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Fun Stuff => CLIKC => Topic started by: jeph on 26 Feb 2007, 16:47
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This thread will obviously contain spoilers, so no complaining if someone "ruins" a game you haven't beaten yet or whatever.
ANYWAY
Guys I beat Crackdown for the 360 this morning and I have to say it has the worst ending I have ever seen in a video game, let alone a game that is otherwise so ridiculously fun. I mean JESUS. M. Night Shymalan would be embarassed by the end of Crackdown.
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As somebody who hasn't bought it yet, I'm more worried about the fact that you finished it in less than a week.
And that's assuming you got it on Day 1.
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Kotor2: So much potential wasted.
Dawn of War: You defeat the big demon, stop the forces of chaos only to run away from the planet.
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Zelda: TP
Midna turns into a woman. Woop-dee-fucking-doo.
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Did you ever play Ultima: Nemesis?
Worst ending in existence. You spend countless hours leveling gathering your shit and making your way through the Nemesis's tower, to put these retarded ass cards in the right spots on the podium thingy, and then... the credits roll.
WHERE WAS MY END BOSS BATTLE GODDAMNIT!
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I thought KOTOR had a pretty bad ending. You ran through the Star Forge, with some great battles between you and the dark jedi, and then you have to fight Bastila alone, and eventually Malak. As tight (and difficult) as those battles were, the ending FMV sequence was the biggest let down ever.
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I completely agree with Crackdown, especially the lame Evil Laugh the announcer pulls. Hell, they didn't even lead up to it: there was no story for 99% of the game, then at the end there's this about-face plot-twist for the sole purpose of an interesting sequel. I do, however, also agree that the rest of the game is ridiculously entertaining, although Co-Op partners are scarce.
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The ending to Halo 2 pretty much pissed me off.
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Zelda: TP
Midna turns into a woman. Woop-dee-fucking-doo.
Yeah, but she was a hot woman.
Personally? The Kingdom Hearts I ending was so overly cheesy it made me want to stab Billy Zane. I can't honestly think of anything else, besides Halo 2.
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FEAR's ending was pretty lame. The way the story progresses made me sympathetic to certain characters you are forced to kill at the end.
There's no alternate way to end the game, other than dying.
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PC game called Dungeon Siege. After numerous cinematics in glorious 3D throughout the game and same pretty nice gameplay, you beat the big bad dude at the end and get some written text about how cool you are for beating him and how you should feel proud. The End. Compared to the hell you've been through, the lamest thing I'd ever seen.
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I didn't like the ending in either KOTOR game, ESPECIALLY the second one. It just started getting interesting... and then it stopped. Maybe I am in the minority when I say I would have been happier if it was longer, the last third of it was just so good and the terrible ending destroyed it.
I have always thought the endings in Zelda games were kind of lame too. The games are great, but the endings have always seemed sort of pointless to me.
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I hated the ending of the Pc and Xbox 360 FPS Prey
you get all these kind of cool weapons and then you go to face the big boss lady of the ship and it is probably the easiest fight out of the whole game
oh, and I hated the ending to halo 2 as well
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FEAR's ending was pretty lame. The way the story progresses made me sympathetic to certain characters you are forced to kill at the end.
There's no alternate way to end the game, other than dying.
Thats not the ending. You continue on in Extraction point. But wait till the expansion goes down in price, its not that long of a campaign to pay 30 bucks for. But yeah, Fear's ending was kinda lame. Extraction points is worse as you kill the last guy and there isn't even a cut scene its straight to credits.
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Final Fantasy X.
Seriously, that ending blew twelve kinds of chunks.
The final boss battles? Easy, like a hot knife through butter.
I do not understand why people are all like "FFX iz thuh bestest FF evrr." I was terribly disappointed in it.
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i honestly dont really remember endings to many games. i guess i dont really play them for the endings.
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The funny thing is, I can't think of any really bad game endings. I mean most of the NES endings are awful and short, but that was the limitation of the technology.
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I third the Crackdown ending. It was all good, then they tacked on a "governmental conspiracy" ending-thing. I was like, "what the hell"?
It would have been much better if they simply left it at "Hey, you cleaned up the city of crime. Good for you."
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For Xbox, I'd have to say the game I had the most fun playing with a terrible ending was 'Gladius'. A fun game, if you like RTS and RPG; however, the ending was so terribly flat and predictable I was completely underwhelmed.
Also, 'Gauntlet: Seven Sorrows'. I paid for seven sorrows, dangit, not six-with-a-poorly-conceived-M. Night Shyamalan-wannabe-twist. Grrrrrr.
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Zelda: TP
Midna turns into a woman. Woop-dee-fucking-doo.
Yeah, but she was a hot woman.
True.
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Kotor2: So much potential wasted.
I agree, the ending was such a disappointment.
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Soul Calibur 2, Weaponmaster Quest.
It was awful.
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Well Weapon Master WAS a very generic bonus mode. Try Soul Calibur 3's Weapon master if you want some pretty decent storytelling.
Also, I have never really been let down by a game's ending. I also don't actually play games often enough.
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Did you ever play Ultima: Nemesis?
Worst ending in existence. You spend countless hours leveling gathering your shit and making your way through the Nemesis's tower, to put these retarded ass cards in the right spots on the podium thingy, and then... the credits roll.
Wait . . . that was the ending for Ultima: Exodus! Is Nemesis a funny name for Exodus?? Also, you practically had to wade through dragons to get to that point. And any game can finish with a big boss battle - how many medieval-esque R.P.G.s end with you having to insert three discs into a bizarre, anacronistic, evil computer? Come on! (Basically I will not hear a bad word said about Ultimas 3, 4, or 5.)
I was pretty disappointed with the ending of Deus Ex. Having three possible endings does not make the conclusion of the game three times as good, it makes it three times as "Ehh".
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Oblivion didn't have me caring at all. I can't actually remember what happened. It was all impending doom omg (but with a layer of knowing that even if you don't do anything about it it's not gonna get any worse) and then you went through some trippy garden, there was one of those aweful 'escort some dude' levels and somehow you ended up getting everyone in the street recognising you and no more story at all, even though the world continues afterwards.
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Did you ever play Ultima: Nemesis?
Worst ending in existence. You spend countless hours leveling gathering your shit and making your way through the Nemesis's tower, to put these retarded ass cards in the right spots on the podium thingy, and then... the credits roll.
Wait . . . that was the ending for Ultima: Exodus! Is Nemesis a funny name for Exodus?? Also, you practically had to wade through dragons to get to that point. And any game can finish with a big boss battle - how many medieval-esque R.P.G.s end with you having to insert three discs into a bizarre, anacronistic, evil computer? Come on! (Basically I will not hear a bad word said about Ultimas 3, 4, or 5.)
Ah, nope, you are correct. For some reason I was remembering the name as Nemesis... either way that ending made me want to punch babies.
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Here's the thing. It's REALLY hard to do a good ending. For anything, actually. There's a series of thin lines between what constitutes a good ending, and what constitutes cliched, outright bad, nonsensical, etc. Furthermore, I think it's especially hard in videogames because they are games. Thinking about the very definition of the word 'game', it's something you do for fun or entertainment. Videogames shouldn't necessarily be like books or movies, where you expect a satisfactory conclusion. Most game companies have to look ahead to the future and will leave either plot holes or an outright cliffhanger (Halo 2) to make you want to play the sequel.
In fact, let's take Halo 2. By all accounts, it's a better game than the first. But the kind of ending it employs could only work for the second game in the series because the first game had been successful, and while developing the second they pretty much knew it was going to be a franchise and they'd make at least one more sequel. Hence, you can't have a wrap-it-up ending.
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Final Fantasy XII
I put over 80 hours of work into that game and it had the most unsatisfactory ending of any Final Fantasy ever. The first part of the ending was fine, sacrificing yourself and all that. It was the second half, where Penelo is reading her letter or whater...please, let something else interesting happen! That ring? Not interesting, as I forgot it even existed. The Strahl disappering? Not interesting, because it was totally expected. I just kept on expecting some little twist in there, or I don't even know what. SOMETHING to happen.
But it was short, boring and unsatisfying. Grrr.
That said, I had a blast playing the actual game. :-P
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Dreamfall: The Longest Journey. Has THE MOTHER of all cliffhangers, I shit you not. However, I still felt that it was a cliffhanger done right...
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Personally, Mario Bros. 2 for the NES was so bad. Any ending that's just all "OMG IT WAS A DREAM" pisses me off.
Resident Evil 4 made me want to set myself on fire.
Of course, I couldn't really see it too well because of the ridiculous amount of CHEESE. I mean, seriously.
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Gears of War is the only game I've played to completion in recent memory, so I can't really say. I watched Jeph play crackdown a little bit one day, and I think I'm going to get the game despite the ending because it just looks like a lot of fun.
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What's crackdown about?
I can't really remember games with bad endings as when I used to play games I hardly ever completed them.
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I can't really say what the story is, but basically you're a supercop type guy, and you run around completing missions and generally causing mayhem alla Grand Theft Auto 3. As you go along you gain experience and upgrade certain skills, like Deus Ex. When I was watching the game, Jeph's character could jump over one story buildings and pick up and throw small cars.
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Orbert: I was going to mention Dungeon Siege but then saw you did it for me :D
It was an excellent game, brilliant in many ways and then it's like they ran out of money for the credits.
