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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: sarge on 04 Mar 2006, 01:52
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ok everyone who likes this shit reply
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when i say shit as the fucking greatness of it all
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I like some metal. You know what's really metal? Correct punctuation, grammar and spelling.
Some metal bands who encourage this are:
3 Inches of Blood
Dragonforce
Scum
Iron Maiden
My favourites. So yeah, people like their language used properly round here. Just giving you a heads up.
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I like some metal. You know what's really metal? Correct punctuation, grammar and spelling.
Some metal bands who encourage this are:
3 Inches of Blood
Dragonforce
Scum
Iron Maiden
My favourites. So yeah, people like their language used properly round here. Just giving you a heads up.
They also like to...you know...not make posts that look as moronic as his.
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your fucking everywhere the hell listen to good bands to for fuck sake howz about korn slipknot didterbed drowning pool mudvayne system of a down static-x metals fucking Awsem and for the last time bad grammber sucks on the hairy man balls lets spell things wrong nife elctric lol spazingms fucking hell losen up wat are your british (no ofence british but so far as i can tel ya all go to privite schools) the fuck
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ya know wat you are a FUCKING NO GOOD EMO METAL HATING ASSWIPE go kill yaself in a ditch im not harse like this most of the time but seriosly you go to this link and say ya like it not complane whinny son o bitch
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ok i got pissed of at you guys cause i got in to some deep shit im sorry and for the rest of this reply i will use proper grammer there. damn
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Oh, I'm sorry. We thought you meant different bands, not just one band over and over again with different people playing the same music. Stop being such a tool.
Excluding System of a Down.
Oh, and by the way? According to the my government, my family's income officially makes me part of a poverty family, and I go to a public school. Money has nothing to do with intelligence, thank you.
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Is this guy for real?
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Either way, he's fucking RETARDED. I mean, all British people go to private schools? Like, what the fuck? Are you serious?
I'm pretty sure that all those bands you listed are the exact arguement against ever listening to heavy metal ever.
Anyways. 3 Inches of Blood are ace, and Advance and Vanquish is one of my favorite metal albums ever. Testament are amazing. Symphony X are probably one of my favorite prog metal bands. Finntroll are shitloads of fun. Skyclad win the folk award (At least with the two albums I have, Wayward Sons of Mother Earth and Prince of the Poverty Line). And of course, you can't go wrong with the Maiden. (Well, technically you can; The X-Factor, anyone?)
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Either way, he's fucking RETARDED. I mean, all British people go to private schools? Like, what the fuck? Are you serious?
But we do! I swear!
We all live in castles!
And drink tea!
ALL FUCKING DAY!
Just like you're all cowboys who wear a horse to work. Right...?
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Oh yeah, we're all about the fucking rodeos.
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I'm pretty sure that all those bands you listed are the exact arguement against ever listening to heavy metal ever.
I feel bad for System Of A Down. Their fans are retarted.
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I'm pretty sure that all those bands you listed are the exact arguement against ever listening to heavy metal ever.
I feel bad for System Of A Down. Their fans are retarted.
Is that another way of saying that they're sweet? Or does the re-tarting cancel it out and make them more of a 'bitter'?
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I, for one, welcome our retarded 13 year old metal fan overlords.
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I like Lead.
And Cesium. Cesium is pretty chill.
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My dad makes that joke all the time. *sigh*
I'm a fan of some metal. Generally the more popular stuff (in the metal community at least) like In Flames, Nightwish, Iced Earth, Demons and Wizards, Blind Guardian and stuff like that. I like power metal, but not overly cheesy power metal (the stuff I like tends to toe the line pretty consistently).
Just like you're all cowboys who wear a horse to work. Right...?
Um... Yes?
Is that another way of saying that they're sweet? Or does the re-tarting cancel it out and make them more of a 'bitter'?
Okay, that was one of the greatest things ever said.
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Is that another way of saying that they're sweet? Or does the re-tarting cancel it out and make them more of a 'bitter'?
My finger sliped. Causing me to misspell.
Big deal.
But I think bitter would be appropriate.
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Just like you're all cowboys who wear a horse to work. Right...?
Um... Yes?
You heard me.
This is the second time I've done that. 'wear a horse to work and ride a ten-gallon hat.'
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Did buy a Nevermore album once, it got old quick and I gave it away.
You.. GAVE AWAY a Nevermore album?!
A Nevemore album?!
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You gave away Dead Heart In A Dead World, one of thier best and the one that got me into Nevermore. Buy it, totally worth it.
And yeah, I use to do that too until I realized that those people were assholes that they were using me. But once you show them that your done with their shit, the people who wont stick around anyway will leave you alone and you'll be left with your real friends.
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They also like to...you know...not make posts that look as moronic as his.
Call the Waaaaaaaaahmbulance son. Either way, it got the point across to him didn't it? This kid is getting the new sig quote. I <3 him.
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And of course, you can't go wrong with the Maiden. (Well, technically you can; The X-Factor, anyone?)
OK, I totally disagree with this. The Blaze era is so underrated it's not even funny. Maiden's low point was No Prayer for the Dying, hands down.
And The X-Factor is the better of the two Blaze albums by far. Man on the Edge, kthanxbai.
Kickass metal bands include, but are not limited to: Testament, Nevermore, Symphony X, Iced Earth, Death, and early Megadeth.
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Oh man, do NOT remind me of No Prayer for the Dying. It's pretty shittastical. I mean, Bring Your Daughter To the Slaughter is on it (And it's totally, IMO, the worst song they ever wrote).
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Easily. Ironically, Bruce is a pretty good songwriter (he did Revelations, among others), and obviously his solo stuff is great. I don't know what they were thinking with that one, but obviously, it becomes their only #1 hit.
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And if that's anything to say about the hit system, I don't know what is. But yeah, Bruce is a great songwriter. I mean, he wrote Book of Thel. Total awesome right there.
Also, wasn't that song in a movie or something too?
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Book of Thel is totally one of my favorite songs ever. Just the way he says 'rrrripped undone' makes it all worthwhile.
Also, I think you're right about Maiden being in a movie at that time, but I seem to think it was Holy Smoke instead of Bring Your Daughter. Not that Holy Smoke is a much better song.
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Dunno, I never liked the "typical metal" bands (Iron Maiden, Testament etc..).
I allways look for somthing strange and interesting - bands like Atheist, Skyclad, Meshuggah, Isis, Pain Of Salvation, ...And Oceans, Anata, Edge of Sanity, Agalloch and such..
And I'm a huge fan of doom metal ala My Dying Bride, Katatonia, Paradise Lost, Anathema, Novembers Doom and more.
"Regular" metal just makes me sleepy, seriously.
Edit: Holy Smoke is a great song.
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You know something else? Those kids listenned to pretty much all of the examples of 'metal' that Sarge did. I'm not sure what that means...
Inbreeding.
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This kid is getting the new sig quote. I <3 him.
Haha. I'm probably in about the 90th percentile as far as grammar nazis go, but that is a fucking great sig. Word salad FTW.
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You know something else? Those kids listenned to pretty much all of the examples of 'metal' that Sarge did. I'm not sure what that means...
Inbreeding.
Some of us like to call it 'pure breeding.'
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And I call em' godamn zombies!
Ima gonna get me shotgun, ya'll round up those undead Slipknot fans, ya hear?
Gonna get us some gooood poser huntin' tonight.
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And I call em' godamn zombies!
Ima gonna get me shotgun, ya'll round up those undead Slipknot fans, ya hear?
Gonna get us some gooood poser huntin' tonight.
I can see the headlines: "MASSACRE AT HOT TOPIC. Medal of Honour awarded"
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List of great and wonderful metal:
Iron Maiden
Amorphis-(Tales of the Thousand Lakes being my only experience)
Sirenia-(Only their first album)
Amon Amarth
Black Sabbath
Skyclad
And my personal favorite, Wintersun.
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Amorphis are great; Tales... is my favorite. Alot of people will tell your Elegy is their best. Get that too.
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Faith No More are wonderful, although they're definitely not straight-up metal. Angel Dust is a pretty metal album, though. You can't go wrong with Iron Maiden, and lately I've been enjoying Mastodon and Slayer. Tool are also good, if you don't mind Maynard's cryptic psychobabble.
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Dunno, I never liked the "typical metal" bands (Iron Maiden, Testament etc..).
I allways look for somthing strange and interesting - bands like Atheist, Skyclad, Meshuggah, Isis, Pain Of Salvation, ...And Oceans, Anata, Edge of Sanity, Agalloch and such..
And I'm a huge fan of doom metal ala My Dying Bride, Katatonia, Paradise Lost, Anathema, Novembers Doom and more.
"Regular" metal just makes me sleepy, seriously.
So wait... you find doom less sleep inducing than any other types? How the hell does that work?
Isis is fucking great, as is Pain of Salvation. I still haven't been able to find anything by Skyclad.
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I had to special order Princ eof the Poverty Line. Took a month and then some. Worth every day.
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Dunno, I never liked the "typical metal" bands (Iron Maiden, Testament etc..).
I allways look for somthing strange and interesting - bands like Atheist, Skyclad, Meshuggah, Isis, Pain Of Salvation, ...And Oceans, Anata, Edge of Sanity, Agalloch and such..
And I'm a huge fan of doom metal ala My Dying Bride, Katatonia, Paradise Lost, Anathema, Novembers Doom and more.
"Regular" metal just makes me sleepy, seriously.
So wait... you find doom less sleep inducing than any other types? How the hell does that work?
Isis is fucking great, as is Pain of Salvation. I still haven't been able to find anything by Skyclad.
You use DC++? I have some of their stuff, I'll totally send it.
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Haha. I'm probably in about the 90th percentile as far as grammar nazis go, but that is a fucking great sig. Word salad FTW.
what you think mi sig cool then gay caus e you cant listn to trrrruuue metal! yeah.
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I think most metal is pretty shit. I like Pantera and Metallica (and Megadeth in very short doses) but most metal's just crappy riffs and guitarists trying to outdo each other by either cramming a ridiculous amount of notes into their shitty little guitar solos or trying to outdo each other by seeing who can detune their low E string the most. The double bass drum or double pass pedal is also a bit of a shit invention. I think Poison the Well are the only band I've ever heard use it effectively because if you have the bass drum too loud it doesn't fill the low end. It has nothing interesting to it, just a load of beats on the bass drum except really rapid - big deal. Most metal riffs sound exactly the same, as do the endlessly long solos and death/black metal vocals are just terrible. (This is just my opinion though, don't all you metal fans be taking any offence now :) )
I like Ensiferum though, folk metal, it's kind of fun.
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Poison the Well are fucking TERRIBLE.
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Dunno, I never liked the "typical metal" bands (Iron Maiden, Testament etc..).
I allways look for somthing strange and interesting - bands like Atheist, Skyclad, Meshuggah, Isis, Pain Of Salvation, ...And Oceans, Anata, Edge of Sanity, Agalloch and such..
And I'm a huge fan of doom metal ala My Dying Bride, Katatonia, Paradise Lost, Anathema, Novembers Doom and more.
"Regular" metal just makes me sleepy, seriously.
So wait... you find doom less sleep inducing than any other types? How the hell does that work?
Isis is fucking great, as is Pain of Salvation. I still haven't been able to find anything by Skyclad.
Yeah, I do.
I rather lisrten to My Dying Bride then to Iron Maiden any time. Its strange, but I do find slow depressive doom metal more interesting then fast chuga-chuga riffing heavy metal.
Plus, most doom metal bands started out as death metal.
If you use soulseek, I can send you an album of skyclad.
I cant find anything of theirs here in israel, next week I'm going to order their stuff on-line. Same goes for Isis.
And POS are just genius.
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I think most metal is pretty shit. I like Pantera and Metallica (and Megadeth in very short doses) but most metal's just crappy riffs and guitarists trying to outdo each other by either cramming a ridiculous amount of notes into their shitty little guitar solos or trying to outdo each other by seeing who can detune their low E string the most. The double bass drum or double pass pedal is also a bit of a shit invention. I think Poison the Well are the only band I've ever heard use it effectively because if you have the bass drum too loud it doesn't fill the low end. It has nothing interesting to it, just a load of beats on the bass drum except really rapid - big deal. Most metal riffs sound exactly the same, as do the endlessly long solos and death/black metal vocals are just terrible. (This is just my opinion though, don't all you metal fans be taking any offence now :) )
I like Ensiferum though, folk metal, it's kind of fun.
Pantera? Oh God, I'm sorry. You're entitled to your own opinion, but I put forth that you haven't listened to the right metal. Most of what is classified as metal is crap (in my opinion). However, if you manage to find the right bands, it's really awesome.
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Yeah, Pantera are pretty fucking terrible too.
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I had to special order Princ eof the Poverty Line. Took a month and then some. Worth every day.
