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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: jeph on 17 Apr 2006, 10:11
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Oh man, I just discovered Arch Enemy, and "Wages of Sin" is blowing my mind.
The chick doing the vocals could kill me with her mind.
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I see...
Jeph did you mean to post this in the music forum?!?
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Durr. Yeah. I've been awake for about 20 hours.
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You should totally check out Dark Tranquillity. Their lead singer is'nt as hot as Arch Enemy's, But they sure do kick some ass.
And yes, whenever I show a friend of mine (metal fan or not) an Arch Enemy video they're all like "WOHA! Is that a girl?! HOLY SHIT! And she's fucking hot too!"
Kick ass Death Metal growls + Boobs is devinity
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I picked up Doomsday Machine last saturday and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Coming from someone who usually can't stomach death metal vocals, that's gotta mean something. Nemesis and Mechanic God Creation are sufficiently awesome for me to freak out over them.
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Arch Enemy is a band from whom I haven't heard much. Of course, after Otep, I'm always wary of growly vocals done by a chick.
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There was a period of about three months when I was 15 when Ravenous was my favourite song of ever. Nowadays I'd say that my favourite from the Angela Gossow period is Leader of the Rats, though overall I think Arch Enemies best tracj is Angelclaw, which was done with their old vocalist Johan.
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Arch Enemy is rather good! Growly vocals by girlz are always very fun if they are done well..but of course..they are fun when done by ANYBODY if done well,which is rare.
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get Burning Bridges, much better album, much better singer. Plus the old singer had a peener. Angela Gossow kind of made the band go to stink :(
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You talk like Gossow is the lead songwriter. If you dislike the direction Arch Enemy went after she joined, at least have the decency to blame Michael Amott.
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That's like blaming Ripper for what happened to Priest while Halford was gone.
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Or blaming Blaze Blayley for the Iron Maiden albums without Dickinson. I think Steve Harris just started running out of ideas.
Arch Enemy is pretty good, but I prefer their earlier albums (Wages of Sin, Burning Bridges) to their later stuff. Anthems of Rebellion was good, but not as resonant with me, and Doomsday Machine just seemed repetitive.
If we're talking melodeath, Carcass. Seriously, Heartwork is amazing. I agree with Miseratur on Dark Tranquility too. And obviously Possessed and Death, but those are more straight-up death than melodic death. Still, absolutely essential.
And Angela Gossow is pretty fucking intimidating, I must say.
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I think Steve Harris is still out of ideas.
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Eh, it doesn't matter (though Brave New World wasn't that bad, I haven't heard Dance of Death). Just listen to their old albums, because any new albums would sound pretty much the same. Not that I really have a problem with that.
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Tbh, the only thing I found seriously wrong with Dance of Death was the album cover.
You can blame Blaze a bit for not being a particularly amazing lyricist, but I don't think Angela can take much flak. She writes about half the lyrics on the latest album I think? Maybe less. The change is pretty much all Michael Amott taking a heavy front lead over Chris Amott and changing his writing style. But hey, Arch Enemy is still, technically, a Carcass side-project, so he can do what he wants with it.
And guys. Good melodeath?
EDGE OF FUCKING SANITY.
kthanxbai
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Imo, Dance of Death had some really good cuts (title track, Paschendale, Wildest Dreams), some good ones (Montsegur, Rainmaker, Journeyman), and a bunch of mediocre ones (everything else). A step back from Brave New World, but a slight one, and the two newer albums are still way, way better than anything Maiden did since Seventh Son.
I consider Paschendale to be one of Maiden's absolute best songs, not to mention one of the first where they used the triple guitar attack to its full potential.
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I didn't really like Journeyman. It kept making me feel like they were trying to make their own Nothing Else Matters/Unforgiven.
Paschendale is actually my favourite Iron Maiden track. I also quite enjoy Gates Of Tomorrow, for some reason.
Someone actually tried to convince me the Blaze era was actually better than the 'overrated classic maiden' because it had more solid songwriting. I wasn't buying it.
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Someone actually tried to convince me the Blaze era was actually better than the 'overrated classic maiden' because it had more solid songwriting. I wasn't buying it.
did you kill him and burn the evidence?
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So it's not a crime that I actually like Dance of Death?
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If we're talking melodeath, Carcass. Seriously, Heartwork is amazing. I agree with Miseratur on Dark Tranquility too. And obviously Possessed and Death, but those are more straight-up death than melodic death. Still, absolutely essential.
And Angela Gossow is pretty fucking intimidating, I must say.
QFT.
And I was going to add Edge Of Sanity, but Khar beat me to it.
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did you kill him and burn the evidence?
Well, I wanted to, but the guy was Jeph-sized, and I'm a midget.
So it's not a crime that I actually like Dance of Death?
Hell no. There's some great stuff on there.
