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Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 25 Jun 2006, 11:06
Link to the QC Battle Of Teh Bands page is here (http://www.questionablewiki.com/index.php/Battle_of_teh_bands).  Please read the rules before voting!
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Storm Rider on 25 Jun 2006, 12:13
We've realized it's pointless to fight against the endless tide of hipsterism.

More importantly, how the fuck does Incubus have 3 votes when Iron Maiden is stuck at two? INJUSTICE
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 25 Jun 2006, 15:02
The situation is fluid.

The following votes need timestamps:

Kai: King Crimson, Fugazi
Storm Rider: King Crimson, Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention

Don't worry about the timestamp being inaccurate; just as long as it's before the Round 1 deadline, the vote is still counted.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 25 Jun 2006, 15:15
I did mine.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: E. Spaceman on 25 Jun 2006, 17:04
It's currently a tie between Arcade Fire and Pixies, but Bob Dylan is catching on fast.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: thelightguy on 25 Jun 2006, 20:12
Unoffical Standings as of 11:10 PM EST, June 25.

1   8 Arcade Fire
2   8 Pixies
3   7 Bob Dylan
4   6 Broken Social Scene
5   6 Godspeed You! Black Emperor
6   6 Joy Division
7   6 Neutral Milk Hotel
8   6 Radiohead
9   5 Dead Kennedys
10   5 The Doors
11   5 The Flaming Lips
12   5 Fugazi
13   5 Architecture in Helsinki
14   5 The Smiths
15   4 Incubus
16   4 Black Sabbath
17   4 the Avalanches
18   4 Led Zeppelin
19   4 Mogwai
20   4 My Bloody Valentine
21   4 Belle and Sebastian
22   4 Elliott Smith
23   4  Dead Can Dance
24   4 Rilo Kiley
25   4 The Decemberists
26   4 Sonic Youth
27   4 Stars
28   4 Sufjan Stevens
29   4 The Velvet Underground
30   4 Wilco

And now the threes... there are alot.

31   3 The American Analog Set
32   3 Bright Eyes
33   3 Cat Power
34   3 De La Soul
35   3 DJ Shadow
36   3 H・ker D・
37   3 Iron & Wine
38   3 Jimi Hendrix
39   3 Johnny Cash
40   3 King Crimson
41   3 Metric
42   3 Modest Mouse
43   3 Queen
44   3 R.E.M
45   3 Skyclad
46   3 Sleater-Kinney:
47   3 Wolf Parade
48   3 Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention

--Nick
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 25 Jun 2006, 21:51
Come on guys! Zappa at least has to make it to the second fucking round.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Storm Rider on 25 Jun 2006, 21:55
Zappa IS making it to the second round.

I'll vote for his solo if I HAVE to, but it's kind of unnecessary if the Mothers are going too.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: E. Spaceman on 25 Jun 2006, 22:01
but it would be awesome if the Final was Zappa and The Mothers VS Zappa solo.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Willem on 26 Jun 2006, 03:19
why was my wiki input deleted?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 26 Jun 2006, 06:09
Quote from: Willem
why was my wiki input deleted?


I don't see your input in the history page, Willem, so it looks like for some reason your edit was never posted.  Why don't you try voting again?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Willem on 26 Jun 2006, 06:26
weird, i was sure i did everything correct. oh well, voted again.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Misereatur on 26 Jun 2006, 06:29
edit: fix'd, votes are in.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Luke on 26 Jun 2006, 13:51
12. Arcade Fire
11. Radiohead
11. Daft Punk
9. Pixies
8. Joy Division
8. Broken Social Scene
8. The Smiths
7. Modest Mouse
7. Led Zeppelin
7. Bob Dylan
7. Godspeed You! Black Emperor
7. Architecture in Helsinki
7. The Doors
6. Black Sabbath
6. Fugazi
6. Neutral Milk Hotel
6. Wilco
6. Dead Kennedys
6. Nirvana
6. Stars
6. The Decemberists
6. The Flaming Lips
5. The Avalanches
5. Wolf Parade
5. Incubus
5. My Bloody Valentine
5. The White Stripes
5. Elliot Smith
5. The Velvet Underground
5. Dead Can Dance
5. Jimi Hendrix
5. Depeche Mode
5. Johnny Cash
5. Sufjan Stevens
5. Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
5. Soundgarden
5. The Beatles
5. Sonic Youth
5. Belle and Sebastian


This is 39 bands instead of 32, so I guess the point is that nobody with fewer than five votes is moving on at this point.

