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Title: Heroes
Post by: thepugs on 20 Oct 2006, 10:45
So I'm seeing a whole rack of people also in love with Heroes.
So what characters do you like, and what do you think will happen in the future?

I definitely am baffled about the current goings-on at the end of the last episode (the 4th).  Rather interesting.
I like Mohinder a lot (he and the friend of his dad's need to just get with the makeouts already), I like Hiro and his buddy a lot, and I like Peter.  I liked Niki before the last episode, but now I'm not sure.  Everybody else is meh.

People have a lot of theories, but I've chosen to hold off - it is only four episodes into the first season.

In conclusion, cheerleaders on fire + brain stealing + time travel + flying + clairvoyance + crazy folk + omgz mystery = best show ever.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Trollstormur on 20 Oct 2006, 10:51
I don't like how one dimensional the evil government guy is. he's a very boring villain. the actor who plays mohinder isn't very good. at the moment, I like hiro and the cop the most. t'others are a little too 90210 for my tastes.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 20 Oct 2006, 13:23
hiro is adorable and i want to give him a hug.

so far i like the show, but yes, the villian is a little boring.

and i liked it how the cheerleader woke up on the autopsy table. that was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Blue Kitty on 20 Oct 2006, 21:18
I told myself I was not going to miss this show, but so far I have, and that dissappoints me

starting this monday I will watch it no matter what
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Trollstormur on 21 Oct 2006, 13:06
I'm watching it and downloading it.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ladybug on 21 Oct 2006, 18:11
I've also been downloading it, because I'm an impatient person who can't wait until some Norwegian channel figures out that "Oh, maybe we should send this show.".

So far, I love Hiro, the cop and (well, can't help it) Peter.. Hiro is so hilarious and awesome, and Peter is just, well, Milo :p The cheerleader is freaky, and I still haven't really figured out the woman with the ?ber smart kid.. And I suppose I agree with what you've said about the villain, but I'm kinda curious to see how this whole thing evolves when the plot thickens.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Maui on 21 Oct 2006, 23:04
they're showing a marathon of all the episodes on nbc on sunday guys, not sure when it starts though, you'll have to google that yourselves.

I only watched this show because milo ventimiglia (from gilmore girls) was on it, he plays peter, but now i'm totally hooked, it's got all the crazy plotlines of Lost, but actually answers the questions, love it.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Fiddler on 22 Oct 2006, 10:30
Yeah this show is definitely one of my favorite things on tv right now.  Hiro cracks me up and the heroine addict as a Prophet is pretty interesting to me.  As far as Nikki goes, the only thing I can think of is "Wait... so her super power is being a schizophrenic?"    But the indestructible cheerleader is great, and the cop could be interesting if he gets more of a story.   Same with the villain for me,  theres possibile potential if theyd open him up a bit more, cuz we really know nothing about him.

The ending to the latest episode was awesome to me, really kinda started to up the ante with the story, plus Hiro speaking english and beaing kinda badass was hilarious.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: redbeardjim on 25 Oct 2006, 08:13
As far as Nikki goes, the only thing I can think of is "Wait... so her super power is being a schizophrenic?"

Looks like some sort of super-strength is involved as well -- I mean, the big goon in her garage was basically torn in half, and she had a professional thug on the floor begging not to be lobotomized by her shoe in about five seconds in the elevator last week.

And last night? The flying? So much awesome. I love this show.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: thepugs on 25 Oct 2006, 08:46
Hell of yes.
I actually really adore the cop now.  I'm really unsure what to think about Claire's dad now, and have no idea where the hell Nikki's story is going.  How the hell does it connect to everyone else, except to have Nathan blackmailed?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ladybug on 25 Oct 2006, 21:51
Nikki and her story confuses the hell out of me, and so does the cheerleader's dad. The cop is, well, not very discrete..which I'm not too sure if is a good thing or not. I mean, sure, the girlfriend is probably in heaven right now, but it might be too creepy after a while..

The flying in the last episode was awesome (as well as the landing :p), and Nathan in his pajama pants = eyecandy, in a way. Hiro is fucking hilarious, I adore him. I hope there'll be more a lot more scenes with Peter, Hiro and Lucas (or whatever the painter's name is), they're all <3.

Am I the only one who thought the whole cheerleader-waking-up-from-the-dead-scene looked stupid, because her ribs were moving as if they were skin? :p Everyone I've talked to loved that scene, but I found it..stupid. It could've been made so much more realistic, even though it's totally unrealistic to begin with.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Felix_ on 26 Oct 2006, 13:01
I watched all of the episodes on Sunday when they re-aired them and then watched the new episode last night and I have to say, I'm mildly impressed. It's quite good. The show itself reads just like a comic book, and I was pleasantly surprised to see the great comic scribe Jeph Loeb attached to a few episodes as writer and all of them as executive producer. I even saw some Tim Sale artwork (yet another comic book guy) when the heroin dude was looking through  his sketches in the 3rd(?) episode.

Pretty cool show so far for network television.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 26 Oct 2006, 18:47
peter is getting all prophet-like too, which is making this really interesting.

i also don't really get Nikki's role in this whole thing, mostly because i don't know if she'll end up on the side with the characters we like or on the other side with the creepy villain guy. i really don't know what to think about her.

and i totally agree with this show being like lost, but it actually answers questionsm which makes it a lot better. (i stopped watching lost because it was getting frustrating and kind of boring because of it.)
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: JJMitchell on 27 Oct 2006, 01:33
I'm loving this show but I'm a comic book geek ... or was when I had money to spend.

So far it has kept me entertained which is the main goal.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: thepugs on 27 Oct 2006, 01:40
JJMitchell...there are comics on the intarwubs.
I don't mean webcomics.
I mean scans.


...bittorrent.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: JJMitchell on 27 Oct 2006, 01:56
I'd heard that but I don't have the time to download them and read em LOL
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Trollstormur on 27 Oct 2006, 02:48
when I had money to spend.

I don't have the time

^college student
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Merkava on 28 Oct 2006, 01:04
I'd say the most interesting of the heroes is Nathan. He's flawed, somewhat despicable, but has so much room to develop. I identify with him much more easily than the others. Plus, I was a huge fan of Judging Amy.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: BTWulf on 28 Oct 2006, 06:02
The Villain guy is kind of 2D, but his lackey intrigues me, probably because we don't know much yet.  The only good part about Stereotypical Evil Agent Man is going to be when Cheerleader finds out he's evil, other then that he seems to be useless, though I suppose that could cahnge, I dodn't like Nathan until episode 5.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: redbeardjim on 28 Oct 2006, 20:32
What I like is that they've actually left Spooky Glasses Man fairly ambiguous as far as his motives. Is he really working in opposition to the heroes? Was he involved with Papa Suresh's death, or was he just there cleaning up afterward?

Tune in next week, same Hiro-time, same Hiro-channel!

BIFF! POW! YATTA!!!
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: bff on 08 Nov 2006, 07:22
Pretty cool show so far for network television.
Quoted for truth.  I am frankly amazed a program that features a heroin addict, a corrupt politician, and an internet stripper made it onto network television.  AND THOSE ARE THE GOOD GUYS!!!
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ladybug on 08 Nov 2006, 16:17
Damnit, I've grown to dislike Nikki more and more. She makes no sense to me! Yes, I get that she goes into rampage mode, but wtf?

Oh, and I knew the kid had to have special powers.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: JJMitchell on 08 Nov 2006, 19:18
Niki is probably my least favorite hero, although not like I dislike her.  The others are just more interesting.

I don't think HRG is 'evil' like most people do.  My guess is that he is going to be a gray area character, out for either himself or maybe just his 'group' whoever that may be.  He seems to genuiely care about Claire.

I can't wait for each new episode.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 09 Nov 2006, 17:00
I was pleasantly surprised to see the great comic scribe Jeph Loeb attached to a few episodes as writer and all of them as executive producer.

It's weird seeing his name on stuff for me, because I was friends with his son.  Anyway, Heroes is a great show so far.  Having so many interweaving plotlines seems like it would be confusing, but they manage it all well enough that it flows really easily and naturally.  Plus Hiro is awesome.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Fiddler on 09 Nov 2006, 18:19
I don't think HRG is 'evil' like most people do.  My guess is that he is going to be a gray area character, out for either himself or maybe just his 'group' whoever that may be.  He seems to genuiely care about Claire.

Yeah, his actions are kind of hard to give motive to.  He does act like he cares about Claire, but at the same time he's kind of insane so.... haha.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: thegreatbuddha on 09 Nov 2006, 22:39
HRG has powers that are as of yet unknown, and he's probably a good guy.  He means well by any means necessary.  Sort of a modern Vlad Tepes.

Of course, that's pure speculation on my part, but I think it holds water.

Also, waiting a week between episodes sucks.  hard.  Heroes is the crack rock of the television world.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: JJMitchell on 10 Nov 2006, 19:10
I've had the thought that HRG is a Hero detector or knows who they are because he is associated with the group that 'gave' them their powers. 

I was of the mind that they aren't natural mutants.  IE the original heros weren't born with thier powers but had a gene that when tweaked gives them powers.

Hiro might disprove this though since HRG didn't seem to have any clue about him or his powers.

HRG is becoming one of my favorite characters.  Probably Hiro then Peter then Claire in order of awesomeness.  Peter is likeable to me for some weird reason.  I realize his powers have been done before but his personality etc sucked me in.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: thepugs on 10 Nov 2006, 23:54
I still maintain that Nathan and Nikki will be fighting against good unintentionally, and Lindermann on purpose...but HRG I think will help in the end.  I want to know what the whole business with Mohinder is, though...they can't have introduced him just to yank him out.

I also can't help but like Nathan for some reason, and I love DL.  He's awesome.  I can't stand Claire though.  I mean, her power is cool and all...but she has a really fat neck, and whines a lot.  She just bothers me.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Dill on 11 Nov 2006, 11:37
Cool show, but I wonder if they can pull it off. It just feels a little like Lost, where there is all this conspiracy development but the writers don't seem to actually know what the secret is supposed to be. If they can keep the momentum, make it all the episodes plot-oriented, and not get over-complicate it, it could be great.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Aztex on 11 Nov 2006, 12:34
mmm It seems pretty good atm.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 25 Nov 2006, 10:54
I haven't missed an episode of Heroes since it started o.o
My favorite is definitely Hiro. :-D
Dude cracks me up, and he's all badass in the future with his sword and whatnot.
I like the cheerleader too o.o Not in a OOo she's hot way, but I think she could kick some serious butt eventually. So far we've only seen her try to mame herself, and pull someone out of a fire, but I can't wait to see her in combat. Like.. Wolverine without the claws. o.o
The kid Micah just has some kind of awesomeness about him too.

I'm on the fence about Peter. I like his complete innocence, but there's something missing about him. He seems to be kinda just drifting along, being shown exactly where to go. He's lucky to be able to have everyone else's powers. His girlfriend Simone is a hottie though o.o.
My girlfriend's favorite is Isaac, the painter. She says it's cuz she's also a painter, so she likes that about him, but I know it's just cuz she wants his body.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Merkava on 26 Nov 2006, 06:57
My RPG fantatacism has caused me to hate Peter's moral compass with a burning passion. I've seen too much of that goody-goody character, and yet, I...like him as a character. Well, except for his hair, of course...and his girlfriend. Simone is gross.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 05 Dec 2006, 08:08
IT'S GETTING INTERESTING!!!






i hope peter doesn't really explode.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ladybug on 05 Dec 2006, 11:44
Of course, it's really getting interesting now that there's a break until January 22nd :-(

Miiister Isaaaakk! :D Hiro ftw.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 05 Dec 2006, 12:15
When I saw the painting in the last episode, ... that just got me hooked for next season. The dude is never wrong and I can't wait to see the show pull that off.

Oh and the new catch phrase: Are you on the list?
Not as eerie, or as cool, but I think it's cool that they are giving each story arc a phrase like that o.o

My brother and I were makin jokes about it.. like >.> Save the plumber, save Kentucky.
Save the pilot, save Chicago. Save the garbage man, save Europe. Stuff like that XD
You had to be there.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 05 Dec 2006, 23:56
Of course, it's really getting interesting now that there's a break until January 22nd :-(

Miiister Isaaaakk! :D Hiro ftw.

AGH. i hate it when they do that. (hiro is so adorable.)
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Tyler on 06 Dec 2006, 18:56
Hiro = Superawesome

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/04/arts/television/04oka.html?_r=1&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/04/arts/television/04oka.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Fiddler on 07 Dec 2006, 20:56
Oh man, that article makes me love that guy even more.  Especially when he was geeking out on the computer graphics stuff. 

But as to the show, it's seriously my favorite thing on TV in a long time.  As far as Peter exploding though, my two theories are that either his dream was actually about the radiation guy and that Peter was kind of stepping into his shoes and viewing what might happen similar to when he saw everything that Nathan experienced when he had his accident, like flying above the car and what not.  Either that or Peter goes into overload from having too many people with powers around and his body not being able to handle it.  So it could all be a run up to see if he can fight off Sylar and gain control of his powers.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 07 Dec 2006, 21:00
It's interesting... Sylar seems to take other people's powers permanently, where as Peter borrows them temporarily.

Makes me wonder, if Peter is around Sylar, does he get all of Sylar's powers?

Oh >.> and wasn't it cool when Peter was in the room with Matt (the cop) and there was all that psychic feedback, like putting a microphone too close to the speaker. XD that was just awesome.
Man I love this show.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: thepugs on 08 Dec 2006, 08:37
In terms of the dream, I'm thinking that Peter ends up around radioactive man and gains his power, and since the radioactive dude didn't have that great control over it in the first place, it seems Peter would have even less control.  I dunno.  But I do think it's Peter exploding.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: DinosaursMadeMeDoIt on 08 Dec 2006, 11:34
Yah, I reckon you're right on that one. In the dream, we see Clare come up to Peter and say "I'm sorry" to him.

While it's probably waaay too early to start this kind of speculation, as it stands there's not much reason for Clare to be as 'close' to Teddy/boom-boom man as she would be to Peter. So it's more probable that it's Peter who goes ker-boom.

Maybe.

Given the focus we've had on Teddy before, and the fact that he's now running off in non-central-to-current-plotline land, i'd imagine that he's going to play at least some part in the big explosion. It'd be a bit wierd to have a super introduced whose power is a perfect fit for the "final end", only for it to be the result of Peter's powers overloading as too many heroes are around. Not saying that it wouldn't happen, but it'd be... a little odd, don't you reckon?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Fiddler on 08 Dec 2006, 22:32
It would be a little odd if Ted wasnt around at all so I'm assuming he'll reapear and have something to do with it for sure.  But I was just kind of basing the overload thing on the fact that Peter got progressively worse the more people with powers he was exposed to.  It was something like 4 or 5 in a relatively short period of time.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: guywithoutsocks on 09 Dec 2006, 03:16
My television generally doesn't even get used during the week but I feel like a huge tool for having only watched this show the past couple of weeks.  It clearly can't come out on DVD soon enough.

