Post by: JodyAnthony on 27 Apr 2006, 09:32
Discuss.
Post by: Alegis on 27 Apr 2006, 10:06
Ha ha !
Post by: JodyAnthony on 27 Apr 2006, 10:09
Quote from: Alegis
We have a Wiinner
But by their pronunciation, that is "we have a weiner"
Post by: Alegis on 27 Apr 2006, 10:20
The lame Wii puns? They Wiill never stop.
Post by: jhocking on 27 Apr 2006, 11:49
Post by: Ozymandias on 27 Apr 2006, 12:05
I can't wait to go up to some poor retail clerk and say "Give me a WIIIIIIIIIIIII!"
God, I've been laughing all day over this. It's the best thing to happen so far this week.
Post by: JodyAnthony on 27 Apr 2006, 12:08
I'm gonna get me a wii on day one.
at least when people refer to the controller, "Wiimote" sounds much better than "revmote"
YES I AM A NINTENDO NERD HOW DID YOU KNOW
Post by: Trollstormur on 27 Apr 2006, 12:12
Post by: JJMitchell on 27 Apr 2006, 14:46
I won't be buying on anyway.
Post by: Storm Rider on 27 Apr 2006, 15:04
But somebody chosing one system over another based on the name is retarded. And people just love to give Nintendo shit about whatever decision they make anymore. Shut the hell up already.
Post by: est on 27 Apr 2006, 20:08
If they go forward with this name the Revolution will tank in the english-speaking world. I don't see any other outcome. A complete and utter flop. This is like releasing a car with a name like "Toyota Craap" and trying to justify it by saying that you've made the a's look like happy faces.
You can say "oh I don't see what the fuss is, I like it", but the majority of opinions I'm seeing are negative. I was definitely going to buy the Revolution, but now I'm reconsidering. It's not just that the name reminds me of "wee", but also kind of symbolic. I want them to know that they made a bad choice.
Post by: Hustler on 27 Apr 2006, 20:25
Quote from: Storm Rider
Why don't they just keep it the Revolution? I don't see anything wrong with that name.
But somebody chosing one system over another based on the name is retarded. And people just love to give Nintendo shit about whatever decision they make anymore. Shut the hell up already.
Serious gamers will get the system anyhow, it's true. But Nintendo's been going on and on about bringing new people into the fold, those who were either very casual gamers previously, or didn't play them at all. And those are exactly the kind of uninformed people who would pass over this system because of the stupid name. I'm not saying it'll have a major impact, but I am certain it'll cost them a few sales.
Post by: will: wanton sex god on 27 Apr 2006, 21:35
why dont you get a playstation 3.
Post by: Gryff on 27 Apr 2006, 21:47
If you knew nothing about games but just wanted a new console would you buy an Xbox 360, a Playstation 3 or a console named after urine?
Post by: Alegis on 27 Apr 2006, 22:54
http://blog.wired.com/games/index.blog?entry_id=1467976
"In defense of Wii"
"I'm not in love with Wii -- but Wii works."
Post by: Ozymandias on 27 Apr 2006, 23:19
Over all the furor about the name, I never even considered the most striking part:
It's not called the Nintendo Wii.
Every other Nintendo produce ever made has been the "Nintendo Entertainment System," the "Nintendo 64," the "Nintendo GameCube"...
This is just...Wii.
That just blew my freaking mind.
Post by: est on 28 Apr 2006, 02:40
Quote from: will: wanton sex god
why dont you get a playstation 3.
Because the ps3 looks to be utter shit.
I was going to wait until the prices came down & get a 360, and depending on the price of the Revolution get one either before or after the 360. The controller didn't catch me at first, but then I started to think about how it could be used & I warmed to it.
I could take a really shithouse name if it wasn't so obviously a bad choice. Like, if they have come up with some kind of weird-ass name. People are throwing out "Dreamcast" and "Playstation" and "XBox" as "bad names" also. It's not that it's a "bad name". The issue is that it is obvious to pretty much everyone who speaks english that calling your system after a slang term for urine is a really stupid idea.
I will not warm to "Wii". It will be something that I'll have to endure if I buy the system. Every time I look at the system I'll be reminded that it was named by a bunch of dudes who either didn't speak english & didn't care about what the name meant in my section of the market's language, or that they were fucking idiots.
I'm pretty sure I don't want to buy something from someone either that arrogant or that stupid.
Post by: Trollstormur on 28 Apr 2006, 03:18
Quote from: Storm Rider
Why don't they just keep it the Revolution?
1. because they're competing against a world of sexy named electronic gaming. PCs, MACs, Xbox360s, PS3s, they had to some up with something they thought was sexual which brings me to
2. they're japanese, and they thought Wii would be a good name for a many-penis'd tentacle beast that will dump load after load of pixely semen into their gaping eyesockets. the japs are into that kinda shit, I dunno, I kinda blame the post WWII US occupation.
Post by: Switchblade on 28 Apr 2006, 05:29
Quote from: est
Quote from: will: wanton sex godwhy dont you get a playstation 3.
Because the ps3 looks to be utter shit.
Speaking as a student of games development, that's horseshit right there. Of the three "next-gen" consoles, the PS3, to me, is by far and away the most impressive, and likely to be the biggest success and the most entertaining of the three. It's also the only one I'm seriously considering buying. I won't go into the details of that argument, though, as this is not the time or place.
