Post by: Makeout_Hobo on 26 May 2006, 01:25
SO FUCKING BAD!
ARGHHFA:SDFASDf
PROBLEMS!
SO MANY PROBLEMS!
ALSO SPOILERS! DO NOT READ ITALICS IF YOU DO NOT WANT SPOILERS!
PROBLEM ONE!
Okay you can't just... kill Cyclops with no fanfare and pretend it never happened except for like 2 fake emotional scenes.
PROBLEM TWO!
YOU CAN'T FUCKING KILL PROFESSER FUCKING CHARLES FUCKING XAVIER WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK!
PROBLEM THREE!
No one acted in character, AT ALL! Magneto is not the kind of guy who would just order mass amounts of his troops forward to have them depowered. That is not something he would do! Nor would he kill people just for the sake of killing them! It's not who he is! Likewise, Wolveriene kept being an emotional little bitch, which really bugged the hell out of me.
PROBLEM FOUR!
You can't fucking depower Mystique, and you sure as all fucking HELL can't depower mag fucking neto. Nor can you depower Rogue. WHAT THE FUCK RATNER!
PROBLEM FIVE!
THE WHOLE FUCKING MOVIE!
All they did was steal the scenes they thought were best from various moments in various X-men comics. The line "I hope those grow back" was SAID TO WOLVERIENE in a Punisher comic. The shot of Magneto at the end is straight from Ultimate X-men, and Wolveriene killing Jean(again) was a rip from when he killed her in Morrison's New X-men. The Storm/Callisto fight, which I assume was put in for the sake of fan boys who know Storm beat Callisto's ass for the leadership of the Morlocks, was boring. Leech was that same obnoxious bald kid from fucking Ultraviolet, for christ's sake.
I know that I am being a pretty stereotypical comic book guy here, but I honestly fucking loathed! this movie. The fact that they butchered Joss Whedon's idea pissed me off like all holy hell too. Also also, what the fuck was Jean Grey supposed to be Madlyene Prior? Are they going into that weird of continuity? Or was it just an allusion in regards to this movie sucking. I almost walked out when magneto lost his powers. I will have more coherant arguments tommorow after I am no longer on the verge of madness at how FUCKING HORRIBLE THIS MOVIE FUCKING WAS!!!
Things I liked.
Kitty Pride was hot.
Post by: est on 26 May 2006, 02:25
Post by: happybirthdaygelatin on 26 May 2006, 02:34
Thank you for saving me what little money I have.
Post by: Makeout_Hobo on 26 May 2006, 02:36
But this was so bad!
I totally want to fuck Kitty Pride though. She's 19, so no snide remarks, if you don't mind! Please, help me with this mission.
Post by: happybirthdaygelatin on 26 May 2006, 02:48
Also. Oh man. I had to look it up but Kitty Pride is hot. Always has been one of my favourite charecters.
FUCKING Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut had me laughing when I saw a shot of that.
Post by: AceGun on 26 May 2006, 08:21
Of course, there is way more to complain about though. all of magneto's decisions were completely out of character. what the hell was up with their choices of characters? I know he basically took the Astonishing X-Men team as best he could, but hey had the opportunity to use tons of characters the fans wanted to see as members of magnetos group/morlocks, but they chose quill and arclight? what the hell? Why was angel completely left out of the second half of the movie, pretty much? I don't think he had a single line after he arrived at the mansion. They stole the speech about the cure almost word for word out of Astonishing X-Men, but decided not to actually use the story that was created around it? What was up with the decision to center around Storm so much? She's normally a good character, but Berry could not pull it off.
There are many more complaints, but here are some high points:
-Fastball special
-"i'm the juggernaut, bitch"
I just hope they get someone else to do the next one (if you stayed after the credits, you know there's going to be a next one).
Post by: Makeout_Hobo on 26 May 2006, 10:15
Post by: AceGun on 26 May 2006, 10:21
Post by: Makeout_Hobo on 26 May 2006, 10:37
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do you remember that video that the professor showed to his class? and he talked about doing something that may or may not be ethical? yah, he did that. So basically, Moira comes to check the status of the coma patient, and then he starts to talk in Xavier's voice. she says "Charles?" and then it's over.
That's more incredibly idiotic than something that makes me happy about Prof-X being alive.
DAMN YOU RATNER.
Post by: AceGun on 26 May 2006, 10:57
Post by: Garcin on 26 May 2006, 11:33
Post by: Makeout_Hobo on 26 May 2006, 11:34
It needs to make money so they'll make another one.
Post by: Garcin on 26 May 2006, 11:36
Post by: Garcin on 26 May 2006, 11:45
But as for Marvel movies that I would really want to see: a Doctor Strange spinoff could be awesome if it were done with a light touch. Maybe someone comparable with Alfonso Cuarón since he did such a great job with Prisoner of Azkaban. That's right -- old skool.
Post by: AceGun on 26 May 2006, 12:29
Oh, you should still go see the movie. the fight at the beginning is pretty cool, and the Phoenix effects looks pretty neat.
Post by: AceGun on 26 May 2006, 13:05
I don't see why they can't just go "Joss Whedon, please make the next movie! we want people to actually like it!" I have complete faith that he could recover from this sorry display.
Post by: Makeout_Hobo on 26 May 2006, 15:44
Post by: StarMinion1 on 26 May 2006, 18:07
And I do have to say that I thought Kitty was 12 too...
Post by: messeduplilkid on 26 May 2006, 18:42
The first half i liked alot. but i think they dropped the ball on the second half.
Maybe i'm just Gae for Xmen, that i'd like anything they threw at me.
Disapointed =yes
still enjoyed myself = yes
please dont crucify me like they did to Wolverine, on a giant X.
