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Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: jcknbl on 09 Mar 2006, 13:59
Ok, so I have this friend. He's my best friend actual and I've known him for like 10 years. Unfortunately things have come between us: music that is.

Among his favorite bands listed on Facebook: Jack Johnson, OAR, Five for Fighting, Howie Day, Jamiroquai (wtf?), String Cheese Incident, Coldplay, Dave Matthews Band, Counting Crows, Gavin DeGraw, (non-ironically) Sean Paul, and wait for it...Creed.

Now that makes him seem too far gone but he does like some sorta-ok to good bands: Queen, the Beatles, the Shins, Atmosphere, Springsteen, REM, Hendrix, Kanye West, the Streets etc.

He also has considerable musical talent (much more than I have), at least in terms of instruments (piano, guitar, etc.) So is he beyond hope or can I save his musical soul? He's heard a bit of Deerhoof (my favorite band, but admittedly probably a bad place to start) and said it was "terrible".  What sort of bands/records/songs should I try and introduce him to? Any genre is fine but somehow I don't think, say, Cannibal Corpse is the place to start.



ps. please don't start commenting on all of these bands. I realize some people like the bands I spoke poorly of and dislike the ones I mentioned as ok or good. The point is I'm pretty sure no one here likes ALL the bands I listed as bad so everyone can help.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Mikendher on 09 Mar 2006, 14:02
Play Rebellion (Lies) for him (the arcade fire), specifically the part where it changes key. He'll probably catch on to that and be like "woah". :-)
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: pat101 on 09 Mar 2006, 14:05
While I second the Arcade Fire play, also sit down with him and watch Talking Heads "Stop Making Sense" DVD. I mean if he's not a fan after that he's hopeless.


PS. Nothing wrong with busting out some Jamiroquai
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Misereatur on 09 Mar 2006, 14:06
Let him listen to some Porcupine Tree.
I think that would help
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Gryff on 09 Mar 2006, 14:13
PUNCH IT OUT OF HIM. IT IS THE ONLY WAY
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: nescience on 09 Mar 2006, 14:15
I say go historical.  Start with the Velvet Underground and the Clash and go from there.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Gryff on 09 Mar 2006, 14:16
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE HAS SOME GOOD IDEAS I THINK. START FROM THERE
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: rive gauche on 09 Mar 2006, 14:21
Quote from: pat101
...sit down with him and watch Talking Heads "Stop Making Sense" DVD.


Pretty much.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 09 Mar 2006, 14:24
just have him watch Fullmetal Jacket. if he doesnt change his ways after that then hes hopeless and you'll have to put him down and get a new one.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Staralfur on 09 Mar 2006, 14:30
How about letting the guy listen to music he likes? Sheesh.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Gryff on 09 Mar 2006, 14:31
STARALFUR FRIENDS DO NOT LET FRIENDS LISTEN TO CREED
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Staralfur on 09 Mar 2006, 14:32
Listening to Creed isn't as bad as forcing your view of 'good music' onto other people.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: jcknbl on 09 Mar 2006, 14:34
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How about letting the guy listen to music he likes? Sheesh.


1. He's my best friend, ergo we hang out all the time. This generally includes driving in a car while listening to music.

2. It actually started with him mocking my music. The topic has begun to pop up in most of our conversations. At this point its unavoidable.

3. I don't see how introducing someone to music they havn't heard is forcing it on anyone. Any suggestion of holding a gun to his head was made in jest.

(Mostly)

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A CLOCKWORK ORANGE HAS SOME GOOD IDEAS I THINK. START FROM THERE


Quoted for hilarity.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: E. Spaceman on 09 Mar 2006, 14:38
Quote from: Staralfur
Listening to Creed isn't as bad as forcing your view of 'good music' onto other people.



Listening to Creed isn't as bad as being Stalin or Hitler. Aside from that you can't get worse.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: KharBevNor on 09 Mar 2006, 15:04
What, just like, list good music?

That would be insane.

But, make him listen to Placebo. It will improve his musical taste or horribly skew his sexuality. Either way, fun.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: jcknbl on 09 Mar 2006, 15:05
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What, just like, list good music?


Good music that someone who listens to bad music might be receptable to.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: nescience on 09 Mar 2006, 15:32
Quote from: KharBevNor
But, make him listen to Placebo. It will improve his musical taste or horribly skew his sexuality. Either way, fun.


Indeed, Placebo appeals to quite a wide variety of people who have never heard them before.  And yes, it may turn your friend into a Burger Queen.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: amok on 09 Mar 2006, 17:24
I prefer Jamiroquai to all of your "sorta-ok to good" bands except Hendrix *shrug*

If you're intent on converting him to the genres you like, just play him the most popular/widely-regarded-as-good bands in each genre. If he rejects each and every one of them, give up and move onto another genre.

