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Title: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 12 Jun 2007, 18:22
EDIT:  Since this topic has evolved into a posting place for guitars and the like, go ahead and show'em off!

Well, I finaly got a new guitar!  What kind you ask?  Why, a Fender Special Edition Koa Stratocaster of course!  It's a huge upgrade from my old Squier Strat, and it is certinly a huge improvement.  Its body is made of Alder with a Koa wood top (with 2-color sunburst), it has a rosewood fretboard, "Pearl" inlays and pick guard, a two-point floating tremolo, and some Seymour Duncan pickups all around $700!  Quite a steal.  The Unique combination of tone woods (Hawaiian Koa and Rosewood) gives it an incredible sound: It's bluesy and mellow, but also quite twangy and bright at the same time, and it has loads of tone and quite a nice sustain.  On top of all that, it's quite a beautiful guitar, observe:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_0213.jpg)

More Pictures:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_0212.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_0211.jpg

I am quite happy with my purchase.  It's hanging on a wall mount in my room now.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: jeph on 12 Jun 2007, 18:26
FANCY
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Johnny C on 12 Jun 2007, 18:27
It does look really nice.

One of these days I have to shell out for a better amp and a decent Tele.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: jeph on 12 Jun 2007, 18:43
Seymour Duncans will basically improve any non-vintage guitar where you'd be killing the value by swapping in new pickups, I've found.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: SilentJ on 12 Jun 2007, 19:40
I bought a new guitar a few weeks ago!

Observe:

(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4267/mahbabycf2.jpg)
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: celticgeek on 12 Jun 2007, 20:10
Definitely doubleplusultracool, Bearer.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: godinpants on 12 Jun 2007, 21:00
Man, you payed for all that sexy koa, then ruin it by covering it up with a huge pickguard.

Otherwise, nice guitar, i was thinking of buying one at when they came out.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: dennis on 12 Jun 2007, 21:37
Man, you payed for all that sexy koa, then ruin it by covering it up with a huge pickguard.

Otherwise, nice guitar, i was thinking of buying one at when they came out.
The pickguards are all that big. There are electronics underneath, you know.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: godinpants on 12 Jun 2007, 21:44
yeah i know, but if they did a decent routing job, like they used to you could take the pickguard off like so many bassists have done since jaco made it cool.
They even do it on the vintage modified fretless, if squire can do it, it cant be too much effort for fender to do it with the huge price gap there.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Jun 2007, 21:54
One of these days I have to shell out for a better amp and a decent Tele.

I'm getting an amp soon too.  I want a Telecaster as well.  Just a standard probably.  :|
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: MadassAlex on 13 Jun 2007, 04:56
That's really nice dude! The problem with Fenders however is that they usually have no balls! Grrrr!

I'm sure it's brilliant for your type of music however.

Also SilentJ did you really get that beatufil guitar?
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Misereatur on 13 Jun 2007, 05:46
Fender are really kicking it with the Sunburst lately. The new Highway 1 Jazz Bass models looks amazing with sunburst. They also have a Badass II bridge, and cost less then US$900 around here.  I bought my 2003 model for about US$1000 three years ago and I still love it.

My latest parches was a '93 MusicMan Stingray. Amazing bass.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: simplename9 on 13 Jun 2007, 06:04
Yeah well my guitar beats the shit out of that one.

(http://i.b5z.net/i/u/1530927/i/Guitar_Stand_GS1_-_MAPLE_-_WALNUT_-_front_300x400.jpg)

Air guitar all the way baby!!! YEAH!!!
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Bearer on 13 Jun 2007, 09:22
One of these days I have to shell out for a better amp and a decent Tele.

I'm getting an amp soon too.  I want a Telecaster as well.  Just a standard probably.  :|
Fender actually makes a Telecaster model of the one I got.  It looks just as good and it's about the same price

Koa Series @ Samash:
     Strat Model (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=53315)
     Tele Model (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=53314)
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Kai on 13 Jun 2007, 09:57
The problem with Fenders however is that they usually have no balls! Grrrr!


dude what does this even meannnnnnnnn
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: jeph on 13 Jun 2007, 10:25
yeah i know, but if they did a decent routing job, like they used to you could take the pickguard off like so many bassists have done since jaco made it cool.
They even do it on the vintage modified fretless, if squire can do it, it cant be too much effort for fender to do it with the huge price gap there.

Dogg you have never been able to do that with Strats, they are not built like a Jazz bass.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jun 2007, 14:04
One of these days I have to shell out for a better amp and a decent Tele.

I'm getting an amp soon too.  I want a Telecaster as well.  Just a standard probably.  :|
Fender actually makes a Telecaster model of the one I got.  It looks just as good and it's about the same price

Koa Series @ Samash:
     Strat Model (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=53315)
     Tele Model (http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?itemid=53314)

That's pretty sexy.  I'm not a huge fan of the sunburst though.  But hey, if it sounds good, then who cares about the finish?

EDIT- I like the Lite Ash Telecaster as well.  It's cheaper, and has Seymour Duncans, but the body is ash with a birdeye maple neck.  Plus, I love guitars with natural finishes.  I'm just wondering how both guitars would fare playing anything from hardcore to indie.  I know they're Telecasters, so I'm hoping they'll be just fine.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Bearer on 13 Jun 2007, 14:54
I like the Lite Ash Telecaster as well.  It's cheaper, and has Seymour Duncans, but the body is ash with a birdeye maple neck.  Plus, I love guitars with natural finishes.  I'm just wondering how both guitars would fare playing anything from hardcore to indie.  I know they're Telecasters, so I'm hoping they'll be just fine.

I'd go down to a local guitar shop and try both out, and if they don't have both in at once they might be able to order one/both for you to test.  Most places should do that, the George's Music down by my place does anyway.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jun 2007, 15:49
What about, just buying a standard Telecaster, then swapping the pickups out?
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: SilentJ on 13 Jun 2007, 16:48
Also SilentJ did you really get that beatufil guitar?

Indeed I did!  I am playing it now actually.
It is an Epiphone, not a Gibson.  I actually like Epis, they sound like the Gibsons do but play like a Fender.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: öde on 13 Jun 2007, 17:04
I have a cheap Les Paul replica. I just took the pickguard off and it looks so much more sexy.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jun 2007, 18:11
I think im getting an epi les paul over the summer. Depends on the new goodies from eastwood and squiers ever-expanding vintage modified line. The hss strat and thinline tele are both nice.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Blue Kitty on 13 Jun 2007, 19:39
here is the guitar I bought a week ago, my first bass guitar/guitar of any kind:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a372/The_Blue_Kitty/myguitar.jpg)
I think is G&L and it only cost me $199.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Jackie Blue on 13 Jun 2007, 19:53
I like old guitars.  I'll stick with my Danelectro and Silvertone.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jun 2007, 20:52
My fingers are too long and frail for playing bass.  I have piano hands.   :cry:
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Chad K. on 13 Jun 2007, 21:50
Nope, not a G&L. It's a Samick Corsair.  Samick is the maker of just about every Korean guitar (Fender, Epi, etc.).  Not a bad little starter, though.  The necks are small and the string action is good, which is the most important thing for a budding bassist.  As for the strat that started this thread, looks pretty nice.  I'm not a huge Strat guy, but that is definitely one of the prettier ones I've seen.  The "no balls" rap they get is just people talking. As has been stated on these boards before, a guitar is a tool to be used for making art. Just as an artist chooses an appropriate paint brush or paints for a desired effect when painting, a musician must choose the instruments that fit her or his desired tone.  Congrats on your purchase!
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: MadassAlex on 14 Jun 2007, 00:51
Indeed I did!  I am playing it now actually.
It is an Epiphone, not a Gibson.  I actually like Epis, they sound like the Gibsons do but play like a Fender.

I love my teacher's Epi. It plays so well and sounds great.

Epi have put out some huge shit but their mid to high range makes up for it so hard.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: thenosebleedkid on 14 Jun 2007, 05:27
Solid guitars, I'm picking up a strat soon, currently I rock this;

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/mainmanmazz/Bass%20gear/DSCN0758.jpg)

and when I have time from rigorous bass practise this;

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y289/mainmanmazz/Guitar%20gear/forfeli001.jpg)
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Jun 2007, 07:16
You got a Strat?

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

That is to say, I'm not a fan of Strats personally. I'm more of a Tele man. My most recent purchase was indeed, my dream guitar:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/TeleC04.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/TeleC03.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/DynamiteKid156/Sigs/TeleC02.jpg)
#72 custom Tele reissue. My pride and joy.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Kai on 14 Jun 2007, 07:20
I like old guitars.  I'll stick with my Danelectro and Silvertone.


My first guitar was a Danelectro. I loves it lots. Although most of the time I am playing a strat.


and I really just want a tele.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 14 Jun 2007, 10:27
Once I have the scratch, I'd like to get either one of these (http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/leone/leone_frm.htm), or an Epiphone Casino.  Basically I just want a nice semi-hollowbody with P-90s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 14 Jun 2007, 11:06
It seems that this topic has evolved some, no?  haha

Anyway, you guys have some great looking guitars and basses, I especially like your Tele DynamiteKid.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Jun 2007, 12:10
I, prog dork..

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/Foto38.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 14 Jun 2007, 12:27
Is that an Ibanez?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Jun 2007, 12:34
Yep.

S7420, one of the older Prestige models, from around 2000.

It has been stripped of the craptacular Black Pearl finish and given an oild rub, and the bridge pickup has been changed to a DiMarzio X2N. It fuckin' slays.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: Misereatur on 14 Jun 2007, 13:52
Part of why i can play it fast with tiny fingers is the really-smooth neck, and the neck's size (it's a little thicker than a J bass's neck). I got it used last summer, and god do i love it.

After playing my Jazz Bass for three years I never thought I'd get used to the thick Stingray neck. I was seriously wrong, it's the most comfortable thing I have ever played on.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Jun 2007, 17:41
I am going to destroy this thread when I remember to bring my camera to the office.

I have way too many really nice guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Jun 2007, 17:56
You can give me the prs if you want..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Jun 2007, 17:58
Which one?

Also, no.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 14 Jun 2007, 19:32
Yep.

S7420, one of the older Prestige models, from around 2000.

It has been stripped of the craptacular Black Pearl finish and given an oild rub, and the bridge pickup has been changed to a DiMarzio X2N. It fuckin' slays.

Nice, looks like it's a seven string too.  FOR PLAYING OF THE METALS, RIGHT?  \m/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 14 Jun 2007, 22:15
I, prog dork..

My Ibanez is kind of lame in comparison to that:
(http://www.guitarvillage.com/Solids/Ibanez/ibanez-rg350ex-black_m.jpg)

It plays nice and with upgraded pickups it sounds great, too. Still, I am missing a seventh string that I need to jam out on Dream Theater. Still, a solid guitar but once I get a nice amp I'll save up for something a bit more mind-blowing to fully take advantage of said amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 14 Jun 2007, 22:51
I am going to destroy this thread when I remember to bring my camera to the office.

I have way too many really nice guitars.

Not if i destroy it first?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/grommit/lafamillia.jpg)
For everybody who didnt see it in my making music and looking cool thread which will be updated this afternoon.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: thenosebleedkid on 15 Jun 2007, 00:43
Nice elrick.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 15 Jun 2007, 01:39
It's actually a cort, elrick licensed the design to them.

Unfortunately real elricks are right out of my price range.
But, my rick remains my baby.

Also, lummer, i know this is a problem on 5 string basses alot, but that could just be because of the huge guage difference, but is there a problem of floppy b strings on 7's?

On the same sort of topic, has anyone else seen the new joins on the neck through ibanez's?
So sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Jun 2007, 08:49

Also, lummer, i know this is a problem on 5 string basses alot, but that could just be because of the huge guage difference, but is there a problem of floppy b strings on 7's?

On the same sort of topic, has anyone else seen the new joins on the neck through ibanez's?
So sexy.

1) That depends. I don't have that problem with either my RG7321 or the S7420. It's just a matter of having it set up correctly. Also, I use a .60 gauge string for the low b, so that also helps. I know dudes who use .68 or .70 though, also for B.
There are a few seven strings on the market, with a 24,75" scale, where I am quite sure there'll be some floppiness going on, but those guitars have long since gone out of production. Epiphone made a Goth LP and a V as seven strings, and I've heard they rock.
Again, a matter of setup. I have a pretty brutal picking attack, and until I really learned to set up guitars, I was buzzing all over the place on my sixes even, if I used thin-gauge strings.

And 2) I'm not sure I've seen it. I tried their new VBT700 some time ago, and that axe as a whole was teh sex. A LOT of their new 2007 models are teh sex, in fact.

Speaking of teh sex:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/DSC00074.jpg)

I <3 this thing.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Misereatur on 15 Jun 2007, 11:04
It is picture time

(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2/ffgtthttghyujjfdss/bass004.jpg)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jun 2007, 10:32
Wow, my guitars suck in comparision.

Behold:

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa100/xholycrapitsmattx/guitarzyayayayayay.jpg)

Kind of blurry.  :|
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 16 Jun 2007, 13:44
When you own a Strat, it sucks in comparison to ANYTHING bro!

Nah, I joke, I just don't like 'em.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 16 Jun 2007, 17:33
When you own a Strat, it sucks in comparison to ANYTHING bro!

Nah, I joke, I just don't like 'em.

You're still right though..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jun 2007, 21:59
Apparently, you can pick up really cool things with single coil pickups...(I'm struggling to find pros for owning a Strat).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: negative creep on 17 Jun 2007, 06:04
i posted this before, but:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/todesfuesch/newguitar.jpg)
jaguar + humbuckers = <3

my other guitar:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/todesfuesch/git001.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/todesfuesch/git002.jpg)

also: dynamitekid: i love your guitar. i want it!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 Jun 2007, 10:41
I want yours.  That pick guard is sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 17 Jun 2007, 10:59
negative_creep, I'll be robbing your house now kthx.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 17 Jun 2007, 11:22
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/todesfuesch/newguitar.jpg)
also: dynamitekid: i love your guitar. i want it!

I was going to say the same thing to you.

Though I'd probably want a different colour.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 12 Jul 2007, 14:39
I done gots me a spankin' new guit-fiddle!

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/DSC00101.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/DSC00100.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/DSC00103.jpg)


(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/DSC00105.jpg)


(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/DSC00106.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 12 Jul 2007, 15:37
That is actually really nice. How much it set you back?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 12 Jul 2007, 15:48
Pretty much nothing, really.. It was a discontinued model, so I got at 2/5 of the original price. It is completely new, mind you :D

It set me back about 200£, which is a bargain considering how awesome it is. The sound is great, and it plays just as nice as my Gibson.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Jul 2007, 00:35
In a week's time, I'll be the owner of a shiny new Hagstrom Viking Deluxe.

(http://www.gbase.com/files/store_images/296/1571035/Photo3_bef0d.jpg)

This in Cherry Red.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 13 Jul 2007, 07:20
I done gots me a spankin' new guit-fiddle!

When did esp start making nice guitars?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lazer on 13 Jul 2007, 12:17
Far from high quality, but I'm poor so I rock out with a Jackson Stealth (lolz) and a Strat. Pardon my crappy camera flash.

(http://lazer.neonninja.net/Images/jackson.jpg) (http://lazer.neonninja.net/Images/strat.jpg)

Funny thing about the Jackson is that it's a guitar for lefty's, so I have it strung right handed and I play it upside down, which in turn makes it a pain in the ass to keep in tune and what not so I just usually stick with the Strat. Whoo boy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 13 Jul 2007, 13:44
Pretty much nothing, really.. It was a discontinued model, so I got at 2/5 of the original price. It is completely new, mind you :D

It set me back about 200£, which is a bargain considering how awesome it is. The sound is great, and it plays just as nice as my Gibson.

You got that for only £200??? Jesus! I so want one!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Jul 2007, 14:04
Pretty much nothing, really.. It was a discontinued model, so I got at 2/5 of the original price. It is completely new, mind you :D

It set me back about 200£, which is a bargain considering how awesome it is. The sound is great, and it plays just as nice as my Gibson.

You got that for only £200??? Jesus! I so want one!

I doubt you can find one new for that price. It was on a clearance sale of discontinued models, and I snagged the last one in the country :P That is only Denmark, of course. They also had Dave Mustaine signature models for below half price.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 13 Jul 2007, 21:21
1973 Telecaster Custom

i bought it used with case in 1984 for $350 and have since modded it to the point of no longer being a collector's item.

which is fine, since i bought it to play and not as an investment.

back then 70s Fenders were considered crap canoe paddles.

(http://www.timeoven.com/CRAM/gearpix/6-23-07/Tele01_600.JPG)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Jul 2007, 04:59
So me not getting that 72 mustang was a good thing?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Jul 2007, 05:44
That's pretty nice, actually. But then my previous post shows that I do prefer the '72.
Title: Re: My New Guitar!
Post by: rhinohelicopter on 04 Aug 2007, 23:27
here is the guitar I bought a week ago, my first bass guitar/guitar of any kind:

(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a372/The_Blue_Kitty/myguitar.jpg)
I think is G&L and it only cost me $199.

This is a Samik.  Even a G&L Tribute (Like Squire by Fender) will run you around $400.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: rhinohelicopter on 04 Aug 2007, 23:33
I want a '69 Fender Tele Thinline. But alas I have not the $700 for the guitar or the $900 for the amp I want (Peavy Classic 50 2x12).  So I wait.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Oct 2007, 13:00
I played this guitar (http://www.schecterguitars.com/index.asp) at a music shop.  I pretty much fell in love with it.  But I want a good set up.  Something like, this guitar, with a good fuzz pedal, through a tube amp or stack.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Oct 2007, 14:40
What's your budget?

Also you linked to the main Schecter page. Which guitar was it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: oblivion on 09 Oct 2007, 15:11
My arse-anal (not bothering w/ pics since they all look like guitars) consists of:

Peavey T-15 electric I got for my 10th birthday (that was 1984, kids).
Yamahammer mid-grade 12-string acoustic.
Ibanez RG-560 in glittery red.
Ibanez somethingorother 6-string acoustic.

There might be some of the guitars in these pics of my assorted gear: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=89453473%40N00&q=studio&m=tags

EDIT:
Forgot to mention my Crate TD-50C amp - the C is for "Chorus".  Neeto.

I don't have much in the way of pedals - I've to an old, sickly Digitech RP-1 that sometimes needs a whacking when it flakes out.  I've also got a DOD Stereo Flanger.  I love me some flange.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Oct 2007, 15:15
What's your budget?

Also you linked to the main Schecter page. Which guitar was it?

Aw, damnit.  The site is built in Flash, so now matter where I link it to, it'll send you to the homepage.  Anyways, it was the S-1 IVY.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 09 Oct 2007, 15:17
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/TehLetterM/36b53d11.jpg)

A red 1980 Fender Lead II. Yes, I am a Mission of Burma fan. Has held up better than my old POS squier strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 09 Oct 2007, 19:54
That guitar is tasty looking.  I want an original Danelectro, but it would be waste of money cuz I suck at guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Oct 2007, 21:27
Lies, greenMonkey!

If you can afford it, or save up for it in a reasonable amount of time, get it. You're just making an excuse why not to get a beautiful instrument.

It's so much nicer and more fun playing a gorgeous sounding and looking guitar that you'll be inspired to do it justice. And practicing to do so on it is the best way to go.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 10 Oct 2007, 11:08
I placed a deposit on a mandolin and an order for a lap steel last friday. This friday I'm getting my f'ing mandolin.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 10 Oct 2007, 14:02
I currently own a Fender '72 Telecaster Deluxe. I don't have any pictures of it right now, but I'll be sure to upload some as soon as I possibly can. Here's a stock photo until then:

(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/1558/604444iu6.jpg)

Mine doesn't have the tremolo bar, though. I really wish it did. :(
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Oct 2007, 15:12
Nice axe, Tehz.

Try something like this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-American-Standard-Strat-Tremolo-System?sku=361263).

That probably doesn't fit since you have a Tele but yeah, you can get a trem bridge for 100-150 bucks (including installation).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Phaedra on 10 Oct 2007, 19:49
Time for me to hijack the thread somewhat. I'm considering learning to play the bass (even though I can't really afford lessons; I'll have to coerce some friends into teaching me, ehehe...), does anybody have any recommendations for a good model to start learning on? I don't want to buy a piece of crap that I'll hate a few years down the track (and furthermore won't be able to sell if I realise that I have no musical aptitude), so I'd be happy to spend a fair bit on one, though I don't want to exceed around 600-700 USD if it can be helped. Suggestions plz?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Oct 2007, 20:02
Fender makes some really nice basses.  Their amps are fairly nice too.  I'd also say you might want to look into a Behringer amp.  My friend Ryan has one that was pretty cheap and sounds pretty good.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Oct 2007, 20:30
Well, you're certainly better off than most people who start out. $600-700 will get you a great instrument.

If you want a tried-and-true bass that's been used by almost everyone, go for a Fender Jazz Bass (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Standard-Jazz-Bass?sku=516042).

A great bass will sound like crap through a bad amp, but a crap bass will sound decent through a great amp. So I suggest spending as much as you can on one. Now, I'm a guitar tech nerd, but I don't know very much about bass amps. I've heard a lot that it's better to get your head and cab separate, rather than get a combo (in plain English, there are two parts of your amp: the head, and the cabinet. The head is the amplifier, and the cabinet is the speaker. If you've ever had a stereo system, it works the same way. A combo amp contains both parts in one box. At your price range, though, these parts are usually of lower quality than if you get them separately).

Go for something like this Gallien-Krueger half-stack (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/GallienKrueger-Brat-Pack-HalfStack-Bass-Amp-Package?sku=482546).

Most importantly, go to a store and pick up a bass. Play it. Make sure it feels comfortable and you like it. Never order instruments online if you can help it (I'm just using links as a reference). Also, local shops are better than chains like Guitar Center and Sam Ash. Local music store employees typically aren't on comission, know a lot more, love what they do, and are willing to spend time with you and find what's best for you. Employees at large warehouse stores get paid for each sale they make, and will sell you second-rate equipment and send you on your way.

Good luck! Hope you love it.

P.S. Talk to Sam; he is the badass bassist around here.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: cheesepie on 10 Oct 2007, 23:25
(http://www.taylorguitars.com/Guitars/Shared/Images/Models/714ce-5.jpg)

This is the guitar that I have. Taylor 714-CE. I love it like I love my life
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 11 Oct 2007, 10:12
Time for me to hijack the thread somewhat. I'm considering learning to play the bass (even though I can't really afford lessons; I'll have to coerce some friends into teaching me, ehehe...), does anybody have any recommendations for a good model to start learning on? I don't want to buy a piece of crap that I'll hate a few years down the track (and furthermore won't be able to sell if I realise that I have no musical aptitude), so I'd be happy to spend a fair bit on one, though I don't want to exceed around 600-700 USD if it can be helped. Suggestions plz?

Since I'm self taught and mostly organic about getting the sound I want out of something, I can't help you much as far as what bass to buy, but I know that that budget will get you the good shit, even if it includes your amp.

My one piece of advice is this:

Don't take shit from guitarists who think bass is just guitar for retards with two less fingers for two less strings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 11 Oct 2007, 11:33
The best advice on buying a bass is to find a friend who can teach you just how to hold down the strings with your left hand and how to pluck with your right hand.  This shouldn't take long- we're talking 10 minutes to a half an hour, just to get the feel of the instrument.  Once you've done this, go to a bunch of music stores and play a bunch of basses and see what you like. 

On to specifics-

Bass- The key here is string action.  By string action I mean, are the strings close to the neck and easy to hold down? If you haven't been playing for a long time, you probably  haven't developed those muscles necessary to really hold down the strings.  Buying a bass with good string action makes it easier to play, and consequently, quicker to learn.  Bargain basses with good string action are certainly available- try yamaha, ibanez, squier, fender (mexico), cort, peavey, there are a host of others.

Once you've determined the bass has good string action, play around on different parts of the neck.  Bass necks can vary widely in their shape and thickness.  You may find it more comfortable to play on a tapered-flatter neck, or a fatter C-shaped neck, etc.  I tend to like my strings set very low on a neck that is a little fatter (I'm more of a Fender guy).  There was a time, however, when I only played low profile ibanez-style necks. 

After that, check the tone.  This is a little more variable depending on the amp.  I suggest using a similar amp at similar settings for every bass you try.  Just about every store will have one of those ampeg 1x15 cubes.  It sounds dumb, but set everything flat (all EQ knobs at 5) and try to dial a tone with the bass's volume and tone knob.  A word of advice- if you think you only want to play with a pick, try playing with your fingers as well.  You may change your mind depending on the style of music.  You can play metal, punk, etc, with your fingers, it's rare to find good tone playing jazz or blues with a pick. 

Last, check the looks.  Although this is initially what draws most people to a bass, remember that actually being able to play and liking what you hear is key.  It's not uncommon for a good looking bass to be unplayable to a particular player (Rics always feel super awkward to me, so I don't play them, although they look cool as hell).  Given the plethora of available basses, this shouldn't be a problem.  Don't neglect the used section, it can afford the best value, and you will eventually put a nick in your shiny new bass.

Amp-  The key here is to find something that sounds relatively good and is loud enough to get over a drumset and a guitar. Don't buy one of those little rinky-dink 15 watt amps.  You'll just end up buying another amp shortly, because eventually you'll want to play with other people.  There are numerous configurations you can go with here, but for your experience level a combo, where the amplifier and speakers are joined in one unit, would make the most sense.  Combos have gotten really powerful in recent years, and they've gotten really good at tuning the cabs for a more full sound.  At a bare minimum, I would say shoot for the 100-150 watt range.  Keep in mind, this will still be quiet if your drummer turns out to be a basher.

With amps it's the same principle as picking a bass.  Play lots of them.  You may prefer the added attack of a 2x10 combo over the rumble of a 1x15 or vice versa.  You might like something with the growl of a tube preamp, etc.  Try ampeg, fender, behringer, ashdown, gallien-krueger, SWR, fender, etc..

Overall, I think the best thing you can do is buy things that sound versatile.  After that, play with as many different people as you possible can.  Jazz, blues, metal, rock, folk, it doesn't matter.  Just make sure they are better than you.  Trying to keep up is how you get better.

Best of luck!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Oct 2007, 12:40
Try ampeg, fender, behringer, ashdown, gallien-krueger, SWR, fender, etc..

Are you implying something sir?  :]
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 11 Oct 2007, 13:13
Try ampeg, fender, behringer, ashdown, gallien-krueger, SWR, fender, etc..

Are you implying something sir?  :]

That I'm haphazard with my posts?

Actually, I'm not huge on fender for bass amps.  I love the guitar amps, though.  I recently bought a Behringer 4210 combo for my bass.   I had been wanting to downsize for some time, but never dreamed I'd buy a Behringer.  It was a surprisingly nice sounding amp for almost no money. I put in some Emenince 10s in to replace the crappy Bugeras, and did away with my huge Ampeg fullstack.  400 watts, tube preamp, full eq, and a balanced DI for less than $400.  Amazing.

Just to add to the cool picture post- I just ordered this '81 Ibanez Roadstar refin with original old school DiMarzios -

(http://www.diamondstrings.com/ibanez%20roadstar%20nat-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Phaedra on 12 Oct 2007, 06:42
Thanks for the advice, everyone that replied to me.  :-D You've been very helpful. (I didn't even know bassists used picks! Ya learn somethin' new every day..)

I have to admit I'm a bit nervous about hitting a store and trying their models out. Seeing as I'm a noob, and that this will be obvious to anyone that looks at me (I can hold a guitar, and maybe play the first 10 seconds of a Smashing Pumpkins song, but that's the limit of my knowledge) I'm worried about the reactions the shopkeepers might have. Namely that they'll hassle me to buy something lame or something out of my price range.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Oct 2007, 06:56
I bought a brand new Gibson Faded SG Special exactly one month ago. The headstock broke today. She is one month old and already dead.

The moral of the story is WHAT THE FUCK THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN GUYS
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 12 Oct 2007, 08:46
Oh dear god no  :cry:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 12 Oct 2007, 08:47
That is a tragedy of monstrous proportions.

On the other hand, you'll probably meet your future wife when you're looking for a new one.  That's the only way I can imagine the karma balancing out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 12 Oct 2007, 09:01
I bought a brand new Gibson Faded SG Special exactly one month ago. The headstock broke today. She is one month old and already dead.

The moral of the story is WHAT THE FUCK THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN GUYS

Oh my. *hugs*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Misereatur on 12 Oct 2007, 09:46
I recently bought a Behringer 4210 combo for my bass.   I had been wanting to downsize for some time, but never dreamed I'd buy a Behringer.  It was a surprisingly nice sounding amp for almost no money. 

So did it stop working yet? Give it a few days.

I have to admit I'm a bit nervous about hitting a store and trying their models out. Seeing as I'm a noob, and that this will be obvious to anyone that looks at me (I can hold a guitar, and maybe play the first 10 seconds of a Smashing Pumpkins song, but that's the limit of my knowledge) I'm worried about the reactions the shopkeepers might have. Namely that they'll hassle me to buy something lame or something out of my price range.

Don't be. Fuck music shop workers. Seriously.

Also
I didn't even know bassists used picks!

That's because we don't.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Oct 2007, 09:59
I bought a brand new Gibson Faded SG Special exactly one month ago. The headstock broke today. She is one month old and already dead.

The moral of the story is WHAT THE FUCK THAT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN GUYS

Oh dear...I'm...I don't know what to say...I'm sorry, man...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 12 Oct 2007, 10:03
The bad news- you broke your guitar.  The good news- Gibson-style headstocks are easier to repair than any other because of their "paddle" shape,  provided you saved the pieces, and the thing just cracked through, instead of being smashed to smithereens.  If that's the case, you can generally do the fix at home, or most repair shops will do it for about $100 without a refinish.  It's basically just a glue job with some clamps. This is all provided the crack is in the head stock, and not where the headstock meets the neck joint.  If it is, it's still reapairable, but they have dig out channels and inlay some strips of wood to reinforce the headstock, which can be a little pricier.  

Many, many Gibsons snap at the headstock because of the angle at which they are set.  Many, many Gibsons are repaired after the break and never have problems again.  Just type in "Gibson SG headstock crack" in google and you'll see tons of them.  
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 12 Oct 2007, 10:25
I recently bought a Behringer 4210 combo for my bass.   I had been wanting to downsize for some time, but never dreamed I'd buy a Behringer.  It was a surprisingly nice sounding amp for almost no money. 

So did it stop working yet? Give it a few days.
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Actually, by "recently" I mean about a year and a half ago- and its running strong as can be.  The speakers sucked, and I took it to a shop to have it professionally braced, but other than that it's fine.  I've played with several other bassists who use the stand alone head that's in my model and they love love it.  Sound guys and the engineer on my last recording loved the balanced DI, although I usually ask to be mic'd as well, and in smaller clubs I have enough power to get over the band and audience. While they're not the most consistent company in the world, they can occasionally make a good product, and this is one.


I didn't even know bassists used picks!

That's because we don't.
[/quote]

I am personally not a fan of the pick at all, but i wouldn't tell anyone they are doing something improper by using one.   In bands like Shiner and the Jesus Lizard, the attack that is created with a pick works for the sound they're going for.  If you are experienced, however, you can get that same sound with your fingers just by altering your hand position and how hard you play. The real drawback to a pick is that you give up a lot of the versatility that playing with your fingers provides. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Misereatur on 12 Oct 2007, 10:53
I actually agree with you on the pick thing. That was just a personal joke.

As for amps, I might be buying a little Mark Bass amp soon and getting rid of my Fender amp. About time, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Oct 2007, 13:51
Many, many Gibsons snap at the headstock because of the angle at which they are set.  Many, many Gibsons are repaired after the break and never have problems again.  Just type in "Gibson SG headstock crack" in google and you'll see tons of them.  

Hm, that's good information to have. Maybe the next time I buy a Gibson (unlikely, at this rate) then I'll just *intentionally break that shit* and have it repaired and it'll never be dickish again.

EDIT: Fuck, it's at the head-to-neck transition area... thank GOD this is still under warranty. They might as well replace it. Wish I could keep the pickups though...

And thanks for the well wishes, you guys. I'm not in the best state right now. That was ALL my money from this summer and I am really upset about it, so thanks.

EDIT EDIT: fuck no more booze, that took too long to type
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 12 Oct 2007, 15:06
Shit dude, my condolences. But yeah I've seen a fair bit of Gibsons snap at the headstock, and it's totally fixable.

(Though getting it replaced would prolly be nicer)

Phaedra, just go to the right shop. As I said before, large warehouse music chains (Sam Ash, Guitar Center) pay by commission, so the employees won't care nearly as much that you get the instrument that's right for you. They'll try to sell you something expensive, and if you say no, they'll sell you some cheap crap. They're also intimidating places to try things out if you're new to your instrument, 'cause you'll have 6 or 7 people around you shredding and playing Stairway To Heaven (what's the bass equivalent??).

So check out your local music shop- they're really nice about you trying everything out, even if it takes an hour or two for you to find the right instrument. They'll set your bass up for you (make sure it's properly stringed, action [the distance between the strings and the fretboard. If you're new, you want the action lower because you haven't built up the finger strength needed to press the strings down hard yet] suits you, it's in tune) and sign off on everything before you go home so you don't wind up with a ton of expensive crap.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 12 Oct 2007, 15:07
Try ampeg, fender, behringer, ashdown, gallien-krueger, SWR, fender, etc..

Are you implying something sir?  :]

That I'm haphazard with my posts?

Actually, I'm not huge on fender for bass amps.  I love the guitar amps, though.  I recently bought a Behringer 4210 combo for my bass.   I had been wanting to downsize for some time, but never dreamed I'd buy a Behringer.  It was a surprisingly nice sounding amp for almost no money. I put in some Emenince 10s in to replace the crappy Bugeras, and did away with my huge Ampeg fullstack.  400 watts, tube preamp, full eq, and a balanced DI for less than $400.  Amazing.

Just to add to the cool picture post- I just ordered this '81 Ibanez Roadstar refin with original old school DiMarzios -

(http://www.diamondstrings.com/ibanez%20roadstar%20nat-1.jpg)

What a fabulous specimen.

How much did he cost you? Do they have him in ginger? I could put him to work in my garden.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 12 Oct 2007, 17:13
"What a fabulous specimen.  How much did he cost you? Do they have him in ginger? I could put him to work in my garden."

Yeah, they would only sell the bass, not the child labor.  I found out when I asked the shop owner to poke holes in the shipping box.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Oct 2007, 12:58
...good news, guys, for both me and all of you. Their customer service department is all kinds of accomodating. They said as soon as I get back to the U.S. (December) I can call their 800 number and talk to them about getting my shit replaced.

<3 <3 <3, you guys.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: muteKi on 13 Oct 2007, 20:51
Phaedra, just go to the right shop. As I said before, large warehouse music chains (Sam Ash, Guitar Center) pay by commission, so the employees won't care nearly as much that you get the instrument that's right for you. They'll try to sell you something expensive, and if you say no, they'll sell you some cheap crap. They're also intimidating places to try things out if you're new to your instrument, 'cause you'll have 6 or 7 people around you shredding and playing Stairway To Heaven (what's the bass equivalent??).

I have a lick that's based on the special stage theme from Sonic 2 (yes, I'm a nerd) that I like to play when it comes to stuff like bass shredding.
UPTEMPO JAZZ FTW
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Phaedra on 23 Oct 2007, 20:38
Thanks again for all the advice, people. :-D
But sadly it seems my plans for learning bass will have to be put on hold indefinitely, thanks to screwing my wrist up. Le sigh...

KimJong, glad to hear it. Hope all goes well with it in December!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 23 Oct 2007, 21:39
No way, I think it'd be a great form of physical therapy. And easy to motivate yourself with. Build up the strength in your wrist and fingers while rokking out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 24 Oct 2007, 04:38
I'm considering a new guitar, honestly.

What should it be, a new Gibson, or a nice seven-string?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Oct 2007, 04:50
I did some research and it turns out that headstock breaks like mine are about as common on Gibson guitars as fleas on cougars, so be prepared for it if you get one and register for your warranty as soon as you get the guitar home.

Otherwise, they're brilliant guitars. They sound incredible, they look good, they age nicely (although a beat-up Gibson isn't as good-looking as a beat-up Fender), and if you're getting a semi-hollow, you are GOING to get gorgeous feedback.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 24 Oct 2007, 04:58
Since i said I was considering ANOTHER guitar, I know full well they're brilliant guitars ;)

It's just which one I should choose :/ That's the hard part.

I do own a semi-hollow, but I don't use feedback at all. Maybe for a bit of sustain during solos, but that's it. My style doesn't need it, otherwise. With that said, my Les Paul sustains for days without the feedback anyways, so I'll be fine ;)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 24 Oct 2007, 05:17
Lummer,
I think it's about time, that you kicked it up yet another notch.
http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=RG2228 (http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=RG2228)

Sure it's pretty ugly, but imagine the added metal cred.

On second thoughts, if you wanted to add some interesting sounds to your set up, look into a guitar synth pickup.
And some form of synth module.
Imagine having some dirty electro lead doubling your guitar line.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Oct 2007, 05:21
What's your style? I may/may not bet able to help you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 24 Oct 2007, 07:17
My style for my band, is a sort of southern boogie-rock/blues/slugde-metal thing. So as a result of that, a Gibson is the way to go.

Other than that, I am also considering either an Ibanez RG1527, a used RG7620 or maybe even a Schecter.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Oct 2007, 14:38
Gibson definitely fits that whole thing very well, especially the blues and sludge metal parts. For bonus blues justice, I'd say something with P-90s, and don't be too stingy on the distortion and treble/mids on your amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 25 Oct 2007, 09:26
I did some research and it turns out that headstock breaks like mine are about as common on Gibson guitars as fleas on cougars, so be prepared for it if you get one and register for your warranty as soon as you get the guitar home.

And I must point out here...

I DID TELL HIM THIS AT THE TIME.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 25 Oct 2007, 12:17
Hush, you. Now I have to go make my retort-post useful, thanks! ;)

I am a pretty big fan of the "get a shitty Ibanez acoustic, fix up the bridge for proper intonation, and mount a humbucker on it" idea. Of course, you have to get a soundhole cover to prevent (or at least dampen) ear-raping feedback, but meh, details.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: anditsdiscontents on 26 Oct 2007, 07:24

Secondhand Spector NS-4. AU$650 from The Bass Player, Annandale, Sydney.


(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v78/243/86/590220495/n590220495_61633_330.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Phaedra on 26 Oct 2007, 21:21
For anyone vaguely interested in my quest to learn the bass, I'm having an ultrasound on my wrist next week so hopefully I'll find out what's wrong with the damn thing.
In the meantime, I spent yesterday sussing out a few music stores around here. Good lord, music shop workers are a weird breed...Most of them seemed to take the request for advice as an opportunity to show off their own playing skills, and one of them was hellbent on selling me a Squier, for some reason, even after I'd expressed some doubt at this suggestion.
I think I have my heart set on a Fender Jazz...but this thing was kind of sexy-lookin', too: http://www.therockinn.com/inventory.cfm?Cat_ID=6&Man_ID=5&Inv_ID=145
No idea how it plays, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 26 Oct 2007, 21:32
Hehe, Beatle bass.

I'd tell you to go for a Hofner (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Hofner-Icon-Series-Vintage-Bass?sku=511788) if you're getting one of these, but they're all priced out the ass except the one linked, which is too cheap to play well. (Hofner was the company that made the original Beatle basses)

I'd say a Jazz is a pretty good selection.

Good luck with your ultrasound. Hope you get to play soon.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: thestyxcrossing on 27 Oct 2007, 00:42
Right now I'm playing an Epiphone G-400, cherry finish. I'm still fairly new to the instrument but I've gotten to the point where I wanna start refining my sound, and I'm guessing my first step would be to invest in something more than a 15watt tube practice amp...and I'd like to start looking into pedals. It just sucks cuz I really don't know much about amps and pedals, or at least not enough to know what I'm looking for. Any ideas guys?

I like to think my style is kind of folky/classic rock inspired indie...if you can imagine that. Sort of...Shins meets Portugal. The Man...? Or Zep meets Modest Mouse? I'm not quite sure how to describe it...I like playing clean but I like to distort at points to add that cutting force, never too extremely though. I guess basically I want a sound that sounds clean and classic, but leaves room for those times where I want to shred.

Any suggestions of what I should be looking for as far as amps and pedals go?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 27 Oct 2007, 07:43
Amp - Fender Deluxe Reverb. Hands down. Start saving up.

For distortion, just get a RAT. It's the only pedal you'll need.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Oct 2007, 07:50
Right now I'm using a Marshall Guv'nor 2 and an E-H Nanomuff for distortion. The latter is a pretty good pedal, but I'd recommend the full-on Big Muff Pi, as the nano only has a volume control (seriously). I just bought it cos it was cheap.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 27 Oct 2007, 18:33
Three most common distortion pedals are the Ibanez Tube Screamer, Electro-Harmonix Big Muff, and ProCo RAT.

If you want overdriven, pseudo-fuzzy classic rock go for the Ibanez TS-808. Though the re-issues kinda suck and aren't nearly as good as the vintage ones, IMHO.

If you want anything from KISS to the Smashing Pumpkins, go for a Big Muff. Thick, heavy, hi-gain distortion. But be warned, it'll hijack your sound. Any guitar through a Big Muff through any amp will sound about the same. So it gets boring fast.

The RAT will give you a wide range of tones. It has a really nice, fluid distortion that lets your guitar's natural tone shine through, but you can Rokk The Fuck Out (TM) with it too.

Then there are a ton of lesser known and/or boutique pedals. There's no science there except playing through them and figuring out whether or not you like the result. Head down to a local guitar shop that isn't Sam Ash or Guitar Center. They'll have a much better chance of having them in stock and they'll be nice about letting you try them out.

P.S. The Voodoo Labs Superfuzz (bit of a misnomer, it doesn't have the least bit of fuzz in it) makes a fucking great distortion pedal.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Oct 2007, 19:09
Hello all. I want a bass distortion/overdrive pedal. Do I have to use specific bass FX or can a guitar one just do the job? I know the frequencies will be different, but I like a lot of high and mid in my bass tone anyway.

I'm looking for a pedal that can get me close to Peter Hook, and/or the bass player in 'Eternal Life' by Jeff Buckley. The bass tone in the latter blows me away.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 27 Oct 2007, 19:25
Check out BlackBox Effects (http://www.blackboxmusicfx.com/). Their pedals are specifically designed to sound just as good with instruments other than guitar as with guitar (bass, synth, anything else you can plug in to a 1/4 jack).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: thestyxcrossing on 27 Oct 2007, 22:09
Three most common distortion pedals are the Ibanez Tube Screamer, Electro-Harmonix Big Muff, and ProCo RAT.

If you want overdriven, pseudo-fuzzy classic rock go for the Ibanez TS-808. Though the re-issues kinda suck and aren't nearly as good as the vintage ones, IMHO.

If you want anything from KISS to the Smashing Pumpkins, go for a Big Muff. But be warned, it'll hijack your sound. Any guitar through a Big Muff through any amp will sound about the same. So it gets boring fast.

The RAT will give you a wide range of tones. It has a really nice, fluid distortion that lets your guitar's natural tone shine through, but you can Rokk The Fuck Out (TM) with it too.

Then there are a ton of lesser known and/or boutique pedals. There's no science there except playing through them and figuring out whether or not you like the result. Head down to a local guitar shop that isn't Sam Ash or Guitar Center. They'll have a much better chance of having them in stock and they'll be nice about letting you try them out.

P.S. The Voodoo Labs Superfuzz (bit of a misnomer, it doesn't have the least bit of fuzz in it) makes a fucking great distortion pedal.

Thanks Ballard. I appreciate the differentiations. I'll probably start looking into the RAT since I'm looking for some variety. There's several local shops around where I'm at so I'm gonna bring it in and try em out.

And thanks for the other suggestions everyone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Felix on 28 Oct 2007, 18:12
A friend of mine came in the other day with a "Léro" guitar. I have found only two things about this brand : it's probably from the 70s and it's a Korean imitation of a Les Paul. Sounds decent, doesn't play bad, I like it.  I doubt it's worth something big, but does anyone here ever heard about Léros ?



As for distortion pedals, I bought a Double Muff this summer. I really wanted a Big Muff, but like Ballard said, it always sounds the same. The Double Muff has two channels, (Ch 1 Overdrive, serves as a volume boost for channel 2nd, and CH 2 well, kinda like the Big Muff) and a lil' (very lil') switch to choose the channel you want. Unfortunately you can't switch with your foot, which is kind of sucky, but I rarely need to do so. Also, it's cheaper than the Big Muff.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sombrasoubrette on 31 Oct 2007, 14:57
Boyfriend + guitar (it's some sort of Ibanez, I'm not sure)

(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v122/216/44/1223851677/n1223851677_30565045_6659.jpg)

Mine (also an Ibanez, from the Artwood series)

(http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v122/216/44/1223851677/n1223851677_30555660_7814.jpg)

It's big but it makes a REALLY nice sound.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 31 Oct 2007, 21:47
Is it wrong not to love Ibanez acoustics?  I like them, I just don't love them.  I really love Taylors though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Oct 2007, 21:58
This (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-AEF37E-AcousticElectric-Guitar-with-Onboard-Tuner?sku=512481) one is pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Nov 2007, 12:31
I don't even -like- Ibanez acoustics. In fact, I don't like most Ibanez that I've played AT ALL. The tone doesn't work for me. I don't like "singing" tones from my guitar. If I'm playing single-coil instruments (like my hardtail Squier Bullet, which I adore), I like a bright snap. If I'm playing humbucker instruments, I like an angry snarl (my SG was built for PURE ROKK, God rest her). And if I'm playing an acoustic, I like one of two sounds. Either it's bright and light-sounding, or it's dark, heavy and mellow.

Maybe I'm just not playing the right Ibanez (or an elitist asshole), but I've never found one that gives me a sound I like, no matter what settings I'm using on any amp I've played one through.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sombrasoubrette on 02 Nov 2007, 18:51
it's dark, heavy and mellow.

Mine makes a pretty dark, heavy, mellow sound. The huge body helps.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 03 Nov 2007, 10:21
Maybe I'm just not playing the right Ibanez (or an elitist asshole), but I've never found one that gives me a sound I like, no matter what settings I'm using on any amp I've played one through.

I strongly suspect you haven't played the right one yet.
The place where Ibanez cuts corners, is ALWAYS the pickups, which is why even their Prestige models come with the "kinda-okay-at-times-but-still-shitty" Ibanez stock pickups. If you've never played one in a store, that appealed to you, the pickups are probably the reason.

Slap a set of decent (yes, even decent will do) pickups in one, and it's like you have an entirely different guitar.

I can honestly say, that my RG1570 with DiMarzio Breed pickups (who are by no means the greatest pups ever), screams, snarls, chugs and whispers with the best of them. Try and get hold of a used Ibby with DiMarzio's, then you'll most likely be amazed :)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 03 Nov 2007, 16:44
DiMarzio

I've been meaning to look and see if DiMarzio makes pickups like their TwangKing Tele pickups, but for Strats. My friend put TwangKings in his Warmoth Telecaster, and I couldn't stop fapping for like 3 weeks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 04 Nov 2007, 08:22
One of my mandolin strings broke. I now have a two-inch gash on my hand. Owweee.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Nov 2007, 20:36
>.<
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 05 Nov 2007, 04:31
I've been playing more slide than normal lately.
I'm thinking of starting a rootsy duo, something like xavier rudd, or john butler.

Should i,
A. get a decent acoustic.
B. get a wiessenborn.
C. get a dobro.
D. get something else.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Nov 2007, 05:13
I'm a fan of dobros. I propose E. all of the above.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 Nov 2007, 07:07
I'd say decent acoustic over a dobro, though both are a good choice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 05 Nov 2007, 07:57
Dobro for the win.  Although I really like acoustics.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Nov 2007, 14:54
I'd say decent acoustic over a dobro, though both are a good choice.

I'd say about 80/20 here. The acoustic can be used in pretty much any context you put it in. You might get another bright idea some day, where the Dobro doesn't fit.

The ideal solution is of course to buy it all. It rocks to have a varied "palette" :)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Nov 2007, 17:20
GUYS HOLY FUCK LISTEN TO THE SOUND SAMPLES OF THIS

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Hiwatt-CTE-Custom-Tape-Echo?sku=152500

I WANT THIS SO BADDDDD OMG *UNF UNF UNF UNF*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 05 Nov 2007, 20:33
Looks like the dobro is winning, and i should have mentioned i do already have an acoustic, but its kind of shit, and not an electric acoustic.
There are these really nice matons I've been looking at.

But I'm also leaning more towards the dobro, just with a bit of what Lummer mentioned of it not really fitting in much.



Also KimJongSick, if it's not a WEM copycat or a Space Echo, its not worth it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: corwinzor on 06 Nov 2007, 11:31
That's a nice guitar!

I play a Danelectro U2 1956 reissue. It's kind of a salmony color, so it's like playing a dreamsicle. It was a great buy- I bought it used for $200 about 4 years ago and it hasn't needed any repairs. Really nice, rich, vintage tones. I've been playing it through a Fender Bassman tube amp lately.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Nov 2007, 11:41
How's the Bassman? I've been running down my list of possible new amps, and the reissue is there (also a Fender Hot Rod Deville 2x12, Vox AC30CC, and an Orange Tiny Terror + 2x12). Any decent distortion on its own, or would I be better off with pedals?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 06 Nov 2007, 18:16
Funny, I've been trying to decide between an Orange Tiny Terror + PPC112, a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe or DeVille.

I just played through the latter two today with no pedals and they sounded fucking rad. I have yet to play through a Tiny Terror, but Orange is known for their great hi-gain tones, so it should be great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 07 Nov 2007, 02:18
Both of you need an Orange Tiny Terror. Really, you do.

This is not because i've tried one, but because I've tried to get Fender amps to sound good distorted. And that, my friends, is absolutely impossible unless you have some absurdly good boutique pedals. The Orange may have the same cleans as a fender, though. Fender amps do have very good clean sounds, so if you need that the most, go for that. I wouldn't touch those things with a ten-foot pole, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 07 Nov 2007, 06:41
It's basically fact that Fender amps, without the aid of stompboxes, are terrible for metal. I got a great distorted tone out of them, but it was lighter than required for metal music.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 07 Nov 2007, 07:05
Maybe I'll just get the Tiny Terror and a Deville.

I mean my great-aunt was pretty damned rich, right? ...>>
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Nov 2007, 08:51
Get me that goddamn tape delay dude.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 07 Nov 2007, 08:58
Find Ted Leo's broken one and fix it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Nov 2007, 11:16
That's a vintage Echoplex! Do you know how much it would cost to fix that thing?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 07 Nov 2007, 15:04
That's a vintage Echoplex! Do you know how much it costs?

Fixed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 11 Nov 2007, 22:15
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/TehLetterM/36b53d11.jpg)

A red 1980 Fender Lead II. Yes, I am a Mission of Burma fan. Has held up better than my old POS squier strat.

the old Fender Lead-series guitars kick alot of ass.

i lust after a Lead I with a rosewood fingerboard and i do not care what colour it is!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 12 Nov 2007, 05:21
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-DD20-Giga-Delay?sku=151305

I'm getting one of these for Christmas. It's Boss's answer to the Space Echo (they seriously have everything in common, the layout just looks different).

Also, that Fender Lead is beautiful and I want to marry it. I also want to get that P-90 bearing 22-fret semi-hollow that they've got. It's like $600 and is the perfect answer to the SG. Too bad nobody even notices them, so they'll probably get discontinued.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 12 Nov 2007, 19:45
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-DD20-Giga-Delay?sku=151305

I'm getting one of these for Christmas. It's Boss's answer to the Space Echo (they seriously have everything in common, the layout just looks different).

I have a giga delay, its good fun.

But i would have to say, boss's answer to the space echo would be this one.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Boss-RE20-Space-Echo-DelayReverb-Pedal?sku=152267
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: lyra on 12 Nov 2007, 19:52
gibson's robot guitar (it tunes itself!?!?): http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/


(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/11/robot_guitar.jpg)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 12 Nov 2007, 19:55
I play a Danelectro U2 1956 reissue. It's kind of a salmony color, so it's like playing a dreamsicle. It was a great buy- I bought it used for $200 about 4 years ago and it hasn't needed any repairs. Really nice, rich, vintage tones. I've been playing it through a Fender Bassman tube amp lately.

Hopefully I will soon have enough money saved for a Dano U1 re-issue in PURPLE.  It is at my favorite used guitar place and I want it.  I hope to play it through a Fender Champion 600.

How's the Bassman? I've been running down my list of possible new amps, and the reissue is there (also a Fender Hot Rod Deville 2x12, Vox AC30CC, and an Orange Tiny Terror + 2x12). Any decent distortion on its own, or would I be better off with pedals?

My friend (and frequent jam-cohort) leaves his vintage Bassman head and Fender cab in my basement.  I can't speak for the re-issue, but going off of my experiences with his Bassman you're gonna need a nice distortion pedal.  It gets really great clean tone though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Nov 2007, 20:43
Yeah, most Fender amps have a pretty boring distortion.  Well, the solid state ones anyways.  I haven't played enough of the tube ones to really judge them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 12 Nov 2007, 20:53
The Fender Hot Rod Deluxe and DeVille both have great overdriven tones. More than enough for punk or classic rock. As previously stated, though, Fender amps sans pedals suck for metal.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 12 Nov 2007, 23:16
The Fender Hot Rod Deluxe and DeVille both have great overdriven tones. More than enough for punk or classic rock. As previously stated, though, Fender amps sans pedals suck for metal.

but those amps also have a tendency to vibrate themself into failure if you play them loud very often.

and by loud i mean anything above conversation level.  ;)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Nov 2007, 05:26
More than enough for punk

See guys, THIS was the answer I was looking for. o/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Nov 2007, 08:22
Also, that Fender Lead is beautiful and I want to marry it. I also want to get that P-90 bearing 22-fret semi-hollow that they've got. It's like $600 and is the perfect answer to the SG. Too bad nobody even notices them, so they'll probably get discontinued.

Sadly, I'd think so. Fender axed production on the Cyclones and Toronados for this year.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bishop138 on 13 Nov 2007, 09:03
I have a Jackson Pro DK2M Dinky. I got it second hand and it sounds pretty fucking sweet, the tuning process is a bitch though. I also have a cheapish classical guitar.

I want to get a bass, preferrably a five string. I've been looking at some cheaper ones, like an ESP B-55 or a five stringer from OLP that I had a play around on at the music store.

I need my own amp, I've just been using my mate's for ages and it's a pretty shitty amp, but it's decent for the price he got it. I was thinking of just getting one of those orange cube ones, I think they're just called Micro Cubes or something, anyone know much about them? They're made by Roland, I'm unsure about their quality.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Nov 2007, 09:05
Righto. The Micro-Cube is made by Roland. I think Orange's is called the "Micro Crush"?

I dunno. I've heard a lot of good things about the Rolands, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Nov 2007, 09:07
See guys, THIS was the answer I was looking for. o/

\o

When Tommy was here, we went to see a couple of punk bands play. One guy was using a Tele through what I think was an Orange Rockerverb combo, or maybe a Rocker 30. He sounded great (untill his amp blew out the portable generator they were using to power a show in the park).

I also want to get that P-90 bearing 22-fret semi-hollow that they've got. It's like $600 and is the perfect answer to the SG. Too bad nobody even notices them, so they'll probably get discontinued.

If you mean the Thinline Tele (it's semi-hollow with P-90s), it's actually pretty popular. I know at least 4 people who have one just in my circle of acquaintances.

but those amps also have a tendency to vibrate themself into failure if you play them loud very often.

and by loud i mean anything above conversation level.  ;)

First time I've ever heard this complaint, and I've been reading up on them lately. Explain please?

I was thinking of just getting one of those orange cube ones, I think they're just called Micro Cubes or something, anyone know much about them? They're made by Roland, I'm unsure about their quality.

They're small and they're solid-state, but on a budget they're fucking great. I don't know anyone who bought one and was unhappy with it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bishop138 on 13 Nov 2007, 09:27
Righto. The Micro-Cube is made by Roland. I think Orange's is called the "Micro Crush"?

I dunno. I've heard a lot of good things about the Rolands, though.

Hehe, yeah, I was just describing the colour, I would have had a capital O otherwise. Thanks though.

I was thinking of just getting one of those orange cube ones, I think they're just called Micro Cubes or something, anyone know much about them? They're made by Roland, I'm unsure about their quality.

They're small and they're solid-state, but on a budget they're fucking great. I don't know anyone who bought one and was unhappy with it.

Cool, coz I need to look into a second job before getting one bigger really. Thanks, that helps.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Nov 2007, 10:12
I'm looking into buying a whole new setup. Right now, I'm pretty set on getting a Fender '62 Jazzmaster, a Peavy Windsor Half-stack, and some effect pedals (probably a Voodoo Labs Superfuzz and a Boss Digital Delay pedal, possibly a reverb pedal if the amp doesn't have a built-in reverb effect).

