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Title: Nirvana Anyone?
Post by: ProphetHobo on 30 Dec 2005, 14:29
Anyone here listen to Nirvana?I sure hope so, because otherwise this topic is useless...

This is where you chime in with discussion, viewers at home.
Title: Nirvana Anyone?
Post by: ozphactor on 30 Dec 2005, 14:36
I smell a shitstorm...
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Post by: Thrillho on 30 Dec 2005, 14:37
You're going to get raped for this thread.

I don't care, really.

I think Nirvana are a band who are both overrated and underrated.

They're overrated by those who love them for being some earth shatteringly original band, when they weren't really. They were good, but not that great.

However, Kurt Cobain's songwriting was quirky, and quite interesting; he often used fairly odd chord sequences to make poppy melodies. Good stuff.
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Post by: drpepper_phd on 30 Dec 2005, 15:26
I'll just leave it at this: Nirvana was a mediocre band, not the best band ever as some believe, but not the worst ever either. I mean, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was a great song no matter how you look at it. However, Kurt Cobain was no martyr, and because he killed himself, we have Courtney Love to deal with.
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Post by: Cap'n Spoonie on 30 Dec 2005, 15:51
Uh, I like Nirvana.
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Post by: Willem on 30 Dec 2005, 15:58
yes, i love nirvana but there isn't anything interesting left to say anymore (and that includes all the hipster people who complain about how overrated they are how annoying this and how irritating that blabla (I don't mean you dynamite kid). we know by now and if we forget we can dig up a radiohead topic or something like that because it must've been mentioned there too)
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Post by: Kai on 30 Dec 2005, 17:19
No. No we won't dig up a radiohead topic. I mean, remember last time?
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Post by: Inlander on 30 Dec 2005, 17:30
I'm curious to know how many people who diss Nirvana on this forum came of age in the 90s and grew up with the music.  I think maybe people my age (born 1979) have a much greater affection for the band and their music than for younger folk.
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Post by: Hat on 30 Dec 2005, 18:10
Quote from: DynamiteKid
I think Nirvana are a band who are both overrated and underrated


Boo-yah.

I have a soft spot in my heart for Nirvana, but they aren't that great.

Still, the intro for Territorial Pissings is one of my favorite things ever.
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Post by: Outshined on 30 Dec 2005, 18:37
Hahaha.  I was born in '85, but whenever I'd ride around with my mom in the car we'd always listen to the radio, and so I grew up listening to the grunge that was popular then.  (I'd have been about 8 when grunge was at it's height? I was interested in any kind of music that didn't sound like my mom's Eric Clapton at the time, lol) So yeah, I guess you could say I have a kind of nostalgia for Nirvana, and while we're at it, you can add Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and the like.
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Post by: El Opium on 30 Dec 2005, 18:46
I must say that I currently have no particular love for nirvana but I'm not going to downplay the influence thay had on my musical taste. Anyway, Kurt downplayed his own band and told people to go listen to bands who had influenced his. I took his advice and became a fan of the following bands:
Sonic Youth
Wipers
Meat Puppets
Flipper
The Pixies

One of my friends is a Courtney Love fan, which is amusing when we meet nirvana freaks.
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Post by: lastclearchance on 30 Dec 2005, 19:32
Quote from: Inlander
I'm curious to know how many people who diss Nirvana on this forum came of age in the 90s and grew up with the music.  I think maybe people my age (born 1979) have a much greater affection for the band and their music than for younger folk.


Outshined kinda touched on this, but as an 84 baby I thought I'd throw in. I was one of those kids you older ones hated for liking grunge without getting it. I don't have music nostalgia really though. The only band I'm I ever really nostalgic for is Smashing Pumpkins. But it probably means something that of all the actual grunge I had the only CDs I kept were Nevermind and In Utero. Beyond that I still have "Black Hole Sun" and "Jeremy" on my computer, but the other grunge is gone.
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Post by: Liam on 30 Dec 2005, 20:16
I liked In Utero, but Nevermind didn't really cut it for me, with the exception of Lithium.

I really love the sound of Cobain's voice, and his songwriting is superb and original. He has the Black Francis appeal of being able to write ambiguous wordplay, and I really dig that kind of thing.

Nirvana is a bit dark for me, though, so I don't listen to them too much.

That's my two cents.
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Post by: RUMBLEMOOSE on 30 Dec 2005, 20:33
I'm a product of '82, most of my peers had a very serious and intense love affair with Nirvana. After Kurt Cobain parted ways with most of his skull, we all mourned and what not, but somewhere along the line we all got into different music. I think Nirvana was fabulous in context, if you were sick of slick Motownphilly New Jack Swing or oversafe commercial rap or the strung-out dregs of the tail-end of the hair metal movement. I personally had just come out of the phase where one listens strictly to "Weird Al" Yankovic and classic rock, so it was pretty damn illuminating to me.

And more importantly, Nirvana's success really dragged a lot of good indie bands into the spotlight, and even if they were only there for a moment the exposure has changed American popular music for better or worse. Matador getting bought and then dropped by Capitol, the Flaming Lips breaking even on a record for the first time in ten years, Spoon getting signed and then dropped, so forth. And then there's all the bands Cobain would name-check, like Sonic Youth and the Melvins and Boredoms and the people El Opium mentioned.