Say... Radiohead, Tool, Porcupine Tree and Anathema for arty/progressive rock. Clutch, Monster Magnet, QOTSA, Sabbath for straight rock 'n' roll. Decemberists, Ted Leo, that fuckin Sufjan Stevens and Neutral Milk Hotel for indie. Etc.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Captain Compromise on 09 Mar 2006, 18:10
Uhh...try interpol?
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Kai on 09 Mar 2006, 19:41
Or we could totally not try Interpol.



Frank Zappa. Go for it.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Coonstar on 09 Mar 2006, 21:05
Why Interpol? Why? No.

I do agree with the "go historical" bit. I think it's better to continually forcefully introduce a handful of "classic" bands that already have quite a chunk of work, rather than a whole bunch of new bands whom may just have like an album or so under their belts.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 09 Mar 2006, 21:17
Quote from: Staralfur
How about letting the guy listen to music he likes? Sheesh.


Our opinions are right, and his are wrong.  Is it really that hard a concept?  Plus, you should totally find some insane prog, you should definitely "put on the most technically difficult song, and skip directly to the solo part" as outlined here (http://www.metalstorm.ee/fun/view_fun.php?id=18) on rule 6.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: eyepatch on 10 Mar 2006, 08:12
What's wrong with Interpol?
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: nihilist on 10 Mar 2006, 08:40
Strap him to a chair and make him listen to Annie on repeat for 24 hours.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: ozphactor on 10 Mar 2006, 08:56
"If ever there's a girl who can rock your world, then that girl sure is ME!"

It's like a Pitchfork-approved Spice Girls. In other words, how can you not like it?
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: SailorPunk on 10 Mar 2006, 09:05
Elvis Costello
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: ASturge on 10 Mar 2006, 09:31
Buck 65!
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Dyess on 10 Mar 2006, 10:04
well he seems to like somewhat acoustic stuff so try some elliot smith.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Misereatur on 10 Mar 2006, 11:04
Quote from: Staralfur
How about letting the guy listen to music he likes? Sheesh.



A real music fan wouldnt say that.

has this forum taught you nothing?!
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Mr Blue Sky on 10 Mar 2006, 11:08
Metric, Spoon and Neko Case should help. As for Creed, well, no one is perfect.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Mikendher on 10 Mar 2006, 11:08
Bastardous Bassist: haha! that link gave me minutes of a laugh :-)
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Kai on 10 Mar 2006, 11:46
Quote from: SailorPunk
Elvis Costello



Hellz Yeah.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Thrillho on 10 Mar 2006, 15:21
Too far gone? WTF? He likes what music he likes. Leave the guy alone and stop trying to force your own bullshit on him.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Houdinimachine on 10 Mar 2006, 16:20
I would just like to say, Dave Matthews Band isn't sucky as long as you cut him off at Everyday. Anything Everyday and after is complete bullshit since Dave stopped solo writing his work.

I still think Before These Crowded Streets is damn good stuff.

As far as stuff to introduce him to, try to ease him in to it a bit. Start with the Smiths and work your way up to Sufjan. Just, for all that is holy, AVOID PAVEMENT.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Gryff on 10 Mar 2006, 16:24
Why? Steven Malkmus is King of all that is indie.
…Or at least he would be if he wasn't so damned lazy.

Also, hey, a post that not only knocks Pavement, but defends Dave Matthews. Congratulations, that's a stunner.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Houdinimachine on 10 Mar 2006, 16:36
Quote from: Gryff
Why? Steven Malkmus is King of all that is indie.
…Or at least he would be if he wasn't so damned lazy.

Also, hey, a post that not only knocks Pavement, but defends Dave Matthews. Congratulations, that's a stunner.


Defends his earlier work.

PS: Pavement is not the end all of indy rock. I got more of a thrill from Pulp.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Coonstar on 11 Mar 2006, 02:02
Quote from: eyepatch
What's wrong with Interpol?


As much as I love Turn on the Bright Lights (I listened to it every night for a whole year I think), if you want to suck somebody in your musical realm again it doesn't really make a lot of sense to introduce them to bands whom don't have much material or influence. It's more worthwhile to introduce them to "big names" whom could umbrella a bunch of styles more or had more bands influenced by them.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: TrueNeutral on 11 Mar 2006, 04:20
How about starting him on some grunge, and moving further into indie as you go? Some Pearl Jam will probably go over well to someone who likes Creed.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Misereatur on 11 Mar 2006, 05:18
I'm gonna go with TrueNeutral, Pearl Jam would be great to get him out Creed and into good music.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: TrueNeutral on 11 Mar 2006, 06:17
Succes story: It worked to get me out of Nickelback and into good music.