Anyway, the Wii (as we are apparently calling it nowadays) - I don't much mind the name change. It hasn't affected the odds of my buying the console (tiny, as I can't afford it, prefer PC gaming, and am not a huge fan of nintendo games anyway). Sure, I can think of dozens of potential other names that I Would have gone with, but I'm not a Japanese marketing director, building a console for a market where the majority of players are still Japanese.
The name's a little cute for my tastes, and maybe a little gimmicky, but I wouldn't say it ruins the console - it's still the same system under the hood. If you don't like the name, print out a sticker that says "Revolution" and attach it over the word "Wii", problem solved.
In other words: don't judge a book by its cover. The Wii remains the second most impressive console on the upcoming market (in my opinion) and simply having a daft name isn't a good reason for not buying it.
Post by: est on 28 Apr 2006, 07:18
Meanwhile Nihilist has been telling me that Sony are already in pretty dire straits at the moment financially, and what with recent reports stating that Sony will be taking a bath to the tune of $USD 900 million on the PS3 launch I really wouldn't want to be a Sony shareholder at the moment.
Also, Sony are fucking cunts and I won't be giving them my money.
Better? :)
I'm not even saying I'm definitely going to be getting a 360. I'm just saying that at the moment the PS3 seems very unappealling to me.
All that said, I would love for Sony to prove me wrong (well, and stop being cunts, I guess). I'd love for the PS3 to be very very good, because see, I have a large catalogue of PS2 games just ready and waiting for a sexy system to run them on in order to see if the graphics look better :)
Post by: will: wanton sex god on 28 Apr 2006, 10:21
tim buckley wrote a pretty decent newspost that summarizes my opinion on the name.
Post by: Ozymandias on 28 Apr 2006, 10:27
I want to Wii. I don't give a shit about the name. At all.
I want to feel like I'm not playing the same old piece of crap reguritation that this last generation of games has been. All innovation and creativity came from a handful of obscure developers and it's depressing. Nintendo's trying to force all developers to do something new.
About time.
Post by: JodyAnthony on 28 Apr 2006, 11:09
Post by: Alegis on 28 Apr 2006, 11:25
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www.jodylovesnintendo.com
Fanboy :p
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They have had more advertising for free in the past 24 hours than Microsoft paid for with the XBox 360 in weeks. The old adage of “There is no such thing as bad publicity” really is true.
Agree there. In the end I like the name, and they had A LOT of advertising even before E3. Everyone knows about it know, and you're totally right there.
Post by: Storm Rider on 28 Apr 2006, 23:09
Quote from: will: wanton sex god
http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/#1093
tim buckley wrote a pretty decent newspost that summarizes my opinion on the name.
I was just going to quote that myself. I really think Tim hit the nail on the head there. Stupid, maybe, but those kinds names of exist all over the place and they shouldn't reflect on the product itself. Not to mention it was a very shrewd way of getting a lot of hype out.
Post by: Ozymandias on 28 Apr 2006, 23:51
Or were you still thinking about Wii?
Nintendo: Thinking ahead. With their Wii.
Post by: Trollstormur on 29 Apr 2006, 01:08
Post by: est on 29 Apr 2006, 06:21
Quote from: will: wanton sex god
tim buckley...
I went and read the article, and I disagree. Everyone who uses the "what about Google? what about Virgin?" shit is just parroting back what Nintendo themselves are saying about the name.
A "Google" isn't a disgusting bodily excretion. Neither is a "Virgin". I'm standing by my decision that this is a shithouse name, and no amount of bullshit spin is going to sway me.
Thing is though, there's still some time until the thing actually launches, so let's see what happens between now & then. For all I know they could pop up at E3 and tell everyone it was a big joke or something. (crosses fingers)
Quote from: Ozymandias
... $400 price tag on the PS3 with standard 60 GB HD and that the backwards compatibility will up the resolution of PS1 & PS2 games to 1080i
To be honest with you this & a new God of War are about the only things making me think about the PS3 at the moment.
Fucking hell, who am I kidding. I bet I'll end up buying all three of these fucking machines anyway (whether the name stays as "Wii" or not), because I am a gaming whore.
Post by: will: wanton sex god on 29 Apr 2006, 08:13
when i quoted the article (though i didnt mention it, all i did was basically post the link) i was agreeing most with the fact that the name shouldn't matter as much as people are making it. I mean when you type in yahoo or google are youy really thinking about their name?
frankly i think there a re a lot of things that don't matter about consoles.
while i'd PREFER a cool name, or an asthetically pleasing console, what it boils down to is if i'm having fun. I didn't NOT buy an xbox because it was generation XXX whoring, or big as fuck, but because the games didnt appeal to me. I mean i dont ever even look at my console or consider it's name unless i look right at the name printed on the console itself as im sticking a game in.
i mean if the name thing really matters that much to you then alright, i guess, i'm just not seein eye to eye i guess.
i guess i should also point out that one raeson the way a console looks to me is that i don't have a super cool nice looking entertainment console...not to accuse any of you (would that even be a bad thing) but the way it looks just doesnt matter.
i played nintendo freaking 64.
and i guess this post wasnt really directed to you personally
ive typed way too fucking much.
Post by: Ozymandias on 29 Apr 2006, 11:52
Quote from: est
To be honest with you this & a new God of War are about the only things making me think about the PS3 at the moment.
