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Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Lalaladida on 05 Jun 2005, 02:21
Ok, so if people want to listen to records, that's fine, I don't really care.

I just have one question: WHY???


I just don't understand it at all. Maybe people who listen to them like big things, and they are bigger than CDs? Maybe they stay at home all day or don't like to listen to music the car, or when they're walking? Nostalgia? Like the crackling noises over the music when they get a bit old?


Plus, with CDs, you can put them on your computer and it's very convenient a lot of the time.

I listen to my parents' old records sometimes, but just because it would be a hassle to get them on CD. I don't think they sound better or anything.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: yipjumpmusic on 05 Jun 2005, 02:48
bigger cover art?  Hmm...the singles that are only available on vinyl like pinback's todo.  ...and yes, also the non logical, neato factor that throws out practical reasoning.  Hmm maybe others can explain better cause I don't feel like going beyond that now.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: KharBevNor on 05 Jun 2005, 02:55
Oddly enough, metal has never really had a vinyl culture. I blame it on the fact that most smaller metal labels live off international orders, and CD's and tapes are just so much more convenient to mail without getting destroyed.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: MilkmanDan on 05 Jun 2005, 04:00
Because they are fucking cool.
Duh.

Also, I'm a DJ, so records have many rather large advantages over CDs. And yes, you can get CD DJ Decks, and no, they're not as good.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: yipjumpmusic on 05 Jun 2005, 04:56
Also some will say something like it has a warmer sound but it is just not as good in quality (though I must mention I have 3 record players so don't think I am against records)....wait...this sounds familiar, I think there was a thread on this before
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: muffy on 05 Jun 2005, 05:19
Quote from: MilkmanDan
Because they are fucking cool.
Duh.

Also, I'm a DJ, so records have many rather large advantages over CDs. And yes, you can get CD DJ Decks, and no, they're not as good.

Haha....ditto, but I now prefer CD, largely because I have such shoddy equipment in the clubs that it's a lot more likely that something will bugger up on the vinyl front than with CDs.
Also, CDs are a lot easier to replace, although there is that little tingly feeling I get when I have a 12" of an album I love, like I own it properly. Not sure why...
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: a pack of wolves on 05 Jun 2005, 05:30
There are a few reasons. For a start, vinyl art allows for a lot more scope and is usually better than CDs and I'm quite a fan of record artwork. Although this doesn't apply to 5" vinyl. When it comes to 7"es, when those releases are on CD it seems like there's a lot of wasted space to me which always seems strange like the record is incomplete in some way, I prefer them on vinyl where they fill what space is available. And vinyl makes for two distinct sides to a record. A good example of this is GYBE's 'Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven' which works much better on vinyl in my opinion. There's one track per side rather than two per CD, which breaks them up and gives them more impact for me. Those breaks caused by having to flip the vinyl over change the listening experience of any record quite a lot. And I like the whole ritual of playing records, as well as the fact that the vinyl itself quite apart from the artwork is a much nicer object than a CD, which will never look and feel as good as a big thick slab of Shellac wax.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Kai on 05 Jun 2005, 07:56
I personally like vinyl because personally, it's just a much more involved experience than a cd, what with the taking it out of the case, putting it on, cleaning it, putting down the needle, etc. And, although it's actually lower quality, it just sounds nicer to me. Course, it helps that most of my music sounds good with a little fuzz. And some of the music I listen to is hard to find on cd, but the two record stores near me actually carry it. Also, the only cd stores around here are the chainish stores like Sam Goody and CD Warehouse and don't carry what I need either. Bleh.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: La Creme on 05 Jun 2005, 11:06
Most great jazz is only available on vinyl. That which isn't sounds better on vinyl. Plus, it's a bitch to listen to satanic messages and/or sped up Oingo Boingo on CD. If you have it, listen to "Grey Matter" by Oingo Boingo on a higher speed. That and "Whole Day Off".
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Johnny C on 05 Jun 2005, 12:56
I dunno why vinyls are popular; I guess the reasons above are pretty good. I just like them because there are some albums that you can't find on CD easily that pop up in thrift stores on vinyl all the time - for some reason, Thriller's pretty common.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Signum_Tenebrae on 05 Jun 2005, 13:00
Quote from: KharBevNor
Oddly enough, metal has never really had a vinyl culture.