And really, Nickelback is even worse than Creed.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: JuniorBriano on 11 Mar 2006, 07:35
Even worse than Creed.  I wasn't aware that sentance existed.

Anyway try some Grandaddy.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 11 Mar 2006, 08:18
Cruachann. Skyclad. Anything with a fiddle.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: IronOxide on 11 Mar 2006, 09:42
My Big Rule: Don't be an ass to your friend about it. He likes what he likes.

That being said, Cake is probably the least musically offensive stuff out there. Pretty much nobody minds them, most like them.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: citylights on 11 Mar 2006, 10:05
he likes what he likes...leave it alone...unless he comes over to your house, then maybe you can subliminally plant some seeds of whatever you think good music is.

me: play some new pornographers, arcade fire, stellastarr*, or cursive. postal service is a good bet too. maybe some bright eyes....

that's just me, though. he is a seperate person...so therefore, if he likes creed, he likes creed.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Kai on 11 Mar 2006, 11:12
Quote from: BeoPuppy
Cruachann. Skyclad. Anything with a fiddle.


I wholeheartedly agree with this man/woman/person.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: jcknbl on 11 Mar 2006, 11:27
Houdinimachine,

Whats wrong with Pavement? I'm not saying I disagree I just find a lot of Pavement quite accessable and was planning to include some.


Thanks for all the great suggestions so far guys. I'm trying to put together a mix tape which I will share (along with what my friend thinks, which will probably be, "omg u suck")

I need to find myself some Skyclad though. Not carried at any local record stores I've looked at.


And re: everyone who thinks I'm elitist/an ass/whatever for trying to introduce my friend to some new music:

Shut up. This is my best friend, we're assholes to each other. We spend a lot of time together much of which includeds listening to music. He mocks my taste. The rhetoric about him "being too far gone" was obviously a joke. Its fucking music, k?
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Kai on 11 Mar 2006, 12:00
Skyclad are a bitch to find; I myself could only find them by pirating. I don't know why. Shittastical distribution deal, I guess. I think someone mentioned they're on iTUnes, which is pretty fancy. If you get just one, get Prince of the Poverty Line. It wins.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: KharBevNor on 11 Mar 2006, 13:00
Quote from: BeoPuppy
Cruachann. Skyclad. Anything with a fiddle.


KORPIKLAANI.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Cerulaetas on 11 Mar 2006, 13:12
Quote from: Bastardous Bassist
Quote from: Staralfur
How about letting the guy listen to music he likes? Sheesh.


Our opinions are right, and his are wrong.  Is it really that hard a concept?  Plus, you should totally find some insane prog, you should definitely "put on the most technically difficult song, and skip directly to the solo part" as outlined here (http://www.metalstorm.ee/fun/view_fun.php?id=18) on rule 6.


Find some way to listen to Time Requiem - Brutal Metal.  The title of the song is misleading, but it's pretty much the best song I've ever heard to apply to that rule.  This is because the entire song is an instrumental solo wankfest that will either leave his/her ears bleeding from getting sandblasted by so much raw progness, or will convert him forever.

Also, jcknbl, my musical tastes disagree with yours.  Therefore, as per the rules of musical taste, I must try to convert you to listen to what I listen to.

So, go out and buy immediately:
Therion - Vovin
Nightwish - Oceanborn
Finntroll - Nattfodd
Heavenly - Dust to Dust
Celesty - Legacy of Hate
The Old Dead Tree - The Perpetual Motion
Divercia - Cycle of Zero

Got it?  Mkay, good.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 11 Mar 2006, 13:36
Quote from: Kai
Quote from: BeoPuppy
Cruachann. Skyclad. Anything with a fiddle.


I wholeheartedly agree with this man/woman/person.


Man.

And their CD's are easy to find here, in the Netherlands ... plus... on line buying?
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Praeserpium Machinarum on 11 Mar 2006, 14:32
I burrowed some Skyclad at the library, but then again danish libraries are awesome.