(apologies for derailing the discussion...)
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: GebStar on 09 Dec 2006, 11:38
It's not out here in Australia yet but I downloaded the first 11 episodes.
It's fuckin fantastic, I love Hiro, and I hate Nikki. I have no empathy whatsoever for Nikki.
I also love Hiro's woman she's too cute for what happens to her, and I like Peter over Nathan, Nathans too much of an asshole for my liking.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: BBP on 09 Dec 2006, 12:06
I may have missed that part - who is Ted?  I remember the cops being in a building with high levels of radiation, but don't know who it was who lived there...

Future Hiro's words still stay with me - not to tell Suresh too much.  I keep waiting for the shoe to drop, and something bad to happen to him.

I also wonder about the cheerleader's dad's sidekick.  He seems to have the power to 1) block other people's powers and 2) erase memory.  That's two powers...or one comprehensive mind-altering power?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: DinosaursMadeMeDoIt on 09 Dec 2006, 15:47
Yeah, i'd imagine that it could possibly (though i'm not going to try!) explain it as one power. Mr Bennet said to Sylar that "they've never met someone with more than one power", and he knows about the Haitian, so...you'd assume it's just one.

Perhaps it's Mr Bennet who has the "power stifling" power? That probably doesn't work, though...

It's fuckin fantastic, I love Hiro, and I hate Nikki. I have no empathy whatsoever for Nikki.
I also love Hiro's woman she's too cute for what happens to her, and I like Peter over Nathan, Nathans too much of an asshole for my liking.

Totally agree on the "no sympathy for Nikki" front. Her story is by far the most boring, and that's despite my being somewhat interested in both DL and Micah. So...she's well dull.

Then again, perhaps it's just because their whole storyline is so utterly seperated from the other Heroes. When she met with Nathan (who rocks, in my opinion, if only because Jim Profit with superpowers is awesome) she wasn't quite as irritating. While DL and Micah got cooler once they interacted with Hiro and Ando. Maybe (hopefully) things will improve for them when they come into contact with the others...?

And yeah, Charlie (Hiro's girl?) was awesome. A bit of a wierd power (like one of those mnemonic memory tapes that WORKED!), but definitely a cutie.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: GebStar on 09 Dec 2006, 17:26
See now, DL and Micah seem about as removed from the situation as everyone else, but I'm still somewhat more interested in what happens to them than her. I just think that her power is such a bullshit power, and boring. All the characters are develioping, growing and learning to control their powers. All she does is black out and accidentally kill people.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: thegreatbuddha on 11 Dec 2006, 14:15
But I was just kind of basing the overload thing on the fact that Peter got progressively worse the more people with powers he was exposed to.  It was something like 4 or 5 in a relatively short period of time.

At first, I thought Peter had some internal trauma that hadn't completely healed because Claire wandered off after he started to heal himself. Then he collapsed after seeing Claire again, albeit briefly. Now I'm leaning more towards the Haitian & Mr Bennett doing something to him in order to whisk him away for whatever it is they do with the heroes.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Tyler on 12 Dec 2006, 06:54
I don't think anything was done to Peter. Sylar became less stable the more powers he took on. Now the flashback dream Peter had at the end of the episode, may mean he absorbs the powers in a bit more long term basis. The scene early on where he hovers in bed also makes me think this may be the case, because he was not in direct contact with his brother at that point, but the power remained. It seems his body may not be able to handle the mutations that must take place at rapid speed when around other heroes. If you remember when Sylar saw the first person with powers, he called them broken. It makes me think the mutations in general will have potentially serious side effects. I'll also believe that Peter will be the one that has to defeat Sylar,due to his capacity to share powers, but most likely they will give the final blow so someone else (Mohinder comes to mind).
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Fiddler on 15 Dec 2006, 20:06
Egh, I dont think the mutations are going to turn out to be like unstable or anything, I'm pretty sure Sylar called the guy broken because he didnt want his powers and that is the only thing Sylar really wants so not wanting power to him is like being broken.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lise on 27 Dec 2006, 02:20
Heroes is my new vice. I've been faithfully keeping up with the series, and I've actually started a countdown until Jan. 22nd, the airing of the next episode.

Those bastards at NBC are well-versed in the art of dangling cliffhangers to viewers. The entire series of Heroes, which they've mapped into the 5th season, could just as easily be crammed into a 2 hour (epic) film.

It's all about the money (and the Nissan Versa, if you've been to the NBC heroes site ;P) YAY FOR OBVIOUS PRODUCT PLACEMENT!

I have my own theories of HRG, his powers, and how half-assed the writers have handled the Time Paradox... but it's all discussed here in better detail http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/ (http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/). Cheers!

PS: Anyone who is rooting for Claire/Peter relations = sexually repressed. :O
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 28 Dec 2006, 00:27
I have a question... >.> When did Bennet get called "HRG" and what does it mean?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: thepugs on 28 Dec 2006, 11:32
Horn-rimmed glasses.

'Cause of his.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 28 Dec 2006, 12:05
I want to believe that o.o
But when did he get called that?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: williamjamesw on 28 Dec 2006, 12:51
I don't think that he was ever called that on screen; but the horn rimmed glasses were fairly distinctive, and (I think) it took a while before the character was  named on screen.  Also may be similar to CSM (Cigarete smoking man) from X-files (the creepy/mysterious character that the audience isn't sure if they are good, evil, or just a-moral.
Woo-hoo, I'm actually making another post.  Lutking so long was starting to feel creepy.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 28 Dec 2006, 13:00
Glad I could bring you out of the shadows :D
Thanks for the explanation. HRG is kinda catchy o.o
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: magdalena on 29 Dec 2006, 05:39
i have been disappointed by tv shows for soo long that i really hated to watch heroes at first, in defense.  but wow... i love it.  hiroe is definitely my favorite, and peter and claire are great!!  didn't like nathan until the last story aired, which explained a lot about why he's such a jerkoff.  i'm not sure about nikki, because honestly, i'm not an ali larter fan.  but for the most part i cannot wait till the new stories air!!
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: JJMitchell on 22 Jan 2007, 22:18
New episode tonight!
Don't miss it.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 23 Jan 2007, 00:40
omgomgomg :P
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: thepugs on 23 Jan 2007, 10:08
I am extremely pleased.  Like usual, enough answers and plot development to satisfy, but enough twists and unanswered questions left to intrigue.

I am disappointed about the dinosaur painting though. :(
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ladybug on 23 Jan 2007, 11:04
You, flying man! Wooosh!

Haha, Hiro's awesomeness only grows.

I really liked today's episode, without really being able to pinpoint exactly why. Maybe because it's great to have it back, but there was something else as well. I still really dislike Nikki/Jessica/rampage mode-girl, but Michah and DL are pretty cool, so I guess I'll have to deal with her. And, erm, Peter going to the desert - where radioactive guy is - might lead to bad things. I hope not.

Linderman confuses me!
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 23 Jan 2007, 11:58
Was that the first time Nikki was able to use her super strength while "conscious"? That looks like plot development :D

I'm still waiting for Hiro to use that sword against a real dinosaur.

Ahh! I'm so glad the show's back ^_^
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: guywithoutsocks on 23 Jan 2007, 20:33
I enjoyed this episode for the most part.  It didn't give away too much, but let out enough information to make me speculate a little bit about the direction.

Specific things I liked about this episode:
HRG/Bennett/whatever's demeanor when the FBI came to investigate the paper warehouse.  Not too smug, just a little evil.
Hiro.  The whole bit with the sword was pretty great.  Also: "Keep it down."  "whoosh."
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Fiddler on 23 Jan 2007, 23:00
Hopefully the Nikki/Jessica psychotic bit will have some resolution soon because she might be an okay character if she didnt have the constant potential to flip out and murder everyone for no good reason.

But I dont think the museum scene with the t-rex was the one from the painting just because I'm pretty sure Hiro actually has the sword drawn in the painting and it wasnt in the museum.

Okay done nerding out on it for now.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: BillAdama on 24 Jan 2007, 04:26
I love Heroes.  One thing I think would improve it is if the characters start finally coming together to a cohesive plotline.  At the very beginning it was like there were six stories going on at once that had nothing to do with each other, and every time the stories have crossed the overall quality of the show has vastly improved.

I have no idea where they're going with the bomb plotline, except that it seems pretty obvious now that Peter is somehow going to take nuclear guy's power.  And it's obvious the Linderman plotline is how the DL/Nicki/Micah plotline will finally cross any of the other plotlines.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: JJMitchell on 24 Jan 2007, 19:12
This episode was good. 

I love that Clarie is less teenage girl and more girl who is going through a ton of stuff.
Hiro is still my fave.
I actually enjoyed the Nikki plotline more than I have before.  Still one of my least faves.

My thoery on Linderman: he is a Hero.  Maybe his power is something fairly minor or he doesn't admit it/control it but he is my vote for the 'evil mastermind' type of villian.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Tyler on 25 Jan 2007, 12:14
Linderman controls glasses guy is my guess.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Evil_Lathander on 25 Jan 2007, 20:24
I don't really have a heroe.

I once did this online test which turned out to say I am most like Magneto from X-men...
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: thepugs on 26 Jan 2007, 03:04
Linderman controls glasses guy is my guess.

Linderman probably is Sylar or something.  Or his dad, or brother, etc.

Also, Lathander, try and stay on topic in threads.  This is specifically about the NBC series Heroes.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: BillAdama on 27 Jan 2007, 21:00
So far Linderman has been referred to as just this really rich mobbish guy who's in control of everything.

Knowing the show's patterns so far, I bet he has some kind of superpower that is behind his ascension to such a position of power.  Also, he has the sword that lets people control their powers, which makes it even more likely that he has some kind of power.

I didn't like the original Nicki plotline, but I think I like it now that her evil Superman twin is out in the open and DL and Micah have bonded more.  I'm really curious what Micah's power is.  He's already used it once to temporarily fix a phone that was out of order and call his mother, but there's a wide range of possibilities for what his actual power is.

It would also fit if it were true that Linderman is the person behind Claire's father, but that's far from proven right now.  Though, it would explain why Haitian is being disloyal.  If he wants to somehow use Claire to stop Linderman.

Either way, we're certainly going to see a lot more of Linderman by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Fiddler on 30 Jan 2007, 08:27
New episode, new little questions.  I do have to say that ever since I saw Christopher Eccleston (sp?) was on Dr. Who, the first new season if that makes sense, I've really enjoyed him as an actor.  I just think he has a really awesome way of delivering his lines and I'm super happy that hes playing the invisible man.  Other than that Hiro's dad is George Takei and that is equally as great.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: guywithoutsocks on 30 Jan 2007, 08:39
I don't know that I enjoyed last night's episode very much; the characters were mostly headed in their own directions and the different storylines didn't interact much, if at all.  I realize not every episode will have some kind of OMG Big Dramatic Showdown, but this seemed to be fairly anticlimactic.  Maybe it'll prove to me more important as more of the plot unfolds though.

There were some things that I liked, of course:
Sylar finally does something.  As if he would just fade away anyway, but I was getting anxious.
Peter and the invisible man (does he have a name yet?).
Hiro (and his father), of course.  "This is how we roll."
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 30 Jan 2007, 20:26
I felt like there were too many commercials, and not enough story progression.
It certainly did set up a lot of plots, so I imagine next week we'll see a lot of plots unfold.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Hat on 31 Jan 2007, 03:58
This just premiered in Australia today, and I just popped in here to say wow. Between the cheerleaders hand getting completely mangled, and Hiro being the fucking cutest thing I have ever seen I am already won over. Now I have to catch up so I can actually read through this thread.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: JJMitchell on 31 Jan 2007, 05:31
Monday's episode was a 'builder' episode.  Very little actual plot development but enough to make you want to watch next week and figure out what is going on.
They have now built the base to continue the plot I think though.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Inlander on 31 Jan 2007, 18:40
I also watched the first episode in Australia last night, after a shit-load of hype.

Ehh. At this stage it looks like a solid "I'll watch this if I'm around, but it's not the kind of thing I could be bothered taping if I'm out" show. Beyond their superpowers, none of the characters struck me as particularly interesting. And there are more than enough shows on T.V. already (and in the past) with big bad scary government (or whatever) conspiracies. It's like cop shows with serial killers: been there, done that, get over it.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lunchbox on 31 Jan 2007, 20:02
Hm, I noticed that last night, Inlander - straight from Heroes to Prisonbreak.
Are they trying to tell us something?


Since I only watch TV on Wednesday when we visit my boy's Dad, this will become part of my regular routine. I am looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: BillAdama on 01 Feb 2007, 07:44
My question right now...is Sulu Linderman, or some other guy?

I agree that I like the show better when the plotlines link together more.  I wish they'd come together a bit more, because right now there are so many divergent plotlines that they don't spend more than like five minutes on any one plotline in any given episode.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 01 Feb 2007, 23:00
Sulu is Hiro's dad, Mr. Nakamura
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Peter Harris on 02 Feb 2007, 10:34
Don't know if any of you watch Studio 60, but Hiro was on it, as himself (as the actor who plays Hiro - I don't know his name off the top of my head).  It was pretty funny, with Harriet dressed as a cheerleader...

"Save me... Save the world."
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 06 Feb 2007, 07:18
that was pretty funny.

so last might we met mommy and daddy of clair. and syler finally is back in action. and we find out why peter will probably explode. interesting episode.

hiro's friend cracked me up when he tried to hug hiro's sister.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Fiddler on 06 Feb 2007, 08:46
Haha yeah Ando going in for the hug was pretty great,  it was better when she just bowed to him and he was still like "I think she likes me"

At least with Nathan being Claires dad we can stop people talking about Peter and Claire cuz that was just creepy.

I hope anyone who reads this thread assumes there will be spoilers.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: guywithoutsocks on 06 Feb 2007, 08:51
Agreed w/ the spoilers. 

Interesting episode last night, even if Nathan's involvement was somewhat predictable.  Ando added just enough humor to an otherwise serious episode ("Are you wearing cologne?").  Hopefully Hiro gets more involved with the other characters from here on out.