Also, I'm so tempted to add Coldplay (not that I think they'd get anywhere but y'know) but I won't.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Luke on 26 Jun 2006, 13:54
Also guys, be sure to check the page again after you've already voted, because there might be new bands on the list that you didn't see or weren't there before.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 26 Jun 2006, 14:33
Based on input from various persons, I propose we make the following changes to Round 2 and beyond:

Seed the top 16 bands and bracket them against the bottom 16 chosen randomly.  If multiple bands are tied for the bottom 16, choose randomly among them.

The winner of each band vs. band matchup will be the one with the most votes.  Everyone can vote once in each matchup.  

 The brackets would look like this:



Sorry about the width.

Also, change Round 3 through Finals to 3 days a piece rather than a week.  Since 8 or less votes will be cast each round, a week seems excessive.

Objections?  Comments?  Assuming people are generally ok with these changes, I'll make them to the wiki site late tonight.  The bracketed/seeded rounds are going to make this a lot more fun and dynamic than the one vote/per band/per round that I suggested initially.  For one thing, band vs. band matchups are going to be fun, and for another, more votes will be cast by each voter.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 26 Jun 2006, 14:38
See, this is what it should've looked like BEFORE Kyuss got eliminated, because they can blow 50% of the bands on the current list completely out of the water.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 26 Jun 2006, 14:40
Nothing is eliminated yet.  Still 3 days to nominate and vote for any band you want.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 26 Jun 2006, 14:51
Shit, Kyuss is up there and I missed it all this time? fuck. I am totally going blind.



Voted.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: OpenJamie on 26 Jun 2006, 16:38
The first round of the knockck out looks fairly huge would it be easier to do it in two halfs, each with a 3 day opening or is that just a pointless extention of the time needed?

I'm not bothered either way to be honest just making sure that it wont get confusing on the wiki page with loads of matchups ?

Also how are we going to choose which artists progress if 25 have the same number of points with only 5 spaces left to fill?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 26 Jun 2006, 16:51
I think a week to vote for 16 matchups in Round 2 is sufficient.  There are really two ways to handle your second question, how to determine who is included if multiple teams are tied for 32nd place with equal votes.

The first to randomly select teams.

The second is to include tied teams in 3 band brackets in Round 2.  

I'm more inclined to randomly select teams since that's easier, but if enough people want to have 3 band brackets, then I will do that instead.

Incidentally, a similar situation will arise if, in any given bracket, both teams are tied.  In this situation, I definitely think that both bands should progress to the next round for a three team (or possibly four team -- if both brackets end up tied) round.  Where there is a three team bracket, I envision each voter casting one vote for each of the three teams.

Thoughts?

EDIT: With regard to the wiki page getting confusing, I'm not anticipating any problems.  The scoreboard will be at the top, and Round 2 would look like this:

BATTLE #1

[1st Seed] vs. [Random]

Voting for [1st Seed]:

Voting for [Random]:

BATTLE #2

[15th Seed] vs. [Random]

Voting for [15th Seed]:

Voting for [Random]:

etc.

Each Battle will be a section heading, so hyperlinks to each battle will be available at the top of the wiki page.

EDIT2: I'm going to pull random numbers off the www.random.org generator to determine matchups and which teams are included in the case of a tie for the bottom rungs.  I'll provide screenshots of the random number generation on request to keep the process transparent.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Skibas_clavicle on 26 Jun 2006, 17:08
I'd like to be an asshole and point out that Elliott Smith's name is spelt like this. Not with one t. This thread's driving me mad for this very reason.

KTHXBYE - LOVE JULIA.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 26 Jun 2006, 17:13
Elliott says:



Thank-you Julia, it was driving me crazy too.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Storm Rider on 26 Jun 2006, 22:04
Quote from: onewheelwizzard
See, this is what it should've looked like BEFORE Iron Maiden got eliminated, because they can blow 100% of the bands on the current list completely out of the water.


Fixed.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 27 Jun 2006, 01:16
Seeding and bracketing is now on the page.  I tried to keep the instructions as simple as possible so that this didn't start to become boring work.   Please pose questions and comments here or on the discussion page.