I would go as far to suggest that Sins Of Emission/Land Of The Rising Slum/The One Piece Puzzle/A Bellyful Of Emptiness is the best run of unbe-fucking-lievable songs on an album ever, and A Dog In the Manger only loses out by being not quite as wierd. Womb of the Worm though. Fuck.
Do I listen to metal? Are bears catholic? Does the pope shit in the woods? But as always, this forum is so blimmin' pussy and predictable :p. Props to Misereatur, fucking nice list, but people, people, people. No mention I've seen* of Burzum, Carpathian Forest, Bloodbath, Ancient Rites, Immortal, Waylander, Cryptic Wintermoon, Bathory, Ewigkeit, Darkthrone, Korpiklaani, Aborym, Venom, Running Wild, Crotchduster, Bal-Sagoth, The Berzerker, Isengard, Borknagar, Bolt Thrower, Crown of Autumn, Star One, The Count Nosferatu Kommando, Grave, Orkrist, Turisas, Sigh, Candlemass, Horna, Arcturus, Wyrd, Silent Stream of Godless Elegy, Abigail, Vintersorg, Nazgul, Sabbat, Anaal Nathrakh, Cruachan or Municipal Waste? People! I have not been tutoring you correctly!
Has anyone even said Mercyful Fate or Judas Priest yet? Please say yes.
Also, before we go on a convenient bender of inverse class snobbery, I'm a public school boy. Though, I will admit, I do have a partial scholarship.
*At least five of these bands WILL actually have been mentioned in the thread.
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I was totally going to make a full list but I'm a lazy fucker.
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I was totally going to make a full list but I'm a lazy fucker.
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That's not even a full list. That's just basically my more obscure favourite bands minus all the goth rock, industrial and neo-folk.
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I know. But I'm still far too much of a lazy fucker to do any of this, really.
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I totally didn't even bother looking on iTunes for Skyclad until just now. They have Prince of the Poverty Line, Folkemon, and Silent Whales of the Lunar Seas. What would be some good songs to get off those three albums?
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Shit, just buy Prince of the Poverty Line.
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Twice.
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Has anyone even said Mercyful Fate or Judas Priest yet? Please say yes.
I don't think so, actually. The people who like the bands figured they were far too obvious, I'm guessing (that's what I did).
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I was gonna post something here, but I realized it would just be metal masturbation, as I don't have anything new to contribute.
metalurbation
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I don't think so, actually. The people who like the bands figured they were far too obvious, I'm guessing (that's what I did).
Possibly. But I'd also say that, if you wanted to get a pretty good idea of what, at it's root, just listen to Mercyful Fate - Evil and Judas Priest - All Guns Blazing. It will straighten your teeth and enlarge your penis.
Even if you do not have one.
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Do I listen to metal? Are bears catholic? Does the pope shit in the woods? But as always, this forum is so blimmin' pussy and predictable :p. Props to Misereatur, fucking nice list, but people, people, people. No mention I've seen of Burzum
Has anyone even said Mercyful Fate or Judas Priest yet? Please say yes.
I'm jewish. If I see Burzum I'd like to stab his eyes out and piss in the bleeding holes. And I think his music is godawful.
Dont get me wrong, I have alot of respect for you, I just fucking hate Burzum.
That being said, I only mentioned a very small part of the music I listen to. I thought a full list would just be too long and will be considerd spam.
And yes, Mercyful Fate are absolutly brilliant. The best Penis enlarging metal band.
Plus, Mercyful Fate, Celtic Frost and Venom pretty much invented black metal.
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I'm not a nazi. Jeez. And it's not as if Burzum is even nazi music, really. Varg is a nazi, but Burzum itself is probably only about as nationalistic as, say, Wagner. It's widely ackowledged Varg is a complete cunt (though I find him a somewhat more interesting cunt since I learned the majority of online Burzum interviews are fake. Still only interesting in the same way as, say, Stalin. I'd love to mix his personal accounts and the newspaper and police reports to make a film of the whole inner circle crap that didn't sensationalise or romanticise anything), but I simply find him an extremely good minimalist BM and dark/black ambient composer/musician, and some Burzum tracks (War, Ea, Lord of the Depths, Han Som Reiste, Dunkelheit, Tomhet) are just among my favourite ever. I simply dissosciate music and man. I can only listen to nazi shit if I can't hear it in the lyrics. I mean, I like me a bit of Nokturnal Mortum as well, but I simply had to delete 'Call of the Aryan Spirit' because shit like that is just awful. I mean, fair enough, loathe him, but I cannot more disagree on the music. At the very least, you have to acknowledge that his works are extremely seminal. I myself would count Burzum as a musical influence, and his mixing of ambient and even trance elements into the composition of raw black metal has spawned some great stuff. You wouldn't have Wyrd without Burzum, for example. Only thing is, of all my favourite bands, I would simply never buy a Burzum album or official Burzum merchandise. Which is kind of a pity because it's pretty much the only way to get Theodor Kittelsen t-shirts, but there you go.
At least if you don't like Burzum as Burzum, download Ewigkeit's cover of Ea, Lord of the Deeps (called 'Ea 2000: Out For the Count'). He totally takes the piss out of it with zany samples and pirate backing vocals mocking the lyrics, and yet still makes it awesome grim shit. I love it. But then, I practically worship Jim Fogarty and all his works as if he were a God, which I'm not convinced he isn't.
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Possibly. But I'd also say that, if you wanted to get a pretty good idea of what, at it's root, just listen to Mercyful Fate - Evil and Judas Priest - All Guns Blazing. It will straighten your teeth and enlarge your penis.
True. I just figure it's like someone popping up and asking, "Do you listen to classical music?" and 50 people responding with Mozart at the top of their list. Yes, they're great and vitally important, but if you don't know them already, you should probably be shot. Twice. In the spleen.
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I think most metal is pretty shit. I like Pantera and Metallica (and Megadeth in very short doses) but most metal's just crappy riffs and guitarists trying to outdo each other by either cramming a ridiculous amount of notes into their shitty little guitar solos or trying to outdo each other by seeing who can detune their low E string the most. The double bass drum or double pass pedal is also a bit of a shit invention. I think Poison the Well are the only band I've ever heard use it effectively because if you have the bass drum too loud it doesn't fill the low end. It has nothing interesting to it, just a load of beats on the bass drum except really rapid - big deal. Most metal riffs sound exactly the same, as do the endlessly long solos and death/black metal vocals are just terrible. (This is just my opinion though, don't all you metal fans be taking any offence now :) )
I like Ensiferum though, folk metal, it's kind of fun.
Pantera? Oh God, I'm sorry. You're entitled to your own opinion, but I put forth that you haven't listened to the right metal. Most of what is classified as metal is crap (in my opinion). However, if you manage to find the right bands, it's really awesome.
I'm quite interested in thrash metal actually but I don't really know much about it.
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I'm not too familiar with thrash metal, but I listen to some Metallica, some Motorhead, a bunch of Megadeth (though, a bunch of their later stuff isn't really thrash), as much as I can of The Crown, but that's about all I know of thrash. There are numerous other people here who know a lot more about thrash than I.
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I'm not a nazi. Jeez. And it's not as if Burzum is even nazi music, really. Varg is a nazi, but Burzum itself is probably only about as nationalistic as, say, Wagner. It's widely ackowledged Varg is a complete cunt (though I find him a somewhat more interesting cunt since I learned the majority of online Burzum interviews are fake. Still only interesting in the same way as, say, Stalin. I'd love to mix his personal accounts and the newspaper and police reports to make a film of the whole inner circle crap that didn't sensationalise or romanticise anything), but I simply find him an extremely good minimalist BM and dark/black ambient composer/musician, and some Burzum tracks (War, Ea, Lord of the Depths, Han Som Reiste, Dunkelheit, Tomhet) are just among my favourite ever. I simply dissosciate music and man. I can only listen to nazi shit if I can't hear it in the lyrics. I mean, I like me a bit of Nokturnal Mortum as well, but I simply had to delete 'Call of the Aryan Spirit' because shit like that is just awful. I mean, fair enough, loathe him, but I cannot more disagree on the music. At the very least, you have to acknowledge that his works are extremely seminal. I myself would count Burzum as a musical influence, and his mixing of ambient and even trance elements into the composition of raw black metal has spawned some great stuff. You wouldn't have Wyrd without Burzum, for example. Only thing is, of all my favourite bands, I would simply never buy a Burzum album or official Burzum merchandise. Which is kind of a pity because it's pretty much the only way to get Theodor Kittelsen t-shirts, but there you go.
At least if you don't like Burzum as Burzum, download Ewigkeit's cover of Ea, Lord of the Deeps (called 'Ea 2000: Out For the Count'). He totally takes the piss out of it with zany samples and pirate backing vocals mocking the lyrics, and yet still makes it awesome grim shit. I love it. But then, I practically worship Jim Fogarty and all his works as if he were a God, which I'm not convinced he isn't.
I never said that youre a nazi, nor have I said that you love nazi music.
I cant stand nazi artists because of their believes, no mattar how good their music is.
Burzum is nazi, therefor I cant stand him. I dont care if he's a major influence to other, non-nazi bands. I wont listen to his music.
Burzum even killed for his belives. One of the reasons he killed Euronymous is because he was a "Jew Lover" - Euronymous's pen-pal was the vocalist of the israeli death metal band Salem (Dead even wore their "Destruction Till Death" shirt in one of their photoshoots).
Anyway, I will download that cover, sounds iteresting.
I also heard of another band, American, that coverd the same song as "Ea, Lord Of Shit"
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On the subject of thrash metal: Totally some stuff you shoudl check out:
Testament - The Gathering. My personal Favorite of all of their albums, and one of my favorite thrash albums ever. And Alex Skolnick! Fuck YEAH! It's hardcore, it rocks out, And you need to buy it now.
Strapping Young Lad - City. I personally Like "Heavy as a Really Heavy thing" Better, but it's a good thrash album.
Stormtroopers of Death - Speak English or Die. Well, technically, I don't think they're generally called Thrash, they're close enough for me to totally require you to buy them.
Slayer - Reign in Blood - Okay, so they're washed up and shit-tastical now, and Kerry King is fucking retarded and I hate his solos, 80's Slayer was pretty damn Ace.
Motorhead - Ace of Spades. Generally their most widely loved album (I like Orgasmatron better, but go figure). totally badass.
Judas Priest - Painkiller. While not thrash, per say, totally get this anyways. <3 this album soooo much.
Exodus - Pleasures of the Flesh. Originally formed by Hammet (Until he left for Metallica. lameass). They kick some ass.
Anthrax - Persistance of Time. Alot of metalheads I know don't really like Anthrax for one reason or another. Those people are on drugs. They are fun.
EDIT: And I totally did not know Nokturnal Mortum were racist fucks. I don't have that much of them to tell, I guess.
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On the subject of thrash metal: Totally some stuff you shoudl check out:
Testament - The Gathering. My personal Favorite of all of their albums, and one of my favorite thrash albums ever. And Alex Skolnick! Fuck YEAH! It's hardcore, it rocks out, And you need to buy it now.
Skolnick had already left the band waaaaay before the Gathering.
But get every Testament album, because they are essentially pre-sellout Metallica with the overall awesomeness factor multiplied by, like, 50.
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okay Misereatur -- first of all his name is Varg Vikernez. please please stop calling him Burzum. It's like listening to Nargaroth's "The Day Burzum killed Mayhem".
Secondly, as khar said before, "the majority of online Burzum interviews are fake." so we can't say for certain that Varg killed Euronymous for being a "jew lover".
I admire Varg most because he had the presence of mind to distance himself immediately from the Odalism movement when he started it.
These (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Xiquets+De+Banyoles) guys are grim nekro and krieg all at the same time.
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Er, actually, in Vargs own words, he killed Euronymus because Euronymus threatened to kill him. Apparently Euronymus threatened to kill people quite a lot, (remember, back in the old days Mayhem's idea of a jolly lark was sending severed sheeps heads to people who gave them harsh reviews) but Varg believed it was serious, so he went for him. The two fell out mainly because they were both complete egotistical bastards: Euronymus saw himself as the 'head' of the Black Metal scene because he owned the Helvete record store and Deathlike Silence Productions, whereas the press generally viewed Varg as the scene's head because 'Count Grishnack' was a much cooler name, and because his statements made better headlines. Euronymus was also more widely unpopular in the scene towards the end because it was generally believed that he drove Dead to commit suicide, and the two were not on speaking terms owing to Varg taking Burzum off DSP because Euronymus had changed some of the track titles to things he thought sounded cooler. The fact that DSP was thinking of signing Salem, and had signed Sigh, wasn't really anything to do with it.
