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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: MC on 26 Aug 2007, 23:46
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I have a theory their gonna get together in the future.
sign number 1: Faye did the whole "lean on a person when drunk" thing which she has only ever done to Marten.
sign number 2: She is definitely starting to warm up to Sven, before she couldn't stand being in the same room, now she is calling him "not such a bad guy". For Faye to call a dude "not such a bad guy" is pretty much the same as saying "I like him but am to scared to admit it".
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You're kidding, right?
Before you go all "OMG FAYE AND SVEN GONNA MAKE TEH KISSES!~1!" on the message board, bear in mind how well everyone's "OMG FAYE AND MARTEN GONNA MAKE TEH KISSES!11!!" predictions have turned out so far.
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well it would defently be the last thing you'd expect. When Marten shacked up with Dora it certainly was the last thing one would've expected. I dunno :-P I'm just brainstorming here.
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I can see that happening too. It would sorta make sense in light of the "he's not such a bad guy" thing and it'd totally be something interesting to see, how marten and dora react to it, especially dora.
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If it happens, it'll be because she wants to make Dora jealous. But to be honest, I reckon she really does just think of him as a 'nice guy'.
Either way, Jeph'll read this and go 'Haha...I was gonna hook them up, but I won't do it now just to piss 'em off.' :D
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Sven could pick up Faye's pieces, after Dora found out, that they were making out ;)
I don't think, they'r gonna get together, because she still has feelings for Marten.
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Yeah, but supposedly Marten's with Dora now, and that's that. Maybe her therapist (can't remember her name =/ ) will tell her to get over Marten and date someone else, then she'll come onto Sven (or maybe Angus! She said so herself that he was cute) and Sven will turn her down because of Dora being her sister and Faye's friend and she'll run off to Angus.
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... and she'll run off to Angus.
Uh that'd suck. I'd rather see her do steve, angus is a little pretentious in my opinion. What about marten if that happened? Would he get all full of doubts and stuff? Dora would be thrilled i'm sure.
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Why should marten get doubts? Supposedly he's over Faye and is happy with Dora. He certainly seems happy enough anyway.
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...she'll run off to Angus.
Ugh, that guy is quite funny, but it would suck to see him as Faye's boyfriend
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... and then Raven murders Faye in her sleep. :lol:
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Ooh yeah, forgot about Raven... hmn... Let's say that... Faye hooks up with Sven and then hooks Raven up with Sven's long lost twin.
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Or they start a hot threesome
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I agree if they got together it would make one heck of a story line that would last a good 100 strips at least [maybe it's his plan for strip 1000? Oh ho...]
I think Angus is there mostly for comic relief. I don't see Faye hooking up with him at all.... besides it would REALLY suck it they did hook up. Angus freaks me out... he reminds me a little to much of that kid in high school who pretty much begged for a beating.
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Faye and Angus because if not Angus will serve no purpose.
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or maybe his purpose is to beat up Sven after seeing the two together. What if Angus and Raven got together?
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What if Angus and Raven got together?
LOL!!!! The world would end! That is by far the worst match up I think I could possibly imagine!
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Hmm, I dont think Faye will end up with Steve or Angus in the end.
And yes, that means Angus serves no purpose. Well ... except being comic relief.
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He serves for target practice for hot coffee-hurling baristas?
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Yea, i dont think thats gunna happen..
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Is it hot coffee being thrown by baristas, or hot baristas throwing coffee? :lol:
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Steve, Angus, and Sven are all obvious choices for Faye, which means that Jeph won't do it. I'm waiting for a hot lesbian incest Faye-Amanda relationship that ends in crushing despair.
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Curse you, Jeph! Why must you deviate from the expected?!!
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Steve, Angus, and Sven are all obvious choices for Faye, which means that Jeph won't do it. I'm waiting for a hot lesbian incest Faye-Amanda relationship that ends in crushing despair.
No, no. Sara will return after years mulling over a decision long past, all the while training an allosaurus to obey her every command, so as to exact revenge upon Faye and Dora for conspiring to steal her man away from her. But it squishes Marten in the process. Hannelore cleans up the mess and sanitizes everything before the police arrive. Pintsize got it all on video, and immediately uploads it to Youtube, complete with slow motion segments and hilarious commentary. Raven takes over the coffee shop. Penelope, forever haunted by the taunts of the past, seeks out and kills Pizza Girl, fulfilling her ultimate destiny.
