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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: MyLordIsInfinite on 19 Aug 2005, 11:42
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You know I really don't care what anyone says to the contrary, From Autumn to Ashes is a great band and their name is awesome. THey have a little bit of everything to satisfy even the most nit-picky music snobs. Anyways I just wanted to say that cause I was going through the archives and came upon the strip where Faye and Marten were bashing them for their band name. Anyways later you indie peoples.
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Nuh-uhhhhh.
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Not enough to satisfy me.
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i like some bands of that vein ...but not many, not familiar with their music but they're at leeds festival next week so maybe il give them a watch
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i think they suck terribly. why start a thread about something if you don't really want to talk about it?
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ha.. hahaha.. haahahahahahahahahahahaha..... ha.
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Haven't been good since 'Too Bad You're Beautiful', with the possible exception of 'The After Dinner Payback'.
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I like FATA. They're a like Hawthorne Heights.
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Saw them for the first time Wed at the 9:30 Club in DC.
And, I must say, I was much tempted to punch their singing drummer repeatedly until he'd JUST STOP GODDAMN SINGING...
However, Rise Against came on shortly after, and did an amazing 3-song encore, so I was happy.
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I like FATA. They're a like Hawthorne Heights.
For the life of me, I can't work out the logic of that.
;)
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Compare Ohio is for Lovers and Short Stories With Tragic Endings. Then you'll see.
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I'm not a very big fan of From Autumn To Ashes. The name is so... stupid. I'm still trying to associate "Autumn" and "Ashes," other than it just sounding interesting together. I'm not going to get into their music... it's okay, but definitely not a band I would buy a CD for.
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Their only two good songs were Chloroform Perfume, and Autumn's Monologue. And that was because it was some decent music instead of all that crappy baseless screaming.
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Compare Ohio is for Lovers and Short Stories With Tragic Endings. Then you'll see.
It's not the second half I was finding fault with
;)
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Oh. From Autumn To Ashes is nice. I like them. I dunno why...
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No. Bad emo. Bad, bad emo.
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No, I'm good. I'm good! *eyes fill with tears* Why am I bad? I want to be good! *breaks down and weeps* I want to be good! Why? Why am I bad??
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Because you are an accurate reflection of your musical taste.
Buuuuuuurn
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HOLYCRAPI'MONFIRE! *rolls around*
Seriously though...FATA is good, like Hawthorne Heights, and Atreyu.
And Dashboard Confessional...
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Well yes they are like Hawthorne Heights, which I also like intensely. They are both of the informal genre "screamo" along with bands such as Thursday, Hopesfall, etc. which I like as well.
The drummer singing is integral guys, it adds to their little self-proclaimed "band with an indentity crisis"-ness. I think they are an excellent band. Plus their name is pretty freakin cool to me.
Atreyu freakin rocks guy, I have to agree with you there.
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I... just... what the hell?
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You just what the hell? Huh?
SPEAK SLOWLY AND CLEARLY INTO THE CACTUS *hold a small potted cactus up to Bass*
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I like From Autumn to Ashes. I don't usually go for screamo or hardcore, but I dig them besides. Sounds good to me.
To RawrXSkittles: I'm the only one allowed to reference Deerhoof in a sig.
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I would like to clarify: above, I was speaking to From Autumn To Ashes.
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Well yes they are like Hawthorne Heights, which I also like intensely. They are both of the informal genre "screamo" along with bands such as Thursday, Hopesfall, etc. which I like as well.
The drummer singing is integral guys, it adds to their little self-proclaimed "band with an indentity crisis"-ness. I think they are an excellent band. Plus their name is pretty freakin cool to me.
Atreyu freakin rocks guy, I have to agree with you there.
wow, I don't even know where to start. I've learned to not let shit get me worked up, but really, seriously, I can't help pointing out that despite what Hot Topic and Alternative Press tell you, none of those bands are anywhere near screamo.
hint- if it has any cleanly sung parts, it's not screamo. if it sounds like it was actually recorded in a studio, it's probably not screamo.