In a wonderfully stupid move that makes me happy: God of War 2 is on the PS2, not the PS3. I don't have to buy a PS3! Yay me!
Post by: IronOxide on 29 Apr 2006, 16:41
Post by: Switchblade on 29 Apr 2006, 17:29
Quote from: est
Ok sorry, allow me to elaborate quickly on my PS3 stance: the processor(s) is/are "technically superior" (though debated), but the graphics unit is not. Devs are already complaining about the relative difficulty developing games on it, and I've seen some specs recently saying that the 360 uses less system resources to run its OS than the PS3 does. I've also seen a couple of quotes from industry sources saying that Blu-Ray is probably gonna tank just like basically every other Sony proprietary format, so they are delaying for no reason.
The approach they're taking, as I understand it, is that they're doing away with dedicated subsystems (such as actual graphics cards) and doing the whole thing, top to bottom, with pure number crunching. Which is actually a very old skool way of running your games. The difference is, the theoretical processing power of these things is on a par with a Kray supercomputer (albeit, a crappy low-end 1980s one).
Wether or not it works properly remains to be seen, but given how apparently sexy UT2007 is going to look on it, I'm confident it should provide results.
The advantage to that system - well, the BIG advantage - is future compatability. As any PC gamer will tell you, the hard part is keeping up with the march of graphics technology. Every few months, somebody begins production on a game that makes use of some new gizmo that was previously impossible or unthought-of, and the hardware companies are constantly producing new graphics cards capable of handling those gizmos. Over time, you need to replace the graphics card, or, with consoles, the entire system. If the PS3 pans out as I'm hoping it will, it'll effectively eliminate the need for games developers to hold back on making use of the latest technology and suchlike by doing away with the need for sub-system support, and instead processing all the data involved the old-fashioned way. It's harder work, but the end result is that you (theoretically) wind up with a console capable of doing anything and everything that the developers care to throw at it, for quite a long time.
In theory, at least. I have to agree with you that in terms of their hardware at least, Sony have a history of failing to live up to expectations. Of the "next-gen" consoles, the PS3 is the one I'll be getting, but that's mostly because I own a load of PS2 games already, and find that the games released for the Playstation are the ones that appeal most to me. Wether or not the console is any good, Sony has a history of scoring all the good titles for their machines.
I guess we'll just wait and see.
Post by: Ghostwriter on 29 Apr 2006, 19:20
Or, as Penny Arcade so eloquently mocked it, why not call it the Nintendo Vagina? I'd totally go for it. "Guys, I bought a Vagina! It's up in my room right now! Let's go play some Super Bang Brothers."
[/possibly somewhat juvenile]
Post by: est on 29 Apr 2006, 20:06
Quote from: Switchblade
... processing all the data involved the old-fashioned way. It's harder work ...
I do take your point and I hope that it does work for them, but from the dev reports I've been seeing developers don't like it. If you were the head of a dev team/company which would you prefer to develop on, a system that is easy to make a game for quickly & looks good, or a machine that needs to be done "the old fashioned way" and is therefore more expensive in man-hours and cash to complete? If you look at it that way they are behind the ball before you even start comparing the system specs/units shipped, etc :(
Post by: Catfish_Man on 29 Apr 2006, 23:04
Quote from: Switchblade
The approach they're taking, as I understand it, is that they're doing away with dedicated subsystems (such as actual graphics cards) and doing the whole thing, top to bottom, with pure number crunching. Which is actually a very old skool way of running your games. The difference is, the theoretical processing power of these things is on a par with a Kray supercomputer (albeit, a crappy low-end 1980s one).
You're incorrect. If you really want an explanation, I cooked up some diagrams and such a while back when I was researching it, and have some great links, but it gets pretty hairy.
Quick summary: The PS3 still has a graphics card, and it's still a fairly traditional one, but the processor takes the basic approach of taking off the last 10 years of design to make it smaller, and then hitting copy-paste 7 times. If your code vectorizes *and* multithreads well, it'll fly. If it doesn't... figure on getting something like what my laptop can do (1GHz G4). The launch titles are always somewhat rushed, so they'll likely be doing something like: PPE (the non-wacky core, 98% identical to an Xbox360 core) runs the game, SPE 1 (wacky vector core 1) decodes video, SPE 2 decodes audio, SPEs 3-7 sit idle most of the time. The real question of the PS3's power is whether game developers will be able to take anywhere close to full advantage of the SPEs before the PS3 is totally obsolete.
<pedant>Also it's Cray not Kray </pedant>
Post by: Switch on 30 Apr 2006, 00:44
We literally went, "Wii, Wii, Wii all the way home."
I liked the name Revolution, it made sense. The new controller forces game developers to tackle new problems and experiment. To start a gaming revolution. The old name was powerful and symbolic. Even with the chintzy poem Wii is still a made up word that makes me have to tinkle. It has no power.
Post by: patch on 30 Apr 2006, 06:42
more irritating because i like nintendo.
Post by: Switchblade on 30 Apr 2006, 07:53
Quote from: est
I do take your point and I hope that it does work for them, but from the dev reports I've been seeing developers don't like it. If you were the head of a dev team/company which would you prefer to develop on, a system that is easy to make a game for quickly & looks good, or a machine that needs to be done "the old fashioned way" and is therefore more expensive in man-hours and cash to complete? If you look at it that way they are behind the ball before you even start comparing the system specs/units shipped, etc :(
Just so you're aware, I am actually on a games development and design course at uni, so I think my whole perspective on the PS3 is coloured by the possibility of my ending up making games for it some day.