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Nov 2007, 11:47
If you mean the Thinline Tele (it's semi-hollow with P-90s), it's actually pretty popular. I know at least 4 people who have one just in my circle of acquaintances.

I was under the impression he was talking about the TC-90. Patrick, y/n?

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/6/3/2/374632.jpg)


Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Nov 2007, 11:59
Yeah, the TC-90 Thinline Telecaster.

Note the Tele shape and headstock.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Nov 2007, 12:57
I think you might need an eye exam, dude, that may have a Tele neck but it sure ain't like any Tele I've ever seen.

I would make out with that thing in an instant if it turned into a female human.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Nov 2007, 13:00
Dude, it's the same shape, but with another cutaway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Nov 2007, 14:57
Bottom horn is too long to be Telecaster and the whole body isn't wide enough.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Nov 2007, 15:16
Yeah, that's why it's a Thinline Tele. It's more slender and semi-hollow.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Nov 2007, 16:58
Well, You can't go wrong with a good Les Paul. That applies to everyone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 13 Nov 2007, 18:01
GUYS

(http://www.twintown.com/assets/image_database/images/1151.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Nov 2007, 19:23
Dano double-neck?

Fuckin' SWEET.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Nov 2007, 19:48
*FAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAPFAP*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Nov 2007, 19:52
Man, every time I read your signature it reminds me of Moonie.

Is that who it's referring to?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Nov 2007, 19:57
I don't remember, it's been a while, heh.

Also, I know there's already that "lol new gibson self-tuning guitar" thread, but I figure it's worth mentioning. I don't want to have to think about how utterly uninspiring that is, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 13 Nov 2007, 20:08
Now that you can get Danos with proper bridges, they're pretty tempting. The guy in the Poster Children gets an INSANE guitar tone with a Dano, a HiWatt, and a Boss OD-2.

And as far as Ibanez guitars go, I cannot say enough good things about even a cheaper Ibanez with a couple Seymour Duncan pickups in it. I put a JB in an old RG I had back in college and the damn thing sounded as good as my McCarty.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Nov 2007, 20:37
Dude, what guitars HAVEN'T you played? I bet you have a guitar lying around somewhere that was owned by Jimmy Page, slobbered on by Clapton, lit on fire by Hendrix, and covered in sweat-grease by everybody who has ever played guitar for John Mayall.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 13 Nov 2007, 20:49
I have owned probably 12-15 different guitars at various points in my life. Right now I've got four guitars (two PRS, one ESP, one Gibson) and a bass (shit-ass-old Spector import).

They are basically what I used to spend all my money on.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Nov 2007, 20:50
Holy shit Jeph is Dweezil Zappa?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 14 Nov 2007, 03:07
Registered just so I could take part in this thread.

So many awesome guitars, I'm in shock :P

(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/682/img015zm6.th.jpg) (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img015zm6.jpg)

This is mine, a Fender Highway 1 (I know... not much cashflow going through here) made in USA, with Custom Shop '69 pickups, and the black pickguard, gibson SG buttons you see.

I like it a lot, in retrospective, maybe I should have got a RW neck, but I really liked it.

Soon, I'll be able to afford my dream gear. Fender Twin Reverb, and a Gibson ES-335. :)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: SilentJ on 14 Nov 2007, 05:10
ZOMG HAY GUISE I GOTS A SQIUER STRAT OLOL

Seriously though it was my first guitar and I still like it for some strange reason.

The two even semi-good guitars I've got are a Takamine G334 (discontinued, I feel special) and an Epiphone Les Paul Standard.

the Takamine is purely acoustic, so once I get the funds I'm looking into a Seagull acoustic/electric.  After that though, I'm thinking a PRS would be a solid investment.  My guitar reacher got sponsored by PRS last year, so he may/may not be getting a signature model sometime soon-ish.  If he does I swear I might get one free, or at least reeeeeally cheap.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Nov 2007, 06:56
Hah, yes. My first electric was a Squier Bullet. I'm planning on rebuilding it eventually. The body's all beat to shit and currently covered almost 100% with duct tape. I need to get a new bridge, pickguard, tuners, and a humbucker.

Speaking of PRS, I'm kinda really liking their new "Mira". Hmmmn.

http://prsguitars.com/mira/index.html
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 14 Nov 2007, 07:37
Registered just so I could take part in this thread.

Nice!

P.S. Welcome and stuff.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Nov 2007, 10:49
ZOMG HAY GUISE I GOTS A SQIUER STRAT OLOL

Seriously though it was my first guitar and I still like it for some strange reason.

I could go on forever and ever on how much I love Squier. I have a Squier Bullet (the now-discontinued hardtail-only one) and it still is one of my absolute favourite guitars. Maybe it's just the fact that I'm playing her through a Marshall (Fender/Squier and Marshall go together like football players and cheerleaders) but I absolutely adore the sounds I get out of her.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Nov 2007, 11:20
My new plan of attack:

I was looking at old Danelectros and Silvertones (both Dano and Kaye-made) on eBay before my last class, and some of them are on the very damn inexpensive side. I may hoard any money I get for the holidays and buy one of these.

Seriously. Goddamn.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1962-Silvertone-1448-Guitar-Amp-in-Case_W0QQitemZ230189536750QQihZ013QQcategoryZ119094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Nov 2007, 12:27
Kay guitars? Come on dude, don't tempt me. Now I have to post pics of my '53 Kay acoustic.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2459.jpg)

Also, thanks, now I'm looking at Silvertone stuff on Ebay and if I buy anything it will send me into debt. DON'T DO THESE THINGS TO ME, IT'S NOT NICE
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Nov 2007, 12:43
I'll probably be getting me a Schecter C7 Blackjack soon.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Kai on 14 Nov 2007, 15:21
my first guitar was a really old DanElectro. It is pretty much hells of awesome.

I also play a Strat.

I don't have any money for anything else.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 14 Nov 2007, 17:04
So, I've been wondering.

I play mostly funk, mellow chords, with clean sound, and a hint of reverb.

I was on a budget, and I needed some stuff fast, so I bought a Crate Stack amp (can't remember the reference) and a Boss GT-8 pedal (I know, what the fuck was I thinking).

Right about now, I'm fed up with that crap, and I -know- I'm not taking advantage of my Custom shop PU's. Also, I don't use 1/20th of the stuff the GT-8 has.

So, what amps, effect pedals do you recommend?

I was thinking a Fender Twin Reverb, and a Boss Delay pedal, and perhaps a Ibanez Tube Screamer for the distortion here and there (and of course a Boss Chromatic Tuner).

Down the road, I wanted to get a hollowbody guitar, so I was thinking on acquiring a Gibson ES-335, preferrably vintage, if I can afford it.


Whatcha guys think?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Nov 2007, 17:11
Hah, yes. My first electric was a Squier Bullet. I'm planning on rebuilding it eventually. The body's all beat to shit and currently covered almost 100% with duct tape. I need to get a new bridge, pickguard, tuners, and a humbucker.

Speaking of PRS, I'm kinda really liking their new "Mira". Hmmmn.

http://prsguitars.com/mira/index.html

The Mira looks very cool. I'd seriously want one if my Standard 24 wasn't basically the exact same guitar only with a trem and different pickups.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Nov 2007, 17:14
So, I've been wondering.

I play mostly funk, mellow chords, with clean sound, and a hint of reverb.

I was on a budget, and I needed some stuff fast, so I bought a Crate Stack amp (can't remember the reference) and a Boss GT-8 pedal (I know, what the fuck was I thinking).

Right about now, I'm fed up with that crap, and I -know- I'm not taking advantage of my Custom shop PU's. Also, I don't use 1/20th of the stuff the GT-8 has.

So, what amps, effect pedals do you recommend?

I was thinking a Fender Twin Reverb, and a Boss Delay pedal, and perhaps a Ibanez Tube Screamer for the distortion here and there (and of course a Boss Chromatic Tuner).

Down the road, I wanted to get a hollowbody guitar, so I was thinking on acquiring a Gibson ES-335, preferrably vintage, if I can afford it.


Whatcha guys think?

I say Fender are probably a good idea, possibly Orange amps as well. Aside from that all I can do is say go and play some damn amps.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Nov 2007, 17:52
A truly vintage 335 costs more than a decent car, these days.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 14 Nov 2007, 18:18
A truly vintage 335 costs more than a decent car, these days.


Tell me about it. Selling my car for that guitar crossed my mind more than once haha. Too bad I can't ride my vintage Gibson to college heh.


P.S.: omgwhutufux hi Jeph, recent poster, been reading your comic since... well, strip 50 or so. Love it :D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 14 Nov 2007, 19:09
My friend managed to pick up an older Epiphone ES-335 for about $250.  It's fairly beat to shit but we love it because it has a gorgeous bigsby.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 14 Nov 2007, 20:16
A truly vintage 335 costs more than a decent car, these days.

I think they're worth more than cars.  The only thing guitars expel into the environment is love.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Nov 2007, 03:35
I'll drink to that, New Person!

Also, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT TELLING ME HOW BEAUTIFUL MY KAY IS. HOP TO IT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Nov 2007, 07:08
Pff, not only love, you hippie. Guitars expel an unhealthy, potentially-damaging amount of ROKK.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Nov 2007, 08:01
I'll drink to that, New Person!

Also, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT TELLING ME HOW BEAUTIFUL MY KAY IS. HOP TO IT.

*shrug* I guess I find acoustic guitars boring. They pretty much all look the same and have a big hole in the middle.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 15 Nov 2007, 08:03
Now that you can get Danos with proper bridges, they're pretty tempting. The guy in the Poster Children gets an INSANE guitar tone with a Dano, a HiWatt, and a Boss OD-2.

My new plan of attack:

I was looking at old Danelectros and Silvertones (both Dano and Kaye-made) on eBay before my last class, and some of them are on the very damn inexpensive side. I may hoard any money I get for the holidays and buy one of these.

Seriously. Goddamn.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1962-Silvertone-1448-Guitar-Amp-in-Case_W0QQitemZ230189536750QQihZ013QQcategoryZ119094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


If you're looking for Danos - try these guys http://www.fatdawg.com

When Dano shut down in the 80's Fat Dog bought 1000's of necks and bodies, and now he sells the guitars fully put together with vintage parts and upgraded bridges for almost nothing.  They also do lots of custom Dano work with upgraded pickups, bodies, etc.  

For Fender guys, he did the same thing with the Fullerton Fender plant when it shut down, so you can get a fully assembled Fender strat with all vintage parts for about $300 made from Fender themselves.  All it lacks is the lable.  Beats a Squier, huh?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Nov 2007, 08:04
Yeah, I know about them. I might end up getting a Tele Deluxe clone from them, instead of a Fender reissue.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 15 Nov 2007, 08:32
Subway Guitars are the best. Excellent guys.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Nov 2007, 08:35
They pretty much all look the same and have a big hole

Don't feed me straight lines like that, because I WILL say "The same goes for all your girlfriends."

Also, Chad K., stop telling people about it, eventually those parts will run out and *I* will be out of options for getting a relatively inexpensive, well-made guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Nov 2007, 08:41
Man, that's some cool shit. Especially since I spend far too much time drooling over vintage Danos on eBay.

Awesome Kay, KimJongSick.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 15 Nov 2007, 08:46
They pretty much all look the same and have a big hole

Don't feed me straight lines like that, because I WILL say "The same goes for all your girlfriends."

Also, Chad K., stop telling people about it, eventually those parts will run out and *I* will be out of options for getting a relatively inexpensive, well-made guitar.

Damn, Dog, my bad.  Lots of souped-up Kay, Harmony, Silvertone and Sovereign acoustics there, too.  I have an Alvarez acoustic I'm crazy about, but I've thought about purchasing some tricked-out ginormous dreadnought acoustic from them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Nov 2007, 08:52
Hah, I'm just being a dick anyway.

And *finally* somebody gets it. Thanks Ballard!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Nov 2007, 08:55
I once played an all mahogany Alvarez.  It sounded really bright and had great tone.  If I had known about them before I bought my Washburn, I would definitely have tried to get it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Nov 2007, 09:02
They pretty much all look the same and have a big hole
Don't feed me straight lines like that, because I WILL say "The same goes for all your girlfriends."

They were all fairly cute, so I guess so.

Putting my Squier back together? I had a pure evil idea about it yesterday.

Throw one of those huge-ass Tele humbuckers in it. Mwahahaha.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 15 Nov 2007, 09:56
Wow those subway guys are frikkin' awesome.

I wonder how the Hoyer 335 they got there sounds. I fell in love with the picture, and it's only 700$. Speaking of which, do they ship internationally?

You guys recommend buying guitars made by these chaps, are they close to the original sound?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Nov 2007, 10:00
For the most part, I'd think so. They're using all the same stuff that Fender and Dano did. Haven't had a chance to play one yet, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 15 Nov 2007, 10:17
I have an Alvarez 6 string, 12-string and acoustic bass, and they've got the nicest sound.

BaneAtvar: I'd strongly recommend buying a guitar from the Subway guys, they're great to work with.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Nov 2007, 13:18
Every Thursday, I go to guitar club at my school and listen to a bunch of kids in Iron Maiden T-shirts play Metallica riffs for 45 minutes straight on their bastard Strat copies.

I basically only go cause the teacher supervisin' is a cool guy and we end up talking about 90s psych bands most of the time.

Today however, someone brought in a low-end Gretsch. Nothing fancy, an Electromatic of some sort. But that it's all it took to remind me just how gay I am for semi-hollow guitars. It was so fun playing the damn thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Nov 2007, 13:28
I have made it a goal in my life to get a semi-hollow guitar.  Maybe an Ibanez.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Nov 2007, 14:28
Semi-hollow? I think we are going to become good friends.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Nov 2007, 14:46
I'm getting my Semi-hollow back from a friend who's been borrowing it, this weekend. I am looking very much forward to that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 15 Nov 2007, 15:39
Every Thursday, I go to guitar club at my school and listen to a bunch of kids in Iron Maiden T-shirts play Metallica riffs for 45 minutes straight on their bastard Strat copies.

I basically only go cause the teacher supervisin' is a cool guy and we end up talking about 90s psych bands most of the time.

Today however, someone brought in a low-end Gretsch. Nothing fancy, an Electromatic of some sort. But that it's all it took to remind me just how gay I am for semi-hollow guitars. It was so fun playing the damn thing.

Semi-hollows are sexy. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Nov 2007, 16:46
I'm thinking of even making a homebuilt semi-hollow just so I can get a nice, healthy screech from it when I put her next to the amp. I'm thinking Bigsby trem and Gretsch roller bridge + locking tuners on a Fender neck (probably Warmoth).

If I figure out how to post a link to send money to my PayPal, will any of you do it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 15 Nov 2007, 19:24
I'll drink to that, New Person!

Also, WHY THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT TELLING ME HOW BEAUTIFUL MY KAY IS. HOP TO IT.

No no no, man.  You got it all wrong. It's a Kay.  It's not supposed to be beautiful. It's like telling somebody their beat old 50's Chevy truck is cool because its beautiful, when its actually cool because its a beat up old Chevy truck.  My old Kay, the Dirty Kay, was a '54 Rocketline beat to hell with a bad yellowed lacquer refin and a neck like a got-damn 2x4.  It sounded like the blues all on its own, and I loved it.  It started seperating at the neck, and I traded it to a knwoledgeable repair guy with some other guitars for an upright.  I still miss that guitar. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 16 Nov 2007, 02:49
My dad had a gorgeous sky blue '53 Chevy (I think '53 was just my family's year for cool shit) and I am failing to understand you. That thing was made of a steel-awesome-badass alloy, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Nov 2007, 07:01
Today however, someone brought in a low-end Gretsch. Nothing fancy, an Electromatic of some sort. But that it's all it took to remind me just how gay I am for semi-hollow guitars. It was so fun playing the damn thing.


Mmmmmm, Gretsch. I might be capable of murder if it got me a '61 Duo Jet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 18 Nov 2007, 18:21
Guys, I'm picking up a used Dano U-1 re-issue this coming Wednesday for super cheap.  The best part: it's in light purple finish.  Pictures will be posted when I get it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 18 Nov 2007, 19:12
Yeah, that's why it's a Thinline Tele. It's more slender and semi-hollow.

I didn't think the real Thinline Telecasters were any more slender. Just hollow.

I wouldn't call it a Thinline Tele because that's generally reserved for the '69 and '72 designs with the same name. Fender themselves market the TC-90 as their only "Other Guitar" (which is pretty weird, haha). See here:
http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?section=guitars&cat=otherguitars

Hollow guitars are awesome for feedback. Semi-hollows like the ES-335 are a bit more easy to get feedback with than solid bodied guitars, but the full-hollows such as the Epiphone Casino and big jazz boxes do it in a snap at pretty low volumes. I have a FuijiGen factory Japanese Epiphone Casino and it sounds fantastic. I still prefer my Fenders overall though.

(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r309/FireAarro/Offset/Epiphone%20Casino%20NAT%20Fujigen/IMG_0878.jpg?t=1195441931)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 19 Nov 2007, 11:23
The Gibson website talks about their CS-356 as a semi-hollow that "doesn't make it look like you're playing your daddy's guitar". I don't know, I just love that big ol' body. I think it looks pretty good on me. Then again, I'm pretty tall, so it's kindof flattering to have it on me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 19 Nov 2007, 15:36
A friend of mine is selling his Gibson SG Worn Cherry for peanuts. It'd be a damn shame to let that fall into the wrong hands.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 19 Nov 2007, 16:51
Why? Does he know it's value?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Nov 2007, 01:14
That bastard, he should give it to me as a replacement for my b0rked one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: kivenkantaja on 20 Nov 2007, 01:25
Oh, I totally win at this thread!  After buying my 1st second guitar I pushed myself into debt and bought another electric guitar, a bass and an acoustic, all within about 8 months.. I went a bit crazy.

Here they are

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m157/DGpr/guitarpromo/crossedsmall.jpg)

That is Skaddi and Saga (Norse Goddesses, for winter/ice and a random drinking partner of Odins) In that order

Specifically they are (L) ESP-LTD DV-8R w/ livewires and an ESP-LTD MH400NT

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m157/DGpr/guitarpromo/DSC00510.jpg)

This is Eir.  The norse goddess of Healing.  She's a Seagull something-or-other.  Seagull has weird model numbers I can never remember.  Bought her for a steal of a deal $500.  She was over looked and marked down hella-good before I snatched her up.

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m157/DGpr/gear/DSC00560.jpg)

And that's my Bass.  Hedrun.  Who's a norse-goddess of something-or-other.

She's an ESP-LTD B2005.  Ebony Fretboard, no fret-markings but the 30 year aniversary @ the 12th fret.

Sexy.. plays like a dream too.  I love Ebony.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Dizzydes on 20 Nov 2007, 07:25
sorry i don't have a photo or a digital camera (mine broke last week when i dropped it in the swamp) but my bass is warwick streamer 5 string in red finish.
but at the moment i currently looking for a jazzier bass preferably fretless any suggestions?, im leaning to a fender at the moment.
and yes i know double bass is better for jazz, but i don't have 4 grand in my back pocket.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: terriblecabbage on 20 Nov 2007, 08:57
Best picture I have at the moment, unfortunately.

(http://progsoc.org/~rhoward/public/pics/photos/house.music_corner.jpg)

It's an OLP MM2 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/OLP-MM2-4String-Bass-Guitar?sku=516050), and my first bass (or guitar for that matter). Yes, I'm a goddamn newbie. :D

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Nov 2007, 11:48
I like how he names his guitars after Norse gods and goddesses.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 20 Nov 2007, 11:51
Why? Does he know it's value?

Well, yeah. But still, friends are friends :) It's fairly well kept and i got it at half list price. Pretty good deal, I reckon!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Nov 2007, 11:57
CAN I HAVE IT PLEASE
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 20 Nov 2007, 13:25
No, I need a(nother) Gibson ;)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Nov 2007, 14:20
So do I, my only one broke :B
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 20 Nov 2007, 16:42
So, I totally fell in love with Subway's Tele* Deluxe, but I live in Portugal (freaking other side of the world) and the guy didnt answer my e-mail, so I'm very skeptical about ordering from them.

I really (-REALLY-) want a Tele with a humbucker in the bridge position, any recommendations fellas?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 20 Nov 2007, 16:49
Why? Does he know it's value?

Well, yeah. But still, friends are friends :) It's fairly well kept and i got it at half list price. Pretty good deal, I reckon!

Ohh. You didn't make clear that he was selling it to you.

Good on 'im then.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 20 Nov 2007, 16:55
Well, it IS in for a kicking, but I believe he knew that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 20 Nov 2007, 22:25
It's an OLP MM2 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/OLP-MM2-4String-Bass-Guitar?sku=516050), and my first bass (or guitar for that matter). Yes, I'm a goddamn newbie. :D



I'm a big noob too. But hey, you always remember your first, right?


Here's mine:

(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a207/Xyljin/100_1939.jpg)

Yeah, I know it's gimmicky. But a wise man once said: "Fuck you, I bought it, I thought it was cool."
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Nov 2007, 03:01
Mmm, delicious. 24 frets (that you can fucking reach for once), locking nut and trem, and an attention-grabbing paint job. Gimmicky, yes, and I'm still not a fan of SuperStrats, but if I had to choose between the dime-a-dozen models of them that there are out there, I'd go for that one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 21 Nov 2007, 03:10
So, I totally fell in love with Subway's Tele* Deluxe, but I live in Portugal (freaking other side of the world) and the guy didnt answer my e-mail, so I'm very skeptical about ordering from them.

I really (-REALLY-) want a Tele with a humbucker in the bridge position, any recommendations fellas?

My pride and joy, the guitar I love most in my collection, is the '72 Telecaster Custom reissue. 'Buckers in the neck and bridge. It's got great chnk, great jangle, and if you find the right amp it has a majestic clean tone too. You can do fiery blues, a warm soloing tone, it works for metal, it works for indie, it works for prog - it just does everything I could possibly want.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: voidSkipper on 21 Nov 2007, 03:55
Yeah, I know it's gimmicky. But a wise man once said: "Fuck you, I bought it, I thought it was cool."

I never thought I'd see a Giger series Ibanez outside of the online store. Awesome paintjob, awesome artist. How's it sound?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 21 Nov 2007, 08:15
So, I totally fell in love with Subway's Tele* Deluxe, but I live in Portugal (freaking other side of the world) and the guy didnt answer my e-mail, so I'm very skeptical about ordering from them.

I really (-REALLY-) want a Tele with a humbucker in the bridge position, any recommendations fellas?

Fender Mexican Standard + Seymour Duncan Lil' 59? It's a humbucker that's the size of a Tele bridge pickup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 21 Nov 2007, 08:20
On that note, single coil pick-ups in humbucker form (http://www.eastwoodguitars.com) over at Eastwood Guitars. The site is built weird so I can't direct link, but they're under Accessories.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 21 Nov 2007, 08:21
That may be the only problem I've seen with Eastwood: a kinda shitty website.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 21 Nov 2007, 08:26
So, I totally fell in love with Subway's Tele* Deluxe, but I live in Portugal (freaking other side of the world) and the guy didnt answer my e-mail, so I'm very skeptical about ordering from them.

I really (-REALLY-) want a Tele with a humbucker in the bridge position, any recommendations fellas?

Yeah, it's all over their site that they don't do emails.  It sounds crazy in this day and age, but letters or phone calls are pretty much the only way to go with them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 21 Nov 2007, 08:30
That may be the only problem I've seen with Eastwood: a kinda shitty website.

I fucking love that they have huge pictures of all their products in all the finishes available, though.

Also, you can direct link guitars and basses if you open them in a new tab. Accessories don't have their own pages, however.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 21 Nov 2007, 09:27
http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/classic6/images/classic6-big/classic6white.jpg

I am buying you in the spring, guy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 21 Nov 2007, 09:28
That is a sexy guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 21 Nov 2007, 09:29
I was gonna get it in orange, but now they have it in white. Perfect for those of us who can't throw down $3500 on a White Falcon.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 21 Nov 2007, 09:52
I never thought I'd see a Giger series Ibanez outside of the online store. Awesome paintjob, awesome artist. How's it sound?

Pretty much like you would expect it to, since it's mahogany; nice and warm, plus the sustain goes on forever, despite not being the heaviest guitar I've seen. I really need to replace the pickups though. The guitar is already a couple full notches above acceptable and I'm giddy at the thought of getting some duncans or dimarzios, I just haven't pulled the trigger yet due to indecision.


Guitars like that eastwood aren't really my style (as I'm sure people have guessed by now :D), but I must admit it sure looks classy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Nov 2007, 15:00
http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/savannahDLX/savannahDLX_frm.htm

I came so hard, this is exactly the body shape, style, and bridge setup I've been looking for for AGES.

Between this and that Italia Rimini doubleneck, I don't know which I'd rather have. I have a pretty severe hard-on for a 12-string and practicality isn't a problem for doublenecks, but I've always wanted a guitar that will feed back and you can still divebomb her.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 21 Nov 2007, 15:41
pretty severe hard-on for a 12-string

http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/nashville12/nashv12_frm.htm

Not a double-neck, but fucking gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 21 Nov 2007, 16:40
dogg if you divebomb a Bigsby expect to spend the next ten minutes retuning
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Nov 2007, 03:29
After retrofitting her with a graphite nut and locking tuners (a total of like what, $70?), the roller bridge should make it work without fault. Floyd Rose can suck it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 22 Nov 2007, 04:19
Ehh, I dunno. My experience with Bigsbys hasn't been too positive, they give me tuning hell. I dislike their general feel as well, especially the clunky vibrato arm. Give me a Jazzmaster/Jaguar vibrato system anyday. That's what I calll smooth.

The design on the model you linked is a bit different from the standard Bigsby though- more roller gadgets, different positioning of spring, and the arm looks like it'd be more comfortable, so perhaps it's an improvement. Locking tuners and graphite nut will certainly help. If you're expecting divebombs though, the Bigsbys I've tried have a downward bend range of about two semitones.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 22 Nov 2007, 07:58
My guitar player is currently rockin' this little gem-

http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=153&CollectionID=1

If you like bigsbys, this one's amazing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Nov 2007, 14:01
Give me a Jazzmaster/Jaguar vibrato system anyday. That's what I calll smooth.

Agreed, but have fun setting it up again every time you change strings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 22 Nov 2007, 21:01
http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/classic6/images/classic6-big/classic6white.jpg

I am buying you in the spring, guy.

I'm thinking of trading in my Lead II for one of these babies. Would this be a wise deal or should I save up money so I can keep both guitars?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 22 Nov 2007, 23:38
Give me a Jazzmaster/Jaguar vibrato system anyday. That's what I calll smooth.

Agreed, but have fun setting it up again every time you change strings.

Doesn't affect it unless you change string gauge. Talking about string change hell, have you ever tried changing strings on a Bigsby equipped guitar?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 23 Nov 2007, 06:58
http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/classic6/images/classic6-big/classic6white.jpg

I am buying you in the spring, guy.

I'm thinking of trading in my Lead II for one of these babies. Would this be a wise deal or should I save up money so I can keep both guitars?

Give ME the Lead. Easy enough.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 23 Nov 2007, 08:23
No screw you dude you still have an electric that's intact. Be a pal, hand 'er to me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 23 Nov 2007, 12:02
Give me a Jazzmaster/Jaguar vibrato system anyday. That's what I calll smooth.

Agreed, but have fun setting it up again every time you change strings.

Doesn't affect it unless you change string gauge. Talking about string change hell, have you ever tried changing strings on a Bigsby equipped guitar?

You people have obviously never owned a Floyd Rose-equipped guitar..

*waits for someone who used to own a Steinberger with the TransTrem system to come around and pwn me*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 25 Nov 2007, 10:22
Yeah I am a Floyd Rose fan when it comes to trem bridges. I feel like the PRS trem is the next best thing, but there's no other trem system that lets you do horrible, horrible things to your guitar like a Floyd. It has to be a well-made version though, preferably an actual Floyd Rose and not a "licensed" version- although I've heard good things about Ibanez's newer FR-style bridges.

I'm considering getting an Ibanez 7-string* sometime soon (probably the RG Prestige model) so I guess we'll see.

*I have a thing for owning guitars that used to be "cool" but are currently considered way gauche- I had a Jackson soloist back before all the new-generation metal bands re-popularized the brand. I feel like Ibanez, particularly their 7-strings, are post-hype (and more importantly post-shitty-bands-that-endorse-them) so they're probably a good buy nowadays.

Also that new 8-string guitar they're making is RIDICULOUS. You gotta admire any company willing to put THAT friggin' thing on the market.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 25 Nov 2007, 10:32
Yeah I am a Floyd Rose fan when it comes to trem bridges. I feel like the PRS trem is the next best thing, but there's no other trem system that lets you do horrible, horrible things to your guitar like a Floyd. It has to be a well-made version though, preferably an actual Floyd Rose and not a "licensed" version- although I've heard good things about Ibanez's newer FR-style bridges.

I'm considering getting an Ibanez 7-string* sometime soon (probably the RG Prestige model) so I guess we'll see.

*I have a thing for owning guitars that used to be "cool" but are currently considered way gauche†- I had a Jackson soloist back before all the new-generation metal bands re-popularized the brand. I feel like Ibanez, particularly their 7-strings, are post-hype (and more importantly post-shitty-bands-that-endorse-them) so they're probably a good buy nowadays.

Also that new 8-string guitar they're making is RIDICULOUS. You gotta admire any company willing to put THAT friggin' thing on the market.

†See also PRS guitars right now- I STILL LOVE MY MCCARTY AND I DON'T CARE IF NICKELBACK PLAYS THEM TOO GODDAMNIT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Nov 2007, 07:21
See, part of the reason I kinda want a PRS is because Chris from the Larry Arms used to play an SE EG, and I liked how they sounded Ghost Stories-ish.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Nov 2007, 08:04
I am going to steal my friend's Epiphone Sheraton if he's not careful. I have dreams about that guitar, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 26 Nov 2007, 19:17
See, part of the reason I kinda want a PRS is because Chris from the Larry Arms used to play an SE EG, and I liked how they sounded Ghost Stories-ish.

Thing is, PRS make incredible guitars. Their quality control puts literally every other big manufacturer to shame, and a lot of the one-shop hand-made guys too. They just oversaturated the market back in the nu-metal boom of the late 90s/early 00s. Now they're overpriced and have the stigma of god-awful bands swearing by them.

Even their import models are better than just about any other import I've seen outside of the ESP Japan shop (the fancy-pants non-LTD models).

If you can afford a PRS then by all means get one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 26 Nov 2007, 19:18
I am going to steal my friend's Epiphone Sheraton if he's not careful. I have dreams about that guitar, man.

The Sheratons are their 335-style model, right? Those things are pretty sweet. The Broken Social Scene guys play them sometimes and they sound really good. Semihollows aren't really my thing but they seem like a really good buy for the money.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 26 Nov 2007, 19:22
have the stigma of god-awful bands swearing by them.

On the other hand, Opeth and Porcupine Tree swear by them as well.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 26 Nov 2007, 19:26
I will keep my opinion of Porcupine Tree to myself.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Nov 2007, 21:15
Man, I really wish I could find a used Jazzmaster on Craig's List or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Nov 2007, 01:16
The Sheratons are their 335-style model, right? Those things are pretty sweet. The Broken Social Scene guys play them sometimes and they sound really good. Semihollows aren't really my thing but they seem like a really good buy for the money.

One of the many, yeah. Which albums do they play them on, do you know? I've only got their self-titled from '05.

I do know for a fact that Ted Leo has used his Sheraton (plural?) on numerous occasions, as did one John Lee Hooker. The thing that most appeals to me, though, is the fact that you can get warm, controllable feedback without having to blow out your windows.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Nov 2007, 02:29
Yeah I am a Floyd Rose fan when it comes to trem bridges. I feel like the PRS trem is the next best thing, but there's no other trem system that lets you do horrible, horrible things to your guitar like a Floyd. It has to be a well-made version though, preferably an actual Floyd Rose and not a "licensed" version- although I've heard good things about Ibanez's newer FR-style bridges.

I'm considering getting an Ibanez 7-string* sometime soon (probably the RG Prestige model) so I guess we'll see.

*I have a thing for owning guitars that used to be "cool" but are currently considered way gauche- I had a Jackson soloist back before all the new-generation metal bands re-popularized the brand. I feel like Ibanez, particularly their 7-strings, are post-hype (and more importantly post-shitty-bands-that-endorse-them) so they're probably a good buy nowadays.

Also that new 8-string guitar they're making is RIDICULOUS. You gotta admire any company willing to put THAT friggin' thing on the market.

As for absolute abuse, a Kahler bridge works really well too. Kerry King swears by them...

Say what you will about the man's lead playing, but if it can stand up to his use I'm sure it can stand up to anything.

Oh, and if you're an eBayer, try and find an RG7620 or S7420. You'll thank me later.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Nov 2007, 05:07
And now for no apparent Reason, My 7-string:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/Foto130.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Nov 2007, 06:26
http://www.elderly.com/accessories/items/AMPLUG-AC30.htm


What the hellass?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 27 Nov 2007, 06:58
That's fuckin' weird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Phaedra on 27 Nov 2007, 07:55
That doesn't seem like a bad idea? Good for people who want to practice a lot but live in apartments, or have small babies, or whatever. Unless it does something different to what I imagine it would.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Nov 2007, 08:31
That doesn't seem like a bad idea? Good for people who want to practice a lot but live in apartments, or have small babies, or whatever. Unless it does something different to what I imagine it would.

Honestly, when there are things like the Line 6 POD series on the market, it seems like an extraordinarily daft idea, to me at least.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Nov 2007, 10:13
No way man POD is a shitty band

lol see wut i did there????????
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spinless on 27 Nov 2007, 10:53
Yes, now don't do it again.
I keep trying to understand you guys and your guitar obsessions, but it' always been alien to me. Rather like people who can name more than three cars.
However, recently I have started to become more aware about the subtleties in the sound that each little difference on your guitar can make. Maybe, some day, I will finally be able to understand people who have a favourite car?

I'm under the impression that once you know enough about guitars, and their sounds, that playing guitar becomes a very expensive habit, with people buying guitars like drugs in order to satisfy their craving for each flavour. Can anybody confirm this for me?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Nov 2007, 10:59
I can speak for three people AND myself when I say yes. It's like cocaine, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Nov 2007, 11:33
I own seven electric guitars, and have no intention of stopping at that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 27 Nov 2007, 12:38
guitars guitars guitars guitars
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Nov 2007, 12:55
No it's not like cocaine, because guitars are value for money whereas cocaine isn't.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Nov 2007, 12:58
No it's not like cocaine, because guitars are value for money whereas cocaine isn't.

I love you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Nov 2007, 13:57
I can speak for three people AND myself when I say yes. It's like cocaine, man.

Dude it is worse than cocaine. I think. I've not done cocaine, but guitars, yes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Nov 2007, 15:29
Man, I don't even want to know how many different guitars I've played over the years. I seriously added like 17 to my list when I hit up Guitar Center for an hour and a half in Reno this September.

Those stores are fucking dangerous, man. I didn't leave until I'd spent over $700 on gear. Fortunately the high lasts SO MUCH LONGER than any recorded drug high I've ever heard of, but playing the SG that I finally made mine was something akin to shagging Scarlett Johannson while enjoying an excellent 18-year scotch and a fine Dominican cigar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 27 Nov 2007, 17:17
 :-D - it is tricky balancing both the ashtray and the highball glass on her asscheeks while you ram her

Incidentally, got my RG Prestige 7-string today. Fucker is THICK. Time to start learning some Pig Destroyer riffs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 27 Nov 2007, 22:52
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2170/2070135717_2f9157bdc8_o.jpg)

1988 Yamaha RGX312. It's my dad's old one since he bought a new Tele, so I'm thinking of swapping out for my own. But that's a different topic. :laugh:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Nov 2007, 07:00
Those stores are fucking dangerous, man.

I'll go in to my local just to buy strings, and half an hour later I'm still there, strings unpurchased. It's horrid, fucking horrid.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 28 Nov 2007, 08:15
:-D - it is tricky balancing both the ashtray and the highball glass on her asscheeks while you ram her

Incidentally, got my RG Prestige 7-string today. Fucker is THICK. Time to start learning some Pig Destroyer riffs.

 :laugh: I'm so proud of you Jeph!

Which model is it? Pics, or it didn't happen!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Nov 2007, 09:34
Okay, I must pose a question.  I want a new guitar, I like single coil sounds with lots of distortion and the clean Strat sounds a la Built to Spill, Yo La Tengo, Dinosaur Jr. and Sonic Youth.  BUT!  I also really like The Weakerthans and want to start a band that sounds like them.  I really want a Jazzmaster, because (I think) it can give me all those sounds as I mentioned before, but I'm not so sure about sounding like The Weakerthans.  I was thinking a semi-hollow would work well for folk rock or folk punk.

I guess I'm going to pose two questions here: Jazzmaster or '59 Dano? (I plan to use a Voodoo Labs Superfuzz with whichever one.  I'm leaning more towards the Jazzmaster because of the warmer soap bar pickups.)

and

Would a semi-hollow allow me to sound similar to the guitarists in The Weakerthans?

I would appreciate some help, because I can never make up my mind.  :|
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Nov 2007, 09:38
Maybe an HSS strat?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Nov 2007, 11:32
If you want Yo La Tengo,  :-D Jr. or Sonic Youth sounds, get a Jag. Seriously, the guitarists from EVERY ONE OF THOSE BANDS uses a Jaguar. Too bad the damn things are a grand and a half.

My suggestion if you don't feel like spending a butt-ton of money on a guitar thaht is a bitch and a half to set up: get a Strat and remove the string trees from the headstock. I hate those damn things anyway and I'm probably going to do it on my '06 Squier Bullet (fuck yeah, discontinued!) just so I can kill some sustain. Need a place to store your string trees when you're done taking them off, but want to keep them around just in case? Just Scotch tape them to the inside of the pickguard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 28 Nov 2007, 11:49
J Mascis just got a signature Jazzmaster.

Jazzmaster, Pat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Nov 2007, 11:57
That SON OF A BITCH. I don't even have my own NON-signature Jazz or Jag.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 28 Nov 2007, 11:58
No. Buy something else and dick around with it until you find a sound that's all you instead.

PS: Fender sucks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 28 Nov 2007, 12:02
The Mustang is a good cheaper alternative to the jag, but it's not as warm and vintage sounding.

But I agree with Lummer, Fender does suck.

If you're really looking to achieve all those sounds, but still want your own tones too, you should consider the DiPinto Galaxie 4... 4 pickups means that virtually anything is possible.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Nov 2007, 12:57
I doubt it's as versatile as it could be. Give me an on-off switch and a vol and tone pot for every pickup and then we'll talk.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Nov 2007, 13:09
I like Fender guitars.  I like the Squire Strat I have now, but the neck is too thin for me.  I really want something more professional.  I read up on Jazzmasters and decided that I want one because it can do a good clean and you can get really warm distortion out of it.  I'll check out this DePinto, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 28 Nov 2007, 13:11
Kim, how about one of those old Tiescos with the rocker switches for each pickup? Man, if they didn't play like ass, I'd have one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 28 Nov 2007, 13:22
Man, if they didn't play like ass, I'd have one.

Dude, Eastwood Guitars (http://eastwoodguitars.com/index.htm). They make rad reissues of old Teiscos, Supros, Airlines, Wandres, etc. out of quality parts instead of plastic and shit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Nov 2007, 13:25
I have that site bookmarked because it is just another form of porn for stroking a completely different kind of harbl.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 28 Nov 2007, 13:46
Yeah, I spank to Eastwood's page every night before I go to sleep.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Johnny C on 28 Nov 2007, 14:14
I just came across a post of yours in /mu/. Weird shit, dude.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Nov 2007, 14:23
I don't fuck around when it comes to being an elitist bastard.

Those sons of bitches won't link me to any good torrents though. :(
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 28 Nov 2007, 15:47
Maybe an HSS strat?

Fender's humbucking pickups suck ass.*

If you buy a Fender, it's worth spending extra for an American Deluxe model, and then worth spending even more extra to put a Seymour Duncan in if you've got a humbucker equipped model.

*All their new ones do, anyway. Old dual-humbucker Telecasters sound pretty sweet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 28 Nov 2007, 15:53
:-D - it is tricky balancing both the ashtray and the highball glass on her asscheeks while you ram her

Incidentally, got my RG Prestige 7-string today. Fucker is THICK. Time to start learning some Pig Destroyer riffs.

 :laugh: I'm so proud of you Jeph!

Which model is it? Pics, or it didn't happen!

(http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/ibanez.jpg)

I recorded a song (http://www.questionablecontent.net/FightingOffTheEmus.mp3) on it already!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Nov 2007, 16:11
That's pretty fuckin' sick.  The song and the axe, I mean.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: mediumrare on 28 Nov 2007, 18:35
Yknow what, I've been playing guitar for 7 years and I know shit all about them, so I'm going to ask an amazing question in its stupidity:

how do you guys know all this shit?

If the answer is just "we've played all the guitars we talk about" I'm going to kick you. ACTUALLY go to your houses and kick you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 28 Nov 2007, 18:38
I've been pretty much obsessed with the instrument for about 15 years now. I was seriously considering becoming a luthier in high school and college. I've read virtually everything there is to read about the electric guitar, and have played more than I can count.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 28 Nov 2007, 20:57
About the same, 'cept I've been playing for a year and a half, I've been completely obsessed since the first day, I'm still in high school, and still seriously considering being a guitar technician or luthier.

It's a passion. I'm as interested in the workings of a guitar as in playing one. I am a complete nerd for this stuff and spend countless hours researching it.

I stay over at my drummer's house a lot on the weekends and once his dad caught me up at 3 AM after everyone had gone to bed using his laptop. He was all "DUDE WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT?" and I told him I was reading up on how to wire a pick-up and he gives me this look like "DUDE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PORN JUST FESS UP TO IT" and I made him check my browser history, and to his chagrin he found a bunch of diagrams of a single coil pick-up.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 28 Nov 2007, 22:08
If you want Yo La Tengo,  :-D Jr. or Sonic Youth sounds, get a Jag. Seriously, the guitarists from EVERY ONE OF THOSE BANDS uses a Jaguar. Too bad the damn things are a grand and a half.

Hmm... Sonic Youth don't use Jaguars very often, actually, they're known for their modified Jazzmasters, aka "Jazzblasters", which have those 70s Fender Wide Range Humbuckers in them (from the Tele Deluxe and Custom guitars).

J Mascis used a Jaguar occasionally, but is also better known for his Jazzmasters. In an interview, he said that most of his rhythm guitar tones on record are P-90 equpped guitars, and he likes to use a Jazzmaster for solos. Live he almost exclusively plays Jazzmasters.

I'm a huge Jaguar fan. The short scale, bright, plonky sound, and lack of sustain, I really dig.

You can still get Japanese Jazzmasters and Jaguars imported new from Japan for pretty cheap. Great guitars, though IMO not up to the same standard as the AVRI ones. The main points of difference are the pickups, finish, body shapes (the edges on the AVRI and Vintage ones are more rounded), and the vibrato tailpiece (which is far superior on the American models). You can occasionally pick up a good deal on an AVRI on eBay too- every now and then $900 BIN comes up.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 28 Nov 2007, 22:24
single coil pick-up

So that's what the kids call 'em these days.

These days, I've grown up from obsessing over guitars that I don't own and can't afford to obsessing over recording equipment that I don't own and can't afford.

GAS is a bitch, no matter what it's about.

Right now, the guitar nerd in me is torn between taking my old squier strat, exercising my non-existent wood-shop/luthiery skills and chopping off the top horn and carving it until it's symmetrical and then hot-rodding the shit out of it (which I sure as hell don't have the technical expertise to do), and just buying a new guitar (which I don't have the money for).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 29 Nov 2007, 00:39

(http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/ibanez.jpg)

I recorded a song (http://www.questionablecontent.net/FightingOffTheEmus.mp3) on it already!

I feel like that song is awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Nov 2007, 04:32
If the answer is just "we've played all the guitars we talk about" I'm going to kick you. ACTUALLY go to your houses and kick you.

That actually is the answer for about 80% of all guitars I've ever talked about.

(Dear Wayfaring Stranger, please don't quote pictures, it's a lot of unnecessary scrolling for the rest of us)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 29 Nov 2007, 05:13
Maybe an HSS strat?

Fender's humbucking pickups suck ass.*

If you buy a Fender, it's worth spending extra for an American Deluxe model, and then worth spending even more extra to put a Seymour Duncan in if you've got a humbucker equipped model.


I was thinking specifically about the Lonestar Strat, which comes with a Duncan humbucker. Ya fuckin' jerk.

Badass 7, by the way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: mediumrare on 29 Nov 2007, 05:39
If the answer is just "we've played all the guitars we talk about" I'm going to kick you. ACTUALLY go to your houses and kick you.

That actually is the answer for about 80% of all guitars I've ever talked about.


Then I shall walk about 80% of the way to your house and kick whomever I find.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Nov 2007, 06:11
Have fun finding anybody to kick in the Atlantic, man.

I for one am a huge fan of Fenders. Hell, that Squier Bullet I've kept yapping over? It's got an amazing sound. If GarageBand wasn't so uppity with multitracking with this sound card (I should consider upgrading, heh), I'd be all over using nothing but my Bullet and GarageBand for an entire album.

This thread is now about how fucking radical GarageBand is with good hardware.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 29 Nov 2007, 07:51
:-D - it is tricky balancing both the ashtray and the highball glass on her asscheeks while you ram her

Incidentally, got my RG Prestige 7-string today. Fucker is THICK. Time to start learning some Pig Destroyer riffs.

 :laugh: I'm so proud of you Jeph!

Which model is it? Pics, or it didn't happen!

*RG1527*

I recorded a song (http://www.questionablecontent.net/FightingOffTheEmus.mp3) on it already!

Again, I'm proud of ya :) I almost bought one of those a while ago, kind of a shame that I didn't :/
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 29 Nov 2007, 09:18
:-D - it is tricky balancing both the ashtray and the highball glass on her asscheeks while you ram her

Incidentally, got my RG Prestige 7-string today. Fucker is THICK. Time to start learning some Pig Destroyer riffs.

 :laugh: I'm so proud of you Jeph!

Which model is it? Pics, or it didn't happen!

(http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/ibanez.jpg)

I recorded a song (http://www.questionablecontent.net/FightingOffTheEmus.mp3) on it already!

Wow, They made them in colours besides black?
Or is the light tricking me....
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 29 Nov 2007, 10:39
This thread is now about how fucking radical GarageBand is with good hardware.

Lies.

I run Garageband 2 on a Goddamned quad-core Mac Pro with 3gb of ram and the fucking thing STILL chugs and crashes on me.

One of these days I'm just gonna switch to Logic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Nov 2007, 11:36
Nah man, I'm talking the ORIGINAL GarageBand, none of this GarageBand 2 crap.

My comment from your LJ still stands though. Just use your amp's simulated speaker out/headphone jack as an input directly into your computer. Then you don't have to deal with any of that "Oh man I am getting SHIT sound and my computer is running slow as hell" crap from using the built-in software effect simulators.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 29 Nov 2007, 12:53
I never knew you could record with actual instruments using Garage Band...My parents said they would get me a laptap when I graduate high school.  I want an iBook, and now I know this, I'm putting Garage Band on it and recording a solo album (a la Kevin Drew)!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 29 Nov 2007, 14:32
Lies.

I run Garageband 2 on a Goddamned quad-core Mac Pro with 3gb of ram and the fucking thing STILL chugs and crashes on me.

One of these days I'm just gonna switch to Logic.

Firstly, jeph, it runs fine on my intel mac, and thats only 2.0ghz with 2 gig of ram. I have projects getting up to 16 tracks so far with no problems.

Like kimjong says, dont use those distortion models, they are shit, and either using an output from it/micing it up will give you a much better sound.
After all,you pay a lot for a decent sound, why not make use of it?

Also,turn any synth drum tracks into audio, it will speed up their processing.

I also read a while back that logic was being ditched by apple. And that it was making way for a new "protools killer" that was going to make use of a touch screen interface.
Or atleast that's what i heard...(apparently from the blog of one of the developers).

edit: so i just googled logic to try find that, and found that logic 8 was released in september.
looks like i was wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Nov 2007, 15:19
Yeah, seriously. Using the built-in effects is what's killing your performance. It's resource-chompy enough without any effects, and then you go up in there with amp simulation, EQ, reverb, and drum tracks, and all of a sudden you've got more than your hardware can deal with. It adds up really fast, especially in GarageBand 2 where they figured, "Nah, fuck it, they'll eventually have all the resources they need, let's just make this shit as detailed as we feel like."

It's the same problem that the game LockOn had. Brilliant in theory, but it was around 4 years before hardware finally caught up with it. It eventually almost killed the game entirely.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 29 Nov 2007, 16:51
Just use your amp's simulated speaker out/headphone jack as an input directly into your computer. Then you don't have to deal with any of that "Oh man I am getting SHIT sound and my computer is running slow as hell" crap from using the built-in software effect simulators.

No way dude, I have a MESA/Boogie and their direct outs suck ass in terms of speaker emulation.

I SHOULD just mic up the amp, but the point is that Garageband 1 ran FINE and GB 2 runs like SHIT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Nov 2007, 17:41
I would offer my install CD but I highly doubt you'd ever give your shipping address to a total stranger in Albania.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 29 Nov 2007, 19:55
Guys, here's my baby.  She's a Dano U-1 Re-issue, of an unknown vintage.  She is PURPLE.

(http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7050/dsc00073tm7.jpg)

(http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2083/dsc00076gb1.jpg)

I need to get some new strings and probably get a setup done.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 29 Nov 2007, 21:03
That is a really neat guitar.  I guess Danelectro goes for a simple approach to their guitars.  How does it sound?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 29 Nov 2007, 21:30
Well, they were originally cheap ass guitars sold at Sears with an amp-in-case combo. They weren't stylistically minimal so much as efficient, cheap starter guitars.

Then the designs stuck and those vintage ones are popular now so they've kept it going with reissues.

Gorgeous guitar, mate. I've been itching to get my hands on a Dano for a while.

Also, does anyone know where I can get my hands on a Vox Teardrop or reliable reissue?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 29 Nov 2007, 21:31
So, it sounds like shit?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 29 Nov 2007, 21:41
No, that is why vintage cheap ass guitars are now popular and not cheap at all.

Because they sounded and still sound great for cheap guitars.

Somehow I doubt Squier Bullets will be collectors items in 30 years.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 30 Nov 2007, 03:48
I have yet to really put it through its paces tone-wise, but my initial impressions are good.  With the volume and tone turned all the way up it sounds somewhat like a Tele, but it is subtly different, a little more treble bite and ring to it maybe.  It definitely sounds better than most other guitars that you're going to get for $180 though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: SilentJ on 30 Nov 2007, 04:42
Is that thing as small as it looks in those pictures?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Nov 2007, 04:59
Somehow I doubt Squier Bullets will be collectors items in 30 years.

Hah, I bet that's what the people at Danelectro, Airline, Kay and Silvertone all said 40 years ago. Then a bunch of people got famous and started using the, and now all of a sudden the market's being flooded with reissues out of the ass.

Hey Jeph, I found you something.
http://store.retrosoftware.net/15190.html

iLife '05. I'm fairly new to Macs, so I don't know if it'll just auto-install everything (thus killing all your more current iLife apps) or if it'll let you pick and choose what you want, but hell, I honestly think it'd be well worth the trouble.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 30 Nov 2007, 13:22
Sorry, Kim.  I won't do it again. 

If Squier bullets become classics, it seems like that means the quality of current issue, affordable guitars will just continue to decrease.  That would be sad. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 30 Nov 2007, 17:08
Is that thing as small as it looks in those pictures?

It's a pretty small guitar, but it may be exaggerated by the photographs.  It's also really really light-weight, because it's a chambered body, and is mostly hollow inside.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 30 Nov 2007, 20:34
And it's made out of Masonite!

I am still astounded by how great Danos sound through a good tube amp. Someday I will buy an old Hiwatt half-stack and Boss Overdrive and Delay pedals just so I can pretend I am in the Poster Children.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 30 Nov 2007, 21:01
I was playing it today through my friend's vintage Bassman half-stack and I got an absolutely gorgeous clean tone.  I really want to try it distorted though, like super heavy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Dec 2007, 03:06
I am still astounded by how great Danos sound through a good tube amp. Someday I will buy an old Hiwatt half-stack and Boss Overdrive and Delay pedals just so I can pretend I am in the Poster Children.

Man, this is one brand I've never been able to try firsthand other than my friend's rockin' old Dano bass (I think it was a '91? He doesn't use it much anymore 'cause alllll the electronics shit out on him).

If I do get one, though, it would probably be this one (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Danelectro-59-Dano-Electric-Guitar?sku=514243). I might do that with any moneyz from my Graduation Christmas Birthday (funny how people like to combine holidays and winter birthdays).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Dec 2007, 09:27
Hah, I bet that's what the people at Danelectro, Airline, Kay and Silvertone all said 40 years ago. Then a bunch of people got famous and started using the, and now all of a sudden the market's being flooded with reissues out of the ass.

Well, all of those WERE meant to be cheap alternatives to expensive professional instruments. However, they all had their own charms, which is the reason they're so popular.

Squier guitars are shit versions of guitars that are already way too popular.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 01 Dec 2007, 11:02
That '59 Dano is a classic.  Who wouldn't want one of those?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: monkandmovies13 on 01 Dec 2007, 19:15
This is mah bebe

http://www.zzounds.com/item--MRTDX1

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/monkandmovies13/Photo178.jpg)

I also have a mandolin

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u154/monkandmovies13/Photo216.jpg)

I have been promised a really really nice guitar in a few months, so I'm researching what I should get. Not sure if I want to try an electric or if I should just stick with a great acoustic.

I'll get a better mandolin eventually. I'm still learning some really basic stuff.

My goal is to learn every instrument ever invented. Next up is ukelele.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Dec 2007, 06:14
Maybe an HSS strat?

Fender's humbucking pickups suck ass.*

If you buy a Fender, it's worth spending extra for an American Deluxe model, and then worth spending even more extra to put a Seymour Duncan in if you've got a humbucker equipped model.

*All their new ones do, anyway. Old dual-humbucker Telecasters sound pretty sweet.

I dunno, the pickups on the '72 Reissue are pretty great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Dec 2007, 09:18
My goal is to learn every instrument ever invented. Next up is ukelele.

Go find a çifteli, they're way more obscure/badass than ukuleles.

Speaking of which, I should probably take a photo of mine. It's actually a total piece of shit and I'd be better off building an entire new one than perfecting the current one, but whatever.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Johnny C on 02 Dec 2007, 09:49
I disagree but that's because I once saw an absolutely incredible set by The Burning Hell that was played almost entirely on ukelele. It wound up like this this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAX1Qy6glI).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Dec 2007, 11:44
No. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6ZHUwaoE-Y)
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Post by: Johnny C on 02 Dec 2007, 12:32
That's not whimsical at all!
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Post by: monkandmovies13 on 02 Dec 2007, 12:40
I've never heard of a çifteli!

Now I really want one!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Dec 2007, 12:52
There's plenty of them in Kosovo, but only if you feel like getting your head blown off by pissed off Serbs. You could try Turkey.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 02 Dec 2007, 18:56
I think I will try to learn to play the Balalaika.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 03 Dec 2007, 14:18
I saw a balalaika group play a couple of months ago.  Pretty sweet.  The bass balalaika is a humongous monster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: casull on 03 Dec 2007, 21:15
IMMA BUY ME A GEETAR.

Yeah, so I'm probably going to go to about 1100 on this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=190179075357&Category=38083

If I don't get it, I'm probably picking up a new '72 reissue Tele deluxe. No idea regarding an amp.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 03 Dec 2007, 21:18
ASATs are AWESOME.

If I ever buy a straight Tele-style guitar it will be an ASAT Classic. They sound better than any Fender Tele I've ever played.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: casull on 03 Dec 2007, 21:30
mmm, glad you think so. I spent a good while hashing out what exactly I was looking for with a guitar-nerd friend. He's a strat nut, especially G&L. I can't afford one of these new, but he couldn't resist trying to get me to buy a G&L, so pointed me this direction.

Plus, the tremelo bridge is not terribly common :D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Dec 2007, 21:55
Those look like bass pickups almost.  But it's still an awesome looking guitar.

I disagree but that's because I once saw an absolutely incredible set by The Burning Hell that was played almost entirely on ukelele. It wound up like this this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zAX1Qy6glI).