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Also: Hawthorne Heights is possibly one of the most agonizing bands I've ever had to listen to a song by. It was fucking horrible.
And reading Alternative Press gives the reader an effect very similar to genital herpes.
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Wtf is Alternative Press?
Dude your ideals of screamo are too close to hardcore death metal, screamo is supposed to have some clear vocals and then someone screaming their fucking lungs out, thats what its all about man.
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Can someone explain why songs with people screaming in them are considered music? I honestly don't get how you can find something so obviously aurally(is that a word?) grating to be tuneful.
This goes for all shouty music.
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And reading Alternative Press gives the reader an effect very similar to genital herpes.
Except it comes with a nasty rash to boot.
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Wtf is Alternative Press?
Dude your ideals of screamo are too close to hardcore death metal, screamo is supposed to have some clear vocals and then someone screaming their fucking lungs out, thats what its all about man.
Alternative Press is the worst magazine ever.
And mistaking screamo for death metal is not possible. ever. Screamo = screaming. Not the growling of death metal. Also, death metal actually doesn't suck shit. Unless it's Morbid Angel. fuck those guys.
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Eh? i thought hawthorne heights was american pop music?
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Dude your ideals of screamo are too close to hardcore death metal, screamo is supposed to have some clear vocals and then someone screaming their fucking lungs out, thats what its all about man.
How about no? Go buy some Orchid records, please. That's where screamo came from.
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Eh? i thought hawthorne heights was american pop music?
Yeah. it's also really shitty, whiny, and has really bad lyrics.
SO CUT MY WRISTS AND BLACK MY EYES
SO I CAN FALL ASLEEP TONIGHT, OR DIE
BECAUSE U KILL ME
YOU KNOW YOU DO, U KILL ME WELL
YOU LIKE IT TO AND I CNA TELL
Infact, I declare that song the national anthem of myspace. Fucking myspace.
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Can someone explain why songs with people screaming in them are considered music? I honestly don't get how you can find something so obviously aurally(is that a word?) grating to be tuneful.
This goes for all shouty music.
I think harsh vocals can be intensely beautiful. The emotional intensity that can be conveyed is incredible. For example, Burzum's 'Ea, Lord of the Deeps'...the lyrics are a fucking D&D monster book description with atocious grammar. In Ewigkeit's version, which has clean singing, Jim Fogarty actually has to almost mock the song to make it enjoyable, with pirate background vocals poking fun at the lyrics (Oooh! You're really scarin' me now! Aharr!) However, in the original, the words are simply not important. It is the sheer power and intensity of Varg's distant, unearthly screams, which communicate rage, despair, anguish and hatred to an extent that very few poets or lyricists could ever reach.
Tunefulness is of course a wildly subjective matter, and deserves it's own website, let alone post or thread.
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I'm still at a loss to figure out what screamo is. I've heard a lot of post-hardcore (ATDI, Blood Brothers, BearvsShark, etc) described as "screamo" and that's just bullshit.
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From what I gather, what people call "screamo" is pretty well today's emo with extra screaming and extra distorted instruments. Like Alexisonfire, FATA. Calling it screamo is wrong though. I think people hear the word, and figure its just the mix scream and emo...because the music is emo with extra screaming? I don't know. [/ramble]
I don't get why people call post hardcore screamo though. That one escapes me.
Harsh vocals are good, when used appropriately. A lot of people can't see the emotion in it though.
I like Hawthorne Heights, but I cannot stand their lyrics sometimes. Ohio has horrible lyrics. I don't like FATA. Bleh. They get kinda boring.
I tried to stay on topic. :)
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I don't get why people call post hardcore screamo though. That one escapes me.
