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Fun Stuff => ENJOY => Topic started by: Mnementh on 16 Nov 2005, 11:19
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It's almost time for the Tri-Wizard Tournement! I have tickets for friday evening!
This shall be a thread for discussion of the movie.
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Heeheeheehee.
Why the borderline-vicious laughter? I've been following this movie's progression for months.
Guess what?
They kept the ferret scene. THEY KEPT THE FERRET SCENE!!!!!! DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS??? HOORAY!
Back to speaking decently, I'm a wee bit upset with the soundtrack so far, and from what I've heard, the Weird Sisters might REALLY suck. Other than that, it's bound to be amazing. First American director of the films, I think.
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I'll be taking Aphi to see this on Saturday!
Saturday... the day of Harry Potter, newts, and dinner with my parents!
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So Aphi's meeting the family? (If she hasn't already?) Hooray!
And the movie does look hella cool... usually I wait for HP movies to come to video/cable, but I just might make an exception sinthe GoF was the most action packed in my opinion.
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She already has... all introductions to friends/family are done now.
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I am a little excited about this movie as well, a little bit because I liked th ebook so much and a little bit because the dragons look pretty cool in the previews. Oh and spoiler, Cedric dies!
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I'm looking forward to it. I think it'll be fun, and I like the theme song. I'm going to see it with my parents or my friend and her parents or something. Family movie time! Which reminds me, it's rated PG-13 here in the US, I wonder how that will affect ticket sales.
Also, Johnny Greenwood is in it! Does that make it the most indie Harry Potter movie thus-far?
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Er....well, seeing as Harry Potter can't really get indie... you know, being what is possibly the most popular book/movie combo in the world at the moment... sure, whynot.
Oh, Kev? I'm buying my own ticket, so there. And if you don't let me, I'll purposely sit between two snotty kids so you can't sit next to me without suffocating one of them.
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I was thinking about ironic it was, hee. :) Didn't really make that clear, though.
And hooray for buying your own ticket?
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Also, Johnny Greenwood is in it! Does that make it the most indie Harry Potter movie thus-far?
It might, if Jonny Greenwood were, like, at all indie at this point.
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Also a good point. But I hope I haven't derailed the thread early on, so I have a question: is this the first movie with the new Dumbledore? I really liked Richard Harris, it is pretty sad that he died. I'm not sure if he was in the third one, though.
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Er....well, seeing as Harry Potter can't really get indie... you know, being what is possibly the most popular book/movie combo in the world at the moment... sure, whynot.
Oh, Kev? I'm buying my own ticket, so there. And if you don't let me, I'll purposely sit between two snotty kids so you can't sit next to me without suffocating one of them.
It will be hard to buy your own ticket... WITH NO HANDS!
MWA HA HA HA HA!
*begins sharpening his knife*
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No, seriously now... we agreed that I was going to treat you to this movie, so *I* am buying your ticket. If you want to sit between snotty kids, fine... I'll simply sit /on/ one of them. The world won't miss one snotty kid.
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I'll be at the midnight showing ^_^.
EJ
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IM SO EXCITED. This is by far my favorite book so far!
Its playing at an IMAX theater near us. How awesome, especially for tri wizard eh. My bro, his gf and i are going to see it sometime next week hopefully. AHHHHH cant wait.
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people that are going at midnight should dress up because it makes the night better some how
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Heeheeheehee.
Why the borderline-vicious laughter? I've been following this movie's progression for months.
Guess what?
They kept the ferret scene. THEY KEPT THE FERRET SCENE!!!!!! DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS??? HOORAY!
Back to speaking decently, I'm a wee bit upset with the soundtrack so far, and from what I've heard, the Weird Sisters might REALLY suck. Other than that, it's bound to be amazing. First American director of the films, I think.
I've got the full video for the ferret scene if anyone wants it (I can post it to my webserver).
And this is the first British director, not the first American.
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I'm not much of a Potter fan, BUT...
I do rather want to go see this movie :D Perhaps this will be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and makes me read the books.
Also: Goblet of Fire trailer in 720p High Def = mMmMmMm
-Mike
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I have a question: is this the first movie with the new Dumbledore? I really liked Richard Harris, it is pretty sad that he died. I'm not sure if he was in the third one, though.
Dumbledore died?!??!?!
Bad taste?
On another note, I strongly dislike the Harry Potter movies so far.
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Yeah, his son Joaquin Phoenix killed him right after the invasion of Britain.
