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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: camelpimp on 13 Dec 2006, 11:49
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I'll start!
Velvet Underground.
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Actually we had this thread kinda recently (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,12888.0.html) but you'd have to do some digging to find it. I can't take a lot of classic rock, in particular Led Zepplin or The Doors. I've been getting into some of The Rolling Stones' stuff but other than that the only stuff I listen to a lot pre-1980 is early punk.
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....aw, damn it.
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It's okay! I had just finished thinking about Kill Your Idols when I made that thread. I recommend it to everyone. It's a great collection of essays that tear apart venerated, classic albums, from The Doors up to Wilco.
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I can't think of any at the moment, but my dad absolutely hates the Beatles. o.O
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there are few bands that rate as highly on my wanton shit o meter than U2
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You must have misread the title, Doki - it says 'Great' bands, and you listed U2.
...just kidding, sorry, couldn't help myself there. (I like some of the stuff U2 did in the 80s, and have a fair amount of respect for Bono's activism, but I would generally have to agree.) But, so as not to derail the thread, I'm not especially fond of the Velvet Underground either.
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I said it last time when Johnny started this, and I haven't changed my mind, I really dislike the Beatles. A lot. I don't give much of a rat's ass for anything U2 has done in the last 10-15 years either.
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Me too Will!
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Again this is most of their material. Some of it I do like:
Hendrix Experience
Led Zeppelin
U2
The Who
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i hate led zepplin......
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I don't care for The Smiths at all.
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The Clash
The Sex Pistols
The Ramones
Johnny Cash
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I really just don't get the Rolling Stones. Admittedly, I have not heard a decent enough cross-section of their work, but what I've heard was really unimpressive.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I don't really like The Ramones either.
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Green River
Being a grunge junkie I should adore them... but really, meh.
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I've not been able to get into the rolling stones much, they'd probably be better if they'd called it a day towards the end of the 70s.
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As far as U2 goes, I can't stand it, other than Achtung Baby. I'm also not a big Rolling Stones fan, I have 40 Licks, and that's all the Stones I figure I'll ever need.
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I've never liked Nirvana or Jimi Hendrix.
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I hope you're not from Seattle. You might get lynched or something.
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I had a friend who really liked Nirvana and obsessed over Kurt Cobain. And one day we're listening to a Nirvana record, and I just let slip for whatever reason that I don't like Nirvana.
He freaked out like I'd just supported pedophilia or something.
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Yeah. Some people are pretty hardcore.
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grungecore.
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Apparently I am supposed to like Sleater-Kinney but I find their music extremely dull to listen to.
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It's okay, I forgive you.
........... :cry:
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I had a friend who really liked Nirvana and obsessed over Kurt Cobain. And one day we're listening to a Nirvana record, and I just let slip for whatever reason that I don't like Nirvana.
He freaked out like I'd just supported pedophilia or something.
anyone here read preacher...if so arseface
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I don't know if anyone would call them a "Great Bands" yet, but I really, really, don't like Clap Your Hands Say Yeah or Animal Collective, and everyone keeps telling me I should.
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Dream Theatre. James Labrie can go fuck a snail or something. I can't fucking stand his voice. That being said, I don't mind their instrumental tracks as much, but I can't figure out why...
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the thread title implies that the banmds mentioned must be considered great, so i don't see how Dream Theatre belongs here
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Oh, I forgot to add The Hold Steady. I just find them really dull. I love Springsteen, hell, I'd say that he may even be my favourite artist these days, but The Hold Steady just don't pull it off.
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the thread title implies that the banmds mentioned must be considered great, so i don't see how Dream Theatre belongs here
depends on your definition of great. I'm putting them because at Virginia Tech, it's the cool thing to listen to Dream Theatre.
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Apparently I am supposed to like Sleater-Kinney but I find their music extremely dull to listen to.
I once felt like this, but one day I was listening to one of their albums by chance and bam! One of my new favourite bands, it was weird and great.
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Red Hot Chili Peppers are so boring.
Shut up about California! I've never even been and I'm sick of the place!
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depends on your definition of great. I'm putting them because at Virginia Tech, it's the cool thing to listen to Dream Theatre.
exactly, my definition of great.
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Let's see, bands that are great that even I admittedly respect, and in a way understand why they're considered great, but that I can't stand... Sure, let's see...
Pink Floyd [Except for The Wall and some other material. It's not that I dislikethem, it's just that I cant get into them for some reason...]
Led Zepplin [I can't help it, I cringe. I respect them for the most part, but I cringe.]
Nirvana [I can actually stand them, but I mention them because very few of their songs appeal to me enough to actually want to hear them when they start playing. Heart Shaped Box, On A Plane, and Come as You Are are exceptions.]
exactly, my definition of great.
Man, I'm so glad you're helping to contribute good, useful stuffs to the interwebs, and not just saying random- possibly jokingly, egotistical things for fun.
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I like how most people are so filled with hate in this thread they can't even bother to spell the names correctly.
I really just don't like black metal as a genre. It might just be because usually the sound quality makes it almost unlistenable, but something about the sound just puts me off. Unless it's like, Absu, which isn't as much straight BM as it is blackened thrash anyway.
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Here is actually the most hate I've ever heard directed at music:
Me: *conversation with Other Dude* "Oh, yeah. Run DMC!"
Friend-Girl M.: "Run DMC? They're a band?"
Me: *gapes*
F-G M: "I thought they were a clothing label."
Me: *is stunned*
How could you hate music so much as to not know who Run DMC are?
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I had a friend who really liked Nirvana and obsessed over Kurt Cobain. And one day we're listening to a Nirvana record, and I just let slip for whatever reason that I don't like Nirvana.
He freaked out like I'd just supported pedophilia or something.
anyone here read preacher...if so arseface
Hell yes, man. Preacher rocks. Just finished reading the third collection.
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grungecore.
shut your wordhole. I meant "hardcore" as in "really into"/"really serious about", not the damn musical genre.
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Man, I'm so glad you're helping to contribute good, useful stuffs to the interwebs, and not just saying random- possibly jokingly, egotistical things for fun.
man, i'm not even jokingly egotistical. I do like to think i'm kinda useful though, maybe you'd like some of the music i posted on the circle jerk thread
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*opens mouth and closes mouth* *hesitates* *raises finger and opens mouth as if to say something again* *closes hesitantly and shrugs* Whatever, have fun. I might as well go see what you're talking about.
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grungecore.
shut your wordhole. I meant "hardcore" as in "really into"/"really serious about", not the damn musical genre.
take a joke
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grungecore.
shut your wordhole. I meant "hardcore" as in "really into"/"really serious about", not the damn musical genre.
take a joke
I do not know this "joke" of which you speak.
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Red Hot Chili Peppers are so boring.
Shut up about California! I've never even been and I'm sick of the place!
I agree to the max here. I think the best material they did was with Dave Navarro because he actually did some songs with them that didn't just sound like EVERYTHING they've ever done.
I find it amusing that people take the piss out of Oasis for them having not learned a new chord since 1994. The Chilis haven't learned a new chord since about 1982.
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This thread depresses the shit out of me.
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I find it amusing that people take the piss out of Oasis for them having not learned a new chord since 1994. The Chilis haven't learned a new chord since about 1982.
Don't even get me started on Oasis. What a shitty band.
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I find it amusing that people take the piss out of Oasis for them having not learned a new chord since 1994. The Chilis haven't learned a new chord since about 1982.
Don't even get me started on Oasis. What a shitty band.
Kar, you love the Meteors and hate Oasis? Marry me now. You can decide on who has to wear the dress.
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Dream Theatre. James Labrie can go fuck a snail or something. I can't fucking stand his voice. That being said, I don't mind their instrumental tracks as much, but I can't figure out why...
Grrrrr. I agree, his voice is something of an acquired taste. But John Petrucci kicks so much ass that no one usually seems to mind.
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While I enjoy the Beatles, I don't really dig the Rolling Stones. They should have quit a long time ago. I'm gonna agree with others on the Sex Pistols too. But then again, they weren't supposed to be good.
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Red Hot Chili Peppers are so boring.
Shut up about California! I've never even been and I'm sick of the place!
....uh, were the Chilis considered great at some point?
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i feel like i'm going to be slaughtered (verbally, hopefully not literally) for this, but i really can't stand deerhoof. i've tried, i honestly have. i've listened to milkman 3 or 4 times. i've listened to the runners four several times as well. and each time i go in telling myself, "this time i'll get it" and i never do. and it's not like i don't like the genre, or don't like bands with odd vocalists, or just don't understand some hidden subtltie, i just don't like their music. i think i'm a definite exception when it comes to this.
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Radiohead
Morrissey
The Velvet Underground
Tortoise
U2
And maybe Bright Eyes if it wasn't for I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning.
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This may not really fit the parameters of the topic but so many people are enamoured of xiuxiu and I fucking hate him/them. HATE.
I hate his creepy creepy trembly voice. I feel like he's going to molest my as-yet-unconceived children.
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I seem to be one of the few people on the face of the Earth who doesn't like Radiohead. I mean, Airbag is a pretty cool song. And the album Kid A is kind of cool, but boring. But I'm basically just that one weird guy around here who doesn't like Radiohead. And people say "I didn't like them either at first, cause they were too weird," and I just reply that I listen to music that's far weirder.
Oh ya, and I don't really like Pink Floyd either.
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It's so fun that a topic that's about bands you think are great but you don't like turns into a topic about mentioning a band you just plain don't like that a lot of people do, so someone who does can insult you. Or so you and those who agree can sit there and insult said band with you.
That's what I love about you guys, I can just FEEL the love. It's almost gross.^_^
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I'll probably get flayed alive for this, but
The Decemberists.
I heard two albums in their entirety, and heard a song that I kind of liked. (The Tane and The Crane Wife were the albums, btw.) I'm still willing to give them some more listening, but from all the jizz people have spilled in their name here on the boards, I figured I'd actually care about them a little on the first listen-through.
I really don't like having to "work" to like music. If something's an "acquired taste" then I usually don't have the patience.
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Actually, you'll find that you're in pretty good company if you dislike The Decemberists. Quite a few people on here, myself included, are not particularly fond of them. I can stand them, and actually enjoy a couple of songs (enough to include them in the vast plethora of music listed on my Myspace page), but you won't catch me ever buying one of their albums.
