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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: heretic on 25 May 2005, 08:33
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i don't care what you say jeph, jam bands make me happy. 46 days in the hole makes me want to do the hippie dance. i guess it appeals mostly to us hippies though. it helps if you blaze first, course that helps most things...
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jam bands that make me happy : dead ones.
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46 days also makes me very happy. Phish rocks and I cried when it was over. And I'm not a hippie....and I don't do drugs....stop laughing!
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I like this. Saying "I like jam bands" is much better than saying "Jeph is wrong, jam bands are good."
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thanks, i try to think of forums as a place to put your opinion, not a place to tell people thiers are wrong. i too cried when phish kicked the bucket, but better to burn out bright and all that
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i too cried when phish kicked the bucket
I shed tears, too, but they were tears of joy. I really can't stand Phish. They're like a poor photocopy of the Grateful Dead, and the Dead weren't even all that great. People nowadays are obsessed with them just because Jerry Garcia is dead and has an ice cream flavor named after him.
Oh crap, I blasphemed again.
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This thread is much better than the "Jeph is wrong" one. There is a right way and a wrong way to put things
I'm a big fan of jam bands myself. There are a lot of shitty ones out there though. It's sometimes hard to see the wheat for all the chaff.
Basically it comes down to me listening to way too much Phish. I can certainly see them doing a reunion tour in the future. In the mean time I would like to see more independent stuff from Trey, and collaborations, like Oysterhead.
Trey is playing Bonnaroo this year. Along with Modest Mouse, Mouse on Mars, and Jurassic-5, among all the others. Dirty Indhiphoppies (as Jeph put it).
I'm also a bit of a Strangefolk fan. On the other hand, O.A.R. can slarve my dode.
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The Mars Volta.
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Bonnaroo is going to kick so much ass!! i've got an old VW vanagon camper and i'm road trippin from Maryland the 9th, sweet. only bad thing is no string cheese this year, very sad. but it's still gonna kick ass livin out of the van for four days. i guess i'd fall very near to indiehiphoppie except my appreciation of rap (unless the hiphop is in there by accideny) is limited to the good stuff, MF Doom and the Streets are favs.
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The Mars Volta.
Since we seem to be following a trend of accepting people's right to their own opinion....
I disagree with you, I personally do not enjoy The Mars Volta but this in no way means that you cannot enjoy their meaningless twiddling.
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hahahahahahaha
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I really can't stand Phish. They're like a poor photocopy of the Grateful Dead
I disagree quite a bit with this. Like 'em or hate 'em, Phish and the Grateful dead are very different musically. Yes, they both like jamming and drugs and have obsessive hippie fans. But that's about the extent of it. The Grateful Dead were much more feel-good noodling, Phish are much more accross the board, stylistically. Anything from funky jams to ballads to big ol' vaguely classical compositions. While there are definite similarities, calling Phish a "poor photocopy" strikes me as just plain ignorant.
As for my own opinion on jam bands, I really dislike them as a genre. Phish is the only one I've ever been able to get into, and I have to be in the right mood for Phish. But when I am, oh man. Those guys are as talented across the board as Zeppelin* and have more music theory know-how. But they still know when to stop thinking so much and just play. There've got some really good stuff.
*Okay, none of them can sing half as well as Robert Plant. But all of them sing at least a quarter as well.
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I really like the disco biscuits. I have found that people who claim to dislike jam bands often still like the disco biscuits.
Why do so many jam bands have names that sound like food?
-Phish sounds like fish
-String Cheese Incident
-Disco Biscuits
-Leftover Salmon
-Deep Banana Blackout
Anyone got anymore?
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No other examples off the top of my head, but I bet the reason has to dso with the munchies...
WAIT OMG JAM BANDS SMOKE POT WHAT
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yeah, the thing about jam bands is that they play 5 minute songs...but take 15 minutes to do so.
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You know I don't so much mind the Jam Bands. I do think it's cheating to forget the song. I do so much mind the hippies twirling in circles.