Sara is of course distraught by the demise of Marten, but Sven stops by. Always the gentleman, he finds a way to make her feel better about her loss.
The allosaurus runs off into the distance, pursued by an overgrown Tequilla Monster.
And the band played on....
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Pretty sure I'd pay top dollar to watch that masterpiece on the big screen!
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The way Jeph is going with Faye and Sven is kinda similar to Her and Marty. What makes this really difficult to determine is trying to figure out if Jeph will reuse old ideas, or will throw a curveball. Angus is the monkey wrench in the machine here, since a lot of the time, I forget about him, unless he's having coffee thrown at him. I don't personally believe that Faye's going to get with anyone for a while. Maybe, one possible outcome, Sven's going to make a more direct move, freak Faye out, and she jumps town for a series of strips, where Dora beats the hell outta Sven, and it's a question of whether Faye's coming back. Or she just jumps Angus one day. I don't know...
And then quantum physics comes into play, by discussing this, none of theses possible outcomes will happen. Tricky tricky world.
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You know what?
I would kinda like to see Faye hook up with Steve, simply because I miss seeing Steve in the comic. If he started dating Faye, he would have a much more prominent role, just like he used to.
Then again, both Steve and Faye seem to have the tendency to drink heavily, so they might not be good for each other.
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Or is it the complete opposite?
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or maybe his purpose is to beat up Sven after seeing the two together. What if Angus and Raven got together?
I was actually thinking about that. Worst match in history, but it would be kind of funny. I don't really think that Angus is right for Faye because he's too... irritating.
I think that Faye and Sven are perfect for each other - they have the whole 'opposites attract' thing, although it's unlikely that they'll end up together as that would be too obvious.
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...she'll run off to Angus.
Ugh, that guy is quite funny, but it would suck to see him as Faye's boyfriend
Hey! I actually like Angus. Don't like his name, but I like the guy. I wish he'd show up a little more often. I actually think he and Faye would be good together. Not that Sven and Faye wouldn't, but come on! You have to love Angus' antics.
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Steve, Angus, and Sven are all obvious choices for Faye, which means that Jeph won't do it. I'm waiting for a hot lesbian incest Faye-Amanda relationship that ends in crushing despair.
No, no. Sara will return after years mulling over a decision long past, all the while training an allosaurus to obey her every command, so as to exact revenge upon Faye and Dora for conspiring to steal her man away from her. But it squishes Marten in the process. Hannelore cleans up the mess and sanitizes everything before the police arrive. Pintsize got it all on video, and immediately uploads it to Youtube, complete with slow motion segments and hilarious commentary. Raven takes over the coffee shop. Penelope, forever haunted by the taunts of the past, seeks out and kills Pizza Girl, fulfilling her ultimate destiny.
Sara is of course distraught by the demise of Marten, but Sven stops by. Always the gentleman, he finds a way to make her feel better about her loss.
The allosaurus runs off into the distance, pursued by an overgrown Tequilla Monster.
And the band played on....
the directer of The Young and The Restless just called. they got a job offer for you! :-P
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Yes, that post was absolutely brilliant. (But its awesomeness has nearly ruined the comic for me, which must to some degree stay rooted in reality.)
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I like the Angus character too, I think he's exactly what Faye needs, someone who cannot only push her buttons, but isn't beaten into submission as easily as Marten. Even when he does get beat, he keeps coming back, which could be good for Faye, seeing as how she has a tendency to push people away.
EDIT: Yes I know these characters aren't real people (jokes aside) it's easier to discuss things this way.
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hi guys :)
ok i'm new, but i pretty much joined only because i had to show my Faye/Sven support
there doesn't seem to be that much here in the forum
am I the only one who LOVES the idea of Faye and Sven getting together despite how obvious or cliche or whatever else it might be?
i just think their relationship would be a lot of fun to read about
~714
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I've been thinking.
Had Faye not gone through the traumatizing experience of watching her father shoot himself, I think that she and Sven would have easily hooked up. Faye would have tamed him from his womanizing ways, and they would have been a happy couple. However, this is not the case. Everybody says that Faye has "issues", but what kind of issues are these? They are abandonment issues. No matter how close she gets to a person, there will always be that fear of abandonment.