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The Blaze Era certainly had its share of crap (Edge of Darkness, anyone?), but I genuinely consider it to be better than the last two albums before Bruce and Adrian left. Man on the Edge, kthanxbai.
And nothing's wrong with Dance of Death. Seriously, at least. Obviously it's not Piece of Mind, Number of the Beast or even Powerslave, but it's pretty solid.
But in terms of stuff for Jeph: What other bands should we recommend? I'm thinking maybe Atheist, especially since they might be recording new material. And Testament, but just because I <3 them like crazy.
Oh, and if you're looking for multilayered madness, Cynic's first and only album Focus is incredible.
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Spiritual Beggars, Amotts other band, is vastly superior and has no scary ladies.
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Arch Enemy fucking own. :D
I saw them live when they came out here last November... very fucking cool. The video clip for Nemesis is great, too. \m/
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Yeah, arch enemy's vocalist is pretty good...
Jeph, do yourself a favor and get anything by Astarte. That girl is a mediterranian demon with good looks and a hellish voice.
I'm in love, I tell you.
oh, and khar. if you have a chance, look up Vesperian Sorrow, I think you'd dig it.
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METAL QUESTION:
i am currently seeking
A. metal bands that sing songs about Vikings (bonus points if they dress up like Vikings, too).
B. metal bands that have guitar solos that sound like Castlevania.
C. metal bands that do BOTH.
a friend of mine recently introduced me to Ensiferum and they are fucking rad as shit.
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But in terms of stuff for Jeph: What other bands should we recommend? I'm thinking maybe Atheist
Atheist is kinda tough to listen to. Although, the first time I listened to Unquestionable Presence it blew me away. If youre into Technical Death Metal and Jazz, you'll love them.
Plus, the Relaps re-releses are awsome.
METAL QUESTION:
i am currently seeking
A. metal bands that sing songs about Vikings (bonus points if they dress up like Vikings, too).
B. metal bands that have guitar solos that sound like Castlevania.
C. metal bands that do BOTH.
a friend of mine recently introduced me to Ensiferum and they are fucking rad as shit.
Windir, Finntroll, Enslaved?
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METAL QUESTION:
i am currently seeking
A. metal bands that sing songs about Vikings (bonus points if they dress up like Vikings, too).
B. metal bands that have guitar solos that sound like Castlevania.
C. metal bands that do BOTH.
a friend of mine recently introduced me to Ensiferum and they are fucking rad as shit.
If you like Ensiferum you will probably like:
Turisas, Wuthering Heights, Moonsorrow, Turisas, Wintersun, Bal-Sagoth, Korpiklaani, Battlelore, Elvenking, Cruachan and the bands Misereatur mentioned.
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Only Enslaved's old stuff is really Viking.
Amon Armath is a good Viking band, although their musical style is straight up melodeath.
Also Wintersun is great, definitely fits the solo requirement. Their songwriter left Ensiferum to concentrate on them.
As far as other bands in the folksy vein of Ensiferum, check out Otyg, Korpiklaani, early Vintersorg, and Thyrfing.
Also, I don't have any of their music, but Moonsorrow dresses like Vikings.
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How could I forget Moonsorrow and Vintersorg? Great bands.
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Bathory.
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You just won this thread.
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I think Dance of Death and Brave New World are on par with their previous good albums (which doesn't include Virtual XI (although there was The Clansman)).
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Bathory fulfill only one of his criteria.
Not that he shouldn't listen to them.
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Odroerir is a fun band who sing about vikings and dress up as vikings as well. Falkenbach is good viking metal, too.
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(http://www.tartareandesire.com/bands/images/korpiklaani.jpg)
KORPIKLAANI
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Kamelot. Awesome power metal band.
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I just listened to a couple of Arch Enemy's songs and my first thought was "Wow. You Go Girl." I like, I like.
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Astarte! Astarte > Arch Enemy
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Kamelot. Awesome power metal band.
Seconded. I recently heard my first Kamelot song, and I was overwhelmed with the urge to slay dragons. Grandma will be buried next thursday.
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hey, if she didn't want to be slain, she shouldn't have tail-slapped us for three d10s and attempted to use her breathe weapon on us. (I saved for half damage.)
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Haha, Kamelot kicks your ass. Go get "Karma", tis the best album.
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So, we're just throwing metal band names at random now?
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So, we're just throwing metal band names at random now?
Yes.
Poison.
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Youre going to jail for bad musical reference. Do not pass start and do not collect 200.
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Youre going to jail for bad taste in music. Do not pass start and do not collect 200.
...because I know the name?
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THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED AGAINST YOU
I'm dead sick and I'm hella bored. I earned my right to have some inter-wubs fun.
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THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED AGAINST YOU
I'm dead sick and I'm hella bored. I earned my right to have some inter-wubs fun.
You're so China.
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Well, my eys are red, and not from pot.