That was awesome.  I really want a ukulele.  They sound so cool!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 03 Dec 2007, 22:45
G&L guitars are great. I have two balalaikas but don't play them much.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Dec 2007, 02:42
The last "let's copy Fender and make it more rad than the original" guitar I played was an ESP Strat copy. The only problem I had with it was the fact that it only had a 3-way switch instead of a 5-way. You could divebomb the heart and soul out of that thing. Naturally I played Van Halen and Dragonforce.

If it hadn't been for the $2000 price tag I'd have gone for that sucker.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Dec 2007, 08:52
I don't really like the tremolo on Stratocasters.  Mine goes out of tune if I use it a lot.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Dec 2007, 09:02
You've clearly never owned a Jaguar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Dec 2007, 09:28
Clearly neither of you have ever used either guitar with locking tuners.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Dec 2007, 09:56
You've clearly never owned a Jaguar.

You would be correct in presuming so.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 04 Dec 2007, 15:36
You've clearly never owned a Jaguar.

Despite what people say, I use my jag's trem a lot.
Surf Rock a lot.

And going out of tune is very rarely a problem, I'd say I had more of a problem with the trem on my strat copy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 04 Dec 2007, 17:33
My Jag is so sweet sounding - and believe it or not I use my trem a ton. 

Going out of tune is sometimes a problem, it's actually not that bad; the only thing I find annoying is the bridge adjusters going out and the buzz starting again.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 04 Dec 2007, 17:55
I have a JTK-1, but this http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-JTK2-Electric-Guitar?sku=519731 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-JTK2-Electric-Guitar?sku=519731) is pretty cool looking.  These are good guitars for their price, if anybody's looking for inexpensive and decent-sounding models.  The coil splitters are pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 04 Dec 2007, 19:41
I'm having trouble believing that's an Ibanez.

It looks more like an old Supro or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 04 Dec 2007, 19:45
IMMA BUY ME A GEETAR.

Yeah, so I'm probably going to go to about 1100 on this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=190179075357&Category=38083

If I don't get it, I'm probably picking up a new '72 reissue Tele deluxe. No idea regarding an amp.

Thoughts?

That is an absolutely gorgeous guitar, and the unique finish plus tremolo bridge make it even more awesome.  I wish you the best of luck on getting it.

Amp-wise: what kind of tones are you looking for?  I would look around your local music stores to see what they have, and see if you can find anything that you really are drawn to.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Dec 2007, 20:05
I'm having trouble believing that's an Ibanez.

It looks more like an old Supro or something.

Yeah, it's Ibanez's attempt to cash in on the whole White Stripes/indie rock ugly retro guitar thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 04 Dec 2007, 20:51
I don't know, I think they're pretty stylish as far as solids go.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Dec 2007, 21:19
A lot of really great, classic guitars are downright hideous when you really look at them.

Teles? Blocks of wood with the corners rounded off and a chunk cut out of the bottom.

Les Pauls? Goofy, midget ES-175s.

Firebirds? RDs? Explorers? What the fuck?

Don't even get me started on the Jackson Kelly, simultaneously the ugliest and sexiest guitar I can possibly imagine. Or the Warrior. Or anything made by BC Rich.

What I'm saying is that ugly almost never precludes badass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 04 Dec 2007, 21:44
I see what you mean.

And...

Since you brought up the Kelly, I think this one is dead sexy.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/cleric17/Guitars/jackson/Rising%20Sun/a00f_12.jpg (http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/cleric17/Guitars/jackson/Rising%20Sun/a00f_12.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 05 Dec 2007, 00:02
What I'm saying is that ugly almost never precludes badass.

(http://www.zoilus.com/documents/lemmy.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Dec 2007, 02:25
WIN!

I still hate the fact that I missed their gig last night :(
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 06:55
Jeph I think I will have to disagree with you on that whole "Les Pauls are ugly" thing. That body shape has always been really attractive to me, even before I had ever learned what it was or which badass people used it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Dec 2007, 07:01
Firebirds?

Gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeous.


Yes, I own a Firebird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 05 Dec 2007, 10:54
For me, attractiveness is often in the color and finish, more than the shape of the guitar.  I think a lot of Les Pauls, Telecasters, Stratocasters, etc. are kind of boring and plain, but then there are others I find completely gorgeous.   
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 13:20
Amen. Give me a Strat in arctic white and I'll be a happy man. Until I start lusting after another guitar, that is.

My infidelity with guitars may or may not be what keeps me single. It gives off a "bad vibe" or some other bullshit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Dec 2007, 14:00
SO WHAT STRING GAUGES DO YOU GUYS USE?!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 05 Dec 2007, 14:17
Teles? Blocks of wood with the corners rounded off and a chunk cut out of the bottom.
What I'm saying is that ugly almost never precludes badass.

Honestly, it's the ugly simplicity that makes me like Teles. And I thought you liked them anyway?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 14:53
(an inquiry in a font size that I am pretty sure is compensating for something else)

.010-.046 on my SG (I'm too lazy to adjust the bridge to 9-42s, tune-o-matics are kindof a bitch with bridge intonation), .009-.042 on my Bullet, .012-.056 on my Kay.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 05 Dec 2007, 15:51

[/quote]

Honestly, it's the ugly simplicity that makes me like Teles. And I thought you liked them anyway?
[/quote]

I am a HUGE believer in simplicity.  Whether its bass or guitar I plug them straight into amps with tone that I like and then LEAVE IT THE FUCK ALONE.  Footwsitch for distortion, maybe but not likely.  I haven't bought a bass in forever that wasn't just a meat and potatoes passive bass. 

As for strings- .45s on my basses, .12s on electric geet-ars and .11s on acoustic gee-tars. 

I go through phases on bass strings, but right now I use Ernie Ball super slinkys.  I tried DRs and they seem to go dead quickly, Markleys are too damned expensive for what you get, and boomers are OK in a pinch, but not quite as nice feeling or long lasting as Ernie Balls. 

For acoustics- Ernie Ball phosphor-bronze all the way.

For electrics, I actually normally go with the DRs or GHS boomers.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 05 Dec 2007, 16:30
Honestly, it's the ugly simplicity that makes me like Teles. And I thought you liked them anyway?

I'm pretty sure he already said that he thinks ugly guitars can be badass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 16:58
I love guitars that I think are kind of ugly. They're still rad. I've owned a Les Paul, I currently own a Firebird Studio.

I use .10-.48 strings I think? I forget. Whatever the "medium" gauge is. Although I may put .11s on my ESP since that thing stays tuned to drop-C all the time.

HEY EVERYBODY IT'S GUITAR STRING TALK TIME

I've tried a lot of different brands over the years but my favorites are still Ernie Ball. Elixirs are nice, but they're more expensive and prone to breaking.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 16:59
Playing .09s is admitting that you are a pussy
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 17:19
Playing .09s is admitting that you are a pussy

HAY F U N00B I HAET U
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 17:20
whatever, fag
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 05 Dec 2007, 17:22
I like .11 D'Addario
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 17:26
whatever, fag

 :x IMMA SEND AL MY FRIENDS TO KICK UR ASS OMFG U FUKKEN ASSHOEL
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 17:29
MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD

ALSO HE HAS A PRIVATE STOCK PRS IT IS SICK
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 17:31
O YEA MY DAD HAS A 1989 VAN HALEN
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Dec 2007, 17:33
Playing .09s is admitting that you are a pussy

HAY F U N00B I HAET U


Well, he IS right, Kim.

Personally, I'm currently using string from a danish company called Stringsite. The cool thing is, they let you put together your own combination of gauges, and it's dirt cheap.
I've had the strings on my Les Paul and my sevenstring for a few weeks now, they still sound totally new :O

For the Gibson, i rock a set going 11 14 20 30 42 52, and for the 7-string, I go with 10 13 17 30 42 52, then with a .65 bass string for the low B. It works extremely well.

I've used D'addario's in the past, and I've never really understood why anyone uses that brand. They don't last half as long as Ernie Balls, and they have zero brightness in their sound compared to other brands. Pretty much every brand out there whoops their ass completely on all fronts, but still SO many people use them?! I don't get it.

EDIT:

The Gibsons are tuned down a half step, the seven is kept in standard. I do not like floppy strings, and a lot strings tend to get floppy because of my picking attack. I've been known that pretty much any guitar buzz like hell, if it's set up for low action. That then means I have to use sorta high-ish action and heavy strings if I want a decent sound. No alternative for me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 17:37
a .65 bass string for the low B. It works extremely well.

I've been thinking about doing this since I got mine! It seems like the regular-gauge B string doesn't put out as much volume as the rest of the set. Adjusting the pickup pole-pieces helped, but with a 25.5" scale I bet a bass string would sound really tight, especially since I dropped the B down to an A.

(god I'm a nerd)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 17:45
Oh fine, Lummer, turn this conversation all serious. Punkass.

While I agree that if you're using .9s just so you can bend easier, my reason for using them is more of a sustain issue. The Bullet is what I use for my lead work in some of my original music (see: sig link), and when I'm doing certain higher-fret melodic lines (see again: sig link), I like the note to decay fairly quickly, around 6 seconds or so if I'm higher than fret 8.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 05 Dec 2007, 17:46
hi, i play .09 - .46

But then again, I like the twang in my stratocaster, and I'm thinking of changing to 0.09 - 0.42.

stop the hate on 0.09 kay?

At least intonation setting is eezy peezy japaneezy on the strat bridge.

If all goes well, I'll be soon posting pics of an amp which will make you salivate.


Some of you at least. One of you is prone to salivate at my amp and pedalboard. Perhaps a mild look of admiration? A glaze of acknlowledgement would suffice at this moment really.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 17:48
9s are for pansies

especially on strats

Stevie Ray Vaughn used fucking piano wire
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 05 Dec 2007, 17:50
hey... i resent that statement.


TAKE IT BACK.

I'm a suckah for peer pressure, so I might try 0.10.

But that's as far as I go.

Stevie Ray Vaughan was indeed the man though, he sure knew his business... 0.16 gauge sounds kinda extreme to me, but well, more props to him
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 17:53
Stevie Ray Vaughn used fucking piano wire[/i]

HE ALSO DIED IN A HELICOPTER CRASH. YOU BASTARD, STOP TRYING TO KILL ME
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 18:00
SHUT UP AND GET IN THE HELICOPTER GODDAMNIT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Dec 2007, 18:06
YOU FIRST
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 05 Dec 2007, 20:28
I use the heaviest gauge i can get on my jag, because the guy i bought it from said heavier strings keep the bridge from buzzing.
Meanwhile, my tiesco uses the lightest strings i could find, because it's ply, and the neck join is maybe 5mm thick.
I'm not picky about brand.

I like my strings old, not so old they rust, i take care of them to prevent that, but old none the less, maybe its because im a bassist

On my basses i use a light guage, something like 45-100.

Anyone here use flats on a guitar?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 05 Dec 2007, 20:38
I haven't used flats, but I'd like to on my guitar after next.  ;) 
Right now I use  11-49 on my standard tuning ax, and 14/14/28/28/38/38 on my funny stuff guitar.

I gotta get a new guitar, tho.  I'm starting lessons, so i need to get something to play righthanded so i don't confuse beginners.  I guess being ambidextrous aint that bad after all!  It's gotta be thin and audible unplugged, so I'm looking at getting some old low/no name archtop or semihollow.  Anyone have anything they'd like to let go?

P s, I'll post pics of mine as soon as I get em.  At least the tele I built.  <3

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 05 Dec 2007, 21:26
9s on Fenders and 10s on Gibsons.

i flew to Japan on a 777 and then Singapore on a 767, that was scary enough for me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: casull on 05 Dec 2007, 22:18
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=190179075357&Category=38083

10 minutes left zomg.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: casull on 05 Dec 2007, 22:31
HOLY SHIT $685!!! I was happy to pay almost twice that... $1600 new without the custom options, mint condition. YEAAHHHH
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 Dec 2007, 22:48
Nice. Grats man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Dec 2007, 23:28
Good buy!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 06 Dec 2007, 01:05
a .65 bass string for the low B. It works extremely well.

I've been thinking about doing this since I got mine! It seems like the regular-gauge B string doesn't put out as much volume as the rest of the set. Adjusting the pickup pole-pieces helped, but with a 25.5" scale I bet a bass string would sound really tight, especially since I dropped the B down to an A.

(god I'm a nerd)

The Gauge on the low B has always been total science, really. You have to find the right balance.
For instance; if it's to thick, it'll sound all woofy and muddy. If you have it too thin, it'll buzz and flop like there's no tomorrow.

First of all though, and I believe you've heard this a squillion times before, change the pickups!
Stock pickups in recent day Ibanez models have been known to be less than impressive, although with sufficient tweaking of the rest of your gear you can make it sound cool.
I for one, managed to squeeze a fairly decent out of an RG7321 i used to own.

I used a POD Xt, directly into the computer, and I nailed a pretty cool Meshuggah "Nothing"-style tone.
This can be heard, here:

http://download.yousendit.com/D472737A432BD329 (http://download.yousendit.com/D472737A432BD329)

The guitar was tuned down 1 1/2 step for that clip, by using a regular set of .12's, plus the .65
I had bundles of fun with that tuning  :evil:

That said, I would think that a .60 low B would be the absolute minimum, for dropped A. I don't quite know how the string tension feels on an RG1527, it's fairly loose on S7420, which is why I upped the gauges, but it was a little tighter on the RG7321. I don't know if it was the fixed bridge or what.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Dec 2007, 02:12
Also, a longer scale length probably would help. Get a 28" and stop being such a little girl, JEPH
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Dec 2007, 05:30
Playing .09s is admitting that you are a pussy

When I was in high school, a kid called me a pussy for playing .10s.

Right now, I'm using GHS Boomers, .12-.52. I keep my Firebird in D standard, so it works pretty well. Used to play Ernie Balls, both .10-.48 and .10-.52, but they broke way too often for me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: yossarian07 on 06 Dec 2007, 08:42
(http://www.zikinf.com/_gfx/matos/dyn/large/c736d71113b544735d9390d01f81a6d3.jpg)
I currently rock one of these.
If i ever get around to getting another one I'm thinking about getting a tele and swapping out the pickups for some nice Lace Sensors.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Dec 2007, 08:59
What's wrong with using 9s? I just use 9s because I've trained my fingers to be strong enough that I bend entire chords. It's a major part of my technique now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 06 Dec 2007, 10:02
What's wrong with using 9s? I just use 9s because I've trained my fingers to be strong enough that I bend entire chords. It's a major part of my technique now.
11s don't break nearly as often, sound drastically better, and are maaaybe two weeks harder to bend multiple strings. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Dec 2007, 10:17
What's wrong with using 9s? I just use 9s because I've trained my fingers to be strong enough that I bend entire chords. It's a major part of my technique now.
11s don't break nearly as often, sound drastically better, and are maaaybe two weeks harder to bend multiple strings. 

I hardly break strings anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 06 Dec 2007, 10:34
What's wrong with using 9s? I just use 9s because I've trained my fingers to be strong enough that I bend entire chords. It's a major part of my technique now.
11s don't break nearly as often, sound drastically better, and are maaaybe two weeks harder to bend multiple strings. 

I hardly break strings anyway.

UR GAY!!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Dec 2007, 11:09
I'm gonna have to agree with Lummer there, Gaz. If you're not breaking your 9s once every 2 hours, you're a pussy.

And you know enough about my personal life to make that really mean something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Dec 2007, 11:44
I hardly break strings anyway.

Whatever you say, Rivers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 06 Dec 2007, 15:24
.09s !?  I knew they made them, I just didn't know people actually played them.  Those must be some dainty fingers ya got there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 06 Dec 2007, 19:48
oh shit guys it's the dude from Nickelback
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 06 Dec 2007, 19:56
I say we kill him!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 06 Dec 2007, 19:59
The Gauge on the low B has always been total science, really. You have to find the right balance.
For instance; if it's to thick, it'll sound all woofy and muddy. If you have it too thin, it'll buzz and flop like there's no tomorrow.

First of all though, and I believe you've heard this a squillion times before, change the pickups!
Stock pickups in recent day Ibanez models have been known to be less than impressive, although with sufficient tweaking of the rest of your gear you can make it sound cool.
I for one, managed to squeeze a fairly decent out of an RG7321 i used to own.

That said, I would think that a .60 low B would be the absolute minimum, for dropped A. I don't quite know how the string tension feels on an RG1527, it's fairly loose on S7420, which is why I upped the gauges, but it was a little tighter on the RG7321. I don't know if it was the fixed bridge or what.

Yeah, I definitely need a different bridge pickup in there. I actually like IBZ neck pickups, but I'll probably toss a JB or a Custom in the bridge when I find time.

String tension is pretty much normal for a fender-scale guitar, since every other string is in standard tuning. I think I'll mess around with the string gauge on the B when I put in the new pickup, since I'll have to take the strings off for that anyway.

The polepiece adjustment DID help, though. This (http://www.questionablecontent.net/inprogress.mp3) is what I've been working on lately and I'm a lot happier with the string balance on it. And yeah there's a total Meshuggah ripoff riff in there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 06 Dec 2007, 21:13
What's wrong with using 9s? I just use 9s because I've trained my fingers to be strong enough that I bend entire chords. It's a major part of my technique now.
11s don't break nearly as often, sound drastically better, and are maaaybe two weeks harder to bend multiple strings. 

I hardly break strings anyway.
Hardly? 
Sucks to be you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 06 Dec 2007, 21:19
My brother paired the cheapest, crappiest bass with the heaviest strings he could find for years. He got a Geddy Lee jazz bass recently and put some "light" strings on it and it's ridiculous how much better he sounds now... although he still practices on the POS bass with the stupidly thick neck. I guess there's something to be said for practicing in way worse conditions than you actually play under. His finger strength is disgusting now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: yossarian07 on 07 Dec 2007, 00:08
I play 9's (ernie ball slinkies are my favorites) . My guitar is set up to use that gauge so if I wanted to play anything diffrent I would have to get the neck adjusted.
I break strings a lot, but I like the twangy sound I get out of the ligher strings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Dec 2007, 07:29
but I'll probably toss a JB

JAILBAIT THREAD GOGOGOGOGOGOGO

In not-fucking-around news, the only way you can play 9s and not be considered a complete and total LITTLE GIRL is to use this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ernie-Ball-2253-Super-Slinky-Pure-Nickel-Electric-Guitar-Strings?sku=100642) specific set of 9s.

I guess there's something to be said for practicing in way worse conditions than you actually play under. His finger strength is disgusting now.

Agreed. My Kay (the '53) has the action set literally 3x as high as my dad's '37 Kay, and every time I play the '37... shit, it's like I was used to slicing frozen butter with a VCR, and then transitioning to slicing thawed butter with a straight razor.
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Post by: valley_parade on 07 Dec 2007, 07:34
Pat, that's easily the worst metaphor I've ever seen. Slicing butter with a VCR?
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Dec 2007, 07:45
You haven't played a guitar with 1/8" action, 12-54 brass-wound steel strings, and a 25" scale length?
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Post by: valley_parade on 07 Dec 2007, 07:52
Vaugely, and the neck was warped. I just found it incredibly annoying.
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Post by: Thrillho on 07 Dec 2007, 09:24
I'm sorry, so why exactly is one a pussy for not snapping strings? I prefer the sound of older strings to new ones. New ones are too bright. Plus, I tend to have strings from different packs on my guitar at once. It makes for slightly different tones.

And KimJongSick, ya muthaphuqqing prick - I'm not taking any shit from you. You currently have at least -3 penises and -9 testicles.
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Post by: valley_parade on 07 Dec 2007, 09:27
I'll agree with you on the old strings part. Generally I play mine until they get rusty. And then about another week or so after that.
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Dec 2007, 10:02
You currently have at least -3 penises and -9 testicles.

This is why you should start using REAL MAN strings. If even my pathetic ass can use REAL MAN strings (I've been known to use 12s on my Les Paul copy) then you can use REAL MAN strings.
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Post by: Chad K. on 07 Dec 2007, 10:39
oh shit guys it's the dude from Nickelback

Michael Bolton: Yeah, well at least your name isn't Michael Bolton.
Samir: You know there's nothing wrong with that name.
Michael Bolton: There was nothing wrong with it... until I was about 12 years old and that no-talent ass clown became famous and started winning Grammys.
Samir: Hmm... well why don't you just go by Mike instead of Michael?
Michael Bolton: No way. Why should I change? He's the one who sucks.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 07 Dec 2007, 10:53
You currently have at least -3 penises and -9 testicles.

This is why you should start using REAL MAN strings. If even my pathetic ass can use REAL MAN strings (I've been known to use 12s on my Les Paul copy) then you can use REAL MAN strings.

Fuck straight off, Patrick. I'm going to start using 14s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 07 Dec 2007, 11:05
I use D'Addario EJ22's on my guitar. (13, 17, 26w, 36, 46, 56).
I'm also tuned down to C#.
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Dec 2007, 11:09
Downtuning = release of tension = not nearly as REAL MAN as tuning to standard E with 13s.

Also: FUCK YOU BOTH, SHANE AND JEPH, I'M GOING TO START USING ANCHOR CHAINS
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 07 Dec 2007, 11:29
A set of 13's tuned to C# would have very snappy tension on pretty much any axe.

Personally, i really prefer the whole light top/heavy bottom thing. Works perfectly for me!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 07 Dec 2007, 12:15
Yeah, well I'm going to start murdering people, around six, maybe seven if I need a spare, and cutting off their dicks and using THEM as strings because I'm that hardcore!

Or something.
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Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 07 Dec 2007, 17:31
because I'm that hardcore! creepy.
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Dec 2007, 17:34
because I'm that hardcore! creepy FUCKING METAL.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 07 Dec 2007, 19:15
I'm gonna try .11s tuned to standard.

I'm going to gauge my eyes off when these break ain't I?




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Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Dec 2007, 22:11
Don't worry about elevens, dude.  They are pretty light.


Sometimes, if I have an extra set, I'll just go after them with a pocketknife to hear the broken string scrape against my pickups.   Of course, I'm crazy. 
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Post by: CarpeNoctem on 09 Dec 2007, 01:11
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p312/JERMDADDY/Epiphone%20Archtop/SheratonIIArchtopebony.jpg)
^^^My baby.

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/7/7/499377.jpg)
^^^My baby soon-to-be.

I swear, I love hollowbodies so damn much. I'm a convert for life.
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Dec 2007, 04:39
I hate you so goddamn much right now. I love Sheratons.
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Post by: Thrillho on 09 Dec 2007, 07:19
Don't worry about elevens, dude.  They are pretty light.

What kind of bullshit pissing contest has this thread turned into?
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Dec 2007, 07:30
Let's talk about necks.

I can't play classical nylon-strung acoustics because the neck is so damned wide and I can't friggin' handle that inward-curved fretboard. I have long fingers but I'm so used to necks the width of my electrics that it's nigh impossible for me to play those damn things.

I also prefer the 24.74" scale length because I don't like a whole lot of sustain, as I've mentioned before. I can reach just fine on a 25.5 but it sustains too long for my liking.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Dec 2007, 07:31
Sheratons in black are perfect. Dear god.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 09 Dec 2007, 09:26
So, I just changed my strat from 009ers to 011 to give it a try, and the bridge suddenly lifted a whole bunch. I like the playability a lot more, but is this freaking normal?

I tuned it, the intonation as well, still lifted a lot more than it was when I was using 009. I know the tension is a lot harder, and whatnot, but I don't think this is normal, and I'm afraid to get hit smack with the bridge in the face while playing it.

Also, I'm scared to use tremolo now.
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Dec 2007, 10:11
Man, I am posting in here a hell of a lot.

Just open up the plate in the back and tighten the screws that hold the spring plate. That should help get your bridge back to normal.

I should also suggest adding a couple of springs to the tremolo once you do that, and then re-adjust the spring plate, just so you don't overstress the springs you've got (most stock Strats only have 3 installed at purchase).
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Post by: CarpeNoctem on 09 Dec 2007, 14:00
Sheratons in black are perfect. Dear god.
I hate you so goddamn much right now. I love Sheratons.

I know. It sounds glorious. When I bought it (it was only like, $550) I got to play one of the $2000something Gibsons, and to be honest there wasn't a huge difference. Mostly electronics.
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Post by: Tehz on 09 Dec 2007, 14:37
Anyone have any experience with Gibson Marauders (Wikipedia it if you don't know)?

I see them going for wicked cheap on eBay all the time, and they look pretty badass, but I'd like to hear some opinions before I make any decisions.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 09 Dec 2007, 15:53
(http://i4.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/c8/4a/a8d4_12.JPG)

*gleee*

most recent purchase! Can't wait to put my hands on it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Dec 2007, 16:04
Herm...I'm not a huge fan of Fender amps, but the more I play with it, the more my Fender FM 212DSP grows on me.  I played with the amp modeler, and the bass, middle, and trebels and got it to sound pretty damn good, in my opinion.  The amp I have it set to model is one of the seven or so British tube models.

Which one is that?
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 09 Dec 2007, 16:32
Fender Pro Reverb, dated 1979, 70w pure tubes baby.

It's freaking sweet and I want to make sweet love to it all night long.

I'll get some pics once UPS decide to deliver it. In the next YEAR or so.
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Post by: jeph on 09 Dec 2007, 17:58
Nice! Silverface Fender combos are really underrated.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 09 Dec 2007, 20:16
I think my friend has an old Epi Sheraton in red.  This same friend has a silverface Bassman half-stack he leaves in my basement.  He also recently received the following as a gift (he plays bass and guitar):

(http://www.longbowbass.com/Portals/1/lbg04b.jpg)

More info. (http://www.longbowbass.com/)
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Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 09 Dec 2007, 21:30
That's a cool looking bass.  I really want to get an upright.  So versatile.
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Post by: Ballard on 09 Dec 2007, 21:54
Wow, that's one weird bass. I checked their site out, and they seem totally for real. I can't quite see what the point is, though, and their FAQ doesn't cover that. Usually companies that make weird shit do so because they think it is better somehow or optimal for certain players.
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Post by: FireAarro on 09 Dec 2007, 23:12
Cool bass, but $395? A bit much for a stick with tuners, bridge, pickups and a couple of output jacks.

I use .011-.052 on my Jaguar, .010-.049 on my Jazzmaster right now but will probably put .011s on that too. I'm deciding between .010s and .011 for my Casino. On bass I like .045-.105, .135 for the B string if I remember right. I use D'Addario XLs for everything, haven't tried other guitar strings but have tried other bass brands (DRs, TI Flats) and not liking them. I too like my strings slightly dead.
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Post by: godinpants on 09 Dec 2007, 23:48
*longbow bass*
More info. (http://www.longbowbass.com/)

I prefer krappy guitars (http://www.krappyguitars.com/)

They make some with bodies too.
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Post by: valley_parade on 10 Dec 2007, 05:38
Cool bass, but $395? A bit much for a stick with tuners, bridge, pickups and a couple of output jacks.

I use .011-.052 on my Jaguar, .010-.049 on my Jazzmaster right now but will probably put .011s on that too


You have a Jag and a Jazzmaster? JEALOUS.
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Post by: Patrick on 10 Dec 2007, 06:36
I was about to say the same thing, but with more use of the word "bastard".
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Post by: StaedlerMars on 10 Dec 2007, 07:01
So I'm looking for a new guitar/amp.

I currently have a Yamaha beginner's pack (EG 112 with with a GA-10 amp), which have lasted me 6 years. The guitar is starting to get a twang I don't quite like, and the amp is starting to buzz at lower and higher volumes. I don't ask for much in way of quality, but it's starting to become a bit annoying.

My budget is fairly tight/ I don't know all that much about guitars (six strings, neck, body, pickups), or amps(sound -> more sound).

Any suggestions? What should I be looking for? Are these danelectros worth looking into?
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Post by: valley_parade on 10 Dec 2007, 07:10
Danos have a very specific sound, but at the price the reissues are selling for (about $250), why not get one?

How big of an amp are you looking for/what do you play?
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Post by: StaedlerMars on 10 Dec 2007, 13:46
I'm not planning any shows any time soon, so the amp doesn't have to be big, just something with a decent sound that I can hear in my room. In fact, if I get a new guitar, I'm probably not going to be able to get a new amp for a while.

I play a bunch of everything, but if I'm just jamming I end up playing surf - or stuff that sounds like it. Not much gain, melodic, pretty distinct notes.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Dec 2007, 13:59
I might be being a bit hypocritical here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say a small Fender might do nicely for that.  Especially one of the tube ones.  Like a DeVille or something.  I don't know, it's just a thought.  I kind of liked the clean and dirty tones you could get out of them.
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Post by: Ballard on 10 Dec 2007, 14:20
I can't stress enough- spend as much as you can on the amp. A lot of people save up for nice guitars and settle for shitty amps, and get shitty tone as a result.

Your Yamaha through a nice amp will sound loads better than a Dano through your little practice amp.

I second the Fender Hot Rod DeVille or Deluxe suggestion. They are somewhat muddy at hi-gain settings but for the kind of music you described, they are perfect. Also if you later decide to play shows, they have more than enough power for you to use them on stage.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 10 Dec 2007, 14:22
Sadly, the cheapest tube fender is $200 new.  And that's for a 5w practice amp.  If you are really on a tight budget, but need something new, I suggest you look at a Kustom Tube 12A Practice amp (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Kustom-Tube-12A-Practice-Amp?sku=481230).  It's solid state, but it has a tube pre-amp, and I've heard some very good things about it. 

As far as guitars go, I really have to vote for looking for a used or new Danoelectro re-issue.  For their quality they are DIRT cheap.  Mine was $180, and it plays and sounds great.  New they run for about $250, but do some snooping around at your local music stores (aka not Guitar Center) and see if you can find some.  Also, from what you said about what you like to play, a Dano sounds about right.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Dec 2007, 14:30
I don't trust companies that replace "c" with "k" to sound cooler. They are up to something.
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Post by: FireAarro on 10 Dec 2007, 15:32
I might be being a bit hypocritical here, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say a small Fender might do nicely for that.  Especially one of the tube ones.  Like a DeVille or something.  I don't know, it's just a thought.  I kind of liked the clean and dirty tones you could get out of them.

The DeVille, at 60 watts is the biggest cat in the Hot Rod series and is hardly a small tube amp. In fact, it is often too damn loud.

I don't think you should get a Danelectro, personally. I wouldn't have one as my only guitar, they are fairly special things with lots of quirks. (Do the new ones have truss rods?) They feel about as cheap as they look, even though they sound great. Though I think the new ones have adjustable bridges which is a plus over the old wooden things they used to use...

If you can give us a better idea of your budget we'll be able to make better suggestions.

I also agree with Ballard on getting a nice amp. Anything through your amp will probably sound crap. Having said that I do have this tiny solid state bass practice combo which was my first amp ever which I enjoy playing guitar through.
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Post by: Patrick on 10 Dec 2007, 15:39
I stomped the everliving FUCK out of my first amp. It was a Johnson RepTone 15, a little 15w solid-state job. Made out of masonite, didn't last long. It seriously took like 2 kicks from some running shoes and it was already well beyond repair.

But damn it sounded good before it became so shitty as to warrant my rock star rampage.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 10 Dec 2007, 15:41
I'd like to put in a good word for the Ibanez Valbee.

Very nice-sounding little valve amp.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 10 Dec 2007, 19:04
I absolutely wish I could run an Orange Tiny Terror to one of those Orange 1x12 cabs.  I played my Dano through that setup before I bought it and I basically was in heaven.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Dec 2007, 20:58
I wish Orange amps weren't so god damned expensive.  I'd possibly get one if they were relatively affordable.

The DeVille, at 60 watts is the biggest cat in the Hot Rod series and is hardly a small tube amp. In fact, it is often too damn loud.

It's relatively small, when you think about it.  I play a 100 Watt Fender amp in my room, and that works fine.  I mean, there are some Krank cabs that go up to like, 1000 watts or something utterly ridiculous like that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 10 Dec 2007, 21:50
The guitar is starting to get a twang I don't quite like,
I end up playing surf
a twang I don't quite like
surf

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 10 Dec 2007, 21:51
I can't stress enough- spend as much as you can on the amp. A lot of people save up for nice guitars and settle for shitty amps, and get shitty tone as a result.

Agreed. In all honesty, if I had been smart, I would have spent half the money I did on my Ibanez and taken the extra few hundred and plowed it into a solid li'l pratice amp. As it stands now I basically swipe my brother's gear for as long as I can get away with it. Ah well, at least it's bought me some time to figure out what I'm looking for before I really commit some dollars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Dec 2007, 21:58
I wish Orange amps weren't so god damned expensive.  I'd possibly get one if they were relatively affordable.

The DeVille, at 60 watts is the biggest cat in the Hot Rod series and is hardly a small tube amp. In fact, it is often too damn loud.

It's relatively small, when you think about it.  I play a 100 Watt Fender amp in my room, and that works fine.  I mean, there are some Krank cabs that go up to like, 1000 watts or something utterly ridiculous like that.

I have a 50 watt Mesa/Boogie combo and the goddamned thing is SO LOUD I only ever needed to turn the master up to 5 when playing with my friend (who is the loudest drummer I've ever played with).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Dec 2007, 01:41
Shane recently showed me a Fender amp that was something like 2500w, I think it was. It came with 25 sets of earplugs. Shane, help me on the specifics here.

During testing of this godforsaken monster at full volume, they set off car and building alarms and the police came banging on their door wondering what the fuck was going on. I am pretty sure you can get all kinds of feedback from that beastly creation.

Also my 1x12 100w Marshall combo has been known to rattle the windows across the street.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 11 Dec 2007, 02:05
I wish Orange amps weren't so god damned expensive.  I'd possibly get one if they were relatively affordable.

The DeVille, at 60 watts is the biggest cat in the Hot Rod series and is hardly a small tube amp. In fact, it is often too damn loud.

It's relatively small, when you think about it.  I play a 100 Watt Fender amp in my room, and that works fine.  I mean, there are some Krank cabs that go up to like, 1000 watts or something utterly ridiculous like that.

What's your amp?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 11 Dec 2007, 02:50
I wish Orange amps weren't so god damned expensive.  I'd possibly get one if they were relatively affordable.

The DeVille, at 60 watts is the biggest cat in the Hot Rod series and is hardly a small tube amp. In fact, it is often too damn loud.

It's relatively small, when you think about it.  I play a 100 Watt Fender amp in my room, and that works fine.  I mean, there are some Krank cabs that go up to like, 1000 watts or something utterly ridiculous like that.


Alas, if I remember correctly your Fender is Frontman Series aye?

60Watts tube power is enough to mow down the lawn if you turn it in 6, tear down a brick wall on 8, and kill small rodents on 9.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: StaedlerMars on 11 Dec 2007, 03:37
The guitar is starting to get a twang I don't quite like,

Trust me, no good twang.

Your Yamaha through a nice amp will sound loads better than a Dano through your little practice amp.

OK

Quote
I second the Fender Hot Rod DeVille or Deluxe suggestion. They are somewhat muddy at hi-gain settings but for the kind of music you described, they are perfect. Also if you later decide to play shows, they have more than enough power for you to use them on stage.

It upsets me that the list price for those Fenders is about 500 - 650 quid = 1000 - 1300 dollars (on google search anyway)

However, on craigslist I saw some for 400 dollars, which makes me happy, cause that's basically my budget.

My biggest problem with a big amp (sizewise) is that I do a lot of traveling, and If I were to get one in NY, where it would be considerably cheaper, I would have to ship it to the UK, and still 'need' to have an amp in NY. So I'm guessing I'm looking for a smaller amp that's of decent quality.
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Post by: FireAarro on 11 Dec 2007, 03:54
I wish Orange amps weren't so god damned expensive.  I'd possibly get one if they were relatively affordable.

The DeVille, at 60 watts is the biggest cat in the Hot Rod series and is hardly a small tube amp. In fact, it is often too damn loud.

It's relatively small, when you think about it.  I play a 100 Watt Fender amp in my room, and that works fine.  I mean, there are some Krank cabs that go up to like, 1000 watts or something utterly ridiculous like that.


Alas, if I remember correctly your Fender is Frontman Series aye?

60Watts tube power is enough to mow down the lawn if you turn it in 6, tear down a brick wall on 8, and kill small rodents on 9.

If his amp is a solid state that explains it. Solid state amps are basically maxed out at the rated wattage, and clip hard if pushed beyond. Tube power stages just start to break up there and can be cranked a fair bit more depending how dirty don't mind getting.

How small are you looking at, Staedler?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Dec 2007, 05:27
Shane recently showed me a Fender amp that was something like 2500w, I think it was. It came with 25 sets of earplugs. Shane, help me on the specifics here.

Fender Metalhead. 550 watts.
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Post by: Patrick on 11 Dec 2007, 06:45
Jesus! Only 550? Man my memory sucks.

...holy shit it would be AWESOME to use a 2500w rig.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 11 Dec 2007, 07:50
Get on ebay- look up an old Music Man 2x12 combo.  Realize you're getting a classic Fender tube amp by Leo himself for like $400-$500 without the Fender nameplate.  Go home happy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Dec 2007, 07:54
Jesus man, quote tunnels...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 11 Dec 2007, 08:48
Shane recently showed me a Fender amp that was something like 2500w, I think it was. It came with 25 sets of earplugs. Shane, help me on the specifics here.

Fender Metalhead. 550 watts.

Which is still solid state.

Ie. utterly useless.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Dec 2007, 11:52
I'm a little weary about it just because Fender's trying to do something metal-related.

Myself? Gonna get an AC-15. Eventually. *crosses fingers*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Dec 2007, 12:42
I would fuck a walrus if it meant getting an AC30 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Vox-AC30CC2-30W-2x12-Custom-Classic-Combo?sku=482620) and a 2x12 cabinet. I played my SG through an AC100 head + 4x12 cabinet in a store in mid-September and it really tested how well my parents potty trained me as a child. That thing was VICIOUS, man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 12 Dec 2007, 01:37
since i don't know how to post pictures on a forum cuz i'm hot smart like that i'll tell you the guitars i have:


my prized possession is my gibson firebird VII reissue

i also have a Fender telecaster - maplewood which is the baby i learned on all those many years ago
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: StaedlerMars on 12 Dec 2007, 03:55
How small are you looking at, Staedler?

If it fits in a suitcase with room to spare for some clothes and it doesn't weigh a ton I'll be happy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 12 Dec 2007, 08:38
How small are you looking at, Staedler?

If it fits in a suitcase with room to spare for some clothes and it doesn't weigh a ton I'll be happy.

It's way more than $400, but my guitar player plays this - http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM06/Content/Fender/PR/Jazzmaster-Ultralight.html  It sounds absolutely incredible, it's tiny as hell, and is louder than his silverface.  Damn cool amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 12 Dec 2007, 22:41
Quote
the Jazzmaster Ultralight offers an incredible 250 Watts of sparkly clean Fender solid-state tone, with effects that have been voiced specifically for jazz guitar.

Nope, definitely not Nickelback.
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Post by: jeph on 12 Dec 2007, 23:01
Now I want to hear a bossa nova cover of "This Is How You Remind Me."
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Post by: Ballard on 12 Dec 2007, 23:05
Good god I wish I had the equipment to do this right now.
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Post by: Patrick on 12 Dec 2007, 23:37
Bossa nova requires a lot more use of maj6 chords than anybody in Nickelback is capable of. Hate to disappoint you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 12 Dec 2007, 23:39
Now I want to hear a Nickelback song with the maj6th overdubbed on top of everything. Just that one note.

"[CLONK] This is how [CLONK] you remind [CLONK] me"
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Post by: Patrick on 12 Dec 2007, 23:41
Just punch a goose at random intervals while listening to the song.
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Post by: Ballard on 12 Dec 2007, 23:58
Just punch a goose at random intervals while listening to the song.

There is something inherently wrong with this idea.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 13 Dec 2007, 00:09
Just punch a goose at random intervals while listening to the song.

There is nothing inherently wrong with this idea.

Geese are jerks.
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Post by: Patrick on 13 Dec 2007, 00:21
I remember my mom and I were on the Autobahn and all of a sudden I see this flight of 2 geese. All of a sudden, THUNK, we hit one of them at 90mph. I laughed really hard when I learned they mate for life and I am pretty sure this thread seals my fate as a bastard/non PETA member.

I'm going to laugh every time I hear a Nickelback song now.
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Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2007, 00:23
Sounds like a Lifetime movie. 'cept you left out the female goose's crippling heroin addiction and struggle to rise above her problems.
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Post by: Tehz on 13 Dec 2007, 03:21
You just described every Lifetime movie ever made.




Wait, this is the Guitar Topic?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2007, 03:30
Seriously.

LESS YAPPING MORE FAPPING (http://www.pmblues.com/product_pics/98c.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 13 Dec 2007, 03:35
Gross.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 13 Dec 2007, 04:07
Fapping?

(http://www.otheroom.com/namm06/images/guitars/curry-bass.jpg)

I know it's not exactly a universally aesthetically pleasing design but goddamn does it look like something that should make fucking ludicrously good music in the hands of the right person.  Maybe if Bruce Wayne's parents hadn't died and he became a rock star?
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Post by: FireAarro on 13 Dec 2007, 04:17
Fapping?

(http://www.otheroom.com/namm06/images/guitars/curry-bass.jpg)

I know it's not exactly a universally aesthetically pleasing design but goddamn does it look like something that should make fucking ludicrously good music in the hands of the right person.  Maybe if Bruce Wayne's parents hadn't died and he became a rock star?

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/09/04/science/04obse.crab.600.jpg)

I like it better than the dragon thing. The upper horn is a bit much though.
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Post by: SilentJ on 13 Dec 2007, 05:05
JESUS LAMARCK WAS RIGHT

...*cough*

I think for my next guitar I want something like this. (http://www.seagullguitars.com/productperformerfolkcwgt.htm)

Mmmm, Seagull.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2007, 05:07
I love Seagulls but that is one hell of an awkward cutaway.
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 13 Dec 2007, 05:27
If you are playing that high on an acoustic YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2007, 05:31
It's like, a fucking right angle.
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Post by: Thrillho on 13 Dec 2007, 05:36
Just punch a goose at random intervals while listening to the song.

There is nothing inherently wrong with this idea.

Geese are jerks.

I think you were misunderstanding  which part he took exception to.
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Post by: Lummer on 13 Dec 2007, 10:16
I PLAY MEGADETH RIFF FOR YOU!!

http://download.yousendit.com/AAC3F8DF6181F8CB
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Post by: Patrick on 13 Dec 2007, 10:40
I never really liked that PRS Dragon. I do like the fact that it's got the 2vol and 2tone pots though, quite a nice departure for the 1vol1ton that PRS likes to dick around with.
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Post by: Chad K. on 13 Dec 2007, 13:08
Now I want to hear a bossa nova cover of "This Is How You Remind Me."

Done.  Well, actually its just those lyrics set to "Girl From Ipanema," but I think Jobim's almost as much of a bastard as those Nickelback folks, so the combination was a natural.
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Post by: Patrick on 13 Dec 2007, 14:42
Fuck everybody who hates Squiers, my Bullet will fucking destroy any of you people's guitars. Even that filthy man Jeph Jacques cannot win the badass guitar contest against this thing.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2562.jpg)

FUCK YEAH MOTHERFUCKER
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Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2007, 17:43
That Squier looks like it's been through a zombie apocalypse.

Did you somehow find a natural finish Squier or did you strip the paint?
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Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Dec 2007, 20:55
Kim, I love your guitar.  But, I have to be honest, the McDonald's sticker brings the whole thing down.
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Post by: Ballard on 13 Dec 2007, 20:58
Yeah, it does. An OBEY sticker would do well on top of it.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Dec 2007, 21:01
I love the "Use First (Use Primero)" sticker, though.
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Post by: jeph on 13 Dec 2007, 21:34
Yeah the McDonalds sticker ruins it.
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Post by: Patrick on 13 Dec 2007, 21:50
Guys it's a $90 guitar that I got for free that I spraypainted with a ten year old. It's not exactly like it's a damn Van Gogh.
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Post by: Thrillho on 14 Dec 2007, 05:18
...yeah, but the McDonald's sticker ruins its purity.
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Post by: valley_parade on 14 Dec 2007, 07:10
FUCK YEAH MOTHERFUCKER

Patrick I love you. That is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Dec 2007, 08:55
...yeah, but the McDonald's sticker ruins its purity.

No.
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Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 14 Dec 2007, 20:12
For my next guitar, I want one of these (http://www.mansons.co.uk/images/feature_images/3%20neck%2Ejpg).
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Post by: audacity on 14 Dec 2007, 20:14
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but even if it has, it's worth being mentioned again -> http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9815768-1.html
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 14 Dec 2007, 20:32
It had its own thread.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 14 Dec 2007, 20:52
For some reason I find the idea of guitar that tunes itself unsettling.
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Post by: Ballard on 14 Dec 2007, 22:12
It had its own thread.

Two, in fact.

greenMonkey, sentient musical instruments are a bad, bad idea. They'd band together and play Freebird 'till we went insane.
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Post by: Patrick on 15 Dec 2007, 01:22
it's worth being mentioned again

INCORRECT

Seriously, if somebody's too damn tone-deaf to tune their own instrument, they shouldn't be making music. Case closed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Dec 2007, 01:24
As much as I dislike the guitar, you missed the point behind it, Patrick.

It not only tunes itself to standard low E but you also have 5 alternate tunings at the turn of a knob. Convenient I guess, if you use them all often.
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Post by: Patrick on 15 Dec 2007, 01:44
No, I get the point. The point is to kill the awesome performer-and-crowd banter that goes on during tuning/guitar changes.
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Post by: valley_parade on 15 Dec 2007, 06:05
Y'know, if I start playing gigs, my witty banter is going to be "GUYS HOLD THE FUCK ON I NEED TO TUNE THIS TO B STANDARD, ALRIGHT?"


Favorite banter ever: A Lawrence Arms live show I have.

Brendan: It's great being here in Champaign tonight..
Crowd: WE'RE IN URBANA!
Brendan: ...Lobando!? What did you say?
Crowd: URBANA.
Brendan: Esto lamtan..something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 15 Dec 2007, 16:33
I've come to the realisation that this is the only thread I come to these forums for anymore.

On topic though.
I have this old tiesco, which I'm sure I posted earlier in the thread.
Anyway, I got this thing for about $20, and its pretty good for what i paid, but the frets are very worn.
Also the screws on every piece of hardware(except the pickguard) have been stripped on top because the previous owner couldn't use a screwdriver.

So I ask you mighty guitar gods, should I drill out these screws, plug the holes and refit all the hardware?(as well as unbending where the previous owner tried to pry the bridge off with a screwdriver, and managed to take a chunk out of the body) And should i also pay to have it re-fretted?
I say refretted, because a fret dressing would have no effect, some of the frets are paper thin.
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Post by: Thrillho on 15 Dec 2007, 16:50
Y'know, if I start playing gigs, my witty banter is going to be "GUYS HOLD THE FUCK ON I NEED TO TUNE THIS TO B STANDARD, ALRIGHT?"


Favorite banter ever: A Lawrence Arms live show I have.

Brendan: It's great being here in Champaign tonight..
Crowd: WE'RE IN URBANA!
Brendan: ...Lobando!? What did you say?
Crowd: URBANA.
Brendan: Esto lamtan..something.

My best stage banter to date has been 'Sorry I forgot how that one went in the middle there.'
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 15 Dec 2007, 20:34
I've come to the realisation that this is the only thread I come to these forums for anymore.

On topic though.
I have this old tiesco, which I'm sure I posted earlier in the thread.
Anyway, I got this thing for about $20, and its pretty good for what i paid, but the frets are very worn.
Also the screws on every piece of hardware(except the pickguard) have been stripped on top because the previous owner couldn't use a screwdriver.

So I ask you mighty guitar gods, should I drill out these screws, plug the holes and refit all the hardware?(as well as unbending where the previous owner tried to pry the bridge off with a screwdriver, and managed to take a chunk out of the body) And should i also pay to have it re-fretted?
I say refretted, because a fret dressing would have no effect, some of the frets are paper thin.

Pics? Doing all that might be more effort than the guitar is worth... but it's up to you to decide that. A lot of these old cheap guitars are terrible, but some Teiscos were pretty cool.
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Post by: Ballard on 15 Dec 2007, 22:12
It really depends on the Teisco. The one you described sounds like the ultimate low-end student models from the 60s/70s. Which means that while they're technically vintage, they're still pretty basic guitars.

If you're willing to completely refurbish the guitar, it might be worth it. Play it messed up and see if you like the tone. New shiny bits won't change that very much.
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Post by: yossarian07 on 15 Dec 2007, 22:38
Speaking of Mansons, I think that guy makes the most badass guitars ever for Matt Bellamy
(http://www.musewiki.org/images/Kaoss_Manson.jpg)
Seriously, a Korg Kaoss pad and a Fernandez Sustainer built right into it. What more could you want.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Dec 2007, 22:41
At my place of work (Ludlow Guitars) there is a cool lookin' guitar with a wah probe under the pickguard. Coolest thing ever.
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Post by: yossarian07 on 15 Dec 2007, 22:51
At my place of work (Ludlow Guitars) there is a cool lookin' guitar with a wah probe under the pickguard. Coolest thing ever.
Never heard of anything like that before. It seems like it wouldn't be as good as just using a Wah pedal since you would need a free hand to play it.
Pretty cool idea though. I like the idea of onboard effects, it just seems like not too many people have gotten the hang of them yet.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Dec 2007, 23:00
in b4 Bo Diddley

When I get back to Albania on the 28th I'll have to take a photo of the body of my Johnson Strat that I had him sign.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 15 Dec 2007, 23:18
At my place of work (Ludlow Guitars) there is a cool lookin' guitar with a wah probe under the pickguard. Coolest thing ever.
Never heard of anything like that before. It seems like it wouldn't be as good as just using a Wah pedal since you would need a free hand to play it.
Pretty cool idea though. I like the idea of onboard effects, it just seems like not too many people have gotten the hang of them yet.

Z.Vex made some of these guitars, you don't need a free hand to play it actually, it follows your strumming hand. Read here: http://zvex.com/guitars/

That Manson is way cool. Chrome soapbar P90s? Hell yes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Dec 2007, 07:56
Yeah, it's right underneath the pickguard so you use your strumming hand. The difficult part is playing lead but it's all a matter of getting used to it.

The one we have isn't the Z.Vex Teardrop model. It's made by another company and it's this really cool lookin' semi-hollow offset guitar
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Post by: Patrick on 16 Dec 2007, 11:26
this really cool lookin' semi-hollow offset guitar

??? (http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/savannahDLX/savannahDLX_frm.htm)
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Post by: FireAarro on 16 Dec 2007, 12:42
Talking about cool lookin' semi-hollow offset guitars...

(http://www.12fret.com/used/FenderStarcaster714284.jpg)
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Post by: Patrick on 16 Dec 2007, 13:58
I wish they'd reissue that, those fuckers.
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Post by: Ballard on 16 Dec 2007, 18:43
The Starcaster is pretty but I've really been diggin' the Coronado lately.

I'll take pics of the wah guitar next week, Pat.
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Post by: valley_parade on 17 Dec 2007, 05:25
Good news!

Eastwood is doing a Pete Shelley (http://eastwoodguitars.com/Other/peteShelley/images/shelley-big/shelley3-big.jpg) (Buzzcocks) signature guitar!


Bad news!

Mike Robinson from Eastwood just emailed me back. They're doing 88 of them and that's it. Ever.
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Post by: Thrillho on 17 Dec 2007, 07:20
Whilst it has a cool, iconic value to it...uh, it looks like crap.
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Post by: valley_parade on 17 Dec 2007, 07:25
The original snapped in two in like...'78? He played it as-is, and that's why it looks the way it does. Heh.
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Post by: Patrick on 17 Dec 2007, 09:20
I hope he used krazy glue.
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Post by: FireAarro on 17 Dec 2007, 20:16
Whilst it has a cool, iconic value to it...uh, it looks like crap.

Yeash.
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Post by: Ballard on 17 Dec 2007, 20:25
Personally, I'm not a fan of artist guitars. Like, I am not Pete Shelley, or Jimmy Page, or Brian May. I think it's a bit pretentious to play a replica of someone else's guitar. I'd rather have my own style.

That said, I think it looks pretty badass. I just wouldn't ever get one.

I'll probably get to play with one eventually because the guitar shop I work at likes Eastwood a lot and carries most of their guitars, as well as the owner is a huge Buzzcocks fan.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 18 Dec 2007, 00:55
Personally, I'm not a fan of artist guitars. Like, I am not ...Jimmy Page...
Don't you mean you are not Les Paul?  ;)
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Post by: jeph on 18 Dec 2007, 01:11
The Les Paul has transcended being an "artist" guitar, especially considering that Les Paul himself plays guitars that have very little to do with current "Les Pauls" in terms of electronics and such.
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Post by: jeph on 18 Dec 2007, 01:12
PS: God Damnit why is Gibson making more of these (http://www.gibson.com/promotions/reverseflyingv/).
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Post by: FireAarro on 18 Dec 2007, 01:35
(http://www.modernguitars.com/imagefiles/2007summernamm/day3/NAMM-DAY-THREE---17.gif)

Who buys these things?  :?
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Post by: valley_parade on 18 Dec 2007, 05:13
I hope he used krazy glue.

Nah dude, like..the top bit snapped off and he never bothered putting it back on. That's why the guitar's kinda flat on top.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 18 Dec 2007, 06:36
Why was I reminded of this (http://www.instrumentpro.com/P-JAYJTSHARK) when I saw the reverse flying V?
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Post by: valley_parade on 18 Dec 2007, 06:38
Who buys these things?  :?

That guy, maybe? It looks like his name is "Greg". GREG, WHY DO YOU BUY SUCH HORRID LOOKING GUITARS?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 18 Dec 2007, 06:57
The only "signature" guitar I'd really like to try is the Music Man Albert Lee guitar. Not because of the looks (http://images.miretail.com/products/full/musicman/632866234674696778_X.jpg), but because of the way they play. Really bright, crisp single-coil tones. Also, I haven't tried it, but apparently the neck is a creamdream.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 18 Dec 2007, 07:07
PS: God Damnit why is Gibson making more of these (http://www.gibson.com/promotions/reverseflyingv/).

Holy shit. Not only does it represent a penis, but it's now actually shaped like one.

That said, I actually think it's an improvement over the Flying V.

Also, just wait for companies like B. C. Rich to start doing reverse Randy Rhoads asymmetrical Flying V-knockoff guitars.
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Post by: Patrick on 18 Dec 2007, 10:46
An improvement? Now the body shape is even MORE awkward for seated playing, you have even less control over your sound, and you have less of an ability to reach every fret.
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Post by: valley_parade on 18 Dec 2007, 11:45
Patrick, say you're in a crowd and people are trying to find you. Hoist the guitar skyward, and it instantly turns into an arrow, pointing out "AMIGOS, ESTOY AQUI!"
You've gotta look at the positives.
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Post by: Patrick on 18 Dec 2007, 11:56
That only works with the original V. The body shape is like this:

>---=

And when held skyward by the neck it goes like this:

V
 |
 |
 "

When you hoist the reverse V skyward by the neck, it just makes an up arrow.
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 18 Dec 2007, 12:06
You got the neck wrong. it looks like this:

>-

|
"
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Post by: Beastmouth on 18 Dec 2007, 14:07
The Les Paul has transcended being an "artist" guitar, especially considering that Les Paul himself plays guitars that have very little to do with current "Les Pauls" in terms of electronics and such.

Don't you mean to say that Gibson are just waiting to reissue the Recording model?  It's actually the most modern design of a guitar with his name, barring perhaps the semi-hollow Signature, and the only thing nonstock on Mr. Polfus's is the Bigsby, I believe.  Gibson just find it easier to reissue the crappy ones. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 18 Dec 2007, 14:58
An improvement? Now the body shape is even MORE awkward for seated playing, you have even less control over your sound, and you have less of an ability to reach every fret.

Dude, nobody gets a Flying V in order to play it seated. It looks like the fret reach is about the same.

By improvement, I meant looks cooler.
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Post by: Patrick on 18 Dec 2007, 15:16
Idunno, the tailpiece shape really doesn't flatter the body shape very well.
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Post by: Ballard on 18 Dec 2007, 15:31
At least it's not the Flying Z (also known as the Thunderbolt)

(http://www.jjm.ch/images/guits/bolt3.jpg)
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Post by: sean on 18 Dec 2007, 15:38
That has got to be the ugliest and the dumbest guitar I have ever seen, hands down. That guitar is an abomination.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 18 Dec 2007, 15:49
Agreed.  I think this thread is now The Ugliest Guitars thread.

Like this one: (NSFW I would say.)

http://www.guitarsite.com/newsletters/gnw/images/ugly06/01-11penis.jpg (http://www.guitarsite.com/newsletters/gnw/images/ugly06/01-11penis.jpg)
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Post by: Ballard on 18 Dec 2007, 15:50
NO DO NOT KILL THIS THREAD PLEASE NO!

That said, you beat me by literally a second to:

(http://www.audiomastermind.us/wp-content/images/wangcaster.jpg)
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Post by: FireAarro on 18 Dec 2007, 15:51
PS: God Damnit why is Gibson making more of these (http://www.gibson.com/promotions/reverseflyingv/).