Now, how can Faye easily get in a relationship with a man who is a known womanizer? Even though Sven has resolved to give up his sleazy ways, how can Faye be sure that he won't leave her right her after she puts out? I don't think she's willing take that risk, and I think you will agree.
A Faye/Sven hookup is certainly possible, but it will have to take a lot of character development, issue resolving, and trust building to get there.
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I've been thinking.
Had Faye not gone through the traumatizing experience of watching her father shoot himself, I think that she and Sven would have easily hooked up. Faye would have tamed him from his womanizing ways, and they would have been a happy couple. However, this is not the case. Everybody says that Faye has "issues", but what kind of issues are these? They are abandonment issues. No matter how close she gets to a person, there will always be that fear of abandonment.
Now, how can Faye easily get in a relationship with a man who is a known womanizer? Even though Sven has resolved to give up his sleazy ways, how can Faye be sure that he won't leave her right her after she puts out? I don't think she's willing take that risk, and I think you will agree.
A Faye/Sven hookup is certainly possible, but it will have to take a lot of character development, issue resolving, and trust building to get there.
ha! in the "real world" i've seen some pretty unexpected hook-ups. Most of these are so bizzare that they make little or no sense at all. Now if the "real world" has bizzare hook-ups, than surely a webcomic can to ;)
Also.... I still say that if Faye and Sven hooked up it would create incredable controversy that would cause at least 100 strips to write themselves. What would Dora's reaction be? Marten? RAVEN? So many possabilities :P
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Or... Raven and Faye hook up... :mrgreen:
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Had Faye not gone through the traumatizing experience of watching her father shoot himself, I think that she and Sven would have easily hooked up.
Well, the way I see it if Faye's father hadn't shot himself, she probably would still be living in the south. Why would she have moved if not to get away from the memories that her hometown brought about?
You do, however, bring up an excellent point with Faye dating a known womanizer. That would be stupid of her, and she's definitely smarter than that...til you brought that up I actually kind of liked the idea of Faye and Sven.
However, I still really like Martin and Faye, and in the back of my mind I still think they're going to get together.
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Had Faye not gone through the traumatizing experience of watching her father shoot himself, I think that she and Sven would have easily hooked up.
Well, the way I see it if Faye's father hadn't shot himself, she probably would still be living in the south. Why would she have moved if not to get away from the memories that her hometown brought about?
Well, yeah. I was speaking entirely hypothetically, of course. It was one of those "In another place, in another time" scenarios. My point was that if Faye's issues weren't in the way, Faye and Sven could have been a good match under the right circumstances.
Anyway, thank you for considering my argument. I enjoy analyzing characters as opposed to blindly shipping them (unless if the ship happens to be hilarious).
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Yeah, that definitely makes sense. I don't think I really meant to blindly ship Faye and Sven, I just kind of had a feeling, I guess. But it definitely would defy logic.
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i highly doubt faye's getting into any relationships in the near future. it was her emotional problems that prevented her and marten from getting together in the first place, and as made clear in the most recent comics they obviously aren't getting much better. however, she has brought up before that she's lonely and really wants to get laid (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=808), so my guess is that comic 1000 will have something to do with faye banging either sven or angus. or at least making kisses. and then regretting it after. i haven't thought that far ahead.
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I suppose, although I don't see her getting in a relationship any time soon, it would be plausable (especially given the way this arc has been going) for her to get more drunk and end up doin' something nekkid with Sven.
Of course, she'd freak out. A lot. But I personally think it's more likely than her dating someone.
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Faye is sobering up, at this point, I would see her and Sven hooking up by #1000 unlikely at best.
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I registered just to leave my stain on this topic. Though I'm a big fan of their characters, I'd be happier if they didn't hook up, honestly. The biggest chuckles I've had lately have been from the Faye-Sven interplay, and her biased view of Sven(Though well deserved) seems to be the humor catalyst. If she gets to the point where she's not peeking out of the foxhole at him and letting her guard down it really might lose some of what makes it so funny to me. Sven on the defensive just gets me ROFLin' like mad.