Taking his tastes into account, I would say:

Radiohead
Soundgarden
Grateful Dead
Jefferson Airplane
Rufus Wainwright
The Go-Betweens(might work, if he can take the 80's sound)
Prefab Sprout
Ron Sexsmith
Nick Drake
Djosos Krost(it is dub, reasonably close to dancehall, I hope)
Stars
Dizzee Rascal(akin to The Streets, the vocals might scare him off though)
Goldie Lookin' Chain
Neil Young(the Springsteen)
The Byrds
Big Star
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: KharBevNor on 11 Mar 2006, 15:18
It's the crowning irony that Skyclad are actually HUGE in Europe (only Metallica outsells them in the metal category in Greece) but totally unknown in the UK. Especially as their songs make constant use of British slang and other references and tend to be about things like Thatcherism, London, Merry England and what rotters the French are (though I suppose most Europeans can get behind that one).
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Kai on 11 Mar 2006, 15:20
I also heard they're huge in like, Brazil or some shit.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 11 Mar 2006, 15:23
Quote from: KharBevNor
It's the crowning irony that Skyclad are actually HUGE in Europe (only Metallica outsells them in the metal category in Greece) but totally unknown in the UK. Especially as their songs make constant use of British slang and other references and tend to be about things like Thatcherism, London, Merry England and what rotters the French are (though I suppose most Europeans can get behind that one).


Yeah, they do okay here. Meanwhile Martin felt he had to leave the band because he wasn't getting enough money out of it to live on.

People should buy more music.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: KharBevNor on 11 Mar 2006, 15:34
Metal Fact #1: Everyone is fucking huge in Brazil and Japan. EVERYONE. Bands that barely ever enter the United States will do whopping South American tours.

Metal Fact #2: No one is huge in Russia*. That's still where all the scariest fans come from though.

Actually, metal is just wierd like that. The most charming thing about it, I think, is the global appeal it seems to have. Metalheads are fucking everywhere.

Also, from what I've read Martins reasons for leaving were more complicated than that. There was friction developing between the members of the band, and, relevantly, I remember reading in an interview shortly after that the refusal of the rest of Skyclad to travel to South America for a tour because they were worried about their safety there prompted a massive row which crystallised his desire to quit. By all accounts, Martin has an absolutely corrosive personality. He certainly does have a talent for breaking up really great bands. He's becoming a full-time writer now, they had an interview with him in Terrorizer.

*Except Gorky Park, and they SO don't count.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Rubby on 11 Mar 2006, 15:36
Quote from: BeoPuppy
Quote from: KharBevNor
It's the crowning irony that Skyclad are actually HUGE in Europe (only Metallica outsells them in the metal category in Greece) but totally unknown in the UK. Especially as their songs make constant use of British slang and other references and tend to be about things like Thatcherism, London, Merry England and what rotters the French are (though I suppose most Europeans can get behind that one).


Yeah, they do okay here. Meanwhile Martin felt he had to leave the band because he wasn't getting enough money out of it to live on.

People should buy more music.

Now that's just silly, I've never made enough money to live on with music (well no that's not true but those weren't very good times for me), yet I still play in bands. Come on you crazy metal heads.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: KharBevNor on 11 Mar 2006, 15:39
(see above)

Actually, Martin DID make enough money to live on with music, when I think about it. Well, barely at least. You can tell because after about 1995 every song stops being about how fucking poor he is. :p There's all sorts of delightful stories of him and Graeme English surviving for a month on nothing but cold baked bean sandwiches and at one point getting to the stage where their only liquid assets were 19 pence in their electricity meter. In fact, not selling out despite really having to scrape along at the bottom is one of the reasons I love Skyclad. Of every band I can think of, they have ABSOLUTE integrity.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 11 Mar 2006, 15:44
Quote from: KharBevNor
(see above)

Actually, Martin DID make enough money to live on with music, when I think about it. You can tell because after about 1995 every song stops being about how fucking poor he is. :p There's all sorts of delightful stories of him and Graeme English surviving for a month on nothing but cold baked bean sandwiches and at one point getting to the stage where their only liquid assets were 19 pence in their electricity meter.


Delightful, I'm sure ...

I read somewhere that he quit the band in desperation after they did not want to go in search of a new distribution deal which would be more profitable.

And something with christmas, his kid and lack of presents.

Sad thing, really.

Are we slowly drifting off-topic a tad, by the way?
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: KharBevNor on 11 Mar 2006, 15:48
I think he probably makes up a different reason each interview. Still one of my musical heroes though.

I mean...they already had a distribution deal with Nuclear Blast for Folkemon,  I find it hard to see how you really could get better than that...It's not like any major would likely touch Skyclad with a barge-pole.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Kai on 11 Mar 2006, 15:48
Shh! Don't bring attention to that! We're talking about Skyclad right now.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 11 Mar 2006, 15:51
Quote from: KharBevNor
I think he probably makes up a different reason each interview. Still one of my musical heroes though.

I mean...they already had a distribution deal with Nuclear Blast for Folkemon,  I find it hard to see how you really could get better than that...It's not like any major would likely touch Skyclad with a barge-pole.


It would be hard to accept Skyclad with a major label looking over their (awesome) lyrics.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: KharBevNor on 11 Mar 2006, 15:56
Damn right we are. SKYCLAD SKYCLAD SKYCLAD.