You think so?  Metal has lots of vinyl nerds.

Plenty of stuff is released on vinyl only, especially in the black metal genre.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Revenge_Therapist on 05 Jun 2005, 13:03
Only good music comes out on vinyl anymore. None of that pesky platic case stuff, and as far as portability goes I have a PC and an Ipod. Vinyl is fo rmy collection.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Signum_Tenebrae on 05 Jun 2005, 13:07
Personally I'm not into vinyl.  I never really saw any advantages of it over CDs or digital media.

The only reason people I know get vinyl is either because it's only available on vinyl (but this will eventually get ripped onto the internet anyway) or they are just collectors who want bragging rights about how kvlt their collection is.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: -sam on 05 Jun 2005, 13:14
I'm personally not into vinyl at all, just a little too young to have invested anything into the media, however i do get what the vinyl-o-philes claim.  The digitization of those nice, smooth sound waves can be harsh.

-sam
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Robbo on 05 Jun 2005, 13:28
Yeah, in a low bitrate with a crappy ripping format and a low quality soundcard. Which is what happens in a lot of tests between these things.

I dont see the point, I'd only own stuff for bragging rights, but I dont really do that, so there's no point. And I'm not into ultra Kvlt Black Metal for limited vinyl only stuff to be an issue to me.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Signum_Tenebrae on 05 Jun 2005, 13:49
Some of my favorite stuff is released only on vinyl, which kind of sucks since I will probably not ever buy the actual record. . but I have it all in MP3 which is nice.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: a pack of wolves on 05 Jun 2005, 16:22
A lot of my favourite stuff only gets vinyl releases too, since it's not popular enough to warrant two separate releases and a lot of people into hardcore and DIY rock really prefer vinyl. And since I really like lyrics and they're often undecipherable, and I play CDs and records far more than CDs (for one thing I can't afford an okay stereo and decent computer speakers) a record player is something of a necessity.

As for metal and vinyl fetishism, two words: Southern Lord.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Inlander on 05 Jun 2005, 16:28
Quote from: La Creme
Most great jazz is only available on vinyl.


Whoa, hang on, what the fuck?!  Would you care to qualify that statement, La Creme, by explaining what you consider to be "great" jazz?  The jazz- reissue industry is insanely active at the moment - I have several hundred jazz C.D.s, including a very healthy chunk of what I would consider to be the greatest jazz recordings ever made - Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Charles Mingus, Lester Young . . . etc, etc.  And each of them are direct reissues of original vinyl albums.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: godbowstomath on 05 Jun 2005, 17:33
Because they:
-fucking sound better
-fucking last longer
-are fucking easier to keep arranged
-are fucking cooler in general
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: inemnitable on 05 Jun 2005, 18:29
there's something about vinyl and debussy... they just go hand in hand.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: salada on 05 Jun 2005, 18:38
my reasons:

- it's cheap! (markets and op-shop stuff, at least)
- it has (good, big) cover art!
- that crackly hiss when you first put the needle down, just before the music starts
- my housemate's duke ellington collection
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Kai on 05 Jun 2005, 18:47
Quote from: Inlander


Whoa, hang on, what the fuck?!  Would you care to qualify that statement, La Creme, by explaining what you consider to be "great" jazz?  The jazz- reissue industry is insanely active at the moment - I have several hundred jazz C.D.s, including a very healthy chunk of what I would consider to be the greatest jazz recordings ever made - Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Charles Mingus, Lester Young . . . etc, etc.  And each of them are direct reissues of original vinyl albums.


For every good jazz album on cd, there's about 190 on vinyl. Just ask These guys. (http://www.musicexchangekc.com) So much jazz on vinyl, you can't even listen to it all. I'm not kidding.