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I seem to be one of the few people on the face of the Earth who doesn't like Radiohead. I mean, Airbag is a pretty cool song. And the album Kid A is kind of cool, but boring. But I'm basically just that one weird guy around here who doesn't like Radiohead. And people say "I didn't like them either at first, cause they were too weird," and I just reply that I listen to music that's far weirder.
Oh ya, and I don't really like Pink Floyd either.
1. Dude, there is a nation of Radiohead haters out there. I'm not among them, but you could probably join an official chatroom somewhere about how Radiohead are shit.
2. Disliking Radiohead and disliking the Floyd - two of my favourite bands, it must be said - are not really mutually exclusive.
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I like prog-rock and metal a fair amount, but I've never gotten into Floyd either. They have always struck me as the more boring older brothers that needed acid to compose their pieces. The Wall, for example, is too bizarre for me to ever enjoy. I certainly won't ever hate them.
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Even though I'm pretty sure Floyd stopped taking acid right after Barrett went fucking coocoo. But wutevs
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Most of them barely even took it before hand. As far as I can tell, Roger Waters took it once, it shit-scared him and he never took it again, and he was the main songwriter. So 'needing acid to compose their pieces' seems to be a misinterpretation.
In fact, that Floyd are a drugs band is a common misconception. Post-Barrett, the drugs and the music were almost entirely separate entities.
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I don't agree with a single band anybody has said yet. Except the obvious ones, like Oasis, who nobody but stupid British journos have ever said were great. Maybe I'm not as much of a musical elitist as I thought.
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I don't agree with a single band anybody has said yet. Except the obvious ones, like Oasis, who nobody but stupid British journos have ever said were great. Maybe I'm not as much of a musical elitist as I thought.
What? You dissagree that the bands are great or that they can't get into them? I'd like to make surei t's clear that I'm one of the few people here who are on topic, I actually think the bands I listed are good. Which I think is what the point was.
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Most of them barely even took it before hand. As far as I can tell, Roger Waters took it once, it shit-scared him and he never took it again, and he was the main songwriter. So 'needing acid to compose their pieces' seems to be a misinterpretation.
In fact, that Floyd are a drugs band is a common misconception. Post-Barrett, the drugs and the music were almost entirely separate entities.
I keep hearing conflicting reports on this, so I'll hold myself in check before I mention anything else, sorry!
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I would imagine that watching Syd Barret wreck his mind up against a giant freaking wall of LSD would be enough to ensure that even if they did dabble in drugs here in there, they wouldn't take it too far.
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Guys I think Pavement are boring!
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Rush.
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Actually, you'll find that you're in pretty good company if you dislike The Decemberists. Quite a few people on here, myself included, are not particularly fond of them. I can stand them, and actually enjoy a couple of songs (enough to include them in the vast plethora of music listed on my Myspace page), but you won't catch me ever buying one of their albums.
Well, I feel a little better now.
Honestly, whenever I express my musical tastes here, I am scared shitless I'll be ostracized for being, well, mainstream. I like "safe" music, in the sense that I feel accomplished discovering that I like a band who's already deceased that I should have heard about a long time ago. Most stuff I "find" on my own are because I hear a song in a movie or video game that I think is particularly spiffy.
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i feel like i'm going to be slaughtered (verbally, hopefully not literally) for this, but i really can't stand deerhoof. i've tried, i honestly have. i've listened to milkman 3 or 4 times. i've listened to the runners four several times as well. and each time i go in telling myself, "this time i'll get it" and i never do. and it's not like i don't like the genre, or don't like bands with odd vocalists, or just don't understand some hidden subtltie, i just don't like their music. i think i'm a definite exception when it comes to this.
Don't worry. It's probably something to do with the fact that Deerhoof just aren't very good, or engaging, or clever, or anything really.
Well, except quirky, and doesn't that just make 'em the best thing ever omg omg omg?
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I would imagine that watching Syd Barret wreck his mind up against a giant freaking wall of LSD would be enough to ensure that even if they did dabble in drugs here in there, they wouldn't take it too far.
Gilmour got hooked on cocaine in the late eighties, and I think they all used drugs, but recreationally. To quote Rick Wright, 'it certainly wasn't lying around the studio.'
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I don't agree with a single band anybody has said yet. Except the obvious ones, like Oasis, who nobody but stupid British journos have ever said were great. Maybe I'm not as much of a musical elitist as I thought.
What? You dissagree that the bands are great or that they can't get into them? I'd like to make surei t's clear that I'm one of the few people here who are on topic, I actually think the bands I listed are good. Which I think is what the point was.
I meant that most of the bands people have listed as not liking are bands that I love. Like Deerhoof, Sleater-Kinney, Pavement...
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Sunn
Khanate
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
The Smiths
That Fucking Tank
Dinosaur Jr
Nirvana
Bad Brains
The Clash
The Sex Pistols
Radiohead
Metallica
Pelican
Explosions In The Sky
Beecher
Poison The Well
Cave In
Echo And The Bunnymen
Massive Attack
Tricky
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I don't like Pelican. They bore me. Everyone and their mother, at least in music journalism camp, were creaming themselves over this band last year, and I just don't get it. I like a lot of instrumental stuff - I've been enjoying Russian Circles a TON this year, just as an example - but something about Pelican never stuck on me...
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Don't worry. It's probably something to do with the fact that Deerhoof just aren't very good, or engaging, or clever, or anything really.
Well, except quirky, and doesn't that just make 'em the best thing ever omg omg omg?
Heh, heh, touche. I love you, Khar.
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Anal Cunt
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I don't know if you read my story over on the first page, Tommy, but I think the man can be forgiven for not liking Deerhoof. This girl didn't know who Run D.M.-Fucking-C. was. Anything approaching musical ignorance comes nowhere close to that.
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He ... rocks?
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Run D.M.C. rock, which is why I was floored that a girl who enjoys Bloc Party and Mclusky could not know who they were.
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A common mistake is that liking good bands means you know stuff about music.
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Oh, I'm responsible for Bloc Party and another friend is responsible for Mclusky. I think she just likes both bands to impress us, really.
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Early Radiohead, the Kinks, Nirvana, Slayer, Rush, Celtic Frost.
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Slayer is not, nor have they ever been, a great band. Ever.
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Slayer is not, nor have they ever been, a great band. Ever.
See, people keep turning this into a discussion of what is or isn't great thread. It's not.
Stop it.
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Stop It were good, but there were never really great. I can see why you don't like them. I've never understood the acclaim they get. Except for And Tidy Up, which is a pretty good record, but really their only cohesive batch of material to date.
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Slayer is not, nor have they ever been, a great band. Ever.
Slayer will rip your face off.
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Early Radiohead
Honestly, why would you even say that?? I don't like the early Beatles stuff, but that's completely different from saying they're a great band you don't care for. Let's not start singling out eras/albums, please.
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I think that'd be a valid point if Ok Computer and The Bends weren't so often treated with such reverential language.
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the Kinks
This hurts me... in my heart.
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I have three or four Kinks albums in constant rotation and a few in low rotation. I really love them. If you can't get into them though I pretty much understand.
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I don't like Pelican. They bore me. Everyone and their mother, at least in music journalism camp, were creaming themselves over this band last year, and I just don't get it. I like a lot of instrumental stuff - I've been enjoying Russian Circles a TON this year, just as an example - but something about Pelican never stuck on me...
The problem was probably that they have one alright song which they did a long while back and then tons of unimaginative Hydrahead-by-numbers crap. They just don't know how to write a decent riff, and with that kind of music that's just a wee bit of a hindrance. Humanfly, Men In Search Of The Perfect weapon and tons more do it so much better, but Pelican are on the big label so they get the attention.
Though surprisingly Tusk, the grind band featuring Pelican members from a while back, is excellent.
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I have three or four Kinks albums in constant rotation and a few in low rotation. I really love them. If you can't get into them though I pretty much understand.
My old art teacher said he played drums for the Kinks when they were just getting started, but quit 'cos they 'weren't going anywhere'
This may be just a story but quite funny if it's true
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I hate bands like RHCP and Led Zepplin that everyone verbally masturbates over in society.
Kar, you love the Meteors and hate Oasis? Marry me now. You can decide on who has to wear the dress.
I think you'll find all real people hate Oasis.
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I'm convinced that in this day and age, people who say they still like Oasis are either bots made by a sad, lonely ex-NME writer or say they like Oasis when they really meant Olivia Tremor Control.
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They are a joke. As people at least. But I still listen to them, dammit! And if they break up, it's like a piece of my childhood breaking up really.
Besides, I quite liked some of their last album...
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I don't think I've ever listened to an Oasis song that I know of.
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I don't think I've ever listened to an Oasis song that I know of.
You managed to escape Wonderwall somehow? What's your secret?
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Wonderwall, in defiance of all human logic, being made worse. (http://www.purevolume.com/thegaiacorporation)
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Besides, I quite liked some of their last album...
I'd absolutely prefer to hear Oasis over Coldplay or the Killers.
I have no idea why.
To be fair, The Killers rip-off Oasis, who are a glorified tribute band (admittedly for multiple bands) as it is. It's kind of like taking heroin by drinking someone else's blood.
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Rush.
Can I ask why?
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Rush.
Can I ask why?
What about the voice of Geddy Lee?? How did it get so high?? I wonder if he speaks like an ordinary guy...??
I know him, and he does.
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The Doors
Led Zep
Jimi Hendrix
AC/DC
i think they are ok. For some reason Jimi just doesnt do it for me all the time.
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I don't like The Misfits.
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Run D.M.C. rock, which is why I was floored that a girl who enjoys Bloc Party and Mclusky could not know who they were.
I've never heard of this band, and I like much better bands than that.
Also, their name sounds utterly shit. They sound like a failed nu-metal band or Vanilla Ices backing group or something.
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Run D.M.C. rock, which is why I was floored that a girl who enjoys Bloc Party and Mclusky could not know who they were.
I've never heard of this band
Walk This Way? It's Tricky? King of Rock? RUn's House? Raising Hell? Seminal 80's rap?
Sex Pistols (important but still shit)
Wilco (it took Billy Bragg to make their music engaging)
Iron and Wine (actually pretty much every band on the Garden State soundtrack)
Bruce Springsteen (show tunes with cheesy sub-Dylan poetics)
Jeff Buckley (lounge music warblings)
Prince (vocals grate me)
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Walk This Way?