To be honest, there are worse crimes even within black metal. I'd say both Faust and Jon Nodtveidt probably did worse, at least Varg knew Euronymus and had some sort of motive beyond 'he felt like it'.
The 'Jew-Lover' thing seems pretty typical of fake Varg interviews. From personal experience, these are normally adulatory and written by complete nutjob nazis from some Eastern European hellhole for their crapgasmic webzine. At least its slightly more thought through than the claim that Varg had given up on metal music because guitars were a 'nigger instrument' (someone giving the situation more than five seconds thought from inside a skull not badly eroded by Skrewdriver and Prussian Blue albums would have realised that Varg is a high-escape risk, high-security prisoner, and that guitar strings are probably not at the top of the list of things the Norwegian prison service are going to give him.)
I feel kinda bad defending the guy in even a limited way, tbh, but mainly what I'm driving at is, his music is fecking awesome. No matter how much of a twatbasket he was. Most people don't like it at first, I downloaded a load of Burzum out of curiosity and then just skimmed it for a bit before leaving it. I only got hooked by the inclusion of 'Ea, Lord of the Depths' on Fenriz's 'Old School Black Metal' compilation (the same blessed disc that got me into Nattefrost, Bulldozer and Sarcofago, and made me buy Venom albums other than Black Metal and At War With Satan.) I didn't even know it was Burzum the first time because I was just listening to it without the tracklist. From there on it just grew on me.
@ Troll: Those guys are fucking awesome. The really worrying thing is their video to 'Beer Beer' is only a few degrees more cheesy than something Korpiklaani themselves would do, and synchs up far, far more neatly.
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The wole black metal scene was fucked up back then. But Varg crossed a line as far as I'm concernd. And its hard for me to take him seriously, or listen to his music without hearing Woody Allen screaming in my head "he's a nazi!".
Anyway, I got flamed.
Never mind, I guess though I ow Khar an appology for dragging him to a needless argument about old school black metal.
The most importent thing to remember is to actually enjoy music.. so..
What do you guys think of SunnO)))'s new album?
edit: Kai totally nailed the thrash metal list
let me just add two Kreator albums: Pleasure to Kill and Extreme Aggression.
You may like their new albums, I found them a bit boring.
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I actually haven't listened to much Kreator.
On the subject of Sunn O))), I have their new album (assuming it's Black 1, someone check this for me) but haven't actually listened to it yet. Go having too much stuff to listen to and not enough time to do it. Since starting this post, I've started listening to it, and the intro track thing is pretty fancy.
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Kreator's classic album is Enemy of God, but certainly a great deal of their earlier material is fantastic. Sodom too, if you can get over the horrible sound quality.
And I honestly can't choose my favorite Anthrax album. Spreading the Disease, Among the Living, and the aforementioned Persistence are all very very good.
But picking a best Testament album is like picking between a group of swimsuit models.
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I think most metal is pretty shit. I like Pantera and Metallica (and Megadeth in very short doses) but most metal's just crappy riffs and guitarists trying to outdo each other by either cramming a ridiculous amount of notes into their shitty little guitar solos or trying to outdo each other by seeing who can detune their low E string the most. The double bass drum or double pass pedal is also a bit of a shit invention. I think Poison the Well are the only band I've ever heard use it effectively because if you have the bass drum too loud it doesn't fill the low end. It has nothing interesting to it, just a load of beats on the bass drum except really rapid - big deal. Most metal riffs sound exactly the same, as do the endlessly long solos and death/black metal vocals are just terrible. (This is just my opinion though, don't all you metal fans be taking any offence now :) )
I like Ensiferum though, folk metal, it's kind of fun.
Pantera? Oh God, I'm sorry. You're entitled to your own opinion, but I put forth that you haven't listened to the right metal. Most of what is classified as metal is crap (in my opinion). However, if you manage to find the right bands, it's really awesome.
I'm quite interested in thrash metal actually but I don't really know much about it.
the only good pantera album is 'power metal' the rest basically sucks.
and i'd like to give high fives to whoever mentioned venom.
p.s. inferno is a way better motorhead album than ace of spades. i'm prolly gonna get castigated for this, but its just way better musically and more well written. don't get me wrong, ace of spades is sweet but all these "die hard" ace of spades people are just liking it to like it. people have this weird aversion to new anything. if a band stays low for awhile and then come out with a new album people always claim the 'old stuff was better' even if it wasnt (sometimes it is. see: Modey Lemon).
so, in conclusion; inferno>ace of spades
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And its hard for me to take him seriously, or listen to his music without hearing Woody Allen screaming in my head "he's a nazi!".
That's funny because I can't watch Annie Hall without hearing varg scream "He's a JEW!"
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We're talking about thrash...we're talking about Skyclad...what is missing...
oh yes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/Sabbat.jpg)
"YOU STAND BEFORE THIS COURT ACCUSED OF HERESY AND WITCHCRAFT. HOW DO YE PLEAD?"
"NOT GUILTY!"
"GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!"
Fucking classic.
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I don't know much about thrash, but Nevermore is pretty awesome
For black metal I, again, don't know much about it, but I've heard some. There's Kadenzza, Arafel, and Nocte Obducta that I like (don't own any of their CDs unfortunately :/ just familiar with a few songs)
For death metal there's Eventide, Sonic Syndicate, and Kalisia. You can get Kalisia's entire EP "Skies" (which I hear is widely acclaimed as being a pivotal progressive death metal CD) off their website.
And, for all time favorite, there's Therion. I can't believe that no one has mentioned them yet. Still need to acquire Theli, but I have everything from Vovin to Lemuria/Sirius B (Vovin, Crowning of Atlantis, Deggial, Secret of the Runes, Lemuria/Sirius B).
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p.s. inferno is a way better motorhead album than ace of spades. i'm prolly gonna get castigated for this, but its just way better musically and more well written. don't get me wrong, ace of spades is sweet but all these "die hard" ace of spades people are just liking it to like it. people have this weird aversion to new anything. if a band stays low for awhile and then come out with a new album people always claim the 'old stuff was better' even if it wasnt (sometimes it is. see: Modey Lemon).
so, in conclusion; inferno>ace of spades
As I said, I actually like Orgasmatron better than any of their albums. Most people will generally tell someone new to Motorhead to get Ace of Spades though.
And I tried to download a Sabbat album and ended up with the Japanese band Sabbat. Bands with the same name should totally be punishable by death.
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sorry to anyone who likes heavy metal, but i really don't. i respect the people who do, i won't rag on your opinions, but i really don't like heavy metal music much.
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Pussy.
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i actually do like some parts of heavy metal. i really like the musical part of it. i really like how the people in heavy metal bands can usually play their instruments really fast and really well. i just don't like the vocals. i personally am of the opinion that it ruins the music. i'm just not a fan of the growly bear type singing.
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Poison the Well are fucking TERRIBLE.
I'm sorry but I will have to disagree with you. Some of their stuff isn't too great, but when they are on they are ON
Also I like 3 inches of blood, Killswitch Engage, Trivium, and lately I've gotten into some hardcore and some straight edge pride hardcore. (I feel dirty saying that)
HEY THIS IS LIKE MY 2ND OR 3RD POST!
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Alright I just thought to ask if anyone who is into metal/hardcore went to Sounds of the Underground last year or has seen the lineup for this year?
Amazing
www.soundsoftheundergroundtour.com
Check it out if you're into that stuff! Oh and thats not all thats just the early lineup.
I'm very excited
Oh and I'm trying to follow the typing rules in this and the Movie Hopper forums. I'm not used to typing correctly when not typing a paper.
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And I'm going to have to double disagree; I think PTW are generally terrible. And Trivium, for that matter.
I didn't go to SotU, but my friend did and loved it.
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sorry to anyone who likes heavy metal, but i really don't. i respect the people who do, i won't rag on your opinions, but i really don't like heavy metal music much.
What's the point in posting in a heavy metal topic if you don't like it?
On the subject of Kreator, I heard their later work was quite industrial, how true is this? Would it be comparable to say... CNK or more like Ministry or nothing like either?
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i actually do like some parts of heavy metal. i really like the musical part of it. i really like how the people in heavy metal bands can usually play their instruments really fast and really well. i just don't like the vocals. i personally am of the opinion that it ruins the music. i'm just not a fan of the growly bear type singing.
Growly bear type of singing? You're not listening to heavy metal then, most likely death metal. My recommendations would be Nightwish, Magica, Sonata Arctica, Therion, later Sentenced, Nightmare, and Blind Guardian. Ok, most of those are power metal, but power metal is quite close to heavy metal, just with some minor stylistic differences, as opposed to what can happen when it comes to death metal...
Also, a great resource for getting into metal is Metal Storm Radio (http://www.gargoyledawn.com/msr/playing.php). It focuses on the more melodic metal genres, like power metal, progressive metal, heavy metal, and gothic metal, though there are a few bands in the mix that fall under the extreme metal genres of thrash, black, and death.
And I'm going to have to double disagree; I think PTW are generally terrible. And Trivium, for that matter.
Add Killswitch Engage to that list.
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I concur with the Killswitch comment. The computer at my radio station has some Killswitch, and I listened to it to find out if maybe someone else had loaded up some music that I could use on my show (there is some pretty good jazz that people loaded up, so I figured someone might have good taste in metal, too). Well, basically I stay away from that which is marked "Thrash" from now on, because all that's there is Killswitch and Hatebreed. No thank you.
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I disagree, Killswitch were one of the first to do what they do. And they still do it better than any of the current bands.
Actually. I haven't heard anything from their later albums, for all I know they could be an MCR tribute band.
*Puts on "Alive or just breathing"*
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Sure, Killswitch may be the first to do what they do (whatever that may be), but it's not a style I like particularly. I can't get into their musicianship, and their vocals just bother me (the screams are terrible, the clean vocals not that great). The closest to them that I listen to would have to be Sonic Syndicate (http://www.sonicsyndicate.com/) (two free clips on their "releases" page), which I actually enjoy (especially the song Jailbreak). Trivium isn't so bad, because musically they're really talented, it's just that their vocalist completely ruins it.
Bastardous: I'm not one for thrash really, but Nevermore is quite good. The radio link I posted has Nevermore in its database, that's an easy way to get some exposure to the band. Also, Yahoo! Music Videos has three videos by Nevermore, all of which are quality songs.
But yeah, Hatebreeder and Killswitch, not so good. I'm not even sure if I'd classify those as thrash, probably as thrashy nu-metal, but not actual thrash.
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Oh, I am a wee bit familiar with thrash (definitely familiar with Nevermore), but my radio station doesn't have any of it, which means I can't play any of it on-air (we're trying to get an FCC license, so we can only play 100% legal stuff, an our manager is limiting us to only using actcual, store-bought CDs).
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I wouldn't call Nevermore thrash, really. Honestly, I can't define them. They're like Watchtower with a power vocalist and incredibly better sound quality.
And Killswitch, Trivium, and Poison the Well all suck. A lot. Like, one-step-up-from-Korn bad.
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I recently got hold of Darkthrone's A Blaze in the Northern Sky and I like it a lot. Has a nice raw sound that's somewhat akin to the overdriven thud rock I tend to like.
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Actually. I haven't heard anything from their later albums, for all I know they could be an MCR tribute band.
If I'm thinking of the right band, emo like a crazy thing.
There's such a thing as 'nu-thrash' or 'future thrash' (if you're being generous. If you're being REALLY generous it's sometimes called 'Groove Metal') that covers stuff like the above mentioned, Raunchy (who win the genre just for their videos), Chimaira, Pantera etc. I quite like a few songs off of 'Cowboys From Hell', but that may just be the nostalgia talking, I haven't got anything later than that.
If you dislike all the vocals in every metal band ever, there's something wrong with ye. The genre encompasses everything from classically trained opera vocals, through to screams, grunts and growls, and every shade in-between. Including just good ol' fashioned rock 'n roll.
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Not to throw myself into non-joking discussion of metal, but I would guess that if someone says they tend not to like metal vocals on a large scale, it's probably due to the level of theatricality used in metal vocals (a rather general artifact of metal's roots in glam) rather than technical considerations. It's not a sentiment I share, I'm just sayin'. Whether screamy, trilly, shouty, grunty, sludgy, or otherwisey, this "over-the-topness" is an element that pretty much all vocal metal has to share, and I can see that being off-putting to some.
As counterpoint, I'd take as an example Jeff Mangum, a vocalist whose style (and songwriting) I dislike, but whose voice lacks the theatricality of metal in favor of rather simple emotions. I could see someone preferring a style of voice with less, shall we say, decorum.
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Actually. I haven't heard anything from their later albums, for all I know they could be an MCR tribute band.
If I'm thinking of the right band, emo like a crazy thing.