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That's the thing with Crackdown: there really isn't a story, and then they try to pull a twist out of their ass at the end. The synopsis for the entire game is "you are RoboCop, go apeshit on bad guys". It works well enough, too. I think I'd only recommend the game if you've got some good co-op buddies (which are hard to find), because it is far too short a game.
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Anyone ever play the PC Shooter "Red Faction"?
You run around trying to free the slave workers or whatever for the longest time and then "Hey, we're done. Time to return to earth now." He kind of flirts with the lady that's been helping him, but just slightly. Very disappointing ending.
And as for the comment on how video games aren't books and movies: True, but I think they are as legitimate an art as either of those two mediums. It's vastly different because of the hands-on approach to the people enjoying them, but that doesn't mean they are inherently faulty. I recognize it's a business, much like producing movies and publishing books are. One of my goals in life is to try and get video games recognized as a legitimate art.
Pretty grandiose goal, but what can I say? It's one of my passions.
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Did Crackdown come out for the PS2, or is it just 360, PS3, and possibly Wii?
Also, Lord of the Rings: The Third Age's ending was very disappointing, in that they just used to movie clip from towards the end of Return of the King (Barad-dur falling down and Sauron exploding). I was expecting something a little more kick-ass from such a great game.
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It's published by Microsoft, so it is 360 and that is all.
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Anyone ever play the PC Shooter "Red Faction"?
You run around trying to free the slave workers or whatever for the longest time and then "Hey, we're done. Time to return to earth now." He kind of flirts with the lady that's been helping him, but just slightly. Very disappointing ending.
And as for the comment on how video games aren't books and movies: True, but I think they are as legitimate an art as either of those two mediums. It's vastly different because of the hands-on approach to the people enjoying them, but that doesn't mean they are inherently faulty. I recognize it's a business, much like producing movies and publishing books are. One of my goals in life is to try and get video games recognized as a legitimate art.
Pretty grandiose goal, but what can I say? It's one of my passions.
Dreamfall, I think, was one game that probably had both qualities. Final Fantasy VII's story can suck it, Dreamfall's was way better. The only thing I didn't like was the soft rock song/speedboat scene. To be fair, you probably would have to play The Longest Journey (prequel) first to understand the story a little better, but that one also probably had both qualities, however more on the book side. And I just found out today that they're doing the seque in episodes/accumulated package as well as 'possibly' doing an MMO set in the game world of the trilogy.
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You run around trying to free the slave workers or whatever for the longest time and then "Hey, we're done. Time to return to earth now." He kind of flirts with the lady that's been helping him, but just slightly. Very disappointing ending.
i played the sequel...which was underwhelming. i never finished it though, because i realized that i could be playing better games. though it was ambitious with the whole being able to blow up walls and stuff. the technology didn't allow them to use that concept to it's full potential sadly. :\
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Well, when I mean games as art, the first one that comes to mind is Planescape: Torment. There is no other fathomable medium I can think of that really delivers the same impact that game has. You control an episode in the life of a man that can't die. It's pretty freakin' mind-bending and if it wasn't for the ability to make your own choices in that universe, it wouldn't be half as good.
Anyway, on disappointing endings, Front Mission 4. Not because it's bad for story purposes, but because they have you play as two separate groups the entire game and never have them meet up and fight in the same battle. I was pretty saddened by this.
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I've seen Front Mission 4 for really cheap at my local Gamestop, but I've heard such bad things about it I never bothered. I DEVOURED Front Mission 3 back in the day, so it was kind of a sad day to hear that the PS2 version of a Front Mission game was pretty assy.
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Kingdom Heats had a beautiful, heart-wrenching ending. KHII, however, had a decent ending wrapped in a shitty tie-in for a sequel. I love the KH series, and wouldn't mind a sequel, but seriously, you don't need to do it that way. It's very irritating.
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I've seen Front Mission 4 for really cheap at my local Gamestop, but I've heard such bad things about it I never bothered. I DEVOURED Front Mission 3 back in the day, so it was kind of a sad day to hear that the PS2 version of a Front Mission game was pretty assy.
I actually liked it quite a bit. I just wish they actually combined the two interwoven plots better.
Best FM game ever, not in the least. It was still fun, though.
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Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines.
Excellent game, but it's too damn short and the ending's a letdown.
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You obviously didn't get the Loner ending then. That was one of the best endings ever.
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I got the Anarch Lacroix blowing himself up when he opens the sarcophagus and Jack in a deckchair ending.
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Kingdom Heats had a beautiful, heart-wrenching ending. KHII, however, had a decent ending wrapped in a shitty tie-in for a sequel. I love the KH series, and wouldn't mind a sequel, but seriously, you don't need to do it that way. It's very irritating.
QFT
the whole "hey, it's a letter from [insert character here]! *GAME END*" has been done way too many times.
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Note: These are opinions. Also, I will begin listing games which never had much of a story anyhow...
Crackdown.
Final Fantasy 10.
Dawn of War.
Dawn of War: Dark Crusade.
Tony Hawk's Underground 2
Tony Hawk's Project 8
Fable (The ending made me sad. Fable is one of my favorite games ever.)
Devil May Cry 2 (Why did I even play it...?)
ANY fighting game. ESPECIALLY DoA
Crash Bandicoot games
Guitar Hero
Knights of the Old Republic 2 (and it was such a good game...)
Final Fantasy 8
Final Fantasy 12 (So effing cliche)
I'll stop whining now...
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I got the Anarch Lacroix blowing himself up when he opens the sarcophagus and Jack in a deckchair ending.
Ah, that one's good, but the Loner ending just has a little extra panache to it. Any ending that makes me say "Kick ass!" and then afterwards make me smile uncontrollably and giggle like a little schoolgirl is a good ending in my book.
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It's published by Microsoft, so it is 360 and that is all.
Don't forget PC. Microsoft was a PC developer first and foremost (Halo, anyone??) Gears of War has already been confirmed for the PC and the popularity of Crackdawn definetly doesn't exclude it from becoming a possible port. And I second Vampire: Bloodlines as having a horrible ending. The game was really great almost the whole way through but the end was just so poorly done. It was upsetting.
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SaGa Frontier. I absolutely fucking loved the game and have played through it many times, but the endings for each of the characters are all so short and anticlimactic. :|
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I got the Anarch Lacroix blowing himself up when he opens the sarcophagus and Jack in a deckchair ending.
Ah, that one's good, but the Loner ending just has a little extra panache to it. Any ending that makes me say "Kick ass!" and then afterwards make me smile uncontrollably and giggle like a little schoolgirl is a good ending in my book.
When I play through it again I must try to get that ending.
One thing that annoyed me was after the battle with the sherriff, I was kinda expecting some kind of all-out battle of some description with Lacroix. I mean, you fight your way into the tower, kill the sherriff and then Lacroix just squibs out? I know he's supposed to be weak apart from his power plays, but come on...
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Clive Barker's Undying. Did any of you guys play this?
The first three quarters of the game was incredible, the scariest game I've ever played and one of the best games full stop. The ending, though... The Eternal Autumn levels were just confusing, the final sibling (Bethany) was a bizarre boss, and then all of a sudden you got dropped onto an island to fight the Undying King. Picture a huge dragon with a gaping vagina that you had to fire flaming skulls into, and you'll see why I was terribly disappointed.
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So I just finished Neverwinter Nights. I have this to say, wtf. I go through all this shit for an ending that lasts less than a minute or so?
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I got the Anarch Lacroix blowing himself up when he opens the sarcophagus and Jack in a deckchair ending.
Ah, that one's good, but the Loner ending just has a little extra panache to it. Any ending that makes me say "Kick ass!" and then afterwards make me smile uncontrollably and giggle like a little schoolgirl is a good ending in my book.
When I play through it again I must try to get that ending.
One thing that annoyed me was after the battle with the sherriff, I was kinda expecting some kind of all-out battle of some description with Lacroix. I mean, you fight your way into the tower, kill the sherriff and then Lacroix just squibs out? I know he's supposed to be weak apart from his power plays, but come on...
Hmm, well if that bugged you a lot I'm not sure it'll change much really. I just simply thought of Lacroix as the evil Mastermind character that he is. Absolute pansy by himself with a hell of a bodyguard.
Besides, it was very satisfying seeing you character stab him with a pair of scissors. :)
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The final levels of the otherwise kickass brilliance that was God of War were horrifyingly bad. The entier Hades sequence in which you must guide Kratos over those damn bridges of rotating bladed bone and then up those spinning blade covered pillars was excrutiatingly annoying and horribly put together, even if it was a cool idea. I literally spent hours trying to beat that damn sequence. To top it off, the final boss was terrible as well. It was again a cool idea and it could have been a lot of fun. It just....wasn't. That made me sad. Here's hoping the sequal (out this week!!) will have a better ending.
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Speaking of games with horrible endings, how about games with awesome stories that had endings that worked? Anyone play Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem? That game was awesome, but I probably like it more because it's directly inspired by the works of H.P. Lovecraft.
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The final levels of the otherwise kickass brilliance that was God of War were horrifyingly bad. The entier Hades sequence in which you must guide Kratos over those damn bridges of rotating bladed bone and then up those spinning blade covered pillars was excrutiatingly annoying and horribly put together, even if it was a cool idea. I literally spent hours trying to beat that damn sequence. To top it off, the final boss was terrible as well. It was again a cool idea and it could have been a lot of fun. It just....wasn't. That made me sad. Here's hoping the sequal (out this week!!) will have a better ending.