Oh god, that shit.
I was seemingly right in thinking instantly of some sort of hideous rap/rock combination!
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Well the most 'successful' tracks are rarely the best. 'Bring your daughter to the slaughter', anyone? Still, the rest of Run is absolute gold.
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I don't think you can apply Iron Maiden there seeing as 95% of their songs are completely interchangeable.
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Wonderwall, in defiance of all human logic, being made worse. (http://www.purevolume.com/thegaiacorporation)
I actually think that Wonderwall is a rather good song that they completely botched on execution. The Ryan Adams and Cat Power versions are far superior.
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I don't think you can apply Iron Maiden there seeing as 95% of their songs are completely interchangeable.
Says the Avril Lavigne fan.
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^ Low blow.
Okay, since they've been quotes, I really don't understand why people ejaculate out of their fingertips for Pavement...
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I actually think that Wonderwall is a rather good song that they completely botched on execution. The Ryan Adams and Cat Power versions are far superior.
Oh man the Ryan Adams version is one of my mix CD fallbacks. Can't think of a song that'll fit? "WONDERWALL" BY RYAN ADAMS!
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Wonderwall, in defiance of all human logic, being made worse. (http://www.purevolume.com/thegaiacorporation)
Oh god. My ears.
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I don't think you can apply Iron Maiden there seeing as 95% of their songs are completely interchangeable.
Says the Avril Lavigne fan.
You are only emphasising that I am well-versed in artists who produce material that's interchangeable. Besides which I can assure you I am a 'fan' of Avril more due to my penis than my ears.
Besides which, Avril has made two (or three, I dunno if the next one's out) albums that are exactly alike. How many have Maiden done, fifteen?
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Well that isn't even taking into account that what you said was entirely incorrect. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son is absolutely nothing like Brave New World, and A Matter of Life and Death has nothing to do with Killers.
So basically you're wrong on both issues.
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You certainly are taking a pre-written passing jibe, which I also use for U2 and AC/DC, awfully seriously...okay for AC/DC it is actually true.
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Wonderwall, in defiance of all human logic, being made worse. (http://www.purevolume.com/thegaiacorporation)
Actually, although this version is by no means good, I actually find it more enjoyable than the original. At least, I do until the breakdown.
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I really really want to love the futureheads, but i really just can't stand them
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A handful of my favorite bands have been mentioned in this thread. Imagine me holding my head in my hands. PEOPLE DISGAREE WITH ME AND HAVE DIFFERENT TASTE?! This cannot be. The only conclusion is that you're all insane or lying. Yup yup yup...
::cries himself to sleep::
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I've never heard of this band, and I like much better bands than that.
You can't be serious. Everyone has heard of Run D.M.C.
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I had some vague recollection of seeing the name in conjunction with Aerosmith when Walk This Way was mentioned.
Apart from that, nope. And judging by that pile of crap, I never want to.
Maybe at some point I should post a list of the bands that people here might consider great, but I think plain fucking suck, or are just mediocre or not that notable. Hmn, okay, actually, I will do that. Off the top of my head:
Ellen Allien, The Arcade Fire, Architecture in Helsinki, Animal Collective, Belle and Sebastien, The Books, Broken Social Scene, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, Dangermouse, De La Soul, The Decemberists, Deerhoof, Dr. Doom, The Field Mice, The Fiery Furnaces, Fugazi, Gnarls Barkley, Guided By Voices, Iron and Wine, Jawbox, Jawbreaker, Jedi Mind Tricks, LCD Soundsystem, McLusky, Minor Threat, Modest Mouse, Mouse on Mars, Nirvana, Outkast, Pixies, The Postal Service, Q and not U, R Ratatat, Rites of Spring, RJD2, Screeching Weasel, Silkworm, Silver Jews, Elliot Smith, Sonic Youth, Spiritualised, Tortoise, Wilco and anything else you love.
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I actually think that song could do well in the 'cons' section of people's debates of collaborations in the other thread. It really doesn't do either band justice.
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You hate the Pixies? Oh no.
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No, I just don't think they're very good.
I hate Deerhoof.
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For some reason I can't hate Deerhoof. Any song that repeats the word "Bunny" over and over again is good in my book.
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I'm not impressed with Deerhoof. I only listen to them occasionally because I think they're funny. But I'm laughing at them, not with them.
@Khar- You really like to stir up a ruckus, don't you? Fugazi not great? The Pixies not great? Surely even you can't ignore what those bands have contributed to music.
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I easily can, because everything thats been inspired by them haas been fujcking worse.
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I really cannot stand ACDC. They are overrated and over played.
oh and the Roliing Stones.
I mean come on, you could at least try to sing on key and NOT completely ruin a potenitally good song.
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Whatever Khar, way to fucking generalize. :roll:
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Whatever Khar, way to fucking generalize. :roll:
Name one band that took inspiration from or took up the commercial legacy of Fugazi or Pixies that aren't fucking unortiginal, unremarkable, artless shite.
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You're really obsessed with bands being unoriginal and unremarkable, aren't you?? That seems to be the same criticism you gave for Sufjan Stevens. Why can't you just admit that you don't like 98% of indie rock and therefore you ARE generalizing. Honestly, I can't imagine someone liking indie rock and not liking a good half of the bands you posted.
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Eh? There must be a reason I don't like it, eh?
And that's because its limp-wristed boring shit that has nothing to say about anything and hasn't made any fucking musical progress since 1985. Why would you like it? It's got nothing whatsoever to recommend it, unless you yourself are a boring, timid, imagination-void little cretin who enjoys such microscopic levels of stimulation.
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Well, see, what you've asked me to do is easy for you to stomp on. I can say a band has been influenced by Fugazi and is (or was, in this case) an excellent band: At the Drive-In. You can tell me that you think this band meets the criteria of being "boring and artless." It's a very subjective process.
BTW, Propagandhi is influenced by Fugazi.
Also, I seem to recall you getting your panties in a fancy bunch when I dismissed black metal as "boring and unoriginal." I think that because it all sounds the fucking same to me. But that's just me. I don't like black metal.
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Propaghandi are okay. They're quite good in the context of being an American punk band from the 90's that doesn't suck a big dripping whale cock full of pure unadulterated lose.
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unless you yourself are a boring, timid, imagination-void little cretin who enjoys such microscopic levels of stimulation.
Even though I disagree with some of the things you say, I had to laugh for some reason when I read that.
RUSH!
I know It's already been said but honestly.....eeeeeuuuaaagh....
With a different vocalist maybe they could be okay, but I really wouldn't know since I've never made it through an entire song of theirs.
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Propaghandi are okay. They're quite good in the context of being an American punk band from the 90's that doesn't suck a big dripping whale cock full of pure unadulterated lose.
Name me a few of those, why doncha? I feel like possibly arguing tonight.
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I should probably also mention Drive Like Jehu before I start arguing with you about whether or not Bad Religion has ever released good material.
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Just to interject here, but uh
Bad Religion are f'ing terrible.
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And so it begins. Generator was a superb album. end.
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About all of this indie rock, which I've begun hearing some of since I started reading QC and the forums-
I like most of the instrumentation, but the vocals are what's hard for me to take. I don't expect them to be virtuosos or even REALLY be able to sing well (like Geddy Lee for example, jerks), but some of them just have no tone and no real control over their voice, and the vocals do NOT mesh well with the music. This isn't true in all cases, I've heard Built to Spill and The Decemberists lately, and they seem good, but as I continue to explore the rest, I can't find a lot of material that really attracts me.
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Have you listened to Faraquet?
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I can say a band has been influenced by Fugazi and is (or was, in this case) an excellent band: At the Drive-In.
Lol, emo.
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I'm not surprised that this thread has ended up where it is now, but I don't think it was really the point.
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It was only a matter of time.
@Khar- Emo is a bad descriptor.
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Descriptor is a pretentious word.
Sorry I got drunk and shat on this thread, but the basic idea was pretty retarded anyway.
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Propagandhi are from Winnipeg, Khar.
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So there ARE no good American punk bands from the 90's, only a few okay-ish ones! Huzzah! Generalisation ist krieeeg.
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No Propagandhi are American. Canada is part of America. It's not part of the United States, as I'm sure that's what you meant.
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And that's because its limp-wristed boring shit that has nothing to say about anything and hasn't made any fucking musical progress since 1985. Why would you like it? It's got nothing whatsoever to recommend it, unless you yourself are a boring, timid, imagination-void little cretin who enjoys such microscopic levels of stimulation.
How, so because I listen to music you classify as being a certain way, I must be that same way?? How intelligent of you.
Let me try!!
Why would you want to listen to metal?? It's the most unoriginal, uninspiring music ever created. EVER. It all sounds the same, and there has not been a single metal album worth owning or discussing in the history of music ever. EVER. Why would you like it?? It's got nothing whatsoever to recommend it, unless you yourself are boring, convinced of a self importance that 90% of the world doesn't give any attention or credence to, trying too hard to be complex, trying too hard to "rock", trying too hard in general, bereft of any sense of fun, or too self consciously complex, fun, metal, etc.
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No, sorry, that was just incoherent. I made more sense and I was massively drunk.
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Riot Grrl is awesome though. I don't think Khar was talking about Riot Grrl. He meant bands like Propagandhi.
By the way, the Canadian punk movement has sucked completely for a long time. We decided we like screaming and guitars that sound like tin.
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Have you listened to Faraquet?
No, but I'll cautiously pursue them now, I'm always open to new music suggestions.
Also, as a note, not all metal sucks. That's a uh, pretty close-minded thing to say.
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In the same way that it's close-minded to say all bands without a Dungeons and Dragons theme suck?
Funny that.
Well, those bands DO deserve a bit of a wake up call. :-D
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By the way, the Canadian punk movement has sucked completely for a long time. We decided we like screaming and guitars that sound like tin.
I'm pretty sure there isn't much of a Canadian punk movement (correct me if I'm wrong), but there is a burgeoning Canadian hardcore scene.
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No, sorry, that was just incoherent. I made more sense and I was massively drunk.
True, but you're ignoring the fact that 90% of metal is made by people who have no lives and sit at home learning to play their instruments really fast, then proclaim themselves virtuosos.