Also, the owner of that store is an amazing guy.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Inlander on 05 Jun 2005, 19:35
Sure, but the rate at which jazz is reissued on C.D. is phenomenal.  And I'd argue that most of the truly great recordings are pretty easily available now - often in several different forms (for better or for worse).  Also, for a lot of the old recordings - Bix Beiderbecke, early Louis Armstrong, etc. - the sound quality on the recent C.D. reissues is unbelievable.  Just listen to Columbia's reissue of its Charlie Christian recordings.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Kai on 05 Jun 2005, 20:06
Well that's great to hear that Jazz is being put onto cd. The only problem is, the cd stores around here carry little other than the more mainstream of music, which doesn't tend to have much of a jazz section, and I rarely buy things online. So if I want jazz, I usually have to get it on vinyl.


Also, Miles Davis rocks my socks.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: BusterKeaton on 05 Jun 2005, 20:15
First off whoever started the post (too lazy to check) im presuming to be a younger person, Vinyl will never die because,
1-Its cool, referencing and owning music on such an old format makes it sound like you have historian-like musical knowledge
2-The sound, im not gonna start the analogue/digital debate. But i sincerely like the sound of vinyl, Its just warm and more broad not so filtered and overly perfect.
3-The content, Despite best efforts there are some rare classics that will never see a cd release but if you dig around you might just find that classic album youve been looking for.

Vinyl promotes a love for music in many ways,
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Kai on 05 Jun 2005, 20:27
That and you can pick up an entire box of em for like, 5 bucks. Sure, there may be only a few good ones, but you can always bring them to the record store and sell em to them.

Or at least I can. Being 4 minutes from the Midwest's largest music store. See link above. Totally awesome store.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: El Opium on 05 Jun 2005, 20:29
I just find that old albums and certain kinds of music sound better on vinyl. Stuff that's heavily produced and/or recorded on digital equiptment sounds fine on CD but there are so many things that just aern't right. Indie, punk and experimental stuff that's recorded on low track tape equiptment just isn't meant for the CD. In a way its kind of hard to explain, I have some records were I'm really happy I got the LP and a couple I think would sound just fine on CD. There are also so many CD re-issues out there that haven't been properly mastered for digital or just sound outright bad. Plus I also enjoy hunting vinyl, making a good find in a thrift store or dusky old record shop is certainly nice.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: El Opium on 05 Jun 2005, 20:31
I just find that old albums and certain kinds of music sound better on vinyl. Stuff that's heavily produced and/or recorded on digital equiptment sounds fine on CD but there are so many things that just aern't right. Indie, punk and experimental stuff that's recorded on low track tape equiptment just isn't meant for the CD. In a way its kind of hard to explain, I have some records were I'm really happy I got the LP and a couple I think would sound just fine on CD. There are also so many CD re-issues out there that haven't been properly mastered for digital or just sound outright bad. Plus I also enjoy hunting vinyl, making a good find in a thrift store or dusky old record shop is certainly nice.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Inlander on 05 Jun 2005, 20:46
You can do the hunting thing with C.D.s as well, though.  I was very excited when I finally managed to track down a copy of Charlie Parker's Savoy recordings.

(Yeah, I know, you can get the store to order C.D.s for you - I just like hunting around, it's so much more fun!)
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Kai on 05 Jun 2005, 20:50
Hunting around does make things much more satisfying.


Also, The Residents (Possibly my favorite band ever) Sound massively better on vinyl than on cd, in my opinion.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: trill on 05 Jun 2005, 21:05
I think I'm mainly into records for the experience of it.

I don't buy new music as records, unless that's the only way you can get it. It wasn't made to be on a record, and it doesn't sound like it was. But old music... I'm never going to see these bands live, and records feel like the next best thing.
I'll sit on the floor, put on my dad's massive 1970s headphones, and just listen. I love all the little pops and crackles. It feels more real, like humans actually made this music. It doesn't sound insanely produced, like most CDs do, to me.
Glass records make me insanely happy, too, although I'm kind of scared to touch them.

Also, between my dad's record collection and what I got from my neighbor when his dad died, it would be incredibly expensive/impossible to get CDs of everything. And I'm on 56k, so downloading is out.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Kai on 05 Jun 2005, 21:08
Aye. My dad has at least 900 records, and so that also tends to add in to the "Why I listen to vinyl" argument.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: KharBevNor on 05 Jun 2005, 21:13
Quote from: Signum_Tenebrae

You think so?  Metal has lots of vinyl nerds.

Plenty of stuff is released on vinyl only, especially in the black metal genre.