Because they are idiots? I dunno, but there is little to no emo in the classic ATDI albums (mainly social/political commentary when you can pull apart the lyrics), Blood Brothers (mainly social critique as well as critique of certain types of individuals), or BearvsShark (critique of satisfaction with the suburban lifestyle, among other things). Trail of Dead, if they're post-hardcore, are sometimes a little emo-ey, but there's also a lot of social commentary in many of their songs as well. So yeah. Screamo is not equivalent to post-hardcore. People are stupid.
Harsh vocals are good, when used appropriately. A lot of people can't see the emotion in it though.
Harsh vocals can be VERY effective. And not just for conveying anger. Examples abound, but I find a lot of screaming often can convey a particular feeling of desperation that is difficult to convey otherwise (there is a difference between quiet, controlled desperation a la My Bloody Valentine and screaming, chaotic desperation a la Jawbreaker, for example).
A lot of people are just put off by discord in general, which is why harsh vocals (like harsh guitars, bass, drums, or whatever) are often shunned by your law-abiding, tax-paying, puppy-dog-petting Coldplay fans. But fuck that shit. Life isn't always melodic and symphonic, and discordant rock (be it hardcore, discordant post-punk, post-hardcore, various kinds of metal, screamcore, or whatever) reflects that both lyrically and musically. And isn't that the point? Music is supposed to convey a feeling, emotion, or idea, and the idea that all is not well in the world is just as valid (if not more valid) as the idea that we should send Chris Martin more money.
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Music is supposed to convey a feeling, emotion, or idea, and the idea that all is not well in the world is just as valid (if not more valid) as the idea that we should send Chris Martin more money.
If biology would permit me, I would bear your child for that statement alone.
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You just gained 20 cool points over the "omg coldplay is good stop bashing them" posse.
That puts you at....well, 1 cool point.
You've got to start somewhere, I guess.
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You just gained 20 cool points over the "omg coldplay is good stop bashing them" posse.
That puts you at....well, 1 cool point.
You've got to start somewhere, I guess.
I wonder how far you would get if you couldn't type Coldplay or Chris Martin.
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Last time I checked, Interpol were still just as uninspired and insipid.
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heh, touché.
As far as screaming being a good way to convey an emotion, I'm with you. Screaming is a great way to show how much feeling you have behind words.
And so on, and so on, and scooby doobie doobie
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Not just amount. I mean, I wouldn't say that, say, At the Drive In have more feeling than, say, The Arcade Fire. But there's a sense of urgency and chaos and searing unbearable pain in Napoleon Solo that you're not going to find in anything by the Arcade Fire. That's all.
Different feelings come with different vocal styles. I hope that makes sense.
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sp2: Ease off on the Coldplay/Interpol/whatever-band-you-think-is-uninspired-today-bashing, hey? We don't necessarily like whatever band you're talking about, but that doesn't mean you have to cross the line and call anything shitty; nobody's opinion is going to change if you say "YOUR MUSIC SUCKS," they'll just be irritated with you. Keep it civil. Yes, it's possible. No, don't argue! Don't you click that "quote" button!
I'LL TURN THIS CAR AROUND, MISTER
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I dunno, but there is little to no emo in the classic ATDI albums (mainly social/political commentary when you can pull apart the lyrics), Blood Brothers (mainly social critique as well as critique of certain types of individuals), or BearvsShark (critique of satisfaction with the suburban lifestyle, among other things). Trail of Dead, if they're post-hardcore, are sometimes a little emo-ey, but there's also a lot of social commentary in many of their songs as well.
Actually, a lot of early emo and screamo bands commented on social issues. A lot. The idea that emo consists entirely of post-pubescent men whining about breakups wasn't even established until Dashboard Confessional came along and fucked everything up for people.
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Compare Ohio is for Lovers and Short Stories With Tragic Endings. Then you'll see.
Urge to kill growing.
Okay, thats it rant.
I had to seriously, stop reading the rest of the thread because of this. I just needed to instantly yell at you pretty much. How the hell can you compare the crapfest that is Hawthorne Heights to old From Autumn To Ashes. Hawthorne Heights has little musical talent, while FATA has a decent ammount of it in that band.