Post by: Makeout_Hobo on 26 May 2006, 19:03
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME TASTE AS ME OR BE DESTROYYYEDDD!
Post by: Hat on 26 May 2006, 19:19
Quote from: Spinless
Guys...DEADPOOL!
Ryan Reynolds wants to play Deadpool in a movie.
WHAT?!?
I would fall to my knees, weeping tears of joy.
Post by: messeduplilkid on 26 May 2006, 20:41
*weep*
/End Life x 3
Post by: Daniel on 26 May 2006, 21:36
And I'm a comic book geek. To the max. But I don't care that things aren't the same as in the comics.
It entertained me.
Post by: E. Spaceman on 27 May 2006, 01:52
Post by: lh1031 on 27 May 2006, 02:12
I hated the movie, and not for the same reasons you guys did. I have never read the comics, but my dad did, so I knew just enough to know who the characters are and how their powers work. That being said. I am a theatre major so the nerdiness is about to come out.
Complaint One: Badly written corny one liners ex: "The best defense is a good offense" "Are YOU ready to do what you have to do?"
Complaint Two: Halley Berry. I like her. Most of the things I have seen her in were good, but she was just awful in this. It makes me sad. Storm needs more strength than Berry gave her. It was obvious the script was written to focus on the two big name actors Berry and Jackman, but come on they're a team you cant focus on two characters just because you want to.
Complaint Three: Random Deaths. Cyclops?! WTF?! HE didnt even have a role in this movie. There was NO character development. I mean I know he was developed in previous movies, but REALLY?! An off camera death after a kiss gone wrong? Are you kidding?! Professor X. What was that smile he gave Logan right before he died? Out of character. Xavier doesnt smile. Plus he got really whiny there towards the end of his life too.
Complaint Four: Mediocre Acting. With the exception of McKellan and Stewart (who I would watch fold laundry) the cast was awful. Overdone sterotypical acting. *Acting voice* I am Scott I am brooding. Watch me brood.
I am sure there is more, but it sucked. They might have to make a fourth just to keep all the fans from imploding. They cant leave us on this note!
Can they?!
Post by: Slick on 27 May 2006, 08:25
The lines and dialog was largely crap. I never liked Cyclops anyways so I don't mind his death that much. Wolverine was too weepy all the time though. I don't like Jean getting 'cured', I do like how Wolverine didn't talk her out of it, just made her think about it.
I thought the deaths were good in the movie, and besides that I liked the action sequences, basically. I was waiting for Magneto to start using the cars as ballistic weapons, that's always fun. It was a great big mutant party.
I haven't read many of the comics (though I have seen the cartoons!), but I was hoping Magneto would be less evil, not sure if that fits. One thing I like about this series is how the bad guy is completely right in his own mind and isn't too evil about it. As well as how mourned Charles' death.
Like the hobo said, if they make money off of this, they may make more, and it is probably decent as far as summer movies go if you're looking for some fun. But if you've read the comics, you'll probably be less inclined to agree with me.
Post by: öde on 27 May 2006, 09:37
Post by: Ozymandias on 27 May 2006, 12:24
I thought it was decent, actually. I went in with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't that bad. As a movie it was pretty damn sweet.
They just fucked up the characters really bad. I wish they hadn't wasted such an awesome storyline like the Phoenix like they did, but everything else can be salvaged by Bryan Singer or Joss Whedon in the next movie.
I'm just soooo goddamn tired of the stupidly evil Magneto in the movies. I wish he hadn't gotten his power back.
Post by: xeyexlinerx on 27 May 2006, 12:45
Post by: poeticallybored on 27 May 2006, 12:52
Yes, the acting bit, Storm and Cyclops in particular, but what could you have expected having seen the first two? Glad Cyclops is dead (though they don't actually show him dieing so, hell, they might bring him back).
I hate how Berry was bitching about not having a more central role in the films so they upped Storm's role to appease her. She didn't have a more central role because SHE'S A HORRIBLE ACTRESS.
Criticism of Jackman's Wolverine is a little harsh. Even Wolverine has feelings.
But it's the ending that has me annoyed. WHAT THE FUCK!
If Xavier transfered his mind into rando dude's body, how the hell did he talk to Moira like that?
1) If he spoke to Moira through his mouth, he would not have the same voice as Xavier's old body.
2) It's not Xavier's old body, so he would not have mutant powers, unless the guy ever-so-conveniently were also a telepath.
And then there's the Magneto getting his powers back deal. Everyone else will get their powers back, and if they don't, that's crap. They better have a damn good way of justifying how this happens.
I hope Rogue gets her powers back right when she and Iceman start doing it. Her vagina killing Bobby would be the most hilarious way for them to introduce a Rogue/Gambit romance.
Post by: Ozymandias on 27 May 2006, 13:21
Quote from: poeticallybored
If Xavier transfered his mind into rando dude's body, how the hell did he talk to Moira like that?
1) If he spoke to Moira through his mouth, he would not have the same voice as Xavier's old body.
2) It's not Xavier's old body, so he would not have mutant powers, unless the guy ever-so-conveniently were also a telepath.
Actually, since it was Moira who was the doctor, it's very possible that the person he transferred into was Proteus, which means he could actually just use Proteus's immense power to make himself Xavier again.
Which is kinda cheap.
Post by: poeticallybored on 27 May 2006, 13:57
Post by: Maximo Bean on 27 May 2006, 14:52
Post by: Ozymandias on 27 May 2006, 15:59
That's not what Rogue would do. Ever.
Post by: LiterSize on 27 May 2006, 16:57
it was all a bad dream! An alternate universe!
PS- Cyclops has been one of my fave x-men and I hate that's what he got. But yeah, habeas corpus on him. Then... if Jean's a psychic along with being telekinetic, right? Why attack Wolverine physically? It's no secret you can psychically wound him.