The developers actually admitted that they wish they had an extra few weeks to fix that. They had playtested everything to a T write up until the Hades level, so everything that followed (difficulty-wise, at least) was much harder than they wanted it to be. Hopefully that won't be an issue in the sequel, which I'm gonna go pick up wednesday.
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The ending of the Main Quest in Oblivion was really weak. You don't even fight the final battle--it's just a cut-scene of Martin turning into a dragon and defeating Mahrunes Dagon--and escorting Martin to the temple is ridiculously easy (you just run into the temple, and he'll automatically come thru the door with you), and your reward for helping to defeat the invasion is a suit of armor that's nowhere near as good as what you probably already have. Plus the ending doesn't make a lick of sense in the context of what you've been trying to do all through the game.
I play mostly stragegy games and wargames, and many of those don't have much more than a "Congratulations, you have won" message or a victory point total at the end.
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Dead Rising.
Yay, everyone dies...
Its crap.
and here they are saying it has nothing to do with, and no relation with Dawn of the Dead the movie... my rear end it doesn't.
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Dead Rising.
Yay, everyone dies...
Its crap.
and here they are saying it has nothing to do with, and no relation with Dawn of the Dead the movie... my rear end it doesn't.
As far as trademarks and copyright go, it doesn't. That doesn't stop it from being heavily influenced and inspired by Dawn of the Dead, though. It's like Fallout and Wasteland.
Their assurances that it had nothing to do with Romero and his movie series was part of the advertising campaign, I think. I remember the site of the game making it very clear that the game had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with them. A case of methinks the lady doth protest too much if I ever saw one...
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Also, what (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dead_Rising_Endings)?
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Star Ocean 3
Star Ocean 3
Star Ocean 3
Star Ocean 3
Star Ocean 3
Final Fantasy VII
Any NES game before they started caring about making good endings.
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Wow, no-one mentioned Beyond Good and Evil?
That game's ending was such a let-down.
"Oh, hey, Jade, turns out you're really the physical embodiment of some super-creepy alien dude's magic powers, and we've been hiding you on this planet. But now they've found you, so you had to fight your way through several satisfying (If not a bit repetitive) levels, taking pictures and uncovering a massive government conspiracy, until you fought your way onto the alien ship, and now have to fight said creepy alein, who uses total cheap tactics(Ha Ha! I'm making your controls inverted!) and then, when you finally beat him, you sort of....float around in space with your eyes glowing, while Peyj escapes."
What?
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Dead Rising had the worst ending ever, oh man so you beat this guy up, then the camera zooms out as your character just screams on top of a tank. i was like wtf?
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1942.
I mean, I go through 32 freakin' levels, workin' my ass off, and then when I finally make through the last level, all I get is a black screen, on which is spelled out the word c-o-n-g-r-a-t-u-l-a-t-i-o-n. That was it. No graphics, no nothing. Just a blank black screen and one word. What a rip.
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Kotor2: So much potential wasted.
I agree, the ending was such a disappointment.
I have to re-agree with the others - the last 1/3 of KOTOR 2 was such a waste, especially compared to the original. I mean, itj ust seemed like they cobbled it all together at the last minute so they could ship it out in time. What about that super-dark Jedi on his ship who was supposed to be all tough and evil? WAY too easy to beat. And the end - I mean, having to fight lightsabers? What kind of weak-ass stuff was that? And just the way the whole thing wrapped up was such a disappointment.
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Wow, no-one mentioned Beyond Good and Evil?
That game's ending was such a let-down.
"Oh, hey, Jade, turns out you're really the physical embodiment of some super-creepy alien dude's magic powers, and we've been hiding you on this planet. But now they've found you, so you had to fight your way through several satisfying (If not a bit repetitive) levels, taking pictures and uncovering a massive government conspiracy, until you fought your way onto the alien ship, and now have to fight said creepy alein, who uses total cheap tactics(Ha Ha! I'm making your controls inverted!) and then, when you finally beat him, you sort of....float around in space with your eyes glowing, while Peyj escapes."
What?
Oh yeah, a pity though.
The game was awesome but the ending was such a let down. I expected something spectacular, the mother of all cut-scenes...
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DeusEx!
Ha, yeah right. Put that on the list of amazing games.
Anyone play that blatant RE4 ripoff, Cold Fear? My girlfriend got that for me on accident instead of FEAR for Christmas (go figure), and I finally sat down on Wednesday and Thursday of last week and beat it in like eight hours. :/ You seriously just shoot an invincible boss in the back until he turns around like "why halo thar." then rushes at you, eventually this happens enough where you can do this "action shot" where you tap the "Use" key like four times then it says "SHOOT" and you use your pistol to blast him in the grill about four times. Done! Also, in the middle of the game you get infected by the enemies in a cut scene (second time it happens by the way) and your character, Tom, explains to the girl that he is infected and he needs to die in the explosion they are going to create to destroy the oil rig they are on. Then, you uh... totally forget this fact and just escape with her in a helicopter she conveniently knows how to fly.
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Star Ocean 3
You think thats bad, try Star Ocean: Second Story... I had to level beyond 99 in order to beat the final boss because for some god awful reason (reason I never understood to this day) his sister decided to leave him and blamed me for it; So he gets pissed off, gains inhuman powers and kills me instantly...
I was forced to do side quests... and for what? 30 seconds of ending?
That save is never leaving my PS1 memory card... My characters were level 150 and it was a CLOSE fight...
And as bad as I would like to admit it... KOTOR II was a major letdown at the end
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There's actually a fan project to mod the PC version of KOTOR II to the good ending. Apparently there was a file within the game that detailed all the interesting twists and changes that the developers wanted to happen... and then they had to release it for the Christmas rush. :x
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Fable. The ending is slightly longer than the game, and just as forgettable.
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Worst ending I've ever seen is for an ancient PS1 game called Chronicles of the Sword. Don't assume that just because a company has in the past made kickass games, they are always going to do so, and NEVER get a game because the box art looks awesome. Easily the worst game from Psygnosis, even if (for 1996 standards) it made good screenshots.
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The "good" ending for KOTOR - "thanks for saving the galaxy, stick around in case ever need you again"
Fable, as mentioned before. both endings.
Beyond Good and Evil just had a crap storyline the whole way through.
Freelancer.
Chaos Legions.
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yeah fable was a horrible ending.... not a real fan of how halo 2 ended. but it wasnt horrible
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AHHH Crap someone beat me to Beyond Good and Evil. But seriously not only was the last area bad ( I thought that the game was amazing) but throw in the fact that its a cliffhanger ending for a game that will probably never have a sequel just pisses me off. Damn bad marketing.
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I'll reiterate what someone touched upon. It's well established in a lot of gaming circles that KotoR II was never legitimately "finished." Obsidian was nowhere near where they wanted to be, but Lucasarts ended up forcing their hand and released what was, essentially, an unfinished product. They ended up having the hack the crap out of the last portion. Originally there was a scene where Darth Sion actually tortured and killed Atton, the white haired Jedi who went nuts on you was supposed to be Darth Treia, an entire planet was cut out (Remember the droids that were hunting you? It all came to a head there) and loads of other stuff I'm not even aware of. There ARE people trying to patch it to put in as much of the deleted content as possible, though.
I LIKED the ending to Twilight Princess. Zelda games have always had cliche happy endings where nothing much happens of consequence. I also kinda liked Final Fantasy XII's ending, it was intentionally left open to leave room for the sequel, Revenant Wings.
On the other hand, endings I hated:
While it was rushed and understandable, I do loathe the KotoR II ending.
Outside of Blood Omen, the entire Legacy of Kain series has had utter crap endings, especially the two Soul Reaver games. The first one: you show up, attack Kain and he runs away and you run into the oracle, the end. The second game, the Soul Reaver tried to devour Raziel's soul and Kain pulls it out leaving Raziel sitting there confused, the end. Both were the victims of rushed production, but they were lazy and abrupt endings. Then, after a thrilling and heart-pounding climax, Defiance ends on a blah note. It makes me pine for the days of the original Blood Omen where you beat the final boss and damn and enslave the world.
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FF7. I mean, most of the main characters are dead by the end, except Nanaki, and perhaps Vincent. (I kinda suspect that coffin thing of his keeps him in suspended animation, and he's not your regular human to begin with.) Rest of the folk are ordinary human beings, and are surely dead after 400 years...
:)
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Starfox Adventures. Classic shite bait and switch ending (Oh, hey Andross!). I really wanted to fight that damn T-Rex.
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just beat crack down myself.. that is a horrible ending, but the story was almost non existant anyway so not much to complain about...
guitar hero 2's ending is sad also..i mean theres not a story there at all but i wish i GOT something for it... i dunno
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The Call of Duty series. So predictable.
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Megaman X5 through X7. They should've just stopped at X4.
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well kingdom hearts ended poorly, altho i never played the game... i just started playin kingdom hearts II and i gotta say, by what i've read and what i can tell from the 2nd one, the first one just kinda ended...
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I guess I would have to say MGS2: Sons of Liberty.
I was really disappointed in the basic "This is the lesson for life" portion that lasted like 30 minutes or so. That's just not how I wanted my action game to end.
Meh - I can't bitch too much I guess, but I think I could have written a better ending there.
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I guess I would have to say MGS2: Sons of Liberty.
I was really disappointed in the basic "This is the lesson for life" portion that lasted like 30 minutes or so.
ditto, After a freaking hour of being bitched at by Campbell and Rose (who was being a total bitch the entire game as well) i just felt like i could have used that time better, like figuring out how on earth Raiden got involved in the whole mission if the entire thing was fake-ass.
