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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Spirit Stereo on 13 Sep 2005, 06:28
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clap your hands say yeah
art brut
lcd soundsystem
pavement.
yeah.
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Agree with Pavement and LCD Soundsystem. Not sure about Art Brut though, plenty of people hate them to contrast those who love them.
Anthony & the Johnsons
Devendra Banhart
Joanna Newsom
Sufjan Stevens
My Bloody Valentine (good, but not as great as everyone makes out)
Sleater-Kinney
I assume we're taking U2, Coldplay etc for granted?
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Pavement (who'daguessedit?)
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Slint
The Arcade Fire
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Bloc Party
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Sufjan Stevens
My Bloody Valentine (good, but not as great as everyone makes out)
sorry but youre just wrong.
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Sonic Youth
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I assume we're taking U2, Coldplay etc for granted?
Well sh'yeah, think of what forum this is...
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Radiohead. No contest.
Exactly how and why Radiohead's Kid A has come to stand as the definitive artistic statement for rock consumers born after 1975 is almost ridiculously difficult to discern. People believed (and continue to believe) in the metaphysical heft of Kid A: in its aesthetic worth, its innovation, its meaning. In 2000, Kid A felt true and inscrutable; five years later, it somehow still does: From its chilling opening organ figure to its closing silence, Kid A is enormous-- a huge, sweeping testament to Radiohead's ever-swelling worldview.
Oh fuck off.
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I assume we're taking U2, Coldplay etc for granted?
Pretty much. U2 just sort of goes without saying.
I know I'm gonna take some flak for this, but seriously, Broken Social Scene just plain annoys me. With italics, no less.
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I would say that none of the bands you all have mentioned so far are underrated, at all. Underrated would be not being able to get a record deal and releasing '7s on your own little label, which nobody bought in spite of the fact that you kicked Beatles and Led Zeppelin's asses simultaneously.
That is underrated, if these are anything, they are overrated and yes Radiohead is overrated, even though I like them.
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Praeserpium Machinarum: read the title to the thread again. I think you're a bit confused.
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All of you are completely wrong, except for khar. Also, this thread is excessively negative and can not possibly contribute anything to anything at all. It is like "Lets make a thread where we complain!"
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I'd agree with you SeanBatemen if I didn't want to say The Mars Volta so badly.
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All of you are completely wrong, except for khar. Also, this thread is excessively negative and can not possibly contribute anything to anything at all. It is like "Lets make a thread where we complain!"
It's what human beings do best.
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Interpol
The Arcade Fire
Also, your mom.
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Interpol, definitely. They're not innovative, they're boring.
I have yet to motivate myself to listen to The Arcade Fire, every time I'm almost there I read a description of their music and think "Oh God, no" and then I listen to something else instead.
White Stripes
Mando Diao
The Hives
And mentioning Slint in here should be punishable by death by explosive hemorrhoids.
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The problem with Arcade Fire is that people ritually confuse what they are and what they aren't.
They are good at writing catchy pop indie rock.
They are good at putting on a live show.
They are NOT the saviors of rock and roll.
They are not incapable of writing a bad song (their EP was a whole ballsload of bad songs back to back to back).
Win Butler is not Jesus.
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This thread is one hundred percent unneccessary. I mean, if it maybe discussed music press' role in overrating bands, or why bands get overrated or something, then I could see it having a purpose. As it is, it's just "hurr I don't like [band] as much as other people do."
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and obviously our opinions aren't nearly as important as those of the music press.
There is validity in this thread, although I agree that there needs to be more discussion about why a band is overrated as opposed to just a laundry list of bands we think are overrated.
Therefore:
The Arcade Fire: A friend of mine recommended Funeral to me before the indie press started their fapping circle jerk bukkake all over Win Butler's face, and I still didn't see the appeal. I mean, the album is okay, but on the whole it's not like they really did anything spectacular, and there are a number of tracks that they could've done without, particularly "Haiti" and "In The Backseat" (Basically, I don't think Regine should be allowed to do lead vocals. It's the sybillant S. really bothers me).
Slint: I'm basing this completely on Spiderland. For a six song album, I just wasn't really that impressed. It felt more like hardcore than anything else. While the movement that they spawned created some excellent music, it doesn't necessarily follow that the progenitors produced the same level of quality. They did provide a new way of thinking, and for that they deserve credit, but with so many better bands following the math-rock (shudder at the term) or post-rock (bigger shudder) formula I think Slint, with their whispered, pretentious storytelling followed by loud, heavy segments, isn't really worth exploring except as an interesting footnote to a bigger, better musical movement.