Without all that contextual importance: Nirvana were a solid Northwest punk band. They were one of the better bands of their scene, and Cobain showed some promise and interest in becoming a talented songwriter.

This is my take on it.
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Post by: Inlander on 30 Dec 2005, 21:13
Quote from: Inlander
I think maybe people my age (born 1979) have a much greater affection for the band and their music than for younger folk.


Don't know where that rogue "for" came from.  Didn't mean to imply that I'm hating on the kids!  Just that the kids don't seem to dig Nirvana.  Ya dig?
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Post by: Luke on 30 Dec 2005, 21:15
I haven't had the opportunity to listen to Nirvana in more than probably a dozen instances, but I like what I've heard.

This shouldn't be the kind of forum where we smell shitstorms every time someone starts a thread about a popular band. Seriously, we're better than that.

Addition: I dig.
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Post by: Storm Rider on 30 Dec 2005, 21:33
Quote from: drpepper_phd
I mean, "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was a great song no matter how you look at it.


Except for, you know, the boring and crappy stuff.

Nirvana itself wasn't bad, but all the shitty Nirvana knockoffs (aka: grunge) is the part that bothers me. Bringing back minimalist music was not good.
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Post by: Outshined on 30 Dec 2005, 22:26
Building off what Moose said: Nirvana kind of symbolized the end of one era of American musical taste and the beginning of a new one... they may not have been the best band, but they struck a chord somehow and shook things up.  I imagine, eventually, another band will emerge and play a similar role when contemporary music changes faces again (I'm kind of waiting for an indie band to go massively popular... that genre of music seems to be moving into the mainstream as a replacement for rock, or at least it seems so from my perspective.)  Then everybody will get tired of the new genre, start ragging on it's major figures, and the musical circle of life will continue.
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Post by: practicality on 31 Dec 2005, 00:34
I like some of their songs... Smells Like Teen Spirit, Lithium, Heart Shaped Box, Polly, and Rape Me (despite the unfortunate name and lyrics). The others are okay... if I listen to too much, it just starts sounding like shrieking.
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Post by: TrueNeutral on 31 Dec 2005, 04:55
I always preferred Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains. Nirvana, to me, was always the weaker of 'the Seattle Sound'. Doesn't mean I don't like it. I've recently, for some reason, gotten back into a grunge phase so I think I'll like all grunge. Yay Mudhoney.

Not sad that Nirvana broke up. Without that happening, I don't think The Foo Fighters would be where they are today, and I'm a big Foo Fighters fan.

Also, Kurt was kind of an asshole. Not to say that Cornell and Vedder weren't.
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Post by: Cpt.Fantastic on 31 Dec 2005, 07:45
Quote from: Liam
but Nevermind didn't really cut it for me, with the exception of Lithium.

Lithium is my favourite Nirvana song, EVAR.

Count me in on this, 2000-02 I was a huge Nirvana fan, bordering on obsessive, then I kinda burned out on them. I got my new, sexy, huge iPod for Christmas and dug out my Nirvana greatest hits album (the black one), put it on there and spent an hour or so living in the past, and I enjoyed parts.

Hurt me if you must.
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Post by: Kai on 31 Dec 2005, 13:22
Quote from: Inlander
 Just that the kids don't seem to dig Nirvana.  Ya dig?


Have you been to a high school lately?  Nirvana shirts and whatnot ahoy. Ever had a musical discussion with high school kids? Nirvana ahoy. Or maybe Austrailia is cooler than us in that respect.
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Post by: practicality on 31 Dec 2005, 22:27
Kai, I'm surprised to hear that Nirvana is popular at high schools. Everyone with the exception of two or three people hates Nirvana... then again, that might be because most of them are wealthy and trying to be 'gangsta' by listening to rap.

But really, I'm surprised. Even at the two public schools here, Nirvana is something everyone has heard of, but no one's really interested in.
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Post by: Outshined on 31 Dec 2005, 23:24
On the same token, it can be argued that everyone had heard of bands like the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and Jimi Hendrix.  Do all kids in high school listen to these bands because they were really big at one time?  No.  Kids nowadays are mostly only interested in what is contemporary to them.
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Post by: Der Golem on 31 Dec 2005, 23:36
Actually, 'round here kids are stuck in some golden age of rock 'n roll, 80% of them believing Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd to be the greatest band there was. Kinda sad, cause most of them dismiss anything that isn't from that era, usually with a "it's not bad, but Zeppelin/Pink Floyd is better" and then never listen to the song again. If I sound incoherent (which I am trying not to be) it is beacause it's 7:30 am here and I'm still awake.
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Post by: Hat on 31 Dec 2005, 23:53
In high-school, pretty much everyone I knew that liked Zeppelin and The Beatles loved Nirvana as well. I haven't met many Nirvana fans with terrible taste in music.
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Post by: Octillus on 01 Jan 2006, 01:09
Drain You is still my favorite song to this day.
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Post by: Kai on 01 Jan 2006, 04:39
Quote from: Outshined
On the same token, it can be argued that everyone had heard of bands like the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and Jimi Hendrix.  Do all kids in high school listen to these bands because they were really big at one time?  No.  Kids nowadays are mostly only interested in what is contemporary to them.