There's such a thing as 'nu-thrash' or 'future thrash' (if you're being generous. If you're being REALLY generous it's sometimes called 'Groove Metal') that covers stuff like the above mentioned,
Like I said, haven't heard anything since... 99? I don't think I'd ever call KSE thrash. Maybe pop metal or metalcore at a stretch but never thrash.
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If I'm thinking of the right band, emo like a crazy thing.
You might be thinking of the right band, but with the wrong classification. A clean chorus every now and then doesn't automatically equal emo.
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On the subject of Sunn O))), I have their new album (assuming it's Black 1, someone check this for me) but haven't actually listened to it yet. Go having too much stuff to listen to and not enough time to do it. Since starting this post, I've started listening to it, and the intro track thing is pretty fancy.
Yeah, I was talking about Black 1. Its really more "metal" then their other albums, that tend to be more ambient then metal. I was even suprised to hear growls on the album.
I listened to it only a couple of times but I like it. Even more then White 1 and 2.
I wouldn't call Nevermore thrash, really. Honestly, I can't define them. They're like Watchtower with a power vocalist and incredibly better sound quality.
And Killswitch, Trivium, and Poison the Well all suck. A lot. Like, one-step-up-from-Korn bad.
Nevermore are thrash in my opinion. They have more thrash in their music then other influences.
The "future thrash" or "nu-thrash" is basically metalcore. With exeption of Unearth, Lamb Of God and maby a few other bands, most of it sucks.
If you dislike all the vocals in every metal band ever, there's something wrong with ye. The genre encompasses everything from classically trained opera vocals, through to screams, grunts and growls, and every shade in-between. Including just good ol' fashioned rock 'n roll.
Quoted just to say yeah. If you dont like metal vocals you just didnt listen to enough of it.
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Yeah, there's no set style of vocals employed by all metal singers worldwide :\ if in doubt, listen to the song "The Genuine Pulse" by Borknagar for proof. Anyone who's heard it will know what I mean.
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@ Kikan: A few light choruses may not be emo, but calling your album 'The End of Heartache', putting this on the cover:
(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0001Z2TJY.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
and having lyrics like this:
"Numb and broken, here I stand alone
Wondering what were the last words I said to you
Hoping, praying that I'll find a way to turn back time
Can I turn back time?
What would I give to behold
The smile, the face of love?
You never left me
The rising sun will always speak your name
Numb and broken, here I stand alone
Wondering what were the last words I said to you
It won't be long, we'll meet again
What would I give to behold
The smile, the face of love?
You never left me
The rising sun will always speak your name"
Emo, my friend. Fucking emo, in the most perjorative neologistic sense of the word. Ie: cash-in whores.
@ Amok:
"The genuine pulse! The link of a thoooousand senses.
The genuine pulse! Entire celestial allegiance!
The genuine pulse! Dense induce of the indomitable!
Never to fail thus existence I sail..
THROOOOOOUGH THE ELEMENTS OF FOUUUUUUR"
It's the formula to fucking WIN at post-black metal: ALWAYS get Vintersorg or Trickster G. to sing on your album. For examples of the latters madness, check out 'La Masquerade Infernale' by Arcturus and 'Themes From William Blake's The Marriage of Heaven and Hell' by Ulver. Fuck me.
"OHPITYTHEFOOLISHYOUNGMAN! CONSIDERTHEBURNINGDUNGEONTHOUARTCREATINGFORTHYSELFFORALLETERNITY!"
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Yeah, there's no set style of vocals employed by all metal singers worldwide :\ if in doubt, listen to the song "The Genuine Pulse" by Borknagar for proof. Anyone who's heard it will know what I mean.
I'm not necessarily talking about style (though the other person above may have been), but maybe attitude. See, when I hear that song you mentioned I still hear the thing that I'm talking about. That guy's voice, while more subdued than some of the more genre-typical metal vocals that I've heard (croakers like Bathory to growlers like The Sun to testicularly-challenged howlers like Rhapsody), still has an element of this difficult-to-explain "metalness" to it. It also (probably unintentionally) palpably reminds me of "Visual-kei", a very theatrical Japanese hard rock subgenre. So while I don't mean to overgeneralize, but I think it's possible that there really is some je nais se quois* element inherent in vocals in the genre that you can find pretty much throughout the genre, and that element seems to have something to do with at least a glam influence.
(edit) I'm also not saying this element is exclusive to metal, so one could certainly express a dispreference for it where it is found elsewhere; operatic voices not inspired by soul like Lydia Lunch or solo Freddie Mercury could potentially be viewed similarly, and Patton certainly takes his pipes outside the realm of metal.
I'm not sure this is making sense to y'all. And why am I defending someone else's statement that I don't even agree with?
*Refer to the "Words/Phrases you HATE" thread
(edited for continuity)
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call me nuts but I don't hear a glam influence in bands like Darkthrone
I mean, they look like ponces, but in terms of sound... well, maybe I haven't been listening to enough glam :)
edit: ah, I see what you mean now... my point about that song was the way he's growling and doing the operatic singing thing. if someone dislikes operatic singing in rock across the board then fair enough I guess, but "metal" as a genre encompasses so many different styles (both of music and of vocals) that you can't really pin down one style of metal singing. If you're just referring to the Judas Priest school of metal vocals then fair enough ;)
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It also (probably unintentionally) palpably reminds me of "Visual-kei", a very theatrical Japanese hard rock subgenre.
That would maybe be because Visual Kei got kicked off by metal bands like X-Japan.
What you are trying to say is that metal is not lo-fi, soul-less mumbling?
CORRECT SIR.
You are basically saying that metal singers sing in a way that fits the music. Check some decent metal ballads and whatnot, or later Skyclad stuff or something like that, for an example of how the vocalists change when they move off metal. You couldn't have some ball-less, radioheadesque warbling along with a slab of kick-ass metal. That would just be awful. If you have powerful music, you need powerful vocals. If you want silly music, you gotta have silly vocals. If you want to wimp, you gotta wimp.
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Hence my argument that one could indeed disprefer the theatricality (perhaps even flamboyance) of metal vocals entirely and not necessarily be accused of overgeneralizing or jumping to conclusions.
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Ha you guys hate 3 of my favorite bands. Trivium is super talented musicly but when Mathew sings its not as good but he can scream. Poison the Well is good in small doses as long as its the right song. And I really like Killswitch, Howard may not be too great at writing but he sings the older stuff a thousand times better than the other singer.
I liked almost every band on sotu last year (minus devil driver, clutch, and afew others)
But lately I've gotten super into hardcore and for some strange reason straightxedge pride bands (casey jones) and liek 2 throwdown songs
but we are talking about metal, I can't stand metalica any more!
Oh and korn is a million billion trillion thousand million times worse than killswitch but korn is still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy better than limp bizkit or slipknot
OH! and even if you don't like trivium if you've seen them live you respect them. They are by far the best band I've ever seen play live. Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents *toss*
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I've seen Trivium live.
I still don't really respect them. Yes, they have a good guitarist, big woop. Bands are a complete package. They have crap stage presence and crowd interaction, and the crowd and pit was so awful (not just a goddamned windmilling pit, but a goddamned windmilling pit full of 13 year olds I could have broken like dolls), that rather then get myself down after getting totally blown away by 3 Inches of Blood (the only reason I was there), I went to the bar and watched small kids with bad taste get hurt. In reflection, that's also probably what I should have done at the Dillinger Escape Plan/Poison the Well (spit) co-headliner gig, like, the moment Ephel Duath stopped playing. The only good bit of the gig was when they encored with a cover of Master of Puppets, but that was kinda put down by my memories of seeing Apocalyptica ripping up the whole fucking Brixton Academy with that song on fucking Cello. Now that's a live experience.
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Trivium is super talented musicly but when Mathew sings its not as good but he can scream.
I see it the opposite way. He can yell, which sounds absolutely horrid, and then he can sing with some decent ability. Unfortunately, it seems he prefers to yell. Because it makes him XxHardXcorExX.
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Trivium is super talented musicly but when Mathew sings its not as good but he can scream.
I see it the opposite way. He can yell, which sounds absolutely horrid, and then he can sing with some decent ability. Unfortunately, it seems he prefers to yell. Because it makes him XxHardXcorExX.
trivium isn't even hardcore haha. But nice scene reference.
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I like Pelican/Isis/Jesu style metal, not much else though.
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I'm pretty sure that I could name about 15 guitarists within the realm of metal off the top of my head that are better than the guy from Trivium. Without even really trying.
The problem with Trivium and Posion the Well is the problem with a lot of metalcore bands: they're incredibly derivative and unoriginal. Which isn't to say this problem is reserved to metalcore; basically every band to come out of the Florida death scene is just a knockoff of Possessed who produce the same album 5 times. I have only heard about half a dozen Trivium songs, but they more or less sound exactly the same. Plus emocore, no matter how much talent you have, is whoring yourself out for more money. This is not speculation, it's fact.
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Srsly. I you "don't like metal vocals", get Falconer's Self-titled album. Or just get it anyway, even if you do like metal vocals, or even like falconer or even have that album. Get another copy.
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I'm pretty sure that I could name about 15 guitarists within the realm of metal off the top of my head that are better than the guy from Trivium. Without even really trying.
The problem with Trivium and Posion the Well is the problem with a lot of metalcore bands: they're incredibly derivative and unoriginal. Which isn't to say this problem is reserved to metalcore; basically every band to come out of the Florida death scene is just a knockoff of Possessed who produce the same album 5 times. I have only heard about half a dozen Trivium songs, but they more or less sound exactly the same. Plus emocore, no matter how much talent you have, is whoring yourself out for more money. This is not speculation, it's fact.
Exactly.
I watched a Trivium video last night on Headbangers Ball. It was horrible. I seriously dont understand what people find in them. The vocals are mildly ok, the guitarist isnt that good, and the mosh was pathetic (like Khar said, crap stage presence and crowd interaction).
The drummer, though, was pretty good. Thats it.
Sadly, this goes for almost every metalcore band I have ever heard.
And yeah, most of the new bands that come out of florida sound just the same.
Damn, I miss Morbid Angel. *puts on Blessed Are The Sick*
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Something about Killswitch
You mean... oh, I don't know... something like this?
Maybe one day I'll be an honest man
Up till now I'm doing the best I can
Long roads.Long days, of sunrise, to sunset
Sunrise to sunset
Dream on brothers while you can
Dream on sisters I hope you will find the one
All of our lives, covered up quickly by the tides of time
Spend your days full of emptiness
Spend your years full of loneliness
Wasting love, in a desperate caress
Rolling shadows of night
Dream on brothers while you can
Dream on sisters I hope you will find the one
All of our lives, covered up quickly by the tides of time
Sands are flowing and the lines are in your hand
In your eyes I see the hunger, and the desperate cry that tears the night
Spend your days full of emptiness
Spend your years full of loneliness
Wasting love, in a desperate caress
Rolling shadows of night
As for the record cover, everyone knows that's a total rip on Shai Hulud's 'Hearts Once Nourished With Hope and Compassion' anyway. That, and I am far too lazy to dig up some record cover by some metal band that surely is as soppy as anything you could accuse Killswitch of. I have a life, you know.
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Is it sad that I am now looking for every band mentioned in this forum (save the ones I KNOW are shit)?
I need more metal in my life. All i have right now are Skyclad, Dragonforce, In Flames, Immortal, Impaled Nazarene, and Finntroll. Im sure I have more at home, but still, my appetite for metal is not satiated.
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I think Dark Tranquillity and Edge of Sanity would do you good.
Dark Tranquillity's new album is brilliant, give it a shot.
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For those of you harrassing metalcore, you need to listen to some proper metalcore.
Something like Shai Hulud, 100 Demons, Nine, and most of all Shai Hulud again. This isn't MTVcore, it's straight up metal meets hardcore and Shai Hulud still do it best.
Such a shame they broke up. Their show last year was fucking amazing.
"That Within Blood Ill-Tempered" is probably their best album. If you can get that and listen to "Two and twenty misfortunes".
Ahem. Fanboy rant done.
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Oh and korn is a million billion trillion thousand million times worse than killswitch but korn is still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy better than limp bizkit or slipknot
Okay, I used to be a nu-metal kid before I actually started *listening* to music, and I gotta say that there is no fucking way that KoRn is better than Slipknot. When KoRn makes a record, they make the same song twelve times. Granted, most of their albums sound different from the others, but the songs on them sound mostly the same. Slipknot actually writes SONGS. Bad songs, but songs nonetheless.
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For those of you harrassing metalcore, you need to listen to some proper metalcore.
Something like Shai Hulud, 100 Demons, Nine, and most of all Shai Hulud again. This isn't MTVcore, it's straight up metal meets hardcore and Shai Hulud still do it best.
Such a shame they broke up. Their show last year was fucking amazing.
"That Within Blood Ill-Tempered" is probably their best album. If you can get that and listen to "Two and twenty misfortunes".
