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Fun Stuff => ENJOY => Topic started by: alongwaltz on 05 May 2007, 13:44
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What's going on? What the hell is Jack hiding that he feels Kate isn't ready to hear yet, even though Juliet wanted to tell her? Is Charlie really going to die? What's with the rough initation rites to get into the Others? Who did Cindy kill to join the club? Is Richard Alpert really part of the alleged Others' rift or was he just part of Ben playing with Locke? Do we finally meet Jacob next week? Will Walt and Michael reappear before the end of the season? What's Rousseau going to blow up? Will we ever see Rose & Bernard again? Whatever happened to Karl?
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I've been watching the show since the beginning.
I've always really liked it. A lot of suspense and cliff-hangers...
I don't like the negative press it's gotten since it went on hiatus. I think that's pretty ridiculous.
As for what's going on in the show, I assure you, no one has a clue XD
We'll probably see Walt and Michael again some time, unless some real-life issue had them leave the cast.
I'd like to know what's up with the polar bear, the giant statue with the weird feet, and the smoke monster.
If it ends up that they're all in Hell or purgatory or something, I'll be pissed. That seems like an easy way out.
On a personal note: I miss Echo. He was cool.
As for Jack... I think he's being really naive with Juliet, although we were lead to believe she was all right... so it's only natural that he does too. I just think he's being a little dumb spending all his time with her, and alienating all his friends... they don't even trust him anymore.
The whole thing with Charlie is weird. It seems like eventually he'll have to die... unless Desmond has to sacrifice himself for him or something. It'd better be for a really good reason.
I'm pretty sure the audience is supposed to feel "lost" while watching though. Constant mystery, and loose ends. Some people don't like that.. I personally don't mind.
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Michael and Walt left in the season finale of last season. So I expect them to show up in last or second-last episode of this season. If they don't appear all season, people will be pissed. You can't have two characters disappear in a boat for a month and not let us know what happened.
I've read that producers said in interviews that it is an island in our world in the ocean. The rumors of it being hell or limbo or in a different time period or in a biodome for a reality show are all false. They just tease those ideas occasionally.
I do think Juliet's playing Ben and she's going to turn around and help Jack and the castaways survive. Her main desire is getting off the island. Ben messed with her too many times. He tells her she can't leave, tells her her sister's dying, shows her that she's better, then cuts off the feed abruptly, and tells her she can't go again. Juliet hates him and she's just going along with him for the time being.
I'm thinking Charlie won't die and I hope not. But apparently he embarks on a dangerous mission in an episode or two to possibly end the Others' reign once and for all. So I guess he could. He could die heroically, saving the castaways in the process.
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This show has been crazy good since the hiatus. Thank God.
And, yeah, the Hell/Purgatory thing is not going to happen. It's been guessed at since the first season so, even if that was ever an idea they were going to use, they aren't now.
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We'll probably see Walt and Michael again some time, unless some real-life issue had them leave the cast.
Like Puberty?
I thought the hole polar bear thing had been pretty much settled, between the ship that Rousseau came on (I thought that had bears) and the abandoned zoo on the other island, a few stray polar bears don't seem that strange to me.
I also dont' think Cindy had to kill anyone. in fact I would think that if Locke had killed his father they would have rejected him, I think this is all some elaborate test for him, the man who would be King.
I'm sure it's not Hell. If for no other reason than the explosion was detected off the island, and a ship was dispatched to check it out. Sawyer senior was ran off the road and kidnapped by Dharma agents, which is why the guy was smiling when he stuck the IV in his arm.
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The end is in sight for ABC's acclaimed island mystery Lost, but fans will have to wait until 2010 for all the answers.
In a highly unusual move, the network announces plans today to end the show after three more shortened seasons of 16 episodes each. The episodes will air consecutively, repeat-free, from February to May.
ABC's bold step marks a response to the show's producers, who have been eager to set a finish line to better plot out their convoluted mystery of plane-crash survivors and to placate fans who are frustrated that the show seemed to be vamping its way to a conclusion.
"Among fans there was an unease that they were making an investment in a show that's complicated without any sense of where that's going to lead them," co-creator Damon Lindelof said in an exclusive interview. "From the very beginning, fans and even critics have been saying, 'Are you making it up as you go along?' " which was "a legitimate question."
Now, with a still far-away ending in sight, Lindelof says he and executive producer Carlton Cuse have "specific designs for ending the next two seasons" and promises that with the answer-filled season finale May 23, viewers "will begin to get an idea of what that design will be, and it will not be at all what they expect."
The finale completed filming in Hawaii on Saturday, a day after Lindelof and Cuse signed new contracts that will keep them working on Lost exclusively for the duration. With 48 more episodes due, the show will have completed 60% of its planned six-season run.
"It's practically unprecedented in network TV to announce the end of a show this far out," Cuse says.
ABC Entertainment president Steve McPherson says the unusual long-term commitment is "a unique situation" he would be unlikely to repeat for other series. "It's one of the best shows that's ever been on," he says. "It's got brilliant storytelling, incredible character work, and takes chances beyond anything that's on the air now."
With Desperate Housewives, Lost re-energized ABC in fall 2004 and became a top 10 series. But after two time-slot switches, interruptions for low-rated repeats and a mystery that tried the patience of some fans, Lost has lost some steam. Ratings are down about 14% this season, though Lost still ranks highly among young adults and is the most heavily recorded show on DVRs.
McPherson concedes that splitting the current third season in two "was not the best for the show" and says the network also is discussing a return to an earlier time slot to draw more family viewership.
Shorter seasons will allow plots to be more tightly constructed and "will make it a real event," Lindelof says. "We won't have to do episodes where people are standing on the beach looking at the water and wondering what's going to happen next."
Will Lost risk losing fans' interest with an eight-month lag? "People wait longer than eight months for the next books and films in the Harry Potter story and they don't seem to lose interest," Cuse says. "We have faith that our audience, knowing exactly how much of the story we have left, is going to be with us for the rest of the ride."
But, Lindelof says, "the last five minutes of (this month's) finale are going to seal our fate."
So, there it is. The writers have an end in the cards and a timeline to do it in.
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We'll probably see Walt and Michael again some time, unless some real-life issue had them leave the cast.
Like Puberty?
Yeah, Walt is gone. The kid who played him would be/look way to old by now. Michael might be back, but it wouldn't make much sense if he came back without Walt.
I've loved it sense the hiatus. I'm also really glad they have a set timetable. I've been saying that it just needs one more season and I'd be happy, but three short seasons works well for me, too. As long as they bring back Shannon... am I right?
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I don't think Shannon needs to come back.
Any hot chick who spends most of the day in her bikini would be fine.
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I don't think Shannon needs to come back.
Any hot chick who spends most of the day in her bikini would be fine.
Fair enough.
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Okay, that was amazing. Clears up a lot of things and ties some really interesting pieces together. A million new questions, to be sure, but in the meantime a kickass episode.
Clearly every single character has daddy issues, though. And I think the Dharma vs. Hostiles war is supposed to represent Science vs. Religion. Hence the "purge". And echoes of the old Locke vs. Jack battles from season two.
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POSSIBLE SPOILERS RE: EPISODE 20 WRITTEN REALLY VAGUELY
I watched the bit in the cabin on the hilltop in slow motion and there's a guy on the chair in the middle of the room at one point. He's obviously very much in the dark, but either way he's definitely not someone I recognised. Interesting touch of ambiguity.
I know there've been threats of violence in previous Lost-related topics re: comparisons with Twin Peaks, but something about that scene in the cabin really did remind me of the horrific flashbacks to the place where Laura Palmer died. Consequently I was probably a touched more scared shitless than I had any right to be.
