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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: End If Kris on 11 Aug 2006, 11:09
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Anyone else like Classical Music? I got into it when I was studying music History(got out fo that class dry as hell) and started on the standard stuff, you know Beathoven, Bach, Mozart, My favorite probably being Vivaldi and his Four Seasons (maybe becasue it was the first I had heard?) anyway tell all. Dont be shy.
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I'm much more partial to later stuff: Satie, Bartok, Ravel, Reich, Riley, Glass, Adams, etc etc...
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I also enjoy Reich and Glass.
I love Rimsky-Korsakov's Scherezade.
Also, Kjartan Sveinsson, the keyboard player for Sigur Ros wrote a beautiful suite of classical music for an Iceladic film that was nominated for an Academy Award (the film was, not the music), called Sķšasti bęrinn, and I'm quite partial to that.
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I'm much more partial to later stuff: Satie, Bartok, Ravel, Reich, Riley, Glass, Adams, etc etc...
I love all of them, but we can't really call them classical. Also Stravinsky.
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I like Debussy
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I'm much more partial to later stuff: Satie, Bartok, Ravel, Reich, Riley, Glass, Adams, etc etc...
I love all of them, but we can't really call them classical. Also Stravinsky.
Well in the sense of it being "classical" vs. "popular" I think it is acceptable. Those are tenuous labels, sure, but I think most classification systems would be willing to accept my choices.
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as long as we're not talking about eras, classical works. ^_^
i like stravinsky, ravel, mozart, tchaikovsky, and beethoven the most out of past classical composers and my favorite contemporary composer is eric whitacre. that man makes awesome choral music. and by awesome i mean OMGSPECTACULAR.
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There's a few composers that I feel strongly about:
I Love
Tchaikovsky
J.S. Bach's Fugues
Ives
I Like
Schoenberg
Berg
Reich
Glass
Cage (Sometimes)
Ravel
I Hate
Chopin
Mozart
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i studied carmen by bizet in a mandatory music appreciation class at school about 5 years ago and i liked it. i don't mind classical music at all, i don't tend to listen to it voluntarily but only because i don't own any! i just never think to buy any! if anyone has any recommendations feel free!
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Prokofiev is jolly good fun. but y'all knew that.
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I think if we're not going to distinguish the different time periods of the classic period of music, a distinction should be drawn at least between "classical" and "contemporary". Artists like Phillip Glass, Steve Reich, Alan Schoenberg and the like really shouldn't be lumped in a classical discussion, at the least because it's very misleading to the musical content and doesn't serve those composers justly (in my opinion)
That being said, I think Shostakovich is overall an excellent composer. The Planets by Steinberg is a great piece. Mendelssohn had some great work also. Beethoven had some great string quartets, but pretty much any and all string arranement sounds beautiful in my book, so maybe I'm not the best gauge on that sort of thing.
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I luv me sum Beethoven.
(plus many others, I studied music history for a buttload of years)
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There's a few composers that I feel strongly about:
I Love
Tchaikovsky
J.S. Bach's Fugues
Ives
I Like
Schoenberg
Berg
Reich
Glass
Cage (Sometimes)
Ravel
I Hate
Chopin
Mozart
How can you hate Chopin? Come on somewere inside that cold cold heart is sombody that loves Grand Polonaise
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I also enjoy Reich and Glass.
I love Rimsky-Korsakov's Scherezade.
Reich is a modern composer. Rimsky-Korsakov is romantic. Beethoven's early works and Mozrt are classical music. Bach and Vivaldi are Baroque composers.
Wait, I'm gonna link a thread about this.
edit: found it http://forums.questionablecontent.net/viewtopic.php?p=306926&highlight=#306926
It was a pretty damn good thread too.
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I apologize for not being specific. I just subconciously group these people unde the 'classical' tag, because that is the way society has indoctrinated me, most notably public radio for calling everything they play classical.
Actually though, I really should learn more on the subject.
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Speaking of old threads. Whatever happened to Bastardous Bassist?