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I was a little more irritated that none of it was really resolved in MGS3. That said, I liked the endings of both games. Each gave you a sensation that what you were fighting was somehow much, much bigger than you. I am really excited to see the common threads in each tied together in MGS4.
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Pong
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I'll chime in with the KOTOR 2 crowd. I just love the "OMG HUGE PLOT-TWIST" at the end. I mean, really, who knew she was evil? I was actually surprised, though, to see her as the final boss. I gave the developers too much credit, I guess, since about 30 minutes into the game, I had that "Huh, she's pretty evil. I bet she's the evil mastermind. Nah, surely they could write a better twist than that." moment.
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I'll chime in with the KOTOR 2 crowd. I just love the "OMG HUGE PLOT-TWIST" at the end. I mean, really, who knew she was evil? I was actually surprised, though, to see her as the final boss. I gave the developers too much credit, I guess, since about 30 minutes into the game, I had that "Huh, she's pretty evil. I bet she's the evil mastermind. Nah, surely they could write a better twist than that." moment.
I never had that moment 30 minutes into the game, so the ending was pretty boring.
Especially the ending of the ending. You go to revan at the outer rim, but what she/he and you are gonna do there is a question never answered...
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The Call of Duty series. So predictable.
LOL! They couldn't exactly put a surprise ending where the Germans win, now could they? That'd be like remaking Titanic where the ship doesn't sink.
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The Call of Duty series. So predictable.
LOL! They couldn't exactly put a surprise ending where the Germans win, now could they? That'd be like remaking Titanic where the ship doesn't sink.
Why not? It would be insane! I don't really play many PC games or shooters, but that would be whacked out enough to catch my attention. Particularly when compared to the mass of other WWII shooters. How do those things keep coming, anyway?
As far as disappointing endings, I'm going to have to go with FFX. The series is certainly built on melodrama, no doubt, but X just didn't do it for me. I didn't find any of the characters to be engaging, other than Auron (the dead guys are almost always cool), and it all just kinda boiled down to nonsense. The worst part, though, was the sequel. No. Just no.
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The sequel's a fun game and a good respite from the po-faced seriousness that pervades the rest of the series.
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I'll chime in with the KOTOR 2 crowd. I just love the "OMG HUGE PLOT-TWIST" at the end. I mean, really, who knew she was evil? I was actually surprised, though, to see her as the final boss. I gave the developers too much credit, I guess, since about 30 minutes into the game, I had that "Huh, she's pretty evil. I bet she's the evil mastermind. Nah, surely they could write a better twist than that." moment.
I never had that moment 30 minutes into the game, so the ending was pretty boring.
Especially the ending of the ending. You go to revan at the outer rim, but what she/he and you are gonna do there is a question never answered...
I can't really remember much of what happened in KOTOR 2, I didn't really like that game all that much, I remember you had to fight the old woman (was pretty predictable) and she had those floating light sabres, was a pretty hard fight, then I think it flashed to the other party members on the surface, something I think was affected by whether I let the wookie live or not, on the whole it doesn't stand out as being terrible or that good either, I haven't really been all that motivated to try and play it again. The whole game just reminded me of NWN in space (I guess I was a bit peeved at the way they took the NWN engine and slapped a bunch of star wars crap on it and expected it too sell, there was something screwed up with the alignments too I kept trying to roleplay as an evil character and it kept resetting me to neutral whenever I walked into a new area). So I think I got cheated a bit out of seeing the 'evil' ending.
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I'm surprised no one's mentioned Jedi Knight II. After the actually quite difficult battle with Galak you then end up in a first person to hit the other wins duel with desarn. So dissapointing.
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I'm surprised no one's mentioned Jedi Knight II. After the actually quite difficult battle with Galak you then end up in a first person to hit the other wins duel with desarn. So dissapointing.
Have you tried the game at the harder difficulties? I Played the game through on hard (Jedi Knight I think it was... or maybe the hardest, Jedi Master) a while ago and Desann was a real pain in the ass, it wasn't a onehitkill (except when he managed to get one on me...)
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Did you ever play Ultima: Nemesis?
Worst ending in existence. You spend countless hours leveling gathering your shit and making your way through the Nemesis's tower, to put these retarded ass cards in the right spots on the podium thingy, and then... the credits roll.
Wait . . . that was the ending for Ultima: Exodus! Is Nemesis a funny name for Exodus?? Also, you practically had to wade through dragons to get to that point. And any game can finish with a big boss battle - how many medieval-esque R.P.G.s end with you having to insert three discs into a bizarre, anacronistic, evil computer? Come on! (Basically I will not hear a bad word said about Ultimas 3, 4, or 5.)
Sooo much respect for you here, Inlander. But what about Ultima 7 and Serpent Isle? The series didn't get crappy until after that.
I was pretty disappointed with the ending of Deus Ex. Having three possible endings does not make the conclusion of the game three times as good, it makes it three times as "Ehh".
Ack, how can you defend Exodus and blast Deus Ex? Both games were built on the philosophy that it's more about the journey than the destination (though I agree the endings could have been better). I'm curious though, what did you think of Invisible War?
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The ending to Halo 2 pretty much pissed me off.
Me too.
MC: "Sir, Finishing this Fight!"
Me: YES!
Credits Roll
Me: Aw... Fuck NO!
Talk about a cliffhanger... That was worse then Gowron telling Worf to come with him on his Glorious war of which songs will be sung.
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Star Ocean 3
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Final Fantasy VII
Any NES game before they started caring about making good endings.
SO3 I can understand. In fact, it's major plot twist is notorious for its stupidity.
FFVII...well, if you're not a big fan of ambiguity, then, I guess I see your point, but I loved the fact that it left a lot of things uncertain. I didn't feel like much explanation was needed.
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The ending to Shadow Of The Colossus kind of annoyed me.
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I know this thread is a bit old but....
Revil (resident evil) 4:
Girl: Sooo...you wanna, like, make out or something?
Leon: No! I am angsty over unobtainable chick! She seems into me!
*rides off on jet ski into the sunset*
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I know this thread is a bit old but....
Revil (resident evil) 4:
Girl: Sooo...you wanna, like, make out or something?
Leon: No! I am angsty over unobtainable chick! She seems into me!
*rides off on jet ski into the sunset*
:lol:
I can't tell you how much this made me laugh. Succint, but surprisingly accurate.
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Jak 3
Nobody seems to talk about the Jak and Daxter games, which probably ought to tell me something... The whole third game seemed like a crappy, overly short wrap-up to things. I hate when final boss battles are just about fighting a machine thing and basically not getting hit. I just to FIGHT the boss, not DODGE him and wait for him to kill himself doing something stupid.
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Pokemon endings seem rather weak to me as it's just, "yeah, you beat the elite four, now do it again and again and again".
Probably doesn't really count though.
Best ending however is for Tetris on the Gameboy.
Type B, Level 9 5 High rewards you with a shuttle launch.
You get to win the cold war for the Russains, it doesn't get much better than that.
Also, the little dancing men are awesome too.
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As previously mentioned, Call of Duty had a terrible ending. You fight yur way through the streets of Berlin, which seem strangely deserted. "Hmm, not many bad guys", you think. "I bet it'll get really hard in a minute", you think. You shoot you way into the Reichstag, expecting hoardes of die-hard nazis, or hoardes of nazi youth members who just want to go home, or hoardes of ANYTHING. Suddenly, before you've even had time to reload, you're on the roof, waving a red flag about, and credits roll. I couldn't believe it was over so fast.
Also, that level on the ship was incredibly boring.
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I see someones already beat me to Beyond Good and Evil. Awesome game with a frustrating cliffhanger.
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Indigo Prophecy.
The rest of the game had an intense, interesting, and gripping story (even if it was a little lacking as a "game") and then all of a sudden in the end they suddenly add a bizarre plot element out of nowhere, shit goes matrix style, and the story just basically gets ridiculous.
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Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.
Wait, sorry, wrong thread.
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I found all the endings of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. pretty disappointing.
Despite all the bugs, however, I found it to be a fun game. Especially on the hardest difficulty. Also, you can sprint as fast as a truck.
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what about Ultima 7 and Serpent Isle? The series didn't get crappy until after that.
Funnily enough, I've been playing through Serpent Isle again for the last little while. The first time I played it I screwed it up because I was used to the old Ultimas, where you could go anywhere and do anything at any time, so I went sailing off to Moonshade before I'd rescued Iolo, then the game wouldn't let me get back from Moonshade because you need Iolo in your party in order to finish the test in Furnace. So I had to load an old game, go rescue Iolo, and play through the whole Moonshade/Monk Isle/Mountains of Freedom section again, which was pretty annoying. Ultimas aren't supposed to be so rigidly linear, dammit! The same problem struck me when I played 7, because instead of following Batlin's trail I just wandered around, popping in on towns as they took my fancy, which kind of muddied the storyline so that it wasn't very clear what I was supposed to be doing. I haven't played 8 or 9, though I wouldn't mind giving them a go if I can get them somehow. 5 is my all-time favourite, though.
what did you think of Invisible War?
Haven't played it. Not strongly motivated to, either! Deus Ex isn't my favourite game: the character you play is so dull and dour that it gets a bit tedious.
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Links Awakening.
8 dungeons down, check.
Giant egg, check.
Fight final boss, check.
wake up in the middle of the ocean not knowing if it was a dream or not, ARGHHH!
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Rainbow 6: Vegas. It was one of those endings where you go, "What. That's it?!"