Ahem. Fanboy rant done.
None of us said that all metalcore is bad.
Its just that most of what we heard was terrible. I myself like Lamb Of God and Unearth.
I will check out those bands you mentioned.
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<- noob, old man alert. My favorite metal is pretty close to home.
My metal list (most of these I own the entire libraries for): Metallica, Judas Priest, Megadeth (small doses), Anthrax, Iron Maiden, Dragonforce, Iced Earth (I still cannot get enough of "The Glorious Burden"... Gettysburg Parts I to III has got to be some of the greatest 30 minutes of metal ever made.)
I love prog metal with a passion and I still think Dream Theater is the end all to be all.
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Fancy. Iced Earth are ace.
You should totally check out Demons and Wizards. It's the guitarist from Iced Earth and the vocalist guy from (I think) Blind Guardian's side project, and it is awesome.
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Fancy. Iced Earth are ace.
You should totally check out Demons and Wizards. It's the guitarist from Iced Earth and the vocalist guy from (I think) Blind Guardian's side project, and it is awesome.
Checking it now.
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Fancy. Iced Earth are ace.
You should totally check out Demons and Wizards. It's the guitarist from Iced Earth and the vocalist guy from (I think) Blind Guardian's side project, and it is awesome.
It is indeed Hansi, from Blind Guardian. Their most recent album has fucking amazing drummer Bobby Jarzombek, brother of Ron Jarzombek, both of whom played in crazy-ass prog band Spastic Ink. Seriously, they manage to write a song in 4/4, using only C and C#, and make it freaking nuts. And the best part is, it actually grooves, unlike a lot of insane prog out there.
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I like Pelican/Isis/Jesu style metal, not much else though.
Take a look into Sullenoid. I posted a link to one of their songs in the Graduation Songs thread.
stuff
Check out Ayreon, Time Requiem, and Sage when it comes to prog. I guess Stream of Passion could also work, but haven't heard too much from it, and even though Arjen Anthony Lucassen (the guy from Ayreon) is running the show in that one, it may not be as proggy as his other stuff.
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crazy-ass prog band Spastic Ink
Hell yes!
As for Jesu. Their album was kind of a disappointment. I fell in love with the EP, beautiful hypnotic ambient sludge. So I baught the album, and found it boring, all the songs just sounded the same to me. I need to give it another listen though.
I really hope Justin Broadrick will realese another album with this project.
I understand there's a new EP, anyone heard it yet?
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straight up metal meets hardcore
I thought that was Stormtroopers of Death.
I have friends who play me endless amounts of metalcore. Everyone from Sinai Beach to Shai Hulud to Bleeding Through to Bring Me the Horizon to OMG OLD UNEARTH BEFORE THEY SOLD OUT LIEK through to any old commercial rubbish and so on and so forth. Still not found any I like, or anything to erase my opinion that metalcore and modern hardcore should be swept under the carpet and replaced entirely with 80's thrash, grind, crossover and hardcore.
@Kikan: That's a ballad versus an album. Also, 'soppiness' is not the issue here, it's damn stupid fucking bullshit cliche emo imagery, lyrics and musical elements designed only to sell albums and not enhance the sound or image of the band in any way, means, or form. Something which, incidentally, Iron Maiden are not clean from, although in another form. You cannot tell me that the whole band was not thinking 'AIRPLAY AIRPLAY AIRPLAY' when they wrote 'Can I Play With Madness?'.
Hopefully the emocore bubble is going to pop really soon and all the bands who jumped on the bandwagon are going to be left in a musical limbo as profound as all those latter-day nu-metal acts.
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....or Run to the Hills. :D
I myself just can't get into the whole metalcore... thing. It just doesn't sound all that great to me. A friend of mine is pretty gung-ho about it.
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I have friends who play me endless amounts of metalcore. Everyone from Sinai Beach to Shai Hulud to Bleeding Through to Bring Me the Horizon to OMG OLD UNEARTH BEFORE THEY SOLD OUT LIEK through to any old commercial rubbish and so on and so forth. Still not found any I like, or anything to erase my opinion that metalcore and modern hardcore should be swept under the carpet and replaced entirely with 80's thrash, grind, crossover and hardcore.
@Kikan: That's a ballad versus an album. Also, 'soppiness' is not the issue here, it's damn stupid fucking bullshit cliche emo imagery, lyrics and musical elements designed only to sell albums and not enhance the sound or image of the band in any way, means, or form. Something which, incidentally, Iron Maiden are not clean from, although in another form. You cannot tell me that the whole band was not thinking 'AIRPLAY AIRPLAY AIRPLAY' when they wrote 'Can I Play With Madness?'.
Hopefully the emocore bubble is going to pop really soon and all the bands who jumped on the bandwagon are going to be left in a musical limbo as profound as all those latter-day nu-metal acts.
That's because you're goddamned stupid, then. I'm done with this debate, as I've had it fucking five times on these forums already, and you people are too fucking numb in your dicks to realize that it's a genre like any other one. You don't have to like it, but you don't have to be fucking dicks about it either. I don't like the majority of the music people discuss here, but I'm not all like "OMG THIS MUSIC SUCKS HGLHBLUGHGHUGL".
Fuck it, I'm done with these forums. As I said in the other thread, there's like three people I really like who frequent or have frequented these forums (Norma, Sam and Lauren), and the rest of you make me want to go on a killing spree.
Good luck to you, Rizzo. I hope these fucking cocks don't drive you insane.
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Now THAT'S the way to go.
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I like Pelican/Isis/Jesu style metal, not much else though.
Ditto; I'm also partial to a little Sunn-O))) style soundscape-metal, and also Mastadon and Femme Fatale.
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I like Pelican/Isis/Jesu style metal, not much else though.
Ditto; I'm also partial to a little Sunn-O))) style soundscape-metal, and also Mastadon and Femme Fatale.
Negura Bunget?
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I'm sorry, I don't know what that means or is. Do explain?
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I'm sorry, I don't know what that means or is. Do explain?
Sorry, that was me being a minimalist poster.
If you're into the whole soundscape thing I would suggest for your listening pleasure a neat little combo called Negura Bunget. They are awesome. Their latest CD has four tracks: |, ||, |||, ||||.
Now, that's cool.
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You might also like the japanese group Boris.
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Hopefully the emocore bubble is going to pop really soon and all the bands who jumped on the bandwagon are going to be left in a musical limbo as profound as all those latter-day nu-metal acts.
That's because you're goddamned stupid, then. I'm done with this debate, as I've had it fucking five times on these forums already, and you people are too fucking numb in your dicks to realize that it's a genre like any other one. You don't have to like it, but you don't have to be fucking dicks about it either. I don't like the majority of the music people discuss here, but I'm not all like "OMG THIS MUSIC SUCKS HGLHBLUGHGHUGL".
Fuck it, I'm done with these forums. As I said in the other thread, there's like three people I really like who frequent or have frequented these forums (Norma, Sam and Lauren), and the rest of you make me want to go on a killing spree.
Good luck to you, Rizzo. I hope these fucking cocks don't drive you insane.[/quote]
Way to prove that everone to do with emocore isn't a whiny self-obsessed drama queen there.
OH WAIT.
You really are a fucking moron. All I'm saying, and please say you disagree with this, because you probably ARE still reading this, is that there is a current trend for pathetic emocore bollocks which has caused many bad bands to be formed and be given record contracts, sometimes based on just what they look like (Aiden anyone?): metalcore bands have watered down, indie bands have added a bit of screaming, everyone's a jumping on a bandwagon fuelled by the money of 14 year olds. It's EXACTLY what happened with nu-metal. I wasn't even dissing your fucking true scene, I just said I don't like it. All I was dissing was commercialised shit.
Anyway, I was lying. I forgot I liked SikTh, though I'm not sure I'd call them Metalcore. I like some old Blood Brothers stuff as well. There, happy?
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are they both metalcore? I have a SikTh album, and March On, Electric Children is ace.
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Well, SikTh obviously have some metal. And some core. Dissolved in a big pot of crack. They're probably light mathcore or something. They're about twenty times zanier than DEP anyway. Just for 'How May I Help You?'. Pirate vocals are always the win. I only really liked about half of 'The Trees are Dead and Dried Out, Wait For Something Wild' though. The real problem I have with metalcore is I find something deeply unlikeable about the rhythms and drumming of modern hardcore. It just rubs me up. The rest of it is mainly Gothenburg MDM, which I don't mind at all, but the rhythms and breakdowns just grate on me, as does the emo singing style. There'll be bits I like in a lot of songs, even by bands like Bullet For My Valentine (not surprising with the amount of riffs they pilfer from Dark Tranquillity), but then they'll ruin it totally, and I can only really like a song I like bits of if I find the rest of the song 'ok' and not 'ewww'.
I've got Burn Piano Island, Burn and rather enjoy it. Tracks I've hard off later efforts have just been too...normal, however.
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I think I have The Trees are Dead and Dried Out...
And yeah, Crimes (their latest album) was pretty "meh". This Adultery is Ripe, March On Electric Children ,and Piano Island are pretty fancy though.
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Well, Trees... is their only full-length, as far as I know, so it's probably that.
They're very, very good live. Bands of that sort tend to be better live than on CD, I find. Nothing like a crowd of people with raised fists all chanting "LOOK AT THE SKY! LOOK AT THE SKY!"
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Fuck it, I'm done with these forums. As I said in the other thread, there's like three people I really like who frequent or have frequented these forums (Norma, Sam and Lauren), and the rest of you make me want to go on a killing spree.
Good luck to you, Rizzo. I hope these fucking cocks don't drive you insane.
Woah there son, someone needs to call the wahhhbulance. He'll be back. Besides, I only _like_ metalcore, I _love_ industrial, punk and goth which are all happily discussed here.
Way to prove that everone to do with emocore isn't a whiny self-obsessed drama queen there.
Anyway, I was lying. I forgot I liked SikTh, though I'm not sure I'd call them Metalcore. I like some old Blood Brothers stuff as well. There, happy?
I'd say 98 metalcore bands out of 100 are utter trash so there's no point in trying to defend most of them. I do however object to the comment that all metalcore is bad. As you've said yourself, you like sikTh(who I've never heard of) and bloodbrothers.
Ehhhh, all this genre stuff is crap anyway. Most of these bands are pop so back to the heavy metal!
Can anyone recommend something in the vein of Red Harvest only not so shit?
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ABORYM.
Next?
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And not Aborym.
I'd be talking to you on MSN but I'm at work... wooo internet access.
So yeah, not Aborym.
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Can I ask what Red Harvest is?
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AXIS OF PERDITION
Next?
Red Harvest call themselves 'Apocalyptic Industrial Cyber Metal' as far as I remember. Should give you a pretty good indication.
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Can I ask what Red Harvest is?
They call themselves "Industrail metal" but they're not very good at it... Aborym are much better but I still don't like em.
Axis of Perdition aye? I shall investigate.
Ok another musical challenge for Khar...
Are there any metalbands out there that sound something like Venetian Snares/Error but heavier? Really glitchy metal (Not DEP because they're just dischordant and meh). Any help?
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Well...what do you want from Industrial metal? Axis of Perdition are the heaviest shit ever you can get from combining black metal and industrial in a relatively hi-fi way, I would say.
Hmnnnn, glitchy metal? That one kinda stumps me. I guess you could try later Discordance Axis stuff. It's metallic grindcore, but the drumming is kinda glitchy, I suppose. If you could give me an example track as to what your looking for, it would help.
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Discordance Axis are amazing.
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I'm thinking something along the lines of "Die Winnipeg, die die die fuckers die" By Venetian Snares, meets "Jack The Ripper" By Error meets heavy metal.
I dunno. I'm on bit of a gltich kick at the moment. Might go download some digigrind. Or just listen to Nasum for a few hours when I get home, after all I am a programmer now. By rights I should listen to nothing but goregrind all the time... it's what progammers do!
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Psh, Nasum are posercore. Real programmers listen to the Cock and Ball Torture/Libido Airbag Split on endless repeat until bits of their face start falling off.
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Blind Guardian, Ayreon, Time Requiem, Sage, Stream of Passion, Spastic Ink
This is why I knew this thread would rock. Thanks for the suggestions.
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I didn't think nasum were core at all...
Besides, I'm only studying programming so I can be as posey as I want to... I'm a student.
Maybe just put Zombie Grinder 3000 on in the background. Meeeean.
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Mean indeed.
But please stop posting. Your sig quote makes me cry. I'm trying to listen to some Horna to keep myself grim, but the tears just keep welling up.
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Truly grym and necro? :D
Sorry dude. I'll stop now and replace when someone says something that funny... which no one will.
Yeah, I'm changing shifts now so I won't be on the net anymore.
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Has anyone here heard enough Arafel to suggest getting more of it? I'm looking at you, Misereatur
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Ok another musical challenge for Khar...