Indeed, I think I'll just put on a spot of the 'clad right now.

"Slaves to the only God they know
Drawn by the song of the cosmic diva
The Lord of the Flies is a dandy beau
King of the hill in the new Bohemia
Where does he come from their redeemer?
Where does he go? They never learn.
What is the price for the true believer
A quickening death in the womb of the worm. "

I think a good part of the genius of Martin's lyrics is that he understands the use of ALL lyrical poetic devices. So many people just rhyme ABAB or AABB. He cracks out the alliteration and the internal rhymes and the irregular rhyming schemes and crazy meters and goodness knows what. Absolute brilliance.

@BeoPuppy: Yeah, Penny Dreadful is about as embarrasing a song you could have in your catalogue on a major as you can get. Almost as bad as 'Sucks' by KMFDM (Wouldn't sell to a major for a couple of bucks, no doubt about it KMFDM Sucks!).
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Post by: BeoPuppy on 11 Mar 2006, 16:01
Oops.

Lyric fuck up ...

"Slaves to the only God they know
Drawn by the song of the cosmic diva
The Lord of the Flies is a dandy beau
King of the hill in the new Bohemia
Where does he come from their redeemer?
Where does he go? They never learn.
What is the price for the true believer
Rotting away in the womb of the worm.

Death is the hand of a handsome stranger.
He speaks, heads turn.
Babes unaware of impending danger,
Quickening death in the womb of the worm."


I'm SUCH a fanboy.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: KharBevNor on 11 Mar 2006, 16:07
I can never get all the different types of death in the womb right!

Aaaand now...THE most motormouthed song I've ever heard, 'Skyclad' itself. How the hell can he get his pronunciation so good?

"And whatever life may hand me I'll accept it with good grace;
For I'm just a simple lad with few ideas about my station,
So ale and song will apt suffice to keep me in my place.
How can you know the cost of everything yet never see its worth?
If you think because you've paid the piper you should call the tune:
Well think again my friend life is a game of chance.
By Fate's command we win or lose,
But still retain the right to choose
If we should stumble on, or shed our cares and DANCE!"

One of my fucking favourite segments of lyrics ever. And it looks like the next song is 'Something to Cling To', which means so much to me that if I'm drunk I cry when I listen to it.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: jcknbl on 11 Mar 2006, 16:11
Cerulaetas wrote:

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Also, jcknbl, my musical tastes disagree with yours. Therefore, as per the rules of musical taste, I must try to convert you to listen to what I listen to.


Haha! Well I'm pretty sure you have no idea what my musical taste because its quite varied and I havn't really listed bands I like on this thread, I just listed some bands I hate and bands I don't mind.

On the other hand you're probably right. (I'm pretty sure the Heavenly you mentioned isn't the twee pop band :-) ) But I'm not making my friend buy shit, just giving him some stuff to listen to. Ergo, I'm not buying any of that but if you'd make me a mix I'd definitely listen to it enthusiastically and you might very well convert me with one or two bands.

So as soon as you want to send that to me...:-)
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: BeoPuppy on 11 Mar 2006, 16:12
I've heard him do 'Skyclad' live and he manages it on a cramped stage too, even whilst diving to keep Graeme's mic upright. Small stage.


Something to cling to .. a positive Skyclad song. Scary shit.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: KharBevNor on 11 Mar 2006, 16:13
Quote from: jcknbl
(I'm pretty sure the Heavenly you mentioned isn't the twee pop band :-) )


I've actually seen quite a few people on last.fm complaining because when their radio plays them Heavenly it's nasty scawy music that hurts their twee little ears.

MUAHAHAHAHAHA.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Nemba on 11 Mar 2006, 17:50
I think all you guys who are trying to be helpful are very admirable, but you seem to have missed something...

Deerhoof is his favourite band.

This means his oppinion is automaically useless and void and he definitely shouldn't be telling people what to listen to.

[size=0]:P I'm kidding. Please don't hurt me. How about starting with something accessible like, say, the Flaming Lips? I haven't met anyone yet who doesn't like them, and it's easy to branch out from there.[/size]
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: jcknbl on 11 Mar 2006, 19:30
Nemba's first two tracks listed from the Playlist tread.

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1. Sting - Brand new day
2. Peter Gabriel - Come Talk to Me


That is all.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 11 Mar 2006, 19:39
Quote from: citylights
if he likes creed, he likes creed.


I think what everyone is missing here is that, if someone says they like Creed, or even if they think they like Creed, they are wrong.  What they are really saying is "Help me, please!"

p.s.  Nickelback are Creed Jr.  Anybody who tries to imitate Creed are so insipidly bad that every time I think about them, I want to shoot myself, thus Nickelback is a far worse band, and I'm going to wrap this post up before I end my own life because of sheer annoyance.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Kai on 11 Mar 2006, 20:18
Quote from: jcknbl
Nemba's first two tracks listed from the Playlist tread.