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Halo 2's ending was horrible... the race at the end of halo 1 was an awesome little twist, but a boss in that particular shooter series ruined it...
Morrowind was also bad, i just expected more in the way of a challenge defeating a GOD. it was actually really easy. then they did it twice more for the game of the year edition.
Punisher had a fairly poor ending too, it left the kingpin alive!
Hunter the reckoning 2 was horrible as well, though that was just a pretty bad game all the way through... it was like a cheesy resident evil but without a storyline or horror content.
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The Legacy of Kain games have some pretty annoying endings, at least the ones I've played.
Soul Reaver just ended with an abrupt To Be Continued, which was especially bad since it had just shown you visions of a future that you were all hyped up to play through.
Soul Reaver 2 was better, at least this To Be Continued felt like they'd planned for it.
Defiance just left me wanting a sequel, which is really frustrating, since they don't seem to be planning one.
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I will have to jump on the KOTOR2 bandwagon.
To be fair: A helluva lot of content was cut from the final game because Lucasarts insisted Obsidian release the game *WAY* before they felt they had finished it and a longtime before it was even ready for release. (Hence the higher than usual amount of bugs)
Also, most of this cut content was the tying up of all the little plots, sub-plots and character quests which you had been anticipating throughout the game, basically leaving you completely unfulfilled.
The good ending is worse though..."45 hours of my life...45 hours...for a flash of light out of the arse of my ship and some credits..."
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Kotor 2 could use a better ending, but I suppose at least that was intended to accomodate for a third part. Speaking of which, has anyone played Oni? Now there's a cliffhanger ending that did not deliver.
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It's not that KOTOR 2 was supposed to accommodate for a 3rd game (Though very likely the ending would have anyways), it's that the game wasn't finished because Lucas Arts decided it had to be out for the Christmas season.
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Farcry 2.
I mean, I spent all that time going around using kickass powers on people with slightly less kickass powers, all to have my character walk away and gaze into the sunset for about 3 seconds. I was relatively sure I had accidentally clicked Start.
(PS: This is a good time for you guys not to mention I actually did click start.)
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...Farcry 2 doesn't come out until next year, buddy. You can't play a game that doesn't exist yet.
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I assume he meant the Far Cry on the Xbox (Instincts?)
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probably, but hey, the game was good enough to make up for the ending, which wasn't that bad anyways
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Indigo Prophecy.
The rest of the game had an intense, interesting, and gripping story (even if it was a little lacking as a "game") and then all of a sudden in the end they suddenly add a bizarre plot element out of nowhere, shit goes matrix style, and the story just basically gets ridiculous.
Which ending? There's like, five. I got a fairly decent one. Of course the game "ends" when you mess up earlier on, and gives you a narration thing basically saying "Well, you fucked up man." Then it goes "Want to try again?" And you load from the last checkpoint/save point/start of the sequence.
Morrowind was also bad, i just expected more in the way of a challenge defeating a GOD. it was actually really easy. then they did it twice more for the game of the year edition.
I liked Morrowind's ending. You kill Dagoth Ur, get to keep Keening, Sunder, and Wraithguard. You are Hortator of all three Great Houses, and everyone hails you as a god and loves you.
I haven't beat the Tribunal main quest yet. I'm still working on it, but I know you have to kill Alemexia(sp?) or some god at the end. But come on! What's cooler than killing a bunch of gods? Even if they don't do anything particularly cool.
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Because killing a God isn't cool when they're a pansy ass. It's just sad.
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Dagoth Ur was kind of hard for me, but that's probably because I used cheat codes (Xbox not PC) through most of the game, and my guy was even more a pansy than Dagoth Ur.
I understand where you're coming from though.
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Dagoth Ur was piss-easy for me to defeat. I think my character was level 12, but I also had the travel-stained pants (allowing me to fly) and the boots of blinding speed (allowing me to move really fucking quickly) and some other thing that meant I could actually see what was happening when I was wearing said boots - cast a couple of spells to smack his arse the first time around, then went into the next chamber, flew at top speed over the top of his head and started attacking the heart thingy before he could even land a blow. Far too easy.
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Final Fantasy XII
I put over 80 hours of work into that game and it had the most unsatisfactory ending of any Final Fantasy ever. The first part of the ending was fine, sacrificing yourself and all that. It was the second half, where Penelo is reading her letter or whatever...please, let something else interesting happen! That ring? Not interesting, as I forgot it even existed. The Strahl disappearing? Not interesting, because it was totally expected. I just kept on expecting some little twist in there, or I don't even know what. SOMETHING to happen.
But it was short, boring and unsatisfying. Grrr.
Just finished it for the first time tonight. This quote sums up my exact thoughts.
And the final boss battle? Not as easy as FFX, but still easy - the Zodiark esper battle was *much* harder. (I haven't bothered to fight a few of the side bosses, Mark 13, one or two of the worms, etc.)
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Space Channel 5,
It suddenly became a mystery game. It was all like "NOW LETS SEE WHOES BEEN HYPNOTISING ALIENS NOW!..... It was the chairman! I knew it all along!" I was like, err..., Me too? I mean the clues were all there!
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It's not that KOTOR 2 was supposed to accommodate for a 3rd game (Though very likely the ending would have anyways), it's that the game wasn't finished because Lucas Arts decided it had to be out for the Christmas season.
The cut content's being restored (http://team-gizka.org/). Slowly, but surely. The modders have put in a pretty colossal amount of work. Out of 852 issues, they've fixed all but 26. Should be out sometime next year.
I number myself among the group of people that didn't find Bioshock's ending satisfying. Not in the resolutions, necessarily, they were as good as could be expected, but the end boss was such a terrible pushover.
Neverwinter Nights 2's ending wasn't very good either. Both in the boss fight (a giant construct, basically) and the epilogues. Especially the narrator, who's the same VA who played the newscaster in Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines. Terrible.
VTM:B was another game with a lukewarm ending. Like a lot of rushed RPGs, it starts out agreeable and fun and starts turning into a thin hackfest the closer you get to the end.
I also don't like the time limit imposed on Civ 4, but that rarely hinders gameplay anyway.
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And the final boss battle? Not as easy as FFX, but still easy - the Zodiark esper battle was *much* harder. (I haven't bothered to fight a few of the side bosses, Mark 13, one or two of the worms, etc.)
The final boss is maybe the 10th hardest battle in the game. If that. The Dark God is harder. Yiazmat is waaaaaaaaaaaay harder. Mark XIII is on a different plane of existence (it's only beatable if you use a lure/reverse combo that is annoying to pull off but still not as hard as Yiazmat which takes something like 5 hours to beat unless you maxed your party out). FFXII follows the FF tradition of making a 20 hour storyline with additional 80 hours of optional gameplay that consist of almost pure grinding. I actually found Yiazmat to be more annoying than Ruby and Emerald Weapon from FFVII which is actually saying something (who's brilliant idea was it to give Knights of the Round a five minute animation? I don't think I've ever wanted to cockpunch a developer quite as much).
And yeah, the ending was just weak.
But Neverwinter Nights II had an even worse ending. For one thing, it was basically the same ending as FFXII but in text (everyone dies . . . OR DO THEY??) But that boss at the end has got to set a new record for ridiculously underpowered.
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They're coming out with the expansion in either October or December (I've heard both) but yes, the party is dead. They haven't come out and said it, but they definitely won't be playable, and will most likely have no bearing on the continuing story. Part of the reason I loved Baldur's Gate so much was that at least some of the CNPCs made it through the entire epic saga.
I felt ripped off by Planescape:Torment in pretty much the same fashion, but that was a much more ambitious and accomplished game. Besides, if you played it right there were certain party members who didn't die at the end.
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I have mixed feelings about Balder's Gate 2 (plain vanilla version, never played with the add-ons or expansions or whatever so can't comment). On the one hand, I thought the part where you get to sleep with one of your party members who is then kidnapped was kind of cool and novel (I thought it was kind of funny that you could the opportunity to screw around in NWII with no adverse consequences), on the other, the final boss fight was the least imaginative imaginable. Your adversary turns into multiple demons and you fight him in hell. Woopty-fucking-do. The whole demon in hell thing is so done -- Wizards of the Coast take note! Give us a super-intelligent Tarrasque with an inferiority complex and psionic abilities, or a fallen angelic being with epic level monk attacks or something, but not more devils in hell. It is nearly inconceivable that a game that ends fighting demons in hell could have an interesting or ingenious ending.
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The expansion, Throne of Bhaal (which I mentioned in the "good endings" thread), being an epic-level expansion, is all about combat. I'd have to say that in general, BG2 is much more enjoyable with ToB tacked on at the end, with a few community tweaks and some restored content. It's probably my favorite game ever in that condition, actually.
As for romances in D&D games, eh. The NWN2 developers (at least the ones that I talked to) generally hate writing and implementing them, and that, along with generous portions of axed content due to staff shake-ups, made party interactions and romance in NWN2 pretty stupid. It's hard to tell who exactly wants romances in the games, since the "hardcore" gamers usually roll their eyes at them and the devs don't like them all that much. But there was a stupid amount of work done in the BG2 community towards custom romantic NPCs, so I guess it's got some support. Romance in BG2 was really more of the PC treating their love interest's Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
The murder of the female companion at the beginning of NWN2 was actually a joke at Bioware's expense regarding the beginning of BG2.
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If you know where I could get or modify BG2 in the condition you describe, I wouldn't mind playing it through again.