Actually, some of my freinds call me "communist" because I argue with my history teacher about everything. Why communist? They're retarded, thats why.
I'll press send now because I'm getting dizzy and passing out is no fun.
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You can't argue that this album cover is fucking awesome.
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7360/11115ea.jpg
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Metal-archives.com does not own me. TAKE IT BACK!
...And that's how I start the page. I regret nothing.
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And you shouldn't regret anything...
That was a little strange, in one post we go from Viking recommendations to Kamelot????
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I have no idea, but Kamelot is still awesome.
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anyone have any african black metal? black black metal, I mean?
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Was talking about this:
(http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/7360/11115ea.jpg)
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Epica was a better album.
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Well, my eys are red, and not from pot.
Actually, some of my freinds call me "communist" because I argue with my history teacher about everything. Why communist? They're retarded, thats why.
I'll press send now because I'm getting dizzy and passing out is no fun.
Same here. I've taken to wearing a CCCP shirt just to spite them.
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anyone have any african black metal? black black metal, I mean?
Wait, does this really exist?
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anyone have any african black metal? black black metal, I mean?
I've got Susan Lawly's 'Extreme Music From Africa' compilation, but it's all noise.
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Same here. I've taken to wearing a CCCP shirt just to spite them.
Heh, I have one too. I went to school with it once and one of my friends jumped on me and started shouting "I KNEW IT!!! I KNEW IT!!".
And wait, Black Black Metal? Are'nt we asking too much?
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Epica was a better album.
Actually, the only Kamelot album I own is their latest, the Black Halo, but it's totally fucking great. Seriously, if all power metal was as tasteful, the genre wouldn't be such a massive joke.
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anyone have any african black metal? black black metal, I mean?
Wait, does this really exist?
there were WARS to stop that kind of shit from erupting into the world.
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I picked up Doomsday Machine last saturday and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Coming from someone who usually can't stomach death metal vocals, that's gotta mean something. Nemesis and Mechanic God Creation are sufficiently awesome for me to freak out over them.
That's only because her "death" vocals aren't good death vocals.
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Even I can't get into all death vocalists. Trying to imagine Spirit Crusher without Chuck's ridiculously over-the-top vocal delivery is difficult though. I don't think it'd be nearly as much fun.
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I have to say, though, listening to the extra material on Wages of Sin made me cringe.
No, I'm sorry, "Aces High" doesn't work with yells.
The thing I'm really enjoying about the album, though, is how much songs like "Burning Angel" and "Heart of Darkness" almost sound like pop songs, wiht strong, would-be-melodic-without-the-roar choruses and great harmonies. I would be really curious to hear the same band, except with an operatic vocalist instead, just to wonder at the magnificence that would ensue.
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I saw Arch Enemy at the Chicago house of blues yesterday and they were absolutely amazing. Amott is one hell of a guitarist and Gossow does a pretty good job on vocals, air-guitar and air-drums :) Their older songs (the ones that i havent herd before because i only have Doomsday Machine) sounded better live than the new ones, so i'll probably going to dig a little deeper and buy some of their earlier cds.
The opening bands were kind of meh, except, maybe Hate Eternal, but their songs were somewhat repetitive and that "taka taka taka" drum got really annoying after second or third song.
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You may not think that Disturbed is metal enough, but I think they fucking rule and it really doesn't matter what you think now does it?
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you're a grade A cunt then, aren't you?
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You may not think that Disturbed is metal enough, but I think they fucking rule and it really doesn't matter what you think now does it?
I think ABBA are the most metal band out there, and only Therion happen to agree with me, but liking Disturbed doesn't make them metal.
edit- or good.
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Wasn't meant to be mean. It just really doesn't matter to me whether you like them or not. And you just made yourself look like a tool. On another note: There's upwards of 15 different genres of metal, and unless you specify, black, death, viking, power, folk ect. You really can't nitpick.
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Tool identified.
Target lock in 5...4...
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I think ABBA are the most metal band out there, and only Therion happen to agree with me,
...and the other 13 bands on 'A Metal Tribute to ABBA'.
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I think there's more than one metal tributes to ABBA. At least there was one specifically for Scandinavia and it most definitely did not have anyone as big as Therion on it.
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You may not think that Disturbed is metal enough, but I think they fucking rule and it really doesn't matter what you think now does it?
I quite like Disturbed. They're probably the best thing that came out of nu-metal. That's not saying much to most people here, though.
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The one I have is
Spiral Tower - Chiquitita
Glow - Dancing Queen
Sargant Fury - Eagle
Sinergy - Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!
Tad Morse - Knowing Me, Knowing You
At Vance - Money, Money, Money
Flowing Tears - One Of Us
Paradox - S.O.S.