Also I kept Rounds 2 and 3 at one week a piece, and reduced future rounds to 3 days.  This means that at least 2 days of Round 2 will not fall on an extended July 4 weekend so that Yanks can get their Coldplay votes in.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 29 Jun 2006, 07:43
Battle of teh bands update Thursday, June 29th, 10:40am EDT

Voting for Round 1 ends tonight at 11:59pm EDT.  Get your final votes in!
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 29 Jun 2006, 08:27
Dude, if 'Trane is fair game, then you better be putting out for Ella and Billie.  Whom I just added.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 29 Jun 2006, 09:40
That was supposed to have read "Lady Day".  My bad.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Joseph on 29 Jun 2006, 10:49
Vote for the Cocteau Twins!  And My Bloody Valentine, who should totally be beating a bunch of those 6 voted folks.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Cartilage Head on 29 Jun 2006, 12:57
You know what sucks? I wanted to vote for the Dresden Dolls,but I couldn't figure out how to properly add my name to the list.

 HMPH.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 29 Jun 2006, 13:53
I entered your vote for you.  For future reference, click edit, then make a space under the last entry and type "#~~~~".
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: JJMitchell on 29 Jun 2006, 13:55
If you are registered just click edit on the right of the bands name and add this to the list:

#~~~~

edit: moiche beat me to it
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: E. Spaceman on 29 Jun 2006, 18:35
Vote for Thelonious Monk, come on people!
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Cartilage Head on 29 Jun 2006, 19:16
Hm. I've been registered to the Wiki,but could not quite figure that out! Thanks,guy!
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 29 Jun 2006, 22:27
Round 2 has begun!
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: E. Spaceman on 29 Jun 2006, 22:33
Battle #2: Jimi Hendrix(15s) vs. Led Zeppelin

Battle #6: Godspeed You! Black Emperor(1s) vs. Frank Zappa Solo

Battle #14: The Smiths (8s) vs. Fugazi

OH FUCK YOU!!!!!!!! (this is with tongue firmly in cheek)
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 29 Jun 2006, 22:36
I am totally expecting things to get violent.  I won't be voting this round forward because I don't want my impartiality questioned.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: E. Spaceman on 29 Jun 2006, 22:38
Actually, I'm abstaining from voting in #5 #8 and #14, I am a coward.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: E. Spaceman on 29 Jun 2006, 23:28
The Smiths have a special place in my heart, thant prevents subjectivity.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Misereatur on 30 Jun 2006, 02:54
GY!BE Vs. Frank Zappa solo?

The Smiths Vs. Fugazi??

Jimi Hendrix Vs. Led Zeppalin???

John Coltrane Vs. Black Sabbath????


Its like choosing which one of your children dies.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Willem on 30 Jun 2006, 04:52
#2 and #13 are so unfair...
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 30 Jun 2006, 06:38
Coltrane Vs. Sabbath?



You are a terrible terrible person. Now I have to choose.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 30 Jun 2006, 08:20
Bwhahaha, Wilco is getting reamed.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Microfilm on 30 Jun 2006, 10:44
Oh dear. Radiohead vs. The Decemberists is extremely unfair since a large percentage of the world looks very highly at Radiohead.

Nonetheless, my vote went to The Decemberists because I love them. I won't say more, lest I start some sort of eFight.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 30 Jun 2006, 10:46
It should be noted that the point of the seeding/bracketing was to maximize the unfairness in Round 2 and save the drama for later rounds.  Still, looks like there will be a few upsets.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Storm Rider on 30 Jun 2006, 12:36
As I mentioned on the discussion page, I voted for the Decemberists because I hate Radiohead, not because I really give a damn about their own merits.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Joseph on 30 Jun 2006, 19:40
I'd like to apologize to Kraftwerk, since I haven't listened to them enough to give them my vote.

  Wow, Sonic Youth are getting kicked out of this sooner than I would've thought.  Sucks that they were placed against the Beatles.  Same with Wilco and Bob Dylan.

  But, just to buck the trend, The Arcade Fire beating the Doors?  WHY?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: jcknbl on 02 Jul 2006, 16:01
Then you should be educating yourself now! Comeone people, Daft Punk would NOT EXIST if not for Kraftwerk. I love Daft Punk- LOVE them but still: its got to be Kraftwerk.

You can limewire a lot of their music and I'd be happy to post mp3s if people don't feel like they've heard enough to vote for them.