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About ep. 20 -
Oh. My. Hell. I literally yelled "NO!!!!!!!!!!" at that one point - you know what I'm talking about.
On a more awesomer note...
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/thenena/lolben-1.jpg)
My boyfriend found this on the 4815162342.com forums by deadchip (http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=39880).
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Yeah, I screamed "NOOOOOO!" then looked at the clock and realized the big white letters were coming and screamed "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" even harder and pounded my fists.
This show is so fucking awesome these days.
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So who the hell are Hostiles and why does Richard Alpert not age?
The biggest theories I've heard is they were initially members of Roussea's crew or descendents of the Black Rock.
And what happened to the original batch from the purge era? Because Ben said pretty much all the current Others were brough there by him.
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The thing is Ben was talking about bringing the others to the island in the same breath as saying he was born there.
The ageless Richard quirk is pretty cool, especially given what he said to Locke about Ben distracting everyone with the fertility business. If he (and some others?) don't age they're probably not too worried about making babies.
I've said it before, but I hate the way they go this kind of Freudian route of linking characters' traits back to traumatic childhood events... Ben's interest in the fertility thing now looks like it's tied to his mother's death in childbirth. Lame.
I hate liking this show. :(
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I'm wondering what happened to Annie too. I think she died before the purge which is what helped push Ben over the edge about not caring anymore and just wanting all the Dharmites to die.
I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that she died trying to give birth to his child.
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I've said it before, but I hate the way they go this kind of Freudian route of linking characters' traits back to traumatic childhood events... Ben's interest in the fertility thing now looks like it's tied to his mother's death in childbirth. Lame.
Every single character on this show has daddy issues. It's just a theme of the show. I don't think the mother thing is really the driving force of the fertility thing or, even if it is, it's rather irrelevant. It's also just a parallel to the Biblical story of Jacob(eh? eh?) and Rachel, who died giving birth to Benjamin.
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I'm pretty excited for the season finale now.
That was pretty great. And quite a few loose ends and whatever-happened-to?s wrapped up.
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I think the oar to the face was excessive. A simple "No, I must do this" would've sufficed.
Jeeze.
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I don't think tomorrow night's gonna tide me over until next Wednesday.
I am so goddamn excited for this.
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Potential spoiler is tiny, just in case...
Oh, I am too - I really really don't want Charlie to die - but I know the finale is going to make me angry at waiting until season 4...
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Oh man. So goddamned excited for next week. I do not know what I'm going to do with myself for the next week, let alone the 8 months after. Goddamn!
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I'm starting to wonder if Desmond and Locke really survived that explosion.
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which, the hatch? I'm thinking they did since Locke got shot and felt pain and all.
So my cousin went into some LOST blog and found out that from like 3 episodes ago there were 4 characters that were going to die; Locke's dad was one.
NOT ACTUAL SPOILERS BUT STILL
I'm thinking the other three are Sawyer, Kate, and Desmond.
I have no idea why those three, but it's just this feeling I've got.
24 HOURS AND COUNTING
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if you're right, I will be angry.
I think Jack may, and maybe Sun or Jin
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If Sawyer, Kate and Jack all died, the next season would practically be a spin-off.
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I'm going with Bernard, one of the Others, and maybe someone from the radio tower crew. But I'm not sure who.
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Holy shit.
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Brilliant and unsettling ending.
Well done, Lost.
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Are you kidding me?
*spoilers below*
They unveil the freaking ending, They got off the island! What's left to watch now but them trying to tie up the infinite loose ends they've created? The mystery has been ruined for me, and especially since Charlie died I have much less interest left to watch it at all, or at least no hype for the new season anyway. The episode would've been fine with me if they hadn't had those "flash forwards" in between. While they were cool, they would be better suited for a spin off after the series ends, not ruining the ending for me.
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I think it left us hanging quite enough not to have ruined the show.
I for one, sure as hell want to know how things ended up that way, who Jack was so upset over, did the boat actually send rescue? What about everyone else? Etc.
That ending only answered "What happens to Jack and Kate?" And even then, not completely.
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I'm pretty sure that that future is where the next season picks up, not where it's getting to.
The next season will be about life off the Island, the survivors coming back together to go back, with flashbacks about the aftermath of their rescue.
There's so much we still know nothing about and I'd wager that Ben was being totally truthful when he called the ship the 'bad guys'. Unfortunately, it was too late.
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That's one thing about Ben.
He's only got one facial expression, so I never know what he's up to.
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I'm pretty sure that that future is where the next season picks up, not where it's getting to.
The next season will be about life off the Island, the survivors coming back together to go back, with flashbacks about the aftermath of their rescue.
There's so much we still know nothing about and I'd wager that Ben was being totally truthful when he called the ship the 'bad guys'. Unfortunately, it was too late.
Yeah, like who's in the coffin? Who was Kate talking about when she said something about someone else knowing where she was?
I sure hope Des got off this time. Poor guy is too screwed over as it is. I liked the way Charlie died, though, although it was so sad... poor Claire.
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They unveil the freaking ending, They got off the island! What's left to watch now but them trying to tie up the infinite loose ends they've created? The mystery has been ruined for me, and especially since Charlie died I have much less interest left to watch it at all, or at least no hype for the new season anyway. The episode would've been fine with me if they hadn't had those "flash forwards" in between. While they were cool, they would be better suited for a spin off after the series ends, not ruining the ending for me.
...you dont "get" Lost, do you?
edit- wait, you actually LIKED charlie? christ, i was waiting for the day they'd finally kill him.
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Charlie was a dumb ass. if he started taking deep breaths as soon as the water started coming in, then he could have swam out the window once the water got hight enough.
though I'm also calling bad science. That is a water proof room, under water and air tight. once the water level got over the window, no more air could have escaped to let the water in. there would have been an air pocket at the top that he could have survived in for some time.
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Yeah, that was a bit silly. He could have fit through the window, but he died because he thought he had to to save Claire and the baby. I liked Charlie and I'm sad he's gone, but there are other people I like on the show, too. The finale was interesting and I really want to know who was in the coffin. It was someone that nobody really liked anymore, I guess as no one was there, and I really want to see why Jack ends up suicidal. I'm kind of glad they've given some insight into the future, because I was getting really sick of not getting any information about what is going to happen, not what already happened.
And I liked it when the French woman elbowed Ben in the face, because that guy is freaky and definitely needed it.
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All these people who are like "Charlie could've swam out!" are totally missing the point. He died on purpose. He thought he had to die in order for Claire to be rescued and he had accepted that.
The flash-forward was incredible, once you realised what it was. My theories include:
-Ben was the body at the funeral
-Kate had to get back to Sawyer
-Jack managed to get some people rescued and off the island but not everyone and had to sacrifice something to do so. He deeply regrets this, which is why he desperately wants back, studies maps and flies on planes left and right, hoping that they'll crash.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the castaways get rescued next season and then bridge to that point that we saw, with the last season or two being Jack trying to get back to the island and make things right.
Interesting to note:
The plane crashed on September 22, 2004. Each season has been one month, with Naomi being killed by Locke taking place just before new year's eve. The paper that Jack was given by the stewardess in the first flash was dated April 2007.
Naomi's people are definitely the bad guys who might help Claire, Jack, Kate, etc. get home if only to get them off the island so they can take it for themselves. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ben, Locke, Richard, and maybe some others team up and try to fight them.
The big questions now are:
-Walt. Was it the Monster, Jacob, the real Walt (and what are the repercussions if that is the case?), or something different?
-Is Penny working with Dharma, the Others, the Other Others, or by herself?
-Will Desmond make it to the beach in time to walkie-talkie Jack? Will they take him seriously? Will Jack ignore him and insist they're being rescued?