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What the hell is a jam band anyway?
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It always annoyed the shit out of me extensively that people mention the genre of a band more often than they mention whether or not a band is good.
In other words, I don't like jam bands. I like music. If music that tickles my fancy at any given moment happens to be the music of a "jam band", power to it. It's just silly though to take an entire chunk of music supposedly in the "jam band" vein and discount it entirely. Not that I'm a big fan of them or anything.
I guess I'm a total hypocrite, though. Haha.
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What the hell is a jam band anyway?
think this:
yeah, the thing about jam bands is that they play 5 minute songs...but take 15 minutes to do so.
i consider jam bands to be an extention from the jazz improv days of the 1960s. sure, if you do the simple intro>verse>chorus>bridge>verse>outro kinda dealy the song should only be 5 minutes but i appreciate and band that can just get lost in the music.
i play saxaphone and have played in a few local jams (and have made guest appearances with non-jam band .. bands if they want to ... well, ... jam for a set).
i've also played ska, jazz, classical, drum and bass, and many experimental type genres but playing with a good group of guys just can't be beat. thats where my weakness for listening to jam bands comes in.
i listen to a lot of Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade, but the guitar jam bands kinda miss my radar.
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I disagree quite a bit with this. Like 'em or hate 'em, Phish and the Grateful dead are very different musically. Yes, they both like jamming and drugs and have obsessive hippie fans. But that's about the extent of it. The Grateful Dead were much more feel-good noodling, Phish are much more accross the board, stylistically. Anything from funky jams to ballads to big ol' vaguely classical compositions. While there are definite similarities, calling Phish a "poor photocopy" strikes me as just plain ignorant.
My interpretation of the Phish-Grateful Dead connection (and this may be wrong, but I'll still put it out there) is that Phish took a lot of the Grateful Dead feel and made it more radio-accessible. Whether or not the musicians in Phish are talented, I think they go beyond being a "logical progession from the Grateful Dead" into biter territory.
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I only skimmed the thread but what czar said plus it seems like musical masturbation; more fun for the players than those listening, at least in my opinion.
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It is more fun for the musicians in a jam (speaking as a musician). The secret I think is if the band can make the themes interesting. And CHANGE shit. I hate jam bands that play based on a really goddam simple theme for their whole half hour songs.
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My interpretation of the Phish-Grateful Dead connection (and this may be wrong, but I'll still put it out there) is that Phish took a lot of the Grateful Dead feel and made it more radio-accessible. Whether or not the musicians in Phish are talented, I think they go beyond being a "logical progession from the Grateful Dead" into biter territory.
Personally, I thought the Grateful Dead were more radio friendly than Phish, and pretty damned generic. Course, I was listening to music that didn't suck.
Although I do have a place in my heart for Jam bands. Somebody mentioned Oysterhead and the Disco Biscuits, which are both phenominal. The Fearless FLying Frog Brigade puts out some good stuff, Allman Brothers are damned fine, Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains is apparently wonderful live. Buckethead Noodles on his geetar for a while in concerts, would that make him a Jam... artist? Cause most of it sounds metal ish. When I saw Primus they went on and on with songs. And I'm sure I'm missing a ton, but whatever.
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yeah man, i like pot too!
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first i'd like to say i'm really happy with the way my first "new thread" has developed. call me a dork or noob or whatever i am, but it was a cyber-ego boost.
while it may be that jam bands are more fun for the musicians, i really like that about them. i feel like with jam bands you can feel the energy coming straight from the musicians so even if it's a small crowd it's easy to get lost in the show. they love what they are doing and you can definatly feel that. not that you can't feel energy at different types of shows, but that energy mostly comes from the band indirectly, through the crowd. i feel like you can tell how most shows in most genres are put on for the crowd, but with jam bands it's more communal, the artists are playing because they want to and if you like it, great! if not, then don't listen and they'll still have a great time.