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". . . if you want to learn an instrument, the best way to do it is to force yourself into a situation with other people, as opposed to waiting till you've honed your craft on your own to do something." - Guy Picciotto
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Ah, the Sid Vicious approach.
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True, but you're ignoring the fact that 90% of metal is made by people who have no lives and sit at home learning to play their instruments really fast, then proclaim themselves virtuosos.
You really have no clue.
No seriously.
I don't understand pretty much every critique of metal I've heard. I mean, for example, Thorpe mentions a grand total of four metal bands, two of which suck and two of which are, fair enough, easily reduced to risibility, although I'll still defend Maiden quite a bit. It's basically, I think, the fact that these critiques are based on not just ignorance, but willfull ignorance, not to mention that they are fuelled by sensibilities and aesthetics which I find quite incomprehensible, which their owners regard as somehow a sign of good breeding and maturity. 'Cool' and 'irony' and fuck knows what else. I've listened to so much indie rock. I've downloaded recommendations here, I've done mix swaps, forced listening etc. both here and on a last.fm group dominated by hipsters, and, out of my huge experience of music, 3,000+ bands, I honestly have to say that 99% of what I've heard sucks. Occasionally, I come across something that doesn't make me want to turn it off after two minutes. I listen to Neutral Milk Hotel and Patrick Wolf quite often, Red House Painters not but once in a blue moon British Sea Power and (some) Cat Power when the mood takes me. But the rest of it I've heard is pretty shit. Remember I'm not just talking from the position of someone who likes metal. I like huge amounts of music across a very wide range of genres. I like bands, to respond to that very pathetic little barb, with black people and women in them. And I just don't think that most of this indie shit really has anything to it. It seams so lacking in susbtance, so listless, so boring, so pretentious and un-fun and just...ghastly. A musical culture produced by a people who have a mindset that will bash metal bands for wearing ridiculous outfits or for being emotionally immature, and then ejaculate over bands like Devo and Tullycraft. It's just crap, but people can't get enough of it. Because its cool. I don't even want to fucking count how many times I've seen people round here, or elsewhere saying something along the lines of "I didn't like this record at first, but I forced myself to listen to it eight or so times and its starting to get good" WHY? I seriously don't get this shit. I was on youtube a few weeks ago and I thought that I'd check out Fugazi. I'll overlook the fact that they looked like primary school teachers for a second. Yeah, they rocked occasionally, I could even get into the groove now and then. Songwriting was bad, structure lousy and singing was awful. Lyrics were...well, rather cliche metal/punk fare actually. Riffs were average, drumming was slightly more interesting than your four to the floor etc. etc. It was easily tolerable, some okay rock and roll. Then I looked down at the first comment: 'most amazing thing i've seen in my entire life!'
And then I realised I had a 23 Skidoo album that needed listening to. I just don't see what the fucking fuss is about, and all these people jerking off left and right about mediocre people playing mediocre music about mediocre things, half if not all of them ripping off better bands from the past, just, well, it pisses me off. And then these people turn around and go "OMG METAL, UH! SO UNCOOL! LETS GO DRINK SOME FUCKING STARBUCKS." Whatever. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. I'm going to listen to some Amon Amarth and have more fun than you've ever imagined having you boring little fashionista tossers. Etc. etc. Blah blah. And so on it goes forth. The problem with this shit is however reasonable I want to start I'm always fucking angry and insulting everyone but my own mother by the end. Dunno why. It's probably because you suck. But I love my mum.
Ach, whatever, fuck it to be honest. The only person you do a disservice to
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I don't have a problem with all metal. I like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Annihilator, Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Pantera (sometimes), but I absolutely hate death/black metal. I fucking hate it. You have no idea. Talk about listless. The music is so uncohesive. It just sounds like everyone is just doing his own thing. You know? Like, the guitarist just discovered this riff and the drummer decides that he'll play some blast beats behind it. The guitar riffs are all so damn boring. I swear to god, does this guy really think I want to hear some mindless drop D (or whatever, I don't know fucking music theory) riff, even if it is played in 123/42 time?
Whatever, we like different music, and for the most part dislike each other's tastes. I guess this is just the way it's going to be.
Hmmm. . . I guess I enjoy thrash metal to an extent.
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The problem with this shit is however reasonable I want to start I'm always fucking angry and insulting everyone but my own mother by the end. Dunno why. It's probably because you suck. But I love my mum.
Besides the fact that you wrote some comedy gold right there (for serious, I started just laughing!) you have a point. It's a shame that you get so upset and start making equally broad generalizations about indie because frankly Pavement is quite a different band than The Go! Team, who are different from Low, who are different from Despistado.
Metal is a really broad and diverse genre, and a lot of it doesn't actually have to do with Dungeons and Dragons. A lot of the metal-maligning done on this board crosses the line from tongue-in-cheek to near-abuse. I'm not even a big metal fan and I don't appreciate it. What does being an insular ass accomplish? Nothing.
Don't be a dick, everyone.
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Are you trying to be ironic by telling us not go make generalizations and then ending your post with one?
Please don't try to be a peacemaker here.
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I'm not trying to be a peacemaker. In case you couldn't tell I get pissed off when anybody makes any generalization about any kind of music and I strive to never do it. I also wasn't aware that "don't be a dick, everyone" was a generalization. I figured it was just a piece of general advice. There are quite a lot of people on this forum who fall quite firmly into the "not a dick" category and even some who I would classify as "never a dick."
This isn't an effort to bridge the well-documented schism between Khar and Tommy, it's just a statement which should clarify the difference between effective music evalutation & discourse and being an ignoramus. Note that I did not at any point single you out. However, I am now singling you out and asking a couple of questions.
Can you provide me with one single reason to purposely be an arse on a forum in which you can, at will, revise and edit your statements even before you make them? If you can, might I ask how that would possibly promote discussion rather than argument?
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Why would you tell us not to be dicks if you didn't think that some of us were being dicks? "Not being a dick" generally goes without saying.
As to your question, I don't think I'm being an ass, unless you want to count the generalization I made earlier about metal, which was merely a response to Khar making sweeping, unfounded generalizations about punk and indie music.
I think you're being a bit idealistic by distinguishing "argument" from "discussion." I prefer to call them "shitslinging" and "mumbling," respectively. That way it's easier to make the distinction, since it's two extremes.
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I have to agree with KharBevNor, theres something about the disdain for heavy metal amongst indie kids that just grates, no-one i know and respect in terms of their musical taste hates metal. That isn't to say that they all like it, but no one with any level of tolerance or intelligence can truly dimiss such a huge swathe of popular music. I used to be prejudiced against metal - when i was 14. Then i grew up and started enjoying metal, indie, classic rock, pop, hip hop, drum and bass, trance, electronica, grunge, punk, industrial, and many bands that straddle several genres for what they are, various forms of art and entertainment written with a variety of emotional states, personal histories and aesthetic preferences in mind. If you don't like metal that's fine, maybe you don't enjoy aggressive music, fast music, non-melodic vocals, or any of the other aspects present in some metal bands but don't judge others for enjoying something you simply fail to understand. To return to the topic however, these are the supposed classic bands i've never been able to enjoy,
Judas Priest
The Rolling Stones
Anything Radiohead did after OK Computer
Pink Floyd
The Beatles
Almost all hardcore punk, Happy Hardcore, House, Nu-Skool Breaks and Psy-Trance
This doesn't mean they are bad, this doesn't mean i don't understand their appeal to others but i've never been able to connect to these bands/genres myself even after repeated exposure.
Gentlemen, commence your flaming.
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Flaming Ostrich: Khar knows full well that I and the rest of the forums do not appreciate his shitting all over indie as well. Mud can be thrown from both sides.
For the rest of it, I steadfastly disagree with pretty much all of your post but a publicly-readable forum isn't the appropriate place to debate this. Instead I'll just reiterate for the last time that the "not being a dick" which generally goes without saying was not directed specifically, solely and precisely towards you, so in the future rather than taking it personally please PM me and we can have this discussion privately and maturely.
Zenguy: You did it right.
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Metal is a really broad and diverse genre, and a lot of it doesn't actually have to do with Dungeons and Dragons.
I have a vague feeling that I wanted to devote a significant portion of my post to that fact, but I got waylaid somewhere. Whatever. I am listening to the whole Ancient Rites (one of the many bands I'm sure you aren't taking in to account in your 'critique' of death/black metal, which are entirely different genres and...I'll shit up). Also, I just found out we have loads of little cans of pre-mixed gin and tonics in the fridge! Joy.
Also, I'm not making generalisations about punk music. I'm making generalisations about punk music as typified by the output of the united states in the 90's. To be fair, it is singling things out a bit, as barely anything interesting happened to punk in the 90's anywhere. In fact, to be honest, probably a lot more interesting things happened with punk in the states in the 90's. I mean, Riot Grrl (for some reason I ALWAYS overlook Riot Grrl when I think about punk in general, I guess I consider it something a bit seperate) and the Crack Rock Steady Seven alone kinda make everything okay. The real problem is America also produced SO MUCH SHIT PUNK in the 90's. I mean goodness. All that happened in the UK in the nineties, punk wise, was Poly Styrene popping out the skirting board to record another X-Ray Spex album and New Model Army buying new clogs.
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Fair enough, Johnny.
@ZeNbRaIn- Maybe if you'd read my post you'd realize that I don't hate all metal. Also, your stance about how we should all mature and become ecclectic is made laughable by the fact that you say you dislike almost all hardcore punk.
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Khar, I don't even know where to start there. You say that America produced a lot of shit punk in the 90s (which it did). Well, no shit. There's a lot of shitty metal out there, too. Are you at least willing to acknowledge that?
Also, I think I should say that I wouldn't have said jack shit about metal in this topic had you not starting the mudslinging. Yeah, I know I'm largely ignorant about death and black metal. I know that they both incorporate lots of blast beats, which, as a drummer, I fucking hate. I dislike that music.
Whatever, I guess we can just shit on each other for awhile. At least it's internet shit.