-Why is Richard taking people to a temple?
-Why the fuck do we have to wait until February to find out?
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Thought it was interesting that Jack said whatever he said to the new surgeon about going and getting his father.
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Rose became one of my favorite people ever with "Jack, if you say 'live together, die alone' I'm gonna smack you in the face."
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Thought it was interesting that Jack said whatever he said to the new surgeon about going and getting his father.
Yeah, there's different interpretations to "Get my father down here and if he's drunker than I am, then you can fire me."
a) His father's somehow alive and well and working again.
b) By "down here", he meant down from heaven.
c) The booze and the pills just put Jack in a really f'd up state and it was either dementia or he was delirious.
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Something I've been pondering:
What is the status of Desmond's visions now?
All his past visions (other than when he traveled back in time) were about Charlie dying. Now Charlie's dead. Does that mean no more visions? Will he start having visions of another person dying? Maybe his own death? Or something else entirely, visions of the future, but not death related?
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the big question is by saving charlie did desmond bring people to the island that should never have found it?
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Yeah, the whole flash-forward business opened a shipping container of worms, really. I don't think it ruined the story any more than watching Pulp Fiction or Memento in the intended order ruins those movies.
-Jack managed to get some people rescued and off the island but not everyone and had to sacrifice something to do so. He deeply regrets this, which is why he desperately wants back, studies maps and flies on planes left and right, hoping that they'll crash.
The big question this raised for me wasn't actually why Jack was so upset but why he can't get back to the island! If they can get be found and rescued, why can he now not go back? Given his messed up state (tend to think his father was dead at that point, but he was too screwed to remember that) is he trying to go back to a place that's now destroyed? Is he just misguided in believing he needs to crash to get back there? Really, we can't trust anything he said in that flash-forward, including his perception that the whole thing was a mistake (which Kate seemed to disagree with). It's awesomely unreliable narrator time.
Another thing I've been thinking about...
Naomi's people are definitely the bad guys
Didn't Penelope just say she a) wasn't on a ship and b) didn't know who Naomi was? Did Charlie leap to the conclusion that the ship is not Penelope's people? I'm pretty sure Naomi said she'd never met Penelope, does anyone remember? I guess Pen did say "What ship?" but, still, I think it's a possibility.
Also, Ben will have to be forever cast as a bad guy, since he's now connected with images of mass graves and the usual stuff we associate with genocide. A TV show can't really turn around and cast that kind of guy in a favourable light without getting some serious condemnation, can they?
I'm always wary when writing this kind of thing that it's the kind of show where we're never really gonna get many of the answers, the fun's just in mulling stuff over and getting sucked in for a bit.
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Something I've been pondering:
What is the status of Desmond's visions now?
All his past visions (other than when he traveled back in time) were about Charlie dying. Now Charlie's dead. Does that mean no more visions? Will he start having visions of another person dying? Maybe his own death? Or something else entirely, visions of the future, but not death related?
They actually adressed that in the episode. In the Looking Glass Charlie asked Desmond if he had had any more visions, and Desmond said no. Since Charlie is dead, Des' visions have stopped.
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Something I've been pondering:
What is the status of Desmond's visions now?
All his past visions (other than when he traveled back in time) were about Charlie dying. Now Charlie's dead. Does that mean no more visions? Will he start having visions of another person dying? Maybe his own death? Or something else entirely, visions of the future, but not death related?
They actually adressed that in the episode. In the Looking Glass Charlie asked Desmond if he had had any more visions, and Desmond said no. Since Charlie is dead, Des' visions have stopped.
But Charlie hadn't died yet. They were still in the middle of the vision coming into being. Just like, when they were walking through the jungle, Desmond didn't have any more visions until after he saved Charlie from the arrow.
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Meh, I still think they're gonna stop. Especially since all of them were roundabout ways of saving Charlie, and now he's died.
I mean, think about it. If Desmond kept having visions, they'd be repeating the same storyline but set for a different character and the show would lose viewers.
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Something I've been pondering:
What is the status of Desmond's visions now? ... Or something else entirely, visions of the future, but not death related?
Zombie Charlie coming back to eat brains.
I was kind of pissed that Desmond heard Penny but didn't get to talk to her. Poor guy.
I liked Charlie, especially since he changed so much from innocent to corrupt rock star then back again.
I think it's implied that Kate has to get back to Sawyer. One theory I've heard is that somehow they get rescued to the wrong timeline (like the Desmond episode) and Jack's father IS still alive. I saw it as Jack being pathetically messed up to the point where he writes prescriptions for himself as his dad. His beard was crazy, though.
Again, the show is taking us somewhere we'd never really expect it to. I'm pissed that we have to wait until February, but I'll live.
And I thought the finale was also directed at tormenting the shippers, as well. It made me laugh evilly under my breath a bit. You'd have to be stupid to get involved with someone on the island. Fortunately, Charlie & Claire didn't make it to the "go on a picnic" stage. Then it's final: the girl dies. That's why Charlie had to die to save Claire. If he loved her, eventually they would go on a picnic. He didn't want her to get shot.
One last thing: wasn't it cool when Ben introduced Danielle to Alex as "your mother"? Then Danielle gets this look in her eyes and says "want to help me tie him up?" or something. She was thinking "we must make up for the last 16 years by being crazy French ladies together! Soon, you will be boobytrapping this jungle, just like I did!"
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it's so true! "If you're good I'll teach you to kill someone with a frond leaf and this egg spoon, dear." "Ooooh!"
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apparently (my friend listens to podcasts and whatnot, generally 100% reliable) the premonition was showing that jack and kate were the only ones to get off the island, bargaining somehow or doing whatever to get off the island, i suspect that is why jack turned into such a wreck, knowing he condemned all of the people he promised to save.
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it's so true! "If you're good I'll teach you to kill someone with a frond leaf and this egg spoon, dear." "Ooooh!"
Hee hee, I love Danielle.
Hm, only Jack & Kate, you say? Poor Kate/Sawyer diehards that think they're totally married now. I don't know if it would be EVERYONE left behind - I think Jack would freak if even a few were. Still... can't wait!!!
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That still leaves the question of who died.
and what about all of that business with the arg last year and some kind of virus they were making?
what was Desmond shooting himself up with all the time?
What if they got out and killed half the population?
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it's hard to tell what's factual and what isn't. by saying there's a virus it could be easier to convince pergnant women to take drugs to help them not die, but also keep people from going outside when they shouldn't, etc. once desmond got outside he seemed pretty convinced that there was no virus and that he's going to be just fine. I suppose we'll find out.
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OTOH, Danielle was convinced there was an illness on the island, completely separate from Dharma or the Others.
However, the virus from the Lost Experience is not the alleged virus of the island, I'm reasonably sure. That virus was due to Mittelwerk's recent takeover of the Hanso Foundation to find a drastic and quick solution to changing the Valenzetti numbers.
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For everyone complaining about the season finale and the flash forwards, will you EVER be happy?
I've been watching LOST for three seasons now. I will admit, that the second, and even third season, had derailed most of what I enjoyed about the show, and I was growing extremely frusterated with it. The season finale was powerful, moving, and while mysterious, it was enough to keep me on board. Jack, as determined as he was to get off the island, is a broken man in normal society. I'm not going to waste my time guessing since the show won't be back on for atleast another 6 months, I'm going to enjoy that last scene as some of the most powerful work on a TV show that I've watched, and wait.