Therion - Summer Night CIty
Custard - Super Trouper
Rough Silk - Take A Chance On Me
Metalium - Thank You For The Music
Morgana Lefay - Voulez-Vouz
Nation - Waterloo
So yahr, if there's a just scandinavia one, there must be more than one, as it doesn't even stay scandinavian with track one.
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I quite like Disturbed. They're probably the best thing that came out of nu-metal. That's not saying much to most people here, though.
I completely disagree. I never liked Disturbed, even when I liked nu-metal.
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To each his own, I guess.
To be fair, Disturbed was only really nu-metal on The Sickness. On Believe and Ten Thousand Fists they play something more akin to traditional metal. Fewer electronics, no rapping (although really, the only thing close to rapping Disturbed ever did was Droppin' Plates), and eventually, guitar solos.
I think that outside of The Sickness, Disturbed is pretty much qualified to be a Pantera tribute band or something. I heard 'em play 'Walk' once, and it was pretty much spot on, and that's when I realized that they actually have a somewhat similar sound.
Why I like them is probably a sort of respect because they stopped playing nu-metal around the same time I got disillusioned with the genre and started looking for more music, reinforcing my belief that there's gotta be something more.
They are quite repetitive at times, though.
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Man, those guitar solos are pretty jaw dropping horrible. SCALES WOAHZ
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Yeah, Dan's a pretty terrible guitarist. I think he might have actually been playing guitar for a whole month before they started the band.
Hey, but at least they're trying. That meshes with me. Also, I think the drummer is pretty good, and Draiman is a hilarious vocalist, and fun to scream along with.
Can't judge their new bassist, but you couldn't judge their old one either. You can't hear them.
I guess I basically just like them out of nostalgia. Which is weird, because they're actually a fairly young band. Curse my late 80's birthdate!
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I think that outside of The Sickness, Disturbed is pretty much qualified to be a Pantera tribute band or something. I heard 'em play 'Walk' once, and it was pretty much spot on, and that's when I realized that they actually have a somewhat similar sound.
Ah, well I've never been able to stand Pantera either.
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Many people can't. I, however, find them to be hilariously over the top fun with sufficient headbangability. You know, kind of like Manowar, but with less body oil.
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And less gay orgies.
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But those are the two best parts!
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Fewer. Fewer gay orgies.
And, yes, that is the only thing wrong with that sentence.
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You know, Walk is pretty much the easiest Pantera (or maybe even the easiest metal) song ever. That's the reason why terrible bands (such as Disturbed and Trivium) always play it "in tribute."
As for Disturbed, they're just nu/alternative metal*, meaning they have few metal influences, but are mainly just a rock band. Guitar solos≠metal.
*neither nu- or alternative metal are real metal sub-genres, they're rather just light descriptions, as many nu- and/or alternative metal bands can sound very different from one another. There's always a main genre that the band falls under, which is usually rock.
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Trivium plays Master Of Puppets all the times.
Also, Mouth For War is easier than Walk.
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Trivium plays Master Of Puppets all the times.
Also, Mouth For War is easier than Walk.
I don't listen to much Metallica, therefore I haven't heard that song. I'll listen to it now, and since it's an 8 and a half minute song, if I can learn it all in less than 15 minutes(starting from when I first listen to the song), I will consider it not difficult at all.
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Hey, I'm not defending Trivium here, they write terrible music, but you gotta give 'em more credit than being able to just play Walk.
Also, when I heard Disturbed play it, it was before Dimebag was killed, so it's not really in 'tribute'. They just wanted to play Walk.
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Personally, I have a prejudice towards Trivium. I know they're competant players, but as you said they are not good song writers. I just really don't like them in any way.
Still listening to Master of Puppets. It's almost over.
Edit: ok, it's over.
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Trivium, much as I dislike them, has some talent.
Disturbed on the other hand...are basically what everyone has been calling, them, a poor hard rock band that got lumped in with all the nu-metal bands. Playing power chords and screaming sometimes does not a metal band make.
Also, while I respect them as musician's to an extent, Pantera is really rather boring. And I partially blame them for jumpstarting nu-metal, though they weren't really themselves.
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Well my time is up. And since Master of Puppets is such a repetetive song, I was able to learn it in less time than I thought I would.
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Trivium, as said before, is proof that technical facility does not a good band make. Their songwriting is so whiny and ridiculously repetitive that they are nothing but endless grating on my nerves.
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As far as Disturbed goes..David Draiman (the singer) can fucking sing. Otherwise..not that exceptional.
By the way..Theatre of Tragedy? Hm? Anyone?
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Old ToT is the business. Unfortunately, they caught they old 'late nineties goth metal disease'.
You know what I'm talking about.
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...they became the new Cat Rapes Dog?
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As far as Disturbed goes..David Draiman (the singer) can fucking sing. Otherwise..not that exceptional.
When I first heard The Sickness when I was an angsty teenager, I was convinced they had two singers.