The thing you have to understand is that when I say it's "harder work", I mean the machine itself has to work harder. The games developers, according to my logic, will either not notice a change, or else will actually have LESS work and difficulty to contend with.
Developers fall into two categories: programmers, and designers
programmers are the hard code guys. They're the ones who wind up writing all the C++ code on which a game engine runs. Not just that, they're responsible for creating the tools that the designers (mappers, skinners, animators, modellers, etc) use to turn all that code into a game.
For the designers, there is no visible change. You're still using an SDK provided by the programmers. You move objects and entities around, put them together, and come out with your finished product. It's not your job to understand how the machine code works, it's your job to use the tools you're given to produce a finished, artistic product.
Now, I'm no programmer, but I rather imagine that from a coding perspective, it's easier to tell the system to run everything off the CPU, rather than having to program in the subroutines that tell the machine where to send each individual process. Let's say you have a game that uses bump mapping, HDR lighting, a Havok-based physics system and 64-bit vertex shaders (alongside the hundreds of other processes). As things stand, a fair old chunk of the processing done by the CPU is actually responding to the code that tells it where to send each of those processes. the HDR is sent off to one section of the graphics card, the vertex shading to another, the bump mapping to a third, and the physics goes off to physics processing. usually, that's handled by the CPU, but nVidia are releasing joing phyics/graphics cards now.
I'm no expert, but to me it sounds easier to run everything on central processing power, rather than having the CPU shuffle and sort each of those processes off to its designated subsection of the system first, THEN process it, then send it back to final processing to be displayed. The system has to do far more, in terms of calculations per second, but from a coding perspective, I don't think it would be more difficult to do things that way - precisely the opposite. It'd be simpler, faster, easier and cheaper, because you drastically cut down the number of code lines the programmers have to write - which leaves them with more time to include the SDK features that the designers are asking for.
As far as I can see, it's a win-win situation.
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You're incorrect. If you really want an explanation, I cooked up some diagrams and such a while back when I was researching it, and have some great links, but it gets pretty hairy.
Quick summary: The PS3 still has a graphics card, and it's still a fairly traditional one, but the processor takes the basic approach of taking off the last 10 years of design to make it smaller, and then hitting copy-paste 7 times. If your code vectorizes *and* multithreads well, it'll fly. If it doesn't... figure on getting something like what my laptop can do (1GHz G4). The launch titles are always somewhat rushed, so they'll likely be doing something like: PPE (the non-wacky core, 98% identical to an Xbox360 core) runs the game, SPE 1 (wacky vector core 1) decodes video, SPE 2 decodes audio, SPEs 3-7 sit idle most of the time. The real question of the PS3's power is whether game developers will be able to take anywhere close to full advantage of the SPEs before the PS3 is totally obsolete.
To me, this still implies less work spent shuffling processes about and more time spent on the core, which to me sounds like easier programming.
Feel free to correct me if I'm very very wrong, however.
Post by: Ozymandias on 30 Apr 2006, 12:22
According to many devs(Square was among the most vocal), the PS2 was enough of a hassle that they would've preferred to develop for someone else if it weren't for the PS2's sales numbers.
I see Sony making the same mistake twice here and losing a lot of third party support. Most American companies have already jumped ship to MS. If it weren't for the fact that Japan abhors the XBox, I imagine most Japanese ones would have to.
Post by: Catfish_Man on 30 Apr 2006, 13:36
Quote from: Switchblade
Now, I'm no programmer, but I rather imagine that from a coding perspective, it's easier to tell the system to run everything off the CPU, rather than having to program in the subroutines that tell the machine where to send each individual process.
You'd be right. This is exactly why the PS3 is hard, though. Unlike most CPUs, the 8 elements of the CELL require explicit management by the programmer*. Kinda like having 7 mini-GPUs** in addition to the main GPU and the CPU. Personally I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of autoparallelizing compiler advances come out of research done for the PS3. :)
*or the author of the tools you're using. I expect licensing game engines/libraries will be very common on the PS3. The Havoc folks, or whoever do the heavy lifting to move library functions onto the SPEs, and everyone who uses their system gets the benefit "for free".
**the SPEs are more flexible than a GPU, but similar in principle in many ways.
Post by: Ozymandias on 30 Apr 2006, 20:07
I had this thought the day it came out:
Take Wii.
Turn it upside down: M!!
You have the next Mario game.
Post by: Chesire Cat on 30 Apr 2006, 21:03
Quote from: JodyAnthony
i love the name, personally
I'm gonna get me a wii on day one.
at least when people refer to the controller, "Wiimote" sounds much better than "revmote"
YES I AM A NINTENDO NERD HOW DID YOU KNOW
Ok I didnt get past this post, so I dont really care if this topic has derailed into whiney little camps. But meh wii is a dumb name, but I can live with it.
But when I get a wii, the first thing I am going to do is set the controller down on one side of the room, walk to the other, sit down, and ask whoever is sitting between me and the controller to pass the wiimote. I will be stuttering my steps and biting back the giggles while I am walking across the room, and be downright cackling when I get to say wiimote.