Short Stories With Tragic Endings is pretty much all screaming, while Ohio is for Lovers is just bad singing.
Seriously, go back to drawing anarchy signs on your notebook and get the eff out of here.
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I dunno, but there is little to no emo in the classic ATDI albums (mainly social/political commentary when you can pull apart the lyrics), Blood Brothers (mainly social critique as well as critique of certain types of individuals), or BearvsShark (critique of satisfaction with the suburban lifestyle, among other things). Trail of Dead, if they're post-hardcore, are sometimes a little emo-ey, but there's also a lot of social commentary in many of their songs as well.
Actually, a lot of early emo and screamo bands commented on social issues. A lot. The idea that emo consists entirely of post-pubescent men whining about breakups wasn't even established until Dashboard Confessional came along and fucked everything up for people.
I've always found it interesting in the oringal emo/screamo movement, a major theme was the blending of the personal and the political, which is also a major theme of the more scholarly works of 70's era feminism. Now, the hot topic emo crowd has turned into something almost the opposite of feminism- self pity and occasionally mild misogyny under the guise of heartache.
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Yeah. it's also really shitty, whiny, and has really bad lyrics.
SO CUT MY WRISTS AND BLACK MY EYES
SO I CAN FALL ASLEEP TONIGHT, OR DIE
BECAUSE U KILL ME
YOU KNOW YOU DO, U KILL ME WELL
YOU LIKE IT TO AND I CNA TELL
Infact, I declare that song the national anthem of myspace. Fucking myspace.
Right. I admit it, I have no idea what kind of music From Autumn to Ashes, Hawthorne Heights and those other bands mentioned make. I've never listened to their stuff (we don't get that TV no more).
Given the description here, I probably won't like it, but that's not the point.
My point is: Kai, please, please, for the love of God and all that is holy, tell me that you made up these lyrics right here on the spot and that you can't actually get a record deal if you have lyrics as bad as that. Please.
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I've always found it interesting in the oringal emo/screamo movement, a major theme was the blending of the personal and the political, which is also a major theme of the more scholarly works of 70's era feminism. Now, the hot topic emo crowd has turned into something almost the opposite of feminism- self pity and occasionally mild misogyny under the guise of heartache.
And then it bled over into hardcore, which is the reason why half the songs I write these days are somehow about female liberation. Sigh.
@Patatat: Don't be a dick.
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Actually, a lot of early emo and screamo bands commented on social issues. A lot. The idea that emo consists entirely of post-pubescent men whining about breakups wasn't even established until Dashboard Confessional came along and fucked everything up for people.
There are obviously two different waves of emo. There's true emo, that was bred out of the hardcore movement (there are a lot of good bands in there). When most people talk about emo, they're not thinking about that movement. They're talking about the commercialized MTV shit. That's another story entirely.
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Jeez, we have a lot of musical snobbery here.
Screamo, or any genre of music, should be what the LISTENER makes of it, not some asshole on the internet bashing on the listener's views of good music. If someone wants to call post-hardcore screamo, then fucking let them guys, don't bash on them because they might be a little misguided, just let them be because they are happy with how they feel about music.
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I beg to differ with that statement for a couple of reasons. First:
Screamo, or any genre of music, should be what the LISTENER makes of it, not some asshole on the internet bashing on the listener's views of good music. If someone wants to call post-hardcore screamo, then fucking let them guys, don't bash on them because they might be a little misguided,
No, for you see, the idea of the genre is to allow everyone to classify music sort of universally. So you can say "band A is genre B" and you have a faint idea of what they might sound like.
Now, this concept as such is already flawed as soon as someone tries to instantiate it but there's no need to make it even worse by claiming that genres are completely down to personal interpretation. There's already a lot of room there (more room than we need, thanks to the room we have discussions like this), no need to make even more.
"To me, the A*Teens are Death Metal." ... No.
just let them be because they are happy with how they feel about music.