Holy shit. Not only does it represent a penis, but it's now actually shaped like one.

What? Reverse Flying V looks like a penis? I don't know what yours looks like...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Dec 2007, 16:26
I'm going to laugh when every one of those shitty reverse-Vs has a body break.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Wayfaring Stranger on 18 Dec 2007, 19:32
I think the intricate inlays near the Wangcaster's neck are really hilarious.  Who would think to put such intricate, beautiful detail on a guitar that's shaped like a penis?
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Post by: FireAarro on 18 Dec 2007, 20:00
Not really inlays, just pickguard designs. Pubic hair?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 18 Dec 2007, 20:10
Guys, I kind of want a Taylor.  I don't really like how my Washburn has lots of trebel, but no bass.  Taylors, have a good amount of both, though.  So I want a Taylor.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 18 Dec 2007, 20:41
Not really inlays, just pickguard designs. Pubic hair?

Precisely.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 18 Dec 2007, 21:25
An improvement? Now the body shape is even MORE awkward for seated playing, you have even less control over your sound, and you have less of an ability to reach every fret.

Dude, nobody gets a Flying V in order to play it seated. It looks like the fret reach is about the same.

By improvement, I meant looks cooler.
How does it look cooler?  I can't even imagine that thing balancing at all anywhere but the moon.


Also, when I read yr sig I keep seeing "Wood alcohol + benzos!" which is extra disturbing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Dec 2007, 22:30
Guys, I kind of want a Taylor.  I don't really like how my Washburn has lots of trebel, but no bass.  Taylors, have a good amount of both, though.  So I want a Taylor.

Taylors are DELICIOUS, man. I played one in Reno before I got my SG. Man, that neck was made of fucking heroism and justice. I could play fucking -anything- on that thing.
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Post by: MadassAlex on 19 Dec 2007, 04:31
HAY GUYZ

I want to start work on a PROJECT GUITAR. Basically, I want to buy a cheap, yet sturdy guitar and over the course of some time tinker, alter and refurbish it into something awesome.
Can anyone reccomend an el-cheapo guitar that has nice handling? Best case scenario, I don't want to have to bother with changing the neck(but I will if I have to).
I'm a fan of Ibanez, Schecter and Epi/Gibson in particular. I guess I like my necks superflat or nice and round. Pickups, electronics, ect. will all probably be altered at some point. If the guitar has a flat finish I'll mess with that, too. Preferably a tune-o-matic kind of bridge, too. I hate messing with a guitar for ages to make sure it's set right after each change of strings.
I got an offer for a cheap Ibanez for around 300 AUD. Wizard neck and mahogany body, plus a free case. I'm leaning towards that right now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 19 Dec 2007, 07:47
Personally, I'm not a fan of artist guitars. Like, I am not Pete Shelley, or Jimmy Page, or Brian May. I think it's a bit pretentious to play a replica of someone else's guitar. I'd rather have my own style.

Yeah, agreed, especially with the more distinctive looking guitars like Red Special. About the only artist instrument I've seen that really made sense to me has been my brother's Geddy Lee jazz bass, since it's a nice and clean looking and has a relatively unique feature (skinniest neck I've seen on an under $1000 jazz bass) and actually isn't a total rip off at $800 or so new, which is pretty amazing considering that decent basses aren't cheap and it's got an artist attached to it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Dec 2007, 08:01
That only works with the original V. The body shape is like this:

>---=

And when held skyward by the neck it goes like this:

V
 |
 |
 "

When you hoist the reverse V skyward by the neck, it just makes an up arrow.

I meant hold it by the large pointed end, neck facing upward.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 19 Dec 2007, 08:30
I think the intricate inlays near the Wangcaster's neck are really hilarious.  Who would think to put such intricate, beautiful detail on a guitar that's shaped like a penis?

Those aren't inlays, that's just somebody making swirly patterns in a 2-tone pickguard with a small router bit. Takes about 10 minutes if you know what you're doing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 19 Dec 2007, 08:32
At least it's not the Flying Z (also known as the Thunderbolt)

(http://www.jjm.ch/images/guits/bolt3.jpg)
:-o :laugh: :-o

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Dec 2007, 08:37
So that's what happened to the Moderne.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 19 Dec 2007, 12:17
I just want to destroy it. Immediately.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 19 Dec 2007, 15:01
Quote from: Wikipedia
Stylistically Modernes are characterized by an elongated upper treble bout (similar to the Flying V), a scooped-out bass bout (similar to a shark fin), an oblong headstock (similar to Gumby's head) with inverted tuners, and gold hardware.

lol
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 19 Dec 2007, 18:30
I'd say we should do wikipedia favor and take turns editing that to "Stylistically the Moderne looks like ass", but it sounds like work.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: godinpants on 19 Dec 2007, 23:22
At least it's not the Flying Z (also known as the Thunderbolt)

I bet that thing has pretty amazing balance given the length of the bass horn.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 20 Dec 2007, 06:10
I dunno, all that weight forward of the bridge pickup means it probably balances horizontally at best. All the comfiest-balancing guitars (Strats, Les Pauls, PRSes, hell even Explorers) have most of their weight at or behind the bridge pickup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 20 Dec 2007, 06:30
The only problem I have with my Firebird is that it's prone to diving down neckwards because of the headstock. Oh wells.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 20 Dec 2007, 15:12
The only problem I have with my Firebird is that it's prone to diving down neckwards because of the headstock. Oh wells.
How's that? 
Every time I've played a Firebird I've thought it just about the best balanced instrument I've ever held.  Is yours reverse or Fender styled?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 20 Dec 2007, 16:12
Aww, I didn't realize that the thread was shifting to ridiculous instruments like the moderne with it's "gumby head."
I guess posting mine will seem kind of tame... oh well

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t64/InitiateFailure/DSCN0102.jpg)

It's such a sweet instrument. Fender thinline tele, TC-90 with the duncan p-90s in it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 20 Dec 2007, 16:16
The only problem I have with my Firebird is that it's prone to diving down neckwards because of the headstock. Oh wells.
How's that? 
Every time I've played a Firebird I've thought it just about the best balanced instrument I've ever held.  Is yours reverse or Fender styled?

Probably just depends on how you like your guitars to sit. My Firebird is quite comfy, but there's really only one position it naturally sits in when it's strapped on. Good thing for me it happens to be my default playing position anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 20 Dec 2007, 16:30
Aww, I didn't realize that the thread was shifting to ridiculous instruments like the moderne with it's "gumby head."
I guess posting mine will seem kind of tame... oh well

It's such a sweet instrument. Fender thinline tele, TC-90 with the duncan p-90s in it.

Oh god, the Thinline. That thing is fucking gorgeous.

P.S. We already established earlier in the thread that it's not a Tele. The other Thinlines are Teles, but this one isn't.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 20 Dec 2007, 16:39
Aww, I didn't realize that the thread was shifting to ridiculous instruments like the moderne with it's "gumby head."
I guess posting mine will seem kind of tame... oh well

It's such a sweet instrument. Fender thinline tele, TC-90 with the duncan p-90s in it.

Oh god, the Thinline. That thing is fucking gorgeous.

P.S. We already established earlier in the thread that it's not a Tele. The other Thinlines are Teles, but this one isn't.

I always just called it one because except for the double-cut it's basically the same body as a tele. I can abide by the decisions of the thread in general though. From now on I'll just call it my awesome guitar
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 20 Dec 2007, 17:08
Nah I only mention it 'cause I spent an hour arguing that it IS in fact a Tele and got proven wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 20 Dec 2007, 17:52
haha, yeah I just saw some of the posts from earlier in the thread. Although I'm still convinced that the word telecaster is involved in the model name. I could be wrong, I've had the thing for a couple years now So I haven't really been paying attention to it. I heard they were discontinued but I never looked it up
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Dec 2007, 18:23
It's definitely Tele-inspired, and yes, the TC probably stands for "Telecaster", but it's definitely a different piece. For example, she appears to have a set neck.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 20 Dec 2007, 19:02
It's definitely Tele-inspired, and yes, the TC probably stands for "Telecaster", but it's definitely a different piece. For example, she appears to have a set neck.

Yeah it is set, and the neck's much flatter than any of the tele's I've played which is one of the reasons I loved it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: BaneAtvar on 20 Dec 2007, 19:11
I would very much like to have intercourse with that TC.

It is THAT awesome.

I want a Reverend Manta Ray. Besides, with that name, I can only think of an priest gunslinger bible in one hand, six-shooter in the other, and I want to play something like that.

Really.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 20 Dec 2007, 20:01
That TC-90 is indeed gorgeous.  I kind of wish they made them in different finishes though.

EDIT: Nvm, I just looked it up on Musiciansfriend and it comes in white and is even more gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Dec 2007, 20:12
Oh my god...are those soap bar pickups?  I think I might have to get a guitar like that...It is a beautiful instrument.

>.<  Damnit!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 20 Dec 2007, 20:23
They're Seymour Duncan P-90s.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 20 Dec 2007, 20:24
I want a Reverend Manta Ray. Besides, with that name, I can only think of an priest gunslinger bible in one hand, six-shooter in the other, and I want to play something like that.

Haha, it helps that the manta ray looks pretty cool too.

Oh my god...are those soap bar pickups?  I think I might have to get a guitar like that...It is a beautiful instrument.

>.<  Damnit!

And it has great tone, at least for everything I've tried to play on it, so it's pretty damn versatile for me. I feel lucky 'cause I haven't seen another one (in my area at least) before or after getting this one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Dec 2007, 20:26
Yeah it is set, and the neck's much flatter than any of the tele's I've played which is one of the reasons I loved it.

I have mixed feelings about flat necks. While I adore being able to play stupid-fast riffs, the muscles in my thumb start to get really sore after a long day of bar/barre/whatever chords. Either way though, HOLY SHIT SEMI-HOLLOW FENDER WITH GOOD FRET REACH.

On Monday I finally sent my SG back to Gibson to get her repaired or replaced. They said the typical return time is 2 weeks, but this time a year it gets bumped to 3 or so. Either way, I won't see her again until I'm back in CA in March.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Dec 2007, 12:37
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc212/voodoo_child777/Ibanez%202008/XPT707FX-GCM.jpg)

I am afraid I will have to buy this in the coming year..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 21 Dec 2007, 12:44
How's that? 
Every time I've played a Firebird I've thought it just about the best balanced instrument I've ever held.  Is yours reverse or Fender styled?

I know it's pretty much a completely different beast, but Thunderbird basses are notorious for their ridiculous neck dive.
I had one, and it was awful.
That's kind of always turned me away from buying a Firebird because I figured it was a body shape thing.
Then again, I can't stand my mates SG because I constantly need to hold the neck up.
With these new testimonials from both Beastmouth and Jeph, I may look into a Firebird, because I've always loved the shape and sound.


Yeah, one thing y'll have to remember is that the Thunderbird was Gibson's first long-scale bass, so they probably did put a little too much weight on the neck end. 

Also, on that thing above me, why?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Dec 2007, 12:55
Also, on that thing above me, why?

Mainly because of the specs on it. Also, it is the first decent Ibanez 7-string with a fixed bridge to be produced in AGES!
It is a mahogany body with a maple top, neck-thru walnut/mahogany neck and comes with a set of decent DiMarzios. Sounds cool to me!

The shape also lends itself well to some of the music I play.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Dec 2007, 15:24
Why the hell are they using maple, mahogany, and walnut if they're putting an opaque finish on there? Those woods are too beautiful to justify covering them up.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 21 Dec 2007, 17:00
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc212/voodoo_child777/Ibanez%202008/XPT707FX-GCM.jpg)

I am afraid I will have to buy this in the coming year..

I'll have to borrow it from you so I can gouge out my eyes with the headstock.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 21 Dec 2007, 17:44
The other end would work better.  I mean, damn,  look at that upper bout at the tail.  You could probably cut down a tree with that axe.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Dec 2007, 17:57
I see what you did there.

Edit: Oh what the fuck, I passed 4000? Weird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 21 Dec 2007, 18:17
Yes, it's an odd body.  The reversre headstock I like, tho; I find tuning a touch easier on a reverse headstock.  What I just can't understand is those inlays.  What on earth?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 22 Dec 2007, 05:25
Why the hell are they using maple, mahogany, and walnut if they're putting an opaque finish on there? Those woods are too beautiful to justify covering them up.

My thought exactly. I can't decide whether I like that colour-changing finish or not. It does look at LOT better in real life, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 22 Dec 2007, 06:08
The only problem I have with my Firebird is that it's prone to diving down neckwards because of the headstock. Oh wells.
How's that? 
Every time I've played a Firebird I've thought it just about the best balanced instrument I've ever held.  Is yours reverse or Fender styled?

Epiphone! Bolt-on neck.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 22 Dec 2007, 11:35
lummer, isn't that the artist guitar for one of the guys in Necrophagist?

Yes and no. He is the posterboy for it, but it isn't a signature model as such.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 22 Dec 2007, 11:58
(http://www.salwender.com/images/einstein_1_388x282.jpg)

DO want.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jposh on 22 Dec 2007, 15:43
Well, because of being verbally beat senseless after my first post, I've been avoiding posting, but this is a special case.

I've wanted to play Guitar for a long time, and have finally sat down with my mom's acoustic, to learn a few notes and chords. I've kind of realized that I could use some lessons but, because of the incredibly shitty economy, at least locally, if not elsewhere, there is a lack of money in my household, and I can't afford them. I can afford music books though, so does anybody have any suggestions for a good one? Does anybody have an idea as to what else I could do to try and teach myself?


Also, I plan on eventually going to electric to, and I was looking at 7 strings, any ideas as to what I should get? I know it will be kind of expensive, but I can save some money, and I might be able to get my mom to match it
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 22 Dec 2007, 19:22
Just get any book with a good explanation (with pictures/diagrams) of open and barre chords and scales. From there, you'll be able to teach yourself just fine.

When I originally started playing, mine came with a DVD which I found pretty helpful since I mainly taught myself.

P.S. I promised pictures of the onboard wah guitar we have at my work. I didn't wanna bring a camera in to work (kinda weird) so I just checked the manufacturer and found it online.

This (http://www.tonesmith.com/guitars_electric_custom_316.asp) in a teal finish.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Dec 2007, 19:36
I like how they pretty much just jacked the Fender headstock shape and put a notch in the little ball end.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 22 Dec 2007, 19:54
Dude so did like half the guitar companies in the world.

Also that was snarky and useless as a post. What are you, Zerodrone?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Dec 2007, 20:00
ARE YOU HAPPY NOW EUGENE

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2586.jpg)

Why yes, this is in fact the same photo as in the photo thread. And yeah I took that McDonald's sticker off 'cause of you whiny whiners.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Tehz on 22 Dec 2007, 20:41
I played one of these (a Gretsch G5135 Electromatic Corvettee) at a Sam Ash in NYC, and I think I'm in love.

(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8742/gretschg5135gd2.jpg)

And for only $525, too. If you played one, you'd never believe that it was this cheap.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 22 Dec 2007, 20:42
Dang, that Gretsch is sexy shit (as always with Gretsch)

What is the deal with the f-hole on that wah guitar? Weeird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Dec 2007, 20:51
That's a sweet looking Gretch.  I played one today at Guitar Sam in Montpelier.  I didn't really like the pickups...I also played a Gibson SG Gothic, and I didn't really like the pickups on that either.  I don't know what it is, I just don't like humbuckers very much.  :\

I played this custom Squire Strat with all stacked pickups, though.  That sounded pretty bitchin'.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 22 Dec 2007, 21:05
holy crap, i want that Gretsch (but without the trem)!

what colours does it come in?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 22 Dec 2007, 22:45
Faded cherry and faded brown I think.

The F-hole makes the wah guitar all the more cool.

Yeah, Gretsch's Electromatic series has some really cool shit for pretty decent prices.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Phaedra on 23 Dec 2007, 05:02
I'm pretty sure this is the best guitar I've ever seen...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/teevee/wtf.jpg)


For anyone who remembers my bass quest, I finally bought one, and have been playing around with it. Whatever I learnt about playing the guitar when I was 13, I've either completely forgotten or found that it's not applicable to bass, lolz. But I'm having fun anyway! Also the test results on my buggered wrist have all been inconclusive, so eh, I'll just keep playing 'til my hand drops off, or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 23 Dec 2007, 05:07
I like how they pretty much just jacked the Fender headstock shape and put a notch in the little ball end.
You mean Paul Bigsby's headstock shape that Leo Fender jacked?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 23 Dec 2007, 16:35
Dang, that Gretsch is sexy shit (as always with Gretsch)

What is the deal with the f-hole on that wah guitar? Weeird.

I thought it was a pretty bitchin' f-hole on the wah guitar.

Although, I feel like I may be too stupid to figure out where the control for the wah is? I like the channel select-knob at top-left though (unless that's wah control. In that case I like the wah control)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 24 Dec 2007, 00:16
Although, I feel like I may be too stupid to figure out where the control for the wah is? I like the channel select-knob at top-left though (unless that's wah control. In that case I like the wah control)

No you're right- the black "chicken feet" style knob is a tone knob. Different stages of overdrive. The bottom tone and volume knobs are push-pull and pushing both of them turns on the wah, which is under the pickguard. You use it by moving your fingers around, lkind of ike a theremin.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 24 Dec 2007, 00:51
Hi I'm new so I'm not too sure if this is the best place to post this but here goes anyway.

My dad just gave me his Squier strat as he just bought a new guitar. I have been teaching myself for the past week or so, scales and strumming patterns.
So i was wondering if any of you could suggest any easy songs to start me off.

thanks in advance for any help, and if I have posted this in the wrong thread i apologise.


i HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend not learning songs yet, learn some basic music theory (including WHAT a scale is and how it matters) and learn a bunch of chords, includin gall of your open chords both majors and minors, and the two main barre chord formations, don't make the mistake of "learning by playing songs" that doesn't get you anywhere really but once your confident that you know enough about the guitar to consider yourself some level of a guitar player learn some folk songs, i highly recommend anything old-age bob dylan for chord strumming fun! and stay away from drop-D tuned songs! 9 out of 10 times they're just doing it to "cheat a bar"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 24 Dec 2007, 02:12
I disagree almost entirely with dalconnsuch.

It's better to learn your chords and scales first before moving on to songs but if you take either method too seriously, you'll wind up burning out. Learn a couple of major chords, and then learn a song with those chords in it. Or better yet, find a song made up entirely of open chords and learn it, making sure to learn what each chord is and not just the song.

Also drop D is a cool tuning if you use it properly, just like any other tuning. There's a stigma surrounding it because it's used for a lot of shred metal, but that doesn't make it any better or worse.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: alfrogy on 24 Dec 2007, 03:07
Thanks for the advice, I have memorised most of the major chords and some of the minor ones. I really struggle with th barre chords right now though I can't seem to keep my finger pressed down firmly enough on all the strings there are always a few that are muted.

Oh and can anyone give me a few good websites I can check out, most of the ones I've tried so far have been really vague.

Thanks for everything so far though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 24 Dec 2007, 04:32
Struggling with barre chords is totally normal. I could play open chords fairly well in a number of weeks to a month, but it took me 3 or 4 months to really play barre chords cleanly, and even longer to learn to switch to/between them quickly and accurately.

Websites..

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/
If you need song tabs. You've probably found a tab site already but you basically can't find anything anywhere else that you won't find here. It's the definitive source. If you use 911 Tabs, it's an aggregator rather than a provider. Most of their results come from Ultimate Guitar and the ones that don't are the same tabs that do.

http://www.guitarforbeginners.com/
Cool, easy to follow lessons starting from the very basics and ending with difficult fingerstyle and music theory lessons. You have to sign up to access 'em but they're worth it and the people on the forums are nice, if mostly old fogeys and jazz/rhythm & blues snobs.

http://www.tunemybass.com/
Guitar/bass tuner. There's a ton of presets (standard, drop D, open tunings) but you can set it to any strange tuning you want string by string. Pretty useful until you learn to tune by ear and/or get a tuner. (it's still important to get used to the tuner because it's an integral part of playing any live show. doing it by ear just won't cut it, or shouldn't IMHO)

Good luck! Most importantly enjoy yourself. Never get caught up on scales or any dumb shit someone might tell you to learn. If you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 24 Dec 2007, 04:50
Why learn chords if you're not going to learn the scales that fit them?  :-o
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 24 Dec 2007, 06:07
And yeah I took that McDonald's sticker off 'cause of you whiny whiners.

FUCKING SELLOUT.


On the subject of inexpensive Gretsches: the G5120 is beautiful (http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/9/7/540497.jpg) (clear pickguard aside).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 24 Dec 2007, 09:27
Why learn chords if you're not going to learn the scales that fit them?  :-o

Because you can write a solo without knowing the scales. These days I mostly ignore them anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Dec 2007, 10:14
Also drop D is a cool tuning if you use it properly

The guy from Billy Talent uses it religiously. That guy's got some -epic- riffs, despite the band being hellishly emo.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 24 Dec 2007, 10:43
I am buying a Danelectro 59, I decided this a few minutes ago. It will help me do stuff that isn't wallowing in apathy. Now i need to find a place that sells them here.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 24 Dec 2007, 11:05
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Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
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Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 24 Dec 2007, 16:09
I've got a black Mexican Fender Telecaster Custom, the one with the humbucker at the neck. Its a really sweet guitar, wouldn't trade it for anything, except one of them fully digital Gibson Les Pauls mmmmm  :lol:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 24 Dec 2007, 16:54
Also drop D is a cool tuning if you use it properly

The guy from Billy Talent uses it religiously. That guy's got some -epic- riffs, despite the band being hellishly emo.

Not to forget Tool and Porcupine Tree.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 24 Dec 2007, 17:32
Ah, Ian D'Sa is one of the biggest influences on my guitar playing. The chordal parts that don't stay in one place, the conscious effort to do rhythm and lead at the same time. And is tone is great too, chiming but jagged.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: InitiateFailure on 24 Dec 2007, 19:12
Although, I feel like I may be too stupid to figure out where the control for the wah is? I like the channel select-knob at top-left though (unless that's wah control. In that case I like the wah control)

No you're right- the black "chicken feet" style knob is a tone knob. Different stages of overdrive. The bottom tone and volume knobs are push-pull and pushing both of them turns on the wah, which is under the pickguard. You use it by moving your fingers around, lkind of ike a theremin.

Sounds like a pretty sweet design. I wish someplace around here had something with onboard effects so I could check it out
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 25 Dec 2007, 20:03
Because you can write a solo without knowing the scales. These days I mostly ignore them anyway.

You can write solos - good solos - without knowing scales. The chances that they won't clash with a chord progression when you know nothing about the scales is very very slim, however, and it distortion only makes it worse.

Anyone who learns chords should know at least the notes that make those chords and a few basic guidelines of composition and scale theory at some point. Hell, knowing scale theory can mean you never have to learn a scale on its own again.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 25 Dec 2007, 20:49
Composing solos is kindof lame anyway. It's way better to do spur-of-the-moment improvisation.

I hellof got a Duncan soundhole pickup for my Kay for Atheist Kids Get Cool Shit Day, as well as a Boss DD-20. I'm jazzed as fuck.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 25 Dec 2007, 21:57
Composing solos is kindof lame anyway. It's way better to do spur-of-the-moment improvisation.

I hellof got a Duncan soundhole pickup for my Kay for Atheist Kids Get Cool Shit Day, as well as a Boss DD-20. I'm jazzed as fuck.

i don't agree with that statement at all, composing solos is just like composing songs if you want to compose a solo well then fuck, artistic freedom too ya! you can go ahead and do the spur of the moment stuff (i do it too) but some of the best solos are composed versus spur of the moment improvs, case in point, the stairway to heaven solo, eruption by van halen, just about every solo by dragonforce, yngwie malmsteen, steve vai, jeff bec, clapton, the list goes on, there is nothing wrong with it at all, its all on what the artist wants to do
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Dec 2007, 03:44
Because you can write a solo without knowing the scales. These days I mostly ignore them anyway.

You can write solos - good solos - without knowing scales. The chances that they won't clash with a chord progression when you know nothing about the scales is very very slim, however, and it distortion only makes it worse.

Anyone who learns chords should know at least the notes that make those chords and a few basic guidelines of composition and scale theory at some point. Hell, knowing scale theory can mean you never have to learn a scale on its own again.

Yup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 26 Dec 2007, 04:36
Learning the scales opens up so many different doors. If you just learn the different shapes for the minor pentatonic scales its really easy to use them in any key and in any way you want. I mostly play the blues and they are just perfect for it. I hardly ever learn songs anymore i just make up my own licks and jam with other guys. Nothing like soloing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Dec 2007, 05:09
Yeah this is probably what I neglected to say, is that while I ignore the scales, I had to learn them first to ignore them. When I write I just deliberately to write stuff with non-diatonic notes and chords in it, but I wouldn't be able to do that very well without knowing the theory first.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Dec 2007, 09:20
One complaint about my delay pedal: doesn't switch delay times fast enough to get that trippy-ass flutter effect.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 26 Dec 2007, 12:00
Yeah this is probably what I neglected to say, is that while I ignore the scales, I had to learn them first to ignore them. When I write I just deliberately to write stuff with non-diatonic notes and chords in it, but I wouldn't be able to do that very well without knowing the theory first.

i still recommend you learning theory, the more you know the more music knowledge you have in your composing tool box, i respect your artistic views on that but i can't stress enough about the importants of learning music theory even if your not gonna use it lol
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 26 Dec 2007, 13:42
Both theory and scales are useful but necessarily required basic material. I learned rhythm guitar for the first 6 or 7 months and practically ignored scales. While I admit that this decision bit me in the ass a bit when I finally decided to learn lead, it only took me a week or so to catch up and it was more productive and less frustrating than if I had tried to learn them around the same time as chords.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 26 Dec 2007, 15:24
Yeah this is probably what I neglected to say, is that [size=20]while I ignore the scales, I had to learn them first to ignore them.[/size] When I write I just deliberately to write stuff with non-diatonic notes and chords in it, but I wouldn't be able to do that very well without knowing the theory first.

i still recommend you learning theory, the more you know the more music knowledge you have in your composing tool box, i respect your artistic views on that but i can't stress enough about the importants of learning music theory even if your not gonna use it lol

...dude, are you actually READING my post?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Dec 2007, 10:16
Yeah this is probably what I neglected to say, is that [size=20]while I ignore the scales, I had to learn them first to ignore them.[/size] When I write I just deliberately to write stuff with non-diatonic notes and chords in it, but I wouldn't be able to do that very well without knowing the theory first.

i still recommend you learning theory, the more you know the more music knowledge you have in your composing tool box, i respect your artistic views on that but i can't stress enough about the importants of learning music theory even if your not gonna use it lol

...dude, are you actually READING my post?

POST NUMBER 666 IN THIS THREAD!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: JackyL on 27 Dec 2007, 11:00
[img width= height=]http://www.nantelmusique.qc.ca/upload/Speciaux/b4fl.jpg[/img]

I thought I would bring some bass action before you guys completely rape my eyes (literally) with your guitar/penis pics....

This is my bass, and my first post :lol: I also have an upright.. and an acoustic.. and an ashbury.. I need to buy fewer basses >.<
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Dec 2007, 11:56
I also have an upright..

I thought you were talking about an upright piano at first.  But then I remembered there were upright basses too.

Man, I want a piano.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 27 Dec 2007, 12:06
Oooh, fretless <3
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 27 Dec 2007, 12:17
I have to say, I have been rather impressed with Cort's most recent efforts.  I liked the Curbow, I loved the Elrick, and the GB series jazz basses are great. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: JackyL on 27 Dec 2007, 12:49
When I went to look for a fretless my good buddy showed me a custom he had built that is almost identical to the court. Swamp ash body, wegie wood neck (which sounds amazing with flatwounds), Bartolini mk 1 picks, and solid on board electronics. My next conquest is 6 sting Warwick to satisfy my metal obsessions.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 27 Dec 2007, 13:39
ooooh basses, this is where i work been playin bass since i was 6, well before my guitar days


i have a fretless rickenbacker, its my baby, plkayin fretless is hard man, study up on yer theory! i ain' tkiddin around
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Post by: JackyL on 27 Dec 2007, 13:54
I'm going to college on a string bass scholarship and I'm taking AP theory in high school as we speak and loving it so theory is not a huge problem for me. :lol: It's good to know that someone else out there isn't afraid of that beautiful fretless sound, it's well worth the practice! Sometimes its hard for me to play fretted instruments because I feel really limited as far as pitch control and slides and whatnot. I wish I had a Rick, classic sound like that is not easy to come by.
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Post by: valley_parade on 28 Dec 2007, 07:51
I'd love to get an upright bass someday.
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Post by: Ballard on 28 Dec 2007, 11:12
I play an upright in my school's string orchestra.

It's beginner string orchestra and I got suckered into doing it so it's rather boring.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Dec 2007, 11:14
I'd love to get an upright bass someday.

I'd love to get an upright piano.
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Post by: Thrillho on 28 Dec 2007, 15:22
I need a new bass. With my back issues, my current one is killing me. It's so heavy, man, it's ridiculous. I'm going to trade it in for another one.
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Post by: thermodynamics on 28 Dec 2007, 16:49
i love my black 1978 fender musicmaster bass to death. of course, it has the single coil traded for a seymour-duncan musicman alnico-5 humbucking pickup, but the ease of playing a short scale bass makes it a joy on stage. that and it is so fucking light. i throw it around :) mine was only $275 in a pawnshop.
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Post by: Ballard on 31 Dec 2007, 09:57
I have a question for you guys. This is the current object of my affections (sorry Eastwood)

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/9/8/269498.jpg)

It plays like a beast, and is absolutely gorgeous. Also I usually prefer maple necks. But shit, tell me this guitar wouldn't look better with a rosewood fretboard?

Is there any way to keep the maple fretboard but dye it black or something? I'm not attached enough to the maple tone to never trade it up for real rosewood, but new necks are hells of expensive.

Maybe if I got it aged it'd look nicer. But brand new and sparkling clean it looks really ehhh.
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Post by: Johnny C on 31 Dec 2007, 10:04
Dude just buy that guitar and treat it like a newborn. They sound so great.
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Post by: Chad K. on 31 Dec 2007, 12:02
Is there any way to keep the maple fretboard but dye it black or something? I'm not attached enough to the maple tone to never trade it up for real rosewood, but new necks are hells of expensive.

There's no great way to dye a finsihed neck.  You'd have to strip out the frets and take out the nut and remove the clear coat.  And then, you'd never get it dyed to match how you want it.  It's just not worth it.

You're right, though.  I had thought you were going for the George Harrison all-rosewood guitar look, and checked Warmoth for an all rosewood replacement neck- $899-$999.  No frets, no nut, just a neck.  Yikes. 
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Post by: Patrick on 31 Dec 2007, 12:27
Just play it with sweaty hands nonstop for about 12 years and you will get a nice grime buildup on there.
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Post by: Ballard on 31 Dec 2007, 12:36
Way to be like every stereotypical sensei in every kung fu movie of the last 40 years Pat.
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Post by: Patrick on 31 Dec 2007, 12:41
Yngwie fucking Malmsteen, man.
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Post by: MusicScribbles on 31 Dec 2007, 12:48
Have there really been any true fung fu movies in the last ten years? I vote NO.
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Post by: Ballard on 31 Dec 2007, 13:11
What the fuck are you talking about, Scribbles?

Afro Samurai. 'nuff said.
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Post by: Patrick on 31 Dec 2007, 13:21
JET FUCKING LI, MAN
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Post by: greenMonkey on 01 Jan 2008, 14:22
So guys, I'm taking my Dano in for a setup soon, and I'm wondering what kind/guage strings to put on it.  I have no idea what kind are on there now.  Advice?
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Post by: FUBAR on 01 Jan 2008, 14:33
Have there really been any true fung fu movies in the last ten years? I vote NO.

Did you not watch Fearless?
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Post by: jeph on 01 Jan 2008, 15:22
So guys, I'm taking my Dano in for a setup soon, and I'm wondering what kind/guage strings to put on it.  I have no idea what kind are on there now.  Advice?

.10s. There're probably .09s on there now. .10s sound better.
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Post by: Patrick on 01 Jan 2008, 16:20
WHAT'S THAT, JEPH? DID I HEAR YOU SAY ".10"? PUSSING OUT FOR LIGHTER GAUGE STRINGS, I TAKE IT?
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Post by: jeph on 01 Jan 2008, 17:27
BITCH I'MA CUT YOU
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Post by: Tehz on 01 Jan 2008, 17:43
I have a question for you guys. This is the current object of my affections (sorry Eastwood)

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/4/9/8/269498.jpg)

It plays like a beast, and is absolutely gorgeous. Also I usually prefer maple necks. But shit, tell me this guitar wouldn't look better with a rosewood fretboard?

Is there any way to keep the maple fretboard but dye it black or something? I'm not attached enough to the maple tone to never trade it up for real rosewood, but new necks are hells of expensive.

Maybe if I got it aged it'd look nicer. But brand new and sparkling clean it looks really ehhh.

I have one of those. Amazing guitar, it is.
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Post by: Patrick on 01 Jan 2008, 17:46
BITCH I'MA CUT YOU

LET ME GUESS, YOU'RE GONNA USE .10-.46 STRINGS AREN'T YOU

PUSSY
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Post by: greenMonkey on 02 Jan 2008, 06:21
BITCHES, I ALSO REQUIRE BRAND ADVICE

Thanks for the tips!
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Post by: Beastmouth on 02 Jan 2008, 12:45
BITCHES, I ALSO REQUIRE BRAND ADVICE

Thanks for the tips!
Strings?  Don't waste money on Elixirs or any of that fancy junk.  I've had good luck with D'Addario XLs, for me, they sound good and last.  Most importantly, play 11s.  Anything less is just asking to break a string every other week.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Jan 2008, 13:15
break a string every other week.

 :oops:  I guess I should play something heavier.


...Or get better at guitar.  One or the other.
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Post by: Ryder on 02 Jan 2008, 20:39
I just got an old Danelectro Baritone. I've started using instead of bass, and I'm loving it.

My other guitars are an SG 101, a Tele, a Les Paul, a Collings acoustic/electric, and this custom, but unnamed brand acoustic. Some nice variations.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 03 Jan 2008, 01:53
My dads started collecting old acoustic guitars from the 1930's off of ebay. Some of them sound really really sweet. I got this little thing that you put on the tone pot of the guitar called black ice which turns the tone pot into an on guitar overdrive system. It's pretty cool but i miss my tone.
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Post by: Patrick on 03 Jan 2008, 02:01
That would drive me nuts, having to trade one of my tone knobs with an overdrive knob. I'll stick with putting stompboxes (sans springs) on top of my amp.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 03 Jan 2008, 02:12
Yeah it's not that brilliant for just practicing, my dad bought it on a whim. It would be cool if you were in a band and were playing quite a quiet song then you could rip into and awesome solo. Unfortunately me equals no band. :|
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Post by: greenMonkey on 03 Jan 2008, 02:45
I just got an old Danelectro Baritone. I've started using instead of bass, and I'm loving it.

I would love to do this.  I would play Evens songs constantly.
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Post by: BaneAtvar on 03 Jan 2008, 19:57
Been catchin' some John Mayer licks by ear. Guy knows his blues. Mostly pentatonic jollying around, but these days what isn't*?


Other than that, been spoiling my '79 Pro Reverb, and been wiggling around in Open Tunings with my Fender acoustic.

What are -YOU- guys up to?



* - In the mainstream music. Don't get all indie on me.
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Post by: Patrick on 04 Jan 2008, 00:01
Lufthansa finally found all my shit again, so I have my cables and my delay pedal back. I need to get my Marshall back from my friend. When I do, it's Ted Leo cover time.
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Post by: valley_parade on 04 Jan 2008, 07:08
Keep it and tell him it got lost. *nods*
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Post by: valley_parade on 04 Jan 2008, 09:07
I hate you, Gretsch.

HATE YOU. (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gretsch-Guitars-G5122-Double-Cutaway-Electromatic-Hollowbody-Electric-Guitar?sku=514651)
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Post by: Patrick on 04 Jan 2008, 09:09
So I lied about covering Ted Leo when I finally got the chance to record with my delay pedal. Sue me. (http://www.box.net/shared/grea3d6kgc)
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Post by: Thrillho on 04 Jan 2008, 12:59
while i still have it i'm going to make a voicemail greeting of pinch harmonics

You just won at life.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Jan 2008, 22:08
So I lied about covering Ted Leo when I finally got the chance to record with my delay pedal. Sue me. (http://www.box.net/shared/grea3d6kgc)

Nice.
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Post by: Ballard on 05 Jan 2008, 01:29
Nice.
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Post by: valley_parade on 05 Jan 2008, 08:57
Much to the non-delight of Patrick, winter NAMM is coming in two weeks. Ampeg have already announced that they're going to sell moderately priced, wood-based Dan Armstrong models, complete with switchable pickups.

LINK (http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM08/Content/Ampeg/PR/Dan-Armstrong-AMG100-Electric-Guitar.html)
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Post by: Patrick on 05 Jan 2008, 17:47
It's not so much non-delight at a gearhead circlejerk, it's non-delight at the fact that I am fucking poor.

EDIT: Also guys dig this shit. So I shipped my busted-up SG back to Gibson for warranty repair/replacement, right? I paid for delivery confirmation. Been looking back now and then to see if it has even gotten to Gibson, and no go.

So about a day and a half ago, I get an email from my dad saying he's got the guitar back, and he's like "Do you want me to open it for you to see how it is?" I'm like "YAYAYAYA PLZ!" So he opens the package up, and... no SG.

Went back to the tracking thing on the USPS website and I still had the following notice:

"Your item was accepted at 12:44 PM on December 17, 2007 in LIVERMORE, CA 94550. No further information is available for this item."

tl;dr they lost my shit, and if I don't have my SG at my dad's house within a week, I'm filing the insurance claim. I bought $700 worth of insurance in one package, so as to cover both the guitar and the expensive-ass case, and so with the insurance money I am going to buy myself an Epiphone Sheraton II.
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Jan 2008, 02:09
Bump for update on my SG situation.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 07 Jan 2008, 02:40
Thats pretty fucking ridiculous on the postal services part.  What's the Shereaton II like. Looks a bit like an ES 335.
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Post by: Ballard on 07 Jan 2008, 06:42
Wait dogg, they're not paying you the full value of what they lost if you bought that big an assload of insurance?

Good to hear that you're getting something out of it finally, though.
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Post by: Patrick on 07 Jan 2008, 07:39
Well, the guitar was $550 and the case set me back another hundred, so I rounded it up to the next hundred and insured that much. I'm covered, I'm gonna have a guitar again, and this time the headstock angle isn't the ridiculous 17º, it's more like 10º.

Also, as I've told Shane via MSN, it is going to be damn nice to be able to get such strong body-vibe feedback that it's impossible to read the volume and tone knobs.
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Post by: valley_parade on 07 Jan 2008, 07:45
And I thought I was obsessed with feedback...
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Post by: Ballard on 07 Jan 2008, 07:51
.. that's what she said!

I'm dearly sorry
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Post by: Thrillho on 08 Jan 2008, 03:35
Feedback is great. Magnetic Fields just released an album composed of feedback.

I personally have made several collages out of feedback.

Once I set up a panning and tremelo effect or some shit, it was a preset on a pedal, and I left my guitar feeding back. It meant the feedback moved side to side, and in rhythm, and it changed shape. It was AWESOME. So I ran to the next room, set my organ playing on orto so it had this swelling note coming up and down, and then I stood in the doorway between the two rooms playing acoustic guitar over it.

I did this for like, half an hour to an hour. I lost track of time. But it was GREAT.
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Post by: Lummer on 08 Jan 2008, 11:37
Yeah, I guess feedback can be fun, but go ahead and call me a dick pre-emptively, for I have only this to say:

Aren't you supposed to actually play the damn thing?! I've always thought that was what you did with a guitar.
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Post by: Patrick on 08 Jan 2008, 12:51
Some of us do ;)

Nah, I mean, I use feedback like Hendrix did. It's good to have feedback that you can get easily, but still keep under control. Gives you a different means of expression. Some people, such as our darling Gaz here, use it in different ways from how I do it.
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Post by: Lummer on 08 Jan 2008, 13:13
Oh, okay. That's the kind of stuff i occasionally use myself. It is pretty rare though, that I run out of sustain.
<3 Mahogany bodied guitars..

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Post by: Thrillho on 08 Jan 2008, 13:29
Of course you're supposed to play guitars. But I'm at this weird point as a musician where I do allsorts of weird shit to my instruments - anything except put them through effects - to obtain the sound I want. I hope one day to be able to form a metal band and use my lap steel, because you can get some great riffs on that mutha.

Feedback is just another sound, and sound can be used to make music.

I forget where it's from, but there's some song I have somewhere where there's a sample of some guy saying 'you see, we are scientists of sound.'

That's a delightfully pretentious - and sadly appropriate - way of putting it...

Oh yeah, it's from the introduction to some Radio One show.
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Post by: Lummer on 08 Jan 2008, 13:32
I saw a swedish hardcore/sorta-grindcore band called Crowpath last year, and the guitarist used a Lap Steel. I nearly shat my pants with joy at the mere thought of it, but the sound at the venue was horrible so it turned into total mush just like the guitar :(

I imagine it's really cool on record, though.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Jan 2008, 13:45
Lummer made me wonder something with that mahogany body comment. Is there a website that describes the kinds of tones that different tonewoods give?
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Post by: Lummer on 08 Jan 2008, 13:58
Here you are:

http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/options/options_bodywoods.cfm
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Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Jan 2008, 14:28
Ah, thanks a lot.
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Post by: asdfasdf on 08 Jan 2008, 16:34
I'm looking to get into guitar (having played classical piano, other instruments for past 9 years or so), and I want to get an electric. What's the best value i can get for 500$ or less? I was thinking about just buying an entry level strat, but I'm not sure. Any suggestions?
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Post by: Alex C on 08 Jan 2008, 16:48
What do you want to play? A used tele would be good because they're pretty versatile, but a cheap ESP or lower end Ibanez RG isn't bad either if you like metal. I'm a massive newb compared to most here though, so don't mind me too much.
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Post by: 12-tone on 08 Jan 2008, 16:56
I'm looking to get into guitar (having played classical piano, other instruments for past 9 years or so), and I want to get an electric. What's the best value i can get for 500$ or less? I was thinking about just buying an entry level strat, but I'm not sure. Any suggestions?

I'm a big fan of Godin's budget line. Ridiculous quality, American/Canadian made. You can pick up a used Exit-22 that will blow away basically anything else in that price range.

Schecter also makes really good cheap guitars.

In general, stay away from cheap guitars with Floyds. That includes a lot of cheap Ibanez stuff, but they have so many models I'd have to go look at specific ones to know what has who.

PRS SE series can also be killer on the cheap, if you're into those.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 08 Jan 2008, 17:06
My friend got a cheap cort and it is great value for money cost about the 200 quid range. I think it was the cort x5 but could've been the x2, it's a great guitar anyway.
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Post by: Alex C on 08 Jan 2008, 17:21
[In general, stay away from cheap guitars with Floyds. That includes a lot of cheap Ibanez stuff, but they have so many models I'd have to go look at specific ones to know what has who.


Oh god, I'm an idiot; I forgot about that for a second. Uh, yeah, the Ibanez Edge Pro bridge is good, as is a used guitar with a Lo Pro. The Edge Pro II? Not so much, and the III is worse. I have a guitar with the Edge Pro II, and I personally love it enough not to particularly care, but then, I'm comfortable with the idea of having to replace the edge plate in it, which is something I'm sure most people would just rather not have to worry about.
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Post by: jeph on 08 Jan 2008, 17:23
I have no idea what bridge is in my fancy-pants Prestige 7-string, but it works just as well as the original Floyd my old Jackson had on it.
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Post by: 12-tone on 08 Jan 2008, 17:31
Oh god, I'm an idiot; I forgot about that for a second. Uh, yeah, the Ibanez Edge Pro bridge is good, as is a used guitar with a Lo Pro. The Edge Pro II? Not so much, and the III is worse. I have a guitar with the Edge Pro II, and I personally love it enough not to particularly care, but then, I'm comfortable with the idea of having to replace the edge plate in it, which is something I'm sure most people would just rather not have to worry about.

Hey, as long as it's not a lo-TRS.  :cry:

I have no idea what bridge is in my fancy-pants Prestige 7-string, but it works just as well as the original Floyd my old Jackson had on it.

If it was made after 2003 ( I believe) it's got either an Edge III or some kind of ZR. The Edge I and II are pretty nice, and I actually really like the ZR. I don't really know much about the IIIs.

The big issue with the TRS trems was the goddamn knife edges would wear out, and they weren't replaceable. The better quality trems use hardened steel that lasts a lot longer, and some of them have replaceable knife edges. The ZR is rad because it uses a bearing pivot so you don't have to worry about the knife edges getting dull.

To tell the truth though, Ibanez has way too many models of everything for me to really keep track of everything.
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Post by: Alex C on 08 Jan 2008, 17:50
I'm under the impression that the Edge II & III is basically code for a cheaper Edge Pro (as far as I'm aware all three are still being made). If it's a Prestige S I think it's supposed to have the zero resistance and if it's not an Prestige S it should have the Edge Pro I. And yeah, none of them are as bad as the TRS, which as 12-tone said, isn't replaceable. Since TRS equipped guitars are all used these days, that means they basically spell certain doom. :P

But uh, yeah, other than that, I love Ibanez! A lot of people are just picky because for a long time great trems was basically what the Ibanez experience was all about, and the TRS really kind of hurt them in that area.
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Post by: jeph on 08 Jan 2008, 17:52
I looked it up, it's an "Edge Pro 7." So it's pretty good I guess!
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Post by: Alex C on 08 Jan 2008, 17:58
Oh, trust me, there was never any question whether or not your guitar was made of win or not. The guys at Ibanez definitely aren't stupid enough to make a shit Prestige; the TRS and its successor the Edge Pro III (which, after checking, has replaceable knife edges, so should be just fine, if not as sexy as the Edge Pro) exist only because putting a $250-300 trem in a $350 guitar isn't exactly great business sense.
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Post by: 12-tone on 08 Jan 2008, 18:02
Oh, trust me, there was never any question whether or not your guitar was made of win or not. The guys at Ibaneze definitely aren't stupid enough to make a shit Prestige; the TRS and its successor the Edge Pro III (which, after checking, has replaceable knife edges, so should be just fine, if not as sexy as the Edge Pro) exist only because putting a $250-300 trem in a $350 guitar isn't exactly great business sense.

I stand corrected on the Edge I/II/III thing! I was under the impression that it had something to do with Floyd licensing issues.
I wonder if you can find good hardened-steel replacement knife edges for the Edge III. . .

And yeah, if it's a Prestige that pretty much means it's top-notch.
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Post by: Alex C on 08 Jan 2008, 18:11
I think it was a bit of both, actually; I'm pretty certain they got out from under the Floyd Rose license issue with the Edge II to save money and then compounded it by replacing it with a fairly cheap trem for even greater profit. BTW, I didn't mean to imply that the Edge Pro III is actually related to the TRS in design, I just meant it's taking the TRS's place as the low end option for Ibanez guitars. Sorry for any confusion and bear in mind that I'm an idiot and could still very well be wrong.

Anyway, if you get an ibanez it's probably best to just get a used one with a regular Edge Pro or just a good ol' fixed bridge if you don't plan on dive bombing like a maniac.
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Post by: asdfasdf on 08 Jan 2008, 18:14
What about an epiphone les paul?
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Post by: Spluff on 08 Jan 2008, 19:19
My friend got a cheap cort and it is great value for money cost about the 200 quid range. I think it was the cort x5 but could've been the x2, it's a great guitar anyway.

I can vouch for Cort too, I've got a Cort EVL Z-6 as my 'metal guitar'. I paid $700 for it, and it's comparable to a $2000 ESP / LTD. I have seen nothing but quality from what I've seen of their lineup so far.
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Post by: greenMonkey on 08 Jan 2008, 20:19
Guys I'm really happy because I finally got my Dano back, but the bad news is within the next year it will probably need some work.  Some of the lower frets are very worn, and I might need to get them replaced.  I also probably need to get a new bridge, as the stock one is almost shot.  I'm thinking I'll go for the slighty more expensive Dano bridge which is for the U3, but looks like it should fit the U1 also.  It has individual adjustable saddles for each string, as opposed to one large rosewood saddle on the stock U1 bridge.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 09 Jan 2008, 01:48

Hey, as long as it's not a lo-TRS.  :cry:


I hear ya... I have that trem on my 7-string, and god does it suck all kinds of ass. Any kind of use would the low B, and ONLY the low B go crazy out of tune.
It works pretty good as a fixed bridge though.
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Post by: Thrillho on 09 Jan 2008, 04:55
Where has this idea that Teles suck for metal come from? I used exclusively Teles, mostly my Custom, in my metal band before we split and it sounded great.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 09 Jan 2008, 05:08
Yeah i've got a custom tele as well and if you put it on the humbucker and pile the distortion on it sounds brilliant.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Jan 2008, 05:10
I once saw a metal band whose guitarist had a neat Telecaster with dual humbuckers that sounded pretty bad assin'.
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Jan 2008, 06:16
What about an epiphone les paul?

No.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2008, 06:29
What about an epiphone les paul?

Switch the pickups out and it could be decent. I'm thinking about doing that with a plaintop Standard.
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Post by: Lummer on 09 Jan 2008, 07:52
Where has this idea that Teles suck for metal come from? I used exclusively Teles, mostly my Custom, in my metal band before we split and it sounded great.

As long as it has a humbucker, it won't suck.

If it's a completely standard tele with singles... It will. Bad.
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Post by: Thrillho on 09 Jan 2008, 08:09
I always thought that Epiphones were bullshit 'budget' models. For the price of some of the Epiphones, you could get a Fender, not Squier, Telecaster.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2008, 08:11
Scary fact: Squier's been getting pretty decent lately.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 09 Jan 2008, 08:21
I think epiphones are pretty good. My friend got an eiphone les paul and it sounds really good, i also tried an epiphone and a gibson les paul out side by side in a music shop and i liked the sound of the epiphone a lot more.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2008, 08:27
I am calling shenanigans. Better than a Gibson?

That said, I heart my Epi Firebird.
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Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 08:28
The hell? That's really weird. Was the Gibson set up properly?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 09 Jan 2008, 08:33
Dunno should have been if it was in a guitar store, i definitely remember the epiphone sounding better.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 09 Jan 2008, 08:35
Scary fact: Squier's been getting pretty decent lately.

Yup, I use Squiers all the time...

As for Epiphones sounding better, 'better' is in the ear of the beholder, and wood is inconsistent as a material, so it's entirely possible.
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Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 08:40
Dunno should have been if it was in a guitar store

Hahahahaha. Yeah, this should be the case but it never really is. If you were at a chain store such as Guitar Center that guitar probably hasn't been touched since it was put together at a factory. They go straight from the box out onto the shelves.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 09 Jan 2008, 08:47
It was a small store in the middle of Perth (Scotland) i ended up getting a fender jaguar from there but that was a mistake as i rarely ever use it and my telecaster is far more versatile, nicer to play and looks a lot better.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2008, 08:57
Send all unused Jaguars to:


Eh. PM me for address.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 09 Jan 2008, 08:59
I'm actually looking to sell it if anyone wants to buy it. Its got a couple of dents in it and one largish dent which doesn't affect the playing at all but does look a bit out of place.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2008, 09:04
*rummages through wallet*

I've got $1 and some used ice hockey tickets.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Jan 2008, 09:30
I'm actually looking to sell it if anyone wants to buy it. Its got a couple of dents in it and one largish dent which doesn't affect the playing at all but does look a bit out of place.

How. Much.

Fun fact: everybody who liked that little song I posted featuring my delay pedal? You admitted to liking the sound of a Squier.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 09 Jan 2008, 09:47
£400-£450, i replaced the shitty jaguar bridge with a decent jagstang bridge so that the strings don't keep falling off when you pluck them to hard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 09 Jan 2008, 10:50
I always thought that Epiphones were bullshit 'budget' models. For the price of some of the Epiphones, you could get a Fender, not Squier, Telecaster.

I think epiphones get a bad wrap.  Great hollowbodys, great semi-hollows, great acoustics and some great electrics.  Unfortunately, most people know them from their solid body models, which are admittedly generally bad.

Scary fact: Squier's been getting pretty decent lately.

I played some of the "Vintage Modified" series of basses, and I have to say, I agree.  I want to check out that new Precision TB bass that's built like an old-school tele bass with a single Gibson-style bass humbucker.  Looks tasty.

I just purchased one of these guys- http://cgi.ebay.com/60s-PRECISION-BASS-REISSUE-CUSTOM-BUILD-PRO-SET-UP_W0QQitemZ300188483500QQihZ020QQcategoryZ64400QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

It's a hand made custom repro of a '62 Fender P-bass.  I basically wrote the guy and asked if he'd make me a bass like the one in the listing (the listing had closed at the time) and he agreed.  He let me pick my neck and body (sunburst alder with tort pickguard and curly maple neck with rosewood fretboard) and changed the things I hated about my old p-bass- that the truss rod access was at the body joint instead of the headstock and that the neck ended at 21 frets (you know, for all those soaring C# notes you're always having to play). It was ridiculously inexpensive.  I should have it by Thursday or Friday.  If anyone's interested I'll let you know how it came out.  He was a real cool guy and easy as hell to work with.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: asdfasdf on 09 Jan 2008, 10:54
Stratocaster vs. Telecaster (fender models)? Which one is more versatile, sounds better, etc. And what would I have to do with them in terms of replacing pickups etc.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Jan 2008, 11:02
*shrug* I think we're all Tele fans around here, so uh..

Telecaster.

Sound-wise, it's really up to you. Go try out a few different models, get whichever one sounds the best to you. If you want versatility, I'd go with an HSS Strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Jan 2008, 12:50
I don't know really, I haven't played enough genuine Fender Stratocasters to really be familiar with them, but I have a Squire Strat that is fairly nice.  I'm not very partial, but if I had to choose one or the other, I guess a Telecaster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Jan 2008, 13:02
If you want versatility, I'd go with an HSS Strat.

Don't say that around Jeph. He will hurt you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 13:08
I will help him.

(I know you love your Bullet Pat and that's cool but in general I hate Strats)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Jan 2008, 13:28
Replace the humbucker with a Duncan of some kind and maybe Jeph won't napalm your entire family.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 17:07
TOO LATE THE BOMBS ARE IN THE AIR

(actually they are just aimed at the DiMarzio factory. God I hate their pickups)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 17:08
Also someday I will own one of these

(http://www.andersonguitars.com/images/guitarImages/01,27,2007_04-13-18.jpg)

but without the stupid super-fancy quilted maple top.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 09 Jan 2008, 17:10
Oh wow.  The finish is a bit over the top, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 17:11
Yeah, agreed. I really just want a black one with a cream pickguard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 17:18
I honestly do not like black guitars at all. Acoustic or electric. They look so boring.

The only one I've ever been partial to is a custom Tele with white binding and a cream pickguard that we have at work. I wish people used white binding more. It totally makes that guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 17:20
See that's why I LIKE black guitars. Nothing ostentatious about them (unless they have some wacky BC Rich body shape).

Binding pretty much always makes a guitar look nicer.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Jan 2008, 17:25
See that's why I LIKE black guitars. Nothing ostentatious about them (unless they have some wacky BC Rich body shape).

Binding pretty much always makes a guitar look nicer.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I tried to explain that to the others in the electric guitar selection topic, but they wouldn't listen.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 17:26
You should still not buy a black SG. Everybody knows SGs are supposed to be cherry.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 17:29
Dude there's a fine line between gaudy and beautiful. My proof?

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/8/7/5/269875.jpg)

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/7/3/3/230733.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 17:32
Man even Zakk Wylde must be embarassed by that travesty of an instrument

when he's not busy drinking and beating up homosexuals, anyway
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: 12-tone on 09 Jan 2008, 17:35
I honestly do not like black guitars at all. Acoustic or electric. They look so boring.

The only one I've ever been partial to is a custom Tele with white binding and a cream pickguard that we have at work. I wish people used white binding more. It totally makes that guitar.

I like this tele:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/6/6/6/374666.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 17:40
Tell me about it Jeph. The camo one with the original black bullseye design over it isn't any better.

What's with the curved back on that Tele?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: 12-tone on 09 Jan 2008, 17:42
I guess they decided to make on that wasn't shaped like a block. It makes it feel a lot more strat-like, actually.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 18:39
That Tele's all right, but I'm partial to ones with a pickguard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 09 Jan 2008, 18:46
Yeah, chuck a white pickguard on that Tele and omg splooge.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Jan 2008, 19:13
You should still not buy a black SG. Everybody knows SGs are supposed to be cherry.
Cherry would just look horrible for me, maybe one of the brown colors would look better, but after reading Kim's troubles with his SG, I think I am going to go with something else, no matter how awesome SGs look. And Tony Iommi uses a black SG, he singlehandedly makes black SGs awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 19:15
SGs are pretty variable in terms of sound quality. Most of the ones I've played have pretty loose, flabby-sounding bottom end, but every once in a while you come across one that sounds super tight and focused. I guess it's probably something to do with the wood as they all have the same pickups and such.