Oh, Led Zeppelin and Hendrix (And to a lesser extent, The Beatles) are fairly huge. Der Golem hit the nail on the head, really.
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Post by: Coonstar on 01 Jan 2006, 09:35
I go to a Canadian highschool (but the stats may not be up to average because we're like 80% immigrant kids) at least 80% of the body has HEARD of Nirvana, and the only band shirts around I see are:

a.) Nirvana
b.) My Chemical Romance
c.) The Used
d.) Metallica

Most kids have heard of the important classic rock bands like Led Zeppelin and stuff but the handful who actually are INTO rock that's not Top 50 pretty much just stick to either basic grunge or classic rock. Maybe some "Indie" bands too but like bad mediocre ones like The Trews.
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Post by: ASturge on 01 Jan 2006, 09:46
I really do hate Nirvana.

I'm allowed to say that yes?
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Post by: Outshined on 01 Jan 2006, 11:50
Of course, Sturge =).  Of course, if you also hated Iron & Wine, then I'd have to knife you ;)
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Post by: nescience on 01 Jan 2006, 11:53
Ooh ooh, I hate Iron & Wine!  Knife away.
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Post by: ASturge on 01 Jan 2006, 12:02
Quote from: Outshined
Of course, Sturge =).  Of course, if you also hated Iron & Wine, then I'd have to knife you ;)


Haha.

No worries. Iron & Wine are a good band.
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Post by: Valrus on 01 Jan 2006, 13:15
Quote from: nescience
Ooh ooh, I hate Iron & Wine!  Knife away.


KNIFE YOU
Title: Nirvana Anyone?
Post by: Hat on 01 Jan 2006, 14:42
Quote from: ASturge
I really do hate Nirvana.

I'm allowed to say that yes?


Man, I will skull fuck you if you try to have an opinion ever again. Jesus Christ, what do you think this is, the internet?
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Post by: ASturge on 01 Jan 2006, 14:51
Holy god I am quoting that.
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Post by: Merkava on 01 Jan 2006, 15:45
Quote from: El Opium
I must say that I currently have no particular love for nirvana but I'm not going to downplay the influence thay had on my musical taste. Anyway, Kurt downplayed his own band and told people to go listen to bands who had influenced his. I took his advice and became a fan of the following bands:
Sonic Youth
Wipers
Meat Puppets
Flipper
The Pixies

One of my friends is a Courtney Love fan, which is amusing when we meet nirvana freaks.


Where's Teenage Fanclub? Didn't Kurt say they were the best band ever? :D

I like Nirvana. Now that I really listen to it, I see where people get off calling them brilliant. Kurt was an alright songwriter, but putting him up on a pedestal so high is just silly.
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Post by: ProphetHobo on 01 Jan 2006, 22:57
Quote from: TrueNeutral
I always preferred Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Alice in Chains. Nirvana, to me, was always the weaker of 'the Seattle Sound'. Doesn't mean I don't like it. I've recently, for some reason, gotten back into a grunge phase so I think I'll like all grunge. Yay Mudhoney.

Not sad that Nirvana broke up. Without that happening, I don't think The Foo Fighters would be where they are today, and I'm a big Foo Fighters fan.

Also, Kurt was kind of an asshole. Not to say that Cornell and Vedder weren't.


I also like some of Soundgarden's work and a lot of Alice in Chains.

Sorry if I brought up a subject of conflict, I'm still pretty new here. I pretty much just took the band playing on Winamp at the moment and made a topic. Now we can only wonder what would have happened had I been listening to 46 and 2 at the time.
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Post by: El Opium on 01 Jan 2006, 23:00
The list I made was just bands I started listening to as a result of hearing about them via nirvana, I'm sure there are plenty of others that Kurt vouched for whom I never picked up on I can think of Mudhoney, The Melvins and the Vaselines off the top of my head.
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Post by: Edder on 03 Jan 2006, 02:17
Personally, I love Nirvana. They're amazing. But I think that almost every band is amazing, so that doesn't make them too special.

Overall, they were a great addition to an awesome era.
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Post by: elcapitan on 03 Jan 2006, 02:35
I enjoy Nirvana, but as far as grunge goes, I prefer Soundgarden. Much more complicated tunes, and deeper lyrics too.
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Post by: Kid Modernist on 03 Jan 2006, 02:53
I like Unplugged in New York a lot. A lot a lot.
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Post by: Inlander on 03 Jan 2006, 04:11
Man, there's one heart-breaking moment in the video of that concert where Kurt's singing "Where Did You Sleep Last Night?", and right at the end he pauses, and suddenly he has the most pained look on his face you'll ever see.  When my mum heard a Nirvana C.D. (In Utero, I think) shortly after he killed himself, she said: "He sounds miserable."  Somehow when we were kids we all missed it, or thought it was some kind of romance of the suffering artist or some bullshit.