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You know, I was going to retort, but I suspect all my favourite examples of drumming have what you'd call blastbeats. I just don't see how you can rag on drumming as tight as this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfRGF-MWYsE) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mj2UlDLObQ&mode=related&search=) or even this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1QW5ZDhLM8) (yes, Arcturus aren't really black or death metal, but this is the best thing I can find on youtube with Hellhammer on the sticks). Actually, this is is probably, exactly the stuff you hate, but whatever. Back to the hipster/indie thing, this is why I always start laughing when people go ape-shit about Deerhoofs drummer.
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I don't really like Deerhoof. I find them pretty boring, though when I'm drunk I like to make fun of them.
I'm not denying the skill of blast beat drummers, I just don't like blast beats. Oh man, I just listened to as much as I could bear of that Decapitated song, and I just don't understand how you can like those vocals.
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I didn't say or mean to imply that we should all listen to or even like the same music, i don't enjoy listening to the majority of hardcore punk, if you do then fair enough and i'm sure you enjoy your collection of music as much if not more than anyone else. I just resent the idea that you can label any particular style of music as inherently good or bad, no matter how weird, abrasive, outright dumb it might be somewhere in the world someone listened to it and it made them smile, or at least served as a form of catharsis for any negative emotions they may have been feeling. Music is far too important, far too life affirming for anyone to be able to justify attacking a particular aspect of it. I'm just trying to be good humoured for christs sake, trying to make a nice, sensible, pleasant point about the nature of music and then immediately i get attacked. And just as i write this, Flaming Ostrich summed it up. You don't understand how KarBevNor can enjoy those vocals. THATS FINE. Khar still likes them! You can't make him stop liking them! You don't have to listen to it! Whats the problem!?
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I would suggest that the problem is that Khar was on the sauce the other night and so made some uncharacteristically boneheaded sweeping statements which have opened a can of worms.
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Aye. To be frank, it's good that I didn't have internet access in my room over the last two weeks, otherwise the forum would be nothing more than a smoking crater and a looping wind sound effect.
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Sounds like your latest musical project.
ZING.
I'm kidding.
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Dude, I am doing it.
The moment I can work out how to smoke a crater.
As in induce a meteorite to crash into a field of dope and huff the results.
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. . .to smoke a crater.
The sequel to To Kill A Mockingbird.
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At the risk of igniting further... 'discussion', I'm going to give my two cents on the Thorpe article.
I'll preface this by saying that I read Your Band Sucks all the time and enjoy it a lot, and if you get offended by it you're missing the entire point of the column. However, I really feel that this offering was pretty half-assed. The funny thing about Thorpe is that he's inventive. He comes up with new ways to tear down the idols, so to speak. With this article, he basically just took the standard hipster dismissals of the metal genre and hammered them into his framework. Generally, you hear syncophants parroting his statements (I must have read the damn homeless-kid-with-a-two-string-guitar comment on prog rock nearly a hundred times), but instead, it was the other way around. Not to mention the examples he picked were ridiculous. Yes, Metallica and Pantera are pretty terrible, and yes, they are two of the most well known metal bands. However, mainstream metal is a lot like all of mainstream music in that the vast majority of it is utter shit marketed to the lowest common denominator; in this case, drunken frat boys who totally fight the machine, man. Judging metal by Pantera and Metallica is like judging all of rock music by Coldplay and My Chemical Romance. It's unfair, shallow, and ridiculous. I know that Thorpe was doing it all in jest, and used those two bands as sacrificial lambs for the sake of humor, but some people love to use his words as justification for being pretentious jackasses rather than just appreciating his work for being funny.
I'll admit that there will more than likely be some pretty hilarious user mail after this one, though.
Anyway, I agree with what Johnny said in that music is subjective and people should not be jerks about it! I honestly can't understand the appeal of 90% of what the 'indie' people of this board enjoy, but if I don't have anything constructive to say in the thread, I stay the fuck out of it. I loathe Belle and Sebastian, but rather than going into that thread, shitting all over it, and ruining it for everyone else, I kept the opinion to myself and instead stuck to discussing music I enjoy with other people that like it. It's really not that difficult.
In short, Flaming Ostrich, I'm sorry to single you out, but I think the general consensus right now is that you're being a dick, so try and tone it down a bit and we'll hopefully have these kinds of posts a little less often, OK?
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In order to fight a dick, one must become a dick. It's kind of a fire vs. fire sort of arrangement. I am sorry my friends. :roll:
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Hm, true, I do love Your Band Sucks but metal was... just too easy, I guess. *shrug*
And Flaming Ostrich, who was being the dick?
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(I must have read the damn homeless-kid-with-a-two-string-guitar comment on prog rock nearly a hundred times)
heh. um.
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Right, this seems resolved. And a good thing too, because I've been drinking rum.
And gin.
and vodka.
And beer, come to that.
Hot damn I love christmas!
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(I must have read the damn homeless-kid-with-a-two-string-guitar comment on prog rock nearly a hundred times)
heh. um.
Don't worry Johnny, it's nothing against you. But I'm kind of sick of hearing that phrase now. Especially when it's so blatantly incorrect.
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Yeah you need at least four string s to destroy every prog band in history everyone knows that.
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Right, this seems resolved. And a good thing too, because I've been drinking rum.
And gin.
and vodka.
And beer, come to that.
Hot damn I love christmas!
Happy boozeday, buddy.
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Yeah you need at least four string s to destroy every prog band in history everyone knows that.
Well, if you're economcial, you can just use one string to kill all the prog bands in history, but you're better off doing it with firearms I think. Or time, but that's boring.
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Happy boozeday, buddy.
It was all sitting on top of the fridge.
It looked so sad.
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I'd do the same thing, except the top of my fridge has naught but an empty cookie jar. Ever try drinking one of those? Hoo boy.
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Do you have a blender?
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And Flaming Ostrich, who was being the dick?
Me and Khar.
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Do you have a blender?
I don't understand this. Are you saying Khar should blend all his booze together, or that ValleyParade should blend an empty cookie jar
I say this because I am not sure which would be the least painful.
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I was going to say empty cookie jar (I mean, if enough force was used, you could liquify it, right?) but the first option might be more entertaining.
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It would actually powderize.
You must understand that I am kind of an expert on blending things. My dream as a youth was to get a job doing those "Will it blend" commercials, but alas, they are bastards.
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Then you could put the powder in water! Voila!
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This thread has taken a most pleasant turn
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All that happened in the UK in the nineties, punk wise, was Poly Styrene popping out the skirting board to record another X-Ray Spex album and New Model Army buying new clogs.
We inflicted Skimmer on the world in the nineties. We've got our war crimes just like everybody else.
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I really was not aware of a war.
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True, but you're ignoring the fact that 90% of metal is made by people who have no lives and sit at home learning to play their instruments really fast, then proclaim themselves virtuosos.
You really have no clue.
No seriously.
I don't understand pretty much every critique of metal I've heard. I mean, for example, Thorpe mentions a grand total of four metal bands, two of which suck and two of which are, fair enough, easily reduced to risibility, although I'll still defend Maiden quite a bit. It's basically, I think, the fact that these critiques are based on not just ignorance, but willfull ignorance, not to mention that they are fuelled by sensibilities and aesthetics which I find quite incomprehensible, which their owners regard as somehow a sign of good breeding and maturity. 'Cool' and 'irony' and fuck knows what else. I've listened to so much indie rock. I've downloaded recommendations here, I've done mix swaps, forced listening etc. both here and on a last.fm group dominated by hipsters, and, out of my huge experience of music, 3,000+ bands, I honestly have to say that 99% of what I've heard sucks. Occasionally, I come across something that doesn't make me want to turn it off after two minutes. I listen to Neutral Milk Hotel and Patrick Wolf quite often, Red House Painters not but once in a blue moon British Sea Power and (some) Cat Power when the mood takes me. But the rest of it I've heard is pretty shit. Remember I'm not just talking from the position of someone who likes metal. I like huge amounts of music across a very wide range of genres. I like bands, to respond to that very pathetic little barb, with black people and women in them. And I just don't think that most of this indie shit really has anything to it. It seams so lacking in susbtance, so listless, so boring, so pretentious and un-fun and just...ghastly. A musical culture produced by a people who have a mindset that will bash metal bands for wearing ridiculous outfits or for being emotionally immature, and then ejaculate over bands like Devo and Tullycraft. It's just crap, but people can't get enough of it. Because its cool. I don't even want to fucking count how many times I've seen people round here, or elsewhere saying something along the lines of "I didn't like this record at first, but I forced myself to listen to it eight or so times and its starting to get good" WHY? I seriously don't get this shit. I was on youtube a few weeks ago and I thought that I'd check out Fugazi. I'll overlook the fact that they looked like primary school teachers for a second. Yeah, they rocked occasionally, I could even get into the groove now and then. Songwriting was bad, structure lousy and singing was awful. Lyrics were...well, rather cliche metal/punk fare actually. Riffs were average, drumming was slightly more interesting than your four to the floor etc. etc. It was easily tolerable, some okay rock and roll. Then I looked down at the first comment: 'most amazing thing i've seen in my entire life!'
And then I realised I had a 23 Skidoo album that needed listening to. I just don't see what the fucking fuss is about, and all these people jerking off left and right about mediocre people playing mediocre music about mediocre things, half if not all of them ripping off better bands from the past, just, well, it pisses me off. And then these people turn around and go "OMG METAL, UH! SO UNCOOL! LETS GO DRINK SOME FUCKING STARBUCKS." Whatever. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. I'm going to listen to some Amon Amarth and have more fun than you've ever imagined having you boring little fashionista tossers. Etc. etc. Blah blah. And so on it goes forth. The problem with this shit is however reasonable I want to start I'm always fucking angry and insulting everyone but my own mother by the end. Dunno why. It's probably because you suck. But I love my mum.
Ach, whatever, fuck it to be honest. The only person you do a disservice to
There's a quote from either Craig Finn of The Hold Steady or John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats about how the worst metal guitarist is probably a better musican then most indie muscians.
I'm an indie kid, but i'm just throwing out that two of my fave 'indie' musicians are HUGE metalheads. Like 'write a 30 poem cycle about Drastus' metalheads
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Name names, Eyeballs.
EDIT: Or were you talking about Finn and Darnielle? Sorry, I'm not quite sure if that's who you meant...
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TRhe mountain gotas guy wrote that drastus thing. It's very amusing in palces.
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There's a quote from either Craig Finn of The Hold Steady or John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats about how the worst metal guitarist is probably a better musican then most indie muscians.