If I didn't already have a Firebird Studio (which is basically just an SG with a thinner neck and different body shape) I'd want one, I think.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Jan 2008, 19:24
I have no idea what you are talking about sound-wise, I am very new at this, I have been playing a cheapo behringer for the past couple of years, and am just starting to look into a new guitar, because I want a metal guitar, which my strat-clone isn't. I assume you mean that when you switch the amp to playing as low a tone as you can get, some of the SGs just sound really sloppy and mushy, but some of them sound fine?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 20:21
Yeah, basically.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lazer on 09 Jan 2008, 20:48
Playin muh Jackson Stealth EX. Thin neck and decent pickups, it's meant to be a metal guitar but if you jack up the bass on the amp and switch the tone nob down several turns it sounds wonderfully jazzy. Funnily enough I got it as a gift from a guitar collector and had previously never fucking heard of it.

Any tips to make it sound better? Right now unless I'm in jazzy mode it just sounds very generic. Looking for a good amp for it basically, any suggestions? I refuse to get a different guitar as this one is so damn comfortable. Seriously, thin as hell and weighs roughly 6 and a quarter pounds, if that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 09 Jan 2008, 20:50
TOO LATE THE BOMBS ARE IN THE AIR

(actually they are just aimed at the DiMarzio factory. God I hate their pickups)

At the risk of getting bombed into the dark ages, what is that you don't like about DiMarzios? I realize that's a pretty vague question, but if it's just a fear of being mistaken for Steve Vai or something I wouldn't worry about it too much unless you wear fruity blouses more often than I was previously led to believe. I've been in the market for new pickups for a while, but I should probably demonstrate some goddam discipline for once and man up for a decent amp first.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 20:53
Dude, have you seen photos of Jeph? Vai looks like a tiny wimp compared to him.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 09 Jan 2008, 20:59
Agreed, but the risk of underestimating the power of Vai's wardrobe gave me pause.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Jan 2008, 21:03
Every guitar with DiMarzios I have ever played sounded thin, tinny, and had awful midrange.

My Ibanez may be an exception, as I suspect DiMarzio makes Ibanez's "fancier" pickups, and if anything that guitar has too MUCH bass. I have to turn down the gain on my amp whenever I plug that fucker in because the pickups are so hot and bassy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chaon on 09 Jan 2008, 22:25
My guitar time!
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4070/002fw4.jpg)\
i still need to drill new holes for the damn strap buttons, Ibanez puts them in horible places on this guitar
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 09 Jan 2008, 23:27
What the hell is this?

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=59048

It looks like something you would perform surgery with.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 09 Jan 2008, 23:40
What's the medical term for "mind numbing" again?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Jan 2008, 02:46
"Cerebral anesthesia"?

i still need to drill new holes for the damn strap buttons, Ibanez puts them in horible places on this guitar

Ouch man. It's like they want the horns to snap. Just uh, don't drill near that neck, it already looks like that pickup rout is taking a lot of strength out of it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 10 Jan 2008, 11:03
"Cerebral anesthesia"?

i still need to drill new holes for the damn strap buttons, Ibanez puts them in horible places on this guitar

Ouch man. It's like they want the horns to snap. Just uh, don't drill near that neck, it already looks like that pickup rout is taking a lot of strength out of it.

The guitar is a neck-thru, so it's not that bad.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PacoSees on 10 Jan 2008, 11:48
What the hell is this?

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=59048

It looks like something you would perform surgery with.

I totally thought it said Moose-r.

It looks like one of those weapons those guys in Star Trek used.

(Don't ask me which series or episode or species... I was like, 6.)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 10 Jan 2008, 12:11
I always thought that Epiphones were bullshit 'budget' models. For the price of some of the Epiphones, you could get a Fender, not Squier, Telecaster.

I think epiphones get a bad wrap.  Great hollowbodys, great semi-hollows, great acoustics and some great electrics.  Unfortunately, most people know them from their solid body models, which are admittedly generally bad.

I wasn't making any comment about the quality of Epis as guitars. I just thought it was a little wacky that their 'budget' model is the same price as a mid-range guitar from their leading competitor.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Jan 2008, 12:49
Fun fact: Fender top-end guitars cost the same as Gibson's standard-run models.

Juuuust sayin'.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 10 Jan 2008, 14:01
Fun fact: Fender top-end guitars cost the same as Gibson's standard-run models.


Yeah, but they aren't Gibsons, now are they?! ;)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Jan 2008, 17:15
What the hell is this?

http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=59048

It looks like something you would perform surgery with.

I totally thought it said Moose-r.

Neil Moser used to be one of BC Rich's main designers. Now he's making his own, even more ridiculous-looking models.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Jan 2008, 17:16
My guitar time!
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4070/002fw4.jpg)\
i still need to drill new holes for the damn strap buttons, Ibanez puts them in horible places on this guitar

Oh man someone actually bought one of those things!

I simultaneously HATE it and LOVE it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Jan 2008, 17:29
I think it's fucking beautiful, in the kitchiest way possible.

I generally hate stereotypical pointy metal guitars (mind bombing the B.C Rich plant when you're done with DiMarzio?). But the shape combined with the sparkle finish, both usually lame as shit, makes for a gorgeous guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Jan 2008, 17:32
I hate most BC Riches, but I think Warlocks are pretty sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Jan 2008, 17:42
Ehhhhhhhhh.

Granted, all of my experience with them is the low end models that a couple of poser metalheads at my school have.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Jan 2008, 17:44
Oh, I've never played one that SOUNDED good. They just look cool.

I imagine the USA-made ones are as good as anything else though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Jan 2008, 20:13
I would hate a guitar in that shiny green, and I would hate a guitar with that shape, but I like the looks of that one. Don't know how they did it.

Yeah, the warlock looks kinda cool, reminds me of a beetle or something, like if you put something between the prongs, it will suddenly snap shut and cut through whatever you put in there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chaon on 10 Jan 2008, 20:29
A little better picture, if only for teh shirt.
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6828/003ii9.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Jan 2008, 20:41
Are those comfortable? I haven't use any electrics other than strats, but I imagine that something like that wouldn't be nearly as comfortable to play, compared to something with a more conventional shape.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 10 Jan 2008, 20:48
They're actually not that bad, because both the bottom and the top are just a curve (the ends don't really matter). The only thing is that if you stop playing fast metal solos in the vein of power metal or megadeth and play something else, even just for a moment, you feel like your no longer worthy to play the guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chaon on 10 Jan 2008, 20:55
Generaly it's very comfortable, i haven't redone the strap pins yet so it has a neck dropping problem still, which has been forcing me to play it sitting down, and it's surprisingly comfortable sitting down, sits a lot like a strat would with your arm resting halfway down the fin that my forearm is resting against instead of against the round part of a strat. On the other hand i'm still trying to find a decently prices guitar stand that will accommodate the shape (trying to avboid a wall mount). On a completely unrelated note but something that i should mention my amp is a Vox ad50vt 212.

Note, guy above me posted that while i was writing all of this.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Jan 2008, 20:57
They're actually not that bad, because both the bottom and the top are just a curve (the ends don't really matter). The only thing is that if you stop playing fast metal solos in the vein of power metal or megadeth and play something else, even just for a moment, you feel like your no longer worthy to play the guitar.
So it is like Speed? If you go slower than Youthanasia, your self-esteem explodes?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Jan 2008, 21:11
One part of me hopes Youthanasia is the name of a metal song, but another really, really hopes it's not.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Jan 2008, 21:13
Metal album, it was also a track on the album. It was the slowest Megadeth album I can think of. Still a really good one.

(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2355/megadethyouthanasiafg8.jpg)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 10 Jan 2008, 21:18
A little better picture, if only for teh shirt.
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6828/003ii9.jpg)

Can I put this on the merch page?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 10 Jan 2008, 21:20
Just a quick followup to a previous post- I just got in my handmade '62 reissue p-bass.  I bought it from a seller on ebay called "bikebassnut" if you want to look him up.  He sold it to me direct and let me choose my options- a countoured alder suburst body with tortoise pickguad, classic pickups and bridge, and a figured maple neck with a rosewood fretboard.  He had it done in 3 weeks and sent it on out.  Even with shipping and handling it was less than half the price of a U.S.A. p-bass.  The finish is beautiful, the pickups sound punchy as hell, and it plays better than any bass I've ever owned.  The drawbacks- the tortoise pickguard is one of those fake pixelated tortoise guards that I'll be replacing soon; and, the neck has too high gloss of a finish on it, which is more of a personal preference.  I highly recommend him to anybody looking to get a new Fender style bass.  He's easy as hell to work with and cheap as they come for what he does.  
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chaon on 10 Jan 2008, 21:37
sure, you can put it on the merch page
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Jan 2008, 21:57
Man, I don't know the first thing about playing metal or even listening to it. But ever since I first saw Jeph talk about high end metal guitars I've wanted to learn to play it if only to justify getting one like the one above.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 10 Jan 2008, 22:05
Oh, I've never played one that SOUNDED good. They just look cool.

I imagine the USA-made ones are as good as anything else though.

I like the sound and playability of the all-natural 70's B.C. Rich guitars like the Eagle and Mockingbird.  The basses form that era are nice as hell, too.  
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 11 Jan 2008, 07:53
I have a late 70's to Mid 80's Japanese made Warlock that totally does not suck ass like the current import models do.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: asdfasdf on 11 Jan 2008, 11:52
Alright, so I've decided to get a fender telecaster. What should I know about buying one (eg any types to avoid, is the standard model worth it)?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 11 Jan 2008, 14:07
Alright, so I've decided to get a fender telecaster. What should I know about buying one (eg any types to avoid, is the standard model worth it)?

I bought a standard Mexican tele a couple years ago that had a neck twisting issue, which is very bad.  A friend of mine had a similar problem.  Obviously, this is anecdotal and may be resolved, but I am of the belief that you should stick to Fender USA or Japan. 

That said, what type of tone are you looking for?  Are you going twang or metal or something more versatile?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Jan 2008, 14:48
Fender Japan is a bitch and a half to import though, I don't think they're actually allowed to send stuff to the States.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 11 Jan 2008, 15:08
The Ibanez 2008 catalogue:

http://www.t3-kundenserver.de/htmlpages/redasys/_core/databases/t_meinl-uploads/e-git_2008-mini.pdf

I'm diggin' the Omar Rodriguez signature model. Really!

2008 ESP new models.

http://www.espguitars.com/ESPdealer/08models/
http://www.espguitars.com/ESP-2008-Catalog.pdf

And also, the BC Rich 2008 lineup:

http://bcrich.com/2008_bc_rich_catalog.pdf
They now have a Chuck Schuldiner tribute model, which is about damn time!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 11 Jan 2008, 19:18
Oh. My. God.

(http://www.espguitars.com/ESPdealer/08models/Viper-1000_OW.jpg)

That is a CREAM VIPER. I now know what it's like to be a girl, because I just had multiple orgasms.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 11 Jan 2008, 20:49
I like how for the ibanez one, they say "This is the future" and then show a superstrat. Seems I remember seeing a few of those in the past.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 11 Jan 2008, 23:37
The Ibanez 2008 catalogue:

http://www.t3-kundenserver.de/htmlpages/redasys/_core/databases/t_meinl-uploads/e-git_2008-mini.pdf

I'm diggin' the Omar Rodriguez signature model. Really!

2008 ESP new models.

http://www.espguitars.com/ESPdealer/08models/
http://www.espguitars.com/ESP-2008-Catalog.pdf

And also, the BC Rich 2008 lineup:

http://bcrich.com/2008_bc_rich_catalog.pdf
They now have a Chuck Schuldiner tribute model, which is about damn time!


oh god my pants are covered in jizz
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: 12-tone on 12 Jan 2008, 07:40
Fender Japan is a bitch and a half to import though, I don't think they're actually allowed to send stuff to the States.

I've never personally ordered something from there, but as far as I know Ishibashi (http://www.ishibashi-music.com/) is pretty much the place to do it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Jan 2008, 10:21
I read somewhere that if you purchase a Japanese-made Jazzmaster, you're going to get what are essentially Stratocaster pickups that only look like the authentic Jazzmaster pickups.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 12 Jan 2008, 12:31
How do those vipers feel? Is there a reason for that angle on the body other than not wanting to get sued by gibson?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Jan 2008, 02:42
I read somewhere that if you purchase a Japanese-made Jazzmaster, you're going to get what are essentially Stratocaster pickups that only look like the authentic Jazzmaster pickups.

Get some Duncans for it, then. Problem solved.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Jan 2008, 03:50
How do those vipers feel? Is there a reason for that angle on the body other than not wanting to get sued by gibson?

They're said to be a bit neck heavy, and I can *sort of* confirm that.

I had the Viper 407 once, but ended up taking it back to the store, due to the balance.
The Viper owners I've heard from, though, say this is easily fixed by moving the strap button.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jan 2008, 07:12
2008 ESP new models.

(http://www.espguitars.com/ESPdealer/08models/PB-500_BLK.jpg)

Oooooh.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PacoSees on 13 Jan 2008, 10:40
It seems like that guitar has too many strings.  It would look better as a bass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jan 2008, 10:45
You didn't see the three or four 8 strings they're putting out, did you?


How would one tune those, anyway? GBEADGBE or BEADGBEA?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jan 2008, 11:17
Probably the first one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Jan 2008, 11:39
How would one play those, anyway?

Fixed that for you. How it is physically possible to play a 7-string alone is beyond me, but an 8-string? You've got to be kidding me. Unless you're one of those people who taps entire chords at once, in which case, die in a fire, shredder scum.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 13 Jan 2008, 11:49
Die in a fire unless you are Ian Williams (formerly of Don Cab, currently of Battles), because then you're just amazing, and play guitar and keyboard at the same time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Jan 2008, 12:37
Or Michael Angelo Batio, who plays two guitars at once, and has a quad-guitar.

I think the Viper neck-heaviness also applies to SGs, I wonder what causes that? Too small a body? Too dense a neck?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 13 Jan 2008, 12:48
Michael Angelo Batio encapsulates all of the reasons why I would ever join KimJongSick in lighting a shredder on fire.

I love Don Caballero though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: CarpeNoctem on 13 Jan 2008, 13:03
Die in a fire unless you are Ian Williams (formerly of Don Cab, currently of Battles), because then you're just amazing, and play guitar and keyboard at the same time.
Don Cab is terrific. Is there something wrong with me liking the new album (with the only original member being Che) almost more than the others?

Or Michael Angelo Batio, who plays two guitars at once, and has a quad-guitar.
Michael Angelo Batio is horrible. Horrible. His hair looks like one of those hats that the queen's guard wears, and his music is cornier than the Top Gun soundtrack.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Jan 2008, 13:19
How would one play those, anyway?

Fixed that for you. How it is physically possible to play a 7-string alone is beyond me, but an 8-string? You've got to be kidding me. Unless you're one of those people who taps entire chords at once, in which case, die in a fire, shredder scum.

Well.... It's the exact same thing as a regular guitar.

Why people have that whole ignorant/condescending/n00b attitude towards extended range guitars is completely beyond me.
It's an extra string or two, nothing more.
Get over it, or even better, start using it.

By the way, the 8-strings are normally tuned F# B E A D G B E.
Some people tune them up though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Jan 2008, 14:05
Michael Angelo Batio encapsulates all of the reasons why I would ever join KimJongSick in lighting a shredder on fire.

I love Don Caballero though.
He plays amazingly fast, I don't care much for his music, and a 6 minute solo is way too much, but watching him play amazes me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jan 2008, 14:56
It bores the crap out of me.  My friends were drooling over his "skillz" and I was like, "Dude, finger tapping is nothing new."  People use eight fingers to tap all the time, and they generally make better music than Michael Angelo Batio, too.

That's my two cents, anyways.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Jan 2008, 15:40
I think part of it is the ability to hold it up while playing like that. Maybe his playing just impressses newbies, but hey, I am entertained. And that is what matters.

edit: You know... with the other two guitars he has now, is he going to play with his toes? That would be impressive.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 13 Jan 2008, 20:07
Don Cab is terrific. Is there something wrong with me liking the new album (with the only original member being Che) almost more than the others?

Yes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 13 Jan 2008, 20:28
Seven string guitars are just as easy to play as 6-strings. For me, anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 13 Jan 2008, 20:31
Or Michael Angelo Batio, who plays two guitars at once, and has a quad-guitar.

I think the Viper neck-heaviness also applies to SGs, I wonder what causes that? Too small a body? Too dense a neck?

It's a combination of the strap button placement and the heavy headstock. You can alleviate it somewhat by moving the top strap button onto the upper horn of the guitar, but it'll always still balance horizontally most comfortably.

Also why anybody would go drilling holes in a perfectly good SG is utterly beyond me. I cry when people mod Gibsons.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chaon on 13 Jan 2008, 20:33
Ya i sorta wish i had waited on the xiphos, word is now theres gonna be a 7 string available and i sorta would have liked a 7 string, but o well, ill just get that 8 string eventually to go with my xiphos,
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Jan 2008, 22:18
Or Michael Angelo Batio, who plays two guitars at once, and has a quad-guitar.

I think the Viper neck-heaviness also applies to SGs, I wonder what causes that? Too small a body? Too dense a neck?

It's a combination of the strap button placement and the heavy headstock. You can alleviate it somewhat by moving the top strap button onto the upper horn of the guitar, but it'll always still balance horizontally most comfortably.

Also why anybody would go drilling holes in a perfectly good SG is utterly beyond me. I cry when people mod Gibsons.

Part of me wants to dredge up pictures of modded gibsons, part of me doesn't want to be that much of an asshole, and the last part of me just doesn't want to piss off the admin.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Johnny C on 13 Jan 2008, 22:25
I plan to Sonic Youth a seven-string guitar my friends own.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Jan 2008, 02:40
I am going to side with the "I hate seeing modded Gibsons" crowd. I can't justify voiding the warranty on something that expensive just so it looks pretty.

EDIT: Speaking of Gibsons, I got my empty case back from Gibson, right? I decided to wait before whining at them, I was expecting them to send my guitar in a separate box for safety's sake and all that (they don't like replacing my shit as much as I don't like having broken shit), but nothing is at my dad's house still.

So I sent them an email pretty much asking them "lol wher's my gitar?? did u guys even get it or did u just get a empty case??"

tl;dr FUCK this is annoying
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Jan 2008, 10:32
I plan to Sonic Youth a seven-string guitar my friends own.

Dig out the frets, put four bass strings on it and stick drumsticks under the strings?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: cmalberg on 14 Jan 2008, 12:19
Soooo....I play uke. Haha...have my moms old (probably about 1960) cheapo Yamaha when I want to play guitar, although I about cried when my girlfriends father threw away an old acoustic/electric guitar that was her great uncles. Got wet and had some serious body damage, but I would have payed an arm to get it fixed. And the rumor was that it was haunted. Can you imagine owning a haunted guitar? Awesome.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Jan 2008, 16:21
http://www.virb.com/djmacintyre/videos/35666

Guys, check out this video. I'm drooling uncontrollably!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Jan 2008, 16:24
Saw that show on Saturday, actually.

I had no idea so much of Gibson's construction was still done by hand, like fitting the neck joint. No wonder they're so friggin' expensive.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Jan 2008, 16:54
I really fucking love my Les Paul. It just feels so solid and..... right!!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Jan 2008, 18:23
I had one for a while but traded it in for a bunch of cash and a Firebird Studio. I just like the old 490/498 pickups better than the newfangled BurstBuckers. Also it was a little too fancy looking for me. My Fancy Guitar slot is and always will be held by my McCarty.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 14 Jan 2008, 18:43
So, I just changed string gauges from .10's to .13's.  Is there anything I need to do other than adjusting truss tension to compensate for the increased string tension?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Jan 2008, 18:45
You'll need to get the bridge reintonated, which you can also do yourself if you have a good tuner and the right tools.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 15 Jan 2008, 00:49
You might have to change the action at the bridge too. Setups are quite holistic, adjusting the truss rod and intonation will probably result in you having to tweak the action. Also, if the strings don't fit in the nut it's recommended you should file the string slots so they do.

Fender Japan is a bitch and a half to import though, I don't think they're actually allowed to send stuff to the States.

They're not, but it's not enforced. It's very easy to import guitars from Japan, I don't know how it is with US customs and taxes and stuff, but to Australia I have no problems. Ordering from Ishibashi is a breeze.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Jan 2008, 04:23
For a bridge that is called the 'tune-o-matic', it is certainly a pain in the ass to intonate as compared to a Fender bridge. The winding on the heavier-gauge strings tends to get caught on those mighty pointy saddles, so you have to detune and lift the strings and retune and arrrrrgh.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: negative creep on 15 Jan 2008, 07:42
You'll need to get the bridge reintonated, which you can also do yourself if you have a good tuner and the right tools.



Really? I changed from a regular set (.010 - .046 or something) to a set with a .070 as the lowest string (highest is still a .010, though) and I didn't do anything. Sounds just fine, to my ear.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Jan 2008, 08:15
I cry when people mod Gibsons.

You have no clue how much I wanted to rush the stage and punch the vocalist from American Steel when I saw them last year.. He had this great wine red LP Custom that was completely GUTTED. Just the bridge humbucker and volume pot were left on it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 15 Jan 2008, 14:01
For a bridge that is called the 'tune-o-matic', it is certainly a pain in the ass to intonate as compared to a Fender bridge. The winding on the heavier-gauge strings tends to get caught on those mighty pointy saddles, so you have to detune and lift the strings and retune and arrrrrgh.
I can't tell if you're kidding or not.  Every Gibson I've set up/played I've always used nut files to slot each saddle.
Also, who cares if someone takes the pickups out of an old Gibson?  Let's hope none of you crybabies every saw the Who!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bbqrocks on 15 Jan 2008, 14:03
My friend is about to get a BC Rich Beast. Any hints/tips/recommendations/bursts of outrage, apart from the fact he is probably going to disembowl himself with it one day?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bbqrocks on 15 Jan 2008, 14:10
Yeah, I know I am posting fast. If its annoying people, I will slow down- Its just sometimes when you make a couple of posts on a forum, people just ignore you. So yeah, I'll slow down now- Seems like I have made a slight impact. Any thoughts on the guitar?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 15 Jan 2008, 16:56
Pete Townshend is a douchebag.

Fun fact: He is essentially responsible for the invention of the 4x12 speaker cabinet, but he originally intended it to be an 8x12. When Jim Marshall remarked that an 8x12 cab would be really heavy and difficult for his roadies to move, Townshend replied "fuck 'em, they get paid."

Two weeks later the cabs were back in Jim's shop, being sawn in half. And that is why we use 4x12s to this day.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Jan 2008, 17:08
Every Gibson I've set up/played I've always used nut files to slot each saddle.
Also, who cares if someone takes the pickups out of an old Gibson?  Let's hope none of you crybabies every saw the Who!

I have been lurking /b/ for the last year and a half and I have never seen something that chilled me to the bone as much as this single post. Taking a file to anything on a Gibson? I damn near murdered my dad when he took 200-grit sandpaper to the cutaways of my SG to smooth them out.

Also Jeph I am pretty sure that the dude who invented the wheel would be rolling in his grave if he knew people weren't using it to it's full potential. And come on, it only takes two roadies to lift the bloody thing into a van anyway. 150lbs carried by two people? Hell, even my waifish skinny ass can deal with that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 16 Jan 2008, 06:25
Since we're on the subject of Gibsons, I just got a very nice custom doublecut LP Jr. It plays pretty damn well... the single P-90 is really hot. Pics later (maybe.)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 16 Jan 2008, 09:27
That is -awesome-. Also, I hate to post for the 384965976th time in the last page alone, and especially with caps, but OH FUCK YEAH GIBSON ACTUALLY RECEIVED MY SG AND THEY ARE REPLACING IT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2008, 11:46
I can't figure out what kind of guitar John K. Samson plays.  He switches between this one that looks like an SG, but not, and a modified Telecaster of sorts.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 16 Jan 2008, 12:09
Every Gibson I've set up/played I've always used nut files to slot each saddle.
Also, who cares if someone takes the pickups out of an old Gibson?  Let's hope none of you crybabies every saw the Who!

I have been lurking /b/ for the last year and a half and I have never seen something that chilled me to the bone as much as this single post. Taking a file to anything on a Gibson? I damn near murdered my dad when he took 200-grit sandpaper to the cutaways of my SG to smooth them out.

Also Jeph I am pretty sure that the dude who invented the wheel would be rolling in his grave if he knew people weren't using it to it's full potential. And come on, it only takes two roadies to lift the bloody thing into a van anyway. 150lbs carried by two people? Hell, even my waifish skinny ass can deal with that.
Are you just that clueless about setting up a guitar?  Do you know what nut files are?  They're tools constructed specifically for shaping nut and saddle slots on a guitar.  Saddles are not meant to be permanent; the strings running over them will wear them out given enough time. 
While I would probably not bother trying to smooth out the cutaways on an SG, I use superfine grit sanding cloths on the neck of every guitar I work on.  Going from 800 up to 6000 makes the neck feel like silk and play much better. 

Also, it might not just be people carrying them that was the problem on the 8x12s.  Just think of how damn big those things were, it'd just be a PITA in general.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Jan 2008, 12:30
I can't figure out what kind of guitar John K. Samson plays.  He switches between this one that looks like an SG, but not, and a modified Telecaster of sorts.

A few minutes spent searching for photos of him on Google reveal that his main guitar is a Gibson Les Paul Jr.

He also has some weird thing that looks like a cross between a Strat and a Mustang.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2008, 12:50
That's what it is?  I guess I don't know my guitars very well.  :|
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Jan 2008, 13:01
(http://dawn.cbcr3.com/concerts/0/486/Images/Jk%20and%20christine%201.jpg)

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/2/0/1/343201.jpg)

There are slight variations so it might be modded (volume/tone knons on top of pickguard, front input jack)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2008, 13:04
Yeah, I'm looking on musiciansfriend.com right now, and it could be something like this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Faded-Double-Cutaway-Electric-Guitar?sku=517512).

I'm still torn between saving up for a $1500 Jazzmaster, or just getting one of these.  I see nothing wrong with it, and it's three times cheaper.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Jan 2008, 13:23
Oh shit, that is a double cutaway. Good spot.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2008, 13:28
Thanks.  So, do you think it's a good idea to go with one of these instead of selling my soul for a Jazzmaster?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 16 Jan 2008, 13:38
Dude, they are two completely different guitars. Jazzmaster soapbar pick-ups sound much more like single coils than Gibson P-90s. Also the floating bridge is a giant pain in the ass- warning you in advance.

Neither is better or worse (though quality control on an American Jazz might be higher). You just have to decide which tone you like more.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2008, 13:42
Yeah.  I wish the stores around here carried those guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 16 Jan 2008, 15:29
(http://dawn.cbcr3.com/concerts/0/486/Images/Jk%20and%20christine%201.jpg)

There are slight variations so it might be modded (volume/tone knons on top of pickguard, front input jack)

It's some form of Double Cutaway Melody Maker. The single pickup version, because it has two knobs.

(http://www.beaverband.co.uk/mediac/400_0/media/2~melody~makers.JPG)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Jan 2008, 16:15
Yeah.  I think you're right.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 16 Jan 2008, 18:37
Melody Makers are nice.  I think I have a preference for simpler guitars.

Although there is some kind of Teisco-like monstrosity at my local music store for $269 and I am EYEING it.

EDIT:  Anyone have any idea what kind of guitar/bass beast this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mXr1nTsWKYk) is?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 16 Jan 2008, 19:12
EDIT:  Anyone have any idea what kind of guitar/bass beast this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mXr1nTsWKYk) is?

Headless, so I'd guess a Steinberger or some Japanese copy thereof.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 16 Jan 2008, 20:16
Can't find any info on it anywhere.  He (guitarist/bassist/vocalist from Boris) also has an amazing Ibanez bass/guitar double-neck.

Has anyone here played the Fender Jaguar Baritone?  It looks pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 17 Jan 2008, 07:44
EDIT:  Anyone have any idea what kind of guitar/bass beast this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mXr1nTsWKYk) is?

Headless, so I'd guess a Steinberger or some Japanese copy thereof.

Kramer did headless stuff for a while too. Could be one of theirs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 17 Jan 2008, 09:46
I've played one. It was a mindfuck and I couldn't get used to it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: glyphic on 17 Jan 2008, 14:09
I've got a few basses and some guitars.

Bass: Fender Aerodyne, Ibanez Soungear six-string, Ibanez EX Series
Guitar: Schecter Ultra-III, Takamine acoustic

I've also got a Microkorg, banjo and an old plastic melodica, but those aren't exactly guitars.

I've taken to playing more blues-driven prog rock lately, so I've gotten the chance to really be surprised at how many different tones I can get out of my Schecter.
(http://www.instrumentpro.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Ultra%20III.jpg)
Unfortunately, changing pickups quickly is next to impossible on it since it has the three three-position switches.
Oh well. That's why I mostly just record all my ideas.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 17 Jan 2008, 17:13
He (guitarist/bassist/vocalist from Boris) also has an amazing Ibanez bass/guitar double-neck.

I just saw a video on YouTube where he was playing a Gibson EDS-1275-style bass/guitar. INTENSE.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RefD on 17 Jan 2008, 21:32
*mentions Geordie Walker from Killing Joke for no apparent reason*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 18 Jan 2008, 04:07
WHAT?! There's an actual person on earth named Geordi? That's not fair. I wanted to change my last name to LaForge just so I can name my kid that.

LaForge is a way radder last name than boring old James anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 18 Jan 2008, 07:25
Hell, the Times Union Center in Albany has a banner for a hockey played called "Geordie Kinnear".

They also have one for Billy Joel, though...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Jan 2008, 07:06
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Epiphone-Tom-Delonge-Signature-ES333-SemiHollow-Electric-Guitar?sku=515625

Part of me (in fact, most) is just screaming "WHYYYYYY?!"

The other 15% is going "you know, that would probably feed back epically. I could totally use that to do another noise album."
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 19 Jan 2008, 07:15
WHAT?! There's an actual person on earth named Geordi? That's not fair. I wanted to change my last name to LaForge just so I can name my kid that.

LaForge is a way radder last name than boring old James anyway.

Har, your last name is a first name.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 19 Jan 2008, 08:14
New from Danelectro: ANOTHER BITCHIN' REISSUE

http://www.danelectro.com/guitars_main.html

*drool*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 19 Jan 2008, 15:36
It looks sweet, but the tail end is funky.  It looks like an ass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 19 Jan 2008, 18:39
I actually thought the bottom was bent at first. But that's a sexy guitar, nonetheless. Wonder how it'd sit in a stand though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 19 Jan 2008, 19:39
Ugh. You know, I really, really love my current 6 string Ibanez, but between all the Kyuss love in a few other threads and Jeph's "My 7 string Prestige is so sexy, but man, these pickups are so hot and bassy it's actually bordering on overkill..." comments I've been spending the last few nights trying to figure out if I can sell a kidney or something to get one, tune it down to C, steal my brother's bass amp and unleash some godzilla riffs.  :evil:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 19 Jan 2008, 21:20
Dude, I'm just lusting over the Jaguar Baritone HH. Humbuckers and B tuning.  Also, my friend is getting his Fender cab back from getting the speakers replaced, and will be running his Bassman through it.  Jaguar Bari HH + Bassman = ZOMGSPLOOGE.

...But the Jag bari is about $700 too expensive...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 20 Jan 2008, 04:27
Ugh. You know, I really, really love my current 6 string Ibanez, but between all the Kyuss love in a few other threads and Jeph's "My 7 string Prestige is so sexy, but man, these pickups are so hot and bassy it's actually bordering on overkill..." comments I've been spending the last few nights trying to figure out if I can sell a kidney or something to get one, tune it down to C, steal my brother's bass amp and unleash some godzilla riffs.  :evil:

By all means go ahead. I've tried the same model as Jeph owns, and it is one smexy guitar. Shouldn't be a problem tuning it up to C either, if you know how to setup a Floyd Rose.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 20 Jan 2008, 06:52
Ugh. You know, I really, really love my current 6 string Ibanez, but between all the Kyuss love in a few other threads and Jeph's "My 7 string Prestige is so sexy, but man, these pickups are so hot and bassy it's actually bordering on overkill..." comments I've been spending the last few nights trying to figure out if I can sell a kidney or something to get one, tune it down to C, steal my brother's bass amp and unleash some godzilla riffs.  :evil:

You do realise to tune DOWN to C on a 7 string, you'd be tuning down by something like five tones (can't be arsed to think about it). A 7 string's lowest string is a B in standard tuning.

I want to get a 7 string to try some Drop A.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Jan 2008, 08:03
Drop C on a 7 string would be pretty close to an octave for the lowest string, or something like that, right?

EDIT - Hah. 1111th post.  It's kind of like 11:11.  Which is my favorite time.  I don't know why.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 20 Jan 2008, 08:47
Drop C on a 7 string would be pretty close to an octave for the lowest string, or something like that, right?

Yes, a major 7th, actually.

However, that would be short of impossible to do, since a guitar is not a bass.

Just tune it up, that's heavy enough, still.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 20 Jan 2008, 09:35
It's all academic anyway. Even when my student loans and tax return comes in, I really need to spend the cash on a new car more than anything. I'm fairly sure the dealership I got my last car from was secretly Crazy Akbar's Not-A-Deathtrap Autos.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 20 Jan 2008, 13:38
I want to get a 7 string to try some Drop A.

Yeah, drop A seems to be about as low as you can reasonably go and still get any definition out of the thing. Of course, it could be the pickups. As soon as I find a decent guitar tech in my area I'm swapping in some Duncans.

(I would wire it myself but Ibanez does those wacky split/series/parallel pickup selections that make things very confusing in the control cavity)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 20 Jan 2008, 14:42
I really need to spend the cash on a new car more than anything.

Get your priorities in shape, nothing is more important than buying a ridiculously expensive car.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Jan 2008, 16:47
Besides buying a ridiculously expensive guitar, right?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 20 Jan 2008, 21:24
Guys, I think we can all agree that this is coolest thing ever:

(http://www.microphoneheaven.com/guitarbass4.jpg)
http://www.microphoneheaven.com/guitarbass/ (http://www.microphoneheaven.com/guitarbass/)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 20 Jan 2008, 21:30
Just give me that instrument, 2 good loop pedals, and a bunch of effects, and I will never ever ever ever be bored.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 20 Jan 2008, 21:31
That would confuse the hell out of me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 21 Jan 2008, 00:43
That has got to be the worst design I've ever seen - I want it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Jan 2008, 02:43
Besides buying a ridiculously expensive guitar, right?

I am an idiot and need to proofread more often, because that is totally what I meant to say.

That guitar/bass thing is *fabulous*. I would go the same route as onewheelwizzard and just loop the hell out of it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 21 Jan 2008, 03:27
I'm thinking it's time I picked up a new bass this year. Current candidates are:

http://www.fender.com/products//search.php?partno=0194060720

http://espguitars.com/images/basses/vintage-4_3TB.jpg

http://www.glguitars.com/instruments/bigpic.asp?pic=34

I like P-basses but I need a bridge position humbucker for the kind of stuff I do.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Jan 2008, 10:36
Speaking of basses, look what I got recently!!

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/Foto138.jpg)

Oh yes people, back to the 80s...

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/Foto136.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/Foto139.jpg)


This is not a steinberger, however. It is a Status.

A British-produced, carbon-fibre neck monstrosity from 84. It rocks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 21 Jan 2008, 11:47
That must've been a nice bass before you slit its throat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 21 Jan 2008, 13:53
Headless basses are The Ugliest Thing
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Jan 2008, 14:02
You, sir, have never seen Lyle Lovett
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 21 Jan 2008, 14:36
Headless basses make me sad! Why would anyone decapitate a perfectly good bass? The humanity... instrumentanity?

Anyway, on the subject of basses, I got one of these fancy things back in December.

(http://www.warwickbass.com/images/corvstd4.jpg)
(please excuse the stock photograph, my only camera is my silly old phone camera.)

It sounds so delicous. I love this thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 21 Jan 2008, 17:43
I bought a POD X3 today!

I like it a LOT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 21 Jan 2008, 18:33
Jesus fucking christ you guys

the "Treadplate" model on my POD

it's so good

so good

They even got the midrange to sound EXACTLY like a Mesa/Boogie. I own a (currently broken) Dual Rectifier and I'm not sure I could tell the difference.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 21 Jan 2008, 19:08
POD X3's are glorious, Can't wait to hear that shit on any new recordings you do.

As far as basses go, that first one you posted, the American Deluxe P-Bass is an absolute killer, and I covet one for myself mightily.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 21 Jan 2008, 19:53
The ASAT basses look really cool, but I don't think they'd balance very well on a strap.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 21 Jan 2008, 20:20
I personally think the ASAT hollow-body bass looks gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 22 Jan 2008, 02:59
i continue to be unable to sleep, and have consequently tuned all the strings on my guitar to D# and started hitting them with a can of coke. It sounds real awesome.
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Post by: Patrick on 22 Jan 2008, 04:18
I've done similar things. 'Cept I left it in drop D and hit it with one of those thick-ass chisel-tip Sharpies. With the cap on, of course. It definitely gives it an interesting sound.
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Post by: valley_parade on 22 Jan 2008, 06:36
I've done similar things. 'Cept I left it in drop D and hit it with one of those thick-ass chisel-tip Sharpies. With the cap on, of course. It definitely gives it an interesting sound.

Guitar in D standard, whack at it with a ball-point pen. That's some good tone.
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Post by: Patrick on 22 Jan 2008, 08:58
Use a fountain pen or you're a vagina
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Post by: valley_parade on 22 Jan 2008, 09:02
I don't want ink splashed all over my Firebird!
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Post by: Patrick on 22 Jan 2008, 09:09
Get a really shitty guitar (like a student-model Ibanez or something) and do it.
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Post by: valley_parade on 22 Jan 2008, 09:14
Can I borrow the bridge from your Squier so mine is playable?
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Post by: Ballard on 22 Jan 2008, 09:39
If you guys don't quit one-upping each other's failure I'll stab you both with the jagged edges of a shattered Merzbow vinyl.

Why did I break it? Because it sucks.
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Post by: valley_parade on 22 Jan 2008, 09:54
Maybe if you play the broken record, it'll sound somewhat normal.
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Post by: Patrick on 22 Jan 2008, 10:12
I wonder what Sigur Rós would sound like played backwards. I bet that's not even Icelandic they're singing, it's probably all backmasked from English.
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Post by: valley_parade on 22 Jan 2008, 10:17
There was a track on Von and another on Agaetis Byrjun that were clips of another song on the album spun backwards.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 22 Jan 2008, 19:09
If you guys don't quit one-upping each other's failure I'll stab you both with the jagged edges of a shattered Merzbow vinyl.

Why did I break it? Because it sucks.

Epic sig'd
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Post by: Patrick on 23 Jan 2008, 06:06
Dude -nobody- has enough money for a Rickenbacker.

My friend's dad has a vintage (liiike, '65 I think?) Rickenbacker 330 that he bought new, and it would probably sell for ricockulous amounts of money today. If he would lower the bridge and intonate the damn thing it would be an -amazing- little piece. It jangles so much that the Byrds would probably never stop masturbating.
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Post by: valley_parade on 23 Jan 2008, 06:36
They have solid body electrics that are in like..the $750-1000 range.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Rickenbacker-650D-Dakota-Electric-Guitar?sku=513610
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Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Jan 2008, 08:29
That is a beautiful guitar.
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Post by: Ballard on 23 Jan 2008, 13:23
There is a very small amount of natural finish guitars that can give me a boner.

That is not one of them. It's so.. eh.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 23 Jan 2008, 14:42
Oh, god, Rickenbackers have the worst heel ever.  They make Paul Reed Smiths look good, which is impossible.
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Post by: FireAarro on 23 Jan 2008, 15:11
Dude -nobody- has enough money for a Rickenbacker.

My friend's dad has a vintage (liiike, '65 I think?) Rickenbacker 330 that he bought new, and it would probably sell for ricockulous amounts of money today. If he would lower the bridge and intonate the damn thing it would be an -amazing- little piece. It jangles so much that the Byrds would probably never stop masturbating.

New Rickenbackers really aren't all that expensive. They're about as expensive as the Fender AVRI and Deluxe series guitars, which is still affordable. Used stuff from the late 70s-now hasn't inflated too much either (but they don't lose value either. Recent used Ricks can sell for more on eBay than brand new ones... :S).

I like the look of the cheaper Ricks, but I don't expect you'd be able to get "Teh Jangle" outta them. Very cool/modern style though.
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Post by: sean on 23 Jan 2008, 15:20
Dude I'm pretty sure the 4003 rick is about 2000 dollars.

That is not inexpensive. That is actually worth more than most people's existence.
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Post by: FireAarro on 23 Jan 2008, 15:49
Dude I'm pretty sure the 4003 rick is about 2000 dollars.

That is not inexpensive. That is actually worth more than most people's existence.

I just checked on Musiciansfriend and confirmed this is true. Wow, they've bumped the price a lot. Two or three years ago I know it was something like $999-$1099 from Musiciansfriend. Last year it was about $1399, now it's $1949... The 360 was literally "$1,399.99 from a manufacturer's list price of $1,819.00" just in September last year, and has risen to "$2,249.00 from a manufacturer's list price of $2,499.00". That's pretty fucking insane. You're right.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 23 Jan 2008, 16:26
Okay guys here is My First Electric Guitar. I just got it yesterday!

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n217/rageaholicdove/dano/dano016.jpg)

I haven't had a chance to plug it in since I don't have an amp yet but I like it a whole bunch.
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Post by: FireAarro on 23 Jan 2008, 16:53
That looks fantastic. Surf Green Burst!  :mrgreen:
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Post by: Nodaisho on 23 Jan 2008, 17:40
I am wondering if anyone has any personal experience with PRS SEs. The store that I go to has them on sale for less than $400 before tax, and I know that PRSs have a reputation for awesomeness (though whether some of that comes from the price, I don't know), but are the asian budget copies worth it?
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Post by: greenMonkey on 23 Jan 2008, 19:12
Okay guys here is My First Electric Guitar. I just got it yesterday!

DANO MADNESS

I haven't had a chance to plug it in since I don't have an amp yet but I like it a whole bunch.

I feel like I have found a kindred spirit.

My Dano is now in D standard and I play silly metal on it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 23 Jan 2008, 19:20
Danelectros are so freakin ugly.
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Post by: sean on 23 Jan 2008, 19:37
No way! Dano's are smexy guitars.

Now Musicmans, those are ugly instruments.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 23 Jan 2008, 20:11
*Cough!  BC Rich guitars!  Cough!*
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Post by: David_Dovey on 23 Jan 2008, 21:11
No way! Dano's are smexy guitars.

Now Musicmans, those are ugly instruments.

What are you trying to

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/7/5/3/374753.jpg)

say here?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 23 Jan 2008, 21:54

Now Musicmans, those are ugly instruments.
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Post by: Patrick on 24 Jan 2008, 04:23
Danelectros are so freakin ugly.

1/10 obvious troll
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Post by: valley_parade on 24 Jan 2008, 06:25
Okay guys here is My First Electric Guitar. I just got it yesterday!

I haven't had a chance to plug it in since I don't have an amp yet but I like it a whole bunch.


You really know how to first it up. Gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 24 Jan 2008, 16:04
No way! Dano's are smexy guitars.

Now Musicmans, those are ugly instruments.

What are you trying to

*ew*

say here?
I'm sorry Mr. David but those simply are not attractive instruments.

They're just like that girl with a great personality. They sound great but god forbid if I have to look at her.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 24 Jan 2008, 21:21
That's why my post was sarcastic! (I'm sorry for trying to convey sarcasm on the Internet, that was a bad idea)

Danelectros are seriously uggo though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Johnny C on 24 Jan 2008, 23:25
Okay guys here is My First Electric Guitar. I just got it yesterday!

Holy shit!

My band uses a guitar identical to that on occasion, except it's a solid seafoam colour. Great thick sound out of it. Use care picking an amp and make sure you get something that compliments the tone nicely.

Good pick!
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Post by: Nodaisho on 24 Jan 2008, 23:34
So... what would be done to me if I said I didn't like the color on that danelectro?

Just hypothetically, of course.
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Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 25 Jan 2008, 00:17
Guys, if you bounce a pair of metal tweezers off your strings it sounds really neat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 25 Jan 2008, 02:12
GUYS GUYS GUYS I AM A FUCKING HERO ALRIGHT DIG THIS

SO. I was trying to make an adjustment to the middle pickup of my Squier Bullet so that the volume of each pickup would match up, right? Well, the screw hole on the plastic pickup mount (oh, Squier!) that's built into the motherfucker? Yeah, it stripped. Both holes.

So I cut off my strings, lifted the pickguard, cut off the pickup and all the wires for it, rewired the thing, and BAM, I have a Strat-shaped Telecaster with one volume/no tone.

Oh and there's a nice little Van Halen-esque void where the middle pickup used to be :B
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 25 Jan 2008, 02:31
You know... I am sure there would be a way to have gotten it to mount even once it stripped.
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Post by: valley_parade on 25 Jan 2008, 05:15
So... what would be done to me if I said I didn't like the color on that danelectro?

Just hypothetically, of course.

Hit you in the face with an Epiphone EM-1.
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Post by: Thrillho on 25 Jan 2008, 10:09
You know... I am sure there would be a way to have gotten it to mount even once it stripped.

I think sticking a matchstick in works usually.
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Post by: ledhendrix on 25 Jan 2008, 10:15
So I cut off my strings, lifted the pickguard, cut off the pickup and all the wires for it, rewired the thing, and BAM, I have a Strat-shaped Telecaster with one volume/no tone.

Put it in an open tuning, whack on the distortion pick up a slide and go nuts.
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Post by: jeph on 25 Jan 2008, 11:27
Dude -nobody- has enough money for a Rickenbacker.

My friend's dad has a vintage (liiike, '65 I think?) Rickenbacker 330 that he bought new, and it would probably sell for ricockulous amounts of money today. If he would lower the bridge and intonate the damn thing it would be an -amazing- little piece. It jangles so much that the Byrds would probably never stop masturbating.

I got my ric bass for $2000.
I've seen American Fenders at $2500, and Musicman's are around $3000. Warwicks are also in the "more expensive than a ric" category.



If you EVER pay $2500 for a Fender bass you are DOING IT WRONG.
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Post by: tommydski on 25 Jan 2008, 11:51
Anna's new Dan is so fucking hot.

All of you naysayers are smoking rock.
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Post by: Chad K. on 25 Jan 2008, 13:21

If you EVER pay $2500 for a Fender bass you are DOING IT WRONG.

Agreed.  You can get artist signature Fenders for that much, but why an extra $1k+ for a painted on signature? 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 25 Jan 2008, 13:42
You can get CUSTOM SHOP Fenders for that much!
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Post by: Ballard on 25 Jan 2008, 14:36
I think sticking a matchstick in works usually.

Matchstick for small screw holes, dowel or chopstick for strap button screw holes plus wood glue. Works like a charm.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 25 Jan 2008, 15:50
So... what would be done to me if I said I didn't like the color on that danelectro?

Just hypothetically, of course.

Hit you in the face with an Epiphone EM-1.
En Garde! I have the advantage in that I have less to lose, the clean tone on my Behringer Vintager is crap, and the distorted tone isn't much better.

Maybe I just haven't found the right set-up to make it sound decent, but it sounds like the equivalent of inhaling helium before singing.
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Post by: squawk on 25 Jan 2008, 16:17
Quote from: tommy
Anna's new Dan is so fucking hot.

All of you naysayers are smoking rock.

seriously

I have absolutely no knowledge of electrical guitaring. Does anyone have suggestions for beginner amps that will make my guitar sound awesome?
It's more likely that my brother will buy himself a nice amp upgrade and just give me his 15 amp Frontman since that makes more sense, but it will be good knowledge for later.
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Post by: FireAarro on 25 Jan 2008, 23:06
You can get CUSTOM SHOP Fenders for that much!

My numbers were Australian numbers.
So theres the exchange rate, and the fact that guitars tend to get way more expensive when they come over here.

I also can't stand jazz bass necks for some reason.

Yeah, prices here in Australian dollars = 2x the number of dollars in US pretty much.
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Post by: Patrick on 26 Jan 2008, 05:45
I think sticking a matchstick in works usually.

That is nancy-boy shit, I did pretty interesting electronics wiring -by myself- without ever consulting a manual, because I am one pimp-ass mother fucker.
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Post by: valley_parade on 26 Jan 2008, 06:54
Quote from: tommy
Anna's new Dan is so fucking hot.

All of you naysayers are smoking rock.

seriously

I have absolutely no knowledge of electrical guitaring. Does anyone have suggestions for beginner amps that will make my guitar sound awesome?
It's more likely that my brother will buy himself a nice amp upgrade and just give me his 15 amp Frontman since that makes more sense, but it will be good knowledge for later.

There's a few low-wattage tube amps floating around right now for under $150-250. Gretsch Electromatic, Fender Champion 600, Blackheart Little Giant, Epiphone Valve Junior..try some of them out. You'll get a lot better tone than you would from a solid-state amp.

That said, I'll push the Marshall MG series on you cos I really like mine.
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Post by: Patrick on 26 Jan 2008, 07:07
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2614.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/leadhindenburg/IMG_2613.jpg)

lol nobody's going to pay attention to Shane's post now
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Jan 2008, 07:13
It was only directed at Anna, anyway.

I really need to buy a new Bullet and just hit it with cans of spray paint.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 26 Jan 2008, 15:28
So I cut off my strings, lifted the pickguard, cut off the pickup and all the wires for it, rewired the thing, and BAM, I have a Strat-shaped Telecaster with one volume/no tone.

No middle pickup on a hardtail Stratocaster shaped guitar does not a Telecaster make.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 26 Jan 2008, 16:00
Oh yeah you're right. It just makes a Strat-shaped hardtail MIJ Jaguar with a 25.5" scale. MY BAD.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 26 Jan 2008, 21:56
I don't know, I'd say it'd make it something akin to a Fender Lead.
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Post by: FireAarro on 27 Jan 2008, 00:57
I was thinking more along the lines of Stratocaster-shaped Les Paul with a bent steel bridge, large pickguard, Fender styled single coils, a master volume knob instead of a 2vol2tone configuration, a five-way blade pickup switch, a 25.5" scale 21 fret maple neck and 6-on-a-side tuner alignment. Also a Strat jack.
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Post by: valley_parade on 27 Jan 2008, 06:51
Oh yeah you're right. It just makes a Strat-shaped hardtail MIJ Jaguar with a 25.5" scale. MY BAD.

Without all the weirdass switching.

Dude, you've got nothing more than a Tom Delonge strat.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 27 Jan 2008, 12:07
Wait, I got one, I got one.

What you have... is a strat with one of the pickups cut out for no apparent reason.

Crazy, huh?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Jan 2008, 14:10
I will have you know, the two pickup configuration with the original bridge and neck pickups is a hell of a lot more versatile than the stock setup. Srsly, using the middle pickup with either of the other two is cool and all if you're SRV or Mark Knopfler, but if you're anybody else it really doesn't work, sry2say.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 27 Jan 2008, 14:11
The middle pickup by itself is my favorite sound to ever come out of a Strat.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 27 Jan 2008, 14:36
I actually usually have mine to bridge/mid, though that is partially because with the amp I usually play on, that has the least amount of buzz. Interestingly my little tube amp doesn't buzz in the least, but the Fender G-dec that I use while taking lessons buzzes pretty obnoxiously.

And I found how to get a decent tone out of my pseudo-strat. I just have to turn the bass most of the way up, and the treble almost all the way down. Now I just need to find how to get it sounding like one of the strats used by any of the Iron Maiden guitarists, or at least as close as I could get without paying out the nose for a bridge humbucker that ends up costing more than my guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Jan 2008, 14:48
@Jeph: It used to be mine, too. Everything on my myspace so far was recorded entirely with the middle pickup, with very few exceptions. I loved that thing so much but I am amazed at how much brightness that guitar is holding back with that pickup there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 27 Jan 2008, 20:22
I don't think I've ever used a middle pickup since I forgot how to play 'The Kids Aren't Alright.'
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Jan 2008, 20:28
I use the bridge pickup on my Strat almost exclusively.  I hate the buzz, though.  In which case, I switch it to to bridge/middle.  The neck pickup has a really warm clean tone, I think.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 27 Jan 2008, 20:44
Middle pickups are generally a waste of time.  2 pickups should be quite enough for nearly anything. 

Plus, necky neck pickups are where it's at.  Mmm, throaty mids!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 28 Jan 2008, 06:42
Middle pickups are generally a waste of time.  2 pickups should be quite enough for nearly anything. 

Plus, necky neck pickups are where it's at.  Mmm, throaty mids!

On a 24-fret guitar, I agree with you. The middle pickup is too close to the other two and just sounds like a bad mix of both. But on 22-fret guitars, particularly long-scale ones like a Strat, that middle pickup can sound golden.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Jan 2008, 07:58
As promised (http://www.box.net/shared/atq6pk6os0).

It's just me covering some Jimmy Page, but whatever. It sounds better than the original Strat configuration, if you ask me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 08:06
Middle pickups are generally a waste of time.  2 pickups should be quite enough for nearly anything. 

Plus, necky neck pickups are where it's at.  Mmm, throaty mids!

On a 24-fret guitar, I agree with you. The middle pickup is too close to the other two and just sounds like a bad mix of both. But on 22-fret guitars, particularly long-scale ones like a Strat, that middle pickup can sound golden.
Why on earth would anyone want a 24 fret guitar?  The 24th fret is the perfect spot for the back end of the neck pickup!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 28 Jan 2008, 10:20
I've got a couple. It tends to make the neck stick further out from the body, which can make doing high-fret things easier than, say, a Strat or Les Paul. Also there's those two extra frets!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 13:00
I know the technical reasons, it's just sacrificing what I consider to be the best sound of a guitar. 
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Post by: MadassAlex on 28 Jan 2008, 13:28
Why on earth would anyone want a 24 fret guitar?  The 24th fret is the perfect spot for the back end of the neck pickup!

Because some people like to shred.
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Post by: Ballard on 28 Jan 2008, 13:35
(http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1133941.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F10653E92B247B839BF85A5397277B4DC33E)
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Post by: imapiratearg on 28 Jan 2008, 13:40
That's some intense shredding action, right there.
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Post by: Patrick on 28 Jan 2008, 15:35
IM IN UR THRED, PROVIN DAT MY 2-PICKUP BULLET IS BETTER THAN ANY SHITTY MIDDLE PICKUP ON ANY STRAT (http://www.box.net/shared/atq6pk6os0).

AHEM, MISTER JACQUES, THIS WAS FOR YOU
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 28 Jan 2008, 15:50
@Jeph: It used to be mine, too. Everything on my myspace so far was recorded entirely with the middle pickup, with very few exceptions. I loved that thing so much but I am amazed at how much brightness that guitar is holding back with that pickup there.

Maybe you had it too close to the strings? Maybe it's something to do with the tone knobs you had in?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 17:40
I thought that the 24-fret guitars were so that you had a greater range on the guitar, but of course, I also thought that they just made the neck longer. If they had the frets go further in, wouldn't that just make it more difficult to play the higher frets, rather than easier?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 28 Jan 2008, 18:14
Middle pickups are generally a waste of time.  2 pickups should be quite enough for nearly anything. 

Plus, necky neck pickups are where it's at.  Mmm, throaty mids!

Pssh, who needs two pickups?  One pickup is sufficient.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Jan 2008, 18:58
I'd be tempted to engineer a way to mount a pickup on a slider and just -slide the pickup- to get a different sound.

It would look all kinds of retarded, but it'd be cool to see what it would do sonically.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 28 Jan 2008, 19:00
You could slide it around whilst holding a note, it'd probably sound like some kind of whacked out wah.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 19:05
You would have to make sure that it was wired so that it couldn't get tangled up by sliding it back and forth, that would probably be the difficult part.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 19:09
Middle pickups are generally a waste of time.  2 pickups should be quite enough for nearly anything. 

Plus, necky neck pickups are where it's at.  Mmm, throaty mids!

Pssh, who needs two pickups?  One pickup is sufficient.
In nearly all situations, yes.  However, nearly all single pickup solidbodies only have bridge, which is some bad.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 19:11
You would have to make sure that it was wired so that it couldn't get tangled up by sliding it back and forth, that would probably be the difficult part.
Actually, the best thing to do would be just to make a small p/u mount wired to a small wireless plug and just run it full to the amp, using the amp's knobs for all tone/vol concerns.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 28 Jan 2008, 19:13
Middle pickups are generally a waste of time.  2 pickups should be quite enough for nearly anything. 