Well then, metal in the UK has never had a vinyl culture. Or at least, it doesn't today. Seriously, I go to a reasonable amount of small and medium shows, never any vinyl. The American 'scene' is, for want of a word, a whole different kettle of fish, so I suppose I shouldn't have spoken.

:p lots more geeks and kvltists over there.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Signum_Tenebrae on 05 Jun 2005, 21:17
plus better BM bands.  :P
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: KharBevNor on 05 Jun 2005, 21:28
WTF DUDE WE HAVE CRADLE  AND BAL-SAGOTH!!11!1!
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Signum_Tenebrae on 05 Jun 2005, 21:32
Quote from: KharBevNor
WTF DUDE WE HAVE CRADLE  AND BAL-SAGOTH!!11!1!


Don't forget Hecate Enthroned!
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: KharBevNor on 05 Jun 2005, 21:44
Didn't you hear? They got lost in the woods trying to be grim.

Anyway! We have loads of awesome black metal bands. Like, er, Akercocke, Goatvomit666, Orc, and December Moon!

Yeah...

-_-

Actually, we do have Anaal Nathrakh. They're pretty good.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Signum_Tenebrae on 05 Jun 2005, 21:47
Anaal is decent..  A lot of people hype them up wayyy too much though.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: KharBevNor on 05 Jun 2005, 22:01
Yeah, they're big over here....managed to score a really odd semi-mainstream success. Pretty much everyone's at least heard of them, been in Kerrang! and all. So, people overhype them because they don't have enough to compare them to.

Though, what's that song by them, starts with a guy rasping 'JESUS WEPT', that's a real good song.


Oh yeah, and, uh vinyl.

Yahr.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Johnny C on 05 Jun 2005, 22:30
Quote from: KharBevNor
Didn't you hear? They got lost in the woods trying to be grim.

Khar this is probably the funniest thing I've read on these forums all weekend.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: KharBevNor on 05 Jun 2005, 22:35
It is not as funny as Hecate Enthroned's music videos.

Though they are not a patch on the sheer damn genius of 'Call of the Wintermoon'. That video surpasses all mortal comprehension. Oh sweet fuck, the wizards hat!
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Signum_Tenebrae on 05 Jun 2005, 23:05
the wizard hat ist fucking krieg!!!
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Inlander on 05 Jun 2005, 23:08
Look at that!  One of those old-fashioned vinyl records, how quaint!
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Signum_Tenebrae on 06 Jun 2005, 10:57
back on topic about vinyl..

I almost bought a Bathory vinyl the other day, just so I could be cool.  it was "Under The Sign of the Black Mark"
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: ForteBass on 06 Jun 2005, 11:04
Quote from: BusterKeaton
1-Its cool, referencing and owning music on such an old format makes it sound like you have historian-like musical knowledge


No... it means you own records. It's not historian-like, and cool is debateable. Personally, I don't own a record player anymore. If I did, then I'd buy records, simply so I could use the thing and not have it be a waste of space.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: deborah on 06 Jun 2005, 11:35
because slint and shellac told me to.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: a pack of wolves on 06 Jun 2005, 14:14
Good answer. Actually, Shellac are one of the only bands I'll only buy on vinyl. I normally make my decision based on what's cheapest, but with Shellac I'd pay extra for wax.
Title: Blistering retort
Post by: BusterKeaton on 06 Jun 2005, 19:16
Quote from: ForteBass
Quote from: BusterKeaton
1-Its cool, referencing and owning music on such an old format makes it sound like you have historian-like musical knowledge


No... it means you own records. It's not historian-like, and cool is debateable. Personally, I don't own a record player anymore. If I did, then I'd buy records, simply so I could use the thing and not have it be a waste of space.


Thank you for pointing out the obvious, Think out your argument before you post.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: ForteBass on 06 Jun 2005, 23:40
Let me rephrase my argument. Owning records does not make you cool. Owning records does not give you historian-like appeal. Owning records means you own some fucking records. Do you see?
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Inlander on 06 Jun 2005, 23:53
Wait, Chuck, one more time - I don't quite understand yet!
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: jeremy on 07 Jun 2005, 01:09
What's with the unecessary "the" in the subject?