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I'm not a huge classical fan, but I do enjoy the odd spot of Arvo Part and early Terry Riley.
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This thread seems a good enough place to post this question in.
Does anyone have any suggestions for figuring out which recording of a particular piece to buy? Should I try figuring out which performers I really like and go from there, or should I spend hours looking up information on/reviews of various recordings, or what?
Edit: I second the question about Bastardous Bassist, now that you mention it.
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It's probably not strictly classical but I really like
Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen.
Especially "Das Rheingold"
The scope of the music is amazing, so epic and majestic.
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Again, I doubt this really comes under the heading of "classical", but get hold of anything written by Joaquķn Rodrigo.
I've just found a CD recording of John Williams playing the Concerto de Aranjuez (among other great pieces) with the Seville Symphony in 1992. I don't care that it's one of the most well-known solo guitar pieces ever - it's also one of the most beautiful.
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You know, I actually lump everything done by an orchestra together as classical.
I am such a philistine.
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i went through a big phillip glass phase when i was in year 12. mow i more or less can't stand him. that stupid cyclicism gets under your skin after a while.
listening to a lot of pierre boulez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Boulez) at the moment but i wouldn't call him classical either.
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Speaking of old threads. Whatever happened to Bastardous Bassist?
He just stoped posting.
His band is still playing conerts so he's still alive, but I have no idea where he is.
He was one of my favorites, too bad he left.
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Stuff that I wrote but I don't want to take up way too much space
How can you hate Chopin? Come on somewere inside that cold cold heart is sombody that loves Grand Polonaise
Chopin just bores me, I've just never been able to become exited about one of his works.
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You know, I actually lump everything done by an orchestra together as classical.
I am such a philistine.
(http://www.acme.cg.yu/slike/DIVXslike/1775.jpg)
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No, you see, that was done by a band, but it was BACKED by an orchestra. I was talking Movie Soundtracks an stuff.
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You know, I actually lump everything done by an orchestra together as classical.
I am such a philistine.
(http://www.acme.cg.yu/slike/DIVXslike/1775.jpg)
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Yeah baby S&M rules! Best live album since Live in Leeds.
I quite like classical and think it should be utilised more by artists, especially in metal because through some strange irony metal + classical = awesome. On the other hand I hate opera. You get a good/reasonable musical intro then someone ruins it with awful vocals. I suppose it's a bit like emo in that respect.
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I'm not really sure how anyone can write off an entire genre like opera like that. Not every opera is like that.
I like what is considered modern classical music (Satie, Stravinsky, Zappa, Varese, Antheil, Nono, Takemitsu, Webern, Debussy, Ives, it goes on and on and on) Totalist classical music (Gann, Rouse, Ashley) and minimalist classical music (Specifically Riley and La Monte Young. Out of Glass and Reich I prefer Reich, but I don't like most Glass, though he's done some fantastic stuff.)
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man
fuck Phillip Glass
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You guys, Metallica's S&M is really good. I love it.
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Chopin just bores me, I've just never been able to become exited about one of his works.
i have to agree with you. i never really liked chopin either.
Does anyone have any suggestions for figuring out which recording of a particular piece to buy? Should I try figuring out which performers I really like and go from there, or should I spend hours looking up information on/reviews of various recordings, or what?
i would not reccomend looking up reviews. symphonic music (i'm just going to call it that to prevent confusion w/ Classical era music) has just as many differences as popular/mass music does. i'd find a few artists you like, look into them, see who influenced or was influenced by them, and expand like that. like for a while in HS i was obsessed with russian composers, so i looked them all up and found what i did and didn't like. (most of it i did.) but yeah. also...you could look by type of composer, like whether they wrote opera, symphonies, chamber music, choral, etc. etc.
or just ignore that and look at the composers everyone's been listing, because they're all good as well. :)
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Glenn Branca, writing a symphony for 100 electric guitatrs is badass, but when you actually manage to make it sound good, then it's genius.
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Dvorak's 9th. Especially if you're a fan of John Williams (I can think of at least three soundtracks derived from this piece alone).