Plus, necky neck pickups are where it's at.  Mmm, throaty mids!

Pssh, who needs two pickups?  One pickup is sufficient.
In nearly all situations, yes.  However, nearly all single pickup solidbodies only have bridge, which is some bad.

This is why it's brilliant that the Dano u-1 puts it in the middle on a slant: it gets a great tone.  With the tone turned up it's nice for clean and bright stuff, but turn the tone all the way down and run it through a good distortion pedal and it can roar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 19:15
Hmm... You do have a point there. I was thinking maybe have the wiring in the rails that it is mounted on, and a bit coming out of the pickup to touch the wiring in the rails.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 19:16
Under the 24th is, I'll repeat, the sweet spot for a pickup to my ears. 



@Nodashi: Are we talking light rail or bottleneck slide?  What do you mean by rails?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 19:19
I was referring to the idea of having one pickup and sliding it back and forth, I was thinking you would mount it on a couple of rails, for ease of sliding.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 19:27
I was referring to the idea of having one pickup and sliding it back and forth, I was thinking you would mount it on a couple of rails, for ease of sliding.
A slide guitar wouldn't really work like that.  Your best bet would be either going wireless or using a full 1/4" cable to wire the thing so it doesn't get tangled in the strings. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 19:35
You and I aren't talking about the same thing. You mount the pick-up on rails, and slide it to the position you want, then play normally, I am not talking about using a slide to play guitar. Only problem would be height of the pickup, but you could hollow out a bit, and use low rails.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 19:42
There are some jazz guitars built like that, using one of those tiny flat humbuckers.  There's usually only a single rail that's part of the pickguard.  Of course, that only gives the range from the fretboard to the bridge; however, given that these are fancy archtops, they're designed so that yr strings don't drop out.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 20:08
That seems like it would work, I was thinking a rail on each side, but I suppose that given what I would expect the weight of a pickup to be, one rail would have no problem.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 20:12
That seems like it would work, I was thinking a rail on each side, but I suppose that given what I would expect the weight of a pickup to be, one rail would have no problem.
Well, the ones I remember do use really tiny Allen screws to hold it in, I think the best you can expect is to adjust it between numbers instead of during.  If you did route a solidbody and put guides in, you'd need some sort of powerful spring to hold it in place when it's not moving, assuming you want mid-song adjustability.  Not quite an amp capo, but a pickup capo I suppose.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Jan 2008, 20:15
I think you could do it so that it stays as long as you aren't pushing on it, it wouldn't be easy though, you would have to set it up just right so that it won't slide around just from you moving your guitar, but also so you can move it one-handed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 28 Jan 2008, 20:27
Probably put it in from the back side of the instrument, too
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 28 Jan 2008, 21:12
Ripper's better.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 28 Jan 2008, 21:47
Nice Vette.
I picked up a Fortress 5 last summer & it quickly became my favourite bass.
Warwick's kick ass.
(http://www.warwickrockbass.com/news/RockbassFortressBurgandy5frnt.jpg)
Stock photo for basically the same reason as you.

Headless basses make me sad! Why would anyone decapitate a perfectly good bass? The humanity... instrumentanity?

Anyway, on the subject of basses, I got one of these fancy things back in December.

(http://www.warwickbass.com/images/corvstd4.jpg)
(please excuse the stock photograph, my only camera is my silly old phone camera.)

It sounds so delicous. I love this thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 29 Jan 2008, 06:05
Ripper's better.

EB-3L amirite
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 29 Jan 2008, 06:07
Guys, the Gibson RD (http://www.gibson.com/en%2Dus/Divisions/Gibson%20USA/Guitar%20of%20the%20Week/RDStandardReissue%2DWeek48/) is going to be one of those Gibson Guitars of the Week...

Such an ugly shape, I think I'm in love. I absolutely adore ugly guitars.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 29 Jan 2008, 06:09
This is why I had my heart set on that '72 Mustang. It was hideous looking, but I loooooooved it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Xyloid on 29 Jan 2008, 06:18
Hey everyone, new guy here and I was just too excited to contain myself.

I just won this new shiny bass on ebay about a month ago!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/borntodie/grabber.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v304/borntodie/blah.jpg)

It's sparkly green!  A lot of you have really great taste in guitars, by the way.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 29 Jan 2008, 09:03
Guys, the Gibson RD (http://www.gibson.com/en%2Dus/Divisions/Gibson%20USA/Guitar%20of%20the%20Week/RDStandardReissue%2DWeek48/) is going to be one of those Gibson Guitars of the Week...

Such an ugly shape, I think I'm in love. I absolutely adore ugly guitars.



It looks like the bastard offspring of a Telecaster and and Explorer.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Jan 2008, 09:55
Hey everyone, new guy here and I was just too excited to contain myself.

I just won this new shiny bass on ebay about a month ago!
(preeeeeeetty)
It's sparkly green!  A lot of you have really great taste in guitars, by the way.

I wants it.

That Gibson RD would be pretty badass if they flipped the body shape the other way around. It'd look like one of those goofy-ass Eastwoods, and as if it wasn't already well known by now, I pretty much masturbate furiously over Eastwoods.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 29 Jan 2008, 11:25
Grabbers are great basses.

I too lust over the RD reissue.

And there's an ORIGINAL one languishing in a local music shop...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bucky_2300 on 29 Jan 2008, 12:40
That whole sliding pickup thing has actually been done on a guitar. Actone guitars out of Britain make it. Here are a couple shots... small, but you can see it. (It's an ugly MF'er, imo.)

(http://www.matamp.co.uk/best_complete_pictures_010.jpg)

(http://www.matamp.co.uk/best_complete_pictures_024.jpg)

The gear shift moves the pickup.


Anyway, as for my gear, I play an Ibanez JEM7V into a Carvin Legacy 100w head. It's ironic because I'm not that huge a Vai fan, but really the JEM is just a fantastic guitar (and having the extra two frets doesn't harm any tonal characteristics, imo. Still a great tone on all pickups and huge sustain) and the Legacy is kind of like a souped-up JCM800 with a better clean channel. Might post pics later.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Jan 2008, 13:36
(http://i25.tinypic.com/2dchbhe.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 29 Jan 2008, 14:23
That sliding pickup guitar is a pretty cool ideal. Wonder what is sounds like?


Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bucky_2300 on 29 Jan 2008, 14:33
^ I can't imagine that it sounds too alive, given that there's almost no wood in the construction. It's neat for shock value though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 29 Jan 2008, 14:41
Heres my guitars (not including my dads acoustics).

Electrics and kit.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2127/2229572858_8cbbbdec80.jpg?v=0)


Just guitars.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2319/2229574012_9c9ca4042d.jpg?v=0)


Acoustic

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2270/2228806683_8a035506b0.jpg?v=1201646211)


Jaguar and damage to jaguar.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/2229576166_443425e053.jpg?v=1201645557) (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2299/2229596204_d2135263f0.jpg?v=0)



And I saved the best for last.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2397/2228805577_25a07f3871.jpg?v=1201646222)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 29 Jan 2008, 14:43
Grabbers are great basses.

I too lust over the RD reissue.

And there's an ORIGINAL one languishing in a local music shop...

Jeph, is it the Standard, or one of the Customs/Artists with the active MOOG electronics?!!?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Jan 2008, 14:58
(JAGUAR)

*FAPFAPFAPFAP*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 29 Jan 2008, 15:02
I was gonna post a picture of me thrusting wildly at it but it would have been far to awesome (and that picture doesn't exist....yet).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 29 Jan 2008, 15:22
I'm gonna have to take some pictures of my guitars tomorrow...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 29 Jan 2008, 15:42
(JAGUAR)

*FAPFAPFAPFAP*

+1
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Xyloid on 29 Jan 2008, 16:36
(JAGUAR)

*FAPFAPFAPFAP*

Mmmm Jaguar... :-D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 29 Jan 2008, 17:22
Speaking of Jaguars...

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/6/9/4/305694.jpg)

I wish.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 29 Jan 2008, 17:26
One of the guys in my band got the jag HH and it's phenomenal.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 29 Jan 2008, 17:33
It's kinda weird for me to be in a forum, where a Fender Jaguar is considered useful.

Whatever happened to a good ol' Les Paul?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Gemmwah on 29 Jan 2008, 17:39
I played an Epi Les Paul yesterday, it was beautiful and I'm totally saving up for it. It's going to be the best first electric guitar ever.

Seriously though, I was sitting on a stool with the guitar in my hands and it was just perfect in every way. I wanted to walk out of the store with it then and there, but that would be stealing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 29 Jan 2008, 17:49
Good girl!

*pat on head*


Just be thankful you didn't try a Gibson, then you would charged out of the store and cut a bloody swathe through anyone standing in your way.
That said, sometimes Epiphone spits out a total gem. I have on some occasions heard of Epi's that measure up to "the real deal", so make sure that you buy THAT EXACT GUITAR!!
Epiphone, like any other "budget" manufacturer has wild fluctuation in quality.

Some Epis are unplayable pieces of junk, while some are total treasures. You seem to have come across a good one, now hold on to it.

PS: And don't buy a Jag, they're ghey.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 29 Jan 2008, 18:39
I have seen a few youtube videos of a kid playing Down songs, he plays an epiphone Les Paul Gothic most of the time, it sounds nice, guess he got one of those gems. Course, it could be uncomfortable to play, but sound good.

I am lusting over some PRS SEs in the local guitar shop, if nothing breaks on my computer, I might be able to afford one soon *knock on wood*. Thinking a Tremonti, the extra tone and volume knobs seem like they can't be a bad thing. But I don't like the looks as much, and I don't know if I will like the feel... I need to go in and play them when I actually have money.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 29 Jan 2008, 19:24
It's kinda weird for me to be in a forum, where a Fender Jaguar is considered useful.

Whatever happened to a good ol' Les Paul?
You're aware that the first two production years of Les Pauls simply did not work?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Jan 2008, 21:33
It's kinda weird for me to be in a forum, where a Fender Jaguar is considered useful.

Whatever happened to a good ol' Les Paul?

I shouldn't have to remind you that the guitar Marten had to sell was a Fender Jazzmaster.

I can't wait to get my SG back, does that make you feel better?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 29 Jan 2008, 22:01
Les Pauls are basically the best non-active humbucking guitars ever. Yes, specifically Les Pauls, and SGs are close behind.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 30 Jan 2008, 03:52
It's kinda weird for me to be in a forum, where a Fender Jaguar is considered useful.

Whatever happened to a good ol' Les Paul?
You're aware that the first two production years of Les Pauls simply did not work?

That was over fifty years ago, so that doesn't bother me that much.

It's kinda weird for me to be in a forum, where a Fender Jaguar is considered useful.

Whatever happened to a good ol' Les Paul?

I shouldn't have to remind you that the guitar Marten had to sell was a Fender Jazzmaster.

I can't wait to get my SG back, does that make you feel better?

Yes, yes it does.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 30 Jan 2008, 05:20
Electrics and kit.


Is that a Blues Junior?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 30 Jan 2008, 10:22
It sure is. It's got an excellent sound, perfect for the blues (as you would expect) but when i want to rock out it is sadly lacking in the distortion area, thats what the other amp and the distortion box are for.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 30 Jan 2008, 10:39
I am lusting over some PRS SEs in the local guitar shop, if nothing breaks on my computer, I might be able to afford one soon *knock on wood*. Thinking a Tremonti, the extra tone and volume knobs seem like they can't be a bad thing. But I don't like the looks as much, and I don't know if I will like the feel... I need to go in and play them when I actually have money.

Noooooo not the Tremonti

Playing a guitar with the name of the fucking guy from CREED on it is basically like wearing a giant sign that says "I am a giant douchebag."
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 30 Jan 2008, 10:45
I am lusting over some PRS SEs in the local guitar shop, if nothing breaks on my computer, I might be able to afford one soon *knock on wood*. Thinking a Tremonti, the extra tone and volume knobs seem like they can't be a bad thing. But I don't like the looks as much, and I don't know if I will like the feel... I need to go in and play them when I actually have money.

Noooooo not the Tremonti

Playing a guitar with the name of the fucking guy from CREED on it is basically like wearing a giant sign that says "I am a giant douchebag."


i completely agree with this statement, but for a coorporate scam guitar it does have good tone

i recently got the geddy lee signature jazz precision bass, its excellent, nothin wrong with gettin a signature guitar if its go tthe tone your lookin for

of course then again, creed makes me puke blood
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 30 Jan 2008, 11:21
I am currently lusting over the Muddy Waters signature Tele.

Signature models: very yes when done right!


Gemm, this better be a hell of an Epi LP if you're going to top Anna's Danelectro.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 30 Jan 2008, 12:21
Signature models: very yes when done right!

The Albert Lee signature Music Man - yes please.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 30 Jan 2008, 12:46
J Mascis Signature Jazzmaster. It's purple and shiny!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Jan 2008, 12:46
And only $800.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 30 Jan 2008, 13:00
And only $800.
And only righthanded.  ;_;
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 30 Jan 2008, 13:11
And only $800.

That alway struck me as odd.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Gemmwah on 30 Jan 2008, 13:59
Gemm, this better be a hell of an Epi LP if you're going to top Anna's Danelectro.

£350 worth of amazing sound.

Plus I like how it looks more than I do Anna's. Although that Danelectro is beautiful.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 30 Jan 2008, 14:19
I am lusting over some PRS SEs in the local guitar shop, if nothing breaks on my computer, I might be able to afford one soon *knock on wood*. Thinking a Tremonti, the extra tone and volume knobs seem like they can't be a bad thing. But I don't like the looks as much, and I don't know if I will like the feel... I need to go in and play them when I actually have money.

Noooooo not the Tremonti

Playing a guitar with the name of the fucking guy from CREED on it is basically like wearing a giant sign that says "I am a giant douchebag."
Maybe that is why it is the cheapest one there, 380 as opposed to 480.

They have non-SE singlecuts for 1300, I wish I could afford that, but if I could, I would probably end up getting a car.

The latest Alter Bridge album actually isn't bad, the vocals don't seem to fit, but he actually appears to be trying to play guitar well.

edit: I would get a Santana one if they had one in stock, it wasn't too expensive, and it felt good to play, but they don't. They have a lot of the SE Ones though, the ones with one pickup and one knob. Those are actually cheaper than the Tremonti, but I don't think I want something that limits options that much. I might not be good enough to take advantage of the features of the more elaborate set ups yet, but I want to be able to when I am good enough to do so.

edit^2: Oh, and who says I am not a douchebag?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 30 Jan 2008, 19:39
Gemm, this better be a hell of an Epi LP if you're going to top Anna's Danelectro.

£350 worth of amazing sound.

Whoa whoa whoa. This is like U.S. $800 going toward an Epiphone? Dude just get a Sheraton or something already.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 30 Jan 2008, 21:16
While I think stuff tends towards being more expensive in the UK, Kim is right, there has to be a better guitar for that price.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 31 Jan 2008, 05:56
Gemm, this better be a hell of an Epi LP if you're going to top Anna's Danelectro.

£350 worth of amazing sound.

Whoa whoa whoa. This is like U.S. $800 going toward an Epiphone? Dude just get a Sheraton or something already.

I think importing guitars is a little more expensive for the Brits.

That or it's an LP Custom Plus.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 31 Jan 2008, 07:47
You guys I was in the music store yesterday and they had one of these:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/3/1/4/464314.jpg)

I think I need to own it. But I already have too many guitars!

WHY MUST LIFE BE SO DIFFICULT

ps pixxx of my guitarz comin' soon
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 31 Jan 2008, 07:50
I already have too many guitars!

NOT POSSIBLE.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 31 Jan 2008, 08:56
I agree wholeheartedly with this comment. Seriously? Look at the number of Gibsons Kieffer Sutherland owns, and he doesn't even fucking play for a living.

tl;dr NO EXCUSES JEPH
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: celticgeek on 31 Jan 2008, 09:24
Too many guitars??????????????????

Blasphemy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Jan 2008, 09:27
Patrick was referring to:

(http://www.gibson.com/Files/AllAccess/2007/Feature_Images/kiefer3.jpg)

Full story here (http://www.gibson.com/allaccessFeatures.aspx?aliaspath=/AllAccess/Kiefer%20Sutherland_%20The%20Gibson).

That one he's holding, by the way? It's a '59. A FUCKING '59.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 31 Jan 2008, 09:30
The one to the left of that Explorer on the right, there.  That is a sexy guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 31 Jan 2008, 10:19
It's kinda weird for me to be in a forum, where a Fender Jaguar is considered useful.

Whatever happened to a good ol' Les Paul?

Anyone with long hair started plugging them into Marshalls and thinking they were the best band in the world. And so I, for one, grew to despise them and everything they began to stand for.

That is to say, they suck, dude!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 31 Jan 2008, 10:30
imapiratearg- that's just a faded Les Paul in TV Yellow. The double cutaway (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Faded-Double-Cutaway-Electric-Guitar?sku=517512) model is cooler.

DynamiteKid just outlined the reason I'll probably never get a Les Paul. That doesn't stop me from thinking that they're fucking great, really nice looking guitars. But they're just too stereotypical as rokk guitars for me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: psyne on 31 Jan 2008, 10:48
Holy shit that's a lot of guitars. I don't think I know enough about electrics to get a boner over them like you guys do, but the acoustic in front is gorgeous.




This is my acoustic:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/psyne0/P1010321.jpg)

It's a little scuffed up now because my brother stole it for a while and when I got it back there were nicks. But it's still pretty and I love it, and it sounds great. I'm pretty much just starting out learning to play, been about a month (plus some random attempts at learning chords over the past year but complete failure at chord progressions).

True story: That guitar was given to me by a random guy on the street, for nothing but the condition that I should learn to play.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 31 Jan 2008, 11:58
My friend has an acoustic that's made out of 100% maple.  Probably the best sounding one I've heard.

But guys, I think I have a trump up my sleeve.  My grandfather recently passed away, which totally sucks, but he had an old Gibson hollow body from the 40's!  My dad is having it restored by Gibson, but we're not going to get it back probably until next year.  I'd get a pic up if I could, but I sadly don't have one.  I need to find out the serial number in any event.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 31 Jan 2008, 12:01
I don't think I know enough about electrics to get a boner over them like you guys do

Yeah Fuzz just go under the assumption that every guitar there is -fucking amazing-. Because they are.

Seriously? Those are all vintage Gibsons. That motherfucker has a '59 ES-335 and I want to chloroform the motherfucker and steal it from him.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 31 Jan 2008, 20:14
imapiratearg- that's just a faded Les Paul in TV Yellow.

Not a Faded Les Paul, it's a Les Paul Special, aiight?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 31 Jan 2008, 20:46
Yeah Gene nothing there is new-manufacture, that is an -original run- TV yellow Les Paul flattop.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 31 Jan 2008, 20:51
It's still gorgeous, in my opinion.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 31 Jan 2008, 22:11
I personally prefer the two flanking it. That explorer is sexy, as is the other guitar which I can't put a name to.

Also, that much gold hardware gives me a raging erection.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2008, 05:04
Kieffer Sutherland

How does HE have a signature model and I don't? He's a FUCKING ACTOR.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Feb 2008, 05:15
I personally prefer the two flanking it. That explorer is sexy, as is the other guitar which I can't put a name to.

Also, that much gold hardware gives me a raging erection.

The one to the left of the vintage Les Paul Special is a Les Paul Junior.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Feb 2008, 07:53
The one thing I hate about Gibsons: EXPENSIVE AS FUCK. A Les Paul Jr. would be awesome if it wasn't $800. You can get an American-made Fender for another $100 and you have a lot more tone options.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 01 Feb 2008, 07:56
Okay guys, we have to kill Kiefer Sutherland.

(incidentally I might be getting an SG, I have been looking at too many of them lately...)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Feb 2008, 08:30
(http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7638/thebeastdoitfaggotso8.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 01 Feb 2008, 08:59
All that being said, his sig-guitar looks pretty fuckin cool.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 01 Feb 2008, 10:15
PS: Here's the first song recorded using the new POD X3. The guitars sound SO MUCH BETTER OMG

http://www.questionablecontent.net/CowerandSpit.mp3
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2008, 10:53
All that being said, his sig-guitar looks pretty fuckin cool.

You know what'd look pretty fucking cool? MY SIGNATURE TELECASTER. Maybe I should get into acting, then I can get one!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 01 Feb 2008, 11:31
PS: Here's the first song recorded using the new POD X3. The guitars sound SO MUCH BETTER OMG

http://www.questionablecontent.net/CowerandSpit.mp3

Aw fuck... Now I need one of those..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 01 Feb 2008, 11:47
So what'd you guys have on your signature guitars?

For me, I've got one word for ya:

STRELECASTER.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2008, 11:54
White Telecaster, b/w/b '69 Thinline pickguard, normal 3-way/vol/tone control, humbucker in the bridge (probably a Duncan Custom 5) and a Texas Tele neck pickup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 01 Feb 2008, 12:27
PS: Here's the first song recorded using the new POD X3. The guitars sound SO MUCH BETTER OMG

http://www.questionablecontent.net/CowerandSpit.mp3

That sounds great, the song itself has a kind of Mastadon-ish quality. Is that recorded on the seven string?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Feb 2008, 13:04
Okay, guys, I just bought .010s for my guitar, and I've only had .09s on it before.  How do I avoid bowing my neck when I put them on?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 01 Feb 2008, 14:17
Okay, guys, I just bought .010s for my guitar, and I've only had .09s on it before.  How do I avoid bowing my neck when I put them on?

Tighten the truss rod, but do it over a few days. I think the rule is to stick under a quarter or half turn a day so it doesn't blow the fuck up. What guitar is it? And kind of a rule of thumb, (atleast I think) is to replace on string at a time, don't take all the old ones off at once then restring.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 01 Feb 2008, 14:20
Oops.  That's exactly what I did...

>.<

It's a Squire Stratocaster.  Nothing fancy.  It's already broken and I want to get a better guitar, so I'm not horribly concerned about it breaking.  Although, I don't have a spare to play at all.  :|
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 01 Feb 2008, 15:00
Oops.  That's exactly what I did...

>.<

It's a Squire Stratocaster.  Nothing fancy.  It's already broken and I want to get a better guitar, so I'm not horribly concerned about it breaking.  Although, I don't have a spare to play at all.  :|

You did what, take all the strings off? It's not going to ruin it, but chances are the necks' bow will be off, but you are adjusting it anyways, so I wouldn't sweat it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 01 Feb 2008, 15:04
Fun fact: It is frowned upon to quote the post right above you. It tends to anger the elder forum gods.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 01 Feb 2008, 15:05
And kind of a rule of thumb, (atleast I think) is to replace on string at a time, don't take all the old ones off at once then restring.

I generally take them all off at once so I can get all the crap off my guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Feb 2008, 15:58
I generally take them all off, then alternate. Especially with single cutaway guitars which (usually) have a neck tension issue. Starting with the low e, high E, a, b, d, g.

Jasper, why is it necessary to do it over a few days? I've never had any problem adjusting the bow completely at once.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 01 Feb 2008, 16:03
It's advisable to do only about a quarter turn a day, to give time for the wood to adjust, or your truss rod might snap, or some other shit will go down. But a quarter turn is often enough adjustment anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 01 Feb 2008, 16:10
^^You got it. Cranking your truss rod is like slapping murphy's law in the balls.

Might as well put this all in one post -

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/2234967591_c7a6cc331e_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2183/2235010705_d107d25ba1_o.jpg

The inlays make you play pentatonics faster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 01 Feb 2008, 17:19
I have almost the same thing Jasper, but it's the model les paul-esque body and it's the more expensive version instead of the cheaper - the z-6, if I recall correctly. Quality fucking guitar. Though I hate the inlays, they look pretty dodgy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2008, 17:21
The inlays are far too big
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 01 Feb 2008, 18:10
The one thing I hate about Gibsons: EXPENSIVE AS FUCK. A Les Paul Jr. would be awesome if it wasn't $800. You can get an American-made Fender for another $100 and you have a lot more tone options.
I saw a... I think SG for 560, not epiphone, a gibson, I double-checked the name on the head.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2008, 18:17
Faded, probably. Patrick had some bad experience with that and the headstock snapping off.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 01 Feb 2008, 18:19
Though I'm pretty sure that wasn't price related.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Feb 2008, 18:26
Probably not.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 01 Feb 2008, 18:30
So before I posted a silly little image of my bass from the intarnets. Now in this one of a time post, you can see the real thing, in shitty/blurry camera-phone format!

First, the collective group!
linkzorz! (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee175/antithesis9/kthx.jpg?t=1201918764)

From left to right, it is my Ampeg ba-115 hp, a squier p-bass, a hidden rumble 15 amp, and my pride and joy, my warwick convertte.

This is a closer, but kinda crappy pic of my amp and some of the squier.
another link!
 (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee175/antithesis9/pow.jpg)
And finally, a close up of my warwick. Delectable!
zomg clickplz! (http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee175/antithesis9/dadfl.jpg)

Man, I need a real camera.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Feb 2008, 19:09
Though I'm pretty sure that wasn't price related.

It might've been. They obviously skipped the "check to see if the grain won't be compromised by the headstock angle we've been using for almost a century" step in the quality control process. That probably saved a good $500 right there.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 01 Feb 2008, 21:29
That sounds great, the song itself has a kind of Mastadon-ish quality. Is that recorded on the seven string?

Reminds me of Arch Enemy, or Gothenburg stuff (and not Mastodon at any point at all), particularly the opening section. What drum sampler do you use?

Oh shit, that part about 3/4 of the way through, total Arch Enemy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 01 Feb 2008, 22:27
I was thinking of buying this one


(http://www.nealsmusic.com/uploads/productimg/item2_P7249288228.jpg)


Then anna and I can b guitar buddies
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Feb 2008, 22:36
See above, "DO IT FAGGOT"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 02 Feb 2008, 01:06
Guys...

(http://i9.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/bf/53/7b5c_1_sbl.JPG)

How exactly does one hold this guitar, let alone attach a strap?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 02 Feb 2008, 01:17
Hold it by the neck? It looks like there is a bit that could have the strap attached to it (I think where the neck screws on), but it is going to be neck-heavy no matter what you do.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 02 Feb 2008, 06:29
I was thinking of buying this one

I give up. I had my heart set on a '59 RI, but I suppose I'll get a U2 RI.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Feb 2008, 09:21
I was thinking of buying this one


*Blue Dano.*


Then anna and I can b guitar buddies

That's the best looking one I've seen so far.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 02 Feb 2008, 11:39
That flat finish is awesome.

^^You got it. Cranking your truss rod is like slapping murphy's law in the balls.

Might as well put this all in one post -

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2210/2234967591_c7a6cc331e_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2183/2235010705_d107d25ba1_o.jpg

The inlays make you play pentatonics faster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bbqrocks on 02 Feb 2008, 11:41
My friend is going to purchase a BC Rich Beast. Is this a good idea?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 02 Feb 2008, 13:49
You know, after reading up on it a bit, I think I want to mod my strat so that I can do a Neck/Bridge Configuration (http://home.comcast.net/~jroscoe/Bridge-neckmod.html).  I think that'd sound pretty awesome.

Clean Sound Test (From above Link) (http://home.comcast.net/~jroscoe/bnclean.mp3)

Is this a good idea?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Feb 2008, 14:07
My friend is going to purchase a BC Rich Beast. Is this a good idea?

Based on what I've played and seen - buying a BC Rich is never a good idea...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bbqrocks on 02 Feb 2008, 14:10
Any reasons as to why? Is the sound/feel particularly bad, or is it just the chance that you are going to look like a tool/disembowl yourself?

On that note, my other friend got a 12 string that sounds beautiful.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Feb 2008, 14:17
In my experience - and wood being so inconsistent, it could very well have just been the guitars I played - they sound like shit, unless you're doing a riff so fast that it may as well be just pumping one detuned power chord for all the difference it makes to the sound coming out of your amp.

And yes, they look like fucking shit and mostly can't be played sat down. I've yet to see one that looks good. Actually, I think I saw one that was okay that was a rip-off of a Flying V, but that may have been someone else - and I never liked Flying Vs much either.

However, I guess they have their place if you like that sort of thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Feb 2008, 14:23
I have a nice, accurate slogan for them.

B.C. Rich Guitars: Only really useful for mercilessly bludgeoning the elderly since 1972.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 02 Feb 2008, 14:25
Actually, just to add to my previous post, I thought the necks were quite good though. Possibly they're made for shredding - but it seemed smooth and easy to play, I just had a fucking stupid shape digging into my leg at the other end.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bbqrocks on 02 Feb 2008, 14:37
Thanks, I will advise him against it. Seeing as he is strictly rhythm guitarist, I don't think he will be doing much shredding.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 03 Feb 2008, 22:03
NEW TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BITCHES

After I get my Valveking, I'm getting a new guitar. Who knows anything about 7 strings?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 03 Feb 2008, 22:37
Paging Jeph, Lummer to thread. I repeat, Jeph, Lummer to thread.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Feb 2008, 05:06
you are going to look like a tool

That one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 04 Feb 2008, 05:15
you are going to look like you're in Tool.

That one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 04 Feb 2008, 09:47
NEW TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BITCHES

After I get my Valveking, I'm getting a new guitar. Who knows anything about 7 strings?

What's your budget ?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 11:44
Details, details. If you're not selling off everything you own to be able to afford an expensive guitar, you are not fit for this thread.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Feb 2008, 11:45
I can't find anyone to appraise that baseball I have, but I'd say it's worth a low-end Custom Shop Gibson.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 04 Feb 2008, 12:01
Details, details. If you're not selling off everything you own to be able to afford an expensive guitar, you are not fit for this thread.
...I am going to go be emo now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 04 Feb 2008, 12:09
What the fuck is this? (http://cgi.ebay.com/Electric-Bass-Guitar-4-String-New_W0QQitemZ180211461881QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Also, unf unf unf UUUNNNHHHFUUCCK ... aaaah. (http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Vadim-Custom-4-String-Bass-Guitar-Check-it-out_W0QQitemZ180211980233QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 12:35
I can't find anyone to appraise that baseball I have, but I'd say it's worth a low-end Custom Shop Gibson.

Is it bad that I immediately started thinking about selling my Bo Diddley-autographed guitar on Ebay just so I could buy more guitars?

I'm more tempted to just mod the everliving shit out of the electronics than anything though. I mean, it was the first ever guitar I had, and as one might expect, it was cheap as eff (January '05, it set my dad back $200 even, including amp, which is the one I have semi-famously destroyed by stomping on it) and the electronics-related corner-cutting that goes on with low-cost, low-end guitars like that Johnson is appalling.

That sentence had a lot of hyphens, but the tl;dr is that I am thinking of putting either some Texas Specials or a pair of '57 Classics in there. If I do the latter, I'm getting two of those vol+tone knobs to put in the tone spots, and there'll be a vintage style three way switch. Nothing's going to go in the original volume knob area.

And this time I'll actually have the damn thing wired the right way, with solder and shit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 04 Feb 2008, 12:45
Just don't mess up the signature on it, though I doubt I need to tell you that. It is going to be worth even more later on. Unless the world ends in 2012.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 12:53
My dad and I already engraved it. I had no choice. My dad and I sprayed some clearcoat on there (ironically, to try to form a protective barrier) and the Sharpie started to slough off. So honestly it's really not worth jack shit anymore 'cept unbelievable sentimental value.

He uh... yeah, he let me play his Gretsch box.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 04 Feb 2008, 13:23
What the fuck is this? (http://cgi.ebay.com/Electric-Bass-Guitar-4-String-New_W0QQitemZ180211461881QQihZ008QQcategoryZ4713QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Quote from: EBay
Electric Bass guitar, One piece solid Elm wood hand carved body, beautiful shape,  4 String,  Wilkinson high end  Pick ups. 5 seperated tailpiece.

That should be considered false advertising. I mean, beauty is subjective, but I can't believe anybody would find that shape beautiful.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Chad K. on 04 Feb 2008, 15:46
It's a knock off of uber-high end Ritter basses.  See here- http://www.ritter-basses.com/ritter-basses-baesse/ritter-basses-jupiter.htm . 

I hate stuff like that. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 04 Feb 2008, 17:40
I can't believe I'm saying this, but that thing makes less sense than Prince's guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 04 Feb 2008, 18:03
If I had $350 to burn I might consider getting this baby:

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/msg/561933394.html
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 04 Feb 2008, 18:19
It's a knock off of uber-high end Ritter basses.  See here- http://www.ritter-basses.com/ritter-basses-baesse/ritter-basses-jupiter.htm . 

I hate stuff like that. 

That thing has a four coil humbucker, or as they have aptly named it, the Quattro-Bucker.

If that's not unnecessary then I don't know what the fuck is. Plus, the body is just designed terribly. Not just on that model either. All of their models are just... too much.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 20:48
Do you see how many bolts the neck joint has
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 04 Feb 2008, 21:11
Do you think those bolts are bad? Then observe this bass, which triumphs in failure.

(http://www.ritter-basses.com/ritter-basses---bilder/ritter-basses-basses/ritter-basses-raptor/ritter-basses-raptor5.jpg)
(http://www.ritter-basses.com/ritter-basses---bilder/ritter-basses-basses/ritter-basses-raptor/ritter-basses-0317neckjoint.jpg)

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 21:19
HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE

Seriously guys just set the fucking neck already.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Feb 2008, 06:00
Do you see how many bolts the neck joint has

I've see basses with six bolt necks..but fucking TEN?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 05 Feb 2008, 10:25
If I stick on some 10s and have my guitar tuned to drop C, am I going to have to fuck about with the intonation?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 05 Feb 2008, 10:36
If you're going all the way to Drop C, yes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 05 Feb 2008, 11:11
Just to make sure I understand correctly, I do mean Drop C as in D standard, but with the bottom string down to C. That is, CGCFAD, not CFBbEbGC.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 05 Feb 2008, 11:20
Oh, then yeah you should be ok.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Feb 2008, 11:50
Oh, then yeah you should be ok.

No, he won't. The low C will be ridiculously floppy, even on a strat scale guitar.

11', at the very least!

However, I strongly recommend a Light Top//heavy Bottom set, like the Ernie Ball Beefy Slinky's.
You'll have to move the saddle for the G-string back a little to make it intonate properly, but that is only because .22 plain steel string behaves a little different.

Otherwise, the strings are 11-54
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 11:53
I use .11 sets on all my drop-c guitars. It seems to work pretty well.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: carrotosaurus on 05 Feb 2008, 11:57
The floppiness adds an added layer of awesome. It's like gravy on mashed potatoes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Feb 2008, 12:00
hello, first post here.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2262/2244267043_e297e33fcc_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Feb 2008, 14:02
The floppiness adds an added layer of awesome. It's like gravy on mashed potatoes.

That depends.

If you wanna play sludgy, dooooomy riffs, then it is practically required..

Anything more technical than "Iron Man", though, will be nigh-on impossible to play.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Feb 2008, 15:42
I strongly recommend a Light Top//heavy Bottom set, like the Ernie Ball Beefy Slinky's.

Good sir, are you perhaps referring to these (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ernie-Ball-2215-Nickel-Slinky-Skinny-TopHeavy-Bottom-Electric-Guitar-Strings?sku=100615)?

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/6/4/7/366647.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 16:00
I've tried those before, and I didn't really like them. The jump in gauge between the top and bottom three strings felt weird to me.

Back when I had my soloist (sniffle goddamnit why why why did I sell that thing) I had it tuned to drop-b (drop-C only a half step higher...no it wasn't my idea, it was the other guitarist in the band) and put .12 gauge jazz sets on it. Having a wound G string is fucking INTENSE. Makes you feel like the dude from High on Fire.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Feb 2008, 16:04
I've tried those before, and I didn't really like them. The jump in gauge between the top and bottom three strings felt weird to me.

Back when I had my soloist (sniffle goddamnit why why why did I sell that thing) I had it tuned to drop-b (drop-C only a half step higher...no it wasn't my idea, it was the other guitarist in the band) and put .12 gauge jazz sets on it. Having a wound G string is fucking INTENSE. Makes you feel like the dude from High on Fire.

The 11 gauge sets from Dean Markley come with two different G strings. The set I just put on my AEX500 works smartly with a wound G. But I don't do alt tunings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Feb 2008, 16:05
I strongly recommend a Light Top//heavy Bottom set, like the Ernie Ball Beefy Slinky's.

Good sir, are you perhaps referring to these (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ernie-Ball-2215-Nickel-Slinky-Skinny-TopHeavy-Bottom-Electric-Guitar-Strings?sku=100615)?

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/regular/6/4/7/366647.jpg)

Among others, yes.
I had my Ibanez RG1570 tuned to Drop C with those for a short while. It worked very nice! That said, me and Drop C just don't get along.


I've tried those before, and I didn't really like them. The jump in gauge between the top and bottom three strings felt weird to me.

Back when I had my soloist (sniffle goddamnit why why why did I sell that thing) I had it tuned to drop-b (drop-C only a half step higher...no it wasn't my idea, it was the other guitarist in the band) and put .12 gauge jazz sets on it. Having a wound G string is fucking INTENSE. Makes you feel like the dude from High on Fire.

That must be a pretty darned good feeling, especially considering the Pikester probably wouldn't touch a soloist with a ten foot pole.
I do prefer the unwound G though, but still with a bit of grit to it.

For my Les Paul, I tune down to Eb with a set that goes 11 14 20 30 42 52.. Works prefectly for me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 05 Feb 2008, 16:12
NEW TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BITCHES

After I get my Valveking, I'm getting a new guitar. Who knows anything about 7 strings?

What's your budget ?

It will be a fairly serious investment for me, so probably about a grand, give or take a few hundred. Also, it HAS to be fixed bridge. I think Schecter looks like my best bet, but I don't really know a whole lot of 7 string manufacturers.

And about strings, I've been using light top heavy bottom sets for a while, just out of curiosity, what kind of tone do you get from heavy top strings? My G string feels a little floppy-stretchy (harharhar) playing some things, but if it sounds like crap I won't bother.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 16:17
Yeah I am pretty sure if Matt Pike sees a dude playing a Soloist he just looks at them and it renders them sterile for life.

Drop-C is a tricky tuning because it's riiiiight on the threshold where the lower frequencies and looser strings start to interact with the guitar's pickups in funny ways. My EMG-equipped ESP handles it beautifully since its pickups have such a tight (you might even say absent) bottom end to begin with, but my McCarty, which sounds valkyric* in standard or drop-D, just turns into midrangey mush.

My Standard 24 FINALLY settled into drop-C (stupid tremolo) and it sounds quite nice. Fatter and creamier than the ESP, but with better definition than the McCarty. Mixing the ESP and the 24 is now my default recording setup.

*Like angelic, only more badass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 16:25
It will be a fairly serious investment for me, so probably about a grand, give or take a few hundred. Also, it HAS to be fixed bridge. I think Schecter looks like my best bet, but I don't really know a whole lot of 7 string manufacturers.

I don't have much experience with Schecters (although I played a USA-made one once that was awesome). I really like my Ibanez 7-string, but it's got a trem bridge so you wouldn't want it. Some other options for under a grand:

http://ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=RG7321
(http://espguitars.com/images/guitars/sc-607B.jpg)
(note that the above is a 27" scale baritone)
(http://espguitars.com/images/guitars/sc-607.jpg)

The ESPs have better components than the ibanez, but they also have the dude from the Deftones' signature on them. Dunno if that'd be an issue for you.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Feb 2008, 16:31
NEW TOPIC OF DISCUSSION BITCHES

After I get my Valveking, I'm getting a new guitar. Who knows anything about 7 strings?

What's your budget ?

It will be a fairly serious investment for me, so probably about a grand, give or take a few hundred. Also, it HAS to be fixed bridge. I think Schecter looks like my best bet, but I don't really know a whole lot of 7 string manufacturers.

I'd say Schecter too, then. With some luck, you can chase down a blowout of the '07 Blackjack- or Hellraiser-series and get one for cheap.
That's what I'm planning, at least. You have to admit this guitar looks damn classy:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/hr_c7_bj_blk.jpg)

Otherwise I'm with Jeph on the ESP's, but due to my disdain of EMG's I'll pass myself.

If you want a fixed bridge Ibanez, you can perhaps hunt down an RG7621 og 7421 on EvilBay, but they're DAMN rare.
That said, it is pretty easy to block a floating trem, with one of these:

www.tremol-no.com (http://www.tremol-no.com)

I have one in my S-series sevenstring, and it's absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 16:36
You can also just wrap a 9-volt battery in electrical tape and wedge it between the trem and the inside of its routing cavity.

HELLA DIY, YO

Oh hey, are those actual Seymour Duncans in that Schecter? Go with that, then.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Feb 2008, 16:39
You can also just wrap a 9-volt battery in electrical tape and wedge it between the trem and the inside of its routing cavity.

HELLA DIY, YO

Yes, But the tremol-no can let you switch the trem into full floating again at the turn of two finger screws. That's what's so brilliant about it :)

Plus, if you only use it as a blocker, it will be easier to get the trem sitting nice and level with it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 16:40
That thing does look pretty cool. I like how it doesn't require any permanent modifications to the guitar to work.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Feb 2008, 16:42
Having a wound G string is fucking INTENSE.

If you're never planning on bending a note on that G past 1/8 of a step, yeah it's intense. Trying to bend a note on a wound string with that much tension on it is like trying to squeeze a golf ball through your urethra. Sure, it might be possible, but do you really want to try it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Feb 2008, 16:43
I bend wound Gs two whole steps all the time

With my cock
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Feb 2008, 16:45
I bend wound Gs two whole steps all the time

With my cock

EDIT:

I tried to make a witty remark aimed at KimJongSick for being lame, but the remark itself was horrid and unfunny. Karma, I guess...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Feb 2008, 16:48
PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, JEPH, YOU KNOW THE POLICY
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Feb 2008, 17:08
If you're never planning on bending a note on that G past 1/8 of a step, yeah it's intense. Trying to bend a note on a wound string with that much tension on it is like trying to squeeze a golf ball through your urethra. Sure, it might be possible, but do you really want to try it?

Hmm I will give it a shot. I'm no hercules but I am a lefty that plays righty. But then I've never really gone for a specific note interval with a bend. After I put the set with the wound G on my yamaha I just commenced finger picking it like a banjo. Because that's what I do with that guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 05 Feb 2008, 17:42
You can also just wrap a 9-volt battery in electrical tape and wedge it between the trem and the inside of its routing cavity.

HELLA DIY, YO

Oh hey, are those actual Seymour Duncans in that Schecter? Go with that, then.

Actually, the two guitars I've owned up to this point have been floating bridges, and I've blocked both of them. The mock 'liscenced' Floyd on my current one feels great for palm muting, so it's more that tolerable, but if given the chance to trade for an identical guitar with a fixed bridge I would do it right away. I have given an honest attemp to stick with the bridge floating, but after swapping strings I couldn't handle completely re-tuning every half hour. Yeah, I stretched the srings. Yeah, I corrected the tension for a higher guage string. Yeah, I hate it like I hate spiders or snakes or other various wiggly grossfuckers.

So yeah, no trem. I'll keep an eye out for 07 Blackjacks, or any other ones for that matter I guess. I just figured out my local music shop is supposed to carry Schecter, so next time I'm there I'll ask about avaliability. And my hands and fingers are HUGE, so I wouldn't mind a longer scale.

EDIT~

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Schecter-C7-ATX-Electric-Guitar?sku=515766
HOLY SMOKES BONERGASM
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 06 Feb 2008, 03:08
That is one nice-looking guitar!

However it is the 08 blackjack, with active pickups. They are called Blackouts, are made by Seymour Duncan, and the clips I've heard thus far sound pretty nice. Not as sterile as EMG's.

I'm still gunning for the 07 models, though, due to the passive Duncans they come with. The JB pickup in particular tickles my fancy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Feb 2008, 12:59
On another topic, that sterility is what has always turned me off about PRS guitars. Maybe our self-gratifying friend Carlos has got his treble rolled all the way off on his shiny little PRS, but every post-1998 Santana song I have ever heard has no kick at all. It's just saying "Oh, hey, I'm here, but don't really mind me, I'm not really gonna get in the way." Man if you are playing lead you are SUPPOSED to be noticed. That's kindof the idea behind playing lead, idjit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 06 Feb 2008, 18:25
I have noticed that with all of his recent playing. The tone is so flat sounding, not my taste at all.

And on another note, does Ibanez make a single seven string without a trem? The only one I found is this-

(http://www.ibanez.co.jp/products/images/eg2008/K7APEX2_GSF_1P_01.gif)

It's got Dimarzio's. Anyone have experience with them?

EDIT - Sorry about the funky outline. It's because of the site layout. And also, I just remembered the fixed bride 7 Jeph posted to. But two seems a little low still? My guitar teacher advised me to get a Ibanez instead of a Schecter, mainly because of their long time doing 7's. Is he right to say that? Because right now it looks like I'm getting a Schecter sooner or later.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Feb 2008, 19:33
Jeph wants to bomb the DiMarzio factory. I, for one, would like to procure all their TwangKing Tele pickups before he does so. After that, it is fair game.

Even then I would prefer Duncan Tele pickups. UNF
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 07 Feb 2008, 10:24
The floppiness adds an added layer of awesome. It's like gravy on mashed potatoes.

That depends.

If you wanna play sludgy, dooooomy riffs, then it is practically required..

Anything more technical than "Iron Man", though, will be nigh-on impossible to play.

I dunno, I was mostly managing okay with 9s in Drop C, bro. I just wanted the less flappiness. I'll try it with tens and come back later.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 07 Feb 2008, 10:40
I have noticed that with all of his recent playing. The tone is so flat sounding, not my taste at all.

And on another note, does Ibanez make a single seven string without a trem? The only one I found is this-

PIC CHOP

It's got Dimarzio's. Anyone have experience with them?

EDIT - Sorry about the funky outline. It's because of the site layout. And also, I just remembered the fixed bride 7 Jeph posted to. But two seems a little low still? My guitar teacher advised me to get a Ibanez instead of a Schecter, mainly because of their long time doing 7's. Is he right to say that? Because right now it looks like I'm getting a Schecter sooner or later.

They make 2 that I am aware of,
This http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=RG7321 (http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=RG7321)
&
This http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=APEX2 (http://www.ibanez.com/eg/guitar.aspx?m=APEX2)
The APEX2 is one of Munky's (korn) signature guitars if that means anything to you.
Dimarzio pup's always sounded a bit thin to me.
What ever you get just make sure it has at least a 25.5 inch scale.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 07 Feb 2008, 12:52
Out of curiousity, how long does it take playing guitar before you stop snickering at people referring to the G-string?

And what does a "sterile" sound sound like? Anyone got an example of that? Just post '98 Santana? That is post-Supernatural, right?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 07 Feb 2008, 13:03
The APEX2 is one of Munky's (korn) signature guitars if that means anything to you.

Nothing good.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Feb 2008, 21:40
And what does a "sterile" sound sound like? Anyone got an example of that? Just post '98 Santana? That is post-Supernatural, right?

Listen to "Smooth" with Rob Thomas and you will know exactly what I'm talking about. When Brian May did it, it was cool, because he was doing something unique on the side of it. When Carlos Santana does it, it's just self-gratification with a Brian May tone, but none of the cool multi-tracked badassery.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Feb 2008, 06:30
As I recall, he used a Les Paul for that album. He used PRSs later. Or did he start partway through that album?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Feb 2008, 10:26
He's used PRS since the late 80s, I think. One of Paul's first custom guitars was hand-built for Santana.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Feb 2008, 11:00
I do remember seeing that most of it was made with a Les Paul, but in the MTV video for smooth, at least, the guitar is his PRS, as is the one used in Put Your Lights On. I guess the les paul thing was probably not true. I do like some of those songs off that album, my father has it.

So, am I right in surmising that a large part of whether you like guitars or not is personal taste, in which there is no right answer (other than mine)?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 08 Feb 2008, 11:05
Optional theory:

PRS Singlecut.


And also: yes. If you like it, get it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 08 Feb 2008, 11:20
On another topic, that sterility is what has always turned me off about PRS guitars. Maybe our self-gratifying friend Carlos has got his treble rolled all the way off on his shiny little PRS, but every post-1998 Santana song I have ever heard has no kick at all. It's just saying "Oh, hey, I'm here, but don't really mind me, I'm not really gonna get in the way." Man if you are playing lead you are SUPPOSED to be noticed. That's kindof the idea behind playing lead, idjit.
And you think his early stuff didn't?   Face it, Santana's always been a hack.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 08 Feb 2008, 11:28
Optional theory:

PRS Singlecut.


And also: yes. If you like it, get it.
I have seen singlecuts at $1300, compared to the 2800 I see online. Curse my brokeness.

Beast, I will stab your eyes out with my hair.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 08 Feb 2008, 19:08
Dudes, I have no words for how nerdy and awesome this is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbpZBQ7jXgI

just...wtach
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Feb 2008, 07:22
Ah yeah. I saw those dudes on Current TV the other night.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Feb 2008, 21:25
I can't exactly say that's really the most useful thing to do with your time. Have fun with your pentatonic scale there, sugar.

I, for one, am starting to want to get a steel guitar. Seriously? Listen to how they use it in this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Va-1diMIpqk). It'd be worth the $700 for a good pedal steel to be able to do that kind of thing.

Aside from that I really want to make out with either one of them. Too bad for me that neither of them are straight.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 09 Feb 2008, 22:16
Yeah, I've wanted a lap steel for a long time, but I can't see myself buying it until I have a lot of other things first. It's a pretty specific instrument, theres not too many things you can do with it - so it would only really get used occasionally.

So I guess I'll keep myself occupied just using a slide with my regular acoustic.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 10 Feb 2008, 04:00
Lap steel and pedal steel are different things.

And if you think it's specific, you need to experiment more. I'm working on incorporating it into my space-metal band somehow.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 10 Feb 2008, 04:23
This has just convinced me that I need a Caparison really bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xzKu5Cannc
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Feb 2008, 12:42
And if you think it's specific, you need to experiment more. I'm working on incorporating it into my space-metal band somehow.

I'd drink to that if I were more sober right now.

Seriously? Think of the possibilities. All the limitations of slide guitar (one tuning only? Fuck that) are GONE save for tone versatility (you can only do so much with one pickup).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: dalconnsuch on 10 Feb 2008, 19:39
http://buildyourguitar.com/resources/lapsteel/ (http://buildyourguitar.com/resources/lapsteel/)

Build one for cheap. you can put in another pickup if you want.



umm....

*slap*

build your own guitar my fat furry ass

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 10 Feb 2008, 20:56
Lap steel and pedal steel are different things.

And if you think it's specific, you need to experiment more. I'm working on incorporating it into my space-metal band somehow.

Yeah, but he just said he wanted a steel guitar, not a pedal steel.

It's still a pretty specific sound. Sure, you could incorporate it into many things and probably have it sound pretty awesome, but the sound it produces it pretty similar each time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Feb 2008, 00:31
It'd be worth the $700 for a good pedal steel to be able to do that kind of thing.

Also, I feel like showing off (http://www.box.net/shared/dnneufqm8o) again. This is me, learning how to fingerpick fun rockabilly stuff on my modded Squier!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 11 Feb 2008, 10:45
Lap steel and pedal steel are different things.

And if you think it's specific, you need to experiment more. I'm working on incorporating it into my space-metal band somehow.

Yeah, but he just said he wanted a steel guitar, not a pedal steel.

It's still a pretty specific sound. Sure, you could incorporate it into many things and probably have it sound pretty awesome, but the sound it produces it pretty similar each time.

This is one of the few times where I endorse effects - some reverb, delay, distortion and you can come up with a kind of far-eastern-metal sound on my lap steel, at least. Get a violin bow working properly and you haven't something awesome too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 01:20
I WANTS IT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 13 Feb 2008, 01:23
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r309/FireAarro/Offset/AVRI%20Jaguar/IMG_0682.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 13 Feb 2008, 01:46
OLYMPIC

FUCKING

WHITE

HUAGLAGLSGKDJ
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 02:12
Probably NSFW (http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7349/icamevn5.jpg) but totally fucking relevant.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 13 Feb 2008, 02:28
Jag overload.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/2229576166_443425e053.jpg?v=1201645557)

I've just started playing my jag again. I've neglected it for years but now i realize that it actually has a fantastic sound. At the moment it has 12 gauge strings on it which are ripping my pissy fingers to shreds after using 10 gauge strings on the tele for so long (i keep meaning to put 11's on it but my local guitar shop never seems to have them). I think at the moment i actually prefer playing the jaguar which has never happened to me since i got my tele.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 02:56
People who own Jaguars and do not play them should be -beaten-
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Feb 2008, 03:15
In general, all people who own nice guitars and don't use them need a pimpslap.. Myself included, since I don't really use my RG1570 that much anymore, if at all :/

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 13 Feb 2008, 03:31
Send that RG1570 my way, I need a 24 fret guitar for extended sweeping wankery. If you're gonna do it, you've gotta do it properly with an extra two frets of range.

 :-D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 13 Feb 2008, 03:32
That depends how much you're willing to pay :P
Or if you happen to have an Ibanez RG1570 lying around that you'll trade for it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Feb 2008, 05:23
I want a Jag, now. =(
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 08:24
You and me both. Don't listen to Eugene when he tells you that we have an unhealthy obsession with them because he is full of shit and I bet he listens to Good News For People Who Love Bad News and likes it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Feb 2008, 08:34
http://www.hofner.com/gab/en/phpshop/43/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.zupf_flypage/product_id,175/category_id,104/

Sup.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 13 Feb 2008, 13:41
I see your Höfner and I raise you one brand new replacement Gibson SG, fresh from the factory, never been played by anybody but the setup guys.

(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5776/newsgru1.jpg)

She's back at my dad's and I will pick her up the next time I'm in California.

TL;DR FUCK YES
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Feb 2008, 13:44
Is it wrong to not like SGs?  I played an SG Gothic once, and I hated it.  The pickups sucked, and the fretboard was ebony, and flat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 13 Feb 2008, 13:59
I mean, I guess it's fine if you have no soul.

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 14:35
Or it could just be he was playing a crappy Epi, since they are the only ones that make Gothics, as far as I know.

That SG looks absolutely awesome, you got really lucky on the way the grain shows on that one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Feb 2008, 14:43
No, it was a Gibson.  I'd imagine it would sound nice if it had Seymour Duncans in it or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 13 Feb 2008, 15:01
You and me both. Don't listen to Eugene when he tells you that we have an unhealthy obsession with them because he is full of shit and I bet he listens to Good News For People Who Love Bad News and likes it.

It's okay, he's only jealous; he's try to play mine everytime it's near him.

Haha, he's forgiven though, his Epiphone SG is kind of shitty.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 13 Feb 2008, 15:04
My drummer's dad's Epiphone SG is kind of shitty.*

(Hopefully I'm getting me that Tele Custom in April)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 13 Feb 2008, 17:00
My drummer's dad's Epiphone SG is kind of shitty.*

(Hopefully I'm getting me that Tele Custom in April)

(Finally)

I really wanna get a Gibson (Maybe Firebird?) to go with my Jaguar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 13 Feb 2008, 17:02
So, I'm looking to get a new amp.  My current shite practice amp is not cutting it.  I want something that is very versatile, has good tone, and is fairly small.  It would be nice to get it under $250, $200 if possible.  I'm liking the Fender Champ 600, but it doesn't seem that versatile tone-wise.  There's a vintage Traynor solid-state at a local store that I'll probably look at.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 17:06
No, it was a Gibson.  I'd imagine it would sound nice if it had Seymour Duncans in it or something.
Huh. I had never heard of Gibson making those. Wait... is that what Iommi plays, or does he have a signature model?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 13 Feb 2008, 17:18
Guys, guys, guys.

Take a look at this number.

(http://a418.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/10/l_3402402749046901c8fab9df8096cf19.jpg)

(http://a399.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/50/l_55ad4cd9daee59d1c5663e1a2a0d85de.jpg)

This would probably destroy the shit out of my back, but gosh darn how lovely this thing looks.

I'm pretty happy with my Fender Lead II, but this thing... damn.

As far as other guitars I lust for go, I would be happy with an Eastwood Classic Six or a Rickenbacker 330 (not that I can afford one). And that Hofner looks spiffy, but I think I like the look of this one (http://www.hofner.com/gab/en/phpshop/43/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.zupf_flypage/product_id,50/category_id,9/) better.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Feb 2008, 17:25
That Hofner guitar is pretty much what I want for a guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 17:29
*img*
*img*
'Scuse me, I need to clean the drool off my keyboard.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Gemmwah on 13 Feb 2008, 17:34
holy fucking SHIT that thing is amazing. want want want want want.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 13 Feb 2008, 17:44
Guys, guys, guys.

Take a look at this number.