Anyway...I like records, but arguments amounting to "ooo, look! bigger artwork!" don't fly with me, 'cos I don't care about any of that stuff. Aesthetics are for people who don't actually like music. :p

I guess I will follow the argument of some others in this thread that very little music has or will ever be re-released on cd. Of course, a lot has and will, but in that case I have to ask: why should I buy it again if its not convenient for me to do so? Isn't that what this is supposed to be about in the first place? I take care of my records and stereo equipment. I don't need or want some remastered, remixed and digitized version of an album that sounds just fine on the record I've had for the past 10 years.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: normz on 07 Jun 2005, 03:33
Playing reords just feels so much more personal ....... The whole idea of gently placing the needle on the record and turning it over and being able to see it spin around and around is really cool. I guess it's just a part of my childhood too as my mother has a collection of close to 3000 records and all which she always used to play (still does but not to such a degree as she has cd's now .... all 700 of them) so in a way i think i connect records with sentimental memories from when i was little
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: MilkmanDan on 07 Jun 2005, 04:39
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/waxploitation/records.jpg)

mmm...
Records.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Kai on 07 Jun 2005, 06:55
I like the makeshift table.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: MilkmanDan on 07 Jun 2005, 08:39
Yup. That's craftsmanship, that is. It was sagging like a bitch until that lovely support you can see between the record boxes came and saved the day. Now it's great. A bit low, but it does the job.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: salada on 07 Jun 2005, 20:31
look, nobody cares that you're a dj (http://blaggblogg.blogspot.com/2005/04/look-nobody-cares-that-youre-dj.html).




i'm not being serious. just that this guy seems to be pretty on the money as far as a lot of djs go. but you seem to have good taste in music and know about stuff. actually this whole post was just an excuse to post that link, and i have a nasty habit of disclaiming myself too much.




sigh.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Kai on 07 Jun 2005, 20:37
That was actually the funniest thing I've read in the past ten minutes.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: KharBevNor on 07 Jun 2005, 20:48
I laughed out loud at 'Angry Hip Hop DJ'
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: zekterellium on 08 Jun 2005, 11:46
that 'nobody cares yr a dj' thing was one of the stupidest things i ever read. the guy writing it knows he only has one good point so he repeats it over and over and over again. what a loser.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Kai on 08 Jun 2005, 16:55
Man, first the "You Have Bad Taste In Music" thread and now this. Seriously, you crazy indie kids need to learn to TAKE A FUCKING JOKE.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: jeremy on 08 Jun 2005, 17:32
Do people really worship DJs? That's just sad.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Inlander on 08 Jun 2005, 17:39
Never underestimate the power of mind-altering substances.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: El Opium on 08 Jun 2005, 18:25
I didn't like that DJ thing either. 'everything sucks but especially you' humor like that guy uses may be a joke but its a bad one that makes the teller look like way more of an arse than his target.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: KharBevNor on 09 Jun 2005, 02:37
Quote from: Kai
Man, first the "You Have Bad Taste In Music" thread and now this. Seriously, you crazy indie kids need to learn to TAKE A FUCKING JOKE.


OMG INDEI SUXZ

OMG WAIT THAT WASN'T FUNNY MORE...
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: Kai on 09 Jun 2005, 07:25
U R ARROGANT HOW WULD U LIEK IT IF SUM1 CAME UP 2 U AND SAID EVERYTHIN U LIEK SUCKS
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: salada on 09 Jun 2005, 07:33
Quote from: El Opium
I didn't like that DJ thing either. 'everything sucks but especially you' humor like that guy uses may be a joke but its a bad one that makes the teller look like way more of an arse than his target.


yeh, i agree. although i still think he's right about a lot of people who call themseleves dj's. reading through some of his other stuff, his humour gives me the shits. but still, his point remains valid.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: MilkmanDan on 09 Jun 2005, 08:00
Eh. The article was alright. Could have been funnier though.
Title: What's with the records?
Post by: happybirthdaygelatin on 09 Jun 2005, 14:41
Quote from: MilkmanDan
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y177/waxploitation/records.jpg)

mmm...
Records.


Oh man, is that a Headshots poster kind of between the decks?