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I don't really dig classical much which is sort of a problem since I play classical oboe, but I really enjoy playing more than the actual music. I really like Holst's Planets, though, and the Brandenburg Concertos. I do a program where I have to attend a whole bunch of classical concerts and then write reviews, and I thought the ones I went to this year were pretty boring for the most part so I bullshitted my reviews. Although the old people I sat next to seemed to think it was funny that I was there alone... I actually saw two pianists adapt Bizet's Jeux d'Enfants and I thought that was pretty sick.
I also am quite partial to Tchaikovsky. I have a friend who is obsessed with um whats-his-name... she always makes me listen to him... Shostakovich and he is pretty cool.
So I guess what I mean is that I like some classical music, but not the nameless stuff I usually hear on the radio. I also don't really know much about it, which is probably pretty obvious.
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playing it actually is a bit more fun. being in orchestra is one of the few things i miss from high school. i think the best things we played were Holst's Jupiter, Bluebeard (but i forget the composer off the top of my head), and soundtrack music from Pirates of the Carribean and Lord of the Rings.
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Stravinsky
Stockhausen
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We did Jupiter and Pirates of the Carribean in middle school, but we were awful so it doesn't count. I dropped band, actually, due to conflicts and the band instructor at my highschool really wants me back since next year they have one oboe. She keeps being creepy like, "SO YOU WILL JOIN BAND RIGHT?" and she's trying to get all my friends in band to make me join. I'm like, "maybe we'll see!" But it isn't gonna happen.
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Does anyone have any suggestions for figuring out which recording of a particular piece to buy?
Picking up a copy of the Penguin Guide to Compact Discs wouldn't be a bad idea.
Also, I prefer Liszt to Chopin. Everyone go listen to the 6 Consoliations. Hopefully played by a pianist with an understanding of dynamics instead of the usual stupid LISZT MEANS LOUD mentality.
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I really want to start playing classical contra-bass, but if I ever pick up a corntra-bass it'll be for Jazz.
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Hector Berlioz's "Symphonie Fantastique" is mighty fine, and totally punk rock - guy offs his woman, takes drugs, goes to hell?
Oh yes.
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Symphonie Fantastique was actually one of the fist symphonies that had a sense of modern composition. If you look at the fifth movment it's pretty avant-grade for when it was written.
Of course Wagner is going to change that in the years to follow.
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man
fuck Phillip Glass
Oh come on now, he's not all bad.
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I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned Rachmaninoff yet.
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I third the Holst. I might even go so far as to say that he's my favourite composer, although admittedly he's probably the only composer with works I can call out by name. Give me a good brass and reed band and a brilliant string melody and bass line, and you've got me covered.
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I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned Rachmaninoff yet.
Ack, beaten.
This man invented music. Piano Concerto #3 is the reason the instrument was conceived. Etc.
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Give me a good brass and reed band and a brilliant string melody and bass line, and you've got me covered.
You need to listen to Beethoven's 7th Symphony, and fast. The Deutsche Gramophon "Eloquence" imprint has a very good recording, dirt cheap.
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I really like classical music. In fact, classical music was the first kind of music that i was really into, even before "indie rock". That said, i'm no expert and admit my disdain of all the musical jargon.
Some composers:
Holst
Liszt
Satie (Gymnopedie (Gymnopedies?) is genius)
Grieg
Sibelius (can't believe no one has mentioned him, i thought he was pretty known. He's really powerful, if you like the epic stuff at least.)
I haven't heard much of Brahms, but i have his Hungarian Dance on repeat rather often.
And some random pieces here and there, (Debussy's Claire de Lune is godlike) but meh...
This is getting pretentious but has anyone heard of Leos Janacek?
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I really enjoy classical / symphonic / orchestral / etc. music. I don't know much about it, about the eras and composers and all that; I just like it.