Kraftwerk is only behind 7-10- they're still in it!
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 02 Jul 2006, 17:12
Dark Flame, rest assured, there is Kraftwerk on that mix cd and YOU WILL ENJOY IT SO VOTE KRAFTWERK SRSLY
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: KharBevNor on 02 Jul 2006, 17:19
Quote from: jcknbl
Then you should be educating yourself now! Comeone people, Daft Punk would NOT EXIST if not for Kraftwerk. I love Daft Punk- LOVE them but still: its got to be Kraftwerk.

You can limewire a lot of their music and I'd be happy to post mp3s if people don't feel like they've heard enough to vote for them.

Kraftwerk is only behind 7-10- they're still in it!


The video to 'The Robots' underlines this point very, very, very heavily.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: jcknbl on 02 Jul 2006, 18:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4VBMSVDRdM&search=Kraftwerk


a'hem
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 05 Jul 2006, 09:26
Voting in Round 2 will end (edit: tomorrow night) at 12:00am EDT.

Please note, if you don't hit the edit button before 12:00am EDT (edit: tomorrow night), your vote will not be counted, even if the time stamp gives a time prior to 12:00am EDT.  We've got a few battles going down to the wire, so this should be entertaining.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: ASturge on 05 Jul 2006, 14:29
It's depressing that our special battle of the bands is going to end in pretty much the same way as the shitty "best 100 bands EVAR" Channel 4 TV shows...

I was hoping it'd be like

"So, the official best band ever, according the QC forums is.... 'Obscure Pinewoood Band of mishmashed Ironies: The Band' "
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 05 Jul 2006, 14:48
Let this be a lesson to you all: we as a group are not that special.  Of course, what if Tommy's posting of the trends galvanizes people to vote for the more "obscure" bands remaining?  What if that was Tommy's plan all along?

Tommy, I've got Karl Rove on the phone -- he says he could use a man like you.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 05 Jul 2006, 16:46
Because they actually released more than two albums?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 05 Jul 2006, 18:26
I'm thinking the Beatles would pull ahead of Led Zeppelin.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: E. Spaceman on 05 Jul 2006, 18:38
they should.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: jcknbl on 05 Jul 2006, 20:08
We should do a "Best Band Going" battle. The goal would be to judge bands based on the material they're presently producing.

For a band to be nominated they must:

-presently touring or recording
-have put out an album in the last 4 years

The bands should only be judged on their recent albums and present touring act.

Something like that would get rid of all the usual acts that dominate these and open the door for a ton of random bands.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: sjbrot on 06 Jul 2006, 01:20
Quote from: jcknbl
Then you should be educating yourself now! Comeone people, Daft Punk would NOT EXIST if not for Kraftwerk. I love Daft Punk- LOVE them but still: its got to be Kraftwerk.


True, but with that kind of arguement, you could also say that we should be voting for Paul McCartney's grandaddy. I'm sure he wasn't a terrible guy, but just because he was the cause for much good music in the future doesn't mean he should be recognized as the best.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: jcknbl on 06 Jul 2006, 01:28
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g200/Jcknbl/102104strawmanclimbing.jpg)
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: sjbrot on 06 Jul 2006, 01:30
I stand corrected.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Johnny C on 06 Jul 2006, 01:43
Quote from: KharBevNor
Quote from: jcknbl
I love Kraftwerk- LOVE them but still: its got to be Daft Punk.

The videos on the Palm Directors Label DVDs underline this quite heavily.

fix'd

Also, jcknbl: please enjoy this piping hot WTF-Pie I've baked for you, and while we savour it please tell me all about your confusing picture.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: jcknbl on 06 Jul 2006, 01:56
I thought it was pretty obvious I wasn't talking about causality in that post. I'm talking about how the cultural and musical inovations of Kraftwerk are a very significant part of DP's act. This means two things

First, you can't get out of voting for Kraftwerk by just saying that you like Daft Punk's style or aesthetic better because Daft Punk GOT their aesthetic and style FROM Kraftwerk. So not only are those not unique reasons to vote for Daft Punk, they're actually good reasons to vote for Kraftwerk; Kraftwerk gets credit for some of Daft Punk's coolness.

Second, this fact pretty clearly demonstrates how much more important and influential Kraftwerk is. That Daft Punk was so influenced by Kraftwerk just underscores this point. Like if I you were to compose this really sweet song- and I came a long and made a few production changes and after I was done the song was better you wouldn't then say that I'm the better musician.

Hell, Daft Punk takes a lot of their stuff from samples anyway. http://www.stylehiphop.com/funk-type-house_fr.html

The originality battle isn't even close.