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and obviously our opinions aren't nearly as important as those of the music press.
Not a direct quote; I was merely alluding to the fact that a lot of being overrated is due to music journalism making it as such, and that otherwise people liking albums more than you do is called "opinion."
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Radiohead..../Radiohead/? OVERRATED?
Hang on....yes....I think you've just killed me.
=keels over, dead=
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Yeah, I agree that Radiohead is overrated. They are worth a listening to, but they aren't the best band ever that they are claimed to be.
For me, their only worthwhile albums are OK Computer and Kid A, the rest are rather forgetable.
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You have broken my poor, part-indie heart with your hurtful words.
Oh, and I am likely going to be pelted with rocks for saying this, but I just don't see what all the fuss is about Our Lady Peace.
=cowers=
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Led Zepplin. Great band, but overrated.
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Well, you're right on the money at least, Aphi...
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I agree that Antony and the Johnsons don't quite merit the rave reviews they've gotten, at least based on the sort of patchy I am a Bird Now, but "Hope There's Someone" is a fucking beautiful song. Totally enough to justify any praise directed at it.
Your mileage may vary, of course; I just wanted to try and mitigate the overwhelming negativity in this thread.
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Yeah, I agree that Radiohead is overrated. They're also really boring and boring.
fixed.
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Also, your mom.
do you mean 'say hi to your mom' or are you just making a bad joke?
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Praeserpium Machinarum: read the title to the thread again. I think you're a bit confused.
ah bugger, just goes to show how much attention I was paying ;)
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Really, can any band mentioned in this thread top Radiohead? I doubt it.
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interpol
magazine-wise, the killers (meaning all the magazines need to stop SUCKING BRANDON FLOWERS PEE PEE.) (YES I AM TALKING TO YOU, SPIN MAG)
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clap your hands say yeah
art brut
lcd soundsystem
pavement.
yeah.
This is a troll, or else OP genuinely believes that anything that receives a high rating from Pitchfork (and benefits from the inevitable hoopla) is overrated. If you don't believe me check the startling correlation between Pitchfork scores and the four bands OP cited -- the first time in fact that I have seen a correlation between 8.5+ Pitchfork scores and anything else.
Anyway, I'll give OP the benefit of the doubt and call this a troll. Doesn't mean it can't be a valuable thread. For instance, I'm still boggling over how, when any post-rock band is always subject to a spectrum of professional reviews and indie fanbase reactions, it makes sense to call them "overrated". Special contempt is reserved for calling Clap Your Hands Say Yeah overrated before their official album release (which yes, I know, began and was delayed . . . but still). Overrated by whom? Most of the indie crowd hasn't even heard of them yet!
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Hasn't been released yet? Silly foreigners, they've got it in my local record store here in Melbourne. Same goes for Illinois with the original cover art, for that matter.
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In this thread, there seems to be a direct correlation between media saturation and being overrated, which is why it is very easy for a band like Clap Your Hands Say Yeah to be seen as overrated. Even though their first album was just released today in North America (and won't reach my hands for another month or two since I have to order it), everyone has already heard so much junk about them from so many outlets.
And we have these damn hipster genes that force us to stray from the norms to establish our individuality. Which is why there is an impossibly high standard for Clap Your Hands Say Yeah to live up to.
And I live in Canada, and Superman is on my copy of Illinois. But that's just 'cause I'm that good.
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Hasn't been released yet? Silly foreigners, they've got it in my local record store here in Melbourne. Same goes for Illinois with the original cover art, for that matter.
Well you're right and I was wrong, the official release date was June 28, 2005, but because the original CD run was tiny, most people are getting it now. Or something like that. My point is that to date, most North American fans have only heard them from downloads & at concerts.
My beef here is that basically the criterion for overrated is whether a group has been feted on 10-20 websites in the three months since 99% of indie fans had even heard of their name. That's complete shit. Sure Pitchfork can say beautiful things about CYHSY representing for indie because they're in the process of making it self-released and on the basis of word-of-mouth, but that's all secondary to the quality of the music -- that is to say the groovy feeling that it instills inside of you over the span of multiple listenings.