The bits w/ Peter and the invisible man (does he have a name?) were very good also.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: thepugs on 06 Feb 2007, 11:27
I thought the hint that Mr. Bennet dropped about the Invisible Man being an old friend that was less dead than they thought was interesting, I'm curious to see what's behind that.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 06 Feb 2007, 13:22
How many of you did the "OOHHH!" sound when we found out it was Nathan on the other end of the phone.. as if you just saw someone get kicked in the balls, or you just found something out that made you right and everyone else wrong? OHHHH! 'Cause the people I was watching it with, all made that sound simultaneously. It was funny. >.>
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: williamjamesw on 06 Feb 2007, 15:16
They almost told us Mr. Bennet's  (HRG) first name; wondering if there is gonna be some importance to us not knowing?  Of course it might have revealed earlier and I just missed it; if so, never mind.  :|
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 06 Feb 2007, 18:06
How many of you did the "OOHHH!" sound when we found out it was Nathan on the other end of the phone.. as if you just saw someone get kicked in the balls, or you just found something out that made you right and everyone else wrong? OHHHH! 'Cause the people I was watching it with, all made that sound simultaneously. It was funny. >.>

i did. it was like a revelation i didn't really care for but it made sense. and it's good because peter and the cheerleader are now related and people can stop hoping for a romance between the two which is totally pervy.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 06 Feb 2007, 19:31
Yeah. Now it's kind of a Luke and Leah thing >.>
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Mark7 on 07 Feb 2007, 01:51
...the invisible man (does he have a name?)...

Claude.  After Claude Raines
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ladybug on 20 Feb 2007, 08:28
Awesome episode this week.. Lots of stuff happening, no Nikki/Jessica, a bit more interaction between the various heroes.. I hope Ando doesn't disappear forever :/
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Tyler on 20 Feb 2007, 14:46
My guess is Ando may get killed. Seems that the folks that will become full time heroes are going to be forced to more or less lose most personal connections. Also, Peter got badass in a hurry. Was anyone else amazed by that? I am very much intrigued by what happens next with Sylar slowly losing control of himself as well as Mr. Bennet's whole world crashing about him. I am still quite sure he is not a bad guy, and something will happen soon where he will disobey whatever superiors he has for the sake of Claire.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: guywithoutsocks on 20 Feb 2007, 14:59
I enjoyed this week's episode a great deal.  The characters were well-written and developed, the special effects really added to the episode, and the story moved along just enough.  There are a lot of things that this show is doing really well right now, in my opinion.

Thoughts:
-I really like how Mr. Bennett is portrayed.  He could have been a real stereotype but is one of the better characters on the show (I think, anyway).  Seeing him react as his home life deteriorates really makes him seem more human.  The scenes between he and Claire were pretty good.
-I'm curious to see what happens with Sylar also.  As Peter is figuring out how to use all of his powers, I really think we're going to see a Peter/Sylar showdown at some point.

I've almost quit watching television completely, but this show has really drawn me in.  Unless I watch a movie at home, it's the only time I turn on my tv anymore.  (Granted, all I get are the network stations.)
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 22 Feb 2007, 00:47
I think I missed the scene where they showed wtf Sylar does to people to gain their powers.

Does he eat their brains or something?!

I remember him going into the room cuz he was dealing with a broken watch..
And the guy said "Youre broken" or something... then I got called into another room and when I came back the guy was dead.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: BillAdama on 22 Feb 2007, 11:59
Heroes is really becoming a great show.

It is kind of all over the place with the divergent plotlines, and some of the plot twists are kind of silly (Nathan is Claire's father, Isaac accidentally shoots his girlfriend trying to shoot Peter).  But the whole picture together is pretty amazing.

I'm starting to wonder.  When Hiro went to the future, was it Sylar who killed Isaac, or Peter?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: im_a _hellion on 22 Feb 2007, 17:09
is it juss me or are peter and sylars talents very similar?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 22 Feb 2007, 17:40
it appears that sylar has to kill people to absorb their powers while peter does not. and i'm not quite sure if sylar has a limit to how many he can absorb. but other than that, yes, they are pretty similar.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: im_a _hellion on 22 Feb 2007, 17:54
maybe its just that he is psycotic and doesnt think that he can use them until they r dead
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Tyler on 23 Feb 2007, 09:42
No. Sylar most certainly needs to kill them to use their powers. He obviously has to take something from their brain. Whereas Peter is empathic, and his genes themselves change when around other people, and appear to then "remember" the changes.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: guywithoutsocks on 23 Feb 2007, 11:28
Right, Sylar didn't originally have any special abilities of his own.  I have missed a few episodes, so I could be wrong, but I don't know that they've ever showed exactly what Sylar does to take another's special ability.  I don't think the specifics are that important outside of the process being fatal; I would imagine it's graphic enough that we've probably seen as much as we're going to, given that it airs on NBC.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: thepugs on 23 Feb 2007, 12:32
They don't say how it is in particular that he absorbs powers, but it looks like his original power was seeing inside something to know what is broken.  When he stole the telekinesis from the first person he killed, he looked at them and said something like, "I can see your brain.  It's broken."
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lukeypoo on 24 Feb 2007, 13:32
Yeah, Sylar's like the opposite of Peter. Peter gets powers through memories and emotion, Sylar gets them physically.

I'd like to bring up the fancy f shape that continues to show up all over the series, I re-watched them online and noticed how often it appears. I had a discussion with a friend about how it's a half of a doudle helix or something to do with genetics. It also appears on the sword, the Haitians necklace, tattoo on Nikki, on Dr. Suresh's genetics book cover, in Claire's locker on a notebook, etc... It also means godsend  & something else, according to Ando. Any theories?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: GruntyBalboa on 24 Feb 2007, 15:06
Higher power Hero? One that may be pulling strings we don't yet see?

I'm gonna call Linderman being a hero.

Also, I think Sylar was able to tell how someone was different by sound. If that's correct, this most recent addition gives him a massive advantage...
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Fiddler on 24 Feb 2007, 18:20
Its been awhile since biology, but half a double helix is actually RNA or mRNA or something like that I do believe.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lukeypoo on 26 Feb 2007, 10:00
If Sylar can tell who's different through hearing, I don't think would be teaming up with Mohinder. Also, he would've known it wasn't Claire he was attacking in the locker room? I don't know though, we're talking about a show where people can fly, stop time, manifest fire, etc..
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 26 Feb 2007, 11:13
Mohinder knows who the others are whereas Sylar does not. Free resource.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lukeypoo on 26 Feb 2007, 12:17
Yeah, you're right.

Did anyone else got to watch the episode last night? Global airs it at 9pm here in Vancouver, B.C. Not sure if anyone else saw it... It was informative...
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Tyler on 26 Feb 2007, 16:47
Mohinder knows who the others are whereas Sylar does not. Free resource.

I just imagined a Lost/Heroes crossover. As if either show needs plots more entangled.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 26 Feb 2007, 17:07
Oh sweet jeebus NO. Unless it's a random appearance of Mohinder and he answers everyones questions and then we all know what the crap is going on on that freaking island.

Edit: FINALLY we're learning about Mr. Bennett. Yessss.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ladybug on 26 Feb 2007, 19:00
Veery interesting episode this week.. Cleared up a lot of stuff, while still leaving a bunch of mystery. Thank you, Canada, for airing it one day early.

Wouldn't have thought an entire episode with only those characters (except Hiro's minor appearance etc) could be so good.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: GruntyBalboa on 26 Feb 2007, 19:33
Did Hiro's dad know he had a power when he met him?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: guywithoutsocks on 27 Feb 2007, 05:55
What a great episode.  I still have questions, but it was both touching and very interesting.  I figured that some characters had more history together than has been let on, but this episode was still somewhat revelatory for me.  I'm kind of surprised I didn't see the ending coming.  Also, NBC could probably make a 30-minute show with George Takei just acting badass and I'd still watch it every week.  I really liked how all the characters were portrayed in this episode; I'll be curious to see how much of Mr. Bennet we see in the future though.

I would assume that Hiro's father doesn't know about his Hiro's abilities, based on last night's episode.

Next week should be very interesting.  I thought for sure that Linderman would be someone that we've already met, but the preview suggests otherwise.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 27 Feb 2007, 06:25
Yeah, I don't think Hiro's father knows, which suggests that that's a good thing. And after this episode, I have to say that I like Mr. Bennet much more now.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lukeypoo on 27 Feb 2007, 09:47
Indeed, it was a great episode. A lot more concentrated on a particular group of characters which I enjoyed more than I thought I would. It raises a lot of expectations for the next episode, I'm hoping next Sunday we see a lot more answers and a few less questions and spins. What with Linderman finally being reached and everything.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Fiddler on 27 Feb 2007, 14:31
I didn't think I'd like the focus on just a few characters either, but it really did turn out pretty well.  I think next week's show is going to be a little better though that little preview of Simone standing up after getting shot was cool, a little convenient, but cool.  It'd be cool if she had the same healing power as Claire just because we haven't actually seen two characters with the same power, even in the same family.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: BillAdama on 01 Mar 2007, 21:27
RNA takes the form of a single helix, but it is not one strand of a DNA double helix.  The difference between DNA and RNA is basically, DNA has an H group somewhere RNA has an OH group.  (Hence, deoxyribonucleic acid).

This week's episode of Heroes raised the general awesomeness level of the show more than any other individual episode.  Heroes seems to get better and better as it goes on.  The first three or four episodes were kind of lame, but then starting with future-Hiro's appearance to Peter it was quite good, by the end of the run in January I was seriously into it, and after last week I think it passed House and 24 as my fourth favorite show currently on television.

They keep referring to 'the final chapters'.  I wonder if every season of Heroes is going to be a different 'book' or something.  I think I like that setup, because it means most of the questions raised in any season will actually be answered that season.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: thepugs on 02 Mar 2007, 07:06
I read an interview with one of the writers a while back and they have indeed stated that every season will end with the major season questions answered, and that every season will be like a new book completely.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lukeypoo on 02 Mar 2007, 10:54
That comes as a huge relief to me, I think I'd shit a brick if I had to wait even longer to see what exactly goes down for Peter or whatever the 'bomb' will end up being to go off. Ever since they've shown Peter exploding, I've been skeptical that it will infact be Peter exploding do to Teds powers, I smell a twist with him somehow sacrificing himself to save everyone else. Either way, I'm sure Peter will be dead at the end of the season or something terrible will happen to him.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: guywithoutsocks on 02 Mar 2007, 11:22
Slight thread derail:

This isn't completely relevant to discussion but might interest some of you.  For readers of The A.V. club, there's a short interview with Greg Grunberg, the actor who plays Matt Parkman.  He doesn't talk about the show much, just in the last portion of the interview.

On-topic:

I agree that Peter causing the explosion by mimicking Ted's incendiary powers seems too obvious a conclusion at this point.  It may very well be how things play out, but it seems like we (the viewers) are intentionally being led in that direction.  In any event, I'm also glad that there will be some conclusion to this story regardless of the future of the show.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ladybug on 02 Mar 2007, 17:49
Either way, I'm sure Peter will be dead at the end of the season...
I really hope not. That would suck.

I think, at least. They've surprised me before, though.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: doki on 02 Mar 2007, 19:09
when i started watching i was quick to dismiss this as an X men ripoff with the genders reversed, but the characters kept me watching.  i've seen up to the episode that ends with Hiro getting on a bus (driven by Stan Lee no less) and leaves Ando behind.

Best moments/secrets
The revelation of Claires Biological father
the hatian damaging Mrs Bennette
HRG interrogating Matt
Peter's girl getting shot by Issac

Upcoming predictions
I think Syler is gonna get to Radiation Dude before Peter does
Hiro needs no sword, he can do it himself, he just won't cause he's scared
Syler Vs Nikki/Jessica

also, everything Issac has drawn has come true.  EVERYTHING.  which translates to "nothing can stop the bomb".  I cant wait until my freind scores me the next episodes
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Fiddler on 03 Mar 2007, 11:34
Either way, I'm sure Peter will be dead at the end of the season...
I really hope not. That would suck.

I think, at least. They've surprised me before, though.

icky quote tree's i know, im sorry

But on to the topic, we know Peter isn't going to die until he at least receives a pretty prominent scar on his face.  We know this because future Hiro told Peter on the subway something like "I didnt recognize you, you look different without the scar."
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 04 Mar 2007, 17:53
whatever happens, i don't think peter is going to die.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Pegasus King on 04 Mar 2007, 22:37
I've been following the show religiously since the first episode.

Though, come to think of it, I did miss last weeks.

For some reason, it throws everything at you at once, instead of making it you wait weeks and weeks to get answers (and even though, very dismal answers). I love the "kick-in-the-face" effect it has.

I hope Peter doesn't die. He'll turn out to be such a badass.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: doki on 04 Mar 2007, 23:26
peter is not gonna die

new york is gonna blow, but peter is not gonna die
Nathan might die, he hasn't been up to much besides a foil for peter.
The cop's wife is dead, thats near enough to a sure thing.
Ando will either come back or die
and Micah will die too
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lukeypoo on 05 Mar 2007, 15:16
Holy crap last nights episode was awesome. It had everything I love about the show and more. Some real progress was mad ein the storyline. The showdown it ends with left me absolutely screaming for the next episode.  I don't know how many others saw it but I want to say something so don't read the following.
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The scar Hiro refers could now be the scar Sylar gives him at the end of the episode. Or it could be from the explosion, but I don't see how they could just destroy New York City like that in a show. But as mentioned before, trhis show is full of surprises.

Oh and the new Hero (Candice?) that creates illusions is a very interesting addition. I'm so excited for the next episode.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 05 Mar 2007, 19:03
I figured she was a shapeshifter.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 05 Mar 2007, 19:11
I HATE her. She is mean. She needs to get her butt kicked big time. Sylar vs. Peter = hella awesome fight, I can feel it.

But now we have to wait over a month for a new episode. BOOHISS.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Narr on 05 Mar 2007, 19:28
I have never seen this show until tonight.

Now I need to make up lost time.  D:

SOMEBODY HELP ME PLZ
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 05 Mar 2007, 19:48
http://www.nbc.com/Video/rewind/full_episodes/heroes.shtml

It's just better to watch them, so you don't miss all the awesome.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Tyler on 05 Mar 2007, 20:30
Peter better kick some Sylar ass next episode. Mohinder looks like he is done for. They seriously need to find someone with healing skillz.

Also, Hiro awesome factor just tripled, and I am so happy Ando is back though I am quite certain he is going to die.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 05 Mar 2007, 20:49
Why Ando?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Tyler on 05 Mar 2007, 21:40
Hiro seems like the solitary type in the future version that comes back to warn Peter. I am also guessing that most of the heroes that will continue to play an important part in the story line will lose the non-heroes closest to them. Claire's foster parnets, the cop's pregnany wife, etc. Simone = dead. Mohinder's daddy = dead.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: guywithoutsocks on 06 Mar 2007, 06:07
Interesting episode last night, a lot of things happened.  I still think "Company Man" is the strongest episode of the series so far, but "Parasite" was pretty good in its own right.  I'm glad that some things were finally resolved, like Linderman's appearance and Hiro regaining his powers, though I think the sword is just Hiro's magic feather, so to speak.  Ando showing up to help Hiro was great; Nathan and Hiro are such opposites that it's fun to see them interact.