Are there any metalbands out there that sound something like Venetian Snares/Error but heavier? Really glitchy metal (Not DEP because they're just dischordant and meh). Any help?
I'm not quite sure what glitchy metal is, but to satisfy either this or your previous question (the Apocalyptic Industrial Metal or whatever you called it), I would recommend The Kovenant - SETI. Most people think it's not so great because they were expecting something along the lines of Animatronic (which I don't own, but I've heard a little off of) and they're completely different as far as I know. Still, SETI is awesome when it comes to the industrial vein of things, rather than a "techno-ish black metal" like Animatronic is supposed to be. There's a song sample here (http://www.nuclearblast.de/media/NB_0658.ram), but it's a .ram format, meaning it uses realplayer. Best I can do though. Also, for reference, the rest of the CD sounds very little like that song, it's much more industrial, but it gives a good idea of what The Kovenant is capable of doing.
As for some more prog bands, Lyranthe, Opus Atlantica, Evergrey, Sage. Evergrey and Sage are a bit heavier, but I like them both a lot. Lyranthe I don't like so much, but you may, and Opus Atlantica I've only heard a little by so I won't pass judgement, but you can check them out as well.
Trollstormur: Arafel!? I've heard one thing by them (Serpent Land)... very interested in hearing more. I'm looking at you as well Misereatur :)
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There are a few noise artists who do metal influenced cut-ups. Kevin Drumm is probably the best known.
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Has anyone here heard enough Arafel to suggest getting more of it? I'm looking at you, Misereatur
Actually, I've never really been into Arafel. I understand their first album is rather good. I heard a couple of songs from it and aside from the bad recording quality it was pretty good.
Their new album, The Second Strike: Through The Flame Of The Ages, should be also good, alas, I didnt buy it yet.
Found some revies on it just now:
http://nocturnalhall.com/frameindex_e.htm
http://www.metalstorm.ee/reviews/more_review.php?id=1496
No use going into their website, they hav'nt updated it since 2004.
You people might also want to try Orphaned Land. Prog' death metal with oriental influences. One of the best israeli bands out there.
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Yes... I must admit that at some point in my life (yes, early teens) I listened to such bands as slipknot, static-x and many of the bands that Sarge mentioned on the first page... No, I don't listen to them anymore... No, I probably don't listen to most of the kickass bands you listen to... I'll probably be checking them out asap. I'm always up for some new GOOD music... people don't seem to understand that I don't like their (c)rap, soft rock, or otherwise unpleasant sounds to my ears... There are some that I don't mind, but it just isn't my thing... Just like if I named any of my current favorite bands, I'd be flamed ALL to hell by the music police here for being "distasteful" in their minds.
On another note...
Kai on the subject of energy drinks wrote:
Oh, you get so unproductive on those things. It's like ADD in a can.
That is a hilarious sig, and I do agree... Especially considering I've got ADHD... and give me a couple of those and I pretty much can't control it... At all... I think I downed two cans of No Fear before my biology lecture and I was unable to sit still...
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A metal topic? And nobody told me about this?!
Earlier I've my opinion about the current state of the metal scene in the fav albums thread I believe.
Anyways for those who didn't read it...
I like metal but I don't like the whole "OMFG-we-are-so-metal-the-rest-are-fake-cockscuckers"-attitude.
I swear to God, Satan, Buddha and Allah; if you read some of the comments on blabbermouth.net, you'd say some people gave up part of their brain to sign up.
Truth is i've been listening more to alternative then metal. It's just...the music is stuck, or so it seems to me. It's not new, it's not refreshing.
Some time ago, I've talked myself into rediscovering metal from the '90s since that is the golden age of metal. Metal was respected and bands were not afraid to try out ideas. Today, bands just fuck around with 7-strings
Music; Ancient Rites, Edge Of Sanity, Type O Negative, Metallica, Slayer. Opeth is really good too. Madball, Biohazard, Fear Factory, Misery Loves Co.
Thanks to this comic I checked out 'Oceanic' by Isis which is some of the most interesting stuff I've heard in a long time.
Actually, I've listened to Slipknot too. Problem is that going trough an entire album really tires you. On '3.0' they finally wrote some melodies but the first two albums... I work in a place where they print newspapers and Slipknot really sound like those presses.
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After seeing Slayer live, I will never respect them, ever. They were just awful. They were just plain sloppy, and there's no excuse for that, especially considering the difficulty level of their music. If a concert pianist can go on tour with an orchestra and not miss any notes the entire time, then Slayer should at least be able to play their music correctly live. I have no problem with people listening to Slayer. Their albums are perfectly acceptable, but their show was godawful.
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"WOAH JEEZ WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH MY HANDS SLOPPY IMPROV SOLO"
I really do not like Kerry King very much.
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Music; Ancient Rites, Edge Of Sanity, Type O Negative, Metallica, Slayer. Opeth is really good too. Madball, Biohazard, Fear Factory, Misery Loves Co.
Thanks to this comic I checked out 'Oceanic' by Isis which is some of the most interesting stuff I've heard in a long time.
Check out Therion, The Old Dead Tree, The Kovenant, Sonata Arctica, Rhapsody, Finntroll, Divercia, Epica, Nightwish, Blind Guardian, Beholder, Widow, Throes of Dawn, Eventide, Evergrey, Sentenced, Samael, and Avantasia. It's a pretty good mix of stuff, with some really unique bands (Therion), some very talented (read: they can move like hell!) bands (Sonata Arctica, Rhapsody), and all of it is good stuff.
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And Agalloch.
Actually, everybody check out Agalloch. Because they are really quite unbelievably good.
Also, muchos respectos for hitting up the old ANCIENT FUCKING RITES. Skyclad may be my favourite band of all time, but damn it if Dim Carcosa isn't the best album I've ever heard. Period. And 'And the Hordes Stood as One' is probably one of the best live albums ever. I cannot wait for their new album. I need my fix of pan-european romanticist progressive extreme metal, dammit.
Oh, and a query/clarification to the above post...you mean the new Samael material, right? The wierd, oriental/industrial/rap/space metal stuff?
Good stuff, actually. Many fans of their old stuff (ie, me) hate it though.
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Yeah, their new album, Reign of Light. It's the only one I have or have heard anything off, but it's pretty good.
However, I think that The Kovenant - SETI fits into the same genre and is a much better album for that, for me at least. Reign of Light felt like it had a more minimalist feel to the music, and a few of the songs were a bit disappointing/cheesy (what were they thinking with As The Sun?). There's also simply much more, and more varied, material on SETI. 14 tracks, with a minimum length of around 5 minutes on each track... you get a good hour and twenty minutes of music off of it, from slower songs like Industrial Twilight to the more upbeat and faster (and in my opinion, better) tracks like Hollow Earth. The sound is also much more full, with multiple guitarists, musical programming (Lex Icon AKA Nagash does the programming for the music), choir usage on a few songs, and the drumming of Von Blomberg AKA Hellhammer.
Overall, this is pretty much the most listened-to CD in my whole collection (which, admittedly is rather small, but includes all the Nightwish albums, all the Therion albums from Vovin on, some Blind Guardian, Epica, Children of Bodom, etc., so it's beating out some pretty tough competition)
I'm no music reviewer, but hopefully that gave you a good bit of information. If you want to know anything else, drop me a PM or something, I'd be happy to answer other Q's.
EDIT: I think I just completely misinterpreted your post, and thought you said that many fans of their older stuff hated you for liking it. Silly me. Still, if you thought the genre had some merit, I would still say that the abovementioned band would still be worth looking in to.
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And here I thought the forums would be populated by indie snob kids. Woo, thank heavens I'm wrong.
First post, by the way. Hi everyone :D
Blind Guardian, Apartment 26, newer KMFDM, Rob Zombie, Children of Bodom, SOAD, Pitch Shifter, Soil, Soilwork, Static-X, Rammstein, Marilyn Manson, Dragonforce, A Perfect Circle, Tool, Black Sabbath, Collide, Cradle of Filth, Devildriver, Eisbrecher, Kovenant, Samael, etc.
All good metal/industrial bands. I owe my love of the genre to KMFDM, though. Amazing folks. I've got more, but I don't feel like going through my entire music collection to pick out the metal artists.
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kmdfm is industrial rock.
(http://postfarm.net/uploads/gtfo_copy3.jpg)
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kmdfm is industrial rock.
You're absolutely right. So is Pitch Shifter, Collide, Kovenant, and Samael.
However, in some instances these bands can produce metal just like anyone else (KMFDM = WWIII, Pitch Shifter = We know, etc)
Fantasy metal is about as far as you can move away from Industrial rock while still remaining in the "metal" genre, because every other artists I've listed uses elements of industrial rock (save Sabbath) in several of their songs.
You can probably find several counter-examples. I don't doubt that, but for every counter-example you can come up with, I wager I can find 2 examples to my case.
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kmdfm is industrial rock.
You're absolutely right. So is Pitch Shifter, Collide, Kovenant, and Samael.
News to me... while it's difficult to define the differences between the "rock" genres (especially the heavier ones like hard rock, industrial rock, etc.) and the "metal" genres, I'd place both The Kovenant and Samael firmly on the "metal" sides of things.
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Slayer sucks, and they pretty much always have. Lombardo is a pretty good drummer, but that's about it. Kerry King is one of the worst excuses for a lead guitarist I've ever heard.
And Slayer has never experimented with anything, ever. They've been trying (and failing) to produce the same album for 20 years now. Show No Mercy was their only remotely good and/or innovative effort*.
*Well, OK, South of Heaven was decent.
Bands within the Thrash genre that are a bajillion times better than Metallica and Slayer combined: Testament, Dark Angel, Heathen, Exodus, and Overkill. To a lesser extent: early Megadeth, Vovoid, and Anthrax.
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I cant believe you all forgot about FUCKING MORBID ANGEL, At The Gates and loads of other exallent metal bands.
I mean, shit, Morbid Angel are one of the best, if not the best Florida based deah metal act. And At The Gates Are just brialliant in any album after "The Red In The Sky Is Ours".
Also, I'd like to mention some of my favorite doom acts:
Paradise Lost in Gothic, Darconian Times and Sades Of God is just one of the best doom band to record an album.
Anathema in their first albums and Their Pentacos III and The Crestfallen EP's are brilliant doomish death metal.
Katatonia in Brave Murder Day (with Mikael Akerfeldt on growls) and Dance of December Souls Are part melodic death metal part doom metal. Two of my favorite albums in my collection.
All of these bands wandered into soft doomish rock for a while. Anathema is now a prog'/depressive rock act, same for Katatonia although I heard that their new album is good. Paradise Lost tried rock for a couple of albums then realesed a Depeche Mode like eletronica album before going back to their earlier stuff era Icon, but just with clean vocals. their two new album, Symble Of Life and Paradise Lost are fairly good.
Almost every doom act from that time did the same thing, exept My Dying Bride. That still realeses great doom albums. Their first three albums (As the Flower Withers, Turn Loose The Swans and The Angel And The Dark River) are recommended to those looking for great doom/death metal.
They did have a rather expirimental album called 34.788%... Complete in which the expirimanted with electronia and industrial rock.
Alot of MDB fans hate that album but I find it kind of good.
And Agalloch.
Actually, everybody check out Agalloch. Because they are really quite unbelievably good.
Oh, and a query/clarification to the above post...you mean the new Samael material, right? The wierd, oriental/industrial/rap/space metal stuff?
Good stuff, actually. Many fans of their old stuff (ie, me) hate it though.
Definitelly, Agalloch are briliiant folk metal. Everyone should hear their Sol Invictus cover for Kneel To The Cross.
And Samael's new stuff is more like trans metal then industrial metal. Pretty good in live concerts though.
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I really, really love Agalloch.
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Samael and Agalloch kick a world of ass.
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Eh, At the Gates are overrated. I prefer Carcass and Dark Tranquility, to be honest.
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Definitelly, Agalloch are briliiant folk metal. Everyone should hear their Sol Invictus cover for Kneel To The Cross.
Actually, everyone should just hear Sol Invictus, but that's a whole different thread.
I mean, seriously though, when you're a metal band, and your stated influences include Katatonia, Ulver, Sol Invictus, The 3rd and the Mortal and Swans there is little room to lose.
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I'm far too lazy to read over the entirety of this thread, but i did read the first page and a half or so.
All I have to say is that this is relevant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_%28music%29
I would like to add I want to punch anyone in the face that says "Metallica isn't Metal" just because, that's really stupid. Sure, things may have got a LOT harder than when they first started, but they were, in fact, a heavy metal band. This isn't necissarily because I like Metallica (I mean, I do like the band) but mostly because people that try and change what something means really annoy me.