So the CD comes out, maybe they sell 60k albums if they're lucky (invisible from recording industry standards where gold is 500k, platinum is 1mm, and diamond is 10mm) and guaranteed noone will be talking about them a year from now as they work toward their next album. Will they still be overrated then?
EDIT: Fuck, I just realized that Johnny C said everything I wanted to say but in one sentence. I'm going to go shoot myself now.
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clap your hands say yeah
art brut
lcd soundsystem
pavement.
yeah.
This is a troll, or else OP genuinely believes that anything that receives a high rating from Pitchfork (and benefits from the inevitable hoopla) is overrated. If you don't believe me check the startling correlation between Pitchfork scores and the four bands OP cited -- the first time in fact that I have seen a correlation between 8.5+ Pitchfork scores and anything else.
Anyway, I'll give OP the benefit of the doubt and call this a troll. Doesn't mean it can't be a valuable thread. For instance, I'm still boggling over how, when any post-rock band is always subject to a spectrum of professional reviews and indie fanbase reactions, it makes sense to call them "overrated". Special contempt is reserved for calling Clap Your Hands Say Yeah overrated before their official album release (which yes, I know, began and was delayed . . . but still). Overrated by whom? Most of the indie crowd hasn't even heard of them yet!
I'm definitely not a troll. And I love plenty of bands Pitchfork loves (see Decemberists, Sufjan, Tortoise etc.). And CYHSY is gigantic among board-posting people. And the album is definitely out.
And what the hell is OP?
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Oh and not just among board-posting people, who am I kidding? Most people are leaving after CYHSY during their sold-out tour with the National. For real.
And they are overrated, at least in my mind, because the singer can't sing, the music is largely boring (except for a couple tracks) and they still get glowing reviews (see Metacritic).
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Agree with Pavement and LCD Soundsystem. Not sure about Art Brut though, plenty of people hate them to contrast those who love them.
Anthony & the Johnsons
Devendra Banhart
Joanna Newsom
Sufjan Stevens
My Bloody Valentine (good, but not as great as everyone makes out)
Sleater-Kinney
I assume we're taking U2, Coldplay etc for granted?
i agree with my bloody valentine. but the other artists i donīt think they are very 'overrated'. like "oh whoa the best guy ever!!" i think they have the promotion they deserve.
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In defence of the arcade fire, funeral is pretty much everything it's hyped up to be. I really didn't see the appeal at first, but then my iPod broke and the only thing I had to listen to in my car for a straight week was funeral.
Now I can't imagine passing that album by, it's bloody fucking wonderful!
Maybe some of you need to give it more time?
Oh, and Pavement is certainly overrated. Good call with that one.
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Also, your mom.
do you mean 'say hi to your mom' or are you just making a bad joke?
No, I mean that a lot of indie kids think your mom is the greatest thing since sliced bread and Pavement, and really, she isn't. She's sorta sucktastic.
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Say Hi to Your Mom got a crap Pitchfork review, so how could it possibly be overrated? (j/k, j/k)
I'm definitely not a troll. And I love plenty of bands Pitchfork loves (see Decemberists, Sufjan, Tortoise etc.). And CYHSY is gigantic among board-posting people. And the album is definitely out.
And what the hell is OP?
OP is original poster. CYHSY has been gigantic among forum goers for less than one month. Jeph posted a positive response to the concert just a few days ago. The time-span for a creative success in the indie world is shrinking so fast that pretty soon we are going to go directly from "unknown" to "backlash".
I'm going to paraphrase what someone else said earlier in this thread: an overrated thread is just another way of saying "Bands I don't like but you probably do". Ok. So what?
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Really, can any band mentioned in this thread top Radiohead? I doubt it.
Radiohead win completely because they're not just over-rated by indie kids. I'm talking about things like Channel 4 listing Ok Computer as the best album ever. Not even best British album, which would still have been revoltingly criminal.
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clap your hands say yeah
pavement.
yeah.
Thanks for the ass cancer.
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Why don't you guys provide some reasons for these bands being so over-rated instead of just listing out bands you don't care for?
Some of the claims so far have been terribly off base.
Radiohead? My Bloody Valentine? Pavement? Sonic Youth?
What do you guys like if you care so little for the aforementioned? Throw in the Pixies (and possibly Joy Division, Guided by Voices and Echo & the Bunnymen) and you have primary influences for the majority of bands making records today.