The new hero (Candice?) is really unpleasant.  The 'I like your hair' comment seemed odd when it happened, but was one of those 'Oh!' moments later on.

It does seem like we're weeding out the non-hero characters in a hurry.  I'll be curious to see if Mr. Bennet/Mohinder return.

SIX WEEKS GAH!  Somebody please remind me to make sure my TV works sometime before then.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 06 Mar 2007, 10:28
Hey guy.
Make sure your TV works before Heroes returns in 6 weeks.
:D
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: guywithoutsocks on 06 Mar 2007, 11:10
I blame myself for not being more specific.

I mean, uh, thanks.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 06 Mar 2007, 15:47
Nah, I would'a done it even if you had been more specific.
It's how I roll.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Fiddler on 07 Mar 2007, 10:00
Oh man, theres no way Ando can die.  I could see them making him a really interesting character because he has a really unique perspective on this whole situation.  He has no superpowers, that we know of anyway, so in some respects he's in over his head.  On top of that everything that made up his life prior to all this is back in Japan.  It's interesting to see how his character has developed already.  He went from being Hiro's goofy best friend who's reaction to everything was basically "This is so cool" and just tagging along for fun to someone who's really there to support and help Hiro with his goals.  It's even more interesting because as Hiro has gone on his journey to become a real hero, Ando has actually grown and changed into more of a hero himself by his example.  I really think the two of them are just going to become a little super-team over time, even if Ando never has powers.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 07 Mar 2007, 21:26
What if Ando becomes Hiro's Lex Luthor? =o
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TTK on 16 Mar 2007, 23:26
Goooo Hiro! :D
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 20 Apr 2007, 20:42
I'm so glad this is back on Monday.

We get more info on the golden age heroes as well as Candice vs. Bennet and Sylar vs. Peter, Part 2.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 21 Apr 2007, 08:17
Been waiting long enough!
Love this show <3
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Aimless on 23 Apr 2007, 06:04
I'm getting fidgety... won't be able to see it until tomorrow >_< considering seeing Parasite again tonight.

That shapeshifter is incredibly irritating. I think they really coulda done without 'er. It's not like they really needed ANOTHER woman with a tight bod and a penchant for hot outfits :o
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 23 Apr 2007, 06:22
I'm not sure any show ever really has enough hot women in skimpy outfits.



Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 23 Apr 2007, 08:08
Yes they do.

I am really excited! I really really want to know what happened in the Sylar vs. Peter fight.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 23 Apr 2007, 09:19
I want to know how peter can have a scar.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Aimless on 23 Apr 2007, 12:37
Maybe future-Hiro comes from a timeline where Peter didn't meet Claire?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 23 Apr 2007, 13:13
I really hope not. I've seen enough bad time travel stories to last me a life time.

In fact I don't recall any of them getting it right.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 23 Apr 2007, 19:06
Oooooooh, shit. I'll save spoilers for after you west coasters see it, but DAMN! That was an episode worth the hiatus.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 23 Apr 2007, 19:12
Way worth it. I'll say more later, but I kind of wish the fight had been longer. Also, I am not happy with Mohinder.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 23 Apr 2007, 19:16
Judging by older previews, I think there's more of a fight to come. Also, you can't be hating on Mohinder, he was trying to contact someone else.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 23 Apr 2007, 19:19
Peter's a dumb ass.

Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 23 Apr 2007, 19:21
Huh?

I'm not hating, I'm just disappointed. And shapeshifter girl (Candice?) needs to be slapped or something. I still hate her.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 23 Apr 2007, 19:22
yeah she's a bit too smug.

though I think she's pissed off the wrong person this time.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 23 Apr 2007, 19:27
She's a total bitch, but dammit, she is so hot. Isn't it always the way?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Aimless on 24 Apr 2007, 05:35
... must... see... now... can't wait till tonight to see with mates... must... betray... trust...
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 24 Apr 2007, 18:33
I'm so glad Mohinder's not dead.  I could see Peter's return from a mile away but whatever.

I am almost certain New York's going to explode now.  The only question is whether it'll be Ted, Peter, Sylar, or someone different.

And in the 'whatever happened to?' files:  Audrey, Zach, The Haitian, Claude....
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 24 Apr 2007, 20:27
Audrey left because she got fucked by Parkman's screw-up with Primatech. Not to mention, it'd be kind of hard to get her any screen time with Parkman having been locked up by the Companys for the last couple episodes. She is, allegedly, supposed to show up again by the end of the season.

Zach left the show because of the ambiguity of his sexuality. He was originally intended to turn out to be gay, but his agent was having none of that, so he left the show. Beyond that, once again, Claire's current storyline, overall, eliminates the possibility of Zach being around.

The Haitian is probably off doing something else. He was just in the last episode, I wouldn't think much on it. He DOES have to keep a low profile considering the company is now probably on his ass.

Claude, as you may or may not recall, left because Peter led the Company right to him (Albeit unintentionally). Being invisible, it's easy and sensible enough for him to disappear, so to speak.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 25 Apr 2007, 13:19
Anyone else think that Bennet is still working for Linderman?

I mean he knows that New York is going to blow up, he's seen Issac's paintings. He knows that a Meta human is going to cause the explosion, so what is he doing? he's taking a man who can blow up to A city destined to be blown up?

How does this make sense?

and does anyone else think his escape was a little too easy?

Why does he want to destroy the tracker?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 25 Apr 2007, 13:23
I don't think so. You can't lie to a telepath. Parkman would be on to him way too quick and there's no way Parkman would stick with him if he was doing anything suspicious like pulling the Japanese trick again.

Your point does make some sense, but there's that one glaring hole. Parkman's got his problems, but he's a pretty damn smart and an easily underestimated guy.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Aimless on 26 Apr 2007, 02:55
Maybe Ted will EMP the tracking device? :| I am really curious as to how Micah will be able to salvage Linderman's plan.

Also, who've we seen on the show that may be a part of the group of people that Linderman first worked with? Mrs. Petrelli, sure. Hiro's dad? Who else? Surely not Mohinder's dad?

And what the HELL is up with Sylar's special voice??
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 26 Apr 2007, 06:02
As far as Micah's concerned, I have a strong suspicion that flows niceley into the first part of that statement. Seeing as how Linderman has his paintings of the future, he might know about Mr. Bennett's plan to take down the tracking device, which might be a big part of his plan (Which he stated was unraveling previously). Micah, being a technopath, could easily repair it.

I get the strong feeling that Mr. Petrelli probably had powers of some sort as well, judging by both Peter and Nathan having powers. I'm all but convinced that either he was a precog like Isaac (By the fact that Linderman mentioned that it was multiple artists that did his paintings and Angela seems to have a good working knowledge of certain events, but didn't know Peter would "die.")

Charles Deveaux (Simone's father) also strikes me as a likely probability (Considering the importance of his building).

As far as Sylar's voice, I'm not sure. Before anyone suggests it, it's not Eden's persuasion power. The writers already confirmed that he didn't get her power due to her suicide. They'll probably go into that in the last three episodes of the season.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 26 Apr 2007, 08:57
The comics posted on NBC's website seem to strongly imply that Papa Petrelli did not have any special powers.

Though the last episode strongly suggests that Mama Petrelli does. She's probably the Precog, and the reason that Peter dreams about the future.

Shouldn't this also mean that Hiro's sister has powers?

The nature of the powers seems really strange as well. Hiro and Nathan were both adults before they even had a hint at their powers. yet Micha has powers as a child and also seems to be able to control them quite well. Why is that?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 26 Apr 2007, 09:08
Which comic implied that Mr. Petrelli didn't have powers? I've read all of them and I don't recall anything of the sort.

As for Peter dreaming about the future, a lot of hints have been dropped in interviews that that might have more to do with Charles Ceveaux.

I, honestly, don't think that Kaito Nakamura has powers. He may be working with Linderman, but I've got a feeling he's powerless. Even if he does, though, that's no guaruntee of powers for Kimiko.

As far as the latter part, the others have less easy to come across powers. Hiro has the most complicated ones and I doubt he EVER would've stumbled upon them if he wasn't a comic geek. Nathan's powers, likewise, are something hard to discover. Especially with his attitude.

On the other hand, Micah's always been a computer geek, allegedly, and it would stand to reason that he could easily stumble on his power by accident. Claire's is even more obvious, as regeneration is something that could come into obviousness early on.

This, however, doesn't explain people like Matt or Ted. Both of their powers manifested obviously, but late.

It could just be random coincidence. I doubt we'll get much of an explanation until season two.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 26 Apr 2007, 09:22
If at all. it could just be plot devices.

As for the comics. I took the fact that petrelli was shocked by Linderman's powers and the fact that there was no mention of him having any powers of his own as a fairly clear indication that he was normal.

I guess I certainly can be wrong about that. but I feel pretty good about that assumption.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 26 Apr 2007, 09:33
Well, there was no prior mention of Linderman or Angela Petrelli having powers, but both have been all but confirmed (I think it's pretty obvious with the hints towards Angela). Yet, Nathan didn't know either of them had powers. I fail to see your rationale.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 26 Apr 2007, 09:44
uhm, Linderman clearly had powers in the 6 part comic war buddies.

Linderman and Petrelli were in the war together. Linderman had powers, Petrelli, who was his commanding officer did not. Though he witnessed several people who did.

I somehow think he would have mentioned then that he had powers. unless by some chance they failed to manifest until after the war.

which is a possibility, but I find it highly unlikely.



Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 26 Apr 2007, 11:00
What's so unlikely about it? Neither Nathan nor Peter manifested their powers particularly early (With Peter supposedly closing in on thirty and Nathan, allegedly, being close to forty). Considering the fact that Nathan obviously wasn't born until after the war (According to the comic), he was probably floating right around his early thirties. If anything, this leads me to figure it's much more likely that he didn't manifest until a later age, like his sons. In that sense, he may even have had a more latent power that he never had the chance to discover before.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 27 Apr 2007, 11:58
I certainly admit the chance that I could be wrong. like I said, it's just the impression that I got.

it's also how the Company works, they team a meta with a normal. It seems logical that that structure would go to the top.

With Linderman and Petrelli being the founders of the company.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 27 Apr 2007, 14:35
A lot of the main cast had their powers manifest six months prior to the first episode, right?  As evidenced in the flashback episode.  Nathan, Nikki, Claire, Sylar, and Matt, for sure.  I can't remember.

That's bound to be relevant and not just a coincidence.  Also, there appears to have been a big gap between the golden age and silver ages of heroes.  With the only (so far) notable ones existing in between being Linderman, Claude, and the Haitian.  So what triggered the revival?

People used to think it had something to do with the eclipse in the first episode but since we know that a lot of people had theirs for about half a year before that, I guess not.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 27 Apr 2007, 15:02
Nikkie and Claire are the only two whose powers definitely manifested around the timeframe of six months ago.

Parkman appeared in Six Months ago, but his powers didn't manifest until the start of the show in the second episode at the Walker crime scene.

Nathan's powers are indeterminable. They may have manifested then or not, it's hard to say. His power's one that you wouldn't really notice until it came up.

Sylar's power allegedly manifested a long time ago. In Six Months Ago, he mentions that he's always had a knack for "knowing what makes things tick," which is essentially his power when broken down to the basic component. He'd never run into another powered individual before Brian and wouldn't know the other aspect of his ability until then.

Peter's power appears to have manifested at the six months ago point. He was having the dream vision during Nathan's crash.

Isaac's power didn't start to manifest in any obvious way until around the start of the show, if I recall correctly. Once more, his is kind of hard to pinpoint as it's one you would only notice by coincidence, but the obvious paintings started showing up around the advent of the show.

D.L. and Micah's stories have given no clear indication of when their powers developed. Micah's one of the best arguments for "since birth" as he's always been gifted with electronics, allegedly.

It would appear, at present, that there may actually be no predictable pattern as to when one's power manifests as per the show. Hana Geitelman's power required a catalyst in the comics. Zayne's powers didn't show up until a few weeks after (His powers manifested a few days before Zayne killed him, which was ten days before the explosion as it's a week to the explosion and Zayne was killed three days before Parasite). Linderman's showed up when he was a child, which had to be around forty years ago, depending on how old he was in 'Nam. Whatever the pattern is, they'll probably give us some detail sooner or later, but there's no specific ascertainable pattern quite yet.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Aimless on 28 Apr 2007, 05:32
Wait, had Peter been in contact with Simone's dad in Six Months ago??
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Xamira on 28 Apr 2007, 06:04

Nathan's powers are indeterminable. They may have manifested then or not, it's hard to say. His power's one that you wouldn't really notice until it came up.


He launched 30 feet into the air during the crash. Im pretty sure his powers had manifested by then.

Im excited about 5 years in the future. Peter looks like a bit of a bad ass.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 28 Apr 2007, 14:38
I dunno about that. He seemed pretty damn surprised by it and had absolutely ZERO control over it. He couldn't even get down at the time. I get the impression that's the first time his powers ever kicked in.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Xamira on 28 Apr 2007, 15:44
I dunno about that. He seemed pretty damn surprised by it and had absolutely ZERO control over it. He couldn't even get down at the time. I get the impression that's the first time his powers ever kicked in.

But the same could be said about all of them as none of them had any idea how to control their powers, And even so, In the case of Nikki, she didnt know she had powers because she couldnt remember.

I dont think there is any pattern as to when their powers manifest in their lifetimes, but from what we have seen, it is more likely for someones powers to manifest during their childhood if BOTH of their parents also have powers.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Aimless on 28 Apr 2007, 23:53
A question... just WHAT is future-Hiro's idea of "saving the world"??
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Apr 2007, 07:45
It would seem that, according to the comics and previews from next week's episode, his idea of saving the world falls down to stopping the bomb. Presumably, he didn't know that Peter could explode too, so he assumed stopping Sylar from absorbing Claire would stop the explosion. My only guess it that Sylar possibly intentionally triggered it knowing he would regenerate. Only have to wait until tomorrow for the Heroes equivalent of Days of Future Past, which should explain a good bit of Hiro's motivations.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Xamira on 29 Apr 2007, 08:43
Perhaps Hiro has finally discovered he cannot actually change the future but merely change the way it occurs. I.e. Charlie would have still died with or without Sylar. Same as she still acquired a Japanese phrasebook on her birthday in both scenarios.
It is possible then, in fact that 5 years into the future after repeated trips into the past and attempts at changing it etc he has learnt that he can only change the future to a certain degree and so his meeting of claire to "Save the Cheerleader, save the world" is simply to save peters life when he eventually explodes or when he fights sylar blah blah blah.