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The season finale was indeed some of the best television ever. I had started to get really annoyed and fed up with lost a while back (early season 3 or late season 2, not sure anymore cause i don't watch it on the same timeline as everyone else, I download it and watch it later... but I thinkit was around the time the others had captured Kate and Sawyer and put them in the cages) cause it was getting really stupid. Seemed like they were just throwing more and more layers and more and more mysteries onto the plot without resloving anything and i was starting to think they would NEVER be able to tie it all together in a way that would satisfy intelligent audience members. I even started to question whether the writers even knew where they were going with all of this or were they just making shit up as they go along? But the last half of season 3 was great, still leaves you with that 'wtf? i'm so lost' kind of feeling but in a good way, and you feel like you're making progress in terms of getting some answers or hints as to what may be going on. And then the finale. The potential for some boat to get some of the people off the island but they may actually be bad guys so you're left with that "what's gonna happen" cliffhanger feeling. The flash forwards were great too in so many ways. We now sort of know that some of the losties will be rescued or get off the island somehow but still we are left with more questions. Who is Kate needing to get back to? Is she being kept against her will or is she simply with someone (Sawyer maybe?) who doesn't want her seeing Jack? Who was in the coffin? Is Jack's dad alive? (They never did find his body and he did appear to jack on the island once.... that fact and the numbers have been 2 things that i've felt were very important since the beginning). The whole Jacob thing is awfully intriguing as well.
Season 4 is going to be amazing. I just wish we didn't have to wait 8 or 9 months for it :cry:
Since the finale rekindled my passion and i tend to have a bit of an obssessive streak to me, I have begun re-watching the entire series. I want to be reminded of details and hints I may have fogotten or missed the first time around. Plus it's a way to keep from going crazy with withdrawal till february.
Damn this show's good. I just hope it doesn't dissapoint in the end like heroes season finale did.
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now I know the rule about rekindling a dead thread but season 4 starts in about 27 days and the trailers have been put out (the extended 1 1/1 minute one is awesome) so i figured it was fair to revive this so conversation can start up again on Season 4.
if you dont like Lost there's pretty much no point in posting just to say so, i'm not expecting everyone to like it, i'd just like to hear some ideas and thoughts etc on the new season!
to start off, the extended trailer is here -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ou7cWOTXJs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ou7cWOTXJs) for anyone that hasnt seen it.
my biggest question looking at that is if like creepy new guy says, rescuing the losties isnt the freighter teams main concern, then, like jack asks, what the hell is?
either something we dont know about is about to be introduced, or (more likely), we'll find out more about one of these many mysteries we've been left with. there was speculation as to stuff to do with DHARMA because of the image of a rock or something with a dharma logo on in the shorter trailer. i'm pretty sure they've wrapped up the arc about DHARMA's presence on the island towards the end of season 3, but i reckon we'll hear more about the company outside of the island.
what does anybody think?
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I think they're continuing to just make shit up as they go along.
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I doubt they would, stupid people eat up like candy.
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The show's been plotted out for the next three seasons, right up to its final episode, and has been contracted until then. The Writer's strike is the only thing that could get it canned.
Also, fuck you.
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I hope the ratings go in the crapper and the expense of the series cause it to be cancelled before the last season JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO CARNIVALE AND CARNIVALE WAS A MILLION TIMES BETTER OF A SHOW.
Deadwood, too, for that matter, though it's not as bad in that case because you can enjoy Deadwood on an episodic basis without really needing a "conclusion" to a "mystery". (For one thing, the historical record can tell you what ultimately happens to most of the main characters anyway.)
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should have known politely asking people to just post if theyre interested instead of talking crap about it would go to shit.
oh well!
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i know i know, i didnt mean to come across that pissy. i've just heard the same complaints over and over again and i've always kind of figured if you dont like something dont talk about it.
i never mention prison break, alias or 24. or anything joss whedon has done other than firefly.
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I prefer to pretend that Firefly is the only thing Joss Whedon has ever done.
Nah, I actually enjoyed some of Angel, but that was because of Boreanz and... uh... the "good" demon guy with the green skin... being good actors more than the actual writing or plot.
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Three.
Shortened to sixteen episodes each, eight less than the industry standard television season.
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Yeah, the writers already agreed there will be 48 more episodes. No more, no less.
I'm kind of disappointed in what they can do now, though, with the whole flash-forward thing setting up the rest of the show.
We know Jack and Kate make it off the island, but we don't know if anybody else does, and at that, we don't know who dies or not and how.
At this point, there are way too many loose plot ends to tie up, I have a feeling just those ones will take up all 48 episodes.
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i'm pretty convinced the flash forwards will make up alternate realities for each of the characters, sort of like a 'this is what could have happened'. the situation on the island for the survivors is so delicate i think even the smallest decision could tip the future of each character onto a whole new path.
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OK seriously, if the flash-forwards are "alternate realities" then that is officially stupider than that season of Dynasty that ended up all being a dream.
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I dont think its alternate realities. I think it'd be straight up "We shouldnt have left the island!" sort of thing, like everyone's life being ruined after leaving.
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Honestly I had to rack my brain to remember the stuff I put in my last post. I don't remember shit about this show.
So, torrent files of all 3 seasons were in order. So far I'm like 5 episodes into season 1. Ah, those were good times. Remember when we first found out about the caves?
None of that Dharma bullshit to deal with. Those were simpler times, better times.
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Man, when are they going to start season 4??
And, GO LOCKE!
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January 31st.
And no, I am not counting the days until then.
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and why the hell not?
Oh man you guys I watched the episode where they first find the hatch last night. I forgot just how good this show is.
and how great its replay value is.
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I forgot about all of this stuff... :/ I guess I'll have to watch the recap show.
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Well, I'm sufficiently confused now.
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This episode turned me from a LOST hater into a fan. That's saying a lot.
It appears they have actually decided to map out a definite plot instead of just OMG RANDOM SHIT THAT WILL NEVER BE EXPLAINED.
Also, the fact that Locke, Sawyer, Hurley and Ben (ie "the cool characters") are now all on the same "side" and the intensely annoying Jack/Kate wondertwins are on the other side is rad.
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I missed it tonight because of class/a meeting, but once I watch it online tomorrow I will chime in.
You can not comprehend how excited I am about this.
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I will say that this was about the best Hurley's been and I am incredibly pleased to see him revealed as one of the "Oceanic 6." With Charlie dead (Or is he?), Hurley's defaulted to my favorite character with Locke bringing up the rear.
Also of note: Did we all notice who was sitting in Jacob's chair? It may not have been so obvious if you weren't watching Missing Pieces.
Spoiler: Jack mother fucking Shephard! He was wearing that same black suit and white sneakers outfit in White Rabbit and the final installment of Missing Pieces. The plot thickens...
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Yeah, I'm glad they said 6, too. And I did see what was in Jacob's chair, but I want to know who was looking at Hurley through the window. And who the hell Jacob is.
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I'm pretty sure that was just Locke. It looked like his eye and considering his connection to the island and the fact he showed up immediately afterward makes it seem pretty clear to me.
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Clearly Jacob is Management from Carnivale.
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At first I was skeptical about the flash-forwards and I actually wasn't planing on watching this episode, but man I'm glad I did. Haha, I was half expecting a cloverfield reference though. When Hurley said, "Slushy" if he had said Slusho, it would have been perfect, haha
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The flash-forward thing is a pretty amazing way to switch up the show's format a tiny bit. Makes you feel like you're working towards the end. Appropriate, considering this episode was called The Beginning of the End.
Also, Ben is an enormously entertaining asshole. I hope we get more Ben-centric episodes.
I'm hell of excited and hope so hard the networks cave to the writers soon.
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I have a love-hate relationship with the flash-forwards. It's definately and interesting way to end the show, but now we know that only six people make it off the island, and we know who three of them are. This makes things a little less interesting to me. Also, now that people from off the island know exactly where they are, how is this thing going to stretch three more seasons?