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I thought Cradle of Filth had two male singers at first, as well. Or at least, one of the guitarists would do those semi-spoken bits. This was probably not helped by the fact they got that creepy guy with a beard looking as if he was singing in the Her Ghost in the Fog vid. I wised up relatively quickly though.
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ok where in hell did the term Melodeth come from?
ive like Carcass since 1991 and they were definately just deathmetal then.
For some real musicianship try either mercyful fate or king diamond, same singer, slightly different styles in playing.
i thought Arch Enemy was ok, just more like a death metal band who tried to copy maiden, early metallica, and manowar, and ended up bored with it after about the 3rd time i heard the album
also can anyone link me to the speed metal topic, i cant find the thing
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Another metal thread? Where am I, Blabbermouth.net or what?
Actually, I like it that a band like Arch Enemy can get the approval of non-metal-heads.
Melodeth is just a term that was invented by the press. Same with nu-metal; bands like Biohazard and Rage Against The Machine used to be called cross-over metal and Korn played something called spookycore (hate the term too).
Two words to add to the whole "Master Musician" discussion. Neil. Young.
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I have never, ever, ever heard the term spookycore. I can, however, on the first time hearing it, be pretty sure that it's fucking retarded.
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What the hell? What's that about Blabbermouth? We can talk about metal here too, thank you very much. And thankfully generally have more intelligent conversations about it.
I don't think Carcass were really ever melodeath until their last few experimental albums, and hardly even then. They were basically brutal death/grind up to about Heartwork.
But I don't think melodeath was just invented by the press, it means melodic death metal and was first applied to At the Gates, Dark Tranquillity, and In Flames during the mid 90s with their whole "Gothenburg" sound, blending melodic guitar harmonies a la Maiden with death metal.
And finally, while I agree that Neil Young is a master musician (he's way up on my Last.Fm profile), but I'm not sure what he has to do with a thread about metal...?
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Yeah, that was kinda puzzling me too.
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What the hell? What's that about Blabbermouth? We can talk about metal here too, thank you very much. And thankfully generally have more intelligent conversations about it.
What do you mean, generally? Every single discussion on blabbermouth is just the same:
SATANS_TROLL_666: OMFG This bnad are such fukin pozerz!
EvilSteven37: WOTEVA FAG U R JUST RETARDED I BET U LISTEN 2 BLACK METLA
InFlamezRulez: Fukin blak metal sukz its just noize and shit apart from Cradel of filth they r gud and also dimoo borgir
Nattefrost_69: ALL HAIL EVIL SATANIC EVIL BLACK METAL OF EVIL FROM HELL (666).
InFlamezRulez: OMG FAG
SATANS_TROLL_666: Dummy Burger suck cock!
Shagrath's_Minion: OMFG WOT U CALL DIMMU BORGIR?
Metald00d: Hey guys, can we please lets just chill out?
Nattefrost_69: CHILLING OUT IS FOR POSERS! ETERNAL WAR!
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(the soulseek black metal chat is like that, only with much more racism.)
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My favourite black metal conversations go like this:
Black metal freak: Hey, does anyone like Darkthrone?
Noise freak: Meh, they're overproduced pop.
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(the soulseek black metal chat is like that, only with much more racism.)
I'd have got to the racism, meta-elitism, nazism and calling all American metal mallcore, but I couldn't be arsed to think up anymore screen-names.
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Which is why its such a relief to find a board like this, where you can talk about any music, including metal, without people who can't use grammar and type in all caps.
Also, the generally was uncalled for, so sorry...;)
But Blabbermouth doesn't even have what one might call discussions or conversations...
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I'd have got to the racism, meta-elitism, nazism and calling all American metal mallcore, but I couldn't be arsed to think up anymore screen-names.
Racism: Arischeblut
Meta-Elitism: Mütiilator
Nazism: AlgizHH88
American metal etc: Snorre616
;)
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(the soulseek black metal chat is like that, only with much more racism.)
You should go into the Neo-Folk room. The only time I visited it, there were jews arguing with a Screwdriver fan. Then Dougls P. was called a fag.
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calling all American metal mallcore
calling absu mallcore? TROLL SMAAAAASH
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To be honest soulseek chat rooms are pretty much the armpit of the internet regardless of genre. It's all LOL RACISM AND BABY RAPE I'M SO EDGY.
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Yeah, but where else can you get Boris albums at 3 am?
Edit: Wait, if Soulseek is the armpit, then Blabbermouth is probably the rectum.
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And 4chan is the mouth, vomiting meme after foul-smelling meme down the toilet bowl of the internet.
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If we're still talking about metal, I can only say your life is not complete until you've seen Dragonforce's Herman Li do a solo. It's mind numbing.
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On a much more hilarious note, anyone here ever heard of Stalaggh?
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no. ever heard of Gefilte Fist?