That's nice, but what the fuck is it? Bean-esque all aluminiumaster?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 13 Feb 2008, 17:46
Sorta. (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=75565971)

P.S.: If you choose to venture through the pictures section, have about two changes of pants at the helm.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 13 Feb 2008, 17:49
No, it was a Gibson.  I'd imagine it would sound nice if it had Seymour Duncans in it or something.
Huh. I had never heard of Gibson making those. Wait... is that what Iommi plays, or does he have a signature model?

They made them for a year or two, a while back, then discontinued them. They were basically gussied-up SG Specials.

Iommi has a signature model which is completely different.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 18:03
Ah, okay. Thank you, o font of guitar wisdom and guru of webcomicry.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Feb 2008, 02:43
Is it wrong to not like SGs?  I played an SG Gothic once

That right there indicates -exactly- what you were doing wrong.

(snip) you got really lucky on the way the grain shows on that one.

Thanks! I actually though that too, at first, but then I realized it wasn't so much luck as the fact that the really thin finish shows it off beautifully. This one's a lot brighter red than the one that broke, it appears, althought that may just be the flash.

godinpants is right about that mirror Jazz, that's a 3x3 angled headstock if I ever saw one. My guess is that it's a Warmoth job that had a lot of potential but immediately turned into FAIL with that headstock. Seriously who the fuck thought it'd be a good idea to angle that thing?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 14 Feb 2008, 04:18
godinpants is right about that mirror Jazz, that's a 3x3 angled headstock if I ever saw one. My guess is that it's a Warmoth job that had a lot of potential but immediately turned into FAIL with that headstock. Seriously who the fuck thought it'd be a good idea to angle that thing?

It's just the same neck they use on all their guitars. Kramer/Travis Bean style:

(http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/780/620956.JPG)

(http://www.thealuminumking.com/images/TB1000A.jpg)

The entire guitar is aluminium, by the way. (not these ones, the Electrical Guitar Company Jazzmaster). That might explain the headstock design, save on metal/weight
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 14 Feb 2008, 05:36
So, I'm looking to get a new amp.  My current shite practice amp is not cutting it.  I want something that is very versatile, has good tone, and is fairly small.  It would be nice to get it under $250, $200 if possible.  I'm liking the Fender Champ 600, but it doesn't seem that versatile tone-wise.  There's a vintage Traynor solid-state at a local store that I'll probably look at.  Any ideas?

I'm looking for a small amp myself & this caught my eye,
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-SuperChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483075 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-SuperChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483075)
It's a little more, But it might be worth looking into.
They also have this,
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-VibroChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483069 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-VibroChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483069)
It's more in line with your stated budget & has the same features & effects but only one channel and 5w output.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 14 Feb 2008, 07:01
Thanks! I actually though that too, at first, but then I realized it wasn't so much luck as the fact that the really thin finish shows it off beautifully. This one's a lot brighter red than the one that broke, it appears, althought that may just be the flash.
So is that a faded model? I think I heard that those have the thinner finish, which would be great, since they are also the cheaper ones.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 14 Feb 2008, 07:04
I cannot get past that the SG is one of the worst balanced guitars evarr.

If you like the chrome, the fender, the six in line tuners, the humbuckers...then check this out: (John 5 Triple Deluxe)
(http://www.musikland-online.de/pix/onlineshop/Fender-Telecaster-John-V-J5-Triple-Deluxe-Black.jpg)
That pickguard is chrome, not white, btw...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Feb 2008, 09:42
That is fucking HIDEOUS. What is it with John 5 and raping Telecasters?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Feb 2008, 09:59
So is that a faded model? I think I heard that those have the thinner finish, which would be great, since they are also the cheaper ones.

It is indeed! The best thing about the finish is that it's not even really paint, it's just a reddish stain on mahogany and it's just given a sortof twice-over airbrushing of tung oil.

Regarding the SG's balance issues, I've never really cared about the way any of my guitars have balanced. Idunno, maybe I'm just not picky after having owned nothing but shit guitars up until I bought that SG, but I'm really not concerned with how it balances. *shrug* I dunno, it doesn't balance perfectly but it's never bothered me.

To be fair, I've never once played a Gibson that balanced well. My mate's dad has a vintage ES-335 (I hate him so much for it, too), I've played Pauls and SGs out the ass, I've played a friend's vintage Blueshawk and another friend of mine let me play his CS-356 and none of them have been anything but neck-heavy. Maybe Gibson's offset-body designs are different but I've never tried them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Feb 2008, 10:49
Okay people.

I have a '72 Telecaster Custom. It was my baby. It is my dream guitar. It plays like a dream, it looks like a dream, it sounds like a dream. I couldn't be happier with it.

However - since buying it, I haven't played my Squier Tele Standard much. I picked it up to play it recently, and realised that, quite frankly, it's essentially worthless to me now.

The single coil pickups are weak. They're stock, and I know singles aren't meant to be great for sustain or power or anything, but this is ridiculous - they have virtually no sustain and don't even sound that great any more. I was having trouble competing with my mate's electro-acoustic through an amp, fer chrissakes.

It also doesn't play well for me any more. The neck seems to not slide very well. I always forget the names of the woods - but it's a dark colour. Maple, I think? I don't know, but the Standard has a dark neck and I can barely play it, the Custom has a yellow neck and it plays beautifully.

Basically, I don't think that this Squier is a bad guitar, it's just not what I want any more.

It does still hold sentimental value. It has a slight ding in the finish which I find endearing - but I'm realising that I have eight guitars. I can't take them all to uni and this one isn't doing me much good for anything. I'm in a metal band at the moment and as a spare guitar, it'd be utterly useless.

The question is - should I sell it? It has no practical use, only sentimental value; and if nothing else, it may teach me that I never want to sell one of my guitars again, but I know I'll barely use it.

I want to replace it with a Jaguar...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 14 Feb 2008, 10:57
Just give it to me. I'll fix it up nice.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 14 Feb 2008, 11:08
That's another thing I forgot to mention, is that for the cost it'd take to make it useable again, it'd 1. not be the guitar I loved any more (it'd be just the body) and 2. be pricey enough that I should just buy another guitar instead.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 14 Feb 2008, 13:11
That's another thing I forgot to mention, is that for the cost it'd take to make it useable again, it'd 1. not be the guitar I loved any more (it'd be just the body) and 2. be pricey enough that I should just buy another guitar instead.
I have a mexiCaster I feel the same way about. It's an ok backup. Everytime I think about getting the bridge fixed I just say, "meh."

I think the John 5 looks cool. But then I play a Parker so I am already into unusual, I guess. I've been leaning on something like the John 5 for my next purchase. But 1) I don't want a #[email protected]#$^ John 5 anything. and 2) I could get an Eastwood that would be way fruitier looking and thus multiply my happiness. Addionally 3) the J5 Triple Delux is fucking made in Mexico. And I fear that it would be a let down shortly after purchasing.

Of course the last 3 basses we bought we 'Murican made and every one of them had to go back for one reason or another.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 14 Feb 2008, 14:00
Regarding the SG's balance issues, I've never really cared about the way any of my guitars have balanced. Idunno, maybe I'm just not picky after having owned nothing but shit guitars up until I bought that SG, but I'm really not concerned with how it balances. *shrug* I dunno, it doesn't balance perfectly but it's never bothered me.

To be fair, I've never once played a Gibson that balanced well. My mate's dad has a vintage ES-335 (I hate him so much for it, too), I've played Pauls and SGs out the ass, I've played a friend's vintage Blueshawk and another friend of mine let me play his CS-356 and none of them have been anything but neck-heavy. Maybe Gibson's offset-body designs are different but I've never tried them.

That's weird, I've never played a Les Paul that balanced funny!

My Firebird is less neck-heavy than an SG but more neck-heavy than a Les Paul. The design also sticks the neck way further out towards your left arm than Les Pauls or SGs, which I like. I've never actually played an Explorer standing up, so I don't know if they do something similar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 14 Feb 2008, 14:57
The single coil pickups are weak. They're stock, and I know singles aren't meant to be great for sustain or power or anything, but this is ridiculous - they have virtually no sustain and don't even sound that great any more. I was having trouble competing with my mate's electro-acoustic through an amp, fer chrissakes.

It also doesn't play well for me any more. The neck seems to not slide very well. I always forget the names of the woods - but it's a dark colour. Maple, I think? I don't know, but the Standard has a dark neck and I can barely play it, the Custom has a yellow neck and it plays beautifully.

Squire pickups are pretty lame.  Although, I changed the strings on my Squire Strat to a heavier gauge recently, and got a shitload of my sustain back.  Dark necks are either ebony or rosewood (or perhaps mahogany*).  I've never seen an ebony fretboard on a Squire or a Fender, though.  Maple is the yellow wood.

*You might want to double check that one.  I'm not too sure about it, myself.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 14 Feb 2008, 15:24
Hmmm...

On the topic of Squier pickups, I've debated replacing the pickup's on my p-bass. Is this worth bothering with?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Feb 2008, 15:50
Squier pickups are pretty lame

YOU ARE WRONG (http://www.box.net/shared/xc7w6i2sks)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 14 Feb 2008, 15:54
Squier pickups are pretty lame

YOU ARE WRONG (http://www.box.net/shared/xc7w6i2sks)

What about the overdriven tone?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 14 Feb 2008, 16:05
So, I'm looking to get a new amp.  My current shite practice amp is not cutting it.  I want something that is very versatile, has good tone, and is fairly small.  It would be nice to get it under $250, $200 if possible.  I'm liking the Fender Champ 600, but it doesn't seem that versatile tone-wise.  There's a vintage Traynor solid-state at a local store that I'll probably look at.  Any ideas?

I'm looking for a small amp myself & this caught my eye,
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-SuperChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483075 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-SuperChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483075)
It's a little more, But it might be worth looking into.
They also have this,
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-VibroChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483069 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-VibroChamp-XD-120V-Guitar-Combo?sku=483069)
It's more in line with your stated budget & has the same features & effects but only one channel and 5w output.

Thanks for pointing these out!  I went and tried out some amps today.  I eliminated a vintage Univox solid state w/ tremolo (it was kind of ridiculous but also shitty), an Orange practice amp (again, shitty), and a Tech 21 Trademark 10.  The Tech 21 was nice (for solid state), but I kind of dislike the idea of trying to copy the sound of a classic amp, and I'm not sure how I feel about the execution of the concept either.  I tried one amp I really liked: the vintage Traynor TS-50.  It's solid state, but has decent tone, and might be exactly what I want, as it has some good basic controls (EQ, gain, volume) and some nice features (reverb, bright switch, boost).  Plus it's larger than my current one and sounds like it could get loud (and it has a direct out as well as the ability to disconnect the internal speaker and hook it up to a larger cab).  I was not able to try out the Fender Champ 600, but it seems like it wouldn't really be versatile enough for my needs.

In other news, my friend just got a vintage Mosrite Celebrity hollow-body short-scale bass.  Serial No. 12
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 14 Feb 2008, 16:37
What about the overdriven tone?

(quick reminder: please don't quote the post above you!)

http://www.box.net/shared/ngwdul3lwc

Disregard the vocals, I suck cocks (and it was a 20 minute job at most).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 14 Feb 2008, 16:50
What amp is that tone going through?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 14 Feb 2008, 20:08
The question is - should I sell it? It has no practical use, only sentimental value; and if nothing else, it may teach me that I never want to sell one of my guitars again, but I know I'll barely use it.

I want to replace it with a Jaguar...

That's up to you, depends how much sentimental attachment you have to it. You know, a Jaguar won't be much use in a metal band either, unless you're just using it for the clean bits or it's one of those with humbuckers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Feb 2008, 00:50
What amp is that tone going through?

My Marshall MG100DFX and my Boss DD-20. I think I've only got one recording on an EP I'm about to finish that doesn't use my Marsh exclusively, and I think every recording has my DD-20. Those two things are pretty much my lifeline.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 15 Feb 2008, 01:01
My Marshall MG100DFX and my Boss DD-20. I think I've only got one recording on an EP I'm about to finish that doesn't use my Marsh exclusively, and I think every recording has my DD-20. Those two things are pretty much my lifeline.

... an MG? I applaud you for getting such an agreeable tone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 15 Feb 2008, 01:09
I'm curious, why did you choose to go for an MG instead of saving a little more and getting a cheap tube combo?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 15 Feb 2008, 01:27
It's not that agreeable a tone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 03:02
It's not that agreeable a tone.

Considering the gear, it is actually really good. It still sounds pretty flat, thin and lifeless, but hey.. It's a solid state and Squier, what can you expect?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 15 Feb 2008, 03:27
It's not that agreeable a tone.

Oh, come now, it's not that bad for a Tele.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: voidSkipper on 15 Feb 2008, 03:53
It's not that agreeable a tone.

Oh, come now, it's not that bad for a Tele.

I need to log in for the first time in a long time here just to say;

"Oh no he didn't!"
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 05:05
... an MG? I applaud you for getting such an agreeable tone.

Wicked under-rated amps. I love my MG-15CDR.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 15 Feb 2008, 05:08
What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 05:13
What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.

QFT..

I also thought my MG15CDR sounded good until I tried something else.

Boy, was I wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 05:15
What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.

I'll admit it's nowhere near the Hot Rod Deluxe I've played at my local shop, but it gets the job done for me.

My other amp is a shitty Peavey 15 watt thing. I'd asked my parents for an Epi Valve Junior for christmas, and my dad, drummer he is, thinks "it's solid state, but it's got more tone control! Hell yes!". I use it for my noise records.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 05:22
I know he's your dad and everything and you love him and all, but I'll say this:

Don't ever trust a drummer with a task more complicated than hitting stuff with sticks. It will go wrong.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Feb 2008, 05:22
I want a Hot Rod Deluxe so bad.   :cry:

When I have a spare two hundred dollars, I'm going to trade the amp I have now in, and pay the difference for one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 05:28
I know he's your dad and everything and you love him and all, but I'll say this:

Don't ever trust a drummer with a task more complicated than hitting stuff with sticks. It will go wrong.

He keeps pushing Ibanez on me, as well. Dude. I want to get a Fender, or a Dano or something along that line. I can't stand Ibanez.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 05:32
Guitars or amps?!

You really should try the Ibanez Valbee practice amp, if given the opportunity. I've had mine for about a month and I am very pleased with it, since it has a lot more tonal options than your average tiny tube combo. The tone is also really, really nice.

That said, if you don't want your guitars to be total metal shredder-machines, try and check out their Artcore line. Lots of really nice Jazzboxes and semi-hollows at dirt cheap prices.
Yes, I am an Ibanez whore. I love my S7420 to death, just so you know.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 05:35
The guitars. I think it mainly is the aesthetics, and the whole metalcore/shredding vibe the company gives off. It's kinda the same thing that tends to turn me away from ESP (though I could swear Jonsi was playing a Viper on "Heysatan", in Heima)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 15 Feb 2008, 05:36
The Ibanez SZ series is also great. They're more hard-rock geared than metal. Thicker necks, 22 frets, fuller bodies, ect.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 05:44
The guitars. I think it mainly is the aesthetics, and the whole metalcore/shredding vibe the company gives off. It's kinda the same thing that tends to turn me away from ESP (though I could swear Jonsi was playing a Viper on "Heysatan", in Heima)

That's true, but it's because that stuff is trendy and sells boatloads nowadays. They still do put out some really cool rock guitars though, like the SZ series. They also put out these things this year:

(http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2008/299.JPG)

(http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2008/263.JPG)
This is a reissue, though..

(http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2008/403.JPG)



But then again, they also did put out this one:

(http://www.ibanezrules.com/namm/images/2008/236.JPG)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Feb 2008, 07:43
What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.

Dude, I've played a vintage Fender Deluxe and a vintage Vox AC30 and I still think my MG puts up damn stiff competition.

Now, if you were to say my microphone sounds like crap, I would definitely agree with you.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 08:15
What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.

Dude, I've played a vintage Fender Deluxe and a vintage Vox AC30 and I still think my MG puts up damn stiff competition.


..but it still isn't better, which is why we, or at least I, will continue to chastise you for still owning it.
Another factor is also that you've learned to dial in the best tone you can with the MG, while you probably hadn't gotten to know the other amps quite as well.
It took me a few weeks of owning it to get the perfect ROKK tone out of my Laney, but when it clicked for me, it clicked HARD!

Come to think of it, a Laney VC15 might be just right for you. It's basically just a good, all-tube combo that can be used for pretty much anything, and they're dirt cheap as well.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Feb 2008, 08:35
@img

Those ARXs are beautiful. Why do I keep looking at guitars when I still have so far to go to be able to afford one?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Feb 2008, 08:50
Dude, I've played a vintage Fender Deluxe and a vintage Vox AC30 and I still think my MG puts up damn stiff competition.

Another factor is also that you've learned to dial in the best tone you can with the MG

Not true in these two cases, actually. For those two samples I was pretty well out of my usual area. I'm used to dialing my own unique tone in for most of my original stuff, but for that rockabilly ditty I hadn't quite got it perfect! As for the punked-out Snow Patrol cover, that's more distortion than I ever use normally, and I didn't bother adjusting EQ settings.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 09:05
OK, can I hear "your" tone then?!

You may still have done the impossible and gotten it to sound decent, for all I know.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 09:53
Okay, dig the AR300. But $3000? Christfucks!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2008, 09:55
The question is - should I sell it? It has no practical use, only sentimental value; and if nothing else, it may teach me that I never want to sell one of my guitars again, but I know I'll barely use it.

I want to replace it with a Jaguar...

That's up to you, depends how much sentimental attachment you have to it. You know, a Jaguar won't be much use in a metal band either, unless you're just using it for the clean bits or it's one of those with humbuckers.

Except for:

1. I like a single coil distorted tone and have seen it used, heard it used, and used it myself successfully in the past, with different guitars. I have no problem with single coils being weaker than humbuckers - I have a problem with them being weaker than a mewing kitten.
2. They are used extensively by noise-rock bands and the likes of At The Drive-In, and have a wammy bar. These are things I can put to good use.
3. Single coil sounds cut.
4. I can use it for other things as well as this, whereas the Tele I currently can't use for ANYTHING.
5. I'm ruminating on a Jagstang, because they have a humbucker in the bridge (ironic that they don't come in fucking left handed! Not that I'm a lefty, but Kurt was...) and a single coil in the neck, which is a config I've always liked.

I think the decision has been made that I'll sell the Tele, it's basically about what I buy instead.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 10:01
There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bucky_2300 on 15 Feb 2008, 10:11
Mmkay, here is all my guitar schmick, excepting acousticness.

DISCLAIMER: I am not actually a Vai whore. It only looks that way.

So first off, here are the guitars.

Epi LP, which has been re-jiggered to death. Tailpiece, tuners, pickups, tone/volume pots, wiring etc. are all new from when I bought it used four years ago. The new pickups are a Seymour Duncan JB and a Lace Transbucker. It's great, sounds really fat and powerful.

And my baby, the JEM7V. No mods, no nothing. It was pretty amazing right out of the box when I ordered it from Ibanez. (No one in this city ever has these things just in stock.) The pickups are tight, hot and articulate. The neck is super-speedy and wide - great for pretty much anything you throw at it. Trem is awesome, never have tuning problems with it no matter how goofy I get. And the monkey grip is just fun.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/bucky_2300/P1011824.jpg)

Next up, amplifier! It's a Carvin Legacy, sounds basically like a hot-rodded JCM800, but with a much better clean sound - and dirty as well, imo. Switchable 50/100w, EL34/12AX7, blah blah blah. It's not a metal amplifier, but it has great thick sustain and a really crunchy Marshally tone. The clean channel is either fat as can be without the presence (great for jazzy stuff) or almost Fender-ish with the presence kicked in. I was pleasantly surprised at the wide range of tones available from this amp, and that it's not at all Vai-in-a-box.

Also, it's LOUD. Holy Jesus is this thing loud. I'm running it through a 2x12 and it can practically peel paint off the walls at four.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/bucky_2300/P1011820.jpg)

Finally, pedals.

The Silver Dragon I never use since getting the Legacy, just don't need it. The gain levels are too huge to use before the gain channel, and the sound into the clean channel is mediocre. So it just sits there looking pretty.

The Boss OD-3 is what I use into the amp's dirty channel. Level all the way up, gain all the way down. It keeps the character of the amp's distortion intact but adds punch and a tiny bit of dirt on the palm muted stuff. It's a great pedal, doesn't do everything but it does what I need it to do.

The MXR Phase 90 is a script logo, so it's supposed to be the "vintage throwback." It sounds fun, really swooshy and great for clean stuff. And it's nice to be able to ape Van Halen once in a while. And it doesn't have that nasty clipping problem that the block logo ones are so well known for, which is a definite plus.

The Boss Flanger is for 80s solos and fat clean stuff. I use it occasionally on clean chimey stuff, or when playing Bark at the Moon or any Ratt/Dokken ever.

Finally, the Boss Delay. I am a delay slut, so having this is lovely. It sounds nice, no complaints.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b186/bucky_2300/P1011823.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 15 Feb 2008, 10:25
There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.

COUGH
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/FenderSwinger_01.JPG/450px-FenderSwinger_01.JPG)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/SquierVenus.jpg)
COUGH

Seriously, wtf with the Musiclander/Swinger. Why destroy a perfectly good Musicmaster?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 15 Feb 2008, 10:29
I'd play a Swinger.

And the Venus was made by Squier.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 10:54
SEX


Dude, I want that amp.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bucky_2300 on 15 Feb 2008, 11:08
SEX


Dude, I want that amp.

Lurk Carvin's eBay store. The one I got is a blem - it had a couple of superficial scratches that had to be pointed out to me. But those scratches coupled with it being factory direct from Carvin meant that I got it for $635 CDN (on Buy It Now, no less!) and shipped out within a week for a grand total of just over $700.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 15 Feb 2008, 11:11
Shiat, that's cheap.

However, I'll settle for my Laney. It's still a damned good amp, though not very versatile.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2008, 11:24
There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.

1. I disagree.
2. Looks ain't everything.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2008, 11:42
NM... me and a mate of mine traded guitars a while back and liked each others' guitars... turns out we both want to get rid of 'em!

It's got no wammy, but it's got 'buckers and will do the job. Clean tone's a bit shit, but that's no worry because this is mainly a backup guitar anyway - and I have my butchered Yammy for doing that kinda thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 15 Feb 2008, 12:40
Meh, I had to send a Carvin bass guitar back TWICE. It took them months to fix it. Right about that time the bass cabinet I bought crapped out. They tried to tell me I underpowered it. With an ampeg SVT4Pro? I don't think so. My PA is all Carvin cabs, power amp. But when this stuff breaks I'll save my money and buy another brand. I think the company has some great products but their quality and customer service has really fallen off.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: bucky_2300 on 15 Feb 2008, 13:18
Yeah, I never have bothered with Carvin's service. I just have a tech that I take my stuff to when it needs work.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 15 Feb 2008, 13:34
In December 2005 I sent a money order to Carvin for an A/B footswitch (I didn't have a credit/check card then). Several months later, it finally makes its way to my house.

Is this just the nature of money orders, or were they completely fucking lax about this?

Back when Carvin used to sell effects, there was an enormous brouhaha about their shitty wah pedal. I'm sure the review's still on Harmony-Central.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 15 Feb 2008, 14:34
The question is - should I sell it? It has no practical use, only sentimental value; and if nothing else, it may teach me that I never want to sell one of my guitars again, but I know I'll barely use it.

I want to replace it with a Jaguar...

That's up to you, depends how much sentimental attachment you have to it. You know, a Jaguar won't be much use in a metal band either, unless you're just using it for the clean bits or it's one of those with humbuckers.

Except for:

1. I like a single coil distorted tone and have seen it used, heard it used, and used it myself successfully in the past, with different guitars. I have no problem with single coils being weaker than humbuckers - I have a problem with them being weaker than a mewing kitten.
2. They are used extensively by noise-rock bands and the likes of At The Drive-In, and have a wammy bar. These are things I can put to good use.
3. Single coil sounds cut.
4. I can use it for other things as well as this, whereas the Tele I currently can't use for ANYTHING.
5. I'm ruminating on a Jagstang, because they have a humbucker in the bridge (ironic that they don't come in fucking left handed! Not that I'm a lefty, but Kurt was...) and a single coil in the neck, which is a config I've always liked.

I think the decision has been made that I'll sell the Tele, it's basically about what I buy instead.

Well if you've thought about it, then you should definitely go for it, cause Jaguars are awesome :D What guitar did you get from your friend?

There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.

COUGH
COUGH

Seriously, wtf with the Musiclander/Swinger. Why destroy a perfectly good Musicmaster?

I actually like the Venus a lot. The Swinger/Musiclander's body is a cut up unused Bass V body. The other parts are Musicmaster...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Feb 2008, 15:50
There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.

Is there an unwritten law somewhere that we have to bring up the Gibson Moderne (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gibson+moderne&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi) every certain number of pages?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Feb 2008, 15:51
That isn't a fender though. Otherwise I think the wangcaster would win.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 15 Feb 2008, 15:53
Oh shit I completely missed the Fender part..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Feb 2008, 17:40
I think the Gibson Corvus wins the Ugliest Guitar award.  That is, for non-custom guitars like the Wangcaster.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 15 Feb 2008, 17:45
Guys I have to confess that I quite like the body shape of the Moderne, and I'm not entirely sure why it gets so much shit. There are a lot worse out there. The headstock is absolute ass though.

Someone a while back mentioned Eastwood guitars. How can anyone say the Moderne is ugly when there are things like this for sale?:

(http://www.performermag.com/images/eastwoodairline_000.jpg)

(http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/hummingbird/images/gtr_Indigo-hummingbird.jpg)

(http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/Bass/rocket/images/bass_blk-rocket.jpg)

(http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/airline-3P/images/gtr_Sunb-airl3P-DLX.jpg)

They look like they were designed by a five-year-old who had once been told what a guitar looked like, but had never seen one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 15 Feb 2008, 17:49
Those guitars make me regret having eyes.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 15 Feb 2008, 17:54
The hummingbird looks like it is one of the ones that looks ugly until you get used to it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Feb 2008, 18:06
The Hummingbird is gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 15 Feb 2008, 18:14
That Airline looks like the kinda guitar which is so ugly I want one, like that Burns strat-a-like.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: ledhendrix on 15 Feb 2008, 18:16
The hummingbird is disgusting.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 15 Feb 2008, 18:54
The hummingbird is better than the rest, but that is a terrible color and the wonky humbucker is ugly as hell.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 15 Feb 2008, 19:08
I think we can at least all agree that the Rocket is the worst one there.

It needs to return to bass hell from whence it came.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Alex C on 15 Feb 2008, 19:10
I have no problem with the hummingbird. The color wouldn't be my first choice but I've seen a helluva lot worse.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Feb 2008, 21:40
Oh shit.  I thought we were talking about the Gibson Hummingbird.

(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p312/JERMDADDY/gibson%20acoustics/gibsonhbirdcustomcocob001.jpg)

Pretty!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 15 Feb 2008, 22:21
We are, that guitar is hideous. It's not even worthy be contained in the same thread as that beautiful Airline.

 :-D
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: VanHorneDog on 15 Feb 2008, 23:07
my jaguar owns all... it will make you cry tears of joy due to its pure beuaty and it's giant balls that some call tone.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 15 Feb 2008, 23:40
Someone a while back mentioned Eastwood guitars. How can anyone say the Moderne is ugly when there are things like this for sale?

(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2812/huegfailoe3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 16 Feb 2008, 00:44
Got an EH 2880 Wednesday.  Very fun little time machine, though I think it startled the rest of my band.

Saw an SG I want today, but I think it's more nostalgia and the fact that it'd play decently flipped over than being anything special...  Maybe when I have a few extra hundred bucks. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Feb 2008, 06:54
It's not Eastwood's fault. They're just making vintage reproductions. There was some strange looking shit back in the day.

Of course, they make some stunningly nice guitars, too. I <33 Eastwood.

(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/classic6/images/gtr_Wh-classic6.jpg)
(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/stormbird/images/gtr_Red-stormbird.jpg)
(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/twinTone/images/gtr_BigsbWh-TT.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 16 Feb 2008, 07:39
That Eastwood Hummingbird is actually a Mosrite copy.  Mosrite guitars could be pretty weird looking but they play amazingly well and sound gorgeous.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Feb 2008, 08:14
Wow, so that's what an 80 year old guitar looks like.

Nice!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 16 Feb 2008, 08:19
i said once that I would post my stuff here, and I was reminded recently in another thread, so here they are:

1917 gibson acoustic:


1976 fender strat:


I also have a microkorg synth, 80's casio keyboard, viola, standard acoustic guitar, and piano.

I envy you...so much...right now...SO MUCH.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 16 Feb 2008, 15:39
Actually the airline deluxe will probably be my next guitar. I have a friend that's a lefty and he has a half dozen Eastwoods. All of them are very well built and extremely playable. Yes, the do look out of the ordinary. If that bugs you get the same 3 or 4 acceptable guitars that look like what everyone else plays.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 16 Feb 2008, 15:45
I sure would love a Classic Six. I could trade in my Fender Lead II, but I love it too much.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 16 Feb 2008, 18:28
Soooo.. Ben792x, where do you live and during what time periods is there nobody at home?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: onewheelwizzard on 18 Feb 2008, 14:53
If you can provide pictures of the guitars you can provide pictures of the bear.

So we can find its weak spot.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 18 Feb 2008, 15:19
So, I think it's about time for a sample of what my awesome Koa Strat sounds like (like on the first post) because it is a freaking beautiful instrument

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/IMG_0212.jpg)

Heres me playing a simple Beatles-like Riff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kujM7yFxzo8

Neck Pickup and played through my Peavy Back Stage Plus.  Size .11 strings, and I put in a third Trem spring (though I think I might actually get one of those Tremel-No things, I hardly ever use the Trem as it is).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 18 Feb 2008, 20:25
I saw a pretty gorgeous guitar on Saturday.

It was a black Tele thinline with a Bigsby.  It may or may not have had a humbucker in it, I can't remember.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: VanHorneDog on 18 Feb 2008, 20:34
the most awsome guitar ever.

http://www.guitarsandeffects.com/guitarimages2006/fender_jaguar_baritone_2/jaguar_bass_VI_baritone_002.jpg

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 18 Feb 2008, 20:38
Ah yes, the Bass VI. A jack of all trades, a master of none.

I want one just to fuck around with. They cost about three frickin kidneys though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 18 Feb 2008, 20:40
Just pointing out:
 

VanHorneDog got the 1337 post...
Re: The Guitar Topic
« Reply #1337 on: Today at 11:34:25 PM »
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: VanHorneDog on 18 Feb 2008, 21:02
Ah yes, the Bass VI. A jack of all trades, a master of none.

I want one just to fuck around with. They cost about three frickin kidneys though.

actually its the recent one they put out. called first a Jaguar Baritone Custom, then the Jaguar Bass VI (or something), now its discontinued and they made a Jaguar/Jazz Bass thing that is now the new Bass VI

of course there is also the Jaguar HH Special Baritone

they all have different scale lenghts too

27"
28.5"
30.5"

i mean... fender come on! anyway i have the one in the picture. amazing little piece of hardware. pretty little bastard too.


and whats with the 1337 post or something?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 18 Feb 2008, 21:24
It's such a pity the 1337 post was wasted on a bass.

j/k.

Anyway, what do people think about modeling guitars? Seems it's going to be the next big thing, what with the HD Les Paul and the VG Strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 18 Feb 2008, 21:51
actually its the recent one they put out. called first a Jaguar Baritone Custom, then the Jaguar Bass VI (or something), now its discontinued and they made a Jaguar/Jazz Bass thing that is now the new Bass VI

That's not actually anything like a Bass VI. The Jaguar Bass is just a Jazz Bass with a switchable active EQ, no separate volume controls for each pickup and a Jaguar body style. It's also a 34" scale 4 string bass.

Fender's only Bass VI model out right now is the Custom Shop Bass VI. The Jaguar Baritones are long Jags with no trems.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: VanHorneDog on 18 Feb 2008, 22:20
actually its the recent one they put out. called first a Jaguar Baritone Custom, then the Jaguar Bass VI (or something), now its discontinued and they made a Jaguar/Jazz Bass thing that is now the new Bass VI

That's not actually anything like a Bass VI. The Jaguar Bass is just a Jazz Bass with a switchable active EQ, no separate volume controls for each pickup and a Jaguar body style. It's also a 34" scale 4 string bass.

Fender's only Bass VI model out right now is the Custom Shop Bass VI. The Jaguar Baritones are long Jags with no trems.


http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Custom-Shop-Bass-VI-N.O.S-?sku=517904

its this weird thing and a 30.3 inch scale. my bad. anyway, they replaced the Jaguar Baritone (that they started calling a bass VI even though it wasnt really a bass VI) with this, probably to make more money or something.

anyway the origional concept for the Jaguar was to be like a bass VI if i can remember.

and Jaguars are sexy FTW.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 19 Feb 2008, 02:24
Anyway, what do people think about modeling guitars? Seems it's going to be the next big thing, what with the HD Les Paul and the VG Strat.

I could write a great big essay about this, but the tl;dr of it is FUCK THAT SHIT.

Seriously, I've played several modeling guitars, and modeling stuff is a cool toy, for sure, but it boils down to being just plain gimmicky and stupid. Stop sucking, get a job, and buy a real guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 19 Feb 2008, 07:43
Verily. As cool as it is that the VG Strat can sound like a Telecaster, you're not actually playing a fucking telecaster are you.

Unless these guitars are made from some kind of amorphous wood that will flex itself to the preferred body, but even then that's still kinda lame.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 19 Feb 2008, 09:38
I saw a pretty gorgeous guitar on Saturday.

It was a black Tele thinline with a Bigsby.  It may or may not have had a humbucker in it, I can't remember.

Probably did if it was a Thinline.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 19 Feb 2008, 12:28
I got a free MIM strat body Saturday, with 3 Duncans in it.  Now, to make a neck out of that extra piece of mahogany I have laying around
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 19 Feb 2008, 23:57
my friend got the strat and he let me play it and there is a serious design flaw: the strings themselves are not retuned, (you can change the tunings in addition to the type of guitar) and so lets say you flip the switch to open g tuning, because the change is DSP only, you still hear the standard tuning from the strings vibrating,

You mean even in the output signal, when the magnetic pickups are turned off? That sucks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Feb 2008, 12:45
WOOOO PAGEBREAK!!

Okay, since this thread has been kind of idle for a few days, I'll try and kick it up again with a little rundown of my gear.

Let's start off with favourite six-string; My Gibson Les Paul.

It's a standard, from around 05-ish. Therefore it is not one of the new, chambered LP's, and therefore also pretty darned heavy, even though it's fairly light.
It's been retrofitted with Seymour Duncan Alnico II pickups, and is strung up with a custom-gauged 11-52 set. It is permanently tuned to Eb. It plays and sounds absolutely to-die-for.

Her name is Peggy Sue.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0062.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0063.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0064.jpg)

Up next is something KimJongSick will be familiar with.
A Gibson SG Special, in the Worn Cherry finish. You can get these things for dirt cheap pretty much everywhere, and they are absolutely fantastic. Mine gets just as much playing time as my expensive-ass Les Paul. I would also like to point out, that it DOES NOT NECKDIVE. I would even go so far to call it perfectly balanced.
It is strung up with a set of 11-54 Ernie Ball string, and tuned to Drop Db.

Her name is Daisy Mae.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0065.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0066.jpg)
Mmmmm, buckle-rash.

Up next is another total gem.
It is an X-Tone PS-2, from around 05-06-ish. I got it through a blowout sale a store in my country had, of some discontinued ESP models. That sale had some sick-ass offers, including the sweet-as-hell Dave Mustaine signature Flying V's for less than half the price, while still brand spankin' factory new!!
It was the same deal with this one. I paid the same price for it, as I would have paid for a Squier or something else ass-tastic.
Instead, I got a REALLY nice Semi-hollow, with a great tone and nigh-on perfect playability. I really couldn't be happier with this, actually.

I went to the aforementioned store, the day after I had witnessed godlike prog-twiddlers Porcupine Tree lay down one of the most awe-inspiring displays of musicianship and art I have ever witnessed. So naturally, I was in a pretty good mood! I had crashed at a good friend's place, and even gotten a good night's sleep, plus a shower.
After this, I figured I might as well go pick up some strings, since the store in my home town doesn't carry Ernie Ball.
When I get there, there's a bit of a line, so I decide to look around a little.

Naturally, I gravtitate towards where they have the ESP/LTD's and Ibanez axes, being the metal-head that I am. I ask one of the clerks if I can try out some guitars over the line 6 POD XT they have set up, and I'm given the green light.
I try out an Ibanez RG321MH, which I really, really liked, but ultimately decided against buying. Glad I did, that day.

Amidst the ESP's, I spot this one. Mainly because it looks cool, but also because it looked TOTALLY out of place next to all manner of pointy, black, EMG-equipped monstrosities.
In the middle of all these guitars that would make you believe they come with a set of spiked leather bracelets and a DIY Tattoo'n'Piercing Kit, I see something that would go hella well together with a sharp tuxedo and hair parted neatly to the side.

Then I think, "Oh what the hell", and try it out just for shits'n'giggles. Surprisingly, the neck feels absolutely perfect. Just the right dimension for my hands and playing style. So far, so good.
I plug it in to the POD, mainly to check the tuning. Surprisingly, it was tuned to Eb, the tuning I use for my band. Surely, a sign from the heavens?!
I jam around on it, and I'm really diggin' the sound, so I ask if I can try it out over some tubey goodness.

I get plugged in to an ENGL Screamer combo, and THIS is where the magic really happens! The amp is set to a low-gain dirty sound, ie. an absolutely rockin' blues tone from the get-go.
All of a sudden, it just clicks and I start to throw out southern RAWK licks and riffs like there's no tomorrow. After a good half hour of pentatonic wanking and an ever-widening grin, I paid the money and took her home, feeling like I'd just hit the jackpot big time.
A good six months of playing it later, I am still convinced that I did. This is very much a story of love at first sight, so this guitar is not going anywhere.
It is strung up with a 10-52 set, and set in Standard E tuning.

Her name is Brandine, named after the redheaded she-yokel of the Simpsons.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0067.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0068.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0069.jpg)
Remember this name, kids. If you see one, buy it! Most underrated guitar brand ever, IMO.

Up next, is a guitar that has been in my hands the most recently. Since my band is pretty much completely dissolved, I have turned my attention towards getting a Grindcore/Death Metal band up and running. Naturally, my old 7-string had to come out for this occasion.
It is a heavily modif.... Ehh, Bastardised and Fucked UP Ibanez S7420.

The trem has been blocked, the finish stripped and the neck pickup and switch have been removed. The Bridge pickup has been replaced by a DiMarzio X2N-7, which wired directly to the volume pot, effectively making this the 7-stringed Mr. Hyde-on-steroids version of a Fender Esquire ;)
It's not that versatile, as you may have guessed, but what it does, it does REALLY well. It also has one of the nicest necks I've ever played.

It is strung up with a 10-52 set, with .65 bass string added as the low B.

It's name is "Ungeheuer".

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0071.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0072.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0073.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0074.jpg)


Up next is a kind of prodigal son. It's an Ibanez RG1570 that I bought from a friend. It's really nice, but I never use it, so I'm afraid I'll have to let it go.
It doesn't have a name.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0045.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0046.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0049.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0050.jpg)

And now, the basses! I have two, and only one of them has a head.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0075.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0076.jpg)

This is my practice amp for home, an Ibanez Valbee. A shame they don't make them anymore.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0078.jpg)

And my POD.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/Mosag/IMG_0079.jpg)

Yay.

In my now-defunct band's jam room, I also have a Laney GH50L head, with an ENGL 4*12 cab. That amp rocks hard. So hard it doesn't need it's picture taken.




Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Feb 2008, 15:32
Dude can we hang out sometime
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 21 Feb 2008, 16:30
Yeah, I'll pwn you though. Totally.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 21 Feb 2008, 17:13
Idunno about that, man. I really do not know. I have been able to get sounds out of my two electrics that a lot of people have only dreamed about.

When I move to Alaska this summer I am going to invest in some high-quality recording gear. I -need- to have a good mic so everything I record doesn't sound like bags of ass.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Feb 2008, 21:09
Are there any downsides to a seven string guitar? I doubt I will buy one any time soon, but I am wondering why not.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 21 Feb 2008, 21:35
Half the people on the forum will ridicule you for it.

Well, in real downsides, there's not as many to choose from - therefore it's a lot harder to get the tone you want, and finding a good one can be very difficult.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 21 Feb 2008, 22:26
Half the people on the forum would ridicule me for anything other than a tele or jazzmaster. I can accept that.

Am I alone in thinking that the les paul would look so much better without the cream trim?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 21 Feb 2008, 22:42
Am I alone in thinking that the les paul would look so much better without the cream trim?

Les Paul Studio
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: VanHorneDog on 22 Feb 2008, 00:17
Plus the studio is hella cheaper... did i just say hella??? fuck me and my SoCalness....



anywho...

i should post my babies... but they arent much. No money makes you creative though, who needs tone when you can play right? (i do cuz i cant play!)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 22 Feb 2008, 01:05
Yeah, they are cheaper, but for someone my age, they are still in the "I could get my first car for that much" range.

It is a good thing i don't have a credit card, though, or I would never be able to go in the local guitar store. Just one good guitar... then I won't end up lusting over the dozens of other better guitars I want, I promise...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 22 Feb 2008, 01:07
Trust me, that won't stop you. Lummer (the bastard!) is proof of that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 22 Feb 2008, 01:20
Yeah, I know that isn't going to happen.

I should probably also look into getting a better amp after I get a new guitar, I got this one in the package with my Behringer cheapo-guitar. It is more than loud enough for me (I really don't have the ears to be a musician, not without ear protection at least), and it is a tube, but I doubt there is very much in the way of quality from it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ketzer on 22 Feb 2008, 02:35
Well, just joined the forums solely because of this topic. how's that?


Here are my weapons.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ZerglingRush31/Guitars/full.jpg)

My Jackson KVX10, a 2007.

Heavily modified, all the hardware, including the tremolo unit, came off a '99 Ibanez RG570 that was damaged beyond repair. The pickups are EMG 81 and 85, and the trem arm is a lefty, for extra-accesibility. Love this thing, but trying to sell it on account of...

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ZerglingRush31/Guitars/P2220898.jpg)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ZerglingRush31/Guitars/P2220895.jpg)

My new baby, a 2000 Ibanez RG7420. A long time ago, I played a Schecter Omen 7, and while I loved the low B, I hated the neck and realized that I really needed a floating trem. so here we are, 3 years later, and I finally get my hands on a seven-string that I find playable. Let the good times roll.


(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ZerglingRush31/Guitars/P6200439.jpg)

Before I played any guitar at all, this was my primary tool of destruction, a 2004 Ibanez SRX505, probably the nicest bass I've ever played.



What can I say, I'm a sucker for the Low B.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Feb 2008, 03:55
Man how does that V even stay on the stand.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 22 Feb 2008, 04:28
Half the people on the forum will ridicule you for it.

Well, in real downsides, there's not as many to choose from - therefore it's a lot harder to get the tone you want, and finding a good one can be very difficult.

Yeah, that's basically all there is to it. The guitar options aren't THAT bad though. It's easy to find a lot of Ibanez's really kickass '98-05-ish models for cheap on eBay, and Schecter also have a wide selection, so it's not as bad as it used to be, ie. right after the 7-string trend fizzled out.

Oh, and Ketzer, you have very good taste, young man.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 22 Feb 2008, 05:17
Yeah, they are cheaper, but for someone my age, they are still in the "I could get my first car for that much" range.

Man, what do you think public transportation is for?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 22 Feb 2008, 07:26
Man, I feel like I'm going to get ridiculed for this (you know cause I'm probably the ONLY Strat person here and all), but I figure I'll post the guitars resideing in my house just for kicks.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/Guitars/Start_ovation.jpg)
These here are my babies.  On the left is an Ovation celebrity model that's since been discontinued.  Probably not the best sounding acoustic out there, but it's pretty good and it's basically indestructible, so I can take it places and busker the shit out of things if need be.  Also, it was a present from my guitar nut aunts for my birthday, so, I'm in no way complaining!

On the right is my Koa Strat.  It's on the front page of this topic, and it is awesome.  The sound is great.  It's a really bluesy sounding guitar, but when put through my Ibanez DS10 Distortion Charger, it's really got a great crunch to it.  Basically, It's an awesome guitar, and Fender stopped making them, so it may be worth something 20 or 30 years down the road, who knows?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/Guitars/squire_harmony.jpg)
These are my dad's.  On the left is his first guitar, and old Harmony Rocket.  Despite the fact that old guitars are awesome, this one is not.  The neck is warpy, the pickups are flat and toneless, and even though it has new locking tuning heads, it's never in tune.  I imagine it had a good sound once, but not so much now.  Mostly here for sentimental value.

On the right, is My Dad's old 1980's Squire strat.  Even though it's a squire, it was an earley model so it's construction is actually REALLY sturdy and well made.  It's almost heavier than my Fender strat actually.  It used to be white, but the color faded into that awesome cream color which looks great in my opinion.  He put new pickups in it a while ago (probably in the 90's), some Fender Texas Specials (which cost more than the guitar did at the time, lol) and they are quite hot.  This guitar screams!  It has a amazing sound.  I may be a little biased to my own guitar, but it's sound is pretty much the greatest thing ever.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/Guitars/1980Squire.jpg)
There's a closeup

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v98/BOTSO/Guitars/takamine.jpg)
And here's my Dad's Takamine Acoustic.  It was a gift from someone, I can't remember who, but this guitar is honestly one of the best sounding acoustics I've heard.  Really deep and full sound.  It has a nick in the body though which is kind of bogus.

Also, it's worth mentioning that when my Grandad died, we got his old guitar.  A 1940's Gibson Acoustic Electric (or something like that).  My dad sent it out to Gibson for restoration (beause it was beat to shit), and we'll probably get it back NEXT year, but still, the anticipation has me excited just to look at it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 22 Feb 2008, 08:27
Well, just joined the forums solely because of this topic. how's that?


Here are my weapons.

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ZerglingRush31/Guitars/full.jpg)



I used to have that same amp/cab.
Sounded pretty good for ss.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 22 Feb 2008, 11:55
Yeah, they are cheaper, but for someone my age, they are still in the "I could get my first car for that much" range.

Man, what do you think public transportation is for?
People that aren't paranoid about being transported by someone that they don't personally know. Seriously, I hate buses and planes.

I will probably just hope for a hand-me-down truck from my dad.

Pat, why wouldn't it stay on the stand? I would say even the neck being held is enough, it works for my strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 22 Feb 2008, 11:59
Strats and Vs are quite differently shaped, dude.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ketzer on 22 Feb 2008, 12:38
On the V stand, the front 2 legs have a layer of padding on them that the wings rest on, and it actually fits quite snugly.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 22 Feb 2008, 12:43
The heads are similar enough, and as he said, the v rests on the lower bits (are they called legs? I don't know the terminology). Even without those legs, though, it would hold onto it by the head.

Course, I don't technically have a strat, it is a "vintager", which just happens to be identical to a strat except for the body being squatter, the head being a different shape (think wider tele) and strats not tending to be POSs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ketzer on 22 Feb 2008, 15:44
Lummer, how doe the X2N-7 sound in the S body? I know the S bodies are mahogany, and the RGs are Basswood, but the Stock (I assume that's what they are) pickups in the 7420 are muddy as all hell once you crank the gain, and I'm frankly getting sick of it.

I've been considering the X2N-7, the Evolution 7, and the new Duncan Blackout 7, because that's an active 7-string Pup that doesn't require more routing of the body.


Any input is welcomed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Feb 2008, 16:16
I'm kind of biased towards single-coil pickups, because just about every guitar I have played that had humbuckers in them sounded like ass.  They were all too muddy, except for this Schecter S-1, which was outfitted with some Seymour Duncans.  That was a gorgeous guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 22 Feb 2008, 17:32
(you know cause I'm probably the ONLY Strat person here and all)

YOU APPEAR TO BE FORGETTING SOMEBODY, GOOD SIR

Seriously, depending how much I get back for tax returns (probably not lots), I will get either a Danelectro or a MIM Strat, which I will equip with an extra 2 trem springs (end count being 5 springs, yee), a graphite nut, and locking tuners.

I really have no idea why some people in this world are so uppity about Strats. They're excellent little pieces and I would very much like to have one of my own. Seriously, if it's good enough for Buddy Holly, Buddy Guy, and Jimi Motherfucking Hendrix -without- those mods, there are no excuses left for anybody.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Feb 2008, 18:40
Yeah, I would love a genuine Strat.  Unlike this Squire rig I'm rocking right now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: turtlspinr on 23 Feb 2008, 01:12
I have a question that pertains to guitars, kind of....

Has anyone heard of Rivera Amps, specifically the K312 Sub? My guitarist picked up a used one a few months back, and we're now having issues with it. If anyone is familiar with them and would be willing to give some advice, I'd really appreciate it.

And yes, we've tried the Rivera website and found nothing, and google-ing for a manual gets us nowhere.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: hellion on 23 Feb 2008, 07:44
The K312 could be considered the last of the "Los Lobottom" cabs they made.
Literally a powered sub for guitar.
I'm not familiar with the K312 it self but I remember the SUB1/SUB2 Lobottom cabs got their signal from the send jack of the FX loop.
What is going wrong with it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 23 Feb 2008, 07:54
Lummer, how doe the X2N-7 sound in the S body? I know the S bodies are mahogany, and the RGs are Basswood, but the Stock (I assume that's what they are) pickups in the 7420 are muddy as all hell once you crank the gain, and I'm frankly getting sick of it.

I've been considering the X2N-7, the Evolution 7, and the new Duncan Blackout 7, because that's an active 7-string Pup that doesn't require more routing of the body.


Any input is welcomed.

That depends on which sound you want. The X2N-7 is a very bright and agressive-sounding pickup. I for one love it, since my sound is all about the midrange and bright chuggy goodness.
I suspect it would sound maybe a little too bright in a Basswood-bodied guitar.

The Evo 7, is not a pickup I am all that familiar with, so I can't tell you much about it.

Personally, I'd go for a set of Blaze Customs.

Blackjacks do sound quite awesome as well, though. But then again, that is only judging from clips.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 23 Feb 2008, 20:16
Alright, I'm jumping in. Behold!
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/00002.jpg)
Far right is a Tokai strat, my first electric. I had to replace the fretboard, and didn't feel like adding fret markers. It does have side dots, of course. And I got to bump it up from 21 frets to 22! It's got some Lindy Fralins in it, but I need to replace the cheap-ass tuners, as the B goes flat when I bend it.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/00005.jpg)
The first one I made at guitar school (http://www.luthiers-international.com/). Worked out ok, but the bridge pickup is insanely bright, as I put it too close to the bridge. Cheap StewMac Golden Age pickups.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/00004.jpg)
G&L ASAT Deluxe Semi-hollow. So very nice. Seymours that I still haven't gotten around to replacing, coil tap, light but well-balanced, sounds great, comfy, and really facilitates my raggin' on Fender.
Next to it is a PRS SE soapbar, that I won when I worked at PRS. They give away two every month in a drawing for the people who weren't late. They used to give away one real PRS; that would've been nice...But still, free guitar! I happened to have never gotten around to making a PRS-style soapbar, so I switched out all the hardware with stuff that isn't Korean crap, and Fralin P-90s. Not a bad guitar at all; the neck's a baseball bat, but decent quality.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/00006.jpg)
The other guitar I made at school. Not perfect, but one of the most important things they taught me was not to point out your mistakes.
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/00008.jpg)
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/00009.jpg)
And lastly, the amp powerful enough to handle all that:
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/RipTatermen/lilsmokey.jpg)
I wish I'd gotten one of the old ones that were inside a cigarette pack; I think they got sued and had to stop. I've got a little Marshall valvestate and a little Crate tweedy tubey amp, too. They make noise and stuff, but nothing to write home about.
Oh, and the dearly departed: a Fender acoustic with a strat headstock I just couldn't stand, a G&L Legacy that I traded in on the ASAT, and an Epiphone Casino that someone modded like a Dot 335 that I had to sell when we moved 'cause it wouldn't fit in the car. Considering we made it to the destination of the move with about $7, it was probably for the best.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 23 Feb 2008, 21:20
Out of curiousity, does anyone know what kind of electric Don Anderson (Agalloch) plays? I have seen pictures, but I can't place it. Pictures are at www.agalloch.org under photos, I can't link the photo page directly. He is the short-haired one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 23 Feb 2008, 21:28
I can't tell you what kind, but I am damn sure that headstock says schecter.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 23 Feb 2008, 21:54
Thanks, I couldn't make it out past the strings. I can probably track it down from there. Not likely to get one of those in the forseeable future, but I love the tones he gets out of it. Though I suppose that also comes from the effects quite a bit.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ketzer on 23 Feb 2008, 23:25
looks to me like one of the old Omen 7s/C-7s


Schecter necks, as I noted earlier, are rather large, especially on the seven-string models.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 24 Feb 2008, 04:27
I don't find Schecter's 7-string necks to be as big some people say they are, honestly.

They are fatter than Ibanez, but only slightly, IMO.
Still enough to make them too big for my bitch-like little hands though, but that's another story.

That said, the overall quality of Schecter has impressed the fuck out of me!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 25 Feb 2008, 04:53
RipTaterman, that acoustic is -gorgeous-, I don't see any flaws. Only thing I'd do different is give her some inlays.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 25 Feb 2008, 07:23
Alright, I'm jumping in. Behold!
(http://~)
Far right is a Tokai strat, my first electric. I had to replace the fretboard, and didn't feel like adding fret markers. It does have side dots, of course. And I got to bump it up from 21 frets to 22! It's got some Lindy Fralins in it, but I need to replace the cheap-ass tuners, as the B goes flat when I bend it.
(http://~)
I heartily recommend the Sperzels. I just dealt with them directly on a customer service issue and they are wonderful people with a great product.
Plus a set of 6-in-line will only run you about $75 or less.

In other news, or new drummer left his Rickenbacker 620 for me to mess around with.
Yeehaw!
-Eric
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 25 Feb 2008, 08:30
Isn't that thing just a random noise generator?

Also I call shenanigans on Zinky getting sued and stopping production of the Smokey Amps.

They're totally still around and sold at my work.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 25 Feb 2008, 08:39
What exactly is playable on it?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 25 Feb 2008, 21:54
KJS: Thanks! If you could get your hands on it you'd see some imperfections (I believe the back is supposed to be convex  :oops:), but all in all I'm pretty happy. I didn't even know there was such a thing as flame mahogany until I got those sides, but man, it looks cool.

Doombilly: I loves me some Sperzels. The ASAT and the orange one have them. The Tokai has vintage style tuners, though, so I've been considering these (http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Guitar,_solid_peghead_tuners/Gotoh_Locking_Vintage_Oval_Knob_Tuners.html), when I have dollars, since the holes'd match. I don't know if they're any good, though.

Ballard: I didn't mean to imply that they were weren't making them, only that they weren't putting them in cigarette packs anymore. But if they still are, I guess you get to whale on me with a broom.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 26 Feb 2008, 01:07
They do still put them in cigarette packs.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 26 Feb 2008, 02:16
Sam: FUCK YES
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Valekraft on 26 Feb 2008, 03:31
I am not a guitarist... Though I do have a badass Guitar.
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/valekraft/Lucille.jpg)
Autographed by BB and was one of the ones he used on his 2003 tour..

But like I said I am a bassist so I guess I should show off what I actually play
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/valekraft/MY_BASS.jpg)
My Schecter SB-1   It has a paint flaw so the original buyer didn't want it... Lucky me.

For some reason my brain wrote Custom Shop before because it was 5am and I had been up for over 24 hours. Anyway it is a korean made but I still love the way it plays.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 26 Feb 2008, 07:40
Custom Shop..Diamond Series? Something's yelling "DOES NOT COMPUTE" at me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 26 Feb 2008, 10:37
How the fuck did you get that guitar, dogg?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Valekraft on 26 Feb 2008, 12:05
Custom Shop..Diamond Series? Something's yelling "DOES NOT COMPUTE" at me.

Im not really sure why I said Custom shop...... That was a goof up.. It's a Korean made. Was special ordered to Lanier Music in Mandeville, La. (no longer a schecter liscenced store) but yeah anyway.. I got it cheap because of a paint flaw as you can see in the pic. 

Here is another Pic of me playing with my band Pac-man Turner Overdrive.
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/valekraft/l_c1f9932c6d2c704acd79a9faaa18ff57.jpg)


How the fuck did you get that guitar, dogg?