Edit: The picture. Its a man. Made out of straw,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 06 Jul 2006, 07:28
Only when you come to terms with the fact that everyone participating is working off their own definition of "best band" can you approach buddha-nature.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 06 Jul 2006, 07:44
So you guys get Big Love all the way out there in Great Britain, huh?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Houdinimachine on 06 Jul 2006, 08:48
Don't even get me started on Gallo. As an actual film student, I am ashamed to say that man calls himself a film maker let alone an artist.

I still watched The Brown Bunny for Chloe though.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Houdinimachine on 06 Jul 2006, 08:55
Buffalo '66 was decent. It wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be, but I stand by Ebert's original assessment of The Brown Bunny though.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Spinless on 06 Jul 2006, 09:19
Quote from: Moiche
So you guys get Big Love all the way out there in Great Britain, huh?


Starts soon apparently. I saw an ad for it.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 06 Jul 2006, 12:37
Please note that I'm seeing at least one person who is voting on QCWiki under a name that has never posted on the QC forums.  Unless these persons have registered under a different name for QCWiki for some reason, I won't be counting their votes at days end.  My concern is obviously ballot stuffing.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: sjbrot on 06 Jul 2006, 21:02
Quote from: Houdinimachine
Buffalo '66 was decent. It wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be, but I stand by Ebert's original assessment of The Brown Bunny though.


Better watch out, or else Gallo will curse you with cancer as well.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 06 Jul 2006, 21:58
ROUND 3 HAS BEGUN
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: jcknbl on 06 Jul 2006, 23:49
These pairings are intense. I'm gonna hold off on voting for a lot of them- Zeppelin, Radiohead, Dylan and the Beatles could have very well ended up as the final four if the brackets had worked out differently- I have no idea how to vote.

Also, what standard do you use to compare Coltane and the Pixies?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: KharBevNor on 06 Jul 2006, 23:54
The Verner-Herschelstein awesomosity differential of course!

*rolls eyes*
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Johnny C on 06 Jul 2006, 23:55
The standard where you don't compare, you just decide which one you like more.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: E. Spaceman on 06 Jul 2006, 23:56
I use the same as with any other pairing.
Fuck bands they influenced, originality, ideology or anything other than "which would I rather listen to?" by which Pixies wins by a slight margin.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Houdinimachine on 07 Jul 2006, 00:55
Oh god, my brain is weeping after choosing Dylan over the Beatles...

I just love Dylan's best over the Beatles' best. Such a hard choice.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: KharBevNor on 07 Jul 2006, 01:56
Yeah, I had to make the same choice. Their bad stuff balances each other out (The Beatles early cliche pop albums vs Dylans later 'hey I found Jesus!' stuff) but I think Dylan at his best is just a bit better than the Beatles.

Hardest choice for me personally was The Smiths vs Joy Division.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Endust on 07 Jul 2006, 04:13
Kraftwerk? What tge hell?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 07 Jul 2006, 10:51
What about Kraftwerk?



I had to go with The Beatles, just because Abbey Road is literally my favorite album of ALL TIMEZ
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 07 Jul 2006, 11:15
Quote from: KharBevNor
The Verner-Herschelstein awesomosity differential of course!

*rolls eyes*


Is the verner-herchelstein awesomosity differential the one where you name hamsters after each member in each band, train the hamsters in a variety of armed and un-armed combat, then make them fight in an arena filled with deadly traps, wherein the last hamster standing will determine the best band?  If so, that is totally the differential that I would use.

Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Jedit on 07 Jul 2006, 13:06
Beatles vs Dylan.  Doors vs Velvet Underground.  Joy Division vs The Smiths.  Radiohead vs ... nothing much in their half of the draw.

Am I the only person screaming "BULLSHIT GODDAMN FIX!!!!" at this point?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Johnny C on 11 Jul 2006, 01:01
Shit, wait, guys. Is there a battle of the bands going on now? How'd we miss this?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 11 Jul 2006, 06:18
. . . Are you serious?  It's been going on for like 2 weeks.  Link is at the top of this thread.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Houdinimachine on 11 Jul 2006, 11:33
There are three ways this will end up.

Beatles vs. Radiohead
Beatles vs. Neutral Milk Hotel
Beatles vs. Johnny Cash

There's no way the Beatles get beat from the look of things. The Pixies are the best bet to beat them. I still can't believe John Coltrane is being trounced so soundly by them.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Johnny C on 11 Jul 2006, 11:34
Quote from: Moiche
. . . Are you serious?