I just cant wait.
Post by: Switchblade on 01 May 2006, 14:16
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Developers were pretty disappointed with the PS2's weird architecture. I terms of what you can do with the PS2, the graphics SHOULD out class the XBox and Gamecube. In terms of what developers were actually willing to do with it, they clearly don't. The only games that reach that kind of quality are SCEA games (God of War, Shadow of the Colossus). No one else wanted to put the time and effort into even trying.
Have you seen the screenshots for "Black" at all?
http://uk.media.ps2.ign.com/media/668/668817/img_3381044.html
http://uk.media.ps2.ign.com/media/668/668817/img_3356546.html
http://uk.media.ps2.ign.com/media/668/668817/img_3381048.html
http://uk.media.ps2.ign.com/media/668/668817/img_3356542.html
http://uk.media.ps2.ign.com/media/668/668817/img_3356534.html
As you say, The PS2 is a tecnically fantastic system. Sony does have a history of creating awkward architecture that takes a lot of getting used to. The results, however, when the system is used properly, are nothing short of VERY impressive.
It strikes me as being a shame that the PS2 is really only starting to see optimal use in the last few months before its successor comes out.
This is why I have great hopes for the PS3. Awkward though it may prove to be to develop for, I'm 90% certain that on the day that somebody does create a game that makes use of its abilities, it will be mind-blowing.
All of this really goes to show that games developers are lasy office slaves like anybody else. The reason these systems attract criticism is that they're difficult to create games for, not because they're bad. in fact, the PS2 was far and away the best of the systems on the market, in my opinion, and it was only the unwillingness of developers to properly tackle it that kept it locked in the mob. It's probably a sad fact that the PS3 is going to be similar - technically superior, but dragged down by being intractible for the developers to work with.
Sony's big mistake, then, is that they're far too focused on producing a mechanical beast without making it easy for the people who have to actually work with it to use.
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You'd be right. This is exactly why the PS3 is hard, though. Unlike most CPUs, the 8 elements of the CELL require explicit management by the programmer*. Kinda like having 7 mini-GPUs** in addition to the main GPU and the CPU. Personally I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of autoparallelizing compiler advances come out of research done for the PS3.
I see your point. They're replacing shuffling to subsystems with shuffling to multiple processors. Like you say, hopefully time and research will turn up ways to streamline the process.
Post by: Ozymandias on 01 May 2006, 14:29
Quote from: Switchblade
This is why I have great hopes for the PS3. Awkward though it may prove to be to develop for, I'm 90% certain that on the day that somebody does create a game that makes use of its abilities, it will be mind-blowing.
All of this really goes to show that games developers are lasy office slaves like anybody else. The reason these systems attract criticism is that they're difficult to create games for, not because they're bad. in fact, the PS2 was far and away the best of the systems on the market, in my opinion, and it was only the unwillingness of developers to properly tackle it that kept it locked in the mob. It's probably a sad fact that the PS3 is going to be similar - technically superior, but dragged down by being intractible for the developers to work with.
Sony's big mistake, then, is that they're far too focused on producing a mechanical beast without making it easy for the people who have to actually work with it to use.
My point exactly. Yes, it can produce some very impressive visuals. Unfortunately, it produced them 3 years behind the XBox (Splinter Cell) and a year behind the GameCube (RE4), the most technically inferior machine of the bunch. Whoopdy-doo.
You can blame the developers all you want for being lazy, but they're doing the same thing anyone else would've done. If the PS3's sales numbers don't match and exceed the 360 and Rev's very quickly, you can expect it to start floundering fast, similar to the N64 once developers realized it wasn't going to be as flexible to use as the PS1.
Post by: Switchblade on 01 May 2006, 14:43
Which is a crying shame, and a bit of a problem, because if it were easier to code for, Sony would wipe the floor with all the other companies by putting out a system with games leagues in advance of the competition. Here's hoping they realise that and streamline the development process prior to release. (wonder what odds I'd get on that?).
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Post by: est on 02 May 2006, 02:13
I mean, I know that it's probably just wishful thinking, but c'mon people, work with me here alright?
Post by: Bunnyman on 02 May 2006, 03:14
Still, you gotta admire the sheer cajones Nintendo has. Some seriously good shit going on with the Wii, assuming the games live up to the system. Sony just has hubris. First DRM, then the Cell Processor + Late Dev Kits...are they trying to piss everyone off?
While the PS3 has a totally new architecture and spotty (at best) support, the X360 is like programming a single-spec windows box with ass-loads of power and Microsoft backing up developers at every step. Which looks like a better dev platform for your game?
Post by: neomang5 on 02 May 2006, 04:56
Post by: Oli on 02 May 2006, 06:44
I mean you can have 4 player games with one xbox, or system linked games with your friends.
With a PC you'd need to have PC's linked together in a house OR take a trip to a lan centre. Either of these options is expensive whereas with Xboxs you can transport them easily.
Post by: Alegis on 02 May 2006, 09:10
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The difference between the Xbox and a PC is that the xbox is much more social than PC's.
Ohmigosh, xbox is so more social I can chat with it on IRC/Fora and play on ze web with many, many more people and speak on vent.
Ah no wait, other way around.
Remember that for xbox lans, you need TV screens as well. PC lans tend to be much more fun as you got the file swapping (leaching) etc.