As for in-game NPC romances, I've always been a fan when they're handled convincingly as part of the developing plot, and given the player's option of replacing all party members with player generated characters, the so-called hardcore members have a work-around to the whole "talk to the wingless sky elf about her feelings" bit. If you're an Oots reader you've got to be wondering what it is about these winged ladies that captures the imagination of developers the world over.
I definitely agreed that if you're going to include romance in your RPG you better make sure that the plot is well-written and well realized. The half assed attitude in NWN2 was just humorous.
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If you know where I could get or modify BG2 in the condition you describe, I wouldn't mind playing it through again.
As for in-game NPC romances, I've always been a fan when they're handled convincingly as part of the developing plot, and given the player's option of replacing all party members with player generated characters, the so-called hardcore members have a work-around to the whole "talk to the wingless sky elf about her feelings" bit. If you're an Oots reader you've got to be wondering what it is about these winged ladies that captures the imagination of developers the world over.
I definitely agreed that if you're going to include romance in your RPG you better make sure that the plot is well-written and well realized. The half assed attitude in NWN2 was just humorous.
Torrent ToB, then
Ascension (http://weidu.org/asc.html)
Unfinished Business (http://www.pocketplane.net/mambo/index.php?option=content&task=blogcategory&id=101&Itemid=80)
Banter Pack (http://www.pocketplane.net/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=95&Itemid=78)
Dungeon-B-Gone (http://www.pocketplane.net/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=98&Itemid=79) (allows direct bypass of Irenicus' dungeon)
installed in that order. There are some CNPC mods out there too, but the vast majority of them are remarkably amateur. Fade (http://www.gilalion.com/FadeSoAV3.rar) and Kelsey (http://www.pocketplane.net/mambo/index.php?option=content&task=blogcategory&id=81&Itemid=66) are the best, but that ain't saying much. There are more mods out there, but those few allow for the best (balanced) gameplay possible.
Anyway, getting back on topic. Half-Life 2. That shit was wack. Ep 1 was pretty good, though.
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Why would you want to bypass Irenicus's dungeon? I mean, it's been years since I played BG2, but is there any particular reason to skip it?
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Why would you want to bypass Irenicus's dungeon? I mean, it's been years since I played BG2, but is there any particular reason to skip it?
When you've played through BG2 as much as I have, you can go through the dungeon in your sleep (and I have more than once, thanks to Ambien). Besides, it helps with roleplayer's remorse.
If you haven't played BG2 that much, though, and you've got an hour and a half to spare, don't use the mod. You get slightly more stuff going through the dungeon anyway (the mod inserts a character that can teleport you to the exit and gives you all the gold, items and experience you'd get for fighting through it, but leaves out magic scrolls)
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Anyway, getting back on topic. Half-Life 2. That shit was wack. Ep 1 was pretty good, though.
The HL2 ending left me with profoundly mixed feelings. The man in the grey suit coming back and saving you was just sinister enough to make me feel somewhat gratified for having beaten it. Plus I was pretty sure that they wouldn't let the girl die if there were sequels (correctly as it turned out). On the other hand, chalk up another incredibly crappy end boss. You have to fight two of those plane things, plus knock out pieces of a machine? Whose crappy idea was that? And worse yet, it caught on. Next thing you know you're beating Prey, you've just annihilated your mutant/machine hybrid/psychotic abductee girlfriend and your final fight involves shooting facets on a giant ball that turns around.
I definitely get the sense that game designers put endings at or near the bottom of their list of priorities, maybe figuring that only a small percentage of gamers play to the end anyway. Still, is it really that difficult? Give me a final boss who fills Pilsner's Final Boss Criteria and I'm happy: (1) huge; (2) incredibly twisted; (3) shoots a truly mindblowing array of crap; (4) has at least three modes, at least one of which involving interacting with the environment; (5) dies in a grotesque cinematic, preferably while futilely reaching out of the magma/dimensional rift/black hole/liquid metal/etc. to drag you in with him; and (6) requires between 5 and 20 tries to work out a strategy to beat. If you are going to diverge from the Criteria, you had better bring your "A" Game. The final bosses in HL2, Doom 2 and Prey all diverged from the criteria to their detriment.
Incidentally, did anyone notice that the finale of Frisky Dingo Season 1 was a direct take-off of the end of HLII? That's one of the first times I've seen a TV show imitate a video game so closely (aside from you know Reboot). In asking that question, incidentally, I feel that I have transcended to a new plane of geekdom.
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Dead Rising.
Yay, everyone dies...
Its crap.
and here they are saying it has nothing to do with, and no relation with Dawn of the Dead the movie... my rear end it doesn't.
Um, there are several endings you can get. There are like, six or seven possibilities, and which one you get all depends on how you played the game.
You obviously just got one of the shitty ones.
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The Descent series. I loved the games themselves to bits, and still do, but the endings are just pathetic.
Descent
"Oh, you killed all the bad robots. Thanks! By the way, we never intended to let you just come back home, go to some space station and wait for the sequel."
Descent ][ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTZuxGAUbro)
This one actually wasn't as bad, or maybe it was just me. Cool explosion sequence, then — DUN DUN DUNNNN — the warp core malfunctions and you disappear! Are you, the gallant Material Defender, dead? Lost in deep space? Tune in next week season three years to find out!
Descent³ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=BhWVMR6Ll1E)
By far the worst, and mainly because they tried to drag it out. The Guidebot gets smoked — but OH NO IT'S OK, it didn't really die, it gets back up again so the kids in the audience don't bust into tears. Everybody goes out of their way to refer to you as Material Defender in their lines, almost mocking the fact that you're the one chump the writers didn't give a name to. MD breaks the fourth wall (wtf!) just to grin retardedly at the camera, like "a-hurr durr, I turned off dem viruses lol". Some dick on the CED ship (who we never saw before the end cutscene) is summing up all the stuff that's better, like he's in a Saturday morning cartoon from the 70s. "Congratulations to the Material Defender!" Little stuff, like the cheesy music, bad lines, green-lined wipe transitions...I'll forgive the horrible CGI since it was 1999, but yikes. In their defense, though, MD1032 is a total badass and does bother to let it show once or twice.
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In contrast, D3's opening (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Ma7wL1vT4) is one of my faves from any game. Far better music, almost haunting in the beginning and heart-swellingly triumphant at the end. Watching it again, it actually almost brought a tear to my eye to see the charred remains of the Pyro the player had flown and loved for years consigned to the fires of a star — a fittingly dramatic beginning to a new chapter. So...like, what, did they fire all the talented people once they finished that video?
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Dead Rising.
Yay, everyone dies...
Its crap.
and here they are saying it has nothing to do with, and no relation with Dawn of the Dead the movie... my rear end it doesn't.
Um, there are several endings you can get. There are like, six or seven possibilities, and which one you get all depends on how you played the game.
You obviously just got one of the shitty ones.
Unfortunately, those might be the endings of Dead Rising. Apparently, since the game didn't exactly take the isle of Nipon by storm, it's currently not getting a sequel, which means if they make one it won't be out for several years.
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Well, it seemed like a pretty Western-oriented game, so that doesn't really surprise me. It certainly sold well over here, so I don't see why they shouldn't make a sequel.
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I don't know, Capcom's priorities I guess. It sold a million plus outside of Japan. Home is where the heart is, and all that.
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The Darkness
you killed your uncle and are ready for your life to begin a new, instead tentacles swallow your screen and the credits start to role. no explantion of what happened, nothing telling you that in the comics he did become the new leader of the mafia, absolutely nothing.
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I didn't look, but supposedly all that stuff was in the extras you could unlock.
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I don't know, Capcom's priorities I guess. It sold a million plus outside of Japan. Home is where the heart is, and all that.
They do at least have it on the table.
http://www.deadrising2.net/news/187647394.php
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I don't know, Capcom's priorities I guess. It sold a million plus outside of Japan. Home is where the heart is, and all that.
They do at least have it on the table.
http://www.deadrising2.net/news/187647394.php
I'm wondering exactly what would take DR2 out of the "consideration" stage and into production. The sales aren't going to get any better. Either they'll arbitrarily start it up at some random time or it's not being made. Who knows, maybe Inafune will make it his pet project, but at this point I'm taking that about as seriously as I take Quentin Tarantino talking about making a Half-Life adaptation or a WWII film with Willis, Stallone and Schwarzenegger as leads, especially if making DR2 would require neglect of Inafune's other duties, as he implies.
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Well, Dead Rising only came out a year ago, calling a sequel dead just because it hasn't been announced yet is pretty premature. After all, Microsoft hasn't even officially announced a Gears of War sequel yet, but it's absurdly obvious one is in the works.
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There's a difference between a sequel being unannounced and it being specifically denied that the game's in development, no? I don't see why Capcom would lie when they could just give a "no comment".
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I'm just saying that just because they're not working on one right now doesn't mean one won't happen. If I had to guess, I'd bet that if they aren't working on one now, they could easily start one after Devil May Cry 4 wraps up and some more development resources free up.
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...the finale of Frisky Dingo Season 1...
Well, they made up for it with the finale (and the last few episodes) in season 2, thats for sure!
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Worst Game Ending 3: I'm with the KotOR II guys, if you can even class it as an ending.
Worst Game Ending 2: Halo 2 was frustrating as not only did I have to deal with a shitty cliff-hanger, I had to pull shards of controller out of my foot... No joke.
But the one game that really cheesed me off was Psychonauts.
It was such a fun game. You could set squirrels on fire with your mind; you’re a 300' tall monster rampaging through a city full of lungfish at one point and the pure brilliance of the Milkman Conspiracy (I am a grieving widow, see my flowers). There were just to many good things in that game.