HOWEVER.

From other previews Ive seen it seems that Hiro's interference in the past is through misinformation because Bennet in the future believes that Claire is dead and so does Hiro. But she is in fact alive and with Nathan (Just with dyed brown hair). Then again maybe Claire apparently dies at a later stage and Hiro travelled too far back in time to give Peter the message, spurring the interference in Sylars plan to absorb claires power.

Its all so confusing.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 29 Apr 2007, 08:46
In the future, NYC's been exploded but Peter and Sylar are both seen.

So either Peter did explode, and lived.  Or who's to say it wasn't Ted?  He's so obvious as the choice that I'm almost thinking it's going to be him now.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Xamira on 29 Apr 2007, 08:52
Nope, in future NYC Peter says it was him. He also seems to lead some sort of resistance group.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 29 Apr 2007, 08:55
Hm.  That does make everything fit together then.

'Save the cheerleader, save the world'.  They saved her.  Allowing Peter to gain her powers.  Allowing him to survive the explosion.

But that logic says that NYC needs to explode to save the world.  Which is basically what Linderman said.

Hm.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Xamira on 29 Apr 2007, 08:59
As we can see from the future episodes, allegiances and personalities have majorly switched.

Then from another clip, Suresh is a presidential aide and says "What your asking me to do is Genocide!"

Is it possible then that Claire is the only one who can stop Nathan because she can get close to him and regenerate? Being that he is the president, can fly and most likely has bodyguards with powers.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Apr 2007, 10:37
I've given up on really trying to guess what they're going to do. Ninety percent of the time, they go and do something completely different and once I've forgotten what I thought would happen, THEN they go and do it. I figured Isaac was going to get killed in the episode where Simone got shot. I completely forgot about my thoughts on it and THEN they killed Isaac.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 30 Apr 2007, 09:57
I feel like I've missed an episode here.

Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 30 Apr 2007, 10:27
The next 7 1/2 hours are going to be fucking agony.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Xamira on 30 Apr 2007, 11:17
I have to wait until somewhere like dailymotion puts it up on tuesday.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 05 May 2007, 03:48
According to Future-Hiro, Peter needed to save the Cheerleader, to stop Sylar from receiving her healing powers, so that he could be killed, which according to him, is the only reason he's still alive.

SO

If Claire is actually still alive in the future... wtf is Sylar still alive?

AND

If Future-Peter did save Claire (since we know she's alive and well in the future), why did Future-Hiro need to tell Peter to save her?

Didn't Future-Hiro know Future-Peter would've saved her already?

OR

Is the version of the future we saw in the last episode, the version in which the Cheerleader was saved... but things turned out pretty much the same anyway?

ALSO

.. if Peter can heal, what's up with the scar?

(Haha, I wrote this kinda like a Chris Ware comic)
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 05 May 2007, 13:42
Well, Sylar's still alive in the future because he didn't explode, Peter did, and because Hiro hadn't told himself to kill Sylar yet.

In the future we saw, I suspect Peter did save Claire.  But Hiro2 had to tell Peter1 to save Claire1 because, when he went back in time, he hadn't.  In other words, the first FutureHiro we saw was from a different timeline than the new FutureHiro.  Because the new timeline was created after Peter saved Claire.  FutureHiro1 and FutureHiro2 are near-identical, though, because it didn't make the drastic change to the future that they were expecting.  (Akin to when Hiro tried to save Charlie.  Sometimes, no matter what you do, things turn out the same way.)

And I don't know what the deal with the scar is.  We didn't find out what caused it, did we?  My best theory right now is that it's penance.  He could heal himself and get rid of it, if he wanted.  But he chooses not to.  (Maybe in relation to him exploding and killing Ando and Micah and all them.)


Now the questions remain:  will Peter still explode?  Will Ted?  Will Sylar?  Can Hiro bring himself to kill Sylar if it means preventing the deaths of all those people, and Ando?  You'd think no, he's no killer, but FutureHiro is just PresentHiro after a lot of hard times.  And he was a killing machine.  So he has it in him.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Aztex on 06 May 2007, 02:56
i believe what has happend and will happen can't change. everything will happen and there's no way that it can be  "changed"
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 07 May 2007, 06:28
I think Peter will still explode, but I think Sylar will get killed this time. It's Sylar that causes everything to go wrong, not the bomb itself.

With Nathan in charge instead of Sylar, I think things will end very differently for everyone.

As for the past, I think Claire really did die the first time, Hiro obviously knew that Claire was alive and Future Hiro also knew that he never teleported into the future to meet himself, if he did, he would have known he was about to get shot.

In the original time line, Sylar blew up and Claire died.

In the new one, Peter blows up, Hiro and Sylar don't fight Sylar kills Nathan and DL and Candace (not in that order) and takes over the world

I figured that Peter was around the Hatiain when he got the scar. He may have been a guest of the government at that time and later escaped.



Though here's a question. Why didn't Sylar kill off the Haitian and take his power? then no one with powers would be able to touch him.

 
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 07 May 2007, 07:08
You kind of answered your own question. The Haitian would've just shut him down if he tried. The more time goes on, the more evident it seems that the Haitian's power is aggressive rather than passive, judging by the fact Parkman and Sylar could use their powers around him some of the time.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 07 May 2007, 10:06
He doesn't necessarily need to kill the Haitian using his powers though.

Also I would imagine that it would be fairly easy to put him at ease in the guise of the president. and then have something hit him from behind.

Which of course leads to a more interesting question. Does someone have to be using their power for Peter to absorb it? or can he absorb it from just being around them?

If the Haitian was blocking peters power with his, then of course Peter couldn't absorb that power. But if just being around someone who has a power is enough, then Peter could and probably should have absorbed the power at some point.

Why does the Haitian have two powers though, or are they different manifestations of the same power, Does he make you forget how to use the power while his "field" is on?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: doki on 08 May 2007, 00:18
like i've said before, the bomb is gonna blow

the bomb, ive resigned myself to believing is sylar.

lets look at a few things:

The preminition shows only those with powers, and Ando in the area at the time of the blast.  Empty New York?

we've all noticed Nikki's super strength.  what about Jessica's power?  what if Jessica is ACTUALLY Nikki's sister, using some kind of soul bonding power

as of yet, Nikki is yet to meet Peter.  if nikki, or more importantly Jessica meet Pete, then quite obviously he's gonna get their powers

If im right about the soul bonding, then peter could, theoretically, enter Sylar's body and trigger an explosion.

my only problem with this theory is Ted is still alive.  for this to happen, Ted has to die at sylers hand

OR

if pete has Jessica's power, he could lose his fight with sylar, accounting for the scar, Syler takes all his powers, pete takes sylar's body, he blows up,  then returns to his own body, which heals itself well enough for him to function normally.

hey, its possible
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 08 May 2007, 09:30
Pete Meets Niki well after the bomb goes off, he rescues her from prison.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 08 May 2007, 10:15
I think I finally understand the future episode and why things turned out the way they did.

Hiro went back and told Peter to save Claire so that Sylar wouldn't get Claire's powers so that Hiro could kill Sylar and prevent Sylar from exploding.

The problem was that Hiro didn't know that Sylar didn't explode, Peter did.  Because Nathan lied and told the world that it was Sylar who exploded.  Which is why saving Claire didn't prevent the explosion like he thought.  I think he was just coming to the conclusion that he needed to tell himself to kill Sylar when Hiro and Ando showed up and threw a wrench in everything.

What actually needs to be done to prevent the explosion now, I don't know.  Just kill Peter, Ted, and Sylar I guess.  Euthanize them.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 08 May 2007, 11:23
I'm pretty sure that the explosion happened exactly how Hiro said it did.

He went to the train to tell peter to save the Cheer leader, when he got back to the apartment, hiro was there.

Clearly this didn't happen before because Hiro wouldn't have been surprised by it. he would have been wating for himself to show up.

since Hiro went back in time, he still recalls the old time line while everyone around him switched to the new time line.

This time they saved the cheerleader, but the bomb still went off. that's because Peter blew up this time instead of Sylar.

all of Isacc's paintings have come true. there are forces (linderman and Co) working to ensure that the bomb goes off, they probably have a nuke set up just in case plan a and b don't work out. I'm pretty sure the bomb is going to go off no matter what they do.

the lynch pin is whether or not Sylar or Nathan will be there to shape the future.

If Hiro kills Sylar, then the bomb goes off and the world comes together in peace and harmony, if he doesn't then the world comes together in fear and oppression.

Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 08 May 2007, 13:42
Well, on the one end, odds are against Peter having blown up before Hiro approached him. If Claire had been killed, Mr. Bennet never would've betrayed the company, thus he never would've teamed up with Matt and Ted, thus he never would've led Ted to New York.

Fucking chaos theory...
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 08 May 2007, 13:47
I'm still not convinced that Bennet isn't leading Ted to New York on company orders.

why would he take a man who could explode to a city that's about to explode?

Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Blyss on 08 May 2007, 14:26
I have a hard time with Heroes - because I keep missing it when it's on, then I catch a couple of episodes on Sci-fi channel, then on NBC, then I get several repeats in a row - it's really confusing to watch that way.  I like it, but I just can't keep up with everything that's going on by watching it in such a fractured manner.

 :?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Aimless on 09 May 2007, 00:32
Okay episode, but, seriously, crappiest cliffhanger EVER.

Is Bennett gonna kill Molly, or adopt her? :o
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: doki on 09 May 2007, 01:14
so they are finally there.  well, most of them, Nikki and DL need to get there to complete the team, but they're mostly there in NY.  what's gonna happen? well:
its gonna explode

duh.

Patrelli, Syler or Sprague is gonna blow.  which means a little to a lot of people.  Peter has aquired Ted's power, but is in the wrong place to blow up.

Ted was drawn amongst the flames.  im not sure what that means, either he is responsible for it, or can take it, both are posible

Syler has officially lost it.  killing his mother like that.  *tsk tsk*

interestingly, and i picked up on this before but let it go,  Candice ISNT a shapeshifter.  it appears as though she can bend reality, much like hiro can bend space and time. 

Molly? i dont buy it.  her ability to find things aside, i dont think she can do it.  she is, however, a living list...

that it! she's gotta be bait!  if Syler can find people, like him, he can be totally satisfied, he can locate all of them, and feed on them.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Aimless on 09 May 2007, 03:30
Here's a thing though... in possible future, Hiro says he brought Molly Walker to Bennett. What the hell??
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 09 May 2007, 06:24
I'm still not convinced that Bennet isn't leading Ted to New York on company orders.

why would he take a man who could explode to a city that's about to explode?



Parkman's not a moron, he would've figured it out by now. If Bennet did have any ulterior motive, Parkman woould have picked it up in his thoughts in the course of the road trip all the way from Texas to NY. If he tried the thinking in Japanese trick, he would tip Parkman off to being suspicious and walked right out on him.

Beyond that, what would be the point of breaking him and Parkman out in the first place? The Company was moving Sprague to Linderman anyway, according to Matt. Breaking them out needlessly complicates matters. Not to mention, it would be a suicide mission for Bennet.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 09 May 2007, 07:52
Unless they have someone who can plant an idea in his head the same way the Haitian can remove them.

Bennet probably doesn't know he's working for Linderman.

Someone uploaded the whole plan into his head and he's just acting on it like it was his own idea.

Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 09 May 2007, 08:03
But that ignores the other point: why bother? What's the point of an elaborate and deceptive conspiracy plot where about eight million things could go wrong when you've already got him captured and ready to send to Linderman?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Pshha on 10 May 2007, 18:40
Man I burned through all the episodes up till 21 online in like a week. I have totally ODed on it but its such an amazing show. My cousin turned me onto it. I wanna finish this last episode then start speculating.

Has this been posted on in a while cause last post doesn't seem that all up to date?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 11 May 2007, 01:47
Obsessions posted the day before you. You can see the date & time it was posted.

I have to watch the last few episodes again.
It's getting really complicated, in my opinion, and I'm really hoping there's no crazy plot holes.

Also: How did Sylar move while Hiro had time frozen? I didn't like that at all.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 11 May 2007, 06:08
He didn't. Hiro broke his concentration when he had an attack of guilty conscience and lost control of his power for a moment, which is all Sylar needed.

He didn't like the idea of summarily executing what appeared to be a penitent man in cold blood.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 11 May 2007, 11:19
exactly, Hiro doesn't just flip a switch and stop time, he has to hold on to it. like flexing a muscle. it requires a certain amount of concentration.

he lost it.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 12 May 2007, 10:24
interestingly, and i picked up on this before but let it go,  Candice ISNT a shapeshifter.  it appears as though she can bend reality, much like hiro can bend space and time.

Yeah, they said before that she casts illusions.  I wasn't entirely sure what she did to Micah there.  I guess he did get out the door but she cast the illusion of the hallway and the manyd doorways so that every time he went through a new one, he was really going through the same one again.

I'm really liking how they're humanising the villains and making it more believable.  Nobody's really pure evil.  Jessica's a bitch but she cares about Micah.  Candice is a bitch but she doesn't want Micah to get hurt either.  Sylar's crazy but he didn't want to explode because he didn't want to kill all those innocent people.  And he just wanted to be normal.  His problem seems to be that his powers are taking control over him.  He started off just making a snowfall for his mom but, when the globes started orbiting around her, it was like he was losing control again.

I don't see how he can explode if he doesn't want to, though.  Just don't kill Ted and eat his brains.  Easy enough.  Although next week a hero dies, supposedly.  So maybe he will kill Ted.

Do the Corporation want Sylar dead or not?  I'm not clear on that.  At the beginning of the ep, they made it sound like they didn't.  Then they brough Mohinder to cure Molly.  To use to find Sylar?  Or to use to find anyone they don't get along with?  The latter is far more sinister.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Pshha on 12 May 2007, 17:59
I just finished the 21st ep tonight, and I'm looking foward to speculating so here goes.

I'm assuming the corporation may not even know what they want to do with sylar, but I think they'd just rather have control over him. No more murders and stuff. Also it seems they didn't want him dead cause I recall the ep when Mr.Bennet was holding him in that prison, and the management said not to kill him.

Yeah it makes Shows/Movies/Books alot more interesting when they make no one pure villains.

Where did you get the rumor about a hero dying?

The way last ep ended, I couldn't tell weather he had started to get the nuke powers under control or not when it went to the credits.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 13 May 2007, 09:44
He's clearly going to get them under control.  Ted will say something and he'll be fine.

And Wikipedia says someone dies next week.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Pshha on 13 May 2007, 11:45
Wow wikipedias a beast. Your probably right, and no ones supposed to explode till after the election by anyones count.


I was checkin out heroes on wikipedia and I found something pretty amusing.