I know. This has been overshadowed by the drama going on in the I Like Fish forum.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: greenMonkey on 11 Jul 2006, 14:44
I just wanted to post how disappointed I am in all you for voting for Pixies instead of John Coltrane.  Pixies are great...but JOHN FUCKING COLTRANE PEOPLE!
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Jedit on 11 Jul 2006, 16:38
Quote from: greenMonkey
I just wanted to post how disappointed I am in all you for voting for Pixies instead of John Coltrane.  Pixies are great...but JOHN FUCKING COLTRANE PEOPLE!


Indeed.  Where are our minds?

(Answer: not liking Coltrane so much, is where.  Frank Black is da man.)
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Houdinimachine on 11 Jul 2006, 18:01
Jazz legend or... uhh did I mention JAZZ LEGEND?

Ken Burns is scowling at all of you right now.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Jedit on 12 Jul 2006, 02:15
Quote from: Houdinimachine
Jazz legend or... uhh did I mention JAZZ LEGEND?


Since when did liking jazz become compulsory?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: greenMonkey on 12 Jul 2006, 09:03
Its not.  I just simply think John Coltrane is brilliant and wish more people did.  But if you don't like jazz, thats fine with me.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: E. Spaceman on 12 Jul 2006, 09:13
Actually, I thik Coltrane is brilliant, but Legend status is something I don't think should matter.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 13 Jul 2006, 08:00
VOTING ON ROUND 3 ENDS 12:00AM TONIGHT
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: jcknbl on 13 Jul 2006, 11:08
It is not too late to vote for Kraftwerk!
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Storm Rider on 13 Jul 2006, 11:13
If Radiohead wins, this forum fails.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: E. Spaceman on 13 Jul 2006, 16:41
Actually, all this bitterness about Fugazi, Radiohead, Zeppelin and others hides one very important thing:


NEITHER COLDPLAY, OASIS OR THE MOTHERFUCKING ARCTIC MONKEYS ARE THERE, THIS IS A WONDERFUL PLACE
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: karl gambolputty... on 13 Jul 2006, 16:46
E. Spaceman speaks the truth.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 13 Jul 2006, 21:32
THE QUARTER-FINALS HAVE BEGUN

Just 3 days for this round, folks (and all future rounds).  Note that The Doors vs. Velvet Underground (15s) vs. The Beatles (6s) is a three-way race due to The Doors and Velvet Underground having tied in the previous round.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Jedit on 14 Jul 2006, 01:37
Quote from: E. Spaceman
Actually, all this bitterness about Fugazi, Radiohead, Zeppelin and others hides one very important thing:


NEITHER COLDPLAY, OASIS OR THE MOTHERFUCKING ARCTIC MONKEYS ARE THERE, THIS IS A WONDERFUL PLACE


But it does not hide the most important thing, viz. if Radiohead win, this forum fails.

When I saw that Shithead had won despite Led Zep having been pounding on them a day or two ago, due to a sudden influx of people with red name, I admit I thought someone had been sockpuppeting.  Nope; turns out they're real hipsters with no taste.  How depressing.

Re: the tie.  Last year I ran a six-week long multi-stage poll to find out what people on another forum believed to be the best movie ever made.  I dealt with ties by the simple expedient of never voting myself.  That way, if there was a tie I could make a casting vote.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: karl gambolputty... on 14 Jul 2006, 07:24
Quote from: Jedit



When I saw that Shithead had won despite Led Zep having been pounding on them a day or two ago, due to a sudden influx of people with red name, I admit I thought someone had been sockpuppeting.  Nope; turns out they're real hipsters with no taste.  How depressing.



Other people's musical tastes depress you?  Sorry dude, but that just might be the definition of a hipster.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Joseph on 14 Jul 2006, 09:41
So, my internet access right now is via a blackberry, and it doesn't seem too fond of the wiki, so could someone put me down for Radiohead, The Doors (the only band I'd vote for over The Beatles), Neutral Milk Hotel, and Joy Division?  I'm on vacation, and chances of me getting to a real computer are slim, so the help would be greatly appreciated.

Stupid thumb keyboard...
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 16 Jul 2006, 01:34
TODAY IS THE LAST DAY OF VOTING IN THE QUARTERFINALS.  ALL VOTES MUST BE IN BY 12:00AM EDT.