Right, since when does feeling good about the music you like and assigning genre tags correlate? "I sure would love that band, but they're hardcore, so I can't like them"? That makes absolutely no sense at all.
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I don't think anyone is trying to be a real ass in here. Genres and labels were created to organize all types of things (mainly entertainment).
Calling an action movie a drama because it has 5 minutes of dramatic scenes isn't very accurate. Especially if 1 hour and 30 minutes of that movie was shoot out scenes.
There are obviously some crossovers, when bands change or when they're just plain strange, and move from one genre to the next in each song. Generally though, labels and genres were created for some organization. Letting people think whatever they want about genres creates confusion....like how almost nobody knows what punk, emo, or screamo is.
Genres and labels are also very good for describing music. That's what I think, anyway. You're free to think what you want.
"You're not punk, and I'm telling everyone". Heh.
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My point is that the term "emo" is often used as an insult. When someone calls something that clearly isn't emo "emo" or an emo-derivative and means it as an insult, they're a moron. Especially if they're a supposed death-metal fan who likes Slipknot. That makes them a moron. A MORON.
Basically, if you don't know what genre something is, throwing a name at it randomly as an insult is stupid. Especially if you're a self-described music fan who doesn't know shit about music, but are trying to be "cooler" than someone who actually does.
Also:
I don't think anyone is trying to be a real ass in here.
Wrong.
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Most of the music of the past five years or so that has been slapped into the emo genre is just lazy classifying. Pretty much all "nu-emo" bands could be classified better than it is at the moment, and would probably be alot more useful. For instance, whether you like or loathe them, an accoustic driven band like dashboard confessional is hardly in the same genre as a shouty loud band such as From Autumn To Ashes.
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My point is: Kai, please, please, for the love of God and all that is holy, tell me that you made up these lyrics right here on the spot and that you can't actually get a record deal if you have lyrics as bad as that. Please.
I'd love to, but I actually went and looked up those lyrics. I just put it in caps to make it look fancy. But the lyrics really are that fucking bad.
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Wrong.
Yeah, why don't you just ask the mods to lock this topic, if you're gonna do it that way.
EDIT: I mean, I am; this topic deserves lockage, if it's just going to be a bunch of people being glibly snobbish about music.
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I started this thread to talk about FATA, one of my favorite bands, and ended up having to read people totally bash on them, its some bullshit. I think if you guys want to bash bands, do it in a thread that is entitled I HATE SO AND SO. Fucking bitches.
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discussion
n 1: an extended communication (often interactive) dealing with some particular topic; 2: an exchange of views on some topic.
People saying what they damn well think about a band = discussion.
People only saying they like a band = circle jerk.
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I started this thread to talk about FATA, one of my favorite bands, and ended up having to read people totally bash on them, its some bullshit. I think if you guys want to bash bands, do it in a thread that is entitled I HATE SO AND SO. Fucking bitches.
I read:
HAUGHAUGLAUGUAHL
I'm pro-locking for once.
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Yeah, why don't you just ask the mods to lock this topic, if you're gonna do it that way.
Wrong. I simply denied that no one was trying to be an asshole. This could have been referring to the fact that we were being music snobs, or the fact that this thread even exists in the first place. Seriously, if I posted on here with colored text and everything how I thought that people should stop bashing on Good Charlotte because really they're talented and I like them and that's my right to like them, so stop being music snobs wah! I would be inciting a flame war. Now, I think Good Charlotte are shit. I think they're an affront to my opinions on what punk should be about and what the punk scene should attempt to be. But even if I liked them, posting something like that is BEGGING for flame replies. Same with this thread. There is no respect here for FATA. They suck. Want to discuss them? This is not the place.
B) I started this thread to talk about FATA, one of my favorite bands, and ended up having to read people totally bash on them, its some bullshit.
Hey, at least we're talking about your band instead of rambling about something else, like Skyclad or Siobhan or Constantines or Dismemberment Plan or whatever. Be glad this has (mostly) stayed on topic.