Yet, the last few levels are impossibly difficult, with a very unfulfilling ending. It ruined an almost perfect game!
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned Halo 3. If I wanted Halo's ending, I'd play Halo.
And know what else sucked, Legend of Zelda: Ocarnia of Time. You save Hyrule, only to miss the fucking party. Instead you get zapped back to a teeny little kid, without getting any. I mean you saved the fucking Kingdom. Mario gets the action, but Link? Noooooo. He gets to be a little kid again.
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Personally, I feel like most games miss the target with their endings.
Dead or Alive (4? xbox 360) suprised me by having a cheesy-cool rock credit finish.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned Halo 3. If I wanted Halo's ending, I'd play Halo.
And know what else sucked, Legend of Zelda: Ocarnia of Time. You save Hyrule, only to miss the fucking party. Instead you get zapped back to a teeny little kid, without getting any. I mean you saved the fucking Kingdom. Mario gets the action, but Link? Noooooo. He gets to be a little kid again.
OoT ending pissed me off. Link has no home! He's not Kokori and now he knows this, and plus, that damned tree is still dead, and he's still held responsible. He goes through hell, realizes most of his childhood is a lie, saves the kingdom, puts up with Ruto's advances, and gets shot down.
The way OoT should have ended.
Zelda: I feel bad for all I put you through, so I'm sending you back to when you where ten.
Link: You're kidding right? I just fought a giant pig with sword for hands, and chicks dig me now. Fuck you. Lets shag.
THE END
that's it minus the shag line.
Mario Galaxies, just cause the game was awesome, but I had no clue what the ending was about.
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Flood: you bring Quiffy through a world of platform game danger, all the while chased by a ghost while the levels fill up with water and in the end he climbs up a manhole to freedom..and is squashed by a truck.
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Yet, the last few levels are impossibly difficult, with a very unfulfilling ending. It ruined an almost perfect game!
Are you kidding? You're kidding.
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The ending from Tetris Worlds should Make Alexei Pajitnov angrier than a russian geek being kept fromo his favourite addicting game.
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The ending to Shadow Of The Colossus kind of annoyed me.
Only the ending bugged you? Dude if the ending bugged you I'd assume that the entire storyline of the game bugged you. The whole point of the game is to create the storyline YOURSELF....do what you want. Read some of the theories on the web...they're freaking insane.
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I thought the ending exposition to Starcraft: Broodwars was weaker than it needed to be. Granted, its a cliff hanger. I get that. But seriously, green text saying "Kerrigan stood uneasily staring out at the edge of the galaxy" is up there with "Hey! Listen!". At least an FMV of a shadowy new type of ship or some such would have ended it so much better. Not that it matters with II coming out, but still.
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The ending of HoMM V: Tribes of the East was pretty horrible. I mean, of course it is somewhat understandable that factions, of whom some had been in serious quarrels previously, temporarily combined their forces against a greater evil. But no, in HoMM, these former rivals are laughing and joking with each others after defeating the demons. No hostilities to be seen! I mean, could it be any more of a cheesy Hollywood ending?
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The ending for Resistance: Fall of Man was a real let down. With the way the last level played out, you think you're going to do a 'get the hell out of dodge' sequence to wrap up the game. But no, it just ends with some dudes fleeing the crumbling building to get on the plane with the narrator after the reactor core is destroyed... but does Nathan Hale, the main character, make it? NO! They're not even sure is the protagonist made it out alive.
Which totally ruins the whole idea, here's a guy who had a rare resistance to the Chimera virus, doesn't turn into a baddy, can do all sorts of things, but can't make it out alive? Kind of an inconsistancy of characteristics (Note: This is with the assumption that he is indeed dead, which I think he is).
And the final boss wasn't even a bad guy, it was just that frickin' reactor thing mentioned before... didn't even have a bad ass chimera mutant thing for me to beat up on.
So, like most games, the gameplay was great, but the ending lacked the resolution the game needed.
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I thought the ending exposition to Starcraft: Broodwars was weaker than it needed to be. Granted, its a cliff hanger. I get that. But seriously, green text saying "Kerrigan stood uneasily staring out at the edge of the galaxy" is up there with "Hey! Listen!". At least an FMV of a shadowy new type of ship or some such would have ended it so much better. Not that it matters with II coming out, but still.
I thought the ending was that cutscene in a Terran bunker where that one guy is typing a letter to his family, says goodbye, and then the screen goes black right before he shoots himself?
Or is that the end to the Terran campaign, or something.
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Actually, he was in a battlecruiser, I think. But yes, the Kerrigan-part is followed by DuGalle shooting himself, after which that green text appears (BTW, I think the worst/most hilarious part of that ending was the part of the green text that said something along these lines: "Raynor and Zeratul went to search for Duran and were never heard of again" or something like that).
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No, I definitely remember him being in a bunker, since zerglings and hydralisks were attacking. Not really much those things could do against a battlecruiser.
The ending to Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando was so much worse than what it could have been. There's some intergalactic threat that gets averted because they figure out what's wrong with this one gadget the good guys invented: "the batteries are in backwards!"
It was chuckle-worthy at most, but after how sorta funny the game was I figured the ending would either be pretty hilarious, or striking that, gratifying of the fact that you just beat the game.
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I JUST beat God of War: Chains of Olympus and I have to say the ending was really......really weird. You see exactly why Kratos hates the gods and yet I sat there scratching my head and going "ok......years of pain and anguish for the promise of erasing your past or........happiness. Is it REALLY that freaking hard to choose Kratos?" The game direction itself was pretty fantastic but I'm still kind of frightened by how Kratos never gets fazed by anything....ever.
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No, I definitely remember him being in a bunker, since zerglings and hydralisks were attacking. Not really much those things could do against a battlecruiser.
Noooo...he was in a battlecruiser, headed back to Earth to report on the Terran colonies. He shoots himself and then you see swarms of Scourge and Mutalisks descending on the fleet.
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Yeah, a dozen hydralisks can totally destroy a battlecruiser.
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No, I definitely remember him being in a bunker, since zerglings and hydralisks were attacking. Not really much those things could do against a battlecruiser.
Noooo...he was in a battlecruiser, headed back to Earth to report on the Terran colonies. He shoots himself and then you see swarms of Scourge and Mutalisks descending on the fleet.
Well then. Seeing as I never actually owned Brood War, I can believe that I didn't remember it right. Either way that shit was pretty awesome.
Yeah, a dozen hydralisks can totally destroy a battlecruiser.
Not if the Terran player is doing it right.
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Freelancer
This game has always been one of my all time favorites, but even after a very nice ending, you've only explored like 5% of the galaxy and the rest is basically unfinished. After the last quest your left thinking, "Thats it?" OH COME ON!
Honestly, thats the best I can come up with. I guess I've blocked out all my memories of the bad endings.
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Super Mario Bros. 2, Need For Speed Underground, and others with (day)dream endings cause massive outbreaks of CKD(Crush, Kill, Destroy)-syndrome.
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I could have sworn that I'd had a rant about freelancer in this thread before. The gist of it is that I'm not even sure that I did finish it, but I'm pretty sure I ran out of story so I think I did. It's wierd though because there's a whole lot more world to explore and there is background to it and what looked like it could be a neat twist and a tie in with other games, but I just never got to it story-wise. I'm gonna have to borrow that game once again, just to be sure.
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Exactly!
/Right now I'm pretending Mass Effect is the other half of Freelancer. It's working out nicely, even if it is delusional.
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Ok, so I played through Freelancer again. Wow, I forgot just how rich that world was. Unfortunately it just made it all the more disappointing when you complete the last mission and they just throw you back out into the world as though nothing had even happened. The other main character says something about "There'll be a lot of re-building to do back home" in the final cutscene. There isn't. You spawn back on Planet Manhattan and nothing has changed.
Well, I suppose at least they've left us with some great prime fiction for a sequel or other games unrelated except that they happen in the same world. There's a lot more potential here left to be explored.
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Dunno if anyone mentioned this, but http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AWinnerIsYou (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AWinnerIsYou) pretty much every game on that list. Some I've played, most I just read through and got annoyed at.
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Wow, that's quite a list. Nice of him to elucidate exactly what the deal was with all of them. (Kinda makes this thread irrelevant though, which is kinda sad.)
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By some stroke of luck, I had about 3 hours to kill today at work. That site is like a Wikipedia that only has cool stuff in it. I ended up killing an extra half hour.
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Halo 2 - Seriously? I never really liked the Halo series as much as the nerd next to me claims that I should have. There's this super android with a crackly, mysterious, purposefully badass voice who's lines are so cliche and embarrassingly (insert adjective for "hooray my penis is very very large!"), it's not much of a cliffhanger when he say, trumpets and brass backing him up, "Sir... FINISHING this fight." Da-nanana-nanana-nana-naaaaa!! I lol'd.
Shenmue 2 - Hella loved that game like a brother. I felt so immersed in the story and the culture of it all. Then he sleeps in a cave with some weird chick... He's in a dank cavern... He puts the phoenix mirror into a slot like he's playing Pac-Man... And a sword floats out of a rock in front of him... Credits! And the next thing you know, my dog dies, lightning strikes my house, and my clothes are all eaten my termites. It was that bad.