On October 2, 2006, Emerson Electric Company, an appliance market competitor of NBC's owner General Electric, filed suit in federal court against NBC. The suit was in regards to a scene that appeared in "Genesis", the pilot episode, which depicts Claire Bennet reaching into an active garbage disposal unit—labeled "In-Sink-Erator"—to retrieve a ring, and severely injuring her hand in the process. Emerson claims the scene "casts the disposer in an unsavory light, irreparably tarnishing the product" by suggesting serious injuries will result "in the event consumers were to accidentally insert their hand into one."

...Lol.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: doki on 13 May 2007, 16:12
i dont think syler has the option of not taking ted's powers.  he's a god damn junkie.  he won't be able to resist
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Pshha on 14 May 2007, 13:49
Yeah hes totally flipped now that he...

*SPOILER*


Killed his mom.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 14 May 2007, 18:01
Jesus Christ, they're dropping like flies.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Pshha on 14 May 2007, 19:17
Landslide was one of the most amazing episodes yet. I cannot wait for the finale, I am assuming its going to be longer then usual 1 hour
or so. Dear god still in shock of the episode. Kinda sad about that one guy.


Yeah dropping like flies is pretty accurate. I assume even more in the finale.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 14 May 2007, 20:42
Since the episode with Hiro in the future, I've been pretty confused.
That's not the show's fault, I'm sure... but is anyone else having a hard time following now?

Also, I thought Sylar didn't want to blow up the city, and was purposely avoiding Ted.
So the scene in tonight's episode didn't make sense to me, unless, like Pssha said, he's just snapped completely.

Anyways.
Hiro learned to use the sword pretty fast. Nice.
I liked the story of the dragon, and I'd like to see more of the history with Hiro's dad.

I think Ando reacted strangely... then again if I knew my future like he does, I'd act strangely too.

I agree this was the best episode in a long time.
The illusionist woman is turning out to be a better character than I thought.

Argh... must limit what I say for fear of spoilers lol...
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 14 May 2007, 20:55
It was pretty clear in "The Hard Part" that Sylar completely snapped when he accidentally killed his mother, whom he'd done everything in his power to impress. Couple that with some of Isaac's last words to him: "You can't fight the future" and Sylar is off the edge and wants to trigger the events leading to putting him in the White House (Which he's aware of with Isaac's power).

As far as Candice goes, I was all but convinced that the hot look she has was actually an illusion to begin with and this episode all but confirmed it for me. Lounging on a couch, eating fries and bitching about the cruel things people do to those who look different or unattractive. The real Candice is most assuredly a fuckin' beast.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 14 May 2007, 21:01
Yup. I picked up on that right away. The "way people look" comment made it definite.

After tonight's episode, I still can't figure out how Sylar would survive it if he was the one that explodes.

Also, Peter saying "NO WAIT" was kind of funny. He's crying wolf a lot with this whole exploding thing.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 15 May 2007, 06:05
Well ted survived without getting burned when he was roasting the bennet house.

he still has all his hair and is not scarred from head to toe, so I would have to think that he's immune to his own power, as is sylar now.

which would make the fight between Sylar and Peter all the more interesting.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 15 May 2007, 06:53
Well, we know that the future we saw is now not going to happen.  Or at least not exactly that way.  Because, in the future, Sylar had DL's powers.  No chance of that happening now.


Also, this is way cool:

Heroes: Origins miniseries (http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-nbcupfronts-heroesorigins,0,5536579.story)
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Aimless on 15 May 2007, 07:08
God what an episode... just... omg the finale is gonna own so hard.  Can't quite believe there's just one episode left! :(

I, too, am getting to like Candice's character :)
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 15 May 2007, 09:28
The thing that bugs me about Candice is this:  she's not a shapeshifter (a la Mystique), she's an illusionist (a la Mysterio).  Alright, that's cool.

But how come her voice changes when she changes her appearance?  If all she's doing is creating an illusion (bending light like Micah inferred), then she should have to physically try and speak in a different voice.  But when she pretend to be Mrs. Bennet, she sounded so much like her that her own husband didn't know the difference.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Blyss on 15 May 2007, 09:32
Okay, so I'm watching Heroes on NBC.com now - so that I can catch every episode, and finally get caught up.

:p
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 15 May 2007, 10:28
FYI, Mysterio was never a real "illusionist" per se. He just used props. Her power is more similar to the old X-Men villain Mastermind.

She never quite confirmed that Micah was correct. I get the impression it's more a mental power than light bending. She mentiones that she'd show Bennet thinks that would make him want to claw his own eyes out. If it were just light-bending, one could just close their eyes and rely on instinct. She probably uses her illusion powers on the mind, rather than the actual surroundings, so as to fool all the senses.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Pshha on 15 May 2007, 14:50
That actually makes alot of sense obsessions. Yeah I totally thought when candice said that one comment about eating alot and stuff like that , the next second she would morph into this huge person, also probably of some color too, with the comment about peoples color.

That origins thing looks pretty cool.

I don't know if this is just me but I really, really, really wanna see what hiro's father and the petrellis mother powers are? Theres a few others who are supposed to have powers I think.

Sylar really pisses me off now.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 15 May 2007, 21:02
Well she did say "How do you know this isn't how I actually look?" in the voting booth area.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Pshha on 16 May 2007, 07:18
Hahah yeah, but then again why would she use her true identity at anytime lest she be recognized from when she didn't have her powers? Especially on a pretty important mission.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: doki on 16 May 2007, 17:14
fucking nathan

there i was all hopeful of him being a non tool, and snapping out of it, last minute redemption, but no.  he has to fall in line

I'm glad to see Mr Nakamura has faith in his son

The one thing i still dont get is from the future episode.  If Claire was still alive when Hiro stabbed Syler, why didn't he die?

the fight is gonna be something special btw, PAtrelli Vs Syler
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 16 May 2007, 20:18
Yeah, the Claire/Sylar/Hiro thing didn't make sense to me either.

My only guess was that Linderman heals Sylar after Hiro eventually stabs him... but... yeah.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 17 May 2007, 06:02
Gah! Am I the only one paying attention?

The reason Sylar didn't need Claire's powers is because Hiro never stabbed him. In the original timeline, the events went as follows:

Sylar kills Claire--->everyone collects in NYC (Minus Ted, he presumably bites it beforehand)--->Hiro stabs Sylar--->Sylar regenerates and goes splodey

Then future Hiro went back in time to warn Peter, the following resulted:

Peter rescues Claire--->Hiro accidentally transports five years into the future/

At this point, the timeline is broken with Hiro stuck in the future. With Hiro scared to travel back in time again, he's not present at the explosion to stop Sylar. This is the timeline that occurs if Hiro doesn't stab Sylar. With Hiro back in the present, this aspect changes. As evidenced by Future Hiro's confusion at present Hiro's arrival in the future, that was never supposed to occur and was an anomoly likely created by his warning to Peter. From here it gets VERY confusing and VERY complicated. It will likely be cleared up in the next episode or next season.

I've learned a lesson from reading Days of Future Past, Crisis on Infinite Earths and watching Back to the Future: don't think too much about it. Your brain will self-destruct.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Pshha on 17 May 2007, 17:28
I was confused LONG before I imagine I was supposed to be. That actually cleared up alot though. There are an immense amount of theories about how time travel and such, laws, would work out. Its hard to determine which one a movie or book or TV show is going by.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 17 May 2007, 17:37
Fortunately for me, I've been reading comics for about fifteen years now. With multiple people involved heavily in the industry involved in this show, it's mostly comic book rules that seem to apply, so I'm in my element with this.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: axerton on 18 May 2007, 08:02
I'm only watching this show as it comes out in austrailia ( just saw matt and ted arive at Bennet household) but i just want to throw my theroy down in writing, though it may have already been debunked. Nathan dies. Then Peter meets niki and copies her power to channel jessica and revives nathan within himself.
That would be cool.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: doki on 18 May 2007, 08:14
Gah! Am I the only one paying attention?

Sylar kills Claire--->everyone collects in NYC (Minus Ted, he presumably bites it beforehand)--->Hiro stabs Sylar--->Sylar regenerates and goes splodey

Then future Hiro went back in time to warn Peter, the following resulted:

Peter rescues Claire--->Hiro accidentally transports five years into the future/

At this point, the timeline is broken with Hiro stuck in the future. With Hiro scared to travel back in time again, he's not present at the explosion to stop Sylar. This is the timeline that occurs if Hiro doesn't stab Sylar. With Hiro back in the present, this aspect changes. As evidenced by Future Hiro's confusion at present Hiro's arrival in the future, that was never supposed to occur and was an anomoly likely created by his warning to Peter. From here it gets VERY confusing and VERY complicated. It will likely be cleared up in the next episode or next season.

I've learned a lesson from reading Days of Future Past, Crisis on Infinite Earths and watching Back to the Future: don't think too much about it. Your brain will self-destruct.

that doesn't explain to me how Claire is still alive in the future.  I mean, if future Hiro believed that the reason Syler regenerated was Claire she would have to be dead.  she wasnt, she was waitressing.  Not only that, Bennet knew about her (he went to see her), so even if she had been saved in the past and reappeared in her future, then the explosion would already have been avoided, right?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 18 May 2007, 10:07
No, you're not paying attention.

It's been made pretty clear that Claire's rescue resulted in Peter becoming the bomb in that future. In the original timeline, it was Sylar. If Hiro never warned Peter, the following would not have happened:

Claire would have died.
Bennet never would've betrayed the company.
Bennet wouldn't have sprung Ted and brought him to NYC.
Peter wouldn't have met Ted and gotten his power.

Sylar was the bomb in the original timeline. With Peter's rescue of Claire, he has becomes the bomb.

Some other small things have changed, like the timing of Isaac's death, Sylar's capture (Sylar was never captured by the company originally). Watch Five Years Gone again and read some of the online comics at their website. You've apparently glossed over some details they're mentioned repeatedly.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Blyss on 18 May 2007, 12:33
Am I the only one that went to the website after seeing the card that Bennett gave to Mohinder?

www.primatechpaper.com

I applied for a job.

Waiting for them to contact me.

 :-D
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 18 May 2007, 13:38
No, you're not. You've got a long and complicated little bit ahead of you.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Blyss on 18 May 2007, 14:28
Rawk on!!
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ben yayayayayayayay on 18 May 2007, 21:16
I hate Micah's jerry curl, also his voice. They should kill off Micah  :-(
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 19 May 2007, 12:26
You're a child racist.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 21 May 2007, 16:59
That was pretty great.

Everything tied up nicely.  I liked the ambiguity of certain things.  And there's still a bunch of questions to be answered, while not hundreds like Lost tends to do.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Pshha on 21 May 2007, 19:07
Am I the only one that went to the website after seeing the card that Bennett gave to Mohinder?

www.primatechpaper.com

I applied for a job.

Waiting for them to contact me.

 :-D


Considering it's on the NBC website I'm pretty sure its a joke.



That was amazing, I SO want to find out what the hells going on though. It left alot of cliffhangers.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 21 May 2007, 19:08
Oh, SNAP!

Also, nice to finally get HRG's name!
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 21 May 2007, 19:13
Spoiler alerts are in order here.

Looks like Candice doesn't have a secret image she covers with an illusion.
When she was KO'd it would've dropped.

I liked the ending, even if I could find some problems with it.

Like, why did Sylar let Hiro do what he did? Hiro didn't even stop time to do it.
Why didn't Peter just take himself where Nathan took him?

Both too distracted I suppose.

I was fascinated when the little girl who can find people said there's one guy who can see her when she sees him. That should be an interesting story line.

To be honest, I'm glad the blowing-up-New York story line is over.

Or is it?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 21 May 2007, 19:29
I was just about to mention that those of you who guessed Candice really did look like that were right.

With Sylar, notice looking back at older episodes, Sylar needs his concentration to use his powers properly. When Parkman shot at him, he put him down briefly since Sylar was caught by surprise. When Noah (We can call him that now, yay!) shot him, he actually connected with a shot or two, because he caught him by surprise. Sylar's not entirely familiar with Hiro's powers and most likely didn't expect a little Japanese dude with a samurai sword to pop out of nowhere while he was fighting Peter and stab him in the gut. He knows he can teleport, but that's about it.

With Peter, I'd say it was definitely a matter of concentration. He was using everything he had to hold the explosion at bay. If he concentrated to remember Nathan's abilities and utilize them, he'd have lost control and blown right then and there.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Tyler on 21 May 2007, 20:16
Obviously Mr. Telepathic guy who can see people thinking for him is the season two main enemy, though Sylar will obviously still be around for shits and giggles.

Peter will show up a few episodes in for sure, but not at first so we think he is dead. Looks like with the back in time thing, we are going to get some sort of backstory with the symbol, or so I hope. Nathan will be dead, or so we think, til BAM, out of nowhere turns out he's alive. People like to not stay dead in this show.

Things that bothered me. WHY DONT YOU JUST SHOOT THE SHIT OUT OF PETER!?!?!?!. You pull the bullets out and tada! All better.

My season 2 predictions:
We get to see the Petrelli mom's powers, and they will be pretty impressive. There will be a big to do as mutants start becoming public knowledge. Cue up the X-Men plotline. After unsuccessful normal lives, the survivors of season one band together in some sort of superfriends deal.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ozymandias on 22 May 2007, 00:08
Considering it's on the NBC website I'm pretty sure its a joke.

Considering there's an 800 number that connects to a recording asking for a number, I think it's an ARG. Lost did one last year that was really well done and actually answered some questions about the show.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: guywithoutsocks on 22 May 2007, 06:32
What a great episode.  Things did seem a little rushed, particularly at the end, but even then things came together reasonably well.  Considering that the show couldn't just completely end, I feel like a fair amount of closure was acheived, and that some of the plot points for the next season were introduced without being too anticlimactic.  I don't expect that we've seen the last of the Petrellis or maybe even Sylar, though.

Overall, I'm glad I watched.  The last half-dozen episodes or so were really good, even if the audience had to put up with too much irrelevant Nikki/Jessica story to get there.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 22 May 2007, 07:05
ok here's my long shot theory for Mr bad evil guy number two.

Dr Suresh said he thought he found Patient Zero, Patient Zero would be the first person with powers. (though, are powers contagious? they seem to have dropped a few hints now indicating that they may be. but more on that later) He had a name nothing else really. Most of those names came from a DNA repository. We know that Sylar clearly isn't Patient Zero, if fact he is a member of the second generation (assuming that there haven't been heroes since the 1600s) Linderman, Angela, Simone's Mom, possibly Pappa Petrelli (though I still have my doubts) and possibly Nakamura senior make up the first generation. If there was a Patient Zero, then obviously he would be a member of this generation. And he would probably be quite powerful. So, here's the question, do we know the name of Sylar's father? Is it possible that Sylar's name is actually Gabriel Gray Jr.? Could Suresh have been looking for Gabriel Gray Sr. and came across his son by mistake?