Post by: Ozymandias on 02 May 2006, 09:19
You're at least sitting in a room with a couple of other people doing that.
Post by: jhocking on 02 May 2006, 09:19
Post by: neomang5 on 02 May 2006, 10:44
Also, LAN parties > Xbox parties. It's just more interesting to see everyone's gear and how they've set up their rig. Plus, you get to branch out more, and get more playtime rather than fighting for a spot at one of the few tvs. I'll always love my PC more than the Xbox my brother and sister bought.
But really, the Wii needs a launch lineup more than a gimmicky name. Once I hear that, I'll know how willing I am to put up with the goofy marketing ploy. I'll but it regardless, but if it's a solid system, I wont feel so bad about dropping about $300USD (my estimated price) on it.
Post by: Ozymandias on 02 May 2006, 11:36
As long as one of them is Smash Bros. WIIIIIIII, I'm sold.
Post by: Alegis on 02 May 2006, 11:59
Quote from: neomang5
but if it's a solid system, I wont feel so bad about dropping about $300USD (my estimated price) on it.
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=3&cId=3149198
-200$ are good guesses. Of course that's your estimation and until otherwise announced all speculation.
Supersmash Bros Wii is most likely a launch title Ozy.
Quote from: 1up site
and Nintendo is aiming to have it ready for launch
Goddamn Supersmash bros rocks so much.
Fox!
Post by: Bunnyman on 02 May 2006, 16:39
Post by: valley_parade on 02 May 2006, 17:05
Post by: Ozymandias on 02 May 2006, 17:52
Quote from: Bunnyman
Make the trigger for super smash moves a giant baseball-esque swing and I'm sold.
Hell yes. I was just thinking this early today.
Home Run Bat + Wii controller = FUN (and possibly violent) TIMES
Post by: Chesire Cat on 02 May 2006, 20:11
I hope wii, the name, succeeds. I also madly hope the controller works as well as planned.
Post by: Swali on 02 May 2006, 20:27
Post by: Ozymandias on 02 May 2006, 21:36
Quote from: Chesire Cat
I hope wii, the name, succeeds. I also madly hope the controller works as well as planned.
Nintendo hasn't failed to make new technology awesomely workable since the Virtual Boy.
And even then it was a design issue, not a technology issue. That was quite awesome to play if you balanced it on your eyes and lied down.
But analog sticks? Wireless controllers? Touch screen? All are quite in the 'fuck yes, this is actually pretty awesome' category.
Post by: nihilist on 03 May 2006, 08:21
Won't buy it for the name. And honestly, I don't really see myself buying it. I don't care for the games, and the controller? No way. It's fucking tiny. My hands will not like using it. Also: ergonomics? If I had to play a game with that small flat stick for three hours, I'd probably end up cutting my arms off, dousing the stumps in gas, and lighting them on fire to cauterize them shut.
As to the PS3... It's not better. It really isn't. A processor with little number crunching units, ooh. Handy for... Graphics. And only graphics. Not for AI. And frankly, flashy graphics are pretty tired. For the last two or three years, most games that come out are lauded for their amazing graphics, but evoke no actual enjoyment while playing. None. Again, why do I want that?
So, I'll stick to my PC with the MMOs, and will keep myself entertained that way.
Post by: Alegis on 05 May 2006, 08:04
Name is real, and patent applied for nov 11 last year.
Post by: Ozymandias on 05 May 2006, 12:24
Quote from: nihilist
Wee.
Won't buy it for the name. And honestly, I don't really see myself buying it. I don't care for the games, and the controller? No way. It's fucking tiny. My hands will not like using it. Also: ergonomics? If I had to play a game with that small flat stick for three hours, I'd probably end up cutting my arms off, dousing the stumps in gas, and lighting them on fire to cauterize them shut.
As to the PS3... It's not better. It really isn't. A processor with little number crunching units, ooh. Handy for... Graphics. And only graphics. Not for AI. And frankly, flashy graphics are pretty tired. For the last two or three years, most games that come out are lauded for their amazing graphics, but evoke no actual enjoyment while playing. None. Again, why do I want that?
So, I'll stick to my PC with the MMOs, and will keep myself entertained that way.
Actually, the remote part is very ergonomic. It's not just a flat stick, because there's buttons on the bottom too, for your index finger. So, they had to incorporate an ergonomic design so that it'll fit comfortably in your hand and allow you to hit that button easily. It's less like using a TV remote and more like using a phaser from Star Trek.
Post by: nihilist on 05 May 2006, 12:36
Post by: Switchblade on 06 May 2006, 03:28
Quote from: nihilist
As to the PS3... It's not better. It really isn't. A processor with little number crunching units, ooh. Handy for... Graphics. And only graphics. Not for AI. And frankly, flashy graphics are pretty tired. For the last two or three years, most games that come out are lauded for their amazing graphics, but evoke no actual enjoyment while playing. None. Again, why do I want that?
To each their own. I tend to find that the games which REALLY stand out from the crowd graphics-wise tend to hav at least respectable AI.