Favourites include:
Mozart's Requiem
Grieg - Piano Concerto in A-Minor
Holst - Mars (and Jupiter, to a lesser extent)
Ravel - Bolero
Mussorgsky - The Hut on Fowl's Legs
Orff - Carmina Burana (although it's lost its original luster, due to overuse)
Rachmaninoff - Prelude in C# Minor
I also love the opera, but again, I know next to nothing about it. I've seen Der Rosenkavalier at the Civic Opera here in Chicago.
I really want some dark, stormy opera music, I just don't know where to look.
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I really want some dark, stormy opera music, I just don't know where to look.
Try Elektra by Strauss.
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Or you know, Wagner's Götterdämmerung has a few dark and stormy moments. Like when the land of the Gods gets burned to the ground.
Seriously, my best musical experience ever: seeing the Ring Cycle, specifically Götterdämmerung, at the Metropolitan Opera in orchestra seats. (Second best: Sufjan Steven's "Feel the Illinoise" tour.)
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I am general fan of "classical" music, due to being in orchestra. Currently I enjoy music more in the "romantic" style.
Also as I cello player, I am a fan of the good cello concertos, including
The Dvorak one...
Cello Concerto in A minor, Saint-Saens
and my current piece
Concerto in D minor, Edouard Lalo
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Dude. Bach. Elgar.
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Or you know, Wagner's Götterdämmerung has a few dark and stormy moments. Like when the land of the Gods gets burned to the ground.
Seriously, my best musical experience ever: seeing the Ring Cycle, specifically Götterdämmerung, at the Metropolitan Opera in orchestra seats. (Second best: Sufjan Steven's "Feel the Illinoise" tour.)
One of my dreams is to see Wagner's operas in the Bayreuth Festival.
Unfortunately:
Wagner's operas have never been staged in the modern state of Israel, and the few instrumental performances that have occurred have provoked much controversy. Although his works are commonly broadcast on government-owned radio and television stations, attempts at staging public performances have been halted by protests, which have included protests from Holocaust survivors. For instance, after Daniel Barenboim conducted a passage from Tristan und Isolde as an encore at the 2001 Israel Festival, a parliamentary committee urged a boycott of the conductor, and an initially scheduled performance of Die Walküre had to be withdrawn. On another occasion, Zubin Mehta played Wagner in Israel in spite of walkouts and jeers from the audience
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner#Nazi_appropriation
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You know, Hitlers favourite film was King Kong, but I don't see that being boycotted by Holocaust survivors.
Some people need to chill the hell out. Also, NEVER let these guys cotton on to the fact that people in Isreal are enjoying neo-folk. Because we all know the crap that goes round about DI6.
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Funny thing is, nobody said anything when DI6 came here to preform live in Tel Aviv. But Der Blutharsch got banned because some anti-racist group sent letters to Israeli ministers saying that Der Blutharsch were facists. Der Blutharsch got banned after they issued a special Israeli only T-Shirt and a limited CD for Israeli fans.
Seriously, sometime the left wing partys in this country piss the hell out of me*, why the hell would a nazi group even think about coming to Israel?
*my political opinios are considered far left.
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Yeah. It's like with Ancient Rites. One of my mates is convinced they're nazis, but they have an Isreali fan-club.
People just don't understand the whole bent of neo-folk/post-industrial music, which is to basically show you how awful all this stuff is, and to constantly re-evoke the waste and evil of the second world war, and the seductive evil of totalitarianism. It's their vocabulary.
DI6 and fucking Changes once got routed by anti-fascists in America, and I think DI6 are banned from playing in Lausanne. I seem to remember that Douglas P turned up to the press conference on that one handcuffed to Boyd Rice and Albin Julius, both dressed in Gorilla suits and swastika armbands. Then, at the show (becuase, Bizarrely, Der Bluthsarch, Boyd Rice and Fire + Ice HAD been allowed to play) a man appeared wearing Douglas's mask, then removed it, revealing himself to be Boyd Rice, who then sang an altered and extremely scathing version of C'est Un Reve. This all goes to show why neo-folk is FUCKING AWESOME.