I don't know how Radiohead can be over rated, 3 of their albums have been top notch 10/10 material. The Bends, OK Computer and Kid A are phenominal. And the others are far better than the majority of what is released today. Claiming that they are over rated sounds like nothing more than a cry of "they are too popular for me to like them".
My Bloody Valentine and Sonic Youth were both sonically innovative groups. Loveless and Daydream Nation are classic albums. You can't argue with that, their influence is undeniable.
Pavement... well it is difficult for me to make a fair argument for them since they are one of my favorite bands. So I will just ask for some clarification on how they are over-rated.
Yeah, if you christen any of these bands to be "the best ever", I could understand people arguing with you. Claiming you are over-rating them etc. But even if that were the case, being the best ever is so subjective it isn't even worth contemplating. And being over-rated... how does one become over rated? Is it just a simple case of "all these people like this band, and I think they are shit, I will make my voice heard on the internet!"?
Personally I think the Killers are over-rated on the grounds that they have sold a ton of records and have a sound I find extremely aggravating. Cheesey synth shit shouldn't sell a million records. But I am sure there is someone out their whose life was completed by some cheesey synth shit and is more than willing to argue with me. So what is the point?
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I don't know how Radiohead can be over rated, 3 of their albums have been top notch 10/10 material. The Bends, OK Computer and Kid A are phenominal. And the others are far better than the majority of what is released today. Claiming that they are over rated sounds like nothing more than a cry of "they are too popular for me to like them".
Or it's a cry of "Everyone says their material is top notch 10/10 material" when they're really just long winded and really fucking boring.
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Fair enough. In my opinion I think Sonic Youth is over rated because of the numerous people who have claimed they are "sonically innovative" or other such claptrap. I think the Butthole Surfers did and do better weird experimental rock or what ever the fuck the kids call it these days.
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That's because the Butthole Surfers were ace.
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Also Thom Yorkes voice is awful. But anyway, I think you can say any band is over-rated when one of Britains largest television channels rates their eight-year old album the best ever, beating an illustrious list both mentioned and unmentioned. Plus, I hate guff like, say, everything Pitchfork writes about them, and every explanation I've ever seen ever of why 'Paranoid Android' is someones favourite song ever. How can so many people get so wet over something so inspidly boring? Even if you like them, you must admit they're over-rated. Only Skyclad could get that much praise and not be over-rated.
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GUYS YOU KNOW WHO ELSE IS REALLY OVERRATED? THE BEATLES!! YOU CAN NOT EVEN TELL WHO IS SINGING IN MOST OF THE SONGS AND THEY ARE REALLY OLD! YEAH, AND WHO CARES THAT ZAPPA COMPLETELY RECREATED MUSIC! THAT SHIT IS WAAAY OVVERRATED JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT LIKE IT! WHAT ELSE CAN WE BE CRITICAL OF?[/size]
sorry ray
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I don't know how Radiohead can be over rated, 3 of their albums have been top notch 10/10 material. The Bends, OK Computer and Kid A are phenominal. And the others are far better than the majority of what is released today. Claiming that they are over rated sounds like nothing more than a cry of "they are too popular for me to like them".
Or it's a cry of "Everyone says their material is top notch 10/10 material" when they're really just long winded and really fucking boring.
long winded and boring? Do you like any songs that are over 2 minutes long?
it is easy to praise them when you look at all of the shit that was making it big in the "alt-rock" market at the time The Bends and OK Computer were released. Especially OK Computer, talk about something completely unique at the time.
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Especially OK Computer, talk about something completely unique at the time.
Oh man, look, I really like Radiohead a lot too, but you are gonna get raped for saying that in here.
Just... you're not going to change anyone's mind. These people declared war on Radiohead when Thom Yorke was in elementary school; they said "If some British motherfucker with crippling paranoia, a fondness for falsetto, and a lazy eye starts a band and makes songs about technological dystopias, I swear to God I'll hate them for as long as I live."
And they said this while they were in the womb.
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People forget that there was a time when there was no Radiohead and everything had gone to shit.
Be thankfull for what you have and realise that just because you have decided to hate a band doesn't mean they have made a valuable contribution to the world of music as a whole.