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If Faye and Sven hooked up, Raven would know about it, and that would cause her head to explode with hate, which would drive the D&D nerds into a blood thirsty rampage, as who would they stare at and drool over during their epic quests? No one that's who. They would be fueled by their nerdish rage, and the town would turn red with the blood of their victims.
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If Faye and Sven hooked up, Raven would know about it, and that would cause her head to explode with hate, which would drive the D&D nerds into a blood thirsty rampage, as who would they stare at and drool over during their epic quests? No one that's who. They would be fueled by their nerdish rage, and the town would turn red with the blood of their victims.
This coming from experience or anything?
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Ok, here is my extensive theory: (ooo, colons. I feel fancy!)
Faye is eventually going to go, throw herself a pity party, get increadably drunk, and bang Sven. She wakes up in the morning, realizes what she has done. She also realizes what Marty said about her being an alcoholic is completely right, and becomes more angry at herself. Faye storms off, with a confused Sven chasing after her. Big fight in the street, and Angus sees. He starts chewing out Sven, over exagerating what happened, of course. At this time, Faye sneaks off, and goes back down to the south. No one knows this of course, so when Sven tells Dora what happened, Dora, Marty and everyone else up north thinks Faye killed herself. Because of this, Dora breaks up with Marty.
And I'm not quite sure what would happen after that. But something would.
Or Faye could always hook up with Jim, and have a really weird threesome with him and Tai
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The comic will end with somebody's death.
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If Faye and Sven hooked up, Raven would know about it, and that would cause her head to explode with hate, which would drive the D&D nerds into a blood thirsty rampage, as who would they stare at and drool over during their epic quests? No one that's who. They would be fueled by their nerdish rage, and the town would turn red with the blood of their victims.
This coming from experience or anything?
No....of course not.....
I used acid to get rid of the bodies. No blood.
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I kinda hope Jeph reads this, and is going to change around all his plans for the comic just to thwart you guys.
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Ok, here is my extensive theory: (ooo, colons. I feel fancy!)
Faye is eventually going to go, throw herself a pity party, get increadably drunk, and bang Sven. She wakes up in the morning, realizes what she has done. She also realizes what Marty said about her being an alcoholic is completely right, and becomes more angry at herself. Faye storms off, with a confused Sven chasing after her. Big fight in the street, and Angus sees. He starts chewing out Sven, over exagerating what happened, of course. At this time, Faye sneaks off, and goes back down to the south. No one knows this of course, so when Sven tells Dora what happened, Dora, Marty and everyone else up north thinks Faye killed herself. Because of this, Dora breaks up with Marty.
And I'm not quite sure what would happen after that. But something would.
Or Faye could always hook up with Jim, and have a really weird threesome with him and Tai
Soapy, maybe in a very distant paralell reality. But can't deny there's some chemistry in that hug.
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Never really commented on here about the actual comic (usually just music) but here goes:
Faye needs to do something. Anything. Her character is starting to become quite boring. No one really minds that Marten is with Dora and not her because she's done nothing but mope, drink and throw out sarcastic lines for too long. I'm assuming (hoping) Jeph knows this. Just because someone isn't ready for a relationship/sex doesn't mean they won't try. Trying either might actually get her a little further towards getting out of her funk. It's pretty clear that just sitting around waiting isn't doing much for her. Comic 1000 sounds like a good time for this to go down.
If we follow standard soap/sitcom procedure she will have sex with Sven and everything will be great for ... at most one or two strips. Then, immediately, we'll run into a new conflict which'll throw everything off and Jeph can go back to writing filler comics while we wait another 100 comics for a small bit of further resolution. The conflict could be Faye freaking out, realizing she really likes Marten, running down south (requiring someone to come get her), realizing that Sven really is just a womanizer when you get down to it, whatever.
What, me jaded?
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OGM FAYE AND SVEN MADE TEH HUGZZ!!!!
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Sven and Faye hooking up has so much potential to move the plot forward.
That pretty much automatically means it won't happen.
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I think that Sven and Faye will NOT GET TOGETHER IN THE NEXT 30 COMICS.
Not to say that they WILL NOT get together - they may.
But I think that the underlying tension that was created in #987 will grow and expand.