The other Dumbledore was in the third one.
Also, the Weird Sisters' songs were legally available online, so I can, within my legal rights, offer anyone a copy of that legally available online content for those who want to hear the three songs. Just PM me.
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I got my ticket for tonight at midnight.... w00t! They were sold out but had just opened a fifth theatre to show it in. Roxxor
And Joss Whedon has mentioned he would like to direct the 7th HP movie.
How cool would that be?
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is this the first movie with the new Dumbledore?
Nope. The third movie had the new one, and in my opinion that's the best one so far.
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Im psyched to see it, not my favorite book, but I liked it berr than 1-3, and hell the movie has Gary Oldman so it can't be bad. I think I'll wait a week, last thime i went to an opening of one of there movies at leat three little kids tried to put spells on me.
p.s. I think one might have suceeded, the alternative is a new phenomenon called "Spontaneus growth of 24 extra legs"
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Im psyched to see it, not my favorite book, but I liked it berr than 1-3, and hell the movie has Gary Oldman so it can't be bad. I think I'll wait a week, last thime i went to an opening of one of there movies at leat three little kids tried to put spells on me.
p.s. I think one might have suceeded, the alternative is a new phenomenon called "Spontaneus growth of 24 extra legs"
The movie has one scene with Gary Oldman, and all that it shows is his face made out of embers of a fire (not in the flames as written in the book).
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well thats pretty lame, Oldman is SO less on fire than he should be.
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I'm sure we don't get it till December 1st.
DAMN YOU, SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE!
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It was really good though. I very much enjoyed it and can't wait for the next movie to come out, hopefully next year.
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I <3 the movie. It really struck a nerve with me during the dance scenes (not being so smooth with the ladies, m'self at that age) and laughed loudly at the three girls sitting at the top of the steps and crying. My friend noted that the film felt quite choppy, whereas in the past films you really got a feel for the passage of time, not so much this time around. The trials, the other students, it was all really good. I almost wish they had cut it into two parts.
And I hate that scene with Cedric. I hated it in the books, and I hate it even more now that I've seen it visualized. More to come.
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This movie was SO GOOD! Definitely the best of the Potter movies.
I was pretty disappointed with the whole 'lava face' thing. I was really hoping that it would be more like The Wizard of Oz.
My favorite scene was definitely the graveyard scene.. I was laughing the entire time. Poor Cedric.. I would've cried, but He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named look so awesome..
Such a good movie!!!
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Richard Harris made a much better Dumbledore; Michael Gambon plays him too mean. Dumbledore should be kind, avuncular and a little goofy. He has absolutely no need to be loud or mean because we all know he could kill you like that.
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I agree, Richard Harris was a better Dumbledore. He gave that all-knowing feeling, whereas Michael Gambon was far too aggressive.
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I loved the movie! I thought each of the three tasks was done just right. I only wish that elaborated on Rita Skeeter's part in the movie a bit more. But Mad Eye Moody was absolutely brilliant!
And it may interest most of you to know that all the central actors have already signed on for the fifth movie and will be in production for it very soon, if not already.
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I loved the movie! I thought each of the three tasks was done just right. I only wish that elaborated on Rita Skeeter's part in the movie a bit more. But Mad Eye Moody was absolutely brilliant!
And it may interest most of you to know that all the central actors have already signed on for the fifth movie and will be in production for it very soon, if not already.
Hmm, I have to disagree. I think the Maze definitly was lacking. I mean, i wanted to see a Spynx and another ginormous spider! But the Avada Kadava was done perfectly. Definitly one of my favorite scenes.
Also on the other note, I completly agree about how Dumbledore was played to agressively
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Ooo, I saw this movie, I liked the Scene were Dermstrang (..Not even attemtping to spell it right) Was introduced...pretty flames and sparks!
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Voldemort looked fuckin awesome.
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I DISAGREE
I did enjoy the movie but i had some SERIOUS problems with it.
Near the beginning, i was ready to just walk out. I mean what the hell happened to the flow of time? There was no elaboration on anything but the tourney, and there were at least 3 major characters and their corresponding roles cut from the movie.
That being said, i did enjoy the tasks, and tried to ignore the flaws, therefore i generally had a good time. Voldemort was pretty cool, though noseless, and the girl i brought with me cried during Cedric's death scene.
The next book ought to be done in 2 parts, or be 4 hours long.