*groan* oh well. I still went to see it.
Post by: Trollstormur on 27 May 2006, 17:00
I'd pay to see magneto/prof x makeouts.
Post by: Tergon on 27 May 2006, 17:17
THEY. CUT. NIGHTCRAWLER.
Seriously, they don't even *justify* it in the movie? And I know he's in the game, but so are Iceman and Wolverine, fer God's sake. Nightcrawler is probably my favourite Marvel character, and they cut him out just so they could have Wolverine switch into full Gary-Stu superhero mode.
FAIL.
Post by: karl gambolputty... on 27 May 2006, 18:16
Post by: Thoku on 27 May 2006, 18:52
Quote from: E. Spaceman
Although the movie was unremarkable, there was one bit which really scared me, the actress who played Arclight looked just like Prince dressed as a hooker and with boobs!!
shockingly true... im quite disturbed now! *shudder*
Post by: Ozymandias on 27 May 2006, 19:06
Quote from: Tergon
While I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment of this thread, in that X3 is a shitty movie (as indicated by the emoticon it forms), I only have one thing to add to it. Three little words.
THEY. CUT. NIGHTCRAWLER.
Seriously, they don't even *justify* it in the movie? And I know he's in the game, but so are Iceman and Wolverine, fer God's sake. Nightcrawler is probably my favourite Marvel character, and they cut him out just so they could have Wolverine switch into full Gary-Stu superhero mode.
FAIL.
"They" did not cut crap.
Alan "Cumming" did not want to be in the movie because he hated wearign the makeup.
Post by: Tergon on 27 May 2006, 19:57
And hell, all I want is an explanation. Give me a *reason* why he's not there. A major character from X2 just disappears without a trace in X3? That's just poor scripting. At the very least there should have been a mention of him to explain why he's no longer there.
Post by: Daniel on 27 May 2006, 20:03
Quote from: LiterSize
it was all a bad dream! An alternate universe!
It is an alternate universe?!
Post by: Electric Monk on 27 May 2006, 21:27
I was wrong.
My biggest problem is that for the life of me I can't make sense of the last action scene. Why doesn't Magneto have Jean just explode all the human soldiers instead of sending in other mutants when he knows the soldiers have cure guns? Why do the X-Men defend the building at all? Why do the X-Men not even flinch at using lethal force to stop the mutants on Magneto's side who are only trying to defend themselves against what they see as a threat? Why didn't anyone tell Kitty Pryde that being with a couple feet of Leech takes away your powers? How do Kitty and Juggernaut know what room Leech is in to begin with?
My brain huuuuurts....
Post by: Trollstormur on 27 May 2006, 23:22
Post by: E. Spaceman on 27 May 2006, 23:44
Post by: Mnementh on 28 May 2006, 01:03
Post by: Maximo Bean on 28 May 2006, 07:08
And why didn't Wolverine just get rid of Jean's powers rather than killing her?
AND WHAT WAS UP WITH THE WHOLE XAVIER THING AFTER THE CREDITS?
...I miss the old Rogue. She so wouldn't have done that. Bobby would have disowned her. Pft. I am outraged at the whole thing.
... enjoyed it though.
Post by: poeticallybored on 28 May 2006, 07:31
Mutant power
vs.
The romancin'. To know the touch of another person, even.
Tough call.
We lonely loveless overprioritize love. Sacrifices can be made.
Post by: est on 28 May 2006, 08:23
Every single thing I hear about this movie makes me just shake my fucking head. These are the people that get paid to make movies? Fucking hell. What scripts were rejected?
Post by: Manta Ray on 28 May 2006, 09:23
It was a good action movie, but it's story was terrible. It was basically a lesson in Human-Mutant relations.
Post by: E. Spaceman on 28 May 2006, 10:06
Quote from: Maximo Bean
And why didn't Wolverine just get rid of Jean's powers rather than killing her?
I thought the "final showdown" between Wolverine and Jean was rater stupid. Why didn't they just throw the power sucking kid at Jean and the knok her in the head or something?
Post by: poeticallybored on 28 May 2006, 10:23
Post by: E. Spaceman on 28 May 2006, 10:42
Post by: Thoku on 28 May 2006, 10:50
Quote from: E. Spaceman
Quote from: Maximo Bean
And why didn't Wolverine just get rid of Jean's powers rather than killing her?
I thought the "final showdown" between Wolverine and Jean was rater stupid. Why didn't they just throw the power sucking kid at Jean and the knok her in the head or something?
the kid has got a radius of effect and would have been killed before getting close to jean. Using one of those darts would have worked much better tho.
Post by: Trollstormur on 28 May 2006, 12:32
STOOPID MOVIE!
Post by: Manta Ray on 28 May 2006, 14:02
Post by: E. Spaceman on 28 May 2006, 14:04
Post by: Ravenbomb on 28 May 2006, 18:43
Post by: Kugai on 29 May 2006, 00:31
I know know not to waste my money on this ..... this ....... butchery of the X-Men. Liked the first two, but grom the sound of it, I will not be going to this one.
Pity, was looking foward to seeing The Pheonix.
Pity I didn'y know stuff like this before I went and saw Starship Troopers
Post by: moley on 29 May 2006, 03:51
isn't juggernaught not a mutant? I can't recall exactly since I'm not an x-men buff, but there's something about a temple and a crystal that gives him his powers.
so then why did the leech kid suck up Juggernaughts powers?
Post by: Ulfednar on 29 May 2006, 03:58
I've yet to see this third movie, but i'm sure as hell gonna see it as soon as possible! Story, bla bla... if i want story i go see a serious movie! This one... this one is only for Wolverine and special effects!