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Nope.
Ok, Stalaggh: fucked up noise band who, for vocals, gets a bunch of mental patients together, locks them up in a recording booth, and records them screaming out whatever fucked up emotions they're feeling at the time. It's quite possibly the most disturbing thing I've ever heard.
Ok, your turn. What's "Gefilte Fist"?
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I have no idea what's going on so I'm just gonna name the best metal band ever (since I don't consider Rush metal): Dream Theater.
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Um, if you have no idea what's going on, why even bother to post?
And Dream Theater is only metal sometimes, and even then, certainly not the best.
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Dream Theater has one of the most skilled musicians i've ever heard.
If they went a little heavier, switched to a less whiny vocalist and got rid of the keyboards, i'd love them for the rest of my days.
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Dream Theater has one of the most skilled musicians i've ever heard.
If they went a little heavier, switched to a less whiny vocalist and got rid of the keyboards, i'd love them for the rest of my days.
Or you could just listen to any number of existing virtuoso technical metal bands. Some of which even have a decent notion of songwriting.
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Like Agalloch, who are so much cooler it fucking hurts me. In the spleen.
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Like Agalloch, who are so much cooler it fucking hurts me. In the spleen.
I dunno that they fall into the virtuoso/tech. metal category really, but I love The Mantle.
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I was more of categorizing Dream Theatre and Agalloch into prog metal (despite that Dream THeatre aren't very good at prog. Like, at all).
Virtuoso? My favorite is Buckethead, really. You get the avant with the metal (on most albums, some are more ambient n shiz) and it rocks the fuck out.
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Ok, your turn. What's "Gefilte Fist"?
"Gefilte Fist is a blackened deathcore band from Tampa, Florida that plays dramatic show tunes, soaring uplifting melodies, life-affirming smooth jazz and blasphemous elevator music if you are a fahg."
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LAY DOWN YOUR SOUL TO THE GODS ROCK AND ROCK
(venom-black metal)
also: Bloodline Calligraphy has a super gnarly chick singer
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I really wouldn't call Agalloch prog by any stretch of the imagination, they don't really have technical playing, strange chord progressions, and rhythmic complexity. What they do have is amazingly emotional, dark, and atmospheric blending of folk, neoclassical and metal.
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But they are progressive for metal, as in they do different things and they have odd influences.
Why should prog, meaning progression, all sound the same? Agalloch are definitely prog in my mind, in the same way Pink Floyd were never technically amazing, but they were bloody prog.
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Yeah, I'd be inclined to say that if a band fuses neoclassical, folk, and metal and does concept material with themes integrated across an album, "progressive" isn't totally off the mark.
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Argh, I'm surrendering to silly genre definitions. They are progressive in the sense that they are creating unique, new, and imaginative music. They are not "prog" in the sense that they do not fit a fairly established template by which some rock bands explore musical technicality.
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Dream Theater has one of the most skilled musicians i've ever heard.
If they went a little heavier, switched to a less whiny vocalist and got rid of the keyboards, i'd love them for the rest of my days.
Pfft...Jordan Rudess pwns all. Seriously. Get rid of him and Dream theater would be on crutches...Seriously.
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Um, if you have no idea what's going on, why even bother to post?
And Dream Theater is only metal sometimes, and even then, certainly not the best.
Ok lets go down the list:
John Petrucci: Best guitarist ever tied with Satriani and Vai.
Jordan Rudess: Unrivaled keyboardist. You can't mess with him.
Mike Portnoy: Too heavy on the double-bass pedals but DAMN if he isn't good. Seriously. Neil Peart, Steve Smith and a few others beat him but not many.
John Myung: A seriously cool bass player who is sort of in the same area as Mike is with drums: Not the best but definitely in the top ten.
James LaBrie: A voice that sort of has to grow on you but It's better than Axle Rose by a long shot. They could have picked worse. Basically you take him away and you get LTE so you sort of need him.
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Um, if you have no idea what's going on, why even bother to post?
And Dream Theater is only metal sometimes, and even then, certainly not the best.
Ok lets go down the list:
John Petrucci: Best guitarist ever tied with Satriani and Vai.
Jordan Rudess: Unrivaled keyboardist. You can't mess with him.
Mike Portnoy: Too heavy on the double-bass pedals but DAMN if he isn't good. Seriously. Neil Peart, Steve Smith and a few others beat him but not many.
John Myung: A seriously cool bass player who is sort of in the same area as Mike is with drums: Not the best but definitely in the top ten.
James LaBrie: A voice that sort of has to grow on you but It's better than Axle Rose by a long shot. They could have picked worse. Basically you take him away and you get LTE so you sort of need him.
You don't listen to a lot of virtuoso players, do you?
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Um, if you have no idea what's going on, why even bother to post?
And Dream Theater is only metal sometimes, and even then, certainly not the best.