I do volunteer work with WWOZ New Orleans. It is the only Jazz and Blues Radio station in the city. My father is a DJ there and we got to meet him a few times. He is a really nice guy, glad I have this guitar now.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 27 Feb 2008, 11:23
(http://eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/stormbird/images/gtr_Wh-stormbird.jpg)

I hate you so hard, Mike Robinson. I must have that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 27 Feb 2008, 13:23
HUGUBL;UGHULBHLUGHLBUHULIU;HGLBUHHGLUBHLUGHBULHLUHGLBUHULBHLGUHBLUHHGULBHLU;;HLHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap*
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Feb 2008, 13:40
o.o
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 27 Feb 2008, 16:35
Why not just get a Jazzmaster?

Why not just get a J. Mascis Signature Jazzmaster?

PURPLE FUCKING SPARKLE BITCHES
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Feb 2008, 17:12
Because a '62 Reissue will cost you your soul.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 27 Feb 2008, 17:43
I wasn't using it anyway.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 27 Feb 2008, 18:14
Holy crap I didn't realize Eastwoods were so cheap!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Feb 2008, 18:23
(http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/GTRs/P-90Special/images/gtr_Red-P90sp.jpg)

Huhhblhluuuuh....Only $399.99...That's like, four hundred dollars cheaper than the Gibson model it's based off of (the guitar I want).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 27 Feb 2008, 19:28
The les paul DC? Or something else?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 27 Feb 2008, 20:12
Its the Les Paul DC copy.  I really like that one too.

I also love the MOSRITE baritone copy with tremolo.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Feb 2008, 20:19
I really wish I could play one of those things.  I have to get Daddy's Junkie Music to order a Gibson Les Paul Faded DC, if there's a used one for sale on their site.

Ugh.  Stupid Vermont.  Nobody carries Gibson guitars.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 27 Feb 2008, 20:31
Jeph that Eclipse in the pics you posted on your blog is fucking sexual.

For those who missed it, Here 'tis (http://qcjeph.livejournal.com/92457.html#cutid1)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Jasper on 27 Feb 2008, 20:45
http://www.jacksonguitars.com/products/search.php?partno=2910505585

wankwankwankwankwankwank
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Feb 2008, 20:46
That black guitar with what looks like EMG pickups?  It looks nice, but the brand is called Eclipse?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 27 Feb 2008, 20:48
It's an ESP Eclipse (http://www.espguitars.com/guitars_eclipse.html)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 27 Feb 2008, 20:49
Ohhh.  My bad.  It was kind of hard to read the headstock.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 27 Feb 2008, 20:52
Eclipses are damn sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 28 Feb 2008, 11:29
Re: Eastwoods.
I have a lefty friend that has several. He's had no bad luck with any of them.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 28 Feb 2008, 13:55
http://www.jacksonguitars.com/products/search.php?partno=2910505585

wankwankwankwankwankwank

That's about as sexy as Anna Nicole's postmortem photos.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 28 Feb 2008, 14:05
I might be getting a sweet-ass Greco Les Paul Custom tomorrow.

You have been warned.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Feb 2008, 16:53
@Spluff:
Yes. Yes they are. The EC-series from ESP are sexy too, I am most recently lusting over the stained black cherry EC-500. Kinda odd that you need to add a battery for the pickups though, didn't know some needed that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 28 Feb 2008, 19:13
Hey, why hasn't this thread been stickied yet?  It seems like it should be, it sure is popular enough.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: squawk on 28 Feb 2008, 19:23
You just want to see your name at the top all the time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 28 Feb 2008, 20:48
@Spluff:
Yes. Yes they are. The EC-series from ESP are sexy too, I am most recently lusting over the stained black cherry EC-500. Kinda odd that you need to add a battery for the pickups though, didn't know some needed that.

They're active pickups - it's kinda like having a miniature pre-amp in the pickups, because the standard output is too low, which is what you need the batteries for.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 28 Feb 2008, 23:36
Huh. I understood a few words of that. Are they rare batteries, or just a 9volt or something?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 28 Feb 2008, 23:43
You just pop a 9 volt into the necessary compartment. Mine is round the back of the guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 29 Feb 2008, 01:48
Poppin' a 9 in a guitar?

(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3636/tupacamarushakuryo6.jpg)

Not impressed.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 29 Feb 2008, 01:50
I wouldn't want to risk fucking up the circuitry, otherwise, bullet holes in a guitar could look pretty badass. Just pick one that is already in bad shape.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 29 Feb 2008, 05:07
http://www.jacksonguitars.com/products/search.php?partno=2910505585

wankwankwankwankwankwank

That's about as sexy as Anna Nicole's postmortem photos.

It looks like they stopped short. Like they wanted to do something else with the body but didn't. WAY TO HALF-ASS IT.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 29 Feb 2008, 18:19
(http://www.animedistrict.com/anime/beck/vol2boxartl.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 29 Feb 2008, 18:26
Now that is exactly the kind of guitar that it shouldn't be done to. Les pauls are too beautiful. Something that looks like Pat's squier, I could see. Especially fitting since that kind is called a bullet, right?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 29 Feb 2008, 18:29
I've played a few guitars that I would love to put a few bullets in. They had about as much tone as a cat in labor.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 29 Feb 2008, 18:32
Guitars + Bullets = No(Really Fucking Bad Idea) - Intelligence

It's a pretty simple equation people.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 29 Feb 2008, 18:33
I've played a few guitars that I would love to put a few bullets in. They had about as much tone as a cat in labor.
Did they have actives? I think the battery compartment ought to hold an M150 well enough.

edit: Oh, and I was wondering: Are the double tone and volume knobs found on a Les Paul/SG really very useful compared to a single volume and tone or a single volume and two tone?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 01 Mar 2008, 00:34
Well, for one thing, with two volumes you can turn off a pickup and get a staccato on-off Jonny Greenwood-style thing with the pickup switch (although he has a separate switch to interrupt the signal, of course). And it can be nice to switch quickly from a warm low-tone neck sound to a bright bridge, or vice versa, without knob-twiddlin'. These are my rambling thoughts.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Mar 2008, 01:49
Oh, and I was wondering: Are the double tone and volume knobs found on a Les Paul/SG really very useful compared to a single volume and tone or a single volume and two tone?

God yes. Thing is, with the two volume knobs, you can get any blend of the two pickups that you could ever want. There are very few things sweeter to my ears than the sound of both my SG's pickups with the neck pickup rolled off just a tiny little bit.

tl;dr pickup blending is for lol and win.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 01 Mar 2008, 03:33
Jeph that Eclipse in the pics you posted on your blog is fucking sexual.

For those who missed it, Here 'tis (http://qcjeph.livejournal.com/92457.html#cutid1)

Thanks! I like it a LOT. ESP guitars are so good. Everything I like about 90s-era Jacksons (great build quality, excellent pickups, reasonable prices).*

Maybe today I'll take pictures of the rest of my stuff. FOR GLOATING

*GEE THANKS FENDER FOR BUYING JACKSON AND IMMEDIATELY RAISING THEIR PRICES $500 AND ALSO DRIVING THE VALUE OF USED PRE-FENDER JACKSONS WAY WAY WAY UP YOU CUNTS
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 01 Mar 2008, 03:53
I've played a few guitars that I would love to put a few bullets in. They had about as much tone as a cat in labor.
Did they have actives? I think the battery compartment ought to hold an M150 well enough.

edit: Oh, and I was wondering: Are the double tone and volume knobs found on a Les Paul/SG really very useful compared to a single volume and tone or a single volume and two tone?

YES. You can have one pickup completely off, you can have both on and dial in a kind of dual sound, you have millions more options. You can do that pickup switching/tapping thing that Tom Morello does by having one pickup totally off. Having two volume knobs unleashes a whole new realm of possibilities.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Mar 2008, 06:20
Now that is exactly the kind of guitar that it shouldn't be done to. Les pauls are too beautiful. Something that looks like Pat's squier, I could see. Especially fitting since that kind is called a bullet, right?

You think his is bad? Should see mine. I had a girlfriend that out of anger one day decided to start smashing the guitar off a pole. There's flakes of wood missing everywhere. I've covered the body in duct-tape, and in a few weeks, I'm going to get a new bridge/pickguard/humbucker/output from Guitar Fetish and get it back rocking.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 01 Mar 2008, 09:56
MAI OTHER BABIEZ

LET ME SHOW U THEMS

(http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/std24.jpg)
This is my other main guitar right now, a PRS Standard 24 Anniversary edition. It's all-mahogany with a rosewood fretboard, and has the Standard neck carve (which is like a slightly narrower, slightly faster version of PRS' wide-fat carve). The all-mahogany body and passive pickups make it darker sounding than my other guitars, but it's great for multitracking, and the bridge pickup has probably the best solo tone of any instrument I've ever owned (with one possible exception below). Also it has fancy bird inlays which match my tattoos. Yes I am a nerd shut up.

[img width= height=]http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/firebird.jpg[/img]
My Firebird Studio. Doggs it plays so good and sounds so good. It's got Gibson's 490 and 498 neck/bridge pickups, which are my favorite pickups Gibson makes- the 496/500s on Les Paul Classics and Explorers are too shrill for my liking, and the Burstbuckers they're putting on new Les Pauls are too bright. Haven't tried any '57 Classics yet, I hear they're the shit though. This guitar balances a lot better than you'd expect, and the non-banjo-style tuners are WAY better than the standard Firebird's, which will not stay in tune for more than three minutes at a time. Basically this guitar is a weird-looking SG with better balance.

[img width= height=]http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/ibz.jpg[/img]
My Ibanez Prestige 7-string. I had no idea Ibanez made such high-quality stuff nowadays. Construction and playability-wise this $800 guitar equals most guitars twice its price. Too bad the pickups suck ass. I really need to replace them. I'm also considering trading this in for a 6-string Prestige- I like the low B, but I may be too used to 6-strings to really make the most of this instrument.

[img width= height=]http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/mccarty1.jpg[/img]
The jewel of my collection and the one guitar I could see myself hanging on to for the rest of my life. I haven't found another instrument (and I have played hundreds of different guitars, many of them Very Fancy Indeed) that sounds as good or plays as well. Seriously I am sorry, all other guitar players ever, but I have the Best Guitar. The only reason it's not my "main guitar" right now is all the music I've been recording lately has been in drop-C, and the McCarty pickups don't respond that well to anything below drop-D. The higher-output pickups in my Standard 24 and the super-hot EMGs in my ESP handle it much better. The Firebird sounds all right but its truss-rod goes OH NO WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING STOP IT when I tune it down, so I don't.

[img width= height=]http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/mccarty2.jpg[/img]
Here's a close-up of the top. Remember when you could actually find guitars for less than retail price on eBay? Yeah I bought this thing for about $1000 less than it was worth. Score.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ketzer on 01 Mar 2008, 10:04
Jeph that Eclipse in the pics you posted on your blog is fucking sexual.

For those who missed it, Here 'tis (http://qcjeph.livejournal.com/92457.html#cutid1)

Thanks! I like it a LOT. ESP guitars are so good. Everything I like about 90s-era Jacksons (great build quality, excellent pickups, reasonable prices).*

Maybe today I'll take pictures of the rest of my stuff. FOR GLOATING

*GEE THANKS FENDER FOR BUYING JACKSON AND IMMEDIATELY RAISING THEIR PRICES $500 AND ALSO DRIVING THE VALUE OF USED PRE-FENDER JACKSONS WAY WAY WAY UP YOU CUNTS

I know what you're saying about Jackson. A few years back, I Inherited from my uncle his '91 CS KV1. Probably the most beautiful guitar I've ever seen, Satin black with Silver bevels, Kahler trem, and an '59 and JB combo. It was stolen from my house in early '07, and though insurance gave me $2000 for it, I still feel ripped off. I've not played a Post-fender KV2 that sounds ANYWHERE near as nice or plays anywhere near as well.

I bet some druggie pawned it for smack.   :-( :-( :-( :-(


And if you're planning on parting with that 1527 in the future, I'd be glad to take it off your hands. Ibanez stock pickups suck on all models but the sigs D:
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 01 Mar 2008, 10:22
I paid ~$900 for it; I'd be willing to let it go for $700. It's still essentially mint, but I figure I had easily $200 worth of fun playing it. PM me if you're interested and we can work out a deal.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Mar 2008, 10:26
Jeph, if I show up at your door one day to pay homage to your Firebird, don't be scared.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 01 Mar 2008, 10:28
Make sure you show up at my office (where the guitar resides) and not my house, or it'll be awkward.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 01 Mar 2008, 10:38
Righto.


*sigh* Come along, summer, and summer job. I'm looking through the Subway site again, and they've got all these old Fenders (Leads, Mustangs, a Musicmaster or two) for under $600. TEMPTED, MAN.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 01 Mar 2008, 11:31
That's one hell of a collection there, Jeph. Thumbs up!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 01 Mar 2008, 11:56
God that flame maple PRS is gorgeous.

I am hating you more and more every day.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 01 Mar 2008, 18:04
I know, flame maple is absolutely beautiful. I am so glad I don't have a credit card. I would be up to my eyeballs in debt and my credit rating would be almost nonexistent.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 02 Mar 2008, 13:44
Thanks a lot for reminding me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 02 Mar 2008, 14:13
You are welcome. What are friends for, after all?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 02 Mar 2008, 18:56
(http://eastwoodguitars.com/Other/sidejack-baritoneDLX/images/ot_Blk-SJBaritoneDLX.jpg)

WANT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 02 Mar 2008, 20:34
Are all Eastwood guitars made out of plastic, or is that just the pictures?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 02 Mar 2008, 20:48
(http://www.eastwoodguitars.com/Other/mandocaster/images/ot_AntSunb-mando.jpg)

Awesome
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: David_Dovey on 02 Mar 2008, 22:59
What the hell is wrong with you people
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 02 Mar 2008, 23:00
I hereby rename the mandocaster the I am playing this to pretend I don't have anything to compensate for and because I have no style whatsoever mandolin.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 03 Mar 2008, 00:41
I dunno, I'd buy the mandocaster just because its an electric mandolin. I would rock out so hard on that.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Mar 2008, 04:57
I can't do a massive Jeph-like post because I only have one working electric..BUT I SEE YOUR FIREBIRD AND RAISE YOU MINE.

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/captain_applesauce/030108_15241.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Mar 2008, 07:50
Nice.

Guys, I want a cello.  I played one last night.  It was lots of fun, and it was slightly easier than I thought it would be.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 03 Mar 2008, 08:05
Are all Eastwood guitars made out of plastic, or is that just the pictures?
Actually I believe they are wooden replicas, many of which were 'plastic' as you say. But I do not believe that any Eastwoods currently are made from anything but wood, and well you know the other stuff that they make guitar parts outa.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 03 Mar 2008, 12:04
I can't do a massive Jeph-like post because I only have one working electric..BUT I SEE YOUR FIREBIRD AND RAISE YOU MINE.

{AMAZING FIREBIRD}

GAH I WANT I WANT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Bearer on 03 Mar 2008, 14:32
Speaking of Mandolins and firebirds...

(http://www.samash.com/images/items/lg_EFM8VSCH1.jpg)
I present, the Mandobird

I honestly don't know if I should want one or not
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Mar 2008, 15:06
GAH I WANT I WANT

It's pretty, but it's by no means amazing. I need to replace both tone pots, they're a little scratchy. And the humbuckers aren't really..hum..bucking? They're kinda noisy. I guess that's what you get out of a mid-90s Epiphone.

(also, though it has the look of the regular neck-through IIIs, it's a bolt-on.)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 03 Mar 2008, 16:24
That Firebird makes me want to get one. A Gibson though, with the neck-thru.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 03 Mar 2008, 16:51
I'd love to have a Studio like Jeph's. That's a set-neck, right?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 03 Mar 2008, 18:00
What the hell is wrong with you people

I bet they think Musicmans are attractive too. Those bastards.

Guys, I want a cello.  I played one last night.  It was lots of fun, and it was slightly easier than I thought it would be.

DO EET!

I've been wanting a cello for about six months now. Cellos are the best instruments ever. They sound (http://so good) aslkdkfj;lksadjf;
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 10:04
In my experience the mini-humbuckers on Firebirds and Les Paul Deluxes are just noisier than full-size HBs. Dunno why.

Firebird Studios are indeed set-necks.

I think instead of my 7-string I would be better off with one of these:

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/6/6/6/457666.jpg)

(guys i have a problem)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2008, 10:10
Yeah someone forgot to put more pickups on it.

It's like a Delonge Strat with a Floyd, dawg!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 04 Mar 2008, 10:42
I'd go for that. Single pickup guitars are a huge personal fetish of mine..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 10:53
Yeah someone forgot to put more pickups on it.

It's like a Delonge Strat with a Floyd, dawg!

Dogg have you ever heard of a dude called Eddie Van Halen
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2008, 11:00
Ugly-ass motherfucker.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 11:04
(http://eppsnet.com/images/capt.ny10703090648.people_van_halen_ny107.jpg)
I'D HIT IT

Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2008, 11:08
He looks like he should be homeless, or something.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 11:14
He looks much better now that he's out of rehab

(and taken a shower)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2008, 11:18
You can go to rehab for ugly?

*cough* BACK ON TRACK. Here's the Squier Bullet, in "still needs electronics and a bridge" stage.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/captain_applesauce/030108_16031.jpg)



(can you dudes tell I like the Murphys?)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 11:20
I do not believe the Dropkick Murphys are an actual band. I believe they are simply a series of stickers and t-shirts and other merchandise.

JUST LIKE MY COMIC HUR HUR HUR
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 04 Mar 2008, 11:23
I have 8 tickets for their shows on March 15th in my bag, and you wait until NOW to tell me they're not a real band?


I also have this weird-assed thing (and an ugly chair). I got it for free from my dad's girlfriend's brother. No signs of manufacturer, only "MADE IN JAPAN" stamped on the neckplate. The neck's warped beyond repair.

(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/captain_applesauce/102607_19331.jpg)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 04 Mar 2008, 11:59
That's too bad.  It looks amazingly weird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 04 Mar 2008, 12:22
yweah, i'd even suggest getting another neck for it
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 04 Mar 2008, 12:34
Yeah someone forgot to put more pickups on it.

It's like a Delonge Strat with a Floyd, dawg!

Dogg have you ever heard of a dude called Eddie Van Halen
AMP! (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,18921.msg617848.html#msg617848)
Apparently we have similar thoughts on control knobs. Although I can't really claim that as my gtr has 5 of them now. But srsly, I would be fine if they set the tone in the middle and turned it all the way up + skipped putting any switches or anything on my next axe.
One p/up would be fine if it were a good'un.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 12:51
Personally I never use the tone knobs on any of my guitars, but I will readily admit that a bridge humbucker with the tone rolled all the way off is one of the best solo tones ever. It's great for weird, druggy sounding solos a la Spiritualized, Dungen, or Clapton.

IIRC, that mystery guitar is a Teisco. Although the strat-shaped headstock makes me think that the neck isn't stock.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 04 Mar 2008, 12:53
PS holy shit Lummer did you really get your hands on a Les Paul Custom????
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 04 Mar 2008, 13:27
PS holy shit Lummer did you really get your hands on a Les Paul Custom????

Yes, and no, kinda.

It's a Greco. A Japanese knockoff from the late 80s.

I traded my SG Special in for it with a friend. My friend had bought it, but found the weight to be too much (he's a real tiny guy, Angus Young-size), so we made this deal.
In terms of second-hand-market price levels, it broke perfectly even.

I think it was a really good deal! I liked my SG, but a Les Paul just fits me better, honestly.

The Greco feels a little more "brutish" than my Les Paul Standard, but I actually really like that. It plays incredibly well, and sounds as good as the real thing at least to my ears. I'm really happy with it! :)

I still need a new 7-string though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 04 Mar 2008, 15:12
Personally I never use the tone knobs on any of my guitars, but I will readily admit that a bridge humbucker with the tone rolled all the way off is one of the best solo tones ever. It's great for weird, druggy sounding solos a la Spiritualized, Dungen, or Clapton.

IIRC, that mystery guitar is a Teisco. Although the strat-shaped headstock makes me think that the neck isn't stock.

Some Teiscos had Strat rip-off headstocks.  There are a couple ridiculous ones at my local music store.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Mar 2008, 03:31
I traded my SG Special in for it with a friend.

We're not friends anymore.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 05 Mar 2008, 03:35
I traded my SG Special in for it with a friend.

We're not friends anymore.

Well, I have two awesome Les Pauls now, so *facepalm*..
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Mar 2008, 05:08
IIRC, that mystery guitar is a Teisco.

Thanks Jeph! I couldn't figure it out to save my life. ('Milio, I wanted to put the neck from the Squier on it, but the mounting holes don't line up.)

godinpants, Epis are usually hit-or-miss. There's some really nice ones, and some really sub-par ones. Try before you buy, dude.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Mar 2008, 06:22
(Though i would most probably avoid a gold one)

Why? That thing is AWESOME looking.

Also yeah I've had that same experience. Played an Epi Les Paul that was meh. Played an Epi SG (back before I even liked SGs) and it could easily have been one of the nicest guitars ever made.

It was nothing compared to my Gibson SG, but seriously? That was a damn fine guitar and was better than anything I'd ever owned at that point in time.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 05 Mar 2008, 06:56
Thanks Jeph! I couldn't figure it out to save my life. ('Milio, I wanted to put the neck from the Squier on it, but the mounting holes don't line up.)

Is it three to four bolt? That's doable, just fill the existing screw holes with dowels lightly covered in plastic wood filler, wait 24 hours, and go for it.

I've even seen four to three work, if you don't mind the tapestry-like mess in the back of the neck (which I think just looks cool).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Mar 2008, 07:07
godinpants, Epis are usually hit-or-miss. There's some really nice ones, and some really sub-par ones. Try before you buy, dude.
I concur. Last one I had, I had to send back and I found out afterwards the entire line had the same flaw. They oem shit all over the globe. QC is very hit/miss. I would likely never buy one online. I think all the Epi LP's I've played were crap. But I've seen several Dots that were keepers.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 05 Mar 2008, 07:14
QC is very hit/miss.

GODDAMNIT I AM DOING THE BEST I CAN
 :x :oops: :x :oops: :x :oops:


Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 05 Mar 2008, 07:24
I just killed Patrick by showing him pictures off Sonic Youth's guitar archive

(http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/gtr66h.jpg)http://
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Mar 2008, 07:24
QC is very hit/miss.

GODDAMNIT I AM DOING THE BEST I CAN
 :x :oops: :x :oops: :x :oops:
hahahahah fucking hahahahaha I didn't even think about that (obviously)...
{ahem} yeah well tighten up there.  :roll:


Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Mar 2008, 08:05
THIS is the one Emilio sent me that broke me:

(http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/eq/gtr75j.jpg)

tl;dr I FUCKING HATE SONIC YOUTH
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 05 Mar 2008, 08:14
they lost a bunch of guitars in the 90's to a van theft.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Mar 2008, 09:45
They didn't deserve the damn things if that's how they're treating them. You don't fucking do that to a vintage instrument no matter who you are.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Mar 2008, 11:17
Is it three to four bolt?

They're both four bolt, but the holes aren't in the same spots, and I don't want to drill more holes into the Squier's neck (especially when I'm going to get the Bullet back on its feet). I know Stew-Mac sells Strat necks that aren't drilled, maybe I'll get one of those for the Teisco.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 05 Mar 2008, 11:53
They didn't deserve the damn things if that's how they're treating them. You don't fucking do that to a vintage instrument no matter who you are.


I disagree, vintage or not, a guitar's only purpose is to make awesome sounds, and Sonic Youth did that in spades. Now, people who have vintage instruments and don't play them? That's something that infuriates me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 05 Mar 2008, 12:29
You can't make awesome sounds if the guitar is completely impossible to play due to the fact that you've destroyed it like a damn filthy ape. The fact that it's a vintage instrument that can never be replaced is just OFFENSIVE.

And if anybody wants to play the "but it doesn't personally affect you" card, have at it. It DOES affect me, because vintage Jazzmasters or Jags are damn expensive and I really don't feel like buying a reissue.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 Mar 2008, 12:42
I, personally, think that Jazzmaster looks awesome.  Especially the "I threw up." sticker.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 05 Mar 2008, 13:30
Guitar Update:

A week ago on Sunday, I woke up to find my parents loading my guitars and keyboard into the elevator and taking them away from me.

Apparently, this "rock and roll addiction" is messing with my future.

Fuck.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 Mar 2008, 14:17
Perhaps this "rock and roll addiction" is your future?  You are quite a talented individual, in my opinion.

I would not be happy with my parents if they took my guitars and shit away, to say the very least.  I would probably disown them both, move away, and keep communication to a very minimum, after getting my stuff back.  At least, that's what I'd want to do.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 05 Mar 2008, 15:25
I would also rock that Jazzmaster. It looks great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 05 Mar 2008, 15:44
I think I'm going to make myself a shirt with that sticker on it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 05 Mar 2008, 19:36
And if anybody wants to play the "but it doesn't personally affect you" card, have at it. It DOES affect me, because vintage Jazzmasters or Jags are damn expensive and I really don't feel like buying a reissue.

The reissues are just as good instruments. Jags are still cheap, you can still pick a pre-CBS refin up for under 2k.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 05 Mar 2008, 19:52
I almost cried when I saw one of Pete Townshend's busted Les Pauls in Hard Rock when I was in Orlando.

How low can you tune a SG and have it still pick up well? I know a band with guitarists that use SGs has played a B-tuned song, but I don't know if they use SGs for those. I seriously doubt I would downtune that low except for covers though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 05 Mar 2008, 21:58
You can't make awesome sounds if the guitar is completely impossible to play due to the fact that you've destroyed it like a damn filthy ape.


Beg to differ


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Evol.gif)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Confispk.gif)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Sonic_youth_sister.jpg)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/SonicYouthDaydreamNationalbumcover.jpg)

Quote
And if anybody wants to play the "but it doesn't personally affect you" card, have at it. It DOES affect me, because vintage Jazzmasters or Jags are damn expensive and I really don't feel like buying a reissue.


See, they didn't buy a ton of "vintage jags", they bought old, unused, unwanted guitars that had been lying in basements or garages for ages and they used them to rock the fuck out. A guitar is just a tool, sure, some are pretty tools, but no more.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 05 Mar 2008, 22:54
Perhaps this "rock and roll addiction" is your future?  You are quite a talented individual, in my opinion.

I would not be happy with my parents if they took my guitars and shit away, to say the very least.  I would probably disown them both, move away, and keep communication to a very minimum, after getting my stuff back.  At least, that's what I'd want to do.

Thanks, man.

That's what I FEEL like doing.  Gawd.

And guys, Sonic Youth's guitars are amazing.  I'm really jealous that people didn't want Jaguars and Jazzmasters back then.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 05 Mar 2008, 23:26
Perhaps this "rock and roll addiction" is your future?  You are quite a talented individual, in my opinion.

I would not be happy with my parents if they took my guitars and shit away, to say the very least.  I would probably disown them both, move away, and keep communication to a very minimum, after getting my stuff back.  At least, that's what I'd want to do.

Thanks, man.

That's what I FEEL like doing.  Gawd.

And guys, Sonic Youth's guitars are amazing.  I'm really jealous that people didn't want Jaguars and Jazzmasters back then.
Who wants one these days? 

Worst shape to flip over ever.  I'd rather play an upside down Epi Paul.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 05 Mar 2008, 23:52
Why do you want to flip it over?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: VanHorneDog on 06 Mar 2008, 01:42
Jaguars and Jazzmasters are uber sexy. like uber. you will not find a sexier guitar. i dont care.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 06 Mar 2008, 01:57
Why do you want to flip it over?

yeah, what do you mean dawg?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 06 Mar 2008, 02:10
Probably plays left handed.

Also, you know what would look cool flipped? An explorer.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 06 Mar 2008, 02:25
I am left handed, but I play right-handed, I don't understand why you would want to play lefty as a lefty, maybe as a righty. Your stronger hand is doing the chords that way.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Mar 2008, 03:49
tl:dr I think we're saying sack up, Patrick.  :-P
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2008, 05:11
And guys, Sonic Youth's guitars are amazing.  I'm really jealous that people didn't want Jaguars and Jazzmasters back then.
Who wants one these days?

Jaguars and Jazzmasters are uber sexy. like uber. you will not find a sexier guitar. i dont care.

THIS

Also I will not sack up until I've ensured the safety of every Jazz and Jag made 1964 or earlier.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Mar 2008, 05:52
Fine, but we'll keep thrashing the '65+ ones.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2008, 05:58
Go for it, just as long as you leave the Strats alone. I want a period-correct '69 Strat. After 1970, though, I don't care.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Mar 2008, 05:59
Man, yeah. Rosewood fretboard Strats + ginormous headstock = win.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2008, 06:02
I was thinking more along the lines of Olympic white + maple + huge headstock, but that's probably because I am a Hendrix-idolizing slut.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Mar 2008, 06:47
He rocked black/rosewood for a while, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 06 Mar 2008, 07:06
...because I am a Hendrix-idolizing slut.
and he also ruined a few good guitars...double standard?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2008, 08:16
They were still in production then and weren't vintage.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WUT
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 06 Mar 2008, 09:50
No shit, the solid-body electric wasn't even 20 years old at that point.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 06 Mar 2008, 09:51
They were still in production then and weren't vintage.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WUT

Well as I am just sort of being the devil's advocate, I am not so sure that was a concern of Jimi's while he was having at them. But maybe so. I do not suggest that smashing, burning etc... guitars is a good thing.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Thrillho on 06 Mar 2008, 11:55
Guitar Update:

A week ago on Sunday, I woke up to find my parents loading my guitars and keyboard into the elevator and taking them away from me.

Apparently, this "rock and roll addiction" is messing with my future.

Fuck.

Please tell me this is a joke. Even with my own parents, I'm not sure I could contain the sheer anger I would feel at this. Even if they gave me the money from selling the equipment off I'd just go and buy more damn equipment.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 06 Mar 2008, 11:57
They were still in production then and weren't vintage.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WUT
But they would be now. If he hadn't destroyed them, they would be very rare and worth a lot of money.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2008, 12:10
I don't see your point.

A week ago on Sunday, I woke up to find my parents loading my guitars and keyboard into the elevator and taking them away from me.

Apparently, this "rock and roll addiction" is messing with my future.

I SO fucking have dibs on that Jag.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 06 Mar 2008, 12:41
While rewiring a couple instruments, my mind drifted to someone wanting to shell out a million bucks for some "Kurt Cobain Jag Switchplate".

Being both busy *and* lazy, I am neglecting rereading 30 pages of this thread, so, if that dude still wants that, lemme just say, don't they have machine shops where you live?  You can probably get that thing fabbed for five, maybe ten bucks.  It's just a couple of holes in a hexagon.

Also, since I'm scalping a Duncan out of a free Strat I got a while back, I want to leave in 1 normal and 1 RWRP, right?  tia
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: PECOAE on 06 Mar 2008, 14:59
I don't see your point.

A week ago on Sunday, I woke up to find my parents loading my guitars and keyboard into the elevator and taking them away from me.

Apparently, this "rock and roll addiction" is messing with my future.

I SO fucking have dibs on that Jag.

They'd probably sell it to you, too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 06 Mar 2008, 16:15
I am buying this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?sku=480510) soon.  I'm trading in my Fender FM 212 DSP (solid state) for this one.  I am so freaking stoked.  I've played the Deluxe at the store I'm doing the transaction in, and it sounds so good.  The clean tones are nice and warm, and the distortion on the more drive channel sounds warm, thick and creamy.  Yumm...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 06 Mar 2008, 17:05
I am left handed, but I play right-handed, I don't understand why you would want to play lefty as a lefty, maybe as a righty. Your stronger hand is doing the chords that way.
That was Billy Corgan's rationale: he's lefty, but plays "righty" so that his dominant hand is doing the complicated stuff while his right hand strums and picks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 06 Mar 2008, 17:22
I am buying this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?sku=480510) soon.  I'm trading in my Fender FM 212 DSP (solid state) for this one.  I am so freaking stoked.  I've played the Deluxe at the store I'm doing the transaction in, and it sounds so good.  The clean tones are nice and warm, and the distortion on the more drive channel sounds warm, thick and creamy.  Yumm...

Very good choice sir.

I do love my Traynor soild state though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 06 Mar 2008, 18:39
I don't see your point.
At the time, the guitars may not have been vintage, but now they would be. If they hadn't been destroyed, they would be valuable vintage high-quality guitars. Where do you not see my point?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 06 Mar 2008, 22:27
I'm also a lefty who plays right-handed.

I believe the reason the strumming/picking hand is considered dominant is because originally, with classical string instruments, the bowing (the difficult part) was done using that hand. Fretting isn't as complicated on a violin or cello as on a guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 06 Mar 2008, 23:25
At the time, the guitars may not have been vintage, but now they would be. If they hadn't been destroyed, they would be valuable vintage high-quality guitars. Where do you not see my point?

At the time there was nothing stopping Fender from building more of the things, as it was their mainstay production guitar at the time (and, well, it still is).

Also, do you think Strats would be as popular as they are if not for Hendrix? He wasn't the first one to play one, but he sure as hell boosted that sucker's sales from that point onward.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 06 Mar 2008, 23:42
The world would be such a different place if Hendrix had played a tele. Instead of superstrats, we'd probably have superteles.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Mar 2008, 00:14
? (http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2003/jul30a.html)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 07 Mar 2008, 04:42
I'm also a lefty who plays right-handed.
Me too. But I did it bc I started on 5 string banjo. Damn glad I did though. My gf is a lefty bassist that plays righty too.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 07 Mar 2008, 05:02
I am buying this (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-Amp?sku=480510) soon.  I'm trading in my Fender FM 212 DSP (solid state) for this one.  I am so freaking stoked.  I've played the Deluxe at the store I'm doing the transaction in, and it sounds so good.  The clean tones are nice and warm, and the distortion on the more drive channel sounds warm, thick and creamy.  Yumm...

God yes, I need a Hot Rod Deluxe.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Mar 2008, 08:49
I play with both hands.  I'm mostly righthanded, and that's how I started, but when I got my classical guitar, it was too deep for me to fret it, so I said, well, shit, I guess I'll have to turn it over and learn to play lefthanded.  Which I did, and now it's so funny because I have 2 totally different styles.

Also, Hendrix was mostly righthanded (writing, eating, and stuff) but preferred playing lefthanded. 
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 07 Mar 2008, 15:24
Too deep to fret?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 07 Mar 2008, 16:00
Strings up too high? I had that problem to start with, but I just had wimpy hand strength and was playing a crappy acoustic that probably hadn't been set up right.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 07 Mar 2008, 16:37
I have often wondered what it would be like to be able to flip my guitar over mid-song and just be like "OH HELLO GUYS I CAN DO THIS LEFTY -AND- STRUNG UPSIDE-DOWN" every once in a blue moon.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Noff on 07 Mar 2008, 17:23
Bonus points if you play misirlou when you do it.

I tried that once, I swear it is easier to do it Dick Dale style with your hand over the top (er um bottom?  the side of the neck with the high E).

And on a completely random note, why are there so many female bass players?  I have gigantic monkey hands and I pick up a bass and some of the stretches still seem huge.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 07 Mar 2008, 17:28
I can't answer that question without sounding like a sexist asshole.  So, I don't know.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: FireAarro on 07 Mar 2008, 17:32
Bonus points if you play misirlou when you do it.

I tried that once, I swear it is easier to do it Dick Dale stop with your hand over the top (er um bottom?  the side of the neck with the high E).

And on a completely random note, why are there so many female bass players?  I have gigantic monkey hands and I pick up a bass and some of the stretches still seem huge.

Four fingers for three frets when you're near the nut.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Mar 2008, 19:38
Too deep to fret?
The body of the guitar was too deep, about 4", and it's a classical, so the joint's at the 12th.  The deep body and short neck kept me from holding the instrument as I usually do when playing righthanded (dragging the floor), so I started playing lefthanded, holding the thing up like Ray Davies.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Mar 2008, 19:39
I have often wondered what it would be like to be able to flip my guitar over mid-song and just be like "OH HELLO GUYS I CAN DO THIS LEFTY -AND- STRUNG UPSIDE-DOWN" every once in a blue moon.
It'd choke you if you left the strap on!


<___<
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 07 Mar 2008, 19:43
At the time, the guitars may not have been vintage, but now they would be. If they hadn't been destroyed, they would be valuable vintage high-quality guitars. Where do you not see my point?

At the time there was nothing stopping Fender from building more of the things, as it was their mainstay production guitar at the time (and, well, it still is).

Also, do you think Strats would be as popular as they are if not for Hendrix? He wasn't the first one to play one, but he sure as hell boosted that sucker's sales from that point onward.
Just caught this. Did they really check to make sure they had a certain amount of guitars of a year out at the end of a year? I would think they just kept cranking them out. They wouldn't be as well-known without Hendrix, but as you said, it was their mainstay already. And he didn't have to destroy them afterwards.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 07 Mar 2008, 19:45
Strats were p damn popular before Hendrix.  Ain't y'all heard of Hank Marvin, Buddy Holly, Dick Dale, to name a few?
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Post by: Spluff on 07 Mar 2008, 21:45
The Strat got used one in a while, but it was hardly popular. None of those people popularized it anywhere near the amount Hendrix did.
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Post by: FireAarro on 07 Mar 2008, 22:01
Strats were p damn popular before Hendrix.  Ain't y'all heard of Hank Marvin, Buddy Holly, Dick Dale, to name a few?

All 50s... in the 60s, less of the stars used Fenders. Lots of Gibson, Rickenbacker, etc.
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Post by: valley_parade on 08 Mar 2008, 07:16
Dear Gibson,

what (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Reverse-Explorer-Electric-Guitar-Antique-Walnut?sku=516473) the fuck (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-The-Holy-V-Electric-Guitar-Worn-Cherry?sku=516477).


Truly,
Shane



(actually, the reverse Explorer is growing on me, in a non-reverse Firebird kinda way)
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Post by: greenMonkey on 08 Mar 2008, 08:22
My god, that's weird.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: imapiratearg on 08 Mar 2008, 09:33
That Holy V is actually pretty cool.  That Explorer on the other hand...
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Post by: jeph on 08 Mar 2008, 10:15
I really like the Reverse Explorer except for the fucking awful headstock.

The Holy V is just odd.

Those tuners look interesting.
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Post by: valley_parade on 08 Mar 2008, 10:16
Things Gibson has done to the flying V that they really shouldn't have:

1. Reversed it
2. Cut holes in it?!

I can't even imagine the design meetings. "Well, we could cut some holes in it." "What the fuck purpose would that serve?"


(speaking of reverse, I'm pretty sure the headstock on the Explorer is just a reversed Moderne headstock..)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 08 Mar 2008, 10:18
(speaking of reverse, I'm pretty sure the headstock on the Explorer is just a reversed Moderne headstock..)
They must have thought it looked monkey enough without the banana
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Post by: jeph on 08 Mar 2008, 10:22
oh god the beveled edges on the anniversary Explorer and Flying V

oh god so ugly

so ugly
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Post by: Noff on 08 Mar 2008, 10:37
Anybody see these (http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/progressive/prails_shpr1/) yet?  Humbucker made of a p90 and a single coil, that you can split into both.  Take a look at the video.
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Post by: Patrick on 08 Mar 2008, 12:00
Dear Gibson,

what (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Reverse-Explorer-Electric-Guitar-Antique-Walnut?sku=516473) the fuck (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-The-Holy-V-Electric-Guitar-Worn-Cherry?sku=516477).


Truly,
Shane

DO NOT WANT

Regarding the P-90 + rail pickup, that looks kindof interesting. I mean, I'd never try it, I don't really care enough about it to buy it, but that is pretty cool-looking.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 08 Mar 2008, 13:27
Guys

I just bought a $3000 Les Paul for $900.

Pics and backstory forthcoming.
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Post by: sean on 08 Mar 2008, 13:35
FIGHT YOU MR. JACQUES!

Also, how the hell do tune that Reverse Flying V? The tuning pegs on that thing are basically non-existent.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 08 Mar 2008, 13:50
I AM HATING YOU MORE AND MORE EACH DAY, JEPH
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Post by: godinpants on 08 Mar 2008, 15:12
[reverse explorer]

I actually quite like the reverse explorer. I highly doubt my chances of actually owning one, but if i somehow fulfilled some of my already existing GAS and had money left over, I'd buy one.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 08 Mar 2008, 18:46
If you got a new headstock for the explorer, that would be damn hot.

Also, fuck you, Jeph, sir.
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Post by: David_Dovey on 08 Mar 2008, 19:10
Why is nobody complaining about the silly lightning bolt pickguard on the the Reverse Explorer? If you replaced the headstock and pulled that damn pickguard off, then you would have a very nice guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Noff on 08 Mar 2008, 19:52
Bah, who cares about stupid fugly backwards gimmick guitars.  Talk about those Seymour Duncans I linked to.  And Jeph's Les Paul.

Damnit Jeph talk about your Les Paul!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Christophe on 08 Mar 2008, 20:07
WELL GEE FINE I'LL TALK ABOUT YOUR FREAKIN' p-90/SINGLE COIL SPLIT PICKUP GAWSH

Seriously though, I would love to have one of those on my guitar, but I wish the dude wasn't playing nothing but blues licks in the demo video, and I'm not sure how I'm going to A- wire it to my Fender Lead II guitar (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/TehLetterM/P2213197.jpg), or B- get a Fender Lead series pickup that accommodates a hum/single combination. I'm sure pickguards.com can accommodate me, but I'm not sure if I can simply ask them to combine a Lead I and Lead II pickguard together.

Oh, and I have no disposable income since I go to college right now and can't find a job for the life of me.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 08 Mar 2008, 23:01
Those do look pretty fun, although I'm not a huge fan of Seymour. I'm just trying to think how I'd wire them into one of mine; I'd want the rail option, so push-pulls wouldn't work, as it looks like that'd only turn the rail on and off. Seems like you'd need three three-way switches, and you'd get 15 potential combinations?
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Post by: MadassAlex on 09 Mar 2008, 03:42
GUYS I AM GOING TO BUY A GUITAR SOON

I am tossing up between a 7 string Ibanez (7321) and a Gibson SG Special Faded.

I am learning quite a bit towards the SG, but both feel and sound great.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 04:42
Get the SG. The looks and playability of a Gibson, the price of a Fender, a lifetime warranty, and HOLY SHIT IT'S A GIBSON FOR LIKE $570 OH MY GOD YOU'D BE AN IDIOT NOT TO DO IT
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Post by: jeph on 09 Mar 2008, 05:46
sg sg sg sg


(LP pixxx coming soon hahahahah)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 05:58
As far as the internet is concerned, you don't own a Les Paul, because you haven't posted pics. Pics or it didn't happen, old man.
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Post by: MadassAlex on 09 Mar 2008, 07:00
Yeah dudes I think I'm gonna spill the dough on that SG, it is one fine-ass axe.

I mean fuck yeah SG.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 07:31

I just bought a $3000 Les Paul for $900.

Guys, I'm within an hour of the honorable Mr. Jacques. Meet at my house, and we'll steal it!
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Mar 2008, 09:18
oh snappp

(http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/lp.jpg)

It's a 2005 Les Paul Standard Premium Plus. Super-fancy top, really nice pickups. It sounds like God. Got a few dings here and there, but whatever. Les Pauls look cooler that way anyway.

Basically a local music shop is closing in a couple weeks, so the dude was doing hella closeout deals on all his used instruments. I had about $600 in trade-in credit from a guitar I had sold a long time ago, and I saw this LP on his wall. He was like "the price tag says $1800 but I could go as low as $1500."

So $1500 - $600 = $900. I got a $3000 guitar for (basically) $900.

FUCKING SCORE.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 09:30
Snap indeed, man.

How's it sound?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: jeph on 09 Mar 2008, 09:32
like god
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 09:33
Non-existant and worshipped by millions of idiots?


Man, I need one of those.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 10:59
Shane, if you want a non-existant guitar, I'll be happy to convert all of your instruments.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 11:00
Also:

Jeph,
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Lummer on 09 Mar 2008, 11:03
Aah, yes. A Les Paul is a great thing to own..

Congrats Jeph!
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Post by: doombilly on 09 Mar 2008, 11:04
Bonus points if you play misirlou when you do it.

I tried that once, I swear it is easier to do it Dick Dale stop with your hand over the top (er um bottom?  the side of the neck with the high E).

And on a completely random note, why are there so many female bass players?  I have gigantic monkey hands and I pick up a bass and some of the stretches still seem huge.

Four fingers for three frets when you're near the nut.
Wrong. More like your monkey hands can't make the stretch. Limber up. Ican't do it that well. That's why Ihave a girl play the bass.  :P
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 11:22
Shane, if you want a non-existant guitar, I'll be happy to convert all of your instruments.

I THINK NOT.
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 11:27
That's why Ihave a girl play the bass.  :P

Female bass players are the sexiest thing known to man. Second in the running is boyshorts and a close third is girl-ninjas.

Also Shane don't be a pussy I promise I won't damage anything. Just steal it. COME ON BUDDY
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 11:33
My guitars.

YOU DON'T TOUCHING THEM.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 11:42
I'll use a robotic arm if I have to.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 12:01
No, seriously. I've only let one person ever play one of my guitars. And the only reason was that I was really into her.

I hate to break it to you, Patrick, but I don't love you in that way.
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Post by: valley_parade on 09 Mar 2008, 12:09
Oooh, new LTD Eclipses. Distressed, at that!

(http://espguitars.com/images/news/ec-256.jpg)
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Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Mar 2008, 14:29
@Jeph: With all due respect, Fuck You!

@Pat: I think that I have to replace girl ninjas with girls in combat boots, sorry. For the good of humanity and whatnot.

What the hell is the idea behind distressed guitars? Same with distressed jeans, or distressed anything. So I could buy something, have it for a couple years, and then sell it as "distressed" for no loss?
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Post by: Beastmouth on 09 Mar 2008, 15:56
@Jeph: With all due respect, Fuck You!

@Pat: I think that I have to replace girl ninjas with girls in combat boots, sorry. For the good of humanity and whatnot.

What the hell is the idea behind distressed guitars? Same with distressed jeans, or distressed anything. So I could buy something, have it for a couple years, and then sell it as "distressed" for no loss?
The way I understand it, it's for people who'd rather try to look cool and not worry about breaking anything than actually, you know, take any risks.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 09 Mar 2008, 15:57
I don't understand the ideas behind 'relic'-ing guitars.  I would rather rock out hard enough that my guitar got beat up than beat my guitar up and pretend its vintage.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Mar 2008, 16:00
Are the distressed ones more durable? Otherwise you are still going to get it beaten up eventually, getting stuff with fake damage just seems stupid.
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 16:45
What the hell is the idea behind distressed guitars? Same with distressed jeans, or distressed anything. So I could buy something, have it for a couple years, and then sell it as "distressed" for no loss?

I prefer to distress my own jeans, it's so much more authentic when it's your own natural wear patterns. Guitars are no different. It's far superior to have your own actual finger-grime on the fretboard than to have finger-grime simulator.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Mar 2008, 16:47
Yeah, I agree. Though I only have finger-grime on the fingerboard because I always forget to clean it off while I change strings, because I am usually in a hurry to get back to playing.
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 17:01
in b4 Blackie
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: MadassAlex on 09 Mar 2008, 17:07
Is it okay to use saliva to clean fretboard grime?
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Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Mar 2008, 17:10
Sure, why not.

Blackie? What is that? Is it worse than Mike Campbell's Broadcaster?
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Post by: Patrick on 09 Mar 2008, 17:18
You know that black Stratocaster with the maple fretboard that Clapton used a lot? The really old, really pretty one? The one that was made with parts from three different Strats?

Yeah that one.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 09 Mar 2008, 17:27
No, actually, I don't. Sorry.
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Post by: Noff on 09 Mar 2008, 19:46
Blackie isn't really that beat up, just a lot of fretboard wear and some hellacious buckle burn. 

I dislike relics, and I don't really like signatures either (some are ok...).  this one (http://www.fender.com/joestrummer/) just pisses me off though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 09 Mar 2008, 22:24
You know that black Stratocaster with the maple fretboard that Clapton used a lot? The really old, really pretty one? The one that was made with parts from three different Strats?

Yeah that one.
As a matter of fact, that quickly-visible wear is supposedly why Clapton prefers maple fretboards. 

About as good a reason as Les Paul saying ebony makes yr fingers 'look fast', I guess.
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Post by: Patrick on 10 Mar 2008, 03:32
Wasn't aware of that, but that's exactly why I want an Olympic white Strat with a maple fretboard. The nitrocellulose finish will yellow with age, that maple will show your fretboard wear beautifully, and it's just a damn classy combination of colors and looks good with just about anything.
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Post by: Lummer on 10 Mar 2008, 04:24
Wasn't aware of that, but that's exactly why I want an Olympic white Strat with a maple fretboard. The nitrocellulose finish will yellow with age, that maple will show your fretboard wear beautifully, and it's just a damn classy combination of colors and looks good with just about anything.

(http://www.namm.org/wannaplay/images/yngwie_malmsteen01.jpg)
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Post by: FireAarro on 10 Mar 2008, 04:45
On one hand, he probably doesn't touch the fretboard much due to the scallops, but he probably drips enough grease and sweat onto it to age it faster than anyone.
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Post by: valley_parade on 10 Mar 2008, 05:00
Clapton's black Strat.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Mar 2008, 05:00
Lummer I hate you. There is nobody on this earth I would be happier to see get punched in the face than Yngwie Fucking Malmsteen.
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Post by: doombilly on 10 Mar 2008, 06:52
I don't understand the ideas behind 'relic'-ing guitars.  I would rather rock out hard enough that my guitar got beat up than beat my guitar up and pretend its vintage.
Agreed. Totally retarded concept. When I see some kid with one of those, I want to distress them with my Dr Martens.

And:

[img width= height=]http://lh5.google.com/illicitizen/R9SIXnrWr-I/AAAAAAAAA5w/q1dypBLZELY/s400/IMG_0246.JPG[/img]
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Post by: Thrillho on 10 Mar 2008, 10:56
I don't understand the ideas behind 'relic'-ing guitars.  I would rather rock out hard enough that my guitar got beat up than beat my guitar up and pretend its vintage.
Agreed. Totally retarded concept.

YES! THANKYOU!

I entirely agree. 'Antiquing' is such a bullshit concept. 'Let's make this guitar look older than it is and pretend that it means something to me.'

My '72 Custom is pristine, and I like that it is.

My Encore has bashes all over it, but I know that they all were, and they are my bashes, they're real.
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Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Mar 2008, 13:58
Lummer I hate you. There is nobody on this earth I would be happier to see get punched in the face than Yngwie Fucking Malmsteen.
Nobody? You sure about that? I am sure there has to be someone.

I honestly don't like the light-colored guitars, not even the white with gold furniture, which looks good, but not when someone is actually using it. Maybe it just has to be certain clothing that goes good with it.
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Post by: Patrick on 10 Mar 2008, 16:06
Maybe Putin and/or Hillary, but my distaste for them is way more fleeting than my hatred of Yngwie Fucking Malmsteen.

White + gold just looks bad altogether, if you ask me. Especially if the white has yellowed like it always will on a nitrocellulose-finish guitar.
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Post by: Beastmouth on 10 Mar 2008, 16:20
Gold hardware is easily the tackiest thing imaginable this side of a drunken Ibanez/BC Rich hookup
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Post by: valley_parade on 10 Mar 2008, 16:23
I never wanted to picture that.

The imaginary pointyness of that guitar just cut my legs off.
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Post by: Ballard on 10 Mar 2008, 16:27
Gold hardware is easily the tackiest thing imaginable this side of a drunken Ibanez/BC Rich hookup

(http://img3.musiciansfriend.com/dbase/pics/products/3/5/0/270350.jpg)

The only Strat I have ever found appealing (with a small number of exceptions).
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Beastmouth on 10 Mar 2008, 16:28
I never wanted to picture that.

The imaginary pointyness of that guitar just cut my legs off.
You can't unsee it!  [/Voice of Interest]


Also, yeah, that gold looks pretty obnoxious to me.  Of course, I'll have to get some pics of my strat when I get the neck finished...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Mar 2008, 16:32
I think the gold hardware might look better if it was white, and the gold was just like engraving on the guitar, less is more when it comes to gold.

I dunno about the yellowing, I haven't thought about that, but I don't think yellow and gold would go together so well.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 10 Mar 2008, 16:34
(Deluxe Players' Strat)

Dude Gene you have no idea how much I want one of those things. Seriously? You can use any Strat pickup combination you could ever want. Ever. I would shell out the $600 for it just because it has the ability to provide every sound my Squier makes and then some. I still despise the gold, and I would probably do another paint job a-la my Squier.

This is going to happen after I buy a Sheraton, a Jag, a new computer, a Vox AC-100 + 4x12 cab, etcetera.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: sean on 10 Mar 2008, 17:22
He doesn't play guitar, just buys and sells them for profit

Man that is just not cool. Guitars are expensive enough already, I don't need some dude selling me an overpriced instrument.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: RipTatermen on 10 Mar 2008, 17:49
Yeah, gold hardware's usually pretty tacky, but sometimes it's just right.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v118/turquoisemoleeater/guitars/prince_purple_guitar.jpg)
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Post by: imapiratearg on 10 Mar 2008, 18:15
(Deluxe Players' Strat)

Dude Gene you have no idea how much I want one of those things. Seriously? You can use any Strat pickup combination you could ever want. Ever. I would shell out the $600 for it just because it has the ability to provide every sound my Squier makes and then some. I still despise the gold, and I would probably do another paint job a-la my Squier.

This is going to happen after I buy a Sheraton, a Jag, a new computer, a Vox AC-100 + 4x12 cab, etcetera.

Why would you ruin that finish??  That is a beautiful instrument, except for the gross gold hardware.  I do agree it works on some guitars, though.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Mar 2008, 19:49
Yeah, gold hardware's usually pretty tacky, but sometimes it's just right.

(http://Prince)
Sometimes it is just the right amount of tacky, you mean?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: greenMonkey on 10 Mar 2008, 19:55
Who had the bad taste to make that thing for prince?
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Nodaisho on 10 Mar 2008, 19:58
Someone that probably got a lot of money for it.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Mar 2008, 20:39
Hey, it's a kitschy guitar made for the king of kitsch. It's not like anyone has deluded themselves into thinking that it's a gorgeous instrument.

Just a stage prop, really.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: E. Spaceman on 10 Mar 2008, 22:54
Bear in mind Prince is an amazing musician with most intruments, but is specially bitchin on the guitar.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Ballard on 10 Mar 2008, 23:30
Oh, I wasn't underwriting his playing ability at all. Just underlining the fact that the shape exists for added entertainment.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Spluff on 11 Mar 2008, 01:10
Guys, I think Gibsons with gold hardware are ridiculously sexy.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Mar 2008, 03:49
Someone that probably got a lot of money for it.

I want to say Dean.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 11 Mar 2008, 04:21
Gold hardware is easily the tackiest thing imaginable this side of a drunken Ibanez/BC Rich hookup
Agreed. I just hate Gold gardwareon anything. And after the guitar is 5 minutes old the "gold" starts to look like crap. Acceptable hardware colors: Chrome, Black, or like some kind of brushed bare metal. gold hardware is the spinner of guitar affectations.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: Patrick on 11 Mar 2008, 06:18
Why would you ruin that finish??  That is a beautiful instrument, except for the gross gold hardware.  I do agree it works on some guitars, though.

Because transparent red is reserved for Gibson. Fender is the brand you buy new and bash up over time, Gibson is the brand you change diapers for all it's life. If I am getting a Fender I am not getting it for the 'gorgeous finish'.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 11 Mar 2008, 07:00
yeah I dunno KimJong. I mean actually my old Pawn Shop Mustang looks kind of good with the scars. I feel pretty certain if a gibson had sustained that level of abuse it would be in a dumpster or 'parts.'

I think the only Gibsons I like are the ES series. And like the really old models.
Like:
(http://lh3.google.com/illicitizen/Rz-JSMa3UkI/AAAAAAAAAUM/8x0p8kdeHRs/s144/DSC06056.JPG) (http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/200706SanFranGuitarShop/photo#5133973045890208322)
EDIT: EXCEPT THE GOLD #@$^@$%& HARDWARE!!!!11
But if I had to be too careful with it, meh...
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Mar 2008, 08:08
Pawn. Shop. Mustang.

Those are the three greatest words ever.
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: doombilly on 11 Mar 2008, 10:04
Pawn. Shop. Mustang.

Those are the three greatest words ever.
ha, That is my first gtr. 1977ish Tobacco Sunburst. Weighs a ton for a short scale. Heavier than some P basses. I think I paid 189.99+tax (w/ OHSC).
[img width= height=]http://lh6.google.com/illicitizen/R9a7OXrWsXI/AAAAAAAABBc/wSAenEE7cyI/s400/DSC05174.JPG[/img] (http://picasaweb.google.com/illicitizen/Illicitizen/photo?authkey=Qt0remUfg3M#5176530677257384306)
Title: Re: The Guitar Topic
Post by: valley_parade on 11 Mar 2008, 10:05
Beauty.

Nice find, man. Nice goddamned find.
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Post by: doombilly on