Back to the powers, In the comics on NBCs home page, we see in Six Months ago, some people who at the time didn't have powers, running into people who did. Later, they developed powers themselves. Also in the comic, Linderman had powers, but Petrelli did not, but later it seems that Petrelli, at least according to Linderman, developed powers as well. So did he catch them? does using your powers on someone give them powers as well? if not then what was all that about?

Another theory of course is that Papa Petrelli is alive and well after faking his death, and is the big bad guy, though I doubt it.

Sulu is another guess, it would seem that at one time he was with Linderman, but now, he is working against him.

Or it's just someone we haven't met, Maybe the Samurai we saw at the start of Volume 2.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lines on 22 May 2007, 07:12
Things that bothered me. WHY DONT YOU JUST SHOOT THE SHIT OUT OF PETER!?!?!?!. You pull the bullets out and tada! All better.

YES. I was sitting there going, "Dude, you're stupid if you fly him up there and die. She's got a gun. Take the gun and shoot him."

I am looking forward to whoever it is who can see the girl when she tries to look for him. (I don't think it's someone that's been introduced or mentioned yet.) And I almost hope that someone stole Sylar's body vs. him still being alive, though that's probably not it. (I'm starting to get sick of him. I liked seeing his flaws when he was with his mom, but I'm bored with him now.) I really hope it doesn't get too much like X-Men though, because in the 5 years in the future episode, Nathan/Sylar wanted to exterminate them. Now that those two are "dead" and that won't be the future, there's still the possibility that they could have whoever ends up being president wanting to do it and I don't think it should be done.

About the post above, I'm not sure they are contagious necessarily, I think they just don't develop right away, but they do over time. It seems to be genetic, with the parents of the "heroes" having powers themselves. (Noah doesn't have any powers. If they had been contagious, he could have gotten them from Claire. Her real parents, however, have powers, as well as Peter and Mrs. Petrelli.)
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 May 2007, 11:20
Dr Suresh said he thought he found Patient Zero, Patient Zero would be the first person with powers. (though, are powers contagious? they seem to have dropped a few hints now indicating that they may be. but more on that later) He had a name nothing else really. Most of those names came from a DNA repository. We know that Sylar clearly isn't Patient Zero, if fact he is a member of the second generation (assuming that there haven't been heroes since the 1600s) Linderman, Angela, Simone's Mom, possibly Pappa Petrelli (though I still have my doubts) and possibly Nakamura senior make up the first generation. If there was a Patient Zero, then obviously he would be a member of this generation. And he would probably be quite powerful. So, here's the question, do we know the name of Sylar's father? Is it possible that Sylar's name is actually Gabriel Gray Jr.? Could Suresh have been looking for Gabriel Gray Sr. and came across his son by mistake?

Actually, there's a hole in that theory that cropped up in the ending that leads to a potential theory I have. For one, no one ever said patient zero meant "the first," it could be more an Alpha and Omega thing, the beginning and the end of the string, with Sylar and Peter representing those ends. Notice that there were absolutely no duplicate powers. There were some vaguely similar ones, but no two people at the same time displayed the same powers (Short of Peter's mimicry). I get the impression they took a lot of the idea from the comic Rising Stars, where there is a set list of designated powers. I think the "Patient Zero" line is more along that than an actual chronological order of manifestation.

Though, if your theory turned out to be true and it were a matter of chronology, Sylar could still, technically, be the first due to Hiro's accidental journey to the past. To our knowledge, Sylar's parents didn't have any powers. His mother, at the least didn't. Many of the others, particularly the ones visibly younger than Sylar, had clearly defined lineage with powers (To the point that Linderman was even manipulating family lines to produce Micah, ala Mr. Sinister). With Hiro's journey back to feudal Japan, the lineage splits elsewhere. Over the course of four hundred years, a family line can be completely diluted to the point of being physically unrecognizable, but still carry certain genetic traits. If Hiro were to have a child back in that era, Hiro could be the first historically while not literally being the first powered individual to have developed. This is a completely stretched theory and not something I entirely believe, I think it's 80% likely the "Alpha and Omega" concept," especially after Charles Deveaux's comments, but it is something to chew on.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Lukeypoo on 22 May 2007, 12:51
I smell a twist with him somehow sacrificing himself to save everyone else. Either way, I'm sure Peter will be dead at the end of the season or something terrible will happen to him.

Come on guys, you gotta admit I kind of called it...
I mean there's always him surviving and all that, but I'm pretty impressed with how close I was. I said that back on March 2nd!

He's obviously not going to be dead and will come back at some moment and everyone will cheer and smile at their tv sets.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 22 May 2007, 13:17
out of everything that happened in finale, the thing i am the most excited about is Hiro's trip to feudal Japan. that's the one thing that happened that i didnt predict ahead of time in some respect.
it was a total curve ball for me so i'm looking forward to seeing it played out.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 May 2007, 13:31
Come on guys, you gotta admit I kind of called it...

So, are you looking for a pat on the back or a cookie? With the eight million theories we've all thrown around on here and elsewhere, some shit's gotta eventually occur along those lines. I can name over a dozen things I predicted that happened versus many I predicted wrong. Welcome to the world of serialized fiction. Throw out enough theories and the occasional instance has to stick, it's just the law of averages.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Aimless on 22 May 2007, 13:42
SO not as good as the last episode. They needed a well-made extra-long ep to do it properly, not this mess of glued-together ideas! I'm satisfied (for getting some closure, for cute things like Hiro looking badass, etc) but not totally blown-away by this ep.

On the one hand I'm pissed off by the thing with Sylar, but, on the other hand, I've really grown to like the character and the actor, so I don't think i mind too much. I hope the other guy Molly mentioned proves to be a worthy successor.

The show still has my love :) can't wait for next season!

EDIT: Best thing about this episode. The best thing...

...

...

... NOAH!!! :D
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 22 May 2007, 15:46
Noah happens to be my brother's name.

I loved his reaction when he heard his name.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 22 May 2007, 17:24
I believe that Nathan's probably dead though they could easily explain that, just when Peter was about to explode, Nathan let go and flew off quickly, allowing Peter to go supernova in the sky and fall to the ground alone.

Parkman's probably not dead either.

Sylar's blood trail was interesting.  As was the cockroach sitting on the edge of the open manhole cover.  Is that a clue or just a comparison?

And Micah's totally going to be macking it up on his new sister.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: doki on 23 May 2007, 02:13

Sylar's blood trail was interesting.  As was the cockroach sitting on the edge of the open manhole cover.  Is that a clue or just a comparison?


in the first episode, Suresh was talking about the indestructability of cockroaches.  translation, Syler still alive

It's about time Nathan showed his balls.  I'm glad he went for that heroic style death (temporary tho it may be) and I'm glad everybody i thought was gonna survive did.

I'm putting it out that the one guy who molly can't find is the Hatian.  He's been gone a while and seems totally loyal to the Linderman group.

People who will return in the next series:
Peter, Duh
Claire's mother (basically ted, without explosive dangers)
Claude
That Dream Kid

also, Hiro = Kensei
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Blyss on 23 May 2007, 11:51
Well, I'm completely caught up now.

I have to admit, that I'm not totally impressed with the end.

There was a lot to like in the full series.  And I like that most of it flowed pretty well, with very few gaps.

However - it bugged me that episodes would end one way, and start up slightly differently.  They couldn't take the recorded ending, and start from there?  It also bugged me that Nikki and Hiro were both able to hit Sylar the way they were.  He had just stopped four bullets, and managed to not lose his grip on Peter - but he can't see Nikki coming, and can't stop Hiro?  Maybe I just missed it, but why didn't they show me that Hiro stopped time to stab him?  Was I just supposed to assume that this was going to happen?  Meh.

As for shooting Peter while he was going critical - might not be a good idea.  Look what happened when they shot Ted.  Boom.  I know that's what he wanted, but yeah - possibly sending him nuclear, not a great solution.

Yes, Nathan can let go of him in time to get away, we've seen how fast he can fly.

Yes, Peter can definitely survive the explosion, and the fall.

Yes, Hiro is most likely going to end up being Kensei. 

Sylar.

Hmmmmm.

When his eye rolled over, was it because he was utilizing Isaac's power again?  Or because he was dead?

If it's because he's dead, then indeed, someone had to pull him down into the manhole.  Otherwise, he could have crawled there himself.  Perhaps he saw it in the future.

So, if Sylar is alive - then let me get this straight:  Not one single hero actually died in the finale.  None. 

Peter - going to survive.

Nathan - easily explained survival.

Hiro - survived

Claire - survived

Parkman - questionable, but alive at the end of the show.

DL - questionable, but alive at the end of the show.

Nikki - survived - jessica too

Micah - survived

Molly - survived

Sylar - ???  unknown status at this point.

Isn't that interesting?

Even Ando is still alive, though he doesn't seem to actually have powers, besides bravery, and being in the right place at the right time for Hiro.

I guess I was expecting more of a finale for the 'finale'.

Oh well.  It's still entertaining, and I don't mean to imply that it isn't.

I just though it could have been a little better.

I'll still watch next season.  It's still one of the better series' on television.

Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 23 May 2007, 13:44
As far as Nikki and Hiro, getting the drop on Sylar, that's very easily explained and fairly obvious with his character, especially in Nikki's case.

If Sylar has one key flaw, it's that he's disgustingly arrogant and proud. That pride often puts him in an advantageous and intimidating position, but it absolutely fucked him there. Think of it this way, you're standing here in all your power and some wafish looking blonde woman walks up to you. Do you take her seriously if you're Sylar? He likes to toy with his victims. His thought process was probably along the lines of:

"WTF bitch? u kidding? OH SNAP! BITCH GOT THE ROID RAGE!"

He has to concentrate to use his more powerful abilities like telekinesis, when she walked up and tore the meter straight out of his hands, he was obviously taken aback, not much chance to block a follow through from a chick who's torn multiple men in half.

I explained the detail with Hiro already, but also after watching a second time, it all happened very quickly. He shows up, yells "Sylar" and gives him barely enough time to turn around before Hiro charged him screaming with a sword. Sylar was bloodied, battered and weakened. Most of the fight was gone out of him from and he had taken a serious beating from Nikki and Peter with Nikki's abilities. It all happened at a very fast pace and Hiro's already proven that he's faster than Sylar.

Also, watch that last shot in Sylar's eyes and the sinister smirk on his face AFTER he got stabbed. I'm not entirely sure he didn't know that was going to happen and almost looking forward to it. Fatalistic types are hard to decipher, just look at Kain of the Legacy of Kain series of video games.

According to creator Tim Kring, aat least one of them will in fact be dying. I think Nathan really is dead and I have the sinking feeling that Matt will pop up briefly only to die in the hospital after some vague closure with his pregnant wife.

Nathan's role is a lot harder to explain than some of you assume. Nathan's proven he's rather intelligent. He had no way of knowing when Peter was going to fully go critical and blow, if he dumped him, there's too much of a risk of him dropping back into the city too quickly and still causing massive casualties.

I'm worried about Parkman because, regardless of his powers, he took five bullets point blank in the chest and then sat in Kirby Plaza for at least five to ten minutes bleeding. He could survive, but it's going to be very much in limbo. He's my favorite character, but the only reason I can see him surviving is because his story seems far from over.

Also, just because it's the SEASON finale, doesn't mean it all has to be final. No intelligent writer or producer kills off the majority of their cast after the first fucking chapter, and that's what this is. They've got a rough plot outline of five years, and considering the staggering popularity, it'll be around at least that long. They've killed enough big characters (Simone, Isaac, Ted, Linderman, Thompson to name a few, and at least one of the limbo deaths will allegedly result in a KIA according to Kring), if they keep going, we have to start from square one with introductions. This was all just the first of many story arcs (Season two is set to encompass at least two, 'Generations' is said to only last to about mid-season), there's too much time left to go trigger-happy on such an excellent cast.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Blyss on 23 May 2007, 14:46
I didn't expect a massacre - just a little more than I got.  That's all.

Sylar was bloodied, battered and weakened. Most of the fight was gone out of him from and he had taken a serious beating from Nikki and Peter with Nikki's abilities.

Hmmm - so Does Peter now have a split personality?  Or just Nikki's super strength?

 :lol:
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: doki on 23 May 2007, 17:04
i'm hoping next season we get a decent explination as to what the hell happened to "The Organisation".  My guess is that Pappa Patrelli was killed by the others because, like Simone's father (who incidently was dying as well) he believed killing all those people was unnecessary.  Mamma Patrelli almost confirmed to have a power, and then we have Noah and Mr Nakamura who have shown no evidence of having powers, yet were included.  Hiro in Feudal Japan could be interesting, and I stand by that Syler is still alive.

My guess is Nathan being dead as apposed to Parkman or Peter.  Peter is quite obviously the story's protagonist, and Parkman needs closure still.  When Nathan died, like i said before, he went for a redemption death.  He saw his evil and died in pennance.  I dont Think its DL, i think he'll be ok

The only thing that still bugs me a little about the show is that fucking teaser at the end.  i mean its not like we weren't gonna see the next series, was it?  its like Pirates 2 where they just let it go into the sequel.  i'm sorry but that's a cheap ploy and i've always hated it

Also, Mrs Patrelli sleeping with Linderman?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: messeduplilkid on 24 May 2007, 01:11
i'm hoping next season we get a decent explination as to what the hell happened to "The Organisation".  My guess is that Pappa Patrelli was killed by the others because, like Simone's father (who incidently was dying as well) he believed killing all those people was unnecessary.  Mamma Patrelli almost confirmed to have a power, and then we have Noah and Mr Nakamura who have shown no evidence of having powers, yet were included.  Hiro in Feudal Japan could be interesting, and I stand by that Syler is still alive.

My guess is Nathan being dead as apposed to Parkman or Peter.  Peter is quite obviously the story's protagonist, and Parkman needs closure still.  When Nathan died, like i said before, he went for a redemption death.  He saw his evil and died in pennance.  I dont Think its DL, i think he'll be ok

The only thing that still bugs me a little about the show is that fucking teaser at the end.  i mean its not like we weren't gonna see the next series, was it?  its like Pirates 2 where they just let it go into the sequel.  i'm sorry but that's a cheap ploy and i've always hated it

Also, Mrs Patrelli sleeping with Linderman?

I dunno, reading the On-line Novels, Papa Patrelli seemed to very easily look at the bigger picture, sacrificing few to save many. However, Linderman did mention that Papa Patrelli was weak, perhaps he went soft later in life.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Xamira on 26 May 2007, 04:25
....