Oh, and Patrick Stewart!
Post by: GebStar on 29 May 2006, 04:20
Just as magneto placed down the golden gate bridge (I know what the fuck?) he looks towards the installation and it's daylight, the sun is just going down, theres about fifteen minutes of sunlight. It cuts to the next shot of him and the mutants walking towards the installation and it's dark, pitch fucking black, how slow are these cunts that it takes them 25 minutes to walk three feet?
That being said, even if a movie is horrendous, I can still like it. It was simple and stupid but it had a few fun bits which I quite liked and I liked the bit where Wolverine walked towards JG and his skin and shit is coming off, it was very over the top, but I like seeing stuff like that.
Post by: moderately brie on 29 May 2006, 08:13
But, the last movie, wasn't as spectacular as I wished it was. I was confused, wondering why I was sent off into a world of fantasy the second I leav ethe movie...and that's because it wasn't that good.
Bryan Singer screwed it up.
Post by: moderately brie on 29 May 2006, 08:14
Quote from: E. Spaceman
Yeah, was it really necessary to stab poor Gandalf with all four?
I'm sorry, but I didn't see that and that's exactly what I said while seeing it. HAHA.
Post by: poeticallybored on 29 May 2006, 12:41
They also didn't include in the movie how Juggernaut/Xavier are stepbrothers.
Post by: donovangelonardo on 29 May 2006, 13:44
Also, while I do miss Nightcrawler, I loved Beast. No one has mentioned him yet, but I thought he was right on. Does anyone know if the team in the final fight scene represents the full team of active X-Men at any time in the comics? Wolverine, Storm, Beast, Colossus, Ice-man, Shadowcat, and for the heck of it, Angel.
BTW, I think this is my first post in this forum. Hi!
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 29 May 2006, 13:45
Post by: Ravenbomb on 29 May 2006, 16:13
Quote from: donovangelonardo
anyone else think they should've just gone the classic route and had Rogue depower Jean? Heck, let her touch Colussus first so Jean can't disintegrate her, then have Rogue permanently absorb the dangerous part of Jean's power. Boom, Jean back to normal, and Rogue becomes her uber-powerful, flying self.
Also, while I do miss Nightcrawler, I loved Beast. No one has mentioned him yet, but I thought he was right on. Does anyone know if the team in the final fight scene represents the full team of active X-Men at any time in the comics? Wolverine, Storm, Beast, Colossus, Ice-man, Shadowcat, and for the heck of it, Angel.
BTW, I think this is my first post in this forum. Hi!
I think the lineup for Days of Future Past was pretty close to that. It was, IIRC, Storm, Colossus, Shadowcat, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Angel
Post by: poeticallybored on 29 May 2006, 16:44
Look off to the right side. The closest roster, to what was in the movie, is the Astonishing X-Men title.
Cyclops
Emma Frost (White Queen)
Beast
Shadowcat (Kitty Pryde)
Colossus
Wolverine
Post by: DeadPanDan on 29 May 2006, 18:56
But you people are scaring me.
Post by: Electric Monk on 29 May 2006, 23:31
Quote from: Scandanavian War Machine
theyre stepbrothers? i thought they were twins or something. didnt charles have a twin that he almost killed in the womb or something? or did juggernaut? i dunno....its been a while
Juggernaut (AKA Cain Marko) and Prof. X are indeed stepbrothers, and Prof. X did have a twin he strangled in the womb, who later used her immense powers to create a new body for herself and perpetrate various evil acts, including switching bodies with Xavier and causing general mayhem.
Yes, I'm a geek, but I also have Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra_Nova[/url]
Post by: Heavy Duty AA Battery on 30 May 2006, 00:36
Post by: Maximo Bean on 30 May 2006, 05:24
...maybe I got her all wrong :(
Post by: JJMitchell on 30 May 2006, 05:40
That said, I've noticed some people complaining about eveyone being depowered when obviously Magneto was recovering his powers at the end. Everyone else will also. Rogue and Mystique included folks. Calm down. :P
Things I didn't like about it:
1) Cyclops being killed off. Sure he is no Wolverine but noone seemed to really care that he died.
2) The lack of character development. Seemed like because they had so many mutants in it that they couldn't decide who should be developed so they didn't. Kitty and Iceman were probably the two that actually had some character development.
As far as professor X, I thought it was cool. Sure its a cheap way out but how many times have things like this been done in comics? Alot.
As far as to how, didn't Xavier say something about transferring 'a mind' into that body? It completely possible that he doesn't have his powers after the transfer but I doubt they would do that.
All I all I'd say it was the worst of the 3 but not horrible.
Post by: Switchblade on 30 May 2006, 07:10
CONTROVERSY!
Post by: AceGun on 30 May 2006, 09:44
Post by: Lines on 30 May 2006, 10:20
where were the sentinels??? (other than the one in the room at the beginning, which wasn't real.) why didn't rogue get to fly? the whole story behind rogue flying is awesome. WHY WAS MYSTIQUE DEPOWERED??? WHERE WAS GAMBIT????? WHY WAS IT SO BAD???
and why did the one chick not talk? seriously, she creeped me out.
Post by: AceGun on 30 May 2006, 10:25
Post by: will: wanton sex god on 30 May 2006, 14:18
they were also stirpped, given back, and taken again by the same deity.
they allowed him the strength, forcefield thing, unharmable physical body, and inability to be stopped (except by like the hulk, and ohter extreme circustances) the same deity gave him his armor/helmet for blocking out telekinesis.
without them hes just pretty strong.
Post by: Switchblade on 30 May 2006, 15:36
Wether or not The Juggernaut was originally something other than a mutant is besides the point. His presence was desired in the movie, so the empirical concept behind the character - big, muscly, helmet, unstoppable - was taken, the stuff that would have taken an entire movie of its own to explain was scrapped in favour of a simpler explanation that wouldn't screw over the narrative flow of the film.