it is definatly helpful,when trying to appreciate jam bands, to be a musician who has experienced the sublime feeling you get from a really good and satisfying jam. you wind it down,(always after at least 10 minutes MIN.) let the last chord die away then look around with a big dopey grin on your face, see everyone else sporting the same dopey grin, and breath a "yeeaaaah" or a bewildered "damn, that was good"
all i know is i can get lost in a jam band vibe regardless of the people around me more easily than other types of music (this is of course dependent on the band, but i'm speaking in generalities)
P.S. Phish, string cheese, widespread panic are favs. phish was first
P.P.S. sidenote:my uncle was in charge of his college radio station and he wouldn't play phish (an unknown name at the time) cause he thought they sucked. haha
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P.P.S. sidenote:my uncle was in charge of his college radio station and he wouldn't play phish (an unknown name at the time) cause he thought they sucked. haha
your uncle was... probably right.
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no need to get snippy, that contributed nothing to discussion
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other than the last part, (which i'm guessing is in a secret language only you understand) i didn't mind that at all, it wasn't an attack. if you're trying to push my buttons, you missed. give it another shot, i'll wait : )
note: if you add the smily face to the end of any post no one can get mad, it's like that rule in Texas where if you say "bless her heart" or "bless his heart" before, you can say anything thying you want about someone
e.x. "bless his heart, he's so dumb he can't help it."
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"She just can't seem to keep her legs together, bless her heart."
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I enjoy the hell out of a lot of jam bands and that's a very strange thing because I'm not one for recreational drugs stronger than Wild Turkey. :) I think what really gets me about the jam bands that I really dig is their flexibility. Phish and their legendary Halloween concerts instantly come to mind. These days both moe. and Umphrey's McGee stand out to me as groups that carry out this music chameleon act. Just listen to Umphrey's set from last year's Bonnaroo, very solid stuff. I just don't see other groups in more codified genres being able to cover both Talking Heads and Metallica that flawlessly.
I'm also biased because most jam bands have very open policies towards concert taping, and since I dabble in the taping thing I wind up going ot see a lot of jam bands.
-sam
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I'm a huge Phish fan. I'm not a big jam band fan in general, though, because, as said earlier in the thread, I think most jam bands succumb to pointless noodling solos that just go on and on. What set Phish apart from this was the fact that they always tried to improvise as an ensemble and didn't just sit on solos. They were musically interesting and exciting. And I thought that as songwriters, they were offbeat and weird in a way that really appealed to me.
moe., and to a lesser extent, Umphrey's Magee, are the only two jam bands I'm really into these days. Moe. has already put out two albums (Tin Cans and Car Tires; Wormwood) in their career that top anything Phish was able to do in the studio. They really know how to do great song-based albums. Their jamming still falls into the noodling zone a bit too often for me, but the songs make up for it.
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does jon todd count as a jam band?
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Isn't it .moe.? They are pretty cool for being geezer-men.
I never enjoyed Phish but I like The Mars Volta, possibly because their words have enough syllables to justify the song lengths.
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moe., and to a lesser extent, Umphrey's Magee, are the only two jam bands I'm really into these days.
The thing about moe. and Umprhey's McGee, is that they both really just enjoy getting up on stage and jamming out for 2-3 hours a night. It's all just a big joke, Phish also had that sense of irreverance and that's what really sets them apart from the other bands in 'the scene.' Well, that and the fact that SCI just plain sucks these days. ;)
moe. has already put out two albums (Tin Cans and Car Tires; Wormwood) in their career that top anything Phish was able to do in the studio.
I dunno, Picture of Nectar is a really good album, and Hoist has its moments. As far as moe. goes I think Dither is their bestest album, mostly because that "In a Big Country" cover is so devastatingly good.
edit: I saw The Mars Volta open for QOTSA and RHCP, they were the worst noise I have ever heard in my entire life.