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1. Sting - Brand new day
2. Peter Gabriel - Come Talk to Me


That is all.


Touche.
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Post by: citylights on 11 Mar 2006, 20:24
zing.

all i have to say is that nickelback have won the ugliest band in the world since time began.

that is all.
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Post by: E. Spaceman on 11 Mar 2006, 21:07
Quote from: jcknbl
Nemba's first two tracks listed from the Playlist tread.

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1. Sting - Brand new day
2. Peter Gabriel - Come Talk to Me


That is all.


Hey, I kinda like Peter Gabriel.  SLEDGEHAMMER!
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Post by: Cerulaetas on 11 Mar 2006, 21:18
Quote from: jcknbl
Haha! Well I'm pretty sure you have no idea what my musical taste because its quite varied and I havn't really listed bands I like on this thread, I just listed some bands I hate and bands I don't mind.


Meh, I'm just being so tongue-in-cheek that I believe my tongue is now in the next room over, and I'm going to have to go retrieve it.  I'm not too concerned with changing people's musical tastes, most of the people I know around here like indie (hell, I live in "the indie capitol of the world"), which I'm not too fond of, and I think it could be said that most of the people I know aren't too fond of my music either (or at least, wouldn't be too fond of it if they knew what I listened to).

That being said, people tend to find it annoying when others try to change their musical tastes, especially with repeated efforts, and I guess it's just best to avoid the musical issue.  So, rather than constantly arguing about what's getting played on the car speakers, try to find a bunch of CDs that you can both agree that you'd listen to, and use those for the car rides.  That way you won't have to argue over who's got control of the stereo or whether somebody's music sucks or what.

And no, the Heavenly I mentioned isn't a twee pop band ;)
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Post by: Nemba on 12 Mar 2006, 00:52
Quote from: jcknbl
Nemba's first two tracks listed from the Playlist tread.

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1. Sting - Brand new day
2. Peter Gabriel - Come Talk to Me


That is all.
You obviously didn't read my post entirely.

Sometimes there are hidden meanings.

Edit: And both of those are plenty good enough to warrant having somewhere in the depths of a large music library.
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Post by: nescience on 12 Mar 2006, 03:05
Quote from: citylights
zing.

all i have to say is that nickelback have won the ugliest band in the world since time began.

that is all.


Hee hee... people throw rocks at Nickelback.
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Post by: BeoPuppy on 12 Mar 2006, 03:08
Quote from: nescience
Quote from: citylights
zing.

all i have to say is that nickelback have won the ugliest band in the world since time began.

that is all.


Hee hee... people throw rocks at Nickelback.


That might improve them.
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Post by: jcknbl on 12 Mar 2006, 09:55
Nemba: I'm never serious about fights over music taste. Also, not gonna lie, I really like that song from Say Anything .

IN YOU EYES! The light the heat! (YOUR EYES!) I am complete! (YOUR EYES!)



Oh wet John Cusack how you have changed our lives!



Also small text takes way too long to read and Deerhoof is still awesome. Am I the only one who really likes how this thread was hijacked by Skyclad???
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Post by: Misereatur on 12 Mar 2006, 10:11
Quote from: KharBevNor
It's the crowning irony that Skyclad are actually HUGE in Europe (only Metallica outsells them in the metal category in Greece) but totally unknown in the UK. Especially as their songs make constant use of British slang and other references and tend to be about things like Thatcherism, London, Merry England and what rotters the French are (though I suppose most Europeans can get behind that one).


Unfortunately, they're not very big here, either.
I walked into the biggest (and only) metal store in israel and asked the guy behind the counter (who is, incidentally, Orphaned Land's bass player) if they have any Skyclad albums.
He replyed: "umm.. who?"

I wanted to cry.

Sorry for going off topic, go on.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 12 Mar 2006, 10:24
Nah, I'm loving it too. Skyclad are my favourite band ever, talking about them to someone is awesome.

Quote from: BeoPuppy
Something to cling to .. a positive Skyclad song. Scary shit.


Oh, come on, they're a really positive band, in my eyes. Sure, they have some real downer tracks ('The One Piece Puzzle', 'Terminus', 'Postcard From Planet Earth', the acoustic version of 'Sins of Emission', etc.) but they've also got some of the most ridiculously quirky and upbeat songs about depression, suicide, war, loathing etc. I can think of ('Building a Ruin', 'Helium', 'Fainting By Numbers', etc.) and their socio-political tracks in particular just brim with a brilliant sort of unquenchable defiance.  I think I'm probably going to have "I'll party on in Acheron!" inscribed on my grave.