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I found the movie was rushed, certain unimportant scenes carried on longer than they needed to. The passage of time in the movie was somewhat ubiquitous... and I didn't get a sense that these kids were in a 'school' really. There was so little focus on that. One of the things that has made the books more 'real' is by mixing the fantasy/magic elements in with the everyday dolldrum of homework and such. A few of the scenes could have been shot with them sitting down, pouring over books/homework, having the plot-important discussions, like in the movies...
Maybe that's a minor gripe, I don't know.
The effects were very good, but I just didn't find myself as impressed this time.
The 3rd film captured the book almost perfectly, and this one didn't seem to have the same impact.
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I found the movie was rushed, certain unimportant scenes carried on longer than they needed to. The passage of time in the movie was somewhat ubiquitous... and I didn't get a sense that these kids were in a 'school' really. There was so little focus on that. One of the things that has made the books more 'real' is by mixing the fantasy/magic elements in with the everyday dolldrum of homework and such. A few of the scenes could have been shot with them sitting down, pouring over books/homework, having the plot-important discussions, like in the movies...
I thought that that was only a problem in the beginning. After that everything seemed normal. But then again you have to keep in mind it was a challenge to get this book into 2:45.
They could have cut that Dancing Lessons scene, though, and replaced it with a plot point somewhere else.
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Yes, a plot point. Like, gee, I dunno...
*deep breath*
WINKY, anyone?
Or SPEW? Ludo Bagman? Bellatrix Lestrange? They all seemed sort of important to me, discluding mister Bagman, who would be optional.
And they didn't really even say who won the World Cup! All there was was Fred or George saying something like, "The Irish still celebrating?"
And what about Rita Skeeter and the illegal animagus thing? How's she going to write that article in the fifth movie? Unless they cut that whole thing, too... gosh, they'd better not.
And Harry never tried to push his Triwizard winnings on the Diggorys. Hell, we don't even know if Cedric had a mum, according to the movie. never showed her.
AND, Harry didn't give his winnings to Fred and George. Does this mean they're going to cut the Skiving Snackboxes(and their triumphant departure from school) out of the fifth movie?
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Sorry. Certain parts of this movie were enjoyable, but for the most part, it made me want to cry. I'll have to agree on the third movie being the best so far.
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When Hermione sat on the stairs crying in her ball gown I thought "This is a very Molly Ringwald moment."
I have seen it twice already.
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The 3rd film captured the book almost perfectly, and this one didn't seem to have the same impact.
I have yet to see the 4th movie, but seeing you claim that the 3rd was near flawless is just CRAZY!!! I thought it was the worst of them all. I can't begin to list the things they've left out!
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Heh, don't waste your money on Goblet then Faulty.
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Translation: GET ON THE FUCKIN' TRUCK!
Maybe?
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The 3rd film captured the book almost perfectly, and this one didn't seem to have the same impact.
I have yet to see the 4th movie, but seeing you claim that the 3rd was near flawless is just CRAZY!!! I thought it was the worst of them all. I can't begin to list the things they've left out!
Heh, don't waste your money on Goblet then Faulty.
Yeah, what he said.
If you thought #3 was terrible, you'll /hate/ this one.
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I enjoy the movies, of course I enjoy most movies because I don't see any reason to be too critical of most of them. My point is that the Harry Potter movies had to have parts left out of them. Regardless of what you think they are still aimed *mostly* at kids. I know this one is reated PG-13 but you know all parents are taking their kids.
That being said, the movies have to be short enough to keep the kids interested but long enough to cover the basics of the books. I figure if they included everything the movies would run at least 5 hours long. You just have to accept what is in the movies and move along.
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Translation: GET ON THE FUCKIN' TRUCK!
Maybe?
Haha, truck is retired my friend. Now it's just a plain pistol whipping.
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Yeah, what he said.
If you thought #3 was terrible, you'll /hate/ this one.
Thanks. It saves me the trouble and agony.
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Watching the 4th Harry Potter movie was like reading the books on fast-forward. By speeding through so much, no time was left on the subtle nuances which made the books so enjoyable. And not JUST the subtle nuances — the scene with the Dursleys and the Ton-Tongue Toffee? I burst out laughing when I read that. No space for it in the movie.
The worst offense is that one of the most surprising elements of the books — the political divisions in the wizard community that turn Dumbledore and Harry Potter into pariahs — is missing from the movie. Based on the movie version of Goblet of Fire, what will Harry Potter have to get angry at in Order of the Phoenix?