That being said I loved last night's episode. The ending was perfect, I was practically shouting at my laptop.
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I don't think the flash-forwards are about the ending. I think the end of this season will meet up with the current flash-forwards with next season being the return to the island to save the ones left behind.
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Ooh, I like that idea. I can go for that.
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I love this show!
I'm too tired to talk about plot ideas, but still.
I love the whole Rousseou and Alex (I think thats her name) bonding, "Help me tie her up"
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*potential spoilers from my head below*
Looking back on the past season, I've decided Michael is in the casket Jack goes to.
Which means the Oceanic Six are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Michael (but not Walt, because Michael goes back to the island in season 4, I think), Sun, and Jin.
apparently (my friend listens to podcasts and whatnot, generally 100% reliable) the premonition was showing that jack and kate were the only ones to get off the island
Yeah, that was a big lie.
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Double-you-tee-eff?
Great episode, but fuck if I'm not confused as shit.
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haha, I liked the slightly taller Walt thing. How long have they been on the Island again?
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Awesome episode. The "rescuers" are great new characters, especially "the crazy one", who seems like he might turn into a good-guy.
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93 days since the crash according to Wikipedia. It should be sometime around Christmas of 2004 as of the current season's start.
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Great episode, but fuck if I'm not confused as shit.
Welcome to Lost!
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Something I just realized. I had to have been wrong about Locke being at the cabin. He wouldn't have been so surprised to hear Hugo mention knowing of "the cabin" if he were the one who spotted him.
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Spoiler: Jack mother fucking Shephard! He was wearing that same black suit and white sneakers outfit in White Rabbit and the final installment of Missing Pieces. The plot thickens...
I just realized that you meant Christian Shepard and I'm far less confused.
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You guys something just occurred to me about the Oceanic Six!
Needless to say, spoilers.
okay, one of two things is true here. Either, Kate is not a member of the Oceanic 6, since she is wanted, or, more likely, she is under the persona of another survivor (probably somebody deceased).
Also, if you remember that premonition Desmond had, Claire and Aaron get off via the helicopter, but I think they only count as one of the Oceanic 6, since Aaron wasn't technically a passenger.
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Something I just realized. I had to have been wrong about Locke being at the cabin. He wouldn't have been so surprised to hear Hugo mention knowing of "the cabin" if he were the one who spotted him.
Not to mention that apparently the cabin moves
And why would it do that if Jacob asked Locke for help? Is Hurley the new "one" or something?
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Not the date of the entry, I wrote that well before the episode where they noted that the cabin apparently moves.
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zomg, the end of last week's episode was SO good!
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I literally went "GAHHHHHHHH" when it happened.
OMG.
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Man, am I the only one who saw it coming a mile away?
Honestly, they've got a shit ton of explaining to do. Considering Kate was clearly not visibly pregnant when she boarded the plane, considering the short amount of time they've been on the island, it'd have to be obvious that Aaron is not really her kid.
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She could've been pregnant, its only been ninety days on the island. She so could have been pregnant this whole time, it doesnt start to show in the first month or so.
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Given, but I'm pretty sure the implication is that that baby is Claire's Aaron. There are multiple people who saw her soon before 815 went down and in order for that baby to have been born on the island, she would've had to be at least six months pregnant, making her quite visibly knocked up.
There's plenty of explaining to do. My current suspicion:
While testifying, Jack mentioned that there were eight survivors, but there's only six who made it home. This indicates that their story involves there being two people who survived initially, but didn't make it. My guess is that they list Claire as an initial survivor who "died in childbirth," with Kate taking care of Aaron.
What I'm curious about, is whether Jack is aware he is Aaron's closest blood relative (Being Claire's half brother and all) if his father isn't around
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The 90+ days on the island doesn't mean that much. Remember that the clocks that Daniel Faraday received, the 30+ minute difference in them? Time isn't the same on the island as it is in the rest of the world (that also explains "bigger" Walt). So it could be that the rest of the world thinks that they have been missing for like 3 years or 5 or whatever. I've stopped trying to think things out on this so and I'm just letting it flow.
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Guesses based upon the newest preview:
Jin and Sun are the last of the Oceanic six. This is something I've been assuming for a few weeks.
Michael is the captain of the freighter and he's Ben's man on the inside (Based upon the note saying "Don't trust the captain" and the fact that Sayid's encountering someone we apparently "never expected to see again."
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The 90+ days on the island doesn't mean that much. Remember that the clocks that Daniel Faraday received, the 30+ minute difference in them? Time isn't the same on the island as it is in the rest of the world (that also explains "bigger" Walt). So it could be that the rest of the world thinks that they have been missing for like 3 years or 5 or whatever. I've stopped trying to think things out on this so and I'm just letting it flow.
Except for the fact that it's December 2004 on the freighter and the island at the same time.
The only difference in time for anyone happened on the helicopter. The helicopter left at the same time from both frames of reference and landed at the same time. It just condensed a day into 20 minutes for its passengers.
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Yeah, I really screwed that one up. Oh well. Lets just see who the captain is Thursday then piss and moan that there won't be any new episodes till late April.
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Wait, fuck what?
Edit: GAH! What the fuck! It makes sense, but I didn't notice that. Although of note, we've actually got two more episodes before that hiatus occurs.
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SilentJ, I disagree with the Kate thing. She's up on trial as herself, not someone else, and she is considered on of the Oceanic 6. Something will happen that will explain why she has Aaron, but my guess is something happens to Claire, as I doubt she'd just give Aaron up.
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Well, yeah, I disagree with myself now as well, since I made that prediction like three episodes ago. I would've re-evaluated my own assumption by now, but for the past like three episodes I missed them on the thursdays and had to watch 'em on abc.com those saturdays, so I've pretty much avoided this thread for the past three weeks or so to avoid spoilers.
This'll be the first time in like a month that I remembered to catch LOST! Or rather, I only actually missed one, the other times I was busy on thursday nights.
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I...did not see that coming...
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Jesus, that hurt my head until I fully realized what they did. They are never allowed to mix their timelines like that every again, dangit.
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what Lostpedia calls a "mindfuck."
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Yeah, pretty much. But I was wondering why Jin had such an old fashioned cell phone. Poor Sun.
Spoiler: I was really hoping for the both of them to get off and survive, but I am very happy that she was able to have a healthy baby. It was also very nice of Hurley to go and visit her.
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Actually, that wasn't an old fashioned cell phone. I used to work with cell phones and that appeared to be something along the lines of a Nextel "candybar" series. It was pretty non descript and could've been anything from an i500 (Which came out in '96, but I've seen as recently as 2005) to something like an i205 (Debuted in 2003).
More theorizing:
The alleged death in the next episode will be either Claire, Jin or Desmond. Desmond makes sense as Sayid is said to get off the island and he's already off, technically. Desmond might get killed on the freighter because he's not one of the Oceanic survivors and he might represent a problem with the conspiracy that seems to occur. As far as Jin goes, his grave said 2004. Considering it's Christmas 2004, he has to die in the next few days for it to not be a continuity error (Unless it has something to do with the time anomolies). If he doesn't die there, he'd have to die soon after leaving the island since this flashforward couldn't have been any later than about July of 2005. It could also lend credence to the eight survivores, six returned thing (In Kate's episode, Jack mentioned there being eight survivors). If Aaron counted as one of the Oceanic Six, then one could figure that the two "survivors" who didn't make it were Jin and Claire, explaining why Kate has Aaron and why Jin's grave says 2004. Claire is also a candidate as I can't believe that she would let Kate take Aaron after all that "you must raise this child yourself" crap. This all could be moot if the time anomaly were involved somehow. As it stands, it doesn't make sense that there would be ANY survivors popping up when the captain said that they found all 340 passengers dead.