Edit: Entered Dark_Flame votes at his request.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Houdinimachine on 16 Jul 2006, 09:35
Ugh Johnny Cash is so superior to Radiohead. This is frustrating. Everything else is working out to plan. Neutral Milk Hotel slips in with the darkhorse performance. Keep going, little pony!
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Jedit on 16 Jul 2006, 09:57
Quote from: Houdinimachine
Neutral Milk Hotel slips in with the darkhorse performance. Keep going, little pony!


Who the hell are they?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: E. Spaceman on 16 Jul 2006, 10:00
Quote from: Houdinimachine
Ugh Johnny Cash is so superior to Radiohead. This is frustrating. Everything else is working out to plan. Neutral Milk Hotel slips in with the darkhorse performance. Keep going, little pony!


Isn't NMH one of the most revered indie bands? I certainly love them, but REM is better to me.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Houdinimachine on 16 Jul 2006, 10:12
Yes they are revered, but there's bound to be people here (See Jedit) that have never heard any of their stuff compared to say a Beatles or Radiohead.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 16 Jul 2006, 10:37
Rhapsody link to In the Aeroplane Over the Sea by NMH here.

Note: you don't need to create an account to play it.  Just press play, and the select "Play now" on the pop-up window.  I think it gives you something like 30 freebie songs before it starts charging.  Not really sure because I'm a Rhapsody subscriber.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: pat101 on 16 Jul 2006, 22:43
when bob dylan lost I quit.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 16 Jul 2006, 23:43
The Semifinals have begun.  Cast your vote in the next three days.  Votes must be cast by July 19, 2006, 12:00am EDT.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 18 Jul 2006, 15:03
Semifinals end tonight.  All votes must be cast and entered by 12:00am EDT.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Houdinimachine on 18 Jul 2006, 17:21
This is depressing. Beatles vs. Radiohead? Could this get anymore VH1?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 18 Jul 2006, 17:26
Yeah, I'm pretty disappointed in the outcome here.



Just to stir it up abit, I'm going to switch my vote to Joy Division. Because I am ace like that.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: jcknbl on 18 Jul 2006, 18:50
This is going to happen in almost any dicussion of canonized popular music. The Beatles were really fucking good and really fucking influential. What are you going to do?

I think we should try it again at some point but disqualify bands that have appeared in one of Rolling Stone's "greatest..." lists.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 18 Jul 2006, 21:18
THE FINALS HAVE BEGUN!

Vote for 1st place and 3d place bands.  Voting ends July 21st.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 18 Jul 2006, 21:25
I voted for the Joy Division Vs. Radiohead, but I'm going to wait to see how Beatles Vs. Neutral turns out before deciding there.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Willem on 19 Jul 2006, 02:56
oh god, are all you hip kids now going to vote against radiohead and the beatles because they're too cliche to win? (well, i know that some of you voted for jd anyway, but still..)
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: karl gambolputty... on 19 Jul 2006, 09:28
Damn, I didn't see that coming.  I thought the finals would be Radiohead v. The Beatles for sure.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 19 Jul 2006, 09:32
Quote from: Willem
oh god, are all you hip kids now going to vote against radiohead and the beatles because they're too cliche to win? (well, i know that some of you voted for jd anyway, but still..)



Well, I don't like Radiohead. obvious Joy Division vote there. For the other one, Just for the hell of it, I'm going to see which way it goes and vote for the losing one. Because honestly? I don't care.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Jedit on 19 Jul 2006, 12:43
Quote from: Willem
oh god, are all you hip kids now going to vote against radiohead


The hip kids are the only reason either finalist is there.  This poll lost any semblance of integrity when the Band Nobody in The Wide Fucking World Has Heard Of beat the Beatles.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 19 Jul 2006, 13:08
Neutral Millk Hotel aren't the band that nobody in the fucking wide world has heard of.





Just you.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 19 Jul 2006, 13:10
Seriously, if you're a fan of indie rock/pop you've pretty much heard of NMH.  If you're not . . . well then you probably haven't.  One of my favorite blogs counted every time NMH played a show in New York City.  They counted 7, with only 2 as the headliner.  Unbelievable for a band that influential.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: KharBevNor on 19 Jul 2006, 13:16
So, hang on, if we don't elect the Beatles as the best band, we suck?

Why bother having a goddamn battle of the bands then?