They should have released The Goblet of Fire in two parts. They should have split it at the fight with the dragon, which is almost the exact half-way point in the book. And based on the text from the original books, each half of Goblet of Fire would have been roughly the same length as Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone (or Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, if you're from the UK). Imagine that: Goblet of Fire, part 1, would show the Quidditch final intact, and all four fights with the dragons. Then, we get to see Harry triumphant — BUT, cut immediately to Voldy-land, and the Dark Lord is laughing. "Enjoy it while you can, Harry Potter. Enjoy it while you can!" Then the words flash on the screen: TO BE CONTINUED...
Now that would have been a great movie. Steven Kloves should die and let me take over.
Lee Zion.
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saw it last night and definitely plan to see it again.
sober this time.
cause i don't remember a ferret scene.
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Saw the midnight showing Thursday night (well...technically Friday morning, if you're anal about that shit).
It was excellent.
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All of the parts missing from the movie that I COMPLETELY forgot about.
I had actually loved the movie, I saw it Thursday night/Friday morning. But I think that I enjoyed it so much because I didn't take the two days to re-read the book the movie was about. That completely wrecked the third one for me. The third one SUCKED.
When I was watching the film, I had completely and totally forgotten about Hermione's SPEW thing.
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There were some elements of GoF I liked, though. Like the fact that they were actually wearing their UNIFORMS this time around. In the third movie they were in street clothes for 75% of it. And I think that the main plot points they DID do were well done (aka the v. beginning of the World Cup, the dragon thing).
But LeeZion was right. The series would have been better served by splitting the movie into two. In retrospect.
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But that's not commercially viable. Don't you get it? Sheesh.
Saw it. Liked the theater I saw it in rather more than the film proper. It was a really nice theater - the Fox in Westwood (That's LA, for you non-SoCal people).
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Okay, what the hell people.
Willow.
First three movies:
(http://www.hp-lexicon.org/images/film/flitwick-film.jpg)
Goblet of Fire:
(http://www.warwickdavis.co.uk/images/flitwick_cutout.jpg)
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The Swan: Wizards Edition?
WHat? DON'TJUDGEME!
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I finally saw it this friday and it was good entertainment. The special effects were fantastic and everyone acted reasonably well. Though I would have liked Christopher Lee to be Voldemort, but I suppose he can't be the villain every time. And Ralph Fiennes did a good job anyway. Sure some of those teenager being awdward scenes made me cringe. But on the whole it was good, best Harry P movie to date.
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i saw it last night... it opened in theatres on the 26th here so i made myself not read this thread until now. yay!
i was wholly disappointed. the fourth book was my favorite but i thought the movie was junk. sure it looked good... the special effects were nice... but i just can't overlook the cut characters and scenes and the way things were changed. character development was practically zero and many of my favorite parts from the book were cut.
was anyone else completely unintimidated by voldemort? i thought he looked cool but then he started talking and all was lost. the voice... not nearly sinister enough.
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My two cents lifted from my post in another forums(pardon some of the language)...
As far as being faithful to the books goes, it was utter shit. I'd heard rumor that they were removing Dobby and Winky but WTF! So much cutting and a bit of "poetic liscense" here and there seriously fucked the pacing. Way to much "lets get this over with so we can hit the main plotpoints" business going on. What happened to classes? What about Bertha Jorkins? And Rita Skeeter the unregistered Animagus? I'm quite disgusted with this treatment. Nevertheless, I did enjoy the film for what it was, a mediocre movie loosley based on an excellent book. The SE were quite well done. Did anyone else think the Dragon scene dragged on a bit much(and we didn't even get to see the figure of the Chinese Fireball, lame)? I could go on for hours about what exactly was wrong, going into hundreds of minor details, additions, and omissions but I'm sure you already get the picture.
See it if you must, it's not the worst movie out there. True fans will be dissappointed though.
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Okay, what the hell people.
[Flitwick]
I KNOW
Anyways, the third film stank like a fish market but this one was excellent. Dobby's subplot, pardon my blasphemy, is utter shit, boring and unneccessary. Including his important figure in the plot would have been great; however, they smoothed it over by fleshing out Neville instead, a character who could seriously use some more dimension. The absence of Skeeter's subplot irked me, but again it was unneccessary. And you'll notice, too, that the Dursleys were also excised.
The film was made as a meat-and-potatoes version of the story, and by focusing on that, they accomplished what they set out to do. It was beautiful and well-written, if you can be arsed to put by-the-book purism aside.