Enter the Matrix - I actually enjoyed this game. Yeah, I used the cheat codes, but you kind of have to. Anyway, the ending was basically you shooting off Sentinels like it's a 3D version of Space Invaders, and your ship crashes, end. The only resolve is that in the Matrix Revolutions they find and jumpstart the ship. Hoo-fuckity-ray, they aren't dead, I CAN HAS MOAR GAEM NAO, PLS?
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Enter the Matrix - I actually enjoyed this game. Yeah, I used the cheat codes, but you kind of have to.
Personally I thought the game was fairly easy without cheats. Teh cheats just added a little extra bad ass to the mix.
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The ending for Shenmue 2 wouldn't be nearly as bad if there was even the remote chance that they were ever possibly going to consider to begin thinking about making Shenmue 3.
*sigh* It would have been awesome.
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Enter the Matrix - I actually enjoyed this game. Yeah, I used the cheat codes, but you kind of have to.
Personally I thought the game was fairly easy without cheats. Teh cheats just added a little extra bad ass to the mix.
That's what I meant. The cheats made you like Neo, in a way. Regular mode, you ran and hid a lot to regenerate your health and your focus.
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Man if they made a Shenmue 3 it would be like a billion dollars to make and take longer than Duke Nukem Forever. Fuck that.
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Man if they made a Shenmue 3 it would be like a billion dollars to make and take longer than Duke Nukem Forever. Fuck that.
Unless they passed it on to a bigger company. But then it wouldn't be the same...
I guess we can only hope that they've been making Shenmue 3 in secret for the past four years and that they'll announce it's release in a few months...
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Except Shenmue is overrated and was never that great to begin with.
Yeah, I said it.
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Except Shenmue is overrated and was never that great to begin with.
Yeah, I said it.
Shun the non-believer!
Shhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnah!
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The Ending to MGS4.
Terrible in the fact that nothing about it makes you happy. At all.
I almost cried.
It's also about an hour long.
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What the fuck, you've finished it already? That's insane.
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The Ending to MGS4.
Terrible in the fact that nothing about it makes you happy. At all.
I almost cried.
It's also about an hour long.
Dude, it's the last game in a series by fucking Hideo Kojima. None of this should surprise you.
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I came in this thread just to see if there was a post about MGS4. I loved the ending, and if you expected something happy you really don't know Kojima.
Farewell, Solid Snake, and thanks for 20 years of memories. /salute
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Overlord. You are constantly referred to as being the evil one and yet throughout the game you have to go out of your way to do any actual evil. The game ends with you killing the main bad guy. It just doesn't make sense.
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Y'know what else doesn't make sense?
The entire fucking series. I have played, to varying extent, all MGS titles, and I can't understand the plot to ANY of them. I checked Wikipedia and it throws around more names than Seagal throws around henchmen.
That being said, if someone ever donated a PS3 to me, I'd buy all the MGS games and play them through again.
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I'm replaying MGS for Playstation right now. I would say any given story arc contained within the game/s is pretty easy to follow, it's when you start to encompass the entire MGS storyline is when it starts to getting completely fucking weird and hard to follow.
Oh, guys, fission mailed.
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Not played, watched. That game beats any movie that has come out in the last year.
And maybe it's because I'm used to having the hero who has gone through the worst shit storm I've ever seen in gaming have at least a bit of a happy ending, I was hoping for something. I guess there is, in a sense. But still, I was hoping for "here's a magical way to make you not look like a grandpa anymore".....despite how far-fetched and fleeting that hope is.
though the depressing shit was probably made worse by the fact that there is some rather funny moments in this game. And I'm not talking about Kojima breaking the forth wall.....which he does.....quite a bit.
And MGS4 explains everything......and I mean,everything Nearly every loose thread, or thing that didn't make sense, or things that just seemed fucking insane. All of it, explained, in detail. Going from the Original Metal Gear up. There are revelations in this game that make me paranoid that everything has been planned out from the beginning. And a story line fleshed out through 20+ years, is fucking epic.
Any my friend works at a gamestore. They got it early, he checked it out. He beat it the day of launch.
I love my friend.
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Overlord. You are constantly referred to as being the evil one and yet throughout the game you have to go out of your way to do any actual evil. The game ends with you killing the main bad guy. It just doesn't make sense.
This doesn't compute. What doesn't make sense about killing off your competition while also using it as an excuse for revenge?
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Well, to be fair he was an overlord, not just a murderous asshole.
I mean,I'll give ya that the ending was kinda meh, but I didn't really feel like I had to go out of my way to murder peasants and steal all of their shit and then beat them all back into a praising submission. There was also the matter of burning the Life Tree in the Elven forest just because it was easier, or choosing a few thousand gold over the entire Elven Race.
Lord that game was fun.
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When I started playing Overlord, I thought, "Goblins! Must get something scarier & more evil later."
Then I started helping villagers & saving elves, etc... and I started wondering who actually thought this guy was evil.
I started again, with the objective of achieving some actual Evil-Overlord-ing. It doesn't work.
Every other evil person in the game gets to do cool stuff, and you just go around killing them all while deciding whether to be nice or selfish.
*edit* I'll give that burning the glade was well done - and I was genuinely suprised when I realised all that green, green grass was flammable. :evil: So was the unicorn.
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I came in this thread just to see if there was a post about MGS4. I loved the ending, and if you expected something happy you really don't know Kojima.
Farewell, Solid Snake, and thanks for 20 years of memories. /salute
So you came in this thread just because you were expecting a negative post about MGS4, so that you could defend it? That doesn't scream fanboy at all.
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You can't call an ending terrible if the whole game was terrible, too. Solid Snake has a mustache, therefor the entire game is terrible.
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Burt Reynolds is going to kick your ass for that.
Though now I fear that if there is a MGS movie, they will get Burt Reynolds to play old snake.
And that thought is terrifing
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I think I just ruined the game for some people. Rightly so.
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Oh I like where this is going.
Q: What happens 2 hours after you combine large doses of fibre and Mexican food?
A: A solid snake.
Also, I heard Konami was considering making expansion packs for Sons of the Patriots. Plastic Gear, Clay Gear, Rubber Gear...
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Hahah, this page and the post just before it are funny because I just saw the ending to MGS4 and came here to see what you guys thought about it.
Great ending to a great series.
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I came in this thread just to see if there was a post about MGS4. I loved the ending, and if you expected something happy you really don't know Kojima.
Farewell, Solid Snake, and thanks for 20 years of memories. /salute
So you came in this thread just because you were expecting a negative post about MGS4, so that you could defend it? That doesn't scream fanboy at all.
Yeah, that's what I did. And yes, it does. Any further questions? I did sort of fumble up there, but I didn't mean to sound like I came here just to defend it. I came here to see what the perspective from a negative standpoint was. Can we still be friends?
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A Winner is You
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Metal Gear Solid 2, not 4, had a terrible ending.
You talk about your games where nothing is resolved, Jesus. Especially once you learn what's happened to Raiden in the interum - the entire game is simply one depressing moment after another. MGS 4 had some of this as well, but it balanced it with some pretty triumphant moments as well, and the sad ones were poignant. Whodathunk that Ocelot's double finger guns and "you're pretty good" would ever evoke even a single manly tear? MGS 4 = GREAT ending.
But MGS 2 - even the final "twist" in the post-credits dialogue turns out to be a red herring. And the whole real-clips-of-people-walking-around-New-York thing feels forced and patronizing, and generally like a sad excuse for a game that doesn't have a real ending, no real cadence point to resolve with. The game itself was fun, but in retrospect, MGS 2 stands out to me as the series weak point for a lot of reasons.
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From what I can recall Shinobi for the PS2 had a really lame ending. It was a fun game and all (it always bothers me when a game uses the same damn monsters for every level and just recolors them) but wasn't very generous with its storyline.
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Twilight Princess
Again, excellent game, fun boss battles, nice story running up until... the end.
Midna: Yeah, I'm not an ugly little troll, I'm actually hawt, but I still have that annoying voice.
Zelda: Midna, I know your intentions and your-
Midna: Yes, I know, I just hope you get the love I have for short, buff, and green here. Link, see you again. *Midna shatters the mirror and goes home*
Zelda: Link, seriously, you're like the shortest dude I've ever seen. How the hell did you get all that work done?
Link: ... *Rides home crying, Ilia is waiting for him, and... *
The End
Link is the unluckiest guy with princesses. I mean, Mario gets the action at the end of every game, but not Link.
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Solitaire
I mean, what can I say? There's all that plot, all that exposition! The tension and fear and pain and then...
The cards do a little dance. Deal again?
Elite and Elite II: Frontier. Both games with tiresome endings.
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The Ending to MGS4.
Terrible in the fact that nothing about it makes you happy. At all.
I almost cried.
It's also about an hour long.
If you almost cried, I'd say that's pretty good writing. Evoking emotion is one of the main purposes of art.
It was long, yes, but that (the abundance of cutscenes) was what made it such a fun and awesome game. They didn't slack one bit on the story. It reminded me of a really well-done movie, except the cliché of Snake saving everyone literally seconds before they were going to die. Aside from that, that's the best ending I have ever seen in a video game. Don't start naming video games with good endings, because I haven't played every game ever.
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Alone in the Dark?
I really liked playing the game because of the inventory & things like blasting doors open. (I wish there was more with the physics, like barricades or something)
Unfortunately the last chapter boiled down to getting screwed one way or another and then the game ends. I was expecting something some apocalyptic finale with the lightbringer, or Crowley ... or someone. Every earlier boss had a bigger climax.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EddhwUPmjjA&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=perfect%20dark&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&
Proof that good games don't need good endings.