, it cant be anymore uncomfortable than th GBA Sp, with its buttons all crammed together. Since the GB Micro has them on the sides, I think it will be comforable enough. Item #2 - why would it be expensive? It's 3-4 year old technolgy in a smaller shell. And I can garentee that it will be less than DS.
As for the Nintendo DS vs. PSP, I'd say its just the fan base. Nintendo could shit in a box at this point and it would outsell anything. Have you played each of the two consoles? Do you really in your heart feel that the DS was better? becasue I sure don't. I'll play Infected over sprung any day of the week.
IMHO nintendo should go the way of sega and make games, because they would sell. They havn't even done what they said they've done with the Revolution, engadget took a look at it, and their console, the one they had in their back room, was simply a wighted box, the cd simply *fell* into the slot, nothing inside to catch the disk.
Infected vs. Sprung? Your going to compare two different genres? Anyway, both systems have their merrit and really shouldn't be competeing against each other.
About the Revolution being a weighted box, all of the PS3 movie were pre-renderd(sp), which I believe means there at the same point as Nintendo right now, without a physical working system.
I also shocked that no one has mentioned Nintendo's new controler idea, and how their not saying a damn thing about it to anyone, for fear that the idea will be stolen.
Rant over now.
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Nintendo's patent for new 3D rendering technology (http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bo%20ol.html&r=40&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=Nintendo.AS.&OS=AN/Nintendo&RS=AN/Nintendo)
Nintendo for the win!
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Infected vs. Sprung? Your going to compare two different genres? Anyway, both systems have their merrit and really shouldn't be competeing against each other.
About the Revolution being a weighted box, all of the PS3 movie were pre-renderd(sp), which I believe means there at the same point as Nintendo right now, without a physical working system.
Sorry, I suppose I could compare it to Metroid Prime? I think sprung had more playability (heh, from playing the demo for 30 min or so)
And no I wouldn't quite go as far to say that Nintendo is as far along as Sony or Microsoft, even when MS used a G5 to run their system, and Sony used renderings, they both had working production models (engadget got to mess with both) And Nontendo doesn't have as much as pre-renders.
The fact that they haven't revealed controllers at this point I see as more of a "We're not ready" than a "We're holding out", because there was a time for that, and it was a week ago on the last day of E3.
Ah well, we'll see within the next year I suppose.
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The fact that they haven't revealed controllers at this point I see as more of a "We're not ready" than a "We're holding out", because there was a time for that, and it was a week ago on the last day of E3.
They (Nintendo) told IGN that they already have the controler ready, but didnt want to release it because other companies always steal their ideas.
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weird, I thought that the other two companies already came out with their controllers (or in sony's case a concept)
hmm, interesting
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still have plenty of time to change them though
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The N64 was the first controller to have an analog stick. After it was unveiled that it would have it, Sony and Sega altered their controllers for systems that had already been released to have analog sticks before the N64 even came out.
It happened before, it can happen again.
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One of my friends got a PSP, the graphics it puts out are amazing. The price tag, battery life, and recycled games (outside of lumines... and probably some others that I haven't heard about) turn me off a great deal though. I would prefer to buy a slim PS2 and Katamari Damacy.
The DS gives you games that you cannot play anywhere else. And when it goes online later this year, with titles like Mario Kart and Animal Crossing, to be joined later by Black & White and Nintendogs, I don't think there will be much for these two to compete over. PSP will give you games you can play on your home console in your pocket. The DS will give you a unique set of games you cannot get anywhere else.
As for the Revolution being a weighted box at E3... who cares? They even said the box they showed off would not be the final form of the console in their conference. No game footage, no tech specs, nothing to make the status of the box they were showing off important at all. Their whole secrecy thing has me really excited.