-sam
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Aren't TMV neo-prog or progcore or whatever these kids nowadays call it? I don't mean to be rude if they have jam roots (I have very little experience of Jam bands at all apart from all the Les Claypool related stuff that seems to count, <3 Les) But isn't calling TMV a jam band because they noodle about as logical as calling Electric Wizard a jam band because they smoke vast amounts of pot?
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yeah i never thought of The Mars Volta as being a jam band, mostly i just think of them as bad.
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I have trouble with the fact that you like Phish but think Mars Voltais bad. Mainly because that makes me pigeonhole you as a hippie, and hippies make me want to be violent.
Very violent.
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they called me hippie for the first 4 months of college. doesn't bug me. i know who i am and what parts of a hippie i am. the free love, drugs, and laid back happiness are the parts i hope i have. plus i recycle.
why be violent towards hippies? that's like beating the shit out of a kitten that got really stoned and fell asleep in the sun. you know you can do it, but look how happy it is, and it's not hurting you, why fuck up it's world?
plus they can be pretty cute sometimes.
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P.S. i like most geres of music, as long as it's good, from phish to MF Doom to Hot Hot Heat (other thread) to the Real McKenzies (or some punk band you're familiar with if you wanna think of it that way)
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why be violent towards hippies?
I severely dislike hippies because I live somewhere where there are waaaaay too many of them. In my experience, hippies are politically zealous, won't accept other people's political and social views as being equally valid, and are generally unreasonable. I like meat, goddamnit, and I don't really want to put up with a lecture about how animals are our friends every time I try to sit down with a cheeseburger. I don't lecture them about how their tofu is probably grown in the smoldering remains of slash-and-burned rain forest in Columbia right next to their trendy expensive coffee (this is actually 100% true...soy products are bad for the environment).
Plus dreadlocks don't belong on anyone, but especially not upper-middle class white kids pretending to be persecuted. I'm sorry, but there is a reason civilized society invented shampoo....so we don't have to smell other people's hair rotting out of their heads.
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oh oh ohhhhhh, you're talking about the pretentious poser-hippie, new agers with nothing real to worry them. this is entirely different from my definition of hippie.
>i eat meat. LOTS of it. i have many vegitarian or vegan friends but if they were to bug me about eating meat i have serious doubts they would be my friend any longer. i'll eat bunnys at the same table they eat thier tofu salads or whatever.
>soy is not always bad for the enviroment, soy beans are grown in the US as part of a crop rotation cycle, they take very little nutrients from the soil allowing it to replenish enough to be used for corn the next year, instead of having to waste that space for a year and loose all the topsoil to runoff, or clear more land. (but it useually does taste like bland vomit)
>ok, you don't like dreads, but i like them a lot, i think clean dreads are hot a hell on a hippie chick. the common myth that dreads are actually dirty and people with them dont wash their hair is incredibly far from the truth. in fact, if you don't wash your hair you will not be able to grow good dreads, your hair will be greasy and flat, and even if you use the recomended methods for dread building they will slip out over night. in fact, dreads must be kept clean in order to form solidly, they sell special shampoos which clean much more harshly than anything a non-dreadhead might use.
it is true though, many people, once they have built thier dreads, neglect thier maintenance, resulting in dirty, smelly, ugly locks. this is reviled as much by true hippies as but non-hippies. dreads are a commitment.
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BTW jeph, i seem to remember you saying something about not trying to argue with about the merit of jam bands. put your words where your...uh..words are. pipe up kid!
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I am a fan of Les Claypool and his various projects but other then that I don't really think I've heard much considered Jam.
Oh wait, I heard one song by OAR and it was kind of obnoxious. I think.
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yeah well, OAR is lousy (or so I've heard) so don't worry about it.
Tour Wookies (those really dirty hippie types who wander aimlessly in the lot before/during/after a show) are the armpit of society, literally. However, since most of the good jam bands don't look anything like wooks they can't really be tarred with that brush...except for SCI, bunch of freakin' wooks that band.