Main characters dying? So what? [NON-XMEN FILM SPOILER - HIGHLIGHT TO VIEW] It happened to Wash in "Serenity", and I've yet to hear anyone call THAT a bad film. Main characters do get killed off from time to time. In this case, it was done for dramatic effect, and I thought it was effective.
I suppose that if you're a true X-Men nerd, then some of the changes made for the films would be irritating, but the films exist in a narrative set apart from the "core" Marvelverse anyway, and have, in my opinion, greater licence to take things in their own direction - new character concepts, tweaked powers and histories, whatever else. Nevertheless, I think that the essence of what defines X-Men was left intact - sexy people doing cool things, with a few undercurrents about adolescence and racism thrown in.
All the other stuff is just trimming, really.
I say it's time to drop the comic book nerd pretension, and realise that The Last Stand is actually a really enjoyable film that was made very well. The only problems that people usually raise concerning the X-Men films is that they break with canon - but the films never claimed to be canonical anyway, and even then the X-Men canon has looped back and forth through time so often, with characters rising, falling, and being reinvented almost constantly, that it's damned near impossible to say what is and isn't canon anyway.
So can we please lay off with the comic snobbery? A little is fine, but there's such a thing as TOO MUCH.
Post by: Gryff on 30 May 2006, 16:22
…it's not because the movie was different to the comics. The first two movies were quite different to the comics, but I still thought they were pretty enjoyable. The problem with X3 was that the script was apalling (nobody cared that Cyclops was dead, Magneto's attack on the Worthington complex was stock standard and dull), the dialogue was beyond cringeworthy ("What have I done?" "Way to go, fuzzball"), there was no character development whatsoever (Rogue disappears for ages and comes back with no powers, Angel was not even relevant. wtf?), the action scenes were okay sometimes (Kitty versus Juggernaught, Beast kicking ass) but terrible at others (the otherwise boring fight with Magneto's army of generic nobodies, Iceman and Pyro's shitty, predictable fight).
The reason that comic book geeks are getting so worked up about inconsistencies and changes is that the X-men have so many cool characters, stories and ideas, and X3 made use of none of them. Basically, the fact that such a terrible movie was made from such a cool source makes fans of the source angry.
It's not that it was different. It's that it sucked.
Post by: donovangelonardo on 30 May 2006, 16:38
Everybody seems offended by the depowering of Magneto (and probably Prof X) but hey, doesn't that sort of mirror what's happening in the comics right now? I'm not a comic snob, and haven't read X-men.... ever, but even I know the current arc includes a MASS depowering. Also, think back to X1: Magneto's first attack was to try and mass-mutate all those humans. Fitting that he should get turned into a human in the end, eh?
Final thought: Guys, if there's a Wolverine spinoff, how can Gambit NOT be in it?? Calm down, if these spinoffs happen we are going to get inundated with new characters in every movie. Remy will be there.
Post by: Gryff on 30 May 2006, 16:42
Quote from: donovangelonardo
Guys, if there's a Wolverine spinoff, how can Gambit NOT be in it??
Quite easily really, considering how much backstory Wolverine has and how little of it concerns Gambit.
Post by: Gryff on 30 May 2006, 18:14
Quote from: Spinless
The bald guy wolverine fought who kept regenerating his arms? Apparently people are saying it's Deadpool.
No way. I refuse to believe it.
On another note: in the credits was a character called "Omega Mutie". Hmm.
Post by: poeticallybored on 30 May 2006, 18:24
They also have Omega Red (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Red) listed as a character. What the hell?
Post by: Ulfednar on 31 May 2006, 01:46
Post by: Ozymandias on 31 May 2006, 11:40
Because I am soooo tired of Magneto now.
Post by: AceGun on 31 May 2006, 12:28
Like, make a two part Onslaught movie. That would be awesome.
Post by: Jedit on 31 May 2006, 14:49
Quote from: Spinless
Rapidly changing daylight aside...
Juggernaut: His mutant power is his strength. The jewel gives him complete invulnerability making him completely invincible. With the jewel he doesn't need to eat or sleep or breathe either.
Clearly he didn't have the gem in the movie.
Pedant: in the 616 universe, Juggernaut isn't a mutant at all - all his powers came from the Crimson Ruby of Cyttorak (and were gained by touching it, not by keeping it). In the Ultimate Universe, Juggernaut is a mutant and all his powers come from his mutation.
Post by: ForteBass on 01 Jun 2006, 00:47
Quote from: messeduplilkid
/End Life x 3
*rimshot*
But seriously. I enjoyed it, despite its lameness.
Also, I'm pretty much willing to forgive Halle Berry if she sleeps with me... in the Storm outfit.
Post by: Hat on 01 Jun 2006, 03:10
Quote from: AceGun
I just hope that ten years from now they choose a suitable story to end all of the Marvel movie fanchises together.
Like, make a two part Onslaught movie. That would be awesome.
But then they will just put all the good superheros in an alternate universe and make it actually pretty awesome and then just do some shitty crossover and confuse the living shit out of me.
Not cool.
Post by: AceGun on 01 Jun 2006, 07:36
Quote from: ForteBass
Also, I'm pretty much willing to forgive Halle Berry if she sleeps with me... in the Storm outfit.
Did anyone see her on Conan O'Brien? She says that she wears the costume for sex all the time. I believe my head exploded.
Post by: Jedit on 01 Jun 2006, 09:22
Quote from: AceGun
Did anyone see her on Conan O'Brien? She says that she wears the costume for sex all the time. I believe my head exploded.