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People who compare movies to the books they are based on infuriate me. THEY ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ART FORMS.
Books - Directed at a certain set of readers, make money via appeasing these sets of readers. Books that try to sell themselves to everyone always end up being tripe, ones that are specialized and write to a sub-audience are the ones that are successful. Books make money by pleasing the target audience.
Movies - Directed at the population as a whole, and thus a much larger and much different target audience. For movies that are going to be viewed on such a wide-scale as the Harry Potter movies, they have to appease a FUCKUVALOT more people, and a wider bredth of people types. In order for a movie to make money, they have to make a movie that will please just about everyone, and if that fucks over the (comparitively) small audience of people who read the books, then so be it.
The next time you see a movie of a book, don't expect it to be point-for-point true to the books. Try to view it as a movie, a piece of art on its own merits.
As far as a two-part Goblet of Fire, if they start doing that, there is no way these kids won't be twenty-five or twenty-six by the time the last movie gets done. These kids aren't getting any younger, and they have to get to the 8th movie before nobody can believe they're 18. So, two-parters are definitely out of the question.
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while it is true that movies and books are two completely different art forms, it is nigh impossible for a fan of the book to completely separate that from the movie. leaving out characters, changing the roles of characters, leaving out entire subplots.... while i do understand that a lot of stuff needs to be cut to keep the movie within time constraints, it still makes me sad. and yeah, that is going to have an effect on how i feel about the movie as a whole no matter how hard i try to not let it bother me.
you're right that people shouldn't go into a movie thinking that it will be exactly like the book. but i do think it's okay to expect some things to be the same, or at least similar.
that being said, i think it was kind of a junk movie. sure it was fun to watch and the special effects were good, but that just can't make up for poor character development and that rushed feeling i got from the movie. i obviously can't ignore what i know about the book, but even people that i know that have never read the books agree that the movie felt rushed, moody's character could have been made more interesting, voldemort wasn't scary enough, the passage of time was skewed and confusing...
but i guess nowadays all it takes to make an awesome movie are some great special effects...
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Agreed, special effects have gone amok in Hollywood. I don't dislike CGI on principle, but rather its effect on the look of movies. Instead of carefully crafted aesthetics, everything looks uniformly shiny, like a tech demo. "Look, bitches, we can do particle effects, and our HDR doesn't suck!" Compare Minority Report to Blade Runner, for example.
Special effects need to be used to support a movie's aesthetic, not define it. Ridley Scott is one of the few directors with enough integrity to craft a coherent world and use CGI as a tool instead of an end (witness the seamless depiction of Mogadishu in Black Hawk Down).
And, DAMN, was there a single shot in that movie that wasn't digitally embellished? It just got silly after a while.
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That's why i really like the sound of DOOM. It appears they relied more on robots than CGI.
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I was somewhat dissapointed in the movie, they cut too much out as far as I'm concerned. However, I was quite pleased with one little bit that they added onto in the Graveyard scene.
I was quite pleased with the whole Lucius/Voldemort interaction. I was hoping that they would keep at least some of that in the movie, and they did, thankfully. They even had Voldemort take off Lucius' mask which made everything so much better.
What I was most angry about them cutting was one of the ending scenes when everyone is in the hospital wing talking about the rise of the Dark Lord. In the book, Severus Snape marches up to Fudge, pulls up the sleeve of his robe, and displays his dark mark and provides a nifty explination.
Well that obviously didn't happen, and I'm quite angry. They should have kept that scene, it was the one I was looking forward too most of all. Though, they did make up for it by having a little Snape/Harry confrintation.:)
I saw the movie twice, and I had two diffrent reactions to Voldemort. At first, I was somewhat pleased that they got him to look slightly distorted and creepy. But the second time around, I found that he looked a little too built. Did you see the muscles on his arms? Plus, I didn't think I should have left the theater attracted to him. I like enough of the bad boys as it is.
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Now I realise that the reason I like the movie might actually be because I don't remember the book. In detail anyway, I speedread the books(except the fifth, took ages) and now I can't remember a bloody thing :|
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I think the only way to describe the movie is Cliff Notes with pictures...>_>
I was dissapointed by the ammount of stuff they left out (Dobby, colin, Rita, etc...). I understant cutting stuff out for length, but still.
Also, Voldemort wasn't scary enough...
Still, overall, it was a good movie.