Ok lets go down the list:
John Petrucci: Best guitarist ever tied with Satriani and Vai.
Jordan Rudess: Unrivaled keyboardist. You can't mess with him.
Mike Portnoy: Too heavy on the double-bass pedals but DAMN if he isn't good. Seriously. Neil Peart, Steve Smith and a few others beat him but not many.
John Myung: A seriously cool bass player who is sort of in the same area as Mike is with drums: Not the best but definitely in the top ten.
James LaBrie: A voice that sort of has to grow on you but It's better than Axle Rose by a long shot. They could have picked worse. Basically you take him away and you get LTE so you sort of need him.
You don't listen to a lot of virtuoso players, do you?
I listen to a lot. The only two up there that I consider true virtuosos are JR and JP. The others are just damn good.
Why who would you prefer?
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I dunno. I'd question either Petrucci or Satriani being in the top 10. Vai seems less limited than those two, but there are probably better anyway.
And there are probably thousands of jazz drummers that are better than Portnoy.
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I dunno. I'd question either Petrucci or Satriani being in the top 10. Vai seems less limited than those two, but there are probably better anyway.
And there are probably thousands of jazz drummers that are better than Portnoy.
Ever seen G3 in Tokyo? That was amazing. Vai, Petrucci, and Satriani all together. Amazing. I don't think I could pick which was better. A lot of people just don't like Petrucci because he doesn't showboat while he's onstage (like Vai does). But he doesn't need to because it sounds too good anyway.
As to Portnoy, I will readily admit there are ones better than him. I already named a few. Smith, and the true master Peart for instance. As far as I'm concerned, Peart is the best simply because whenever he hears a new style of drumming he incorporates it into his own. He's the most diverse drummer ever. And who could forget the legend, Buddy Rich? But even Peart beats him.
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I dunno. I'd question either Petrucci or Satriani being in the top 10. Vai seems less limited than those two, but there are probably better anyway.
And there are probably thousands of jazz drummers that are better than Portnoy.
Ever seen G3 in Tokyo? That was amazing. Vai, Petrucci, and Satriani all together. Amazing. I don't think I could pick which was better. A lot of people just don't like Petrucci because he doesn't showboat while he's onstage (like Vai does). But he doesn't need to because it sounds too good anyway.
As to Portnoy, I will readily admit there are ones better than him. I already named a few. Smith, and the true master Peart for instance. As far as I'm concerned, Peart is the best simply because whenever he hears a new style of drumming he incorporates it into his own. He's the most diverse drummer ever. And who could forget the legend, Buddy Rich? But even Peart beats him.
That's a pretty lofty claim. And an interesting definition of best.
And I tend to prefer Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, and Paco DeLucia's proto-G3.
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Excuse my ignorance, but did DiMiola do anything electric? Because he is without a doubt an unrivaled classical guitarist. But I've never heard anything by him electric. Perhaps I should specify. We were talking metal and I naturally assumed we were talking electric guitarists.
But what about JR and NP? Can your really find anyone better? ( I swear if you say Chic Corea...)
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Dream Theater has one of the most skilled musicians i've ever heard.
If they went a little heavier, switched to a less whiny vocalist and got rid of the keyboards, i'd love them for the rest of my days.
Or you could just listen to any number of existing virtuoso technical metal bands. Some of which even have a decent notion of songwriting.
The thing with metal bands is that they generally have one good player and the rest are just slightly above average. In DT every single one of them is pretty damn good. (I said generally, I know there are exceptions)
Pfft...Jordan Rudess pwns all. Seriously. Get rid of him and Dream theater would be on crutches...Seriously.
I have nothing against Rudess or his musical abilities, I just think keyboards don't really belong there. Or maybe i just don't like prog metal generally, it just sounds stange to me. Now i have an instrumental CD with just Rudess and Petrucci and it's really good.
Virtuoso? My favorite is Buckethead, really. You get the avant with the metal (on most albums, some are more ambient n shiz) and it rocks the fuck out.
He's amazing. The first album of his i got was Enter the Chicken and it really surprised me how he can make excellent songs in so many different genres.
Oh and i keep hearing about Agalloch, but none of the stores in my area have any of their CDs. Bastards :(
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Oh and i keep hearing about Agalloch, but none of the stores in my area have any of their CDs. Bastards :(
Welcome to the world of underground metal.
I really don't listen to much prog, or virtuoso players, so I'll have to trust people who know better than me on Dream Theater, sure they are excellent musicians, but not a single one of them is the best at what they do...I mean come on. Like someone said, there are hundreds if not thousands of jazz drummers better than Portnoy. Myung is an amazing player, but doesn't end up doing very creative stuff. Petrucci, also very good, but there a many far more creative guitarists out there.
Just because, overall, Dream Theater are better musicians than your average metal band, doesn't mean they are the best.