Say what you will about Halle Berry's acting, but the woman does have a wicked and self-deprecating sense of humour. For that I like her.
Post by: Ozymandias on 01 Jun 2006, 10:27
Post by: Electric Monk on 01 Jun 2006, 10:31
Post by: Jedit on 01 Jun 2006, 11:44
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She actually showed up to accept her Raspberry Award for Catwoman. Halle Berry is aces in my book just for that.
She not only showed up, she also parodied her ... fulsome Oscar-winning speech.
Electric Monk: Berry's Oscar was no fluke. She just didn't get it for acting, is all.
Post by: Tergon on 01 Jun 2006, 16:10
Now, I'm not much of a comic geek... I've seen some of the X-Men cartoons and whatnot, but I don't own a single comic. But even I know that a lot of this stuff is wrong.
Quote
The Toad's strength has increased slightly over the years. It has been written that he is able to lift one ton with his arms and press three tons with his legs. Toad also has a very flexible spine, allowing him to remain in a crouching position comfortably for hours, though he can stand if he wishes. He also has gained the ability to extend his tongue great distances and ensnare objects and people. He is also able to spit a caustic phlegmatic substance. These last two abilities were invented in the movie, but the comic writers liked the traits so much they decided to write them into the character in the comics as well, when he was enhanced by the Stranger's equipment.
I mean, honestly. Even with my miniscule knowledge of X-Men, I know that this is wrong. "Invented in the movie"?
I think this is one of the biggest problems with the movies that X-Men fans have. A lot of people watch the movie and accept it as real canon, which it's not.
Of course I just always thought Toad was kinda cool, so. Y'know.
Post by: poeticallybored on 01 Jun 2006, 17:13
Post by: AceGun on 02 Jun 2006, 07:56
there are quite a few other design things that they took from the movies and used in the comics.
Post by: Sythe on 02 Jun 2006, 13:36
Where the hell was Gambit?! I've been promised Gambit for two movies now, and I'm getting pissed.
I know its been said repeatedly already, but Cyclops getting dead off-camera is not cool to the power of ><DONGZ>.
Post by: LiterSize on 02 Jun 2006, 14:00
Post by: Jedit on 03 Jun 2006, 03:09
Quote from: Spinless
Gambit had a small action cameo in x2 that was cut.
Not that I've ever heard. He does, however, get namechecked in the mutant database.
Post by: Jedit on 03 Jun 2006, 09:11
Quote from: Spinless
James Bamford had his cameo as Gambit filmed, but it was never shown.
I'll take your word for it.
Incidentally - given the prevailing negative opinion towards this movie, could we get the thread retitled "HELLA SPOILERS, AND SHIT"? :)
Post by: Mnementh on 03 Jun 2006, 22:34
Also, this so made it for me:
"Don't you know who I am, I'm the juggernaut, bitch."
Post by: ForteBass on 03 Jun 2006, 23:15
Post by: Kai on 04 Jun 2006, 07:03
Quote from: Mnementh
Also, this so made it for me:
"Don't you know who I am, I'm the juggernaut, bitch."
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3934651591022114445&q=The+Juggernaut%2C+Bitch
Post by: Mnementh on 04 Jun 2006, 08:46
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Post by: Sanitycult on 04 Jun 2006, 15:37
That said: Marrow is not a man. The fuck is nightcrawler? and give us gambit, damnit!
Post by: Ozymandias on 04 Jun 2006, 16:35
According to the credits, it was Kid Omega.
Big ol' WTF?
Post by: poeticallybored on 04 Jun 2006, 18:59
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That wasn't Quill.
According to the credits, it was Kid Omega.
Big ol' WTF?
Quote from: poeticallybored
IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0376994/fullcredits) has the guy who played Quill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quill_%28comics%29#Other_media) as "Kid Omega." Kid Omega (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_Omega) is way different. And on the quotes page, they have him named as Spike (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_%28Marvel_Comics%29), though Spike was the guy who was throwing the bone-like spikes at Wolverine in the forest.
Post by: Merkava on 04 Jun 2006, 19:31
Quote from: Spinless
I'm confident they would!
On Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool: He'd make it just as goofy as the comics, I'm sure he could fake the perfect 'Grovelly Demi-moore' voice.
All he needs is a ton of prosthetic ugly.
They'd better break the fourth wall at least one if they do this...
What about the fat suit from Just Friends.
[/does not know who Deadpool is but thinks that the idea is funny anyway]
Post by: Electric Monk on 05 Jun 2006, 12:21
Quote from: Merkava
Quote from: SpinlessI'm confident they would!
On Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool: He'd make it just as goofy as the comics, I'm sure he could fake the perfect 'Grovelly Demi-moore' voice.
All he needs is a ton of prosthetic ugly.
They'd better break the fourth wall at least one if they do this...
What about the fat suit from Just Friends.
[/does not know who Deadpool is but thinks that the idea is funny anyway]
Deadpool is the coolest self-referential superhero this side of She-Hulk.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/DeadpoolYellowBoxes.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadpool
Post by: Rizzo on 06 Jun 2006, 06:24
Sure it wasn't brilliant and it was no where as good as the first two but it wasn't as bad as a lot of you are making out (imo).
The acting was hammy, the plot weak and the character development mediocre but to be honest I didn't expect more than that.
It had cool effects and some cool characters.
P.s. Why does everyone love Gambit so much? I think he fucking sucks but that's just me.
Post by: sketchyjoe on 06 Jun 2006, 08:14
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Damn straight.
Kitty Pride was hot.
I enjoyed the film. I liked the fact they got rid of Cyclops as he sucked. Vinnie Jones was typically awful though.