PETRELLI.


Sorry it annoys me when people spell their names wrong.
Carry about your business :)
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: alongwaltz on 26 May 2007, 13:44
Can I say what a cool name Peter Petrelli is?

It's old school Stan Lee with the character's first and last name starting with the same letter, making it easier to remember.  Plus alliteration is fun.  He's the only one on the show like that, though, I think.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ben yayayayayayayay on 26 May 2007, 15:15
I heard from NBC himself that Linderman's first name is Linda
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 30 May 2007, 10:03
I had a thought about super new bad guy.

We have someone who can read peoples thoughts, is it too much to think that there's someone who can read everyone's thoughts? Everyone at the same time? That would explain why when Molly thinks about him, she sees him looking at her.

It could make for an interesting bad guy.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ben yayayayayayayay on 30 May 2007, 17:13
You mean like...god?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: MattBurns on 01 Jun 2007, 06:03
yeah, but without the fire and brimstone and all.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 01 Jun 2007, 07:31
So, like Santa Clause, then?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ozymandias on 01 Jun 2007, 08:58
I'm gonna fucking kill Tim Allen.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 01 Jun 2007, 10:09
Tim Allen is a true American, and if you spell Santa's last name correctly, the terrorists have already won.

Nathan Petrelli is also a true American, in the interest of staying on topic. Also, Hiro Nakamura, because he's the underdog, and if we Americans like anybody, it's the underdog: like the Yankees or the Patriots or Superman.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Merkava on 01 Jun 2007, 13:15
It would suck if Nathan were gone for good. It thought he was the most interesting character, hands down. Every other character seemed certain about everything, Nathan had the classic ambiguity to him. Plus, the guy who plays him has incredible screen presence. He's on some other level in terms of acting.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: doki on 01 Jun 2007, 17:57
If Nathan comes back (and i really hope he doesn't) his character will be cheapened.  REDEMPTION DEATH people!
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Merkava on 03 Jun 2007, 13:55
If he thought he was going to die, whether or not it actually occurs doesn't affect the entirety of the act's selflessness.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: philosopherqueen on 15 Jun 2007, 14:55
I'm coming into this conversation late because I never really visit this part of the boards. Buth here's my 2 cents.

I loved the show all season, it's been one of my favourites by far (in fact I think it would be fair to say it out ranked all my older faves like 24, lost and prison break to take no.1).

I, like everyone else, absolutely ADORE Hiro, he is so awesome.

All that being said the finale was a HUGE dissapointment for me. They threw in so many hints at what the future may hold throughout the season and this was a total anti-climax for me I was so intrigued by Nathan becoming president and Sylar taking over as Nathan after killing the shapeshifter girl. Granted, they were all out to change the future but still... at least the final scene should have resembled the crowded street scene we kept seeing when we saw Peter explode. And then they could stop it somehow.

But most importantly, I hated the fact that Nathan flew Peter away as the "solution". First of all, Peter can fly, so why didn't he just fly away by himslef so Nathan wouldn't have to be sacrificed? Besides, it just seemes lame that in the end, Peter did get the power and that he wasn't able to control it. It just could have gone SO many different, and better, ways than this. And the way Sylar died was also anti-climactic, if he even is indeed dead. I just don't see the point of 90% of what was set-up throughout the season if this is how it ends. And the "teaser" for next season did nothing for me. Was that supposed to peak my curiosity and have me excited for another seasn of this, cause it failed.

I'm sad cause it was such an awesome show. I just hope Peter survived, which I think it's safe to assume and that Sylar didn't die either (which is more of a stretch but totally still possible) so that what we saw was not the end of the threat of a nuclear explosion and the future that we saw (Peter blowing up in a crowded street) could still happen. And maybe the new bad guy will be interesting (the one the little girl talked about).

Anyways, this was probably very incoherent and poorly expressed but I just had to vent.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 16 Jun 2007, 22:49
And time for another round of "Why is No One Paying As Much Attention as Jonathan?"

If they followed too far along the entire path of the future, it would've turned out boring. Too predictable and all that. Beyond that, we don't know for certain that that future's been averted. A lot of comic books (The primary influence of the show) go with a sense of unalterable destiny, as in no matter how many details you change, the end result still occurs (As an example, when Hiro traveled back in time, he ended up being the person who gave Charlie the Japanese instruction book, making it a cyclical issue).

I dunno what cro0wded street scene you're talking about. Not a single one of Peter's visions involved a crowded street. In fact, the streets were outright abandoned in each and every vision, shy of a handful of people who were all there (With the exceptions of Claude, who'd run off, and Isaac/Simone who were dead) at the time of the scene. The only difference was it was night instead of day, which has been explained by the writers as being due to the portions of the future that were altered (I.E. Isaac was killed earlier than foreseen, Claire was saved, etc...).

I keep having to point this out to people: Peter was about to explode and could not control his power! It was taking all of his concentration to keep it under control and he would have had to make an extreme lapse to fly up, up and away from the crowd. Odds are VERY heavy that if he tried, he would've exploded right then and there. Sure, it's possible he might not have, but knowing Peter's prior characterization, that is absolutely not a safe and plausible calculated risk. Even shooting him held a risk. Nathans actions really were the absolute only choice.

My main gripe with your argument is: "It just could have gone SO many different, and better." I HATE when people say that about a story. If it could've gone better, how would YOU have done it better? Note that I will mean no offense or malice when I viciously tear apart the likely rampant inconsistancies and the fact you have no idea where they plan to take the show.

Damn, I miss Heroes. Even more with how disappointing the season premier of Rescue Me (The absolute only other TV show I watch with any regularity) was to me.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: philosopherqueen on 17 Jun 2007, 12:18
And time for another round of "Why is No One Paying As Much Attention as Jonathan?"
OK, as I will acknowldge in the rest of this post, you make some valid points. But, really, you don't have to act so arrogant and cocky about it. That's just rude.

If they followed too far along the entire path of the future, it would've turned out boring. Too predictable and all that.
I agree, but I never said they should have followed it exactly, just that it deviated too far off course to even make sense. Why set us up with certain expectations only to dissapoint us in the end?

Beyond that, we don't know for certain that that future's been averted. A lot of comic books (The primary influence of the show) go with a sense of unalterable destiny, as in no matter how many details you change, the end result still occurs (As an example, when Hiro traveled back in time, he ended up being the person who gave Charlie the Japanese instruction book, making it a cyclical issue).
I mentioned this as well, it is exactly what I hope will happen as it's the only thing that will save the show in my mind.

I dunno what cro0wded street scene you're talking about. Not a single one of Peter's visions involved a crowded street. In fact, the streets were outright abandoned in each and every vision, shy of a handful of people who were all there (With the exceptions of Claude, who'd run off, and Isaac/Simone who were dead) at the time of the scene. The only difference was it was night instead of day, which has been explained by the writers as being due to the portions of the future that were altered (I.E. Isaac was killed earlier than foreseen, Claire was saved, etc...).
The way I remember it there were lots of cars on the street and people walking on the sidewalks, Peter was in the middle of the street, we see Mohinder getting out of a cab, Nikki is there, I think Sylar too, the cheerleader... but also lots of innocent bystanders. Exactly what one would expect a main street in New York to look like in the middle of the day.

I keep having to point this out to people: Peter was about to explode and could not control his power! It was taking all of his concentration to keep it under control and he would have had to make an extreme lapse to fly up, up and away from the crowd. Odds are VERY heavy that if he tried, he would've exploded right then and there. Sure, it's possible he might not have, but knowing Peter's prior characterization, that is absolutely not a safe and plausible calculated risk. Even shooting him held a risk. Nathans actions really were the absolute only choice.
I thought about this, I'm not stupid. I just still don't like it.

My main gripe with your argument is: "It just could have gone SO many different, and better." I HATE when people say that about a story. If it could've gone better, how would YOU have done it better? Note that I will mean no offense or malice when I viciously tear apart the likely rampant inconsistancies and the fact you have no idea where they plan to take the show.

Damn, I miss Heroes. Even more with how disappointing the season premier of Rescue Me (The absolute only other TV show I watch with any regularity) was to me.
I'm not a writer and I don't think I have to be able to come up with a better ending in order to be justified in criticising how it was written. That being said, I -- like anyone else -- had envisioned some possible scenarios of how things might have gone before the season finale. They could have made it so that Peter would be able to control his powers (that was the whole point of the invisible guy training him) but perhaps to be safe Nathan would fly off with him anyway and be a big hero only Peter would control it in time and there wouldn't be an explosion (still a possibility, actually, since I don't recall there being a big explosion in the sky, or am I wrong?). Or Peter could have at least had enough control to fly away himself. He could have avoided getting the power to begin with. I don't know... like I said I'm no writer, but the wrters on the show ARE, and good ones too. All I am trying to say in this post and the last is that I was left very dissapointed, that's all.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: TheBoredOne on 17 Jun 2007, 13:41
I'm pretty sure we saw an explosion in the sky.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: the-artful-dodger-rodger on 17 Jun 2007, 14:39
this is little off-topic but Sam Raimi's production company is currently trying turn Rising Stars tv-series.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 17 Jun 2007, 17:16
Off topic or not, if that happens and it follows the comic to a T (And is finitely contained, obviously), I will shit my pants in excitement.

Concerning the response to my post, no offense, but you just sound like someone looking for something to be let down by. The ending was logical and persistent with the overall plot of the season and worked pretty much perfectly.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: philosopherqueen on 17 Jun 2007, 22:29
To each their own I guess, I'm glad you liked it but the fact remains I found it anti-climactic. And no, the last thing I wanted out of my favourite show was to be left so dissapointed that I'm not sure I'm even going to keep watching next season.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ozymandias on 18 Jun 2007, 00:39
The ending was logical and consistent with the plot of the season.

So, from the very beginning of the season, the plot was heading towards a trainwreck of disappointment.

I prefer to think the season ended with "Your final thought." Anything afterward was epilogue.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: loyalpeon on 18 Jun 2007, 02:39
Long story short - I was on and off with Heroes all season long, it had it's low points, admittedly few, and had stretches of great episodes, especially as we neared the end of the season. I was really looking forward to the climax of the season, which I thought they'd built up very well.

Having said that, the final episode was the most dissapointing, flawed, finale to a season since... well, i can't think of a worse one. It just wheezed and whimpered into the off-season. There must be at least 10-15 unexcusable mistakes, either moments they should have done better (the whole fight and particularly Hiro's little 'swordplay' were unexcusably banal) or which can only be explained by twisting any sort of internal coherence the show might have had up to that point into such knots, such convoluted sequences of logic, that it becomes just plain silly.

Now I'm willing to wait till next season and see if anything becomes clearer, but I don't see how most of it can (unless Bobby wakes up in a shower or something...). Sigh... It was good and entertaining while it lasted.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: the-artful-dodger-rodger on 18 Jun 2007, 04:52
The ending was logical and consistent with the plot of the season.

So, from the very beginning of the season, the plot was heading towards a trainwreck of disappointment.

I prefer to think the season ended with "Your final thought." Anything afterward was epilogue.

I so agree, this season wasnt the epic showdown between Good vs Evil, thats lame. it was about the Prophecy of a bomb blowing up New York and prevent it from happing, kinda like saying "screw you to fate",  so it was logical and consistent. consistently is such a rare thing these days in storying telling.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 18 Jun 2007, 06:01
See, that's where it appeals to me. Not every plotline logically ends in an epic showdown. In fact, sometimes the epic showdown ruins the plot by being completely out of place. Take Spider-Man 3, for example. Sure, it's badass for the Green Goblin and Spider-Man to team up and fight the big, bad guys; but it makes absolutely no sense in terms of where the plot was going the entire movie. It's just such a dramatic shift that it ruins what they were building to. What happened was exactly what they were building to and if you were let down, odds are you weren't following very closely (As can be noted by the fact that the majority of people I've debated the merits of the finale with here and elsewhere have completely missed plot points and major details).

My recomendation to people who were let down: most have admitted they loved the season overall, go back and watch it from beginning to end over a week or two. I didn't start watching until mid-season and watched it all the way through at each hiatus. Heroes, much like 24, is less episodic in nature and is meant to be digested over the course of a full storyarc. Not everyone can catch everything just watching week to week (Myself included). If you watch straight through, everything lines up perfectly and that's why I found it to be about the most satisfying first season of a show I've watched since Rescue Me.

One other thing people need to note: this is a basic TV show. Everyone was expecting a big, epic showdown, but that's simply not in the cards. It was on its first season, and no matter how succesful it was, it wasn't going to get that kind of budget.

Beyond that, if every character comes out happily ever after, you lose absolutely all sense of drama. Shit, my favorite character got shot in the chest five times and there's a good chance he might be killed off (According to the crew, at least a couple of the people left in limbo in terms of status will die), but this happens. It enhances the drama and gives the real world feeling that anything can happen.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ozymandias on 18 Jun 2007, 10:38
I watched the entire season in 2 days.

It's still disappointing. You can just see that the plot was heading towards that disappointment better.

No, the show never gave the impression that it was leading up to an epic showdown with Sylar that determines the fate of the world. It rather limped towards the choices the 'good guys' would have to make in order to save it this one time. Still, it didn't make for good television, especially when Tim Kring was boasting that the season finale would be like a multi-million dollar movie it would be so epic.

Most shows seems to know how to end a season leaving audiences wanting the next season. Heroes just kinda ended the first season's plot, then said "Oh, here's kind of what next season is about."
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: the-artful-dodger-rodger on 18 Jun 2007, 14:02
dude I'm jonesing for the next season of heroes, and other jonesing for it too.

what you wanted the New York to get destoryed?, 
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: philosopherqueen on 08 Jul 2007, 12:39
*POSSIBLE SEASON 2 SPOILER ALERT*




OK, so it looks like Sylar's not dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDU2w9ID6jc&feature=dir). That's definitely giving me hope that season 2 won't suck balls.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Blyss on 09 Jul 2007, 09:41
So the only person that died with powers in the finale was Lindermann...

Oh well.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: 0bsessions on 09 Jul 2007, 11:42
*Spoilers for Season 2*

Actually, not necessarily, it's been strongly hinted by the creators that at the least Nathan's dead, too. I don't get why people seem to act as if there wasn't enough of a death toll. Across the series we saw: Eve, Simone, Isaac, Charlie, Thompson, Ted and Linderman die off the top of my head. That's a pretty high death toll, especially considering that Thompson and Charlie were about the only ones that had really small roles.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Baggy on 08 Aug 2007, 12:04
*in response to a spoiler post!*

I kind of wish Sylar was dead.  I didn't think he was the best antagonist.  And I'd like to see the show go in a new direction, which I think they will still do.  Sylar may not be the main antagonist of season 2!