I'm an indie kid, but i'm just throwing out that two of my fave 'indie' musicians are HUGE metalheads. Like 'write a 30 poem cycle about Drastus' metalheads
True, but most of my favorite musicians like some bands I consider awful. And since when does being a virtuoso make you good?? The only people I want to be amazing at their instruments are jazz musicians.
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And what is the actual reason why a virtuoso jazz musician is superior to a virtuoso rock or metal musician? That makes so little sense its astounding!
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I imagine that the STYLE of music that you are a virtuso at makes a difference, since being a virtuso rock musician has different requirements than being a virtuso jazz musician.
But I don't listen to jazz, and I think I'm more into the "punk" school of music, so that means nothing to me anyway....
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And what is the actual reason why a virtuoso jazz musician is superior to a virtuoso rock or metal musician? That makes so little sense its astounding!
I dunno, Khar. What I do know is that jazz drummers tend to kick the shit out of every other type of drummer.
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I have really got to hear some of this jazz everyone keeps crowing on about being so amazing.
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Those samples kinda remind me of the music for transport tycoon. The second one in particular is quite impressive, but it seems really directionless, kind of an examplar of the criticism often levelled at metal virtuosity.
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:roll: :roll: :roll:
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I would like to be known as a songwriting virtuoso above anything else.
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I'm just saying it seems pretty weak and boring compared to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58y9LZnsNI8).
I just youtubed Miles Davis, and he seems to have more promise, I will track down some more stuff.
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Wait
YOu've never listened to Miles Davis?
I thought everyone had heart Kind of Blue
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How the hell are you suposed to pretend you know something about Jazz music if you haven't heard Kind of Blue?!?
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I'm just saying it seems pretty weak and boring compared to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58y9LZnsNI8).
I hope that's a joke.
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"I actually can't think of anything bad to say about Judas Priest."
There is a good reason for this.
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How the hell are you suposed to pretend you know something about Jazz music if you haven't heard Kind of Blue?!?
I don't pretend to know anything about jazz. Pretty much the only things I listen to that have anything remotely to do with jazz whatsoever are Ephel Duath, Bohren and the Club of Gore and Coil's 'Horse Rotorvator'.
And none of those, as I'm sure you will know, are really jazz.
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So good. That's the best video ever made.
Sadly it is well-documented that you are incorrect (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOruBCrUACU&mode=related&search=).
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You are both wrong (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk30a0qsVIk).
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I don't know what's going on at any point in that video. It's more baffling than Yar's Revenge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yar's_Revenge).
Murray Head makes not only the general locale and plot clear, but he also declares where he likes to get his kicks.
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Pure fucking sex is what is going on.
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fucking sex
Redundant.
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I'm just saying it seems pretty weak and boring compared to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58y9LZnsNI8).
You think John Coltrane is weak and boring compared to Judas Priest?? I just want to be absolutely clear that's what you're trying to say here, because if it is, I'm never going to bother to try to debate you on the subject of music ever again.
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I think this thread has run its course.
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I don't think you honestly believe that this is close. You said yourself that Coltrane is the only artist who you listen to every day.
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Not only does he jump into the bank, he successfully steals his own gold record armed only with the power of rock.
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GLENN TIPTON AND K.K DOWNING OPENED A SAFE WITH POWER CHORDS
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55/ddovey/breakinthelaw.gif)
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You think John Coltrane is weak and boring compared to Judas Priest??
The two thirty second samples I heard, yes. They lacked energy, and they also lacked atmosphere. That leaves nothing but a mathematical arrangement of notes for me, and I have dyscalculia.
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Energy? Jazz is the original stoner music.
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so where's the atmosphere?
If it ain't got energy or atmosphere, what has it got?
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Rocket surgery.
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You think John Coltrane is weak and boring compared to Judas Priest??
The two thirty second samples I heard, yes. They lacked energy, and they also lacked atmosphere. That leaves nothing but a mathematical arrangement of notes for me, and I have dyscalculia.
I'm certain I'm taking your (I'm certain) flippancy entirely too seriously, but let me be the first to say it: Are you judging John Coltrane from 30 second samples?
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What else am I gonna judge him by? The samples on wikipedia, presumbably encoded by some fan who wanted to encapsulate two of his greatest and most iconic moments, left me colder than a polar bears cock, no way I'm buying an album, I've got a list of awesome shit I need as long as my arm. Maybe a download, but it still ain't a priority.
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GLENN TIPTON AND K.K DOWNING OPENED A SAFE WITH POWER CHORDS
I love how they have a big banner with the word "BANK" on it in the background like we couldn't tell.
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What else am I gonna judge him by? The samples on wikipedia, presumbably encoded by some fan who wanted to encapsulate two of his greatest and most iconic moments, left me colder than a polar bears cock, no way I'm buying an album, I've got a list of awesome shit I need as long as my arm. Maybe a download, but it still ain't a priority.
OK, I'm never going to bother arguing on the topic of music with you anymore. If you aren't willing to give John Coltrane an honest chance, then forget it.
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If I gave any musician in the world an honest chance, I'd never have the time to listen to all the music I actually like. If I look in to a musician and see nothing that interests me, why do I have to give them an honest chance? To satisfy your definition of musical taste? Fuck off.
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Khar, his music is really something that takes longer than thirty seconds to impress, it has to build up to a crescendo to really amaze. This performance is what origanally got me to check him out; http://youtube.com/watch?v=q6WwuxqXPOg so i reccomend that if you want to give him a fair chance. Then again, you don't really have to, but I certainly didn't regret the seven minutes.
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I caught a ska beat on the drums somewhere around the 6-6:30 minute mark. :-D
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There's actually some pretty good moments in that, I agree, the crescendos are good, that kind of thing can actually sustain me through a song. If thats a common feature of this stuff, then thats good. I still thought the song didn't really get good until two minutes in, the piano was kind of shit at the start and the sax veered off somewhat at the end, but I'll admit, not a bad tune at all, it held my interest even though I still kind of felt it lacked some...something. Waaaay better than most of the bouncy upbeat jazz I've ever heard, which has always struck me as pretty shit.
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Yeah, I go for free and/or depressing jazz. Makes for good moping music. Bebop and and fast, upbeat jazz is not my thing at all.
Fuck you, new page.
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Elvin Jones is easily the best drummer I've ever heard. When paired with Coltrane, as he often was, the combination is unbeatable.
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I love Jazz fusion- the technical skill of the musicians is just incredible.
If you can, get your hands on some stuff by Al DiMeola and Shawn Lane. Two best guitarists I have ever heard.
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Dream Theatre. James Labrie can go fuck a snail or something. I can't fucking stand his voice. That being said, I don't mind their instrumental tracks as much, but I can't figure out why...
Dream Theater. They're Californian, not British. But I stand with you on that! James LaBrie should be fucking shot. And the rest of the band should be disbanded. They are all almost RIDICULOUSLY talented, technically speaking, yet they can't write one decent fucking song.
Anyway, that's not important. Sonata Arctica is a great band, and I can't stand them.
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They're from Long Island, dude. The theater their name came from was in California.
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Thanks to wikipedia, we're both wrong. They're from Massachusetts.
I thought they formed at Berkley, not Berklee. One letter difference, completely different side of the continent. How do you like that shit?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_theater
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The band formed at Berklee, but the 3 core members (Petrucci, Portnoy, and Myung) all grew up together in New York. So I suppose you could look at it either way.
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I'll submit to your clearly superior knowledge of DT, as I only skimmed the top of that wiki. Man! If that's the case, they should have never gone to Berklee. Portnoy and Petrucci are a force by themselves, if either of them can take their hands out of their pants long enough to play a song.
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As opposed to Tool?
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LOL, yes as opposed to Tool.
This is an argument I'm prepared to go through QUITE thoroughly, just so you know what you're getting into.
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Fair enough.
I would win anyway.
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Boy we ALL dodged a fucking bullet there, huh? :roll:
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You two are just too cool for school, I see.
What's wrong with Tool then? Is it the filler tracks? Let me take a stab at it. Oh, is Maynard not a good singer? Or maybe the lyrics are pretensious and - oh yes I've heard it before gasp - pseudo intellectual? The guitar is simple too, right? And they're commercial and fake, as well.
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Well uh... all of those things are... true.
So, I guess I'm going to have to agree!
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I would not go around making assumptions about whether or not people are Tool fans simply because they are making snide remarks in your direction. I am a massive Tool fan, its just in this thread I have absolutely no idea what the point you're trying to make is. I'm not sure what to think of you Nimrod, half your posts are reasonable, and at least a decent attempt at contributing and the other half are just painful shit.
I guess this may be considered a "trial run" trying to figure out how not to be ridiculed here or something, in which case, good luck.
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Well I enjoy an honest music discussion as much as the next chap, but I try to enjoy myself as well. If people don't get me, I don't mind. I realize that I've just randomly shown up here without an introduction. Basically I'm just a bored Customer Service Representative with internet access. Been reading QC for awhile but never bothered to check out the forums before yesterday.
But everyone has to stand up for their favorite band when they're under assault, no? I'm just really tired of hearing the same old trash arguments against Tool when it's pretty clear to me that the people who spout them haven't really listened to the band fairly.
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How the fuck do you listen to a band "fairly"
It's like when people tell me something is an "acquired taste", they mean that I am going to have to fucking MAKE myself enjoy it through sheer force of will. What a fucking crock. If a person listens to a band and doesn't like them, they're under no obligation to discover the wonderous world of Tool or whatever fucking band we're talking about.
For example there are not enough fucking drugs in the world to help me enjoy Impaled Nazerene. However, if someone here told me I just "hadn't given them enough of a chance" I would crack the shits, because I have listened to a decent chunk of their discography and I just think they're shit. The reasons I have for doing so are no more or less legitimate than the reasons people don't like Tool.
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Oh come on man, there aren't drugs that could make someone NOT like Armageddon Death Squad.
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While we're on the topic of impossible bands to defend, how about that Deadsy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadsy)? They released a new album, you know. The guy from KoRn called it "important music."
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HAIL JOHNNY
SAVER OF THREADS
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You know, I was just looking for some Deadsy stuff on youtube, and I came across this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxig1KVi-Go) acoustic performance.
Guys, this is better than a lot of indie stuff I can think of.