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By "old fashioned" what I meant was more like not up to par with most cell phones you see. Also, the man he worked for was pretty rich and powerful and I'm sure he would have had a fancier cell phone than that at the time.
I agree with your theories.
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New note: The grave didn't just say 2004. It said September 22, 2004, the date of the crash. This seems to imply that he dies on the island as they're listing him as someone who "died" in the crash, on the other hand, this doesn't add up. Sun had to have obviously gotten pregnant on the island due to her date of conception, so unless it's something to do with the time anomolies, it's a flaw in the conspiracy.
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I don't think Jin is dead, due to the fact that he apparently officially died in the crash.
I think Jin is "dead". As dead as anyone else who isn't one of the Oceanic Six. He probably did something very brave and stupid to get Sun off the island and got left behind.
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I can't imagine Sun reacting as tearfully as she did if he were just on the island. It seems to me that, as far as she's concerned, he's gone forever.
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I am still a little caught up in the fact that Juliette spit out Sun's secret like that. I was literally yelling "You dirty whore!" at my computer.
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Juliette was really stepping into "that baby might not be yours, day-time talk show" territory.
Does this mean that Michael's the inside man that Ben has? Or is it someone else? And what was up with that lady throwing herself into the water?
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I think Jin is "dead". As dead as anyone else who isn't one of the Oceanic Six. He probably did something very brave and stupid to get Sun off the island and got left behind.
I agree. They were very careful to leave it open to interpretation, and whenever a major character has died-for-real so far, they've been pretty explicit about it, as far as I can remember.
I can't imagine Sun reacting as tearfully as she did if he were just on the island. It seems to me that, as far as she's concerned, he's gone forever.
Perhaps, but we don't know the circumstances in which some people left and some people didn't. Maybe, as far as she can tell, there's no way he can ever get off, or she can go back. When she was in the hospital bed she kept yelling for them to fetch him. I think that's a clue that he's not dead, it would be weird for her to suddenly lose it like that, maybe.
Dang, it seems like everywhere I look there is major haterade for Juliette. I think she's pretty ok. She seems to have good intentions, at least so far.
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I agree, Juliette is getting the cold shoulder on the island. But I'm sure she'll eventually redeem herself... she didn't have a flashforward like everyone else has been having, so she might not make it. And since she's always willing to throw herself in harms way, she won't meet her end by sitting on her hands.
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She didn't have a flash forward because she's not one of the Oceanic 6. Notice that Ben's still in one of Sayid's flashbacks, but he's not one either. Juliette, Desmond and Ben could all make it while not being listed in that group because none of them were on Oceanic 815, they were on the island beforehand.
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I love love love the irony of Sayid turning in Michael for working for Ben.
So good.
Good episode. It didn't skip over anything or add any new questions, just filled in a blank.
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Good news, everyone!
ABC have signed on to add an hour to Lost's season finale (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=f829fe61-db84-45e4-a1b5-8d4fb4e1a28f), bringing the season total to 14, which is only one shy of what we would've gotten before the season was cut for the strike.
We'll get our first new episode a week from Thursday, followed by three more episodes before a one week hiatus and then May 29, we'll have a two hour finale episode (As opposed to a two hour finale on the fifteenth, as it was set beforehand).
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Awesome! I was going to have to miss the finale because (I believe) it was originally scheduled for the 22nd and I'm going to a Silver Mt. Zion concert that night. This is excellent news!
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That is very good news, indeed.
I have been upset for the last season and a half because they haven't been using Sayid as much as they should be, but this season has been great so far. They are taking him to places I never expected, and I'm quite pleased with it.
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Holy goddamn hell @ Alex's death and Ben actually failing to worm his way out of a situation for once.
I liked Alex so much. :(
Still, I think I'm going to love this direction of the show. I'm not convinced Widmore killed Nadia, but I still think he's the evil one.
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Wow. So... that just happened.
Does that blow your mind?
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Monster Related Spoiler! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=22IEXotlHV4&feature=related)
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That would be terrifying.
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Wow just wow
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Lost is so awesome but it drives me insane!
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I am so so so happy they are doing flashes of the future instead of the past now. It's helping things make more sense. It's all still confusing, but it's making more sense.
Oh, and I hate the actor that was the guy who shot Alex. He was in 3:10 to Yuma and I was so happy when he was beaten to death because his character was such an ass. He's basically the same guy but in the present, so maybe he'll get his face smashed in again. :-P
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I don't think the flash-forwards are about the ending. I think the end of this season will meet up with the current flash-forwards with next season being the return to the island to save the ones left behind.
Called it!
Sun is a fucking business badass, BTW.
Anyway, I have a small theory about what's going on (unfortunately, it's time travel crap):
A) Christian Shepard died in September in Australia. That's when he died and he stayed dead. However, that doesn't mean that he's not alive on the island right now. He could have gone forward in time, done everything he's doing now before he died, then jumped back and, possibly, the process killed him. Which brings me to
B) When he said move the island, he didn't mean to somewhere else on Earth. That would be noticed. That could be found. He meant to somewhen else. Backwards or, more likely, forwards in time. That's what the Orchid is. The Orchid Orientation video shows the rabbit bouncing backwards or forwards in time and that's what Locke's about to do to the island and everyone on it. I suspect Widmore's been waiting a long, long time for the island to reappear.
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Wow, I think last nights episode was by far one of the most tense of the series SO much awesome/weird/crazy stuff. I don't want to wait two fucking weeks! Any one have ideas on how the next two seasons are going to work in terms of flashbacks/forwards ect.? One of my guesses is they'll start doing parallel story lines, one focusing on the Oceanic 6 maybe leading up to them trying to get back to the island and the other focusing on whoever is still alive on the island by the finale's end.
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Well, I suspect if the second part of my theory is right, the distinction between flashback, flashforward, and concurrent is going to become a little blurry.
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did the season[4] just end with episode 12?
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No.
Two hour season finale is on Thursday.
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Finale=HOLY SHIT!!!!
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Everybody remember:
That Octagon Global Recruitment ad is DEFINITELY going to be something important.
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ARG.
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Indeed. (http://octagonglobalrecruiting.com/)
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Man, what?
Such a good episode, I'll post more later when I don't have to get up in 5 hours.
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Major Spoilers:
I am absolutely convinced that Jin survived. Think about it:
*Jin has been blown off a boat before, quite probably almost as far off shore as this one. Anyone else remember the season one finale? Where we thought he was dead and then he turned up, bound by the Tailies calling them Others? The guy was raised in a fishing village. He swam there faster than Michael and Sawyer floated in.
*The explosion was below deck on the bridge end of the ship. He was on the far other side of the top deck. The explosion didn't reach that far. It's possible, even probable by the show's standards, that he was knocked clear of the deck by the explosion.
*Faraday's raft was en route to the freighter when it blew. It's quite possible that, upon seeing the explosion, the rafters keep going to make sure the freight's not salvageable. I wouldn't be surprised to see the season five premiere end with Faraday's group discovering Jin.
Given, this is mostly me hoping that one of my favorite characters survived. They've killed two important characters at once before (Ana Lucia and Libby), they've had situations where there was no body for weeks and then they confirmed it (Danielle and Karl) and they've killed off countless main characters. I'm still not convinced until I see a body or the producers say "he dead."
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SPOILERS:
Well Michael might not be dead either. I mean, Walt obviously thought he was alive on the island, since he asked Hurley if Michael was one of the people they had to protect by keeping silent and Hurley confirmed it. Of course, they could just be being nice to Walt and sparing him the knowledge that his father is dead but I doubt it. Also, Christian told Michael he could go right before the boat exploded. What if Christian, who obviously can move around in space (teleportation?) can also move other people around in space? Either way, I think Michael might be alive. Jinn has to die at some point, however, since Hurley's and Sun's visit to the graveyard was definitely genuine. I'm not 100% convinced he died in the boat explosion but he'll die later on if he didn't. I actually didn't consider, at the time, that he might have even survived.