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Excuse me? I do believe a very good portion of my music happens to be made up of really long tracks, some up to a good hour or so. (woo for prog rock/metal and jam bands!) The problem I have with Radiohead? They're boring. Simple as that. The whiny nasal vocals, the pretty below average guitar (or lack thereof, in the case of Kid A/Amnesiac) and overall, compared to what I listen to, really boring.
Course, then again, I liked this band back when they were called the TALKING HEADS.
EDIT: Soak: wow. Just... wow. I seriously hope there's sarcasm in that post, becase if there's one thing I dont' need lectures about, it's things like "Even if you don't like them, you have to realize what contributions they've made to music". Shut the fuck up. Seriously.
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I honestly don't believe that Radiohead have influenced anyone of note, especially when you find out that people like Tommy Lee and Wes Borland are fans and that hasn't affected their sounds at all.
On the other hand, some people seem to hate Radiohead for the simple reason that they get press.
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Calm down dude.
Not intended as a lecture. You just have to realise that for some people bands like Radiohead are an awakening to what music can be.
For me Radiohead and the Smashing Pumpkins made me realise that music was more than just what was playing on the radio.
I think Radiohead did this for a lot of people and I think that if a band can do that thats really cool.
Most of us here enjoy the obscurity of our favourite bands but without some bands making it to the mainstream would any of us have ventured out to find them?
Maybe talking heads was that band for you. I just have this urge to defend Radiohead, don't take it personally.
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People forget that there was a time when there was no Radiohead and everything had gone to shit.
Dude, Skyclad were there trying to change the whole goddamn world.
But you fuckers just wouldn't listen.
And that's why the best band in the world only played one UK show that I couldn't get to this year, even though they're from the UK.
Oh why wouldn't you listen?
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I hate radiohead because I hate the whiney vocals the crappy lyrics and the feeling of utter homicidal rage listening to a track of theirs gives birth to within my heart.
They havent influenced anyone I personally like, and before radiohead there were PLENTY of good bands. Perhaps you wouldnt like them... but then again you like that which I dislike in radiohead.
(Yes- I KNOW Ben Weasel has a crappy nasal voice...no need to tell me about that)
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Excuse me? I do believe a very good portion of my music happens to be made up of really long tracks, some up to a good hour or so. (woo for prog rock/metal and jam bands!) The problem I have with Radiohead? They're boring. Simple as that. The whiny nasal vocals, the pretty below average guitar (or lack thereof, in the case of Kid A/Amnesiac) and overall, compared to what I listen to, really boring.
Course, then again, I liked this band back when they were called the TALKING HEADS.
That joke only works when the band that they used to be called actually sounds like the band you are dissing.
Compared with what you listen to, I'd find my monotone Spanish teacher more interesting. Guess that's not a good point to make, then.
Besides, Johnny Greenwood is a pretty darn good guitarist. Just because he doesn't dick around on his guitar for hours doesn't mean---wait. Deja vu.
Oh right, that opinion thing getting in the way of calling something boring like it's a fact.
Oh well.
Though still, Muse > Radiohead.
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Uh yeah, Mr Greenwood can certainly jangle that guitar good. Yeah. He knows that any sort of complex bridge, solo or breakdown, unusual or sudden variance in tempo, interesting use of pedals, whammy bar or distortion, adoption of classical or hybrid styles of picking or bending, non-standard tunings etc. would basically just be masturbation with no musical worth whatsoever.
Also, it might not sell quite so many Radiohead albums.
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1. I think it's disrespectful to call someone's dislike of a band "backlash". It assumes that they dislike the band only because they're too popular, not because they really don't like the band. You can disagree with someone, but don't diss how the opinions come about.
2. It's strangely cynical to assume that anyone who comes up with a vaguely contentious thread and has a low post count is a troll. I'm not going to say it's disrespectful, because it's reasonable, but I think it's strange how message boards have evolved so that it would be reasonable for me to be a troll.
3. It's so true that Radiohead hasn't influenced anyone of note yet! I hadn't thought of that, but it's true. I mean, Coldplay? Muse? WTF? Give them time, though, and I'm sure they will.
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Things that eventually happen in ANY thread in the Music Talk forum:
1. Someone mentions Radiohead, in any context whatsoever.
2. Someone whose name starts with Khar points out that Radiohead is stupid and overrated and oh by the way they're boring and they really suck.
3. sp2 points out, with no provocation whatsoever, that Coldplay is really terrible.
4. Someone defends Radiohead, thereby precluding the possibility of any other topic being discussed until a mod closes the thread.