C)People have differing opinions. Also, ending the post with "fucking bitches" is not a good idea. What with it, y'know, making you come across as a cock and all.
Man, and here I thought liking From Autumn to Ashes made him come across as a cock. Thanks for setting me straight.
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Okay, a serious post before this gets locked...
The original post in this thread suggested that any music snob should like From Autumn to Ashes because they put in so many different things to satisfy everyone. This concept is offensive. This is called "pandering to the audience" among other things. It is not restricted to FATA, it extends to many, many other bands, the obvious example for me being Coldplay, but really, there are countless examples in the indie scene (Interpol, for example, but there are many others), the mainstream scene (most of the mainstream scene, really), the goth scene, the punk scene, and just about any other scene.
Many of us do not listen to music for a certain sound or a certain musical element. I listen to everything from the Pixies to Frontline Assembly to The Mars Volta to Arcade Fire to Dead Kennedys to My Bloody Valentine to...you get the picture. What I do look for in music is sincerity and an attempt to do your own thing. I don't WANT to hear someone cynically hashing together elements from several genres in the attempt to attract a crossover audience. That not only doesn't interest me, but that offends me as both a producer and a consumer of music. I am offended as a musician because, although I am nowhere nearly as talented as these mainstream musicians, I put more effort into making my music my own than these guys do, and music isn't even my career. I am offended as a music fan because such behavior shows that these musicians pretty much only view me as a target market or some other bullshit marketing term that turns me into a statistic.
FATA do not try anything new. They do not take chances. They do not make music for the sake of the music. And that is offensive and bashworthy.
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People only saying they like a band = circle jerk.
But see, there's the thing. It doesn't have to be a circle jerk, as long as we keep it civil. Yes, it's possible; I go to high school every day and go home without punching anyone, yet I have discussions about music all the time, and not just with my friends.
posting something like that is BEGGING for flame replies
No, honestly, it's begging for a lock. It's begging for us not to even dignify it with a response, not for us to get into a flame war.
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I go to high school every day and go home without punching anyone
Man, I wish I went to your high school. Back when I was in high school it was less the punchings and more the knifings.
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Drunks of my school's level aren't co-ordinated enough to shiv. FACT.
Anyways, look (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/viewtopic.php?t=5617)! Forum rules!
Don't be a dick. If someone creates a thread about x genre of music that is not an invitation for fans of y genre to jump all over x thread because they don't like it, or because x isn't y. Further, don't then go and attempt to make everything about genre y.
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Jesus tittyfucking Christ in a jello mold, interpreting Mnementh's guidelines is like trying to interprete the fucking constitution.
Key word in that passage is GENRE. No one is saying "omg you suck stupid emo fag lolololol." We're saying that From Autumn to Ashes is shitty and is a good example of bad emo.
Last time I checked, "shit" wasn't a genre.
And if it is, I'm going to stop flushing mine down the toilet and start marketing it at Hot Topic.
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on a positive note, orchid are great.
so is playing saetia really fucking loud with my window wide open and my elderly neighbour like 10 feet away tending her flowerbed. I know she loves it!
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Jesus tittyfucking Christ in a jello mold, interpreting Mnementh's guidelines is like trying to interprete the fucking constitution.
Most other people manage it without coming off as an asshat.
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The U. S. Constitution, for example, is a "living document." Obviously the founding fathers never considered abortion, Miranda rights, prayer in schools or countless other things. It's up to the Supreme Court to look at the constitution and see where these modern problems fit within that framework.
Jesus tittyfucking Christ in a jello mold, interpreting Mnementh's guidelines is like trying to interprete the fucking constitution.
I'm going to take that as a compliment. I can't address every single argument that might come up, if I could do that, why bother having a forum.
I'm not sure what is going on in here. It's pretty dumb though. I'm not locking it on account of any one person, almost all of you had a hand in it's demise. The level of contrarianism, and the eagerness to jump all over a dissenting opinion as "wrong" astounds me.