Also, this is what they sound like normally apparently: The Key to Gramercy Park (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NISwOt6Ik). Okay, the video looks like straight guys pretending to be Culture Club, but, well, the music ain't that bad. Crushingly unoriginal, but I can think of far, far, far more obnoxious bands. Like...well, KoRn. Limp Bizkit. Many of their peers, in fact. They're just an Orgy/Celldweller/Zeromancer rip off with bad dress sense.
Not that Orgy, Celldweller or Zeromancer had good dress sense.
But, what I'm saying is, basically, as someone who would still count themselves as a fan of Deathstars and Zeromancer, I cannot honestly proclaim hate against this. Lets all find a worst band in the world we can agree on.
Gentlemen you know who I mean.
(http://www.notableandnotorious.com/Posters/Murals/MR733.jpg)
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still count themselves as a fan of Deathstars
There's your problem right there.
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still count themselves as a fan of Deathstars
There's your problem right there.
Come off it, Deathstars are brill. They're cheesier than Marilyn Manson (an achievement in itself) and musically superior to boot. They're just a fun band, plus, if it ever bores you, you can always think to yourself that the drummer played on The Somberlain and Storm of the Light's Bane, and the whole thing just takes on a whole new dimension. I don't think they're some sort of Gods of music or whatever, but then again, I'm pretty fucking sure they don't either. I'm sick to death of people telling me its wrong to like cheese like Cradle of Filth and Deathstars, and then going off and ranting about how much they like Michael Jackson or the new Justin Timberlake record.
That said, I just remembered my ex burned me a copy of the new Cradle of Filth. Time to disable my audioscrobbler plugin and indulge.
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Wonderwall, in defiance of all human logic, being made worse. (http://www.purevolume.com/thegaiacorporation)
God...I used to respect Italy for its music.
Anyway, there are a ton of bands that are either "classic" or really well-respected in various genres I enjoy that I either totally hate or just don't really like:
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones
Slayer
Green Day
RHCP
Dream Theater
ELP
Pink Floyd
Dillinger Escape Plan
Pavement
Nomeansno
etc, etc
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Have we argued and fought enough in this thread yet??
If not, let's start again: you're a fucking idiot if you don't like Pavement. And I mean that literally. Only dumb people don't like Pavement.
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Pavement is cool. Er, was. Still is. Damn the articles.
How to listen to a band fairly:
1. Get a whole album, at least, if not the available discography.
2. Crank it the fuck up and play it.
3. Actively listen to it, do not just let it be background noise.
Alternate method:
1. Go see them live.
2. See them.
That's how you get yourself a nice shiny "Fair listener" gold star.
Sheesh!
If the person in question still doesn't like the band, then it can be relegated to a matter of taste and by all means let fly with the ridicule.
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If you don't like a band, why would you pay to go see them live? If there's logic there, I can't see it.
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Those wacky Brits.
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If you don't like a band, why would you pay to go see them live?
Support acts? That said I can't really think of a single band that I've discovered through a live show.
Okay, scratch that, I can't think of a single band that I've discovered through a live show that I still liked when I played their demo in the morning and I was sober.
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I didn't realize how much I liked Queens Of The Stone Age until I saw them live. And I never knew that Kyuss or Mark Lanegan even existed until I I realized how much I liked QOTSA.
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Okay, scratch that, I can't think of a single band that I've discovered through a live show that I still liked when I played their demo in the morning and I was sober.
Swing Metal with werewolf based lyrical themes seemed like such a fucking brilliant idea when I was drunk.
Sober, not so much.
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Okay, scratch that, I can't think of a single band that I've discovered through a live show that I still liked when I played their demo in the morning and I was sober.
Really? I discovered two really good opening acts at one show show earlier this year, and that's just what I can think of off the top of my head. If I think enough about it I can probably find a whole lot of bands that I enjoy precisely because I saw them open for someone else.
Also Deadsy are incredibly fucking terrible. In fact I am willing to say they are on par with Insane Clown Posse, because at least the Insane Clown Posse's ideas of grandeur aren't complete delusions. Deadsy are like the insane homeless man who believes he's the king of Spain and pees on your ankle every time you go into the park. Meanwhile the Insane Clown Posse also believe they are the king of Spain but at least they're in the asylum; everyone knows about them, nobody takes them seriously, they are utterly harmless and everyone in the asylum calls them "your highness" and believes it so they've really acheived all they want. Deadsy are on the loose.
Oh, and
I'm sick to death of people telling me its wrong to like cheese like Cradle of Filth and Deathstars, and then going off and ranting about how much they like Michael Jackson or the new Justin Timberlake record.
Michael Jackson produced two positively classic records in Thriller and Bad, while Timberlake's new album is an immaculately-produced collection of subversively-written pop opuses. Calling them "cheesy" would be flying in the face of popular opinion, the critical establishment, the large chunk of the independent community which has embraced these records and general good taste.
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ICP's early stuff is fucking funny. Seriously funny!
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Also Deadsy are incredibly fucking terrible. In fact I am willing to say they are on par with Insane Clown Posse, because at least the Insane Clown Posse's ideas of grandeur aren't complete delusions. Deadsy are like the insane homeless man who believes he's the king of Spain and pees on your ankle every time you go into the park. Meanwhile the Insane Clown Posse also believe they are the king of Spain but at least they're in the asylum; everyone knows about them, nobody takes them seriously, they are utterly harmless and everyone in the asylum calls them "your highness" and believes it so they've really acheived all they want. Deadsy are on the loose.
I cannot believe how good this analogy is.
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Strong boarding, Johnny...that was a great analogy. Although the reference to San Diego and "your highness" makes me think of the book "Bloodsucking Fiends" by Christopher Moore...you haven't read that, have you?
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Reference to San Diego?
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Michael Jackson produced two positively classic records in Thriller and Bad, while Timberlake's new album is an immaculately-produced collection of subversively-written pop opuses.
All opinion isn't it? You might pursuade me with the MJ, but, seriously, Timberlakes record is shit. Everything he's ever done his shit. The only passable thing about the man in terms of a musical star is his choreography. He was also savvy enough to get some big name producers on his latest record (although you wouldn't necessarily notice) and has been lucky enough to get picked up as one of the albums of the year that supposed to prove the populist credentials of the music press. That said, I do remember one brilliant, I think it was in a paper, review of (I think just) the single that basically said that Justin Timberlake is about as hot as a liquid nitrogen enema and that the idea that he has some control of the commodity of 'sexy' is as insulting as his bland vocal delivery and uninspired beats.
You seriously think Deadsy are worse than ICP? Man I cannot even understand that value judgement. Yeah, they're not a good band, but fuck, have you heard ICP? First thing I could grab off Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW2NzfNBLUA). Or KoRn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--FKJ1jUR9w). Limp Bizkit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlBNVcrLpcs)? Even in the same 'genre' Deadsy aren't anywhere near rock bottom. Bear in mind this is an objective judgement I'm making having not heard them before yesterday. Yes, their costumes and pretensions and what not are ridiculous, but so are those of many other artists, not all of them by any means nu-metal, or whatever. MF Doom or the Animal Collective wear masks and hipsters love it, these guys wear different coloured clothes and suffer scorn? Good on them for trying something like that, even if it is half-assed and juvenile, and I've seen a lot worse to be honest. Your analogy isn't great because, to be frank, this is just an average industrial rock band with a small devoted fan-club and delusions of grandeur. Wow. Hold the presses. Musics gonna DIE. :roll:
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Although the reference to San Diego and "your highness" makes me think of the book "Bloodsucking Fiends" by Christopher Moore...you haven't read that, have you?
I haven't! Is it good? I am looking for reading right now because I made the damn fool mistake of lending away both Lolita and Vernon God Little.
Not only have I heard ICP, I've played their shit-terrible Backyard Wrestling video game which is laden with their likeness and their songs, but as obnoxious as they are I find Deadsy worse. KoRn turned into a band of such self-parody - their guitarist quitting because he found Jesus? that video which didn't get released because the frontman eats his poo? the awkward episode of some celebrity show on VH1 where he shows off Jeffrey Dahmer's car and declares his intention to open a serial killer museum? the part where he calls Deadsy (and this is key, so pay attention) important music? - that you can only laugh at them. They are not the worst band. Limp Bizkit are serious business but this isn't 1999 so nobody really gives a shit about Limp Bizkit. They're not releasing records, and everyone has agreed for a while that they are absolutely terrible. Despite the child-touching lyrics, ridiculous mission statement about how their lead singer whose name is P. Blue Exeter or some stupid garbage (and, by the way, is the demon-seed of Cher and Her Husband Before Sonny Bono) represents "academia," Deadsy still have complete fools like the gentleman from Korn calling their stuff "important music" and one of the guys from Duran Duran playing on their album. Whereas your examples have faded (rightfully) into obscurity, Deadsy have nowhere to go but up. This is what makes it important that we recognize them as ridiculously bad tripe right now.
And seriously, the only way you guys can say that the new Justin Timberlake album is bad is if your ears are completely broken. I've done you the service of making a couple of Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=cheap+professional+ear+doctors&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8) Searches (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-US&q=hearing+aids) that might help you out (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-US&q=how+can+i+contact+dr.+kevorkian).
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Muwahaha. Spicy.
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And seriously, the only way you guys can say that the new Justin Timberlake album is bad is if your ears are completely broken. I've done you the service of making a couple of Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=cheap+professional+ear+doctors&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8) Searches (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-US&q=hearing+aids) that might help you out (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-US&q=how+can+i+contact+dr.+kevorkian).
Or perhaps if, you know, we genuinely thought of it as uninspired, middle-of-the-road, self-important horse shit? Hell, Justin Timberlake can actually do better than this. I blame Timbaland.
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and one of the guys from Duran Duran playing on their album.
How is that in any way a bad thing?
I would comment on that single one of their songs, but one of my favourite albums has a song called 'Preteen Deathfuck' on it. I presume they're probably singing from someone elses perspective.
The thing is, I don't even like this band, I wouldn't listen to them, probably, but they are so, so far removed from being the worst band ever it's just ridiculous. I'm just going to jump in to the Portal of Evils music section and take two links.
http://www.bylliremixed.8k.com/ (http://www.bylliremixed.8k.com/)
http://www.portalofevil.com/single.php?poeurlid=32712 (http://www.portalofevil.com/single.php?poeurlid=32712)
Seriously, Deadsy isn't such a tragedy.