Also: Locke in the casket??? That floored me. I thought it might be Ben, but then that seemed to obvious. Then I thought it might be Desmond for some reason. The idea that it might be Claire was obviously thrown out with the Jeremy thing. I guess since the real Jeremy Benthem, the philosopher, was a big advocate of utilitarianism and legal reform, it kinda makes sense that Locke would be adopt that name. Still, I really wasn't expecting to see him in the casket and literally exclaimed something aloud when I did. Did anyone see that coming??
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I think it was pretty obvious Hurley was full of shit when he 'confirmed' it. Watch the scene again, he clearly looks uncomfortable when Walt asks him that question. In terms of the 'you can go' line, that one seemed pretty obvious to me: Tom had told Michael that the island would not let him die until it was finished with him, a fact that Ben later reiterated. I think it's pretty clear that 'you can go now' is Christian telling Michael he can finally die, as he wanted to all along. Christian, I'm convinced, is an apparition of some sort, not a legitimately tangible being.
In terms of Jin's having to die at some point, I think you missed the whole point. As far as Sun is concerned, Jin died on the freighter. That's what she saw and she's yet to be presented with evidence otherwise OFF the island. That doesn't confirm his demise in any way, shape or form, however. I'm banking that he either made it back to the island before it was moved (Clearly there's a perimeter to the island outside it's actual above ground portion, or it'd somehow leave stuff like the Looking Glass station behind), which Sun would have no way of knowing about, or he is in hiding off island so as not to contradict the Ocean Six's story. If he survived, but didn't meet up with them before the story got out, he likely couldn't bring himself to approach Sun, knowing that if they remained together it would out their story, dooming everyone, or ruin Sun's and Ji Yeon's lives as they'd need to go underground with him.
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Hmm good point. Your first point is definitely convincing so I think you're right. I guess I was just looking for potential ways we could be being fucked with a little too hard. As for point number two, I'm less convinced but it sounds plausible at least.
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Christian, I'm convinced, is an apparition of some sort, not a legitimately tangible being.
He's tangible enough to pet dogs and hold babies.
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I honestly don't see how him holding the baby would have been an illusion, either to the viewers or to Claire, since it would have involved him creating an illusion of him carrying the baby and also making Claire not realize she was holding Aaron. A bit of a stretch, I feel. If the Island can manifest visions that multiple people see and can manipulate guns into not firing in New York and everything else, I don't know why it's so bad for it to be able to make Christian "solid".
Plus, his body wasn't in the casket. Kind of gives a bit more credence to the thought that Christian's actual body is being used, at least some of the time.
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Wow, seriously. Seriously you guys. I think LOST needs to win an award for the most dedicated audience asides from Battlestar Galactica.
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That was basically a perfect season.
That is how you make a season of a show, television industry. Have a plan, stick to it, let it be encapsulated with a beginning and an end, but have it make the entire show as a whole better.
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It's rare that a show gets consistently better with every season like Lost has. Season four was by far the best so far, with the most consistently intense pacing and some of the best plot progressions thus far. I'm already going through withdrawal. Luckily, I've convinced my girl friend to start watching so I'm just done re-watching season 1. And yeah, Lost definitely has some of the most devoted, cultish fan following. Sure, it doesn't compare to, say, Star trek by a long show but it's a damn devoted following.
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I'm just waiting for the show to end and in the years following tattered "island" clothing to become the cult trend. It'll happen. Also, Battlestar Galactica should be classified sperately with cult followings because I'm sure 95% of people who like the current show despise the original, with good cause.
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I didn't really like this finale as much as say, the season 1 or season 3 finale. But I still think it was pretty good. One thing that concerns me is that I'm curious about how they're going to tell the story now. The events on the island have basically caught up with the flashforwards off the island. Originally at the beginning of this season I was somewhat speculating that they were going to rid the show of the flashes all together, and just split the narrative between concurrent off and on island stories. But now that seems unlikely, since there doesn't seem to be much more to say off island until 3 or so years after the events of this finale. However, I think that if the flashes remain, that it wouldn't be very fitting for Lost to have the core of the story (and the cast member receiving the flashes) off island.
And after this season, if they do rid the show of flashes, I will be slightly perturbed, since there are 3 characters who need the full Lost character treatment very badly (Miles, Charlotte, and Daniel, especially the former two.) and one who could possibly get it as well (Frank) and it's been heavily hinted at the end of this season they are going to have a big role.
So then I thought that maybe they were going to focus on only the on island things. But then I realized there doesn't appear to be much conflict left on the island (save for the cryptic "very bad things" that Locke mentions) and the only core, popular cast members left are whittled down to Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, Bernard and Rose (if anybody really even likes those three that much) and possibly Jin. Assuming that Claire will not be such a huge part of the core group now that she's become a mysterious island woman.
But assuming that the Lost writers can come up with more plot points than I can (and they no doubt will) then I assume that season 5 will focus heavily on the events on the island in the 3 years before the Six come back. Miles, Charlotte and Daniel's characters will be fleshed out considerably. I imagine initial drama will be provided by Locke's attempts to recruit his old friends and the freighter people to his new group of Others. (Quite possibly he will even be faced with the hard decision that Jacob may not want him to recruit a good many of them, such as Sawyer, as well.) Jacob should finally be explained. Other supernatural forces on the island such as Christian may be explained by way of Claire and Locke, and possibly Hostiles. Other major mysteries of the island will possibly be explained, especially by way of Charlotte and Miles, it appears. If there are any other new main cast members they'll probably be original Hostiles. Alpert could possibly become a main cast member and maybe get a flashback (here's hoping.)
As far as off island goes... I'm not sure. Beyond the fact that I think it should be explored what happens to Desmond, Penny, and Frank after leaving the island. I dunno. I don't think more needs to be said about Jack right now. Kate needs more characterization regarding her promise to Sawyer. Hurley seems to not need anything more. Sun for sure needs more. Sayid and Ben could maybe use an episode in the 3 year gap. However, I'm not sure any off island characters will be getting flashbacks/forwards.
I have no theories regarding the lore of the show, however. Really I'm just speculating about what form the narrative will take in these next two seasons. I'm probably completely wrong, as well.
Edit: Does anybody else think Walt might go back to the island? They have a perfect solution to the problem of his age. And I think Walt's storyline desperately needs a proper resolution. I think it's entirely possible he could go back to the island, and possibly be the successor to Locke as leader of the Others.
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I finally watched it! Perty good episode. I'll post more later when I have time.
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The producers have said that there was supposed to be more exposition about Charlotte, Miles and Faraday and that because of the writer's strike we'll get it next season instead of this one, so it's a safe bet a good chunk of the next one will be focused on them exploring the island.
Thankfully they have learned how to introduce new characters that people actually like; the Freighters are all great. Charlotte is kind of a bitch but still interesting and it's clear she does care about Dan. Miles is the new smartass now that Sawyer has gotten a bit more serious (though I lol'd when he called Frank "Kenny Rogers") and it seems like he does care about more than just money. And Faraday, well, no explanation needed, just a solid, sympathetic character who will probably die a horrible death saving Charlotte, in true LOST fashion.
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Edit: Does anybody else think Walt might go back to the island? They have a perfect solution to the problem of his age. And I think Walt's storyline desperately needs a proper resolution. I think it's entirely possible he could go back to the island, and possibly be the successor to Locke as leader of the Others.