I would totally go for the idea of doing another one of these with no bands that have ever been on an NME list. Or possibly no bands that have ever produced a gold or above record.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 19 Jul 2006, 14:52
I would totally go for doing this again in such a fashion as to make sure everyone who votes for or against anyone knows exactly what they're doing.  I don't own a Radiohead album or a Joy Division album.  I'm not voting.

As I said at the very beginning, the only way this works as far as I'm concerned is if it's organized like the Forced Listening Thread.  People need to know what they're talking about.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Houdinimachine on 19 Jul 2006, 14:53
Quote from: Kai
Neutral Millk Hotel aren't the band that nobody in the fucking wide world has heard of.





Just you.


He's talking about Joy Division which is even more ridiculous.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Kai on 19 Jul 2006, 16:54
oh fuck man


Who hasn't heard of Joy Division?


no, seriously?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Houdinimachine on 19 Jul 2006, 18:33
Quote from: Jedit
Quote from: Willem
oh god, are all you hip kids now going to vote against radiohead


The hip kids are the only reason either finalist is there.  This poll lost any semblance of integrity when the Band Nobody in The Wide Fucking World Has Heard Of beat the Beatles.


Neutral Milk Hotel hasn't beaten the Beatles yet... so he HAS to be talking about Joy Division.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Microfilm on 19 Jul 2006, 21:02
Quote from: Storm Rider
If Radiohead wins, this forum fails.


I agree.

I love Radiohead but they just... aren't the best band.

This was predictable.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Jedit on 20 Jul 2006, 10:03
Quote from: Houdinimachine
Neutral Milk Hotel hasn't beaten the Beatles yet... so he HAS to be talking about Joy Division.


No, I was talking about Neutral Milk Hotel.  I'm sure the hipsters will rise to the occasion.

Kai - when a band has never been reviewed by any UK indie music mags, I'd call that a sign that nobody has heard of them.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: E. Spaceman on 20 Jul 2006, 10:16
Well, Neutral Milk Hotel broke up 8 years ago, so that may have something to do.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Jedit on 21 Jul 2006, 15:50
Quote from: E. Spaceman
Well, Neutral Milk Hotel broke up 8 years ago, so that may have something to do.


What makes you think I'm talking about recently?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: KharBevNor on 21 Jul 2006, 17:59
Well, I just did a quick google and found Drowned in Sound praising them and several mentions in the bloody Guardian, not to mention NME. Your contentions, sir, are ridiculous.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Jedit on 22 Jul 2006, 09:59
Quote from: KharBevNor
Well, I just did a quick google and found Drowned in Sound praising them and several mentions in the bloody Guardian, not to mention NME. Your contentions, sir, are ridiculous.


OK, then, I'll just have to amend my contention to "I, everyone I know, everyone whose writings on music I have ever read and everybody I've ever heard talk about music in any forum other than this one has not heard of this band - or at least has not seen fit to mention them - regardless of how knowledgeable they are on the subject".    

They're obscure.  Deal with it.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Johnny C on 23 Jul 2006, 11:24
Guys, how come it hasn't been updated? I don't know how to do this thing, but we ought to have something formal done, shouldn't we?
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: BeoPuppy on 23 Jul 2006, 11:51
Quote from: KharBevNor

I would totally go for the idea of doing another one of these with no bands that have ever been on an NME list. Or possibly no bands that have ever produced a gold or above record.


Or, possibly, no band.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 23 Jul 2006, 13:47
QC  BATTLE OF TEH BANDS IS OVER

The results:

TEH WINNAR: Joy Division
Second Place: Radiohead
Third Place: The Beatles
Fourth Place: Neutral Milk Hotel

Yes, if PennyRoyal and Johnny C had submitted their votes on time, Radiohead would have won.  Shame, shame, shame.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Garcin on 23 Jul 2006, 14:27
It was a pleasure.  Thanks to you and to OpenJamie for constructive suggestions as the battle progressed.  Especially to OpenJamie for proposing the whole endeavor in the first place.

Also thanks to everyone who participated.  Hope y'all had a bit of fun.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Jedit on 23 Jul 2006, 15:22
Quote from: Moiche
TEH WINNAR: Joy Division


Tehre is a god.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Thrillho on 23 Jul 2006, 17:50
Joy Division won? I officially now care about this battle of the bands thing. Woo.
Title: QC Battle Of Teh Bands
Post by: Gryff on 23 Jul 2006, 18:17
Hey yeah, I forgot to vote.