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Or perhaps if, you know, we genuinely thought of it as uninspired, middle-of-the-road, self-important horse shit? Hell, Justin Timberlake can actually do better than this. I blame Timbaland.
(actually the record should show i really have nothing against subjective opinion, if you didn't like justin timberlake that's fine - my evaluation of it says "good album" but you aren't me!)
(however if timbaland would maybe stop trying to sing the hook in every song he likes)
Khar I'm clearly not going to convince you, but that Duran Duran guy's appearance is a bad thing because it starts to lend them credibility. The nu-metal guys have faded into obscurity but Duran Duran have kitschy name recognition, nostalgia, a couple of classic tunes and twenty years which give them some cultural currency. The last thing Deadsy should have is credibility.
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(actually the record should show i really have nothing against subjective opinion, if you didn't like justin timberlake that's fine - my evaluation of it says "good album" but you aren't me!)
(however if timbaland would maybe stop trying to sing the hook in every song he likes)
Actually the record should show that you said
the only way you guys can say that the new Justin Timberlake album is bad is if your ears are completely broken.
That sounds like an attempt at stating subjective opinion as objective fact to me. Of course, it's quite obviously done in jest, so I don't even know why I'm arguing the point. I guess it's just fun.
Like I said, I think Justin Timberlake has the potential to make albums that can be described like you describe Futuresex/Lovesounds, but FS/LS, is not it.
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The last thing Deadsy should have is credibility.
Why not?
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my biggest problem is that i'll make a stand and say "I don't like this band" then i find that i like a song by them. such as Dave Matthews Band. i hated them, then i heard 'american baby' and was like 'wow, i like that song' and found out it was dave matthews. also, i don't like the stones, but if someone covers a stones song, i like it. its very weird. i guess i just dont like mick jagger's voice.
so i try to give most bands a fair shot and just say i dont like certain songs. because half the time i change my mind and then i look like a hypocrite.
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Of course, it's quite obviously done in jest, so I don't even know why I'm arguing the point. I guess it's just fun.
Which is actually the main reason I come in here. Hi-five.
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(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55/ddovey/nethi5.jpg)
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(http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/299/highfivewy2.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
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(http://www.manuelbieh.de/kram/blog_highfive.jpg)
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Buffonerous Hi-fivery
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(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/elobue1/HighFiveclean-sm.jpg)
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WNBA? This is going too far. A high-five is supposed to between a man and another man.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/KharBevNor/vietnamhighfives2.jpg)
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Touche. Where's my photoshop when I need it?
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So I guess this thread proves that Pavement is the greatest band ever because nobody argued my point. Bonerz.
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Here's some...
(http://photography.christopherleary.com/dublin/pavement.jpg)
And some more...
(http://www.jimdiamondmd.com/photogallery/Epjesus%20Pavement.jpg)
Ooh! This pavement's not doing so well.
(http://www.crrel.usace.army.mil/concrete/pavement.jpg)
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WNBA? This is going too far. A high-five is supposed to between a man and another man.
Jeez man, it's just college hoops. It's not like they're getting paid.
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Still! It degrades legit high-fives everywhere. We need to ammend the constitution to ban sissy-fives.
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So I guess this thread proves that Pavement is the greatest band ever because nobody argued my point. Bonerz.
One could assert that nobody argued the point because nobody cares enough about Pavement either way to bother saying a single word on the topic.
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My little cousin is a tiny 5 year old and I bet she gives better high-fives than the majority of you sissies.
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One could assert that nobody argued the point because nobody cares enough about Pavement either way to bother saying a single word on the topic.
I only seem to hear of Pavement as the punchline to jokes about indie. I seriously can't recall anyone, either online or offline, ever actually talking about their music, recommending them or even commenting about them as a band.
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Same here, nor have I ever heard a Pavement song, and I'm not sure I know anyone who has.
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That's because the people you know or have met are idiots with no taste. :wink:
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I like Pavement alright. Radiohead is better, though.
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That's the most backhanded praise I've ever heard.
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It is pretty ambiguous.
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That's the most backhanded praise I've ever heard.
I can do better.
Radiohead are brilliant because they help me define what decent music sounds like.
Think about that one.
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I only seem to hear of Pavement as the punchline to jokes about indie. I seriously can't recall anyone, either online or offline, ever actually talking about their music, recommending them or even commenting about them as a band.
This is basically because they're the most neutral band in the history of anything. I downloaded a couple of albums awhile ago to see what all the lack of fuss was about; it was the most unremarkable thing I've ever heard. I couldn't think of a good reason to turn it off, but neither could I think of any way to describe why I would want to continue listening to it.
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That's the most backhanded praise I've ever heard.
I can do better.
Radiohead are brilliant because they help me define what decent music sounds like.
Think about that one.
Actually, that's not very good unless you indicate what else helps you define what decent music sounds like. For example, I can't define what good music sounds like based on Cradle of Filth, but I can based on them and Jethro Tull.
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cradle of filth? i like some of their stuff, especially the songs with sarah jezebel diva.
and as a chick i have to say, i give excellent high fives. and really rippin indian burns.
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That's the most backhanded praise I've ever heard.
A girl once told me I sing pretty well, for a guy.
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I have been told on a few occasions by girls that I'm such a fantastic friend and all around nice person, that they sometimes forget I'm a guy.
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I've been told "You're just one of the girls."
How emasculating.
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A lady once told me she was convinced I was gay, then slept with me.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO THINK.
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I think "Score" ought to do.
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I've been told "You're just one of the girls."
How emasculating.
Does that get you into the girls' locker room though?
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Getting relegated to Let's Just Be Friends status probably does not secure locker room entry... even if you are gay
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If you think about it, homosexuality renders the seperation of locker rooms by gender somewhat amusing, as does letting little kids in them with their parents when they're under a certain age. Unisex with cubicles would be the way to go I think.
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Definitely would be the way to go. Plus can you imagine the possiblities for locker room quickie orgies?
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"orgasmic glee"
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God-DAMN that's awesome.
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ZOMG GUYS LEZBEENS!
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TEH VAGINA SEXXXX
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Have we argued and fought enough in this thread yet??
If not, let's start again: you're a fucking idiot if you don't like Pavement. And I mean that literally. Only dumb people don't like Pavement.
Oh, I thought it meant I don't like listening to shit, my mistake.
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Red Hot Chili Peppers are so boring.
Shut up about California! I've never even been and I'm sick of the place!
dude not ALL of their songs are about california, just the big hits usually
if you find them boring, i recommend their cds FREAKY STYLEY and THE UPLIFT MOFO PARTY PLAN, just to get you warmed up. if you still dont like them after those.... fine. hate them. more funk for me.
:-D
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I don't really dig either Deerhoof or Xui Xui. Maybe they're too weird for me or something.
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Holy Crap, thread revival from beyond the grave!
I'm still undecided about Modest Mouse. Isaac Brock is just really silly.
Also I'd like to publicly state that the last two pages of this thread is pretty good reading.
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Wow guys. This really is from beyond the grave. Anyways, I like some Modest Mouse alright. I have "This is a Long Drive. . ." and "Lonesome Crowded West." Pretty decent listening.
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I like the former but not the latter, Julia. I guess it's because Deerhoof make frequent concessions to the idea of "melody."
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Radiohead...I know
Nirvana
Rolling Stones
Led Zeppelin
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I don't really dig either Deerhoof or Xui Xui. Maybe they're too weird for me or something.
You might like Xiu Xiu, though.
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I could never get into The Flaming Lips.
And I have a friend that absolutely hates The Beatles.
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Wonderwall, in defiance of all human logic, being made worse. (http://www.purevolume.com/thegaiacorporation)
You are a cruel human being for unleashing that on the world. I now have to go listen to "Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others" on repeat to cleanse my soul.
I am undoubtedly going to get an internet beating for this but, The Arctic Monkeys. They need to shut the fuck up, stop insulting other musicians, stop calling the radio stations that have made them famous out for playing crappy music (ironic, no?), and stop releasing garbage music.
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The Arctic Monkeys had an awful live show one time, they had no energy and were on stage talking about how they were only there because they had to be. They didn't even play that well, it ruined them for me as a band.
Also, and a lot of my friends get pretty perturbed about this with me: I CAN NOT STAND THE SMASHING PUMPKINS
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I am undoubtedly going to get an internet beating for this but, The Arctic Monkeys.
No you won't; the Arctic Monkeys suck.
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in which parallel universe do the arctic monkeys qualify as 'a great band'
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I don't like Oasis at all. I also don't really like Sigur Ros. I'm not into Liars either. Didn't they get 2nd best album of the year on pitchfork or something?
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I don't really dig either Deerhoof or Xui Xui. Maybe they're too weird for me or something.
You might like Xiu Xiu, though.
TOUCHE! I feel bad now since I'm such a stickler for band/singer spellings too.
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U2 and Coldplay.
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in which parallel universe do the arctic monkeys qualify as 'a great band'
The way I figure it, "great band" in this thread has been interpreted as "band that a lot of people listen to" more than "band that has achieved legendary status."
The Arctic Monkeys are just pricks in general. If they were nice people, I might have given them a second listen.
Recent Vintage, are you fucking serious? That's really rock bottom for people who consider themselves artists, no?
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Well which band has achieved legendary status?
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The Beatles, Stones, U2?
Household names, in other words.
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I seem to be one of the few people on the face of the Earth who doesn't like Radiohead. I mean, Airbag is a pretty cool song. And the album Kid A is kind of cool, but boring. But I'm basically just that one weird guy around here who doesn't like Radiohead. And people say "I didn't like them either at first, cause they were too weird," and I just reply that I listen to music that's far weirder.
Oh ya, and I don't really like Pink Floyd either.
1. Dude, there is a nation of Radiohead haters out there. I'm not among them, but you could probably join an official chatroom somewhere about how Radiohead are shit.
2. Disliking Radiohead and disliking the Floyd - two of my favourite bands, it must be said - are not really mutually exclusive.
I don't like Radiohead, but I don't think they are shit either. I respect them musically and all, but I just can't get into it very well, but who knows I may eventually.
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I hate Radiohead and Pink Floyd...I also think that the Beatles are vastly overrated.