Post by: quietnow on 06 Jun 2006, 11:05
plus i wanted to see psylocke. =(
Post by: Houdinimachine on 06 Jun 2006, 11:08
Post by: poeticallybored on 06 Jun 2006, 12:18
Post by: AceGun on 06 Jun 2006, 12:45
Quote from: Rizzo
P.s. Why does everyone love Gambit so much? I think he fucking sucks but that's just me.
He still makes for one cool looking Death.
![]("http://www.mutanthigh.com/coppermine/albums/xmen/185.jpg")
Post by: quietnow on 06 Jun 2006, 13:54
Quote from: poeticallybored
Psylocke was the girl in the Brotherhood with the purple hair.
no she wasn't, that was arclight.
Post by: quietnow on 06 Jun 2006, 14:47
then in the battle, i thought magneto called her arclight, but maybe it was the one that looked more masculine and i just mixed them up. hooray.
Post by: poeticallybored on 06 Jun 2006, 18:08
Arclight, Callisto, Psylocke
Post by: quietnow on 06 Jun 2006, 22:09
still. her jugs aren't big enough.
Post by: Rizzo on 06 Jun 2006, 23:49
Quote from: Spinless
Gambit d'onna suck mon ami! You suck, kay now friend?
Rubbish. He's arse.
Also, how did Quil(the guy who had spikey skin) get tattoos? Obviously he has some sort of extreme healing factor so that he doesn't die of shock/massive external trauma every time the spikes go out. Therefore how did a tattooist manage to get ink into him?
The badguys in this movie were a bit crap now I think of it.
Post by: Jedit on 07 Jun 2006, 03:55
Quote from: quietnow
her jugs aren't big enough.
Unfortunately, they have to resort to using real people to make live action movies. This makes accurately depicting most comic characters rather tricky.
Post by: Phrozen on 07 Jun 2006, 10:52
Post by: AceGun on 07 Jun 2006, 11:13
Post by: ElRodente on 07 Jun 2006, 12:58
i really hate it if i think about it. but it was entertaining
and fuck yeah kitty Pryde is hot
i hate that psylocke had nothing to do
why didn't colossus have ANY development? i mean, less than anyone else. He ended up a major part of the team, there was a fastball special (YES) yet all we see of him is that he turns into metal and carries big screen TVs
EDIT: THE ENTIRE MAGNETO MOVIE SHOULD BE LIKE SON OF M
Post by: AceGun on 07 Jun 2006, 13:50
Post by: donovangelonardo on 07 Jun 2006, 14:31
Post by: ElRodente on 07 Jun 2006, 14:40
my point is, if you're not going to develop him AT ALL, why have him as a major part of the film? exactly the same with angel, had 3 scenes and that was it.
plus he's supposed to have a pretty complex relationship with shadowcat.
edit: plus he is MADE OF RAGE
Post by: AceGun on 07 Jun 2006, 14:48
I really want to scream obscenities at you right now, but instead I'll merely point out that Colossus is an incredibly interesting character. He is in no way a typical strongman hero. When his sister was killed he actually left the X-Men and joined Magneto's Acolytes up until their disbanding, but his reasons were not what many would assume. He had merely abandoned hope for a better world and attempted to find an escape on Asteroid M. He really didn't want to fight for either side of the battle. It wasn't until he decided to sacrifice his life in order to save the world from the Legacy Virus that, in my opinion, he regained his hope for helping the world.
Joss Whedon agrees with me, that's why he brought back Colossus early in Astonishing X-Men. His treatment of Colossus' character and his relationship with Kitty is truly amazing.
Colossus is one of my favorite characters and did deserve more development in the movie, had the movie not already been filled with too many subplots.
Post by: Gryff on 07 Jun 2006, 15:34
A shame, really, because I think Colossus is pretty cool. I like that they made him gay (and kind of quiet and lonely) in the Ultimate universe.
Post by: donovangelonardo on 07 Jun 2006, 22:27
I didn't mean to raise a fuss. Tin-comrade is cool by me.
Post by: neomang5 on 08 Jun 2006, 13:11
1. PROFESSOR X DID NOT DIE. He survived the phoenix storyline and remained important in coming arcs. I realize the need to make him seem powerless, but death was unnecessary. Also, how would one use their powers post-mortem (re: transferring oneself to another body)?
2. WOLVERINE DID NOT KILL JEAN. SHE COMMITTED SUICIDE.
3. SCOTT LIVED. As much as I didnt like Cyclops in the movies, he did survive, and only moved on after Jean's death because she told him to.
4. WHY THE HELL WERE ANGEL, BEAST, COLOSSUS, AND JUGGERNAUT BASICALLY IGNORED?
5. JUGGERNAUT AND XAVIER MET BUT HAD NO REACTION. SORRY, WRONG.
6. PHOENIX WAS A SEPERATE ENTITY. It was a clone of Jean, formed in the same healing cocoon that later revived the real Jean. Also, when phoenix was using its powers, there was never a phoenix-esque shillouette like in the comics, which was a key characteristic imo.
7. MAGNETO VALUED MUTANT LIFE OVER HUMAN. He wouldnt send all those mutants to be depowered. He very well may have left Mystique behind after she was shot, but knowing the danger, he wouldn't sacrifice a mutant life. He is not some elitist, power-loving mastermind.
If they are bringing Prof. X back, the next one could be Onslaught. I hope it will turn out as it should, rather than as some dumbed-down tripe like this one.
Post by: Jedit on 08 Jun 2006, 14:23
Quote from: neomang5
JUGGERNAUT AND XAVIER MET BUT HAD NO REACTION. SORRY, WRONG.
Sorry, right. In your fit of obsessive fanboy geekery, you've forgotten that the movies are more closely based on Ultimate continuity. In that continuity, Cain Marko is no relation to Charles Xavier.