Anyway,
I guess a lot of what I listen to could be classified as metal. I'm really too lazy to list it, though. I find a vast majority of stuff in the genre is boring. For me, the vocalist can't be annoying to listen to, which most of them are. Awesome, insane guitar shit doesn't cover up a god-awful voice. (Example: I love Yngwie J. Malmsteen's stuff where he doesn't sing, but as soon as he opens his mouth, OH GOD MAKE THE HORROR STOP.)
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Metallica isn't metal. Metallica was metal. That's the argument, and I tend to agree with it.
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Metallica isn't metal. Metallica was metal. That's the argument, and I tend to agree with it.
Funnily enough I think that the 'Metallica - pro or con' thing has been done to death on every BB in existance.
Let's move on.
I like Linkin Park. Surely that band is totally harmless and will not spark bloody feuds like Metallica does?
:)
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I like Linkin Park. Surely that band is totally harmless and will not spark bloody feuds like Metallica does?
:)
Batten down the hatches!
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LOLZ LINKIN PARK MOER LIKE LINKIN POO AMIRITE?
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LOL COCKS LOL!
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Funnily enough I think that the 'Metallica - pro or con' thing has been done to death on every BB in existance.
Oh, I actually really like the newer Metallica, but it's just plain not metal. I guess I should have put in how it's not an insult or anything to call Metallica not metal.
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Well, at least something we can all agree with is that Metallica is no longer trash metal.
I kindof think they're still metal. Just plain metal with a crapload of grunge influences.
Well, except St. Anger. That's more like nü-metal. But I kind of pretend that was never made.
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I kindof think they're still metal. Just plain metal with a crapload of grunge influences.
Try craploads of money influences.
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Try craploads of money influences.
I say we drop this. It doesn't matter why they did it, they did, and so now we have to choose whether we like to listen to it or not. Or we could just argue about it on an internet message board. That sort of works too...
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Recently got the 25 metal musts (from Kerrang) and I gotta say I'm loveing it all. I've taken a particular likeing to roots bloody roots by sepultura
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Try craploads of money influences.
I say we drop this. It doesn't matter why they did it, they did, and so now we have to choose whether we like to listen to it or not. Or we could just argue about it on an internet message board. That sort of works too...
Youre right. Lets drop this.
I just hate that album.
Anyway, 15goingon5, Roots is a great Sepultura album.
Try Chaos A.D. if youre into it,
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Can we argue about industrial some more? I'm good at that one.
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I really like Ministery's A Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste album.
Looking for somthing similer, got anything to recommend?
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Oh boy do I!!!!
Pretty much all of ministry's side projects are good. Try Revolting Cocks, 1000 Homo DJs and My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult.
I particularly recommend Revolting Cocks.
For a more metal vibe try their newest album, Houses of the Mole.
Electric Hellfire Club aren't really like Ministry but they have a very evil metally vibe. Desert Storm is a good song by them. I can't recommend an album unfortunately.
Noisebox are a good sample based Industrial outfit with some really clever arrangements.
Then theres my perenial favourites Laibach. Opus Dei for crazy industrial marching anthems or their other albums for super heavy guitar driven fury.
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I totally did not know My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult was a Ministry side project. Awesome. Also, Laibach are great.
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And of course Ministry's 'Psalm 69' album.
"And now...it's time...to give a little love back to God..."
One of my favourite moments in music. Ever.
Just listening to some Edge of Sanity atm. How much discussion of them has there been this thread? Because, make no bones about it, the best MDM band EVER. There are contenders, of course, but they blow them out the water. If anyone here hasn't heard the track 'Edge of Sanity - Enigma' then go an acquire it. NOW.
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Jesus Built My Hotrod is the best song on there.
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I'm actually curious as to how that's going to sound live, as that's actually Gibby Haynes of the Butthole Surfers singing.
I'm sure Jourgensen can keep up though. With all luck, I'll be too drunk to care.
Also, any fan of this song needs to get their hands on Eläkeläiset - Jesus Hotwired my Wheelchair.
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You're seeing Ministry? I'm pretty sure I hate you out of jealousy.
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Current Wacken Open Air confirmed bands:
Aborted
Amon Amarth
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter
Atheist
Battlelore
Bloodthorn
Born From Pain
Celtic Frost
Children of Bodom
D'espairs Ray
The Dogma
Ektomorf
Emperor
End of Green
Finntroll
Gamma Ray
In Extremo
Korpiklaani
Legion of the Damned
Metal Inquisitor
Ministry
Motorhead
Michael Schenker Group
Nevermore
Opeth
Orphaned Land
Primal Fear
Scorpions
Six Feet Under
Soilwork
Subway to Sally
Uli Jon Roth
Victory
WE
Wintersun
Lets put it like this: I don't need porn to jack off to anymore.
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Current Wacken Open Air confirmed bands:
AWESOME BANDS
I pretty much hate you (or more accurately hate the fact that I can't go to this festival but hating on you is more fun).
Bastard bastard bastard nunfucking hobbitchrist.
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I would kill cute little bunnies to see Atheist live.
Godamnit!
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I would kill cute little bunnies to see Atheist live.
Godamnit!
And this, my friends, is why metalheads are given bad names :)
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Dude, my friend isn't a metalhead, but he, at one point, would have strangled a puppy for a day off.
Oh, wait. He was a gamer. That's why.
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And you can go get a beer/take a piss/do anything but listen while Six Feet Under is on!
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If Cannibal Corpse hadn't cancelled that would have been so many more toilet breaks.
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Wait, CC and Six Feet Under were going to be there? That's like a critical mass that would cause the end of the world.
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I blame Chris Barnes for fronting the two worst DM bands I can think of.
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CC and SFU on the same stage..
My ears hurt just thinking about it, and not in the good way.
And there are loads of metalheads gamers. That explains so many things.
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CC and SFU on the same stage..
My ears hurt just thinking about it, and not in the good way.
And there are loads of metalheads gamers. That explains so many things.
We will know all is lost when bands start making Counter Strike themed music. "Omgz0r I pwn t3h n00bs" will be in instant classic >.>
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There already is a black metal group who write their name and everything else in 1337 speak. I can't remember the name ever though, because it's too retarded.
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I can already see the album name.. "Full M00n Satanic Pwning"
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We will know all is lost when bands start making Counter Strike themed music. "Omgz0r I pwn t3h n00bs" will be in instant classic >.>
A DJ friend of mine who I also game with made an ~8 minute megamix of hip hop beats, chilled ambient sounds, and the .wav radio commands from CS.
It's actually pretty good.
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There already is a black metal group who write their name and everything else in 1337 speak. I can't remember the name ever though, because it's too retarded.
That's pretty fucking retarded.
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I'm pretty sure that's an insult to retards everywhere, Kai.
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Well, I'm having trouble describing it without discriminating against SOMEONE.
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Well, it seems to me that their skulls are completely empty. What living demographic will be offended by that?
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Well, it seems to me that their skulls are completely empty. What living demographic will be offended by that?
Coroners?
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To be fair, it was almost certainly a joke group. They might be quite good, as every other joke black metal band I can think of that actually plays black metal (Sportlov, Satan's Penguins, Blackthrone) are pretty ace.
Fuck, I love Blackthrone.
"Panzerfaust Division Blackthrone
Fistfucking the face of you 666 times in a day"
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Well, it seems to me that their skulls are completely empty. What living demographic will be offended by that?
Dead people?
Oh wait, you said living demographic... umm... pop stars?
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I realize the discussion has sort of moved on from there, but on the issue of ideology in music and whether to listen to anything Varg is connected with, I'm a Christian and still listen to Emperor, Darkthrone, Watain, Finntroll, Mayhem, 1349, and assorted other bands that are really really anti-Christian.
I've just sort of learned to appreciate the music on its on merits, though I can't say that I'm always completely comfortable listening to Inno a Satana, even though I don't believe Satan exists except as the evil side of human nature.
This separating music from beliefs and actions of its artists goes for countless other musical styles besides "satanic" metal though, I can listen to bebop without feeling like I need to be a heroin addict.
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I personally don't have much that could be called metal; the only stuff that really comes close is Swans and Lightning Bolt (Don't know if you'd classify Lightning Bolt as metal, though). I'm pretty interested in checking it out more, however.
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So go for the "basics", Mercyful Fate and Judas Priest mostly.
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And Maiden. And Paranoid.
Which was probably my first album.
I bought ti 'cause my 50 year old father was singing along wiht it.
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If you like Swans, get yourself some old My Dying Bride.
They are almost like the Swans metal tribute band at times. Especially when you consider stuff like 'Transcending [Into the Exquisite]'.
Have I rhapsodised about Cryptic Wintermoon here yet? Because I'm just listening to 'Thrashomatic Overdrive' right now, and this is seriously some of the best shit ever.
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I just picked up Royal Hunt - Paper Blood at the local Borders book store (I have no clue how the hell they got it - but they had it!) and I would recommend it highly to fans of progressive metal. Especially if you like intense keyboard work (well, synths, but it's still awesome).
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I have been known to listen to the odd bit of metal. I'm far too lazy to elaborate.
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dragon force....
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usually i don't even like thrash.
but then so why haven't i been able to get Rumpelstiltskin Grinder's Buried In the Frontyard out of my cd player? There's no good explanation.
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"Overall thoroughness was never really an entry-requirement to metal. Obsessiveness, on the other hand.... Anyone who's railed any decent amount of blow can tell you the difference between those two things."
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...Burzum...
Did you find Daudi Baldrs really creepy too, or was it just me? It's still strangely kinda funky though...
Yesterday I had this guy ask me if I liked Nordland (Bathory) and because I've only really just been really introduced to heavy metal I kind of stumbled around for an answer while he proceeded to get all elitist on me. He called Dragonforce shitty power metal too. I was thoroughly annoyed by this because I happen to have totally fallen in love with the album of theirs I have (Inhuman Rampage) and it really annoys me when total strangers tell other total strangers that their musical tastes are shit. Quite rude.
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If I'm in the right mood, Burzum can be fucking creepy. You need to be concentrating on the music though. Preferably in the dark, cliche as it sounds (someone dig up that hilarious Burzum review they used to have at ANUS...).
Metal elitists get on my tits. I can normally stump them though.
"What the fuck dude, you like Nightwish, they're total poser shit!"
"Tell me, what did you think of the six-way 'Crushing the Unholy Trinity' Split Northern Heritage put out last year?"
"Uhhhh..."
"You remember, the one with Deathspell Omega, Stabat Mater, Musta Surma, Clandestine Blaze, Mgla and Exordium? Oh come on, first track was Diabolicus Absconditus *imitates opening riff*. Pretty fucking killer wasn't it? Absolute christraping black metal."
"uuuuuuuuhmmm...yeah..."
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in the nightside eclipse by emperor is the only black metal album i could ever get into. i've been sure why either, but i do love that album.
mostly my kind of metal is stuff like metallica, sepultura, machine head, corrosion of conformity, down (uk tour yessss!), black sabbath, fear factory, will haven, clutch, crowbar, and kyuss.
i love metal i really do but whenever i say i'm a fan peoples instantly seem to think i'm going to be some knuckle dragging head banging moron. which is a shame because there is some wonderful intelligent beautiful music that these people are going to miss out on by acting so close minded.
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Deathspell Omega
Oh do tell me, what do you think of them?
I've downloaded thier Si Monumentum Requires Circumspice album a while back, and I did'nt get a chance to listen to it yet. Any thought on them and on the album?
And to be on topic, I'm looking for good Death Metal bands, kinda ran out of stuff to listen to.
Bands in the vein of Morbid Angel, Carcass, Edge of Sanity, Anata, Dark Tranquillity, Cryptopsy and Meshuggah.
edit: Soap, props for the list.
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If I'm in the right mood, Burzum can be fucking creepy. You need to be concentrating on the music though. Preferably in the dark, cliche as it sounds (someone dig up that hilarious Burzum review they used to have at ANUS...).
Metal elitists get on my tits. I can normally stump them though.
"What the fuck dude, you like Nightwish, they're total poser shit!"
"Tell me, what did you think of the six-way 'Crushing the Unholy Trinity' Split Northern Heritage put out last year?"
"Uhhhh..."
"You remember, the one with Deathspell Omega, Stabat Mater, Musta Surma, Clandestine Blaze, Mgla and Exordium? Oh come on, first track was Diabolicus Absconditus *imitates opening riff*. Pretty fucking killer wasn't it? Absolute christraping black metal."
"uuuuuuuuhmmm...yeah..."
Dude ... I lost you at 'NightWish'.
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Is Nightwish considered poser shit now? Man, I like Nightwish.
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...Burzum...
Did you find Daudi Baldrs really creepy too, or was it just me? It's still strangely kinda funky though...
Daudi Baldrs is a beautiful album, easily his best work. I like to read the myth while listening to it by candlelight.