I'm looking forward to those two getting into some awkward position where Sven is pantless, Faye is on his lap, and Marty walks in on them. Then Sven says something smarmosaurically, Faye becomes embarassed and bolts out of the room, running down the street. Sven chases after her without pants and gets hit by a car. Then Marty and Faye ride with him in the ambulance and talk things out.
Of course, a few comics later, they go to visit him in the hospital. Over the period of four or five comics, most of the cast comes by to visit Sven. At the end of the day, Faye and Marty end up spending the night in Sven's hospital room.
Dora might come in sometime during the night and see Marty and Faye asleep, with Faye resting her head on Marty's shoulder. Then she goes through a self-doubting process about her and Marty dating.
That's as far as I got.
Difficult to see, the future is.
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Difficult to see, the future is.
I love Yoda <3
And I think everyone needs to stop explaining what they want/think the plot will be. What everyone is getting to is that there IS NO PLOT. There hasn't been for a long time. And the last thing a writer needs are fans trying to tell you what to do - because the writer always has a vision.
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And I think everyone needs to stop explaining what they want/think the plot will be. What everyone is getting to is that there IS NO PLOT. There hasn't been for a long time. And the last thing a writer needs are fans trying to tell you what to do - because the writer always has a vision.
Maybe the plot is so incredibly clever that it's purpose is to seem like there's no plot. A plot-less plot?
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Also, we're just having fun. Fans WILL speculate and swap theories. Get used to it.
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there isn't enough GAY in this comic in my opinion... Angus and Sven should hook up... nd then maybe have a threesome with Faye
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there isn't enough GAY in this comic in my opinion... Angus and Sven should hook up... nd then maybe have a threesome with Faye
LOL! Classy :P hahah! That WOULD be a shock! Though I'd change it to something like this
Faye: "Sven, I like you"
Sven: "well... thats cool I guess. But I have a ...... confession to make"
*in walks angus*
Sven: "we're in love"
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Faye, being the biological avatar of a massively powerful AI (see my original post, "I have realized the truth about QC"), was originally programmed to be incapable of forming a relationship with anyone so that she would not become distracted from her mission, and to encourage Marten to form a relationship with Dora. However, she discovered that alcohol inhibits communication with her "greater self", and so has been using it to gain some time to think without being monitored.
Even if she gets free from her hardwired abandonment issues, Sven is the least likely person for her to hook up with. Marten is the only one she wants, and her only choice if she wants to thwart the AI's plan.
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In a weird way, years from now, I want to see Faye with Marten, it's almost the bittersweet heart of the story. However, I think he and Dora are great together right now.
But in the interim, I like Angus a lot better than Sven.
always in motion is future, yes
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she discovered that alcohol inhibits communication with her "greater self", and so has been using it to gain some time to think without being monitored
Ah, the Mollari Maneuver. Can't top the classics!
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You guys make QC seem like one big soap fest :lol:. I honestly hope that Jeph doesn't read this thread and somehow subconsciously decide to adopt some of the more salacious theories, hahaha.
And what about the possibility that Sven ISN'T interested in having a relationship with Faye? (physical relations don't count). Perhaps I'm reading it wrong, but he's playing the role of caring friend-boy very well thus far.
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she discovered that alcohol inhibits communication with her "greater self", and so has been using it to gain some time to think without being monitored
Ah, the Mollari Maneuver. Can't top the classics!
I'm sorry, I don't watch Babylon 5.
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I agree the plots stagnant things need to happen. One comic witty jokes get old after awhile, I think sven in faye whould make a good cuple because they complmente eachs others faults.
- Faye give shit and sven can always turn it around
She introverted he extroverted
sven gives lovin faye really needs it (bad)
If faye relationship with marten is any precedent than she tried hard not to like him too and it didn't work out, I do hope jeph reads this and decide to advance the plot.
(plus i think dora and marten are such a better couple than fye and him would be) :-D
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Or what if Dora left Martin for Angus and Faye and Martin got together?
Or Faye got really drunk and hooked up with steve ( what ever happened to him?)
Its like what one of those horrible buffet commercial says: Endless possibilities !
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Or what if Dora left Martin for Angus and Faye and Martin got together?
Or Faye got really drunk and hooked up with steve ( what ever happened to him?)
Its like what one of those horrible buffet commercial says: Endless possibilities !