-sam
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They (OAR) have some song that I guess is about poker and hear it now and then while watching poker.
Wookie is way to awesome of a word for the current yippie. I detest patchuli more then almost anything.
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i will accept wookie as the trash that call themselves hippies but are infinatly less interesting.
i will defend true hippies till i die.
*refer to previous posts with questions on what this is or is not
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Front row at Phish...
(http://www.cosmic-hippo.org/Graphics/front_row_phish.jpg)
I wish I could claim credit for that one, but I can't. Odd how I detest the archetypal jam band fan, but deeply enjoy the bands themselves...
-sam
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ok your definition of wookie probably included a lot of my friends. i will keep my own definition and ignore yours because i like the term. : )
no hard feelings?
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plus, star wars wookies kick mucho ass
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wolf eyes/the punks/black dice are 'jam' bands. i dont really know what differentiates the jam from honest improvisation ('jam.') clarification?
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I am a fan of Les Claypool and his various projects but other then that I don't really think I've heard much considered Jam.
Oh wait, I heard one song by OAR and it was kind of obnoxious. I think.
OAR is the frat boy jam band. They're pretty crappy, but rich frat boys (and other kids who think smoking pot and pretending to be deep is railing against the man) listen to them and think it makes them hippies.
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Aren't TMV neo-prog or progcore or whatever these kids nowadays call it? I don't mean to be rude if they have jam roots (I have very little experience of Jam bands at all apart from all the Les Claypool related stuff that seems to count, <3 Les) But isn't calling TMV a jam band because they noodle about as logical as calling Electric Wizard a jam band because they smoke vast amounts of pot?
Les Claypool is indeed Win. (Also, Check out Buckethead, he's in the sort of area of Claypool.)
And I don't think TMV is a jam band, but I haven't seen them in concert (And don't plan to, really)
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I am a fan of Les Claypool and his various projects but other then that I don't really think I've heard much considered Jam.
Oh wait, I heard one song by OAR and it was kind of obnoxious. I think.
OAR is the frat boy jam band. They're pretty crappy, but rich frat boys (and other kids who think smoking pot and pretending to be deep is railing against the man) listen to them and think it makes them hippies.
well put, frat boy jam band indeed. the biggest OAR fan i know is a frat boy in the frattiest frat at tulane.
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Is he frattier than fratty mcfrat?
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i'd say about 3 popped-collars less fratty that the fratster himself. (everyone knows frattiness is measured in popped-collars, kegs and roofies, or was that one mysogyny? oh well)
P.S. i like the word mysogyny, 3 Y's plus it's fun to say it's like massageny...
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Popped Collars on Polo shirts are worth three popped collars on normal collared shirts.
ALSO: WOO, 600th post!
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I shed tears, too, but they were tears of joy. I really can't stand Phish. They're like a poor photocopy of the Grateful Dead, and the Dead weren't even all that great. People nowadays are obsessed with them just because Jerry Garcia is dead and has an ice cream flavor named after him.
I definetely agree with that one! Phish is terrible!!!! Grateful Dead are ok, but not my type of music. But there is still no way you can compare those two.
As fas as jam bands go, some are alright, but the biggest problem i have is when the songs are like 20 minutes long. Its like, ok we get the idea, you smoke pot and are a hippy and all we need is world peace and everyone to love each other........Yeesh.
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Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains are up there as one of my favorite bands. It really ticks me that they only played 5 or so shows as that outfit before Les Claypool left to do more of his Les Claypooly nonsense. And Buckethead forget that he was in the band. And Brains... what the fuck is with Brains anyways...?
Jam is good. Noise rock is bad. Fuck Wolf Eyes and certainly fuck The Mars Volta. Just because you play long songs, it doesn't make them jams.
PS: How do I get a file from my computer (like a pic) to be my avatar?
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I definetely agree with that one! Phish is terrible!!!! Grateful Dead are ok, but not my type of music. But there is still no way you can compare those two.