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usually i don't even like thrash.
but then so why haven't i been able to get Rumpelstiltskin Grinder's Buried In the Frontyard out of my cd player? There's no good explanation.
grind > thrash, that's why. check out Pig Destroyer's Prowler In The Yard.
also, ahahahah @ pwning people with metal riffs.
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Bands in the vein of Morbid Angel, Carcass, Edge of Sanity, Anata, Dark Tranquillity, Cryptopsy and Meshuggah.
That's quite a diverse range of sound, but I'd recommend:
Amon Amarth - Versus the World
At The Gates - The Red in the Sky is Ours
Arch Enemy - Burning Bridges
Arsis - A Celebration of Guilt
Bloodbath - Nightmares Made Flesh
Darkane - Rusted Angel
Entombed - Left Hand Path
Grave - Into the Grave
Insomnium - Since The Day It All Came Down
Therion - Beyond Sanctorum
Tiamat - Sumerian Cry
Unleashed - Where No Life Dwells
With the three bolded particularly recommended. (I take it, next to those, you mean 'Unorthodox' Era EOS.) Try and go for the albums I've suggested, as some of those bands (Mainly Tiamat and Therion) have evolved into stuff completely different. Everyone with a metal bone in their body should get their hands on that Amon Amarth album though, even if only because it has one of those rare fucking PERFECT metal tracks 'Death in Fire'.
I need more Pig Destroyer. Would you recommend Prowler in the Yard or Terrifier? I only have 38 Counts of Battery.
The thing about Thrash is getting the right thrash. Thrash sounds awful when it's done badly, especially as most of the best stuff's from the eighties and the production is naturally weaker. Apart from the standard list of thrash bands that normally gets rolled out, I'd particularly recommend Tankard, Sabbat and Hobb's Angel of Death.
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well, ultimately i'd recommend both, Terrifier is an awesome album, and has a very violent air to it (even for pig destroyer!) where as Prowler In The Yard is kind of the definitive Pig Destroyer album, that most fans say is their prime. Terrifier is great, Prowler is great. Start with prowler, then terrifier, if you only want one though.
Also, agreed 115% on Death In Fire being the perfect track.
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I'm on a quest to track down the perfect metal tracks, in order to make the most metal mix CD in the Universe, and thus herald Ragnarok. Problem is it's all so bloody subjective. I'm pretty sure 'Death in Fire' is on there though, along with 'For Those Who Died' by Sabbat, 'All Guns Blazing' by Judas Priest and 'Damned in Black' by Immortal should have definite places on there.
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Let me know when you finish that list, I'm interested in hearing it. I could stand to get a few more decent metal bands in my sphere of interest =P.
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sounds like a worthy cause to me, let us know how it goes !
and surely sabbath bloody sabbath demands a place on that mixcd ;)
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Only if it's the Iron Maiden cover, which is so much better than the original it's fucking unbelievable.
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I don't listen to much metal, hard rock maybe but not straight metal.
I have actually tried but listening to:
Skyclad - Prince of the Poverty Line
Immortal - Battles of the North
some of The Human Equation
some Iron Maiden greatest hits
God Forbid - Gone Forever
Soulfly - Prophecy just haven't sparked my interest. My little brother, who is a huge screamo/emo/hardcore fan, keeps telling me that the good metal is in reality metalcore. But I really dislike metalcore, especially the variant where it is all shouting and trashing away. I think my main problem with metal is the oft ridiculous feel and inane lyrics, with the exception of Skyclad every metal band I have heard has blah lyrics.
I would like to hear some more Ulver, since their song Christmas is a really good slice of madness. Though I suppose it is not straight heavy metal.
Also I think Khar mentioned Edge of Sanity when he talked about Brudevalsen, whom I like, in the forced listening thread.
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Metal elitists get on my tits. I can normally stump them though.
"What the fuck dude, you like Nightwish, they're total poser shit!"
"Tell me, what did you think of the six-way 'Crushing the Unholy Trinity' Split Northern Heritage put out last year?"
"Uhhhh..."
"You remember, the one with Deathspell Omega, Stabat Mater, Musta Surma, Clandestine Blaze, Mgla and Exordium? Oh come on, first track was Diabolicus Absconditus *imitates opening riff*. Pretty fucking killer wasn't it? Absolute christraping black metal."
"uuuuuuuuhmmm...yeah..."
I wish I could have pwned him with my metal knowledge. Instead I was basically like "you're stupid" and put my headphones back on lol
And Praeserpium Machinarum, I agree about Ulver, that entire album was really quite strange and awesome.
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It depends what you mean by 'blah' lyrics, there are certainly some metal bands with excellent lyrics. I'd point out My Dying Bride, Agalloch, Acid Bath, Edge of Sanity/Dan Swano, Cruachan and a few others...What is it you object to though? Lyrical prowess or subject matter? If it's the latter there's not much hope for you liking metal lyrically. Even Skyclads approach doesn't stray too far from the metal subject matter approach. Look at how they sing about environmentalism in 'The Disenchanted Forest' or the human condition in 'The Sinful Ensemble'.
Metal is simply about dragons, motorbikes, satan, rage, mighty swords, grief, ice, forests, zombies, elation, trolls, violence, smiting, rampaging, explosions, brotherhood, vampires, hailing shit, serial killers, might, darkness and so on and so forth. It's a complete opposite, as I think Jeph has pointed out in another thread, of hipsters singing witty little numbers about the sex life of a spork. And that's why it is so damn awesome.
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Lyrical prowess, and subject matter in some cases. I am not squeamish concerning subject matter, just that some are mediocre such as Soulfly and God Forbid. Maybe I just haven't been exposed to the right stuff, I mean I appreciate songs about "hailing shit" as much as the next guy.
It's when they try to sound evil/krieg/whatever and end up sounding ridiculous that I object. I also seem to have a problem with "shoddy" production for most part, I just can't take it, I felt that way about Immortal for example.
About the ones you mentioned, what is a good starting point?
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Bands in the vein of Morbid Angel, Carcass, Edge of Sanity, Anata, Dark Tranquillity, Cryptopsy and Meshuggah.
That's quite a diverse range of sound, but I'd recommend:
Amon Amarth - Versus the World
At The Gates - The Red in the Sky is Ours
Arch Enemy - Burning Bridges
Arsis - A Celebration of Guilt
Bloodbath - Nightmares Made Flesh
Darkane - Rusted Angel
Entombed - Left Hand Path
Grave - Into the Grave
Insomnium - Since The Day It All Came Down
Therion - Beyond Sanctorum
Tiamat - Sumerian Cry
Unleashed - Where No Life Dwells
I already know with Bloodbath and Amon Amarth, but I will check out those bands, thanks. And I only have one EOS album, The Spectral Sorrows, that I totally love. Next time that I'll be in The Metal Shop I'll pick myself a couple of albums.
Oh, about that Altimet Metal mix CD.
Anthrax's Cought In A Mosh should be there. Absolutly.
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About the ones you mentioned, what is a good starting point?
Acid Bath - Paegan Terrorism Tactics
Agalloch - The Mantle
Cruachan - Folk-Lore
Dan Swano - Moontower
Edge of Sanity - Purgatory Afterglow
My Dying Bride - Turn Loose the Swans
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just that some are mediocre such as Soulfly and God Forbid. Maybe I just haven't been exposed to the right stuff,
Both of those bands are shining examples of the meathead lyricism strain in metal that tends to give the whole genre a bad image. All of Khar's suggestions are great. I would also recommend Enslaved-Isa or Beneath the Lights, Virgin Black, Borknagar, Dark Tranquillity, and Opeth (yeah I know they are an obvious choice) for just a few bands across genres that have good lyrics.
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Also check out Kalisia (http://kalisia.free.fr) while you're at it. They've got their entire first EP, Skies, up for download on their website. It's quite good progressive death metal.
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just that some are mediocre such as Soulfly and God Forbid. Maybe I just haven't been exposed to the right stuff
Both of those bands are shining examples of the meathead lyricism strain in metal that tends to give the whole genre a bad image.
thats half the reason i get annoyed by all these people (mostly on blabbermouth.net) who keep bitching at sepultura for not doing a reunion with max cavalera. have these people actually heard what he's been releasing for the past 7 years?
lyrically, his work has decended into a mire of two line songs and the same old tired "tribe" "what goes around" "eye for an eye" "god the most high" cliches that were simplistic when he first adopted them all that time ago and borderline moronic now.
musically, soulfly have been pretty stagnant too. i'm not saying all there albums sound the same, it's just that they seem to clinging to the nearest trend in metal at the time. for example primitive found itself very much in numetal waters and newie dark days appears to have fully adopted the current metalcore blueprint, in a desperate bit for credability.
it's incredible to think that really max cavalera and soulfly are still trading upon the reputation and popularity of Roots and Chaos AD, whereas sepultura themselves have continued trying to evolve their sound with every album.
they may not be as successful as they once were, not every stylistic change has worked and derrick green might not be to everyone's taste but with this new album Dante XXI they have shown that they are brave and talented enough to make these changes work and they have shown who truly is the superior band artistically.
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Arise and Beneath the Remains are pretty much the only really good Sepultura albums. I haven't heard Dante XXI yet, but considering everything after Chaos A.D., I don't have my hopes up.
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Having seen both live recently, I'd say Sepultura are much better than Soulfly, though there was this sort of Metal Samba thing Soulfly did that was pretty classy. I don't really listen to either band. I went to the Soulfly concert to see Skindred.
Now, Skindred, that's a good band. About as tr00 metal as the popes left testicle, but great fun.
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You'd be suprised how tr00 the pope's left nut really is. It's all like, "FACEPAINT KRIEG RAAAAAAURGH". THe right one likes to seperate itself from it's smaller twin as much as possible.
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To quote Helloween, "Heavy Metal is the law."
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arbitrary but awesome recommendation list of metal cds i havent been able to turn off this weekend.
Behemoth - Demigod
Kataklysm - Serenity In Fire
Immortal - Sons Of Northern Darkness
Gorgoroth - Twilight Of The Idols (In Conspiracy With Satan)
Marduk - Panzer Division Marduk
Animosity - Empires
i need to go on a metal downloading bender.
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Panzer Division is such an under-rated album.
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kiss.
my brother actually has a tattoo of Ace in full Destroyer-era (i think) costume les paul in hand rocking out
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Metal elitists get on my tits. I can normally stump them though.
"What the fuck dude, you like Nightwish, they're total poser shit!"
"Tell me, what did you think of the six-way 'Crushing the Unholy Trinity' Split Northern Heritage put out last year?"
"Uhhhh..."
"You remember, the one with Deathspell Omega, Stabat Mater, Musta Surma, Clandestine Blaze, Mgla and Exordium? Oh come on, first track was Diabolicus Absconditus *imitates opening riff*. Pretty fucking killer wasn't it? Absolute christraping black metal."
"uuuuuuuuhmmm...yeah..."
It's much easier to be a metal elitist, when you're from Finland (and/or know the guy from Deathspell Omega/Clandestine Blaze/Northern Heritage/Grunt/Creamface/Freak Animal/etc), it seems.
But Deathspell Omega still rules.
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It's much easier to be a metal elitist if you even know who Deathspell Omega fucking are.
I know one guy off the internet who fulfills that criteria, and he likes emo music.
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I'm pretty sure the Apocalypse would be very nigh, if I saw an emo kid walking down the street with a Deathspell Omega t-shirt.
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I've seen him sporting a Lykathea Aflame shirt. It ain't quite as bad, but it's close.
Outside of emo rubbish, his musical taste is actually rather excellent. He used to be very metal, but never really dropped his mainstream tastes, and became progressively more emo when he found he could get obscene amounts of action with a funny fringe.
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Heh. I only just realised there's forums here. :D
I'll just add a quick "Hell yes" to Deathspell Omega. \m/
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I still remember the days when all you needed to be a black metal elitist was to know Beherit or Mütiilation. Snif, those days will never come back, I guess.
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I know a guy who's got a Mütiilation vinyl, hand-numbered in blood.
That still counts for something.
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This is so offtopic! we should be talking baout rl haevymeatal like stone sour or or or my chemical romanse or or B B King! (i think thats black metaul because he is black.)
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That completely reminded me of "Evil Joe" by Racer X. If you're not familiar with the tune, it's reasonably amusing, but kind of silly. However, the basis was a prank call made by one of their friends. He called up this dude in response to a guitarist sought for a black metal band, and the guy pretended that he misunderstood the ad and thought it was for a metal guitarist who was black. Stupid hilarity ensues. It's on their site (http://www.racerxband.com/cool.htm). Just click on "Evil Joe" if you want to find out about it.
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we should be talking baout rl haevymeatal like stone sour or or or my chemical romanse or or B B King! (i think thats black metaul because he is black.)
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