Oh dear god, that just gave me a horrible image of Faye and Sven on a buffet table. >.o
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Faye and Sven, OMG kissing... Get real, folks!
I like Sven, I really do, but he and Faye are not going to become a couple. Not because of Faye and her issues, but because I think she is the first female friend Sven has ever had. In fact, I get the idea she's becoming the first real friend Sven has ever had, period. So I see Sven himself being an obstacle to this, at least in the near future.
It seems much more likely that Faye will take a chance on Angus, who is, if nothing else, far less threatening. It will last about as long as Steve and Ellen did, but it'll be a start.
However, as far as likelihood goes, I think Faye's more likely to start dating the allosaurus or DeathBot 9000 as she is to date either of these two. And that's a good thing, because Faye does not need to add a complication to her emotional life right now. I think Martin and Dora being a couple are actually good for Faye because they a) have gotten her off her butt and into therapy and b) have changed Martin from a possible complication into a pillar of support, which is what Faye really needs. I think Sven is becoming one of those pillars, too.
As for Faye and Steve, do you people *want* Faye to kill someone? Steve seems a nice guy, but he's almost as shallow as Sven pretends to be. On the other hand, Penelope and Sven are a possibility, if Penelope ever quits CoD or Dora decides Sven has finally grown up. Penny is what Sven really needs and vice versa. He brain will keep him in line, and he will convince her she's attractive physically as well as intellectually.
So Faye will be the Nun of QC, at least until she straightens herself out. I hope so, anyway; to do anything else would be horribly selfish and unfair of her. I think Faye has neither of these qualities in any great abundance, so it may well be strip 10,000 before Faye starts dating. Let's hope Mr. Jacques sticks with us for that long.
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A very violent nun, though. Perhaps she'll take up nun-fu or start beating people up with nun chucks.
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MuteKi, you obviously haven't attended Catholic parochial school (or, like me, know some poor souls who did), or you'd know just how nun-like (well, some nuns, anyway) Faye truly is. And, now that I think of it, both Faye and nuns turn violent about similar subjects—gropin', kissin', and all things sexual innuendo. Faye just hasn't given anyone a smack-down for cussin' yet. And, yes, nuns have nun-fu http://nunpod.vodpod.com/video/10102-ninja-nuns (http://nunpod.vodpod.com/video/10102-ninja-nuns), and nun-chucks. The latter are usually referred to as rulers.
Hmm, maybe Faye *will* become a nun. An indie girl nun. Hmmmm. Okay, I can't quite work that picture out, but what I can disturbs me somewhat.
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A very violent nun, though. Perhaps she'll take up nun-fu or start beating people up with nun chucks.
Why? Why puns?
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A very violent nun, though. Perhaps she'll take up nun-fu or start beating people up with nun chucks.
Faye as a Sister of Battle? Yeah, I can see it.
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the faye sven pairing is in truth the least likley thing to happen due to recent ' friendvelopments '
i smell a secret evil vespa avenger plot afoot .. with her new sidekicks Ocd Chick and Pizza girl
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I guess it's possible, but I don't see it happening for a while.
I think the reason Faye likes Sven so much is that Sven doesn't judge her. So whenever she's feeling bad about herself but doesn't want to be alone, she can take a break from her (As she seems to see them) paragon friends and go to Sven. She knows she doesn't have to censor herself with him because she knows she can't hurt him the way she can hurt Martin or Dora.
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MuteKi, you obviously haven't attended Catholic parochial school (or, like me, know some poor souls who did), or you'd know just how nun-like (well, some nuns, anyway) Faye truly is. And, now that I think of it, both Faye and nuns turn violent about similar subjects—gropin', kissin', and all things sexual innuendo. Faye just hasn't given anyone a smack-down for cussin' yet. And, yes, nuns have nun-fu http://nunpod.vodpod.com/video/10102-ninja-nuns (http://nunpod.vodpod.com/video/10102-ninja-nuns), and nun-chucks. The latter are usually referred to as rulers.
Hmm, maybe Faye *will* become a nun. An indie girl nun. Hmmmm. Okay, I can't quite work that picture out, but what I can disturbs me somewhat.
Actually I did, to a pair of less violent nuns; I would have assumed that such would be the growing norm these days.