5. Did sp2 mention that Interpol is also really terrible? Oh, and boring too.
6. Someone says, in effect, "Yeah, well, that's just your opinion, man."
7. Someone points that anyone's opinion is valid as long as it's not presented as fact.
8. Absolutely everyone ignores (7) and continues to present opinions about Radiohead as fact, adding in personal insults and extreme hyperbole to spice things up a bit.
9. sp2 points out that your mom. Your mom what? the thread is momentarily diverted from the descent into Radiohead flame war to ponder. But whatever doubtless fascinating information sp2 has to impart about your mom is left a mystery, and perhaps it's better that way.
10. A mod closes the thread, citing irreconcilable differences, and by differences I mean uselessness.
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2. Someone whose name starts with Khar points out that Radiohead is stupid and overrated and oh by the way they're boring and they really suck
1) I first mentioned Radiohead in this thread, rather politely.
2)It must have been four months or so since I mentioned Radiohead in any context whatsoever.
3) Kai said they were boring.
4) Sp2 hasn't been going crazy about Coldplay in this thread at all
5) shuddit
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Khar has actually been damn fantastic in the last little while about not actually insulting people's tastes in music. Other people have ventured in to fill that void for him.
Anyways, I think if you don't like the music that you don't have to call it "boring." Just "I don't like it."
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Ah, but one's own musical taste is insulted relatively regularly.
I only generally insult musical taste when either they insult mine, they are rude to me in some other way, or I'm in a monumentally bad mood. This last factor may occur more frequently during term time. I'll try and take it out mainly on last.fm, far more idiots there anyway.
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2. Someone whose name starts with Khar points out that Radiohead is stupid and overrated and oh by the way they're boring and they really suck
1) I first mentioned Radiohead in this thread, rather politely.
2)It must have been four months or so since I mentioned Radiohead in any context whatsoever.
3) Kai said they were boring.
4) Sp2 hasn't been going crazy about Coldplay in this thread at all
5) shuddit
1. You do count as "someone," and rather politely does count as "in any context whatsoever."
2. I haven't even been a member of this forum for four months, but my claim was based on actual evidence, joke though it was. But don't take it personally; I was just poking fun and I'm sorry if it came across as rude or bad-natured. It's obvious (to me, anyway, since I haven't disclosed my musical opinions on the forum all that much) that our musical tastes are wildly dissimilar, but whatever, man. I like your cold hard metal flava, and don't let me tell you otherwise.
3. My list never said that wasn't a possibility. And don't be all "He started it!"
4. Not yet he hasn't! Seriously though, that you even know what I'm talking about indicates that I'm not just talking out of my ass on that one.
5. Your mom.
Ok, just to clear things up: That list was a total fucking joke, not meant to be taken literally, jeez. It was based on things that I've noticed happening at least once in the relatively short time I've been here. It was meant to be amusing, and man, I hope someone other than me found or finds it so. Before, you know, a mod closes this thread.
Also, let me point out that "eventually" is a long time. I'm just saying.
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Oh right, that opinion thing getting in the way of calling something boring like it's a fact.
Oh, excuse me. Let me revise it to better suit the fact that it's just MY opinion.
"Or it's a cry of "Everyone says their material is top notch 10/10 material" when they're really just long winded and really fucking boring, but that just is my opinion and is certainly not fact in any way ever, and I seriously don't know why you guys are arguing with me because we all fucking know it's my opinion. I mean jesus fucking christ."
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Hm. Useless arguments CAN be fun sometimes. :P
So anyways...
How can you say Sonic Youth wasn't innovative? That's just stupid. Nobody did noise like they did when they came around, at least not in the epic sense of Daydream Nation. To deny that they were an important band and then say "OMG BUTTHOLE SURFERS ACE LOL" as if you want to actually compare the two is silly in my eyes.
HEY GUYS LETS ALL FORGET THE GUYS WHO INNOVATED FIRST AND GO BACK TO SAYING THAT BANDS THAT CAME AFTERWORASDS AND WERE INFULENCED BIE TEH ODeR BAND R BETTR AND DENIE THE BLAH BLAH BOOOO
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I just personally really like the Butthole surfers. I've never listened to Sonic Youth, so whatever.