And let's face it, good AI doesn't necessarily make a good game, nor does bad AI ruin an excellent one. Half-Life 2 is repeatedly cited as being the modern great of PC gaming, but most of the AI in that is actually pretty pathetic. (Fire. Strafe back and forth between two hint markers on ground. Reload in plain sight when ammo runs out. throw grenade at random intervals. repeat.). the only two things in the game that actually display any sense at all are the Gunship and the Strider. I've actually used gunships in Hammer, and the damned things are smart. That "shooting at the rocket" thing originally arose out of the AI, it's not hard-coded. Similarly, if shooting it won't work, I've seen them try to lure the rocket into the scenery instead.
But I digress. The majority of the AI in HAlf-Life 2 is pretty low-grade. It's far surpassed by F.E.A.R, Far Cry, or Black - all if which are graphically excellent games.
If a games team is putting that kind of effort into making the game look nice, nine times out of ten, a similar amount of effort is being put in in other places as well (though not always, I agree).
My understanding was that AI ran on the CPU anyway. there are no dedicated "AI Cards" that I know of. If a system has a more powerful central processor, surely it'll be MORE adept at handling AI, not less?
Post by: nihilist on 06 May 2006, 08:36
Post by: Alegis on 06 May 2006, 12:09
2 days left for some great Wii news ...
http://e3.nintendo.com
Post by: Catfish_Man on 06 May 2006, 20:20
Quote from: nihilist
AI requires good branch prediction and OOO execution. The Cell processor only can do that on the actual PPC-based core, not the SPEs. SPEs don't have ANY of that goodness, they are only good for ripping through basic math. Thus AI and physics are going to be vying for the attention of the main core.
Actually the PPC core isn't OoO either. In-order two issue hyperthreaded. Still, just the fact that it's running at 3.2GHz makes up for a lot of downsides.
Post by: nihilist on 06 May 2006, 22:28
The one thing that helps the Xbox 360 is that it has three of the same core, not one big core with eight little number crunching units.
Sony always has some assnasty hardware issues.
Post by: Alegis on 07 May 2006, 14:50
this looks really GREAT AND FUN !
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But the name Wii not wii-thstanding, Nintendo has grasped two important notions that have eluded its competitors. The first is, Don’t listen to your customers. The hard-core gaming community is extremely vocal–they blog a lot–but if Nintendo kept listening to them, hard-core gamers would be the only audience it ever had. “[Wii] was unimaginable for them,” Iwata says. “And because it was unimaginable, they could not say that they wanted it. If you are simply listening to requests from the customer, you can satisfy their needs, but you can never surprise them. Sony and Microsoft make daily-necessity kinds of things. They have to listen to the needs of the customers and try to comply with their requests. That kind of approach has been deeply ingrained in their minds.”
QFT
Post by: Chesire Cat on 07 May 2006, 15:21
Post by: Alegis on 09 May 2006, 10:24
As for the controller, there will be a speaker in it to add depth of sound. Like in Zelda: Twilight Princess you fire a bow and the sound will sorta bounce to the tv screen as if indeed an arrow is being fired from your hands.
Post by: Jenno on 09 May 2006, 20:00
Video 1
Video 2
There's also Mario footage :)
Post by: Stifled Dreams on 09 May 2006, 20:13
Post by: Alegis on 10 May 2006, 13:40
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707077p1.html
damn thats cool
Post by: nickyandthefuture on 10 May 2006, 14:35
Post by: Storm Rider on 10 May 2006, 17:35
Super Smash Brothers
Fire Emblem
and fucking DUCK HUNT.
End of story, this is the console that most interests me. Add to it Zelda, the general assholery of Sony and Microsoft, Especially since I have to pay for all games and related peripherals myself, meaning that I would be extremely hesitant to buy a 360 and almost certain that a PS3 is never going to even enter the picture.
Not to mention that the primary issues raised about the system, meaning the controller and the high-def issue, don't apply to me. There will be a conventional controller, and there's no way in fucking hell I could afford a high def TV anyway, so what do I care?
I'm totally in the Wii camp at this point, stupid name or no.
Post by: Valrus on 10 May 2006, 18:51
Post by: Alegis on 11 May 2006, 08:44
The trailer looks cool, with UBER power effects
Post by: Garcin on 11 May 2006, 10:01
(2) "Whee" = used to express delight or exuberance
(3) "Wee" = 1 : very small : DIMINUTIVE; 2 : very early
It's not like it just means urine, right? In any event, as I pointed out when the remote concept was revealed, if the sword fighting simulations are any good at all in terms of gameplay, I will be getting this system. This would be equally true if they called it the Nintendo HorseVomit.
Post by: jhocking on 11 May 2006, 13:00
Quote from: Bunnyman
Make the trigger for super smash moves a giant baseball-esque swing and I'm sold.
This is the coolest idea I've heard all week.
Quote from: nihilist
OOO
Okay, now you guys are just making stuff up.
Post by: Something Witty on 11 May 2006, 14:54
Post by: Gryff on 11 May 2006, 15:36
Watch the first video. If that doesn't make you want to Wii yourself with excitement, then I don't know what will.
Post by: Garcin on 11 May 2006, 22:23
If this reaction is any indication, and if the Wiimote has even half the game play it appears to have in the promotional videos, Wii will dominate this generation the way the SNES did in its time.
Post by: Gryff on 11 May 2006, 22:43
Post by: crazybritishsteve on 12 May 2006, 01:11
............at least that was my old view point. The more and more i'm hearing about the wii, the more and more i keep thinking 'I'm sure we could squeeze in another console.....'