As fas as jam bands go, some are alright, but the biggest problem i have is when the songs are like 20 minutes long. Its like, ok we get the idea, you smoke pot and are a hippy and all we need is world peace and everyone to love each other........Yeesh.
c'mon sweetcheeks, we've moved past that, catch on up. : )
you make me want to leap to thier defence again, but this will only lead us in circles and i will not become a tool of your devilry!
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I'm not a huge grateful dead fan at all. I like a few songs, but they just don't really do it for me.
I love Phish though.
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Noise rock is bad.
There are those of us who disagree and can disagree convincingly.
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Just to be geeky for a second, noise rock is a term used for people like Unsane and not Wolf Eyes. Harsh, and not improvised at all, it's very close to hardcore and metal in sound. Wolf Eyes are generally referred to as noise in my experience which is a whole other kettle of fish. Some noise is improvised but a lot isn't, I have a friend who's spent close to a year working on some noise and it's very carefully structured.
I'm actually surprised someone would refer to Wolf Eyes and The Mars Volta as being related like that. Is their new album more interesting then? I might have to give it a listen, I'm pretty fond of Wolf Eyes but the few songs I heard from their first record were in a totally different realm.
If you want to use a pic from your computer as an avatar then host it somewhere like photobucket, that's what I did with mine since I needed to resize the original.
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They're different sides of unrelenting noise rock. But is dislike them both. What they share is taht they attempt to cover their lack of musical talent by slamming on synthesizers and playing too loud for you to think about their music. Noise, like jam band music, is also a hell of a lot more fun for the people making it than those listening. I'd know. I make loud, squeky, high-pitched guitar thrash all the time. Usually my brother beats me up for it. And he is perfectly right to do so. It is annoyin as shit to listen to.
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Depends on your view. I've just been playing some Sickness, Wolf Eyes and Stalingrad's noise stuff and I enjoyed it, and I make no noise myself. And since it's late it was on quiet, so the volume wasn't preventing my enjoying the music. Actually, when I caught Wolf Eyes live it wasn't horrifically loud either, Lightning Bolt afterwards had more volume. I just enjoy brutal, abrasive music. Although actually Wolf Eyes aren't something I find all that Brutal. Very good though.
And like I said, Wolf Eyes aren't noise rock at all, that's the kind of stuff you'd have found on Amphetamine Reptile back in the day. You ever heard 'Scrape' by Unsane? That's noise rock.
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Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains are up there as one of my favorite bands. It really ticks me that they only played 5 or so shows as that outfit before Les Claypool left to do more of his Les Claypooly nonsense. And Buckethead forget that he was in the band. And Brains... what the fuck is with Brains anyways...?
Buckethead probably forgets alot of things. Mostly his name and that he's wearing a bucket.
Also, I do believe the drummer's name is Brian, and they just switched around two letters, hence you get ZOMBIE FOOD.
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Whats with all the hate la creme? If ya don't like noise don't listen to it. Some noise takes skill some noise doesn't. It's not about skill, it's about doing what you want to do, it's about saying what you want to say, inspireing a feeling, building a bridge. A band can be technical as anything and still be rubbish, Whilst there's plenty of punk rock out there with three chords or less that's perfection. You've likely never been to a good noise show and if you did you'd likely hate it. I've never been to a good jam show and I would certainly hate it if I went to one.
I'll declare that I don't know crap about jam bands and yet declare I dislike them and am thus uninformed. Can you say you really know anything about noise? yet you declare that you hate it? Could you take your squeaky guitar thrash up on stage and get people to like it? It's us noise heads who are supposed to be the hateful ones. First noise gig I went to three of us were thrashing around like crazy having the time of our lives whilst the rest of the audience were cowering in the corners, they just didn't get it. I'm never going to say, "Fuck Jam Bands" why should I? I don't hate them, they just suck. Fuck Wolf Eyes? That's a cassette by their friend Mike Connely of Hair Police.