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Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the Butthole Surfers. ;)
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See I always thought the butthole surfers sort of straddled that weird line between "experimental" and "metal." I didn't mind them so much when I was younger, but then I never went out of my way to pick up any of their albums either. Comparing them to Sonic Youth is like comparing drywall to apples. If you're talking experimental/noise groups being over-rated in relation to OTHER experimental/noise groups, and you're counting the butthole surfers in that category, then I have to say that the surfers are overrated compared to The Boredoms.
Merkava: I think that it's valid to say that a band is overrated, regardless of whether or not they were innovative. If someone listened to what Sonic Youth was trying to accomplish, and then went out and took what they learned from that and made an album that improved on the flaws, wouldn't you say that it was overall a better album, and that the original band, despite being the influence, were still sort of half-assing it?
(For the record, I happen to think Sonic Youth really grew into their sound quite well and accomplished something great in the late-80's/early 90's. I can't believe someone would say they were overrated).
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I think im going to nominate coldplay for most overrated. Theres no denying that its just boring music. Dispassionate, uncreative, and not terribly talented iether.
Also, i have been kicked out of pubs for attacking people that sang crappy covers of "yellow" Its just that bad.
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I think im going to nominate coldplay for most overrated. Theres no denying that its just boring music. Dispassionate, uncreative, and not terribly talented iether.
Also, i have been kicked out of pubs for attacking people that sang crappy covers of "yellow" Its just that bad.
But they've gotten soundly whacked in the press for it (except for a couple idiot zines) so I wouldn't call it overrated. Actually, I might call it underrated, in that they do have a couple positive qualities (none of which are the lyrics) that negative reviews tend to gloss over.
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Parachutes actually got a lot of good reviews, which is when everyone starting calling them the next Radiohead. Then A Rush Of... came out, had a bunch of really boring hits, and smart people realized that hey, Coldplay kinda suck. Dumb people made sure X and Y sold a gajillion copies in its first week. So Coldplay are pretty evenly rated.
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GUYS YOU KNOW WHO ELSE IS REALLY OVERRATED? THE BEATLES!! YOU CAN NOT EVEN TELL WHO IS SINGING IN MOST OF THE SONGS AND THEY ARE REALLY OLD! YEAH, AND WHO CARES THAT ZAPPA COMPLETELY RECREATED MUSIC! THAT SHIT IS WAAAY OVVERRATED JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT LIKE IT! WHAT ELSE CAN WE BE CRITICAL OF?[/size]
sorry ray
No need to be, it's pretty damn funny. I MEAN OMG I HAT YOU.
Really I don't mind Sonic Youth. I actually like some of their stuff but don't see what the huge deal is about them.
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3. sp2 points out, with no provocation whatsoever, that Coldplay is really terrible.
5. Did sp2 mention that Interpol is also really terrible? Oh, and boring too.
9. sp2 points out that your mom. Your mom what? the thread is momentarily diverted from the descent into Radiohead flame war to ponder. But whatever doubtless fascinating information sp2 has to impart about your mom is left a mystery, and perhaps it's better that way.
These are all very important things that most people seem to forget, considering the popularity of Coldplay, Interpol, and your mom.
Oh, and, don't forget. Coldplay sucks your mom.
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the first overrated (metal) band that comes to mind is Death.
If I hear one more white trash loser lamenting about "Chuck!!" I'm going to lose my fucking mind.
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I said that Interpol sucked shit today and some girl now wants to beat the shit out of me. I love America!
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GUYS YOU KNOW WHO ELSE IS REALLY OVERRATED? THE BEATLES!! YOU CAN NOT EVEN TELL WHO IS SINGING IN MOST OF THE SONGS AND THEY ARE REALLY OLD! YEAH, AND WHO CARES THAT ZAPPA COMPLETELY RECREATED MUSIC! THAT SHIT IS WAAAY OVVERRATED JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT LIKE IT! WHAT ELSE CAN WE BE CRITICAL OF?[/size]
sorry ray
Totally the best post ever.
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I said that Interpol sucked shit today and some girl now wants to beat the shit out of me. I love America!
I've had a similar reaction kicking the shit (verbally) out of Radiohead in a public place. I think I said something about wanting to stab myself every time I heard Thom Yorke's voice, and she graciously offered to it for me. She was tiny, but feisty.
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I said that Interpol sucked shit today and some girl now wants to beat the shit out of me. SEXY!
Fixed.
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Oh, I'd like to add Yo La Tengo to this crappy list we have.