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I don't really consider Dream Theater metal, but I still love them. Petrucci is one of my favorite guitarists ever and I don't really care what anyone says.
Sure, there are other technical metal bands, but that shouldn't reflect badly on Dream Theater, considering that they're usually completely different. For example, I don't compare Atheist or Necrophagist to them, because it's pointless.
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Excuse my ignorance, but did DiMiola do anything electric? Because he is without a doubt an unrivaled classical guitarist. But I've never heard anything by him electric. Perhaps I should specify. We were talking metal and I naturally assumed we were talking electric guitarists.
But what about JR and NP? Can your really find anyone better? ( I swear if you say Chic Corea...)
Speaking of Chick Corea, Al DiMeola played in his fusion band Return to Forever. FUSION. ELECTRIC GUITAR.
Dream Theater sucks my balls, by the way.
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You're such a belligerent drunk.
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I'm totally gay for Dream Theater, even though they don't really belong in here :D Petrucci rocks my socks. It's not just about technique, his solos are technically brilliant and awesome. As opposed to that Yngwie wanker who can play several billion notes a second but couldn't write a song to save his life. I prefer Petrucci's slower but melodic solos to mindless twiddling.
Back to metal, I've been appreciating My Dying Bride a lot recently, it's been awhile. Any other fans kickin' about?
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Early My Dying Bride is one of my favourite things ever. The new stuff is okay (though I feel they've lost a lot of their atmospheric gloom and exchanged consistently brilliant albums for more patchy affairs that can offer up very nice stuff (ie Catherine Blake) among more average stuff, as well as simplifying the dynamics far too much). I also kinda like 34.788%...Complete, even though most people seem to hate it. I respect My Dying Bride for not actually turning into a bad goth rock band in the late 90's like most of their genre contemporaries.
And Turn Loose the Swans must be one of the most brilliant albums ever.
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My Dying Bride win.
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My Dying Bride are one of my favorite bands ever, not just metal.
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"MDB have been locked up in the studio since the beginning of April and are busy recording their new album. According to the band, at least 5 songs have already been recorded with more in the pipeline. No details on song or album titles are available, yet. John, the drummer from The Prophecy, with whom the band have played live in the past year, is also behind the kit in the studio, filling in for regular MDB drummer Shaun Taylor-Steels (who is still having problems with his ankle after injuring it badly last year)."
Somthing tells me it's going to be an awsome album.
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I hope. the thought of a new MDB album makes my pants tingle.
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Excuse my ignorance, but did DiMiola do anything electric? Because he is without a doubt an unrivaled classical guitarist. But I've never heard anything by him electric. Perhaps I should specify. We were talking metal and I naturally assumed we were talking electric guitarists.
But what about JR and NP? Can your really find anyone better? ( I swear if you say Chic Corea...)
Speaking of Chick Corea, Al DiMeola played in his fusion band Return to Forever. FUSION. ELECTRIC GUITAR.
Dream Theater sucks my balls, by the way.
You don't have to be an ass about it. Was I being an ass about it? I asked a legitimate question and you jumped down my goddamned throat.
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Don't worry Khar, you're not alone, 34.788% ranks in my top 3 MDB albums - right behind Turn Loose The Swans at #2 and Like Gods Of The Sun.
Can't wait for the new CD, although I wasn't overly taken by their latest effort; Dreadful Hours was far better.
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34...% is an underrated album. It kinda grows on you, I never expected MDB to go in that direction before I heard that album. But MDB went back to their Doom Metal roots pretty quickly, while other Doom acts wondered the ralms of Goth Rock and Electronica [ahm]Paradise Lost[/ahm].
My two favorite MDB albums are The Angel And The Dark River and Turn Loose The Swans. There's somthing about The Crown Of Sympathy that makes me want to listen to it on infinite repeat.
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Aw shit, I totally forgot The Angel... when I was thinkin' up my top 3. I guses 34.788 does get edged out after all then. The Cry Of Mankind and Black Voyage are fuckin' epic.
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while other Doom acts wondered the ralms of Goth Rock and Electronica [ahm]Paradise Lost[/ahm].
Paradise Lost was sheer brilliance on their One Second and Lost albums compared to the piss-poor Cat Rapes Dog rip-off that is Theatre Of Tragedy.
I do hate everything they've done since Lost, though. Out of the whole affair of doom(-ish) metal bands turning into something else, I personally enjoy The Gathering's hippie stuff quite much.
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I intend to get some My Dying Bride if I find any of their albums nearby. If I have to order it, there are some things I'm more interested in looking for now, though (I don't order music often, either).
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I love The Gathering. Theatre of Tragedy have their moments too IMO, although a lot of their stuff is mediocre. The A Rose For The Dead MCD is quite brilliant.
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I've been listening to a lot of Boris lately. Japanese drone FTW!
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I second that. Boris are amazing.