Absolutely. Walt still has a definite role to play. He's still "special" and has some unexplained powers (making the bird hit the window, touching Locke in season 1 and knowing about the hatch ect. ect.). Whatever his role, I think it will be increasingly important. There was some speculation amongst friends that an entire season might go by without the six, which I highly doubt but it's true that most of them don't have much to focus on. Obviously Sun is going to be playing an important role but Hurley's institutionalized, and Jack's doing surgery whilst depressed neither of which gives a whole lot of material. Seeing Sayid kill people for Ben is also something that can't be too dragged out. The point is, most of the six don't have a whole lot going for them story wise off-island until after the events at the end of season 4. I guess season 5 could be the six after this point with flashes to the island from the day the six escaped leading up to this point, perhaps even culminating with the six getting back. Or do you think that last part will be saved for season 6?
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I'm really not sure when the Six are going back. If I had to guess I'd say the end of season 5 or the beginning of season 6, however. This still assuming that on island events will still generally be the core of the show as far as timeline goes, meaning that present day on the show will still always take place on the island. Though I can't say that's definite.
Also, I'm somewhat curious about whether or not Desmond, Frank, Aaron, and possibly Walt will all have to be brought back to the island with Jack, since Ben insisted that Locke should come back as well. I'm interested to see what Ben's requirements are for having to go back. And I expect that Ben's ulterior motives for going back to the island could very well be to get back Juliet, at least in part.
@Zerodrone: That's good news. I agree, the freighties are the most successful main characters save Ben, Desmond, and possibly Eko that have been introduced (with Ben being, in my opinion, probably the best character of the show now). Miles' trues motivation for wanting to stay on the island is possibly the thing I'm most curious about, and I'm wondering if Charlotte is connected to DHARMA, or something more interesting. Daniel has the most obvious hanging storyline with the whole time travel thing, as well. Frank is a good character, but he's not as interesting plotwise as the other three, but still, hopefully they give him just as good treatment as they gave less interesting characters like Ana-Lucia, Juliet, and even Nikki and Paulo.
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I seriously dislike Juliet. Maybe it's just the actress, but it's partially the way she's written. When she told Jin about Sun cheating on him, that was pretty much the end of my caring for her whatsoever. Her and Jack are probably the only characters since Ana-Lucia that I actually dislike.
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Jack is a character that's on an off for me. After season 1 he got pretty boring, and he was somewhat tiresome during season 1 as well. In season 3 I thought he started taking more interesting character turns again and the season 3 finale is probably my favorite finale of any season, and I think they handled Jack pretty much perfectly in terms of his established character in that episode and throughout season 4.
And I definitely agree on Juliet. The only thing that makes her interesting at all anymore is Ben's obsession with her.
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I dislike a lot of the show's characters. I despise Kate totally and completely. I have pretty much since the pilot. I also hated Anna Lucia while she was alive and I didn't like Sawyer for some time (although as I'm currently rewatching the series, I do rather like him through season 1). Jack is pretty frustrating most of the time too and Juliet is totally unlikeable (that Jin/Sun thing was awful!). That being said, I do like a bunch of characters. I liked Mr. Eko, Hurley is endearing, Sayid is awesome and bad-ass (breaking a guy's neck with your feet is beyond cool), Jin became great as a character, Ben is really mysterious and awesome and, of course, Locke is terrific (possibly my favorite character. I was so sad to see him in the coffin). The freighter crew is also definitely growing on me. I'm excited to see them become a more prominent part of the show.
Also, I'm somewhat curious about whether or not Desmond, Frank, Aaron, and possibly Walt will all have to be brought back to the island with Jack, since Ben insisted that Locke should come back as well. I'm interested to see what Ben's requirements are for having to go back. And I expect that Ben's ulterior motives for going back to the island could very well be to get back Juliet, at least in part.
I think it's likely that Aaron will have to go back and maybe Walt but I doubt Frank or Desmond will. The impression I got was the survivors of 815 that would have to return, not people who were already on the island/came later. Also, can Ben go back? He said the island wouldn't let whoever moved the island returned and I doubt he would lie about that. Maybe he'll find a way but if the island doesn't want something to happen, it won't happen.
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True, it's likely that he can't get back, but I fully expect that one of the main reasons for organizing the return even if it's not possible for him is to get to Juliet in some way again.
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Or Ben can go back if he's with the O6 and Locke. Perhaps Ben killed Locke, knowing that it would give Jack a good reason to join up with him and help convince everyone to go back.
Because Ben always has a plan.
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True, it's likely that he can't get back, but I fully expect that one of the main reasons for organizing the return even if it's not possible for him is to get to Juliet in some way again.
I'm not 100% convinced about that motive. It seems a little....shallow(?) for that to be Ben's motivation.
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Ben's motives over the past season have shifted to be more shallow and personal though. He not only let Goodwin die because of jealousy, but Juliet has warned Jack that Ben will kill him because of their blooming relationship. Also, he's now planning on killing Penny to avenge his own daughter, which is understandable enough but revenge is pretty selfish, especially in that situation. His competition with Widmore also seems driven by personal malice.
Basically I think that in this past season Ben has really been shown as a failed leader, and now his manipulative, masterful badassness has basically been turned to serve his own personal gains, especially since he seems largely finished with island concerns after moving it.
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So I finally watched the season finale last night. It was good, but after the last scene on the boat it felt really drawn out. That is, until the very last scene of the episode. That being said...
*breath*
GOD DAMN IT LOST I HATE YOU SO MUCH
WHY DO I KEEP WATCHING YOU
FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUU
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granted things could have been worse.
The could have cancelled it, like many of my favourite shows of late. [insert irate comment of us tv networks here]
Thankfully, we know there is an end (literally & figuratively) coming. but what that is is endlessly lost on me.
I enjoyed the season & the finale, definitely getting better from the first couple of seasons.
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Link contains spoiler:
Alternate season four endings: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OLPX26aWQZA
I predicted it was going to be the latter of the two before the show aired. I think they made the best choice.
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Note, those are not technically typical alternate endings. They're more along the lines of red herrings. Neither of those was intended to be used, they were just filmed to sew confusion and avoid legitimate spoilers.
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I just realized something. Since we now have two main characters with ties to the Hanso Foundation off the island (Sun now being a major part of Paik Heavy Industries and Desmond with his connections to the Widmore family) it seems we may finally see some of the material that's been the main area of interest in the Lost Experience in the actual show by way of them. I'm sure we're going to find out a lot more about Charles Widmore and the corporation at the center of all the conspiracies next season with characters like Sun, Desmond, and Ben.
Anyone think it's possible that Lost Experience characters may show up in the actual show at any point? I think it's unlikely, but if any of them are going to it'll more than likely be Alvar Hanso himself.
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Well, the infamous picture of Alvar was already shown in the Swan orientation video and a lot of stuff like the Black Rock's last voyage under Magnus Hanso, who was mentioned in the Swan island map, have been referenced, so I'm going to say it's safe to assume that the Hanso family will be mentioned more, but I doubt we'll see Rachel Blake or Mittlewerk or anyone of that sort.
However, ComicCon is probably going to be the start of a sequel to Lost Experience, according to the writers from last ComicCon and the commercials during the finale. So that'll be cool.
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Question: Is it far too late to get involved in the Lost experience? I have no idea what it's like or what it entails.
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The original Lost Experience ended two years ago. Look it up on Lostpedia to read the story and see the videos.
Whether or not the new ARG is a sequel is unconfirmed.
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The new ARG has begun if anyone cares.
Dharma wants you. (http://www.dharmawantsyou.com/)
Also, there was a new Dr. Marvin Candle video at Comic Con. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn_dNsaz-AA)