I'll probably still get a 360, my girlfriend will probably still buy a ps3, but the wiivolution (i like that name, well done to the dude that came up with it. Would put your name here, but i'm lazy) might actually come first.
Post by: Alegis on 12 May 2006, 09:25
http://www.digg.com/gaming/Super_Mario_Galaxy_(HUGE)_Boss_Battle_Video
It looked weird at first, but now great fun :P
Post by: AceGun on 12 May 2006, 09:35
Quote from: Gryff
Holy shit guys! Super Smash Bros. Brawl!
Watch the first video. If that doesn't make you want to Wii yourself with excitement, then I don't know what will.
Holy crap. That is the greatest thing to ever exist anywhere.
Post by: Bunnyman on 12 May 2006, 11:49
SOLD!
Everything about this console is amazing. I admire Nintendo for trying somethng completely different and backing it with the great ideas and execution necessary for it to go off well. Also, a nice low price point to fuck over the PS3 with.
I swear, at this point Nintendo's cajones have statistically significant gravitational pull. Every move Sony's made since October has smacked of hubris. I hope the PS3 tanks horribly...smack those fuckers out of their complacency.
Post by: karl gambolputty... on 12 May 2006, 12:18
Quote from: jhocking
Quote from: nihilistOOO
Okay, now you guys are just making stuff up.
It's short for out of order
Quote from: Alegis
A light gun shell
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/707/707077p1.html
damn thats cool
Wow.
Post by: Hat on 12 May 2006, 19:33
What sort of disc format is the Wii going to use? I suppose Nintendo are probably going to go with their traditional "Screw the industry trends" attitude, and not go with anything DVD/HD/BR compatible, which kind of pisses me off, but also makes me clasp my hands together under my chin and declare "Oh Nintendo, you're such a rebel!" like a schoolgirl.
Post by: Mikintosh on 12 May 2006, 21:15
Post by: Ozymandias on 12 May 2006, 21:44
Post by: Storm Rider on 12 May 2006, 23:57
Quote from: Bunnyman
Everything about this console is amazing. I admire Nintendo for trying somethng completely different and backing it with the great ideas and execution necessary for it to go off well. Also, a nice low price point to fuck over the PS3 with.
I swear, at this point Nintendo's cajones have statistically significant gravitational pull. Every move Sony's made since October has smacked of hubris. I hope the PS3 tanks horribly...smack those fuckers out of their complacency.
I agree completely. I'm not sure whether I'll buy the Wii immediately or wait a month or two, but it is the only next-gen console I am absolutely sure I want.
Post by: Rizzo on 13 May 2006, 02:21
Snake in SBB and the new Mario plus that truck game won me over. I'll be there with bells on!
Post by: Jiedos on 13 May 2006, 07:21
As for the name, I think what a better way to get remembered, wii, yes it does sound like wee, so what parents wont mind that I means they would if it was something like peess then we would have a problem. So back off the name, it works on many levels we're just not use to it. I can remember the Xbox....at first thought I was like...xbox...what the fork is a name like that...but then as time passed on I got use to it and look how huge it became.
Post by: Lukester on 13 May 2006, 08:40
I enjoyed nintendo ever since i played a SNES, then i go n64, then GBcolour, advance, gamecube then a DS im going for Wii no matter what the name is...
I heard some speculations that ps3 have stolen the nintendo controller in some way...
and Wii upside down is !!M not M!! :P
Post by: Stifled Dreams on 13 May 2006, 09:33
But I was talking to my friend and I said, "I think I want a Wii," and we ended up in a fit of laughter. That won't stop me from getting it eventually, but it is seriously awkward.
Post by: Garcin on 15 May 2006, 16:11
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Post by: Storm Rider on 15 May 2006, 22:15
Post by: Storm Rider on 16 May 2006, 17:15
Quote from: Spinless
Kirby with a mullet and an old ragged bandana + 5o'clock shadow will be even better.
Quote from: Spinless
I will ignite your stupid wario farts with a stinger missile. Biatch.
Quote from: Spinless
Pffft. Snake would just blow pit into 2 seperate parts with explosives, lock on with stinger missiles, activate stealth and then chase him with a nikita rocket.
Hmmmm.
Post by: Daphoid on 16 May 2006, 23:01
*watches hour long Nintendo press video*
Me: Hi Nintedo?
Nintendo: Yes?
Me: Can you send me a Wii, about 10 of the games you demo'd today, and four controllers?
Nintendo: Sure!
Me: Thanks.
That'll be me on launch day :). Also the fact that it has an optional SD slot for more internal memory means I could slap a 2GB card in there for glorious space.
- D
Post by: Electric Monk on 17 May 2006, 02:16
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Post by: crazybritishsteve on 17 May 2006, 04:11
Post by: Electric Monk on 17 May 2006, 10:49
"Hey, I never noticed you have a GameCube."
"It's not mine! It's, um, my brother's. I don't know how that got there."
"Hey, it's cool man. I play GameCube too."
"Oh. Heh heh. Cool."
-Awkward silence-
Post by: jhocking on 17 May 2006, 15:20
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Post by: Storm Rider on 17 May 2006, 21:29
Quote from: est
VG Cats would probably be my favourite comic if he updated more often.
QFT. Scott is terrible with deadlines. Great art, insightful, funny, but he cannot keep a consistent update schedule.