I mean, I'm sure part of it is the fact that the wordplay just wipes a permanent grin across my face. Also, I hate you. I would kill a thousand kittens to see Skyclad live with Martin.
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Post by: nescience on 12 Mar 2006, 11:15
Quote from: BeoPuppy
Quote from: nescience
Quote from: citylights
zing.

all i have to say is that nickelback have won the ugliest band in the world since time began.

that is all.


Hee hee... people throw rocks at Nickelback.


That might improve them.


It did. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQzhOyHTarU)
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Post by: citylights on 12 Mar 2006, 11:21
all i can say to explain is this:

wee chad kroeger being born. doctor promptly pulls out the ugly stick. commences beating little chad with it.

2 years later: chad playing with legos in the yard. from inside the house "time for your daily beating, chad!" calls his mother. chad ambles inside, commence beating.

years later: news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/ hi/music/newsid_2071000/2071919.stm
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Post by: nescience on 12 Mar 2006, 11:37
I happen to think that Supergrass (http://www.rc55.com/rc55/albums/album19/supergrass.sized.jpg) are collectively the ugliest person in rock, but Kroeger comes close.
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Post by: citylights on 12 Mar 2006, 11:48
WOW. that is indeed a collectively ugly person.

but what i was surprised about was that matthew bellamy was voted for in the 'uglies person in rock' category.

he's a fox!
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 12 Mar 2006, 12:03
No, I'm sorry.  Ugliest person in rock would have to be Lemmy.
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Post by: Misereatur on 12 Mar 2006, 12:03
Quote from: citylights
WOW. that is indeed a collectively ugly person.

but what i was surprised about was that matthew bellamy was voted for in the 'uglies person in rock' category.

he's a fox!


Definitelly, I'm a guy and I want to bang him.. wait.. was that out loud??


And yes, Supergrass and Motorhead are probably the ugliest bands in rock.
One might even think of Thom Yorke, but he kicks ass.
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Post by: citylights on 12 Mar 2006, 13:17
i'm a girl and i'd bang him 10 times fast.

AND he's a musical genius.

merrrrr i melt for matthew.
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 12 Mar 2006, 13:20
Pfff.  That's nothing special.  All girls want to hit that.  Misereatur, on the other hand, is demonstrating how comfortable with his sexuality he is.  Either that or he actually is gay.  I mean, uh, not that there's anything wrong with that, dude.  I'm just going to stand over here now, if that's cool with you.

Please don't make me gay.
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Post by: citylights on 12 Mar 2006, 13:27
you made me gay, girl...you made me day...I THOUGHT YOU LIKED IT THAT WAY!...you made me gay...

that said and done with...*matthew bellamy is a fox*
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Post by: KharBevNor on 12 Mar 2006, 15:07
Yeah, but any rock chick IN THE WORLD would bang Lemmy at three seconds notice. FACT.
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Post by: Cerulaetas on 12 Mar 2006, 15:46
Quote from: KharBevNor
Yeah, but any rock chick IN THE WORLD would bang Lemmy at three seconds notice. FACT.


Three seconds notice?  Uh... what about the foreplay?

Quote from: Misereatur

I walked into the biggest (and only) metal store in israel and asked the guy behind the counter (who is, incidentally, Orphaned Land's bass player) if they have any Skyclad albums.
He replyed: "umm.. who?"


YOU HAVE METAL STORES IN ISRAEL?  I am jealous... the only things we have out here are indie rock stores... NOT MY CUP OF TEA.  And if stores do sell metal, they sell crappy Americanized nu-metal.  Heck, I walked into a really big music store downtown looking for Nightwish - Once, and they didn't have it.  I even asked the people who worked there and they were all like, "Nightwish who?"
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Post by: KharBevNor on 12 Mar 2006, 16:15
Isreal is metal as fuck.

Lemmy? Foreplay? This is how it goes:

Lemmy: Oi!
Metal chick: Aye!
(unpleasant organic noises)
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 12 Mar 2006, 17:30
Quote from: KharBevNor
Yeah, but any rock chick IN THE WORLD would bang Lemmy at three seconds notice. FACT.


I never said this wasn't the case.  I just said he's ugly as sin.
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Post by: Bunnyman on 12 Mar 2006, 17:32
Quote from: ironoxide887
That being said, Cake is probably the least musically offensive stuff out there. Pretty much nobody minds them, most like them.


<- Exception to rule.