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What they share is taht they attempt to cover their lack of musical talent by slamming on synthesizers and playing too loud for you to think about their music.
People said the same thing about the Clash decades ago. What sounds like noise to you sounds like music to me. What sounds like music to you probably still sounds like noise to my grandparents. Should the tastes of my grandparents dictate what is and isn't music? No. So why should your tastes be considered the standard? Music is anything that uses tone, rhythm, or any perversion of the above. Discordant art prog is still music.
Additionally, they're not "hiding" a lack of talent. These guys are talented, and it shows when they play more traditional tunes. They just aren't satisfied with that...they want to play discordant art prog. There's nothing wrong with playing music you want to play. Playing something more ear/radio-friendly because that's what you're expected to play isn't what you OR I would call "good musicianship"...I think we can both agree that's what's called "selling out."
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i don't know much about noise rock and don't claim to. i just want to point something out here real quick.
be careful of judging peoples arguments as unfounded because they don't know much about a genre they don't like. they don't know all that much about it because they don't like it and have no reason to. IMO it is better to counter thier opinion with one of your own in order to sway them, not attack them or say that thier argument isn't valid. noone here claims to be the difinative authority on music, and certainly not on genres they don't like. all we all do is voice our own opinion and just because we don't say IMO every post doesn't mean anyone is trying to say that others are straight up wrong. music taste is subjective and i think everyone knows this, otherwise there would just be a big reference guide with all the music ever created objectively scored in labratories. damn that would suck.
P.S. this isn't in response to any particular post, just a friendly reminder so no one needs to get defensive :)
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To drag this back on topic and away from defences of lovely lovely noise (which I think has been done more than adequately)... I wonder why it is that the UK has imported vast amounts of musical phenomena from the US over the years, but not jam bands? From what people are saying it seems this stuff is pretty popular, but I'm still not even sure what these bands sound like (which I shall rectify by downloading some of the people mentioned).
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Alot of the American jam bands rarely tour abroad. Since they don't have much of a media presence it's hard to build a fan base without constant touring, which is pretty cost-prohibitive for an American band to do in Europe, especially when there's good money to be made playing gigs in North America.
If you're interested I recommend hitting up The Llama (http://www.archive.org/audio/etree.php), most of the big name jam bands have allowed their concert recordings to be hosted there, not to mention a lot of "no names." Check it out.
-sam
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OAR is the frat boy jam band. They're pretty crappy, but rich frat boys (and other kids who think smoking pot and pretending to be deep is railing against the man) listen to them and think it makes them hippies.
Ah ha. A quick search of the inertnets reveal the song that grates on my nerves is "That Was a Crazy Game of Poker."
Hurk.
"O.A.R. (aka Of a Revolution) converted from an Ohio State frat band to Billboard chartbuster and headliner at major venues across America."
Also learned is a band I like, Medeski Martin & Wood, is lumped in with jam bands on yahoo music.
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A neatish 'jam band' is submission hold.
Though I wouldn't really call them a 'jam band' what they do is super neat.
Their latest ceedee 'what holds back the elephant' has an example of what they do.
They improvise!!!
Which I guess technically jamming, but they just start playing a song and watch each other intently and feel it all...and there is lyrics!
In the song the pretty lady singer thing just sings out a list of items found in a time capsule somewhere in BC I think from like 1994.
Its pretty rad.
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Have you heard The Din? It's basically Submission Hold without Jen doing improvised music, they opened up when I saw them in Amsterdam a few years back. But from what I can tell it's pretty different from what these kinds of bands are doing.
Oh yeah, and Pool Cleaner are worth keeping an eye out for as well. They're also improvised and feature Submission Hold's former flute player. She does some great stuff looping her flute, the whole band create some really powerful atmospheres. It's a shame she's not on that last Submission Hold record.
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Although I'm not normally into "jam bands" I do have a soft spot in my heart for the Allman Brothers since it was practically the only thing I heard growing up thanks to my ABB fanatic dad.