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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: La Creme on 22 Nov 2005, 19:34

Title: Jazz
Post by: La Creme on 22 Nov 2005, 19:34

So yeah, it kills.

I'm learning this. (http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2O71C92AKH4EY2GK1QQTAGF6HZ)

Except not quite like that. Wes' interpretatoion does smash the original's skull and fuck its daughter(s) though...

*EDIT*
Also, I didn't put "Smooth Jazz" up there, because that shit is not music.

Title: Jazz
Post by: Inlander on 22 Nov 2005, 19:47

You lumped swing and Dixieland in together?  Come on, man!  They're completely different styles of jazz!!

Anyway, "What's your favourite style of jazz" questions lead to the worst kind of jazz snobbery (see the introduction to Gary Giddins' Visions of Jazz for an amusing take on this).  I listen to pretty much any kind of jazz.

Except fusion.  I'm not touching that shit with a barge-pole.

Title: Jazz
Post by: Kid Modernist on 22 Nov 2005, 19:50

Bossa Nova. I bought Joao Gilberto in Tokyo today actually.

Title: Jazz
Post by: ForteBass on 22 Nov 2005, 19:53

Fusion, man. Also, technically speaking Hard Bop and Fusion are modern jazz.

Title: Jazz
Post by: Tago Mago on 22 Nov 2005, 20:01

He probably means contemporary jazz, not modern as in post-war.

I hate to sound like a snob, but I picked free jazz. I adore Miles, Duke Ellington, Mingus, Monk, and all of them, but what I listen to the most is still Albert Ayler, Cecil Taylor, John Coltrane, or Pharoah Sanders.

Title: Jazz
Post by: Joseph on 22 Nov 2005, 20:42

I picked Cool jazz, ie. Miles Davise era.  I love Davis, Monk, and the jazz of that time over all other styles of jazz, though that's not saying that the other styles are bad in any way.

Title: Jazz
Post by: La Creme on 22 Nov 2005, 20:48

@Inlander: They got lumped together because their genesis(s?) occured close to eachother, and they both utilize larger bands, multiple horn lines, and swing-time. I know they are not the same. Also, having favorite types of jazz is not a bad thing. I love Hard Bop more than anything, but that doesn't mean I don't love jazz (if not just the general statement of 'music') in (almost) all its forms. Jazz (and music) snobbery is caused solely by a person being an asshole, which I am not. Also, if you don't like fusion, check out these three songs:

Miles Davis - What I Say
Herbie Hancock - Watermellon Man (the cut off of Headhunters)
Weather Report - Birdland

@Chuck: I said post-1985.I guess I should've called the choice Nu-Jazz/Experimental Jazz, but whatever.

@Sam: Sun Ra is sometimes free jazz, sometimes ultra-spazzy hard-bop, always experimental, and totally fucking mad. SUN RA IST KREIG!

@Tago Mago: Where is the Ornette in your free jazz? THE INVENTOR! THE INVENTOR!

Title: Jazz
Post by: Tago Mago on 22 Nov 2005, 21:07

Oh, I love Ornette! I read an absolutely devastating biography of him recently. He was actually beaten up on several occasions for playing his music in such a radical style.

Here, I've uploaded a killer jazz piece that everyone should hear. "Theme de Yoyo" by the Art Ensemble of Chicago. It's kind of a soul-free jazz thing.

http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2QQ7VP1X1GMYK29CYLEAD2JCDF

Title: Jazz
Post by: Inlander on 22 Nov 2005, 21:17

Quote from: La Creme

@Tago Mago: Where is the Ornette in your free jazz? THE INVENTOR! THE INVENTOR!

Mingus might have a word or two to say about that . . . You know, if he wasn't dead.  Pithecanthropus erectus, anyone?

Title: Jazz
Post by: Bunnyman on 22 Nov 2005, 21:58

Why must you make me choose between Jazz subgenres?  Why?

I did choose bop, because Bird, Dizzy, and Thelonious are amazing.  Swing is a close second, if only because no one can come close to the Duke.

Though one of my homeboys had me listen to some Joao Gilberto over the weekend, and I admit that Bossa is a definite contenda.

Any of you guys ever listen to much Cannonball?  Good stuff.

Title: Jazz
Post by: Kid Modernist on 22 Nov 2005, 21:58

Quote from: Awkward Silence

What would Sun Ra go under?

Free jazz, mos def. He's good stuff though. I listen to this song "Space is the Place" by him all the time.

Title: Jazz
Post by: IronOxide on 23 Nov 2005, 11:35

I like pretty much everything, but I'm lukewarm on fusion.

Title: Jazz
Post by: Praeserpium Machinarum on 23 Nov 2005, 12:44

I don't listen to jazz at all, I have tried to rectify that many times but I always end up not listening anyway. I have tried Duke Ellington and I am even sitting here with Miles Davis' Round about Midnight. But I just can't be arsed :|

I like Billie Holiday though, but I don't if her band plays jazz.

Title: Jazz
Post by: Mr. Oysterhead on 23 Nov 2005, 14:27

Medeski, Martin and Wood, a bunch of fusion bands, and Jaco Pastorius is some of my favorite music.

Title: Jazz
Post by: Inlander on 23 Nov 2005, 15:34

Quote from: Praeserpium Machinarum

I am even sitting here with Miles Davis' Round about Midnight. But I just can't be arsed :|

Please, please be arsed - that's such a gorgeous album!  If you can't listen to anything else, at least listen to the title track and to "Bye Bye Blackbird".

Quote from: Praeserpium Machinarum

I like Billie Holiday though, but I don't if her band plays jazz.

It most certainly does!  Well, for most of her recordings anyway.  Holiday recorded with some of the greatest jazz musicians who've ever lived.  Especially if you listen to her early stuff on Columbia, it's swing city!

Title: Jazz
Post by: Kai on 23 Nov 2005, 15:41

I have way too much jazz for a teenager. seriously. I'm very big on the free/fusion esque stuff, but really. Although there is a good amount of really bad, bland, uninspired jazz.


And Sun Ra wins, always.

Title: Jazz
Post by: SpacemanSpiff on 23 Nov 2005, 15:50

I can't decide. On the one hand, I've always been a sucker for stuff like Dave Brubeck and also some swing, because let's face it, swing is the best music if you want to drive around the block with music turned up to full volume.

On the other hand, I like whatever the hell stuff like The Flying Luttenbachers are classified as. Free Jazz meets death metal or something? I guess so. Also, Sun Ra wins, definitely.

Title: Jazz
Post by: La Creme on 23 Nov 2005, 17:12

@Bunnyman: Heck yes, Adderly brings the jive. Basically, he is a slightly watered-down Bird, but still awesome.

@Oysterhead: You like MMW? Check out the Bad Plus. They will fuck your skull in mightily.

@Kai: It is impossible to have too muich jazz. Impossible.

@Everyone: Where is the Lee Morgan love? LEE FUCKING MORGAN IS FOR GO!!