I generally live and let live, but play MY music whenever I have the opportunity.  Believe it or not, a lot of people really like Cannibal Ox.
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Post by: Storm Rider on 12 Mar 2006, 18:40
Cake is so ridiculously boring it's not even funny.
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Post by: citylights on 12 Mar 2006, 18:45
i went to the dc 101 chili cook-off and cake played a set...i was about to shoot myself in the face.
Title: Introducing the musically damned to good music (Help!)
Post by: Cerulaetas on 12 Mar 2006, 18:46
Quote from: KharBevNor
Isreal is metal as fuck.


This is not questioned.  I am just jealous because I have not as of yet had the opportunity to live in a locale that has any metal stores.

Quote from: KharBevNor
Lemmy? Foreplay? This is how it goes:

Lemmy: Oi!
Metal chick: Aye!
(unpleasant organic noises)


Ok, now I have to ask: who is Lemmy, and if he's so ugly, why is he so... coveted? by the ladies?

EDIT:
Quote from: Storm Rider
Cake is so ridiculously boring it's not even funny.


HE'S GOING THE DISTANCE, HE'S GOING FOR SPEEEED...
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Post by: citylights on 12 Mar 2006, 18:48
goddamn john mccrea and his monotonous drawl of a voice:/
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 12 Mar 2006, 19:00
Quote from: citylights
i went to the dc 101 chili cook-off and cake played a set...i was about to shoot myself in the face.


I remember some of my friends going up from Charleston to see them at that event.  I was rather surprised.  I've actually never been to one, but I did go to an HFStival in, I think, '00.

p.s.  Lemmy is the bassist/vocalist in Motorhead (with more umlauts than I can type using my US keyboard).  I have no idea why he is coveted by the ladies (well, the fact that he's awesomely badass may have something to do with it), but here's why he's ugly (note the warts):
(http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3339/180pxlemmykilmister1xg.jpg)
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Post by: ozphactor on 12 Mar 2006, 21:11
Quote from: ironoxide887
That being said, Cake is probably the least musically offensive stuff out there. Pretty much nobody minds them, most like them.

I don't know why, but this is entirely true. Some of their stuff I like, some of their stuff is "meh," but none of it is what I would consider awful. And on top of that, I can't think of another band remotely like them. It's weird.
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Post by: Nemba on 13 Mar 2006, 02:02
Quote from: jcknbl
Nemba: I'm never serious about fights over music taste. Also, not gonna lie, I really like that song from Say Anything .

IN YOU EYES! The light the heat! (YOUR EYES!) I am complete! (YOUR EYES!)



Oh wet John Cusack how you have changed our lives!



Also small text takes way too long to read and Deerhoof is still awesome. Am I the only one who really likes how this thread was hijacked by Skyclad???
Size zero text is even more annoying because it's hard to tell it's there without quoting the post to check.

*Hint hint*

Also, It's hard to be serious about musical taste when pretty much nobody has exactly the same taste as anyone else.
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Post by: lessthanfirst on 13 Mar 2006, 05:35
Quote from: Staralfur
How about letting the guy listen to music he likes? Sheesh.


Very well said. He sounds like he has the better taste anyway. (maybe, I need to read the list again)
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Post by: Misereatur on 13 Mar 2006, 06:23
Quote from: Bastardous Bassist
Pfff.  That's nothing special.  All girls want to hit that.  Misereatur, on the

other hand, is demonstrating how comfortable with his sexuality he is.  Either that or he actually is gay.  

I mean, uh, not that there's anything wrong with that, dude.  I'm just going to stand over here now, if that's

cool with you.

Please don't make me gay.


You know what they say about homophobes, right? ;)

Quote from: KharBevNor
Lemmy? Foreplay? This is how it goes:

Lemmy: Oi!
Metal chick: Aye!
(unpleasant organic noises)


That would explain that grin he has. I knew it was a "I had more sex then you had" grin.


Quote from: Cerulaetas
Quote from: KharBevNor
Isreal is metal as fuck.


This is not questioned. I am just jealous because I have not as of yet had the opportunity to live in a locale that has any metal stores.


Its not in my local. Its in Tel Aviv which is about 40 minutes to an hour by car from me.
And all the CD's there are terribly expensive.
But, whenever a metal band comes to israel The Metal Shop is their first stop. So you can just show up and get your albums and posters signed.
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Post by: Bastardous Bassist on 13 Mar 2006, 08:33
Yeah, they say we like dudes, right?  Cuz, dudes are hot.  Wait!  I mean, chicks are hot.  Chicks are totally hot.  Oh crap.  That wasn't a freudian slip, I swear!
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Post by: Misereatur on 13 Mar 2006, 10:01
there's nothing wrong with that, dude, nothing at all. I'm just going to stand over here now, if that's cool with you.




Ahm..

freudian slip jokes are funny.