Besides, the "ZOMG Juggernaut is my stepbrother!" thing was one of the many crappy retcons foisted on X-Men during the Completely Shitty Writing years. Bitching about it not being there is like bitching about how Han fires first in the original cut of Star Wars.
Post by: ForteBass on 08 Jun 2006, 15:08
Post by: Lines on 08 Jun 2006, 19:07
or maybe that was meant for nick... oops!
Post by: KharBevNor on 08 Jun 2006, 20:14
Quote from: Jedit
Sorry, right. In your fit of obsessive fanboy geekery, you've forgotten that the movies are more closely based on Ultimate continuity. In that continuity, Cain Marko is no relation to Charles Xavier.
I thought all the Marvel films were based on Ultimate continuity. Wasn't that the main reason everyone thought Ultimate was going to become the main continuity rather than Earth 161?
Post by: Gryff on 08 Jun 2006, 21:06
Post by: poeticallybored on 09 Jun 2006, 06:46
I forget who said it on here, but I like the idea of the movies being their own fucked up continuity (though that still doesn't excuse all of the movie's pretty high suckfactor).
Post by: Phrozen on 09 Jun 2006, 10:41
I started reading the Cable and Deadpool comics. I love them.
Thank you. Now back to your regularly scheduled bitching.
/Endthreadjack
Post by: neomang5 on 10 Jun 2006, 11:33
Quote from: Jedit
Sorry, right. In your fit of obsessive fanboy geekery, you've forgotten that the movies are more closely based on Ultimate continuity. In that continuity, Cain Marko is no relation to Charles Xavier.
Besides, the "ZOMG Juggernaut is my stepbrother!" thing was one of the many crappy retcons foisted on X-Men during the Completely Shitty Writing years. Bitching about it not being there is like bitching about how Han fires first in the original cut of Star Wars.
Personal jab aside, I haven't read the Ultimate series for more than a few books, so I was unaware of that. I was assuming that a story about the Phoenix would be based in the universe in which the Phoenix story actually took place. My mistake.
Also, I dont think the jugg/xavier relationship was crappy. I like the idea that the hulking brute is related, though reluctantly, to the crippled mind master. Also, to be honest, i dont give a shit about who fired first in star wars. The comparing my complaint to a timing issue is just a bad analogy.
Post by: Chesire Cat on 10 Jun 2006, 11:53
Quote from: Jedit
Bitching about it not being there is like bitching about how Han fires first in the original cut of Star Wars.
Care to extrapolate? Fired first on what, when where why how etc.
Post by: donovangelonardo on 10 Jun 2006, 12:58
Quote from: Chesire Cat
Care to extrapolate? Fired first on what, when where why how etc.
Fired on YOUR MOM!!
Sorry, I shouldn't have done that. Your-mom jokes are my great weakness.
He's referring to a debate concerning whether Han Solo fired his blaster first at Greedo or whether it was the other way around in Star Wars IV (A New Hope, the original). Or wait, were you being sarcastic? In that case you deserved the your-mom joke.
Post by: ForteBass on 10 Jun 2006, 21:35
Post by: KharBevNor on 11 Jun 2006, 07:16
Post by: AceGun on 12 Jun 2006, 08:58
Post by: Luke C on 17 Jun 2006, 10:47
Post by: _ on 18 Jun 2006, 05:39
Quote from: Spinless
What can you guys tell me about Xmen 2099? Wikipedia has NOTHING.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Men_2099
Quote from: poetically bored
It's Earth 616, I think, not 161.
616 is correct. Thank you, Alan Moore.
In related news, this film was absolute gargbage, both from a film buff standpoint and a comic fan standpoint. I think the only mindset it could possibly be enjoyed in is the 'OOOH EXPLOSIONS AND PUNCHING, KEEN' frame of mind.
Post by: KharBevNor on 18 Jun 2006, 06:57
Post by: AJTaliesen on 22 Jul 2006, 13:53
Quote from: AceGun
do you remember that video that the professor showed to his class? and he talked about doing something that may or may not be ethical? yah, he did that. So basically, Moira comes to check the status of the coma patient, and then he starts to talk in Xavier's voice. she says "Charles?" and then it's over.
I remember the video...I don't remember who moira is...nor do I remember a coma patient.
Is there a way to explain this further to me? (not gonna go see it again and don't feel like waiting for dvd).
Post by: JLM on 22 Jul 2006, 15:10
It's implied that Xavier, using his ginormous super mutant brain, transferred his consciousness to her braindead patient.
Quote from: jedit
Besides, the "ZOMG Juggernaut is my stepbrother!" thing was one of the many crappy retcons foisted on X-Men during the Completely Shitty Writing years
Really? Because I've read issues 12 & 13 of the Uncanny X-Men, and Lee & Kirby made pretty sure that that was a major point of the story. So are we referring to the first year of the existence of X-Men as "The Crappy Writing Years" now?
/SUPERGEEK MODE
Post by: AJTaliesen on 23 Jul 2006, 08:26
Oh well. Not gonna look up comics to explain movie.
Weak that they did this at all. Extra weak for putting it at the end of the credits. Stop trying to make us sit through your 49857574636 page list of who give s a crap who worked on this movie.
I give the movie a D. I don't care about your damn comic books, never did, nor do most people who watch allot of these movies. The first two were good movies, I enjoyed them. This was fluffy garbage for the most part. Worth a couple bucks and a bag of popcorn, but I'm done with X-men and spin offs I think.
I'd give it another try if they brought back Singer, or Joss Whedon.
Post by: Johnny C on 23 Jul 2006, 11:16
Quote from: Jedit
continuity
May I?
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Continuity hurts my reptillian brain. And why is there debate over a self-contained movie trilogy's continuity?
Post by: Lines on 24 Jul 2006, 11:09