Anyway, er, classical music. I used to actually be pretty obsessed with classical music when I was much younger, but like many of my semi-autistic youthful obsessions, I can't remember much. Nowadays I like (mainly) German, Russian and Scandinavian romantic and early 20th Century composers. Some favourites are Prokofiev, Mussorgsky, Wagner, Orff, Borodin, Grieg, Chopin, Saint-Saens, Sibelius, and a bit of the old Bach and Beethoven. I also have some CD's of gregorian chanting and whatnot that I enjoy, as well as CDs of random 'relaxing' classical pieces and film music, which I barely listen to. I generally like my classical music heavy and powerful.
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I read an interview with the guys who wrote Looking For Europe (a book about the history of neo-folk and other neo-folk related stuff) and they think that all of the bad press neo-folk got from groups like Antifa was responsible for getting all of the extreme right wing guys and other people with weird ideas and racist beliefs into the scene.
Also, I just started reading Heathen Harvest (http://www.heathenharvest.com) again, great post-industrial/neo-folk webzine.
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Oh shit! You reminded me, I still haven't sent any shit to the guy at Heathen Harvest.
I might as well wait until I have the first Ill Met By Moonlight EP done now.
Yeah, I've read Looking for Europe. I agree with that totally. I mean, it's a pure bloody joke. Look at the core members of the neo-folk scene. Douglas Pearce is gay, and he and Tony Wakeford played Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism rallies when they were in Crisis. Dave Tibet is a demented, cat-obsessed former buddhist turned apocalyptic and extremely esoteric Christian. And so on. The closest thing to a nazi in the inner circle of neo-folk is Boyd Rice, who's stated that he doesn't mind racism because it leads to people killing each other, and anything that reduces the planets population is good by him. They're a hell of a load of wierdos, but they're all either socialists, greens or libertarians. They're part of the same diaspora that gave us Psychic TV (I think Genesis P Orridges surgically implanted breasts deflect most nazi criticism away from him) and Coil (the band who did an AIDS charity single). All the Nazi crap is just patently ridiculous to anyone who takes a moment to do any research, and yet people swallow it up! I know goth zines that simply bin neo-folk or martial industrial recordings sent to them for reviewing. It's dumb as hell.
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Problam is people around here freak out a little too much when they see Pagan symbols and scream racism, insted of just looking into stuff before condeming them. Mainly because you cant tell if the groups are using the symbols like most neo-folk bands and artists do, or that they're actually racist and have nothing to do with neo-folk (like the National Alliance that uses the Algiz rune).
It's tricky getting people to see that neo-folk artists are just trying to create their own utopia while criticising both the left and the right.
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Yeah. I hear the new Sol Invictus albums going to have something of a Luddite theme, btw.
Also, is it really because of the pagan symbols? I'd always thought the main reason was radical misinterpretations of songs like C'est Un Reve, Hitler as Kali, Lifebooks, Herr, Nun Lab in Frieden, A Song For Douglas After He's Dead, Looking For Europe, Sarabande Oratoria, Rose Clouds of Holocaust, Power Has A Fragrance, etc. etc.
If it's pagan symbols, then my patch jacket should confuse the shit out of them, between the sunwheels, runes, triskeles, hexagrams and other heathen and occult symbols, and the gay pride, pro-trade union, pro-immigration, anti-tory, anti-nuclear and anti-nazi badges and patches. But then, I do try and keep it deliberately somewhat confusing.
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What I ment to say is that those who heard about neo-folk from the bad press anti-racist groups gave them, first saw the Pagan symbols that are often used by racist group (again: National Alliance). Only after thinking that neo-folk artists are racists or right wing or whatever they started paying attention to the lyrics, but insted of making them think they took them at face value (like the nazi punks taking DK songs like Kill The Poor at face value, untill DK wrote Nazi Punks Fuck Off).
Also, pictures of that patch jacket would be awsome.
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It's kind of hard to take pictures of, because it looks wierd not being worn. I've snapped off a few and some detail shots. I've also taken a WIP of the awesome hand-painted Death in June shirt I'm working on.