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Perhaps only a very, ah, fortunate few get to experience the wrath of nuns. You're probably right: nowadays no one even seems to get the sort of physical punishment I experienced in my school days from 'ordinary' teachers. Too many lawsuits. Heck, if she could, after I'd gotten rulered or paddled, my mom would have sued me for embarrassing her.
I guess this rules out a career in education for Faye, too. Maybe she ought to go apprentice under Martin's mom.
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Now I highly doubt that Faye will be "making teh kisses" with anyone for a long long time if ever. Not because of the suicide induced trauma, but rather because that is the kind of person Faye is. Although, I do believe that Sven might possibly be the one to break through the shell Faye has built up. What of Angus you say? well unless Sven screws up horribly and he catches the rebound, he will likely fade into the background. "but Orangy, Jeph wouldn't do that!" REALLY? remember Sara? of course you don't.
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i come back to see you all still hate the faye/sven idea
am i the only one who loves it?
i still think it would be a great pairing and if done right (and i think jeph's doing a pretty good job for the most part) could do interesting things for the story
oh well, i'm still totally holding out for faye and sven hooking up ;)
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I'll venture out of lurkerdom to offer you some support, 714 :)
I'm a diehard romantic, so I love Faye and Sven together. I never really warmed up to Angus; he's just too weird. I started reading a while ago and read all the archives. For a while I was hoping Faye and Marten would get together. I was angry for a while once he hooked up with Dora, but eventually, I decided they go pretty well together. Still, Faye needs someone, just because it's getting old with her being a third wheel and being all awkward about Dora and Marten and complaining. She needs some kind of action, anyway, besides just being the bitter, violent, sarcastic-oneliner spouting character.
I like Sven as a character, and he and Faye have nice chemistry. I like that he's actually changed a lot over the course of the comic. I can see all the arguments against them getting together, though. They do seem to be developing in a friends kind of way rather than a making kisses kind of way, but hey, that could change! I suppose the biggest obstacle for them is the fact that it seems like an obvious option, which means it's much less likely Jeph will go down that road...
Still, I, for one, am keeping my fingers crossed - especially since Sven showed up in today's comic! :)
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I don't hate the Faye/Sven idea, but I think both characters have far to go before it's a possibility. Basic conflict—Faye fears anyone she loves will ditch her/Sven is a noted ditcher of women. Ya gots ta resolve that, and, unless you've really got it in for Faye, Sven's part can't be done while they're already in a relationship. Forgive my Buffycentricity (I just got Season 6 and am re-viewing), but it's much like Buffy and Spike. It might be a good thing if Spike really changed (which he, so far as we know, can't: that's what makes his scene in the season finale such a shocker), but so long as he remains the same, it's a disaster.
If Sven 'backslides,' Faye is not in a place now where she can 'write it off.' It will, I suspect, send her back and deeper into her personal hell.
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i come back to see you all still hate the faye/sven idea
am i the only one who loves it?
No, you're not the only one who loves it, unfortunately.
Most of the others don't hate it, they just see how BAD an idea it is.
Whereas I HATE it. HATE it!
Remember Faye's abandonment issue? Then why do you want her to hook up with the comic's serial abandoner? Sven has coasted with women on his pretty boy looks, and consistently left (through windows if necessary) whenever they got unpleasant, knowing another blonde would throw herself at him the next day. You think Faye should trust Sven, when she couldn't bring herself to trust Marten??
Marten waited for her, was there for her, friend, companion, gave her shelter, shared whatever he had, waited for her to work out her problems, and then was left hanging. After all that, you think Faye should just give herself to this cad? Besides being a vicious kick in the groin to Marten, and not even counting Dora's objections, you actually LIKE this idea?
Perhaps you think Hanners, with her dirt phobia, should hook up with Peanuts' Pigpen? Or Faye, trying not to be an alcoholic, should hook up with Jimbo (I don't think we've ever seen him outside of the bar...)
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Don't hold it in, Tomart! Let it all out! (I'm not being mean, but your post reminds me of a Mad Magazine 'Sixty Seconds' where Mike Walrus asks kids what they think about school. The answer: "Bleah! Hate it!")
Yes, Sven is a cad, but hopefully he can change. For the record, if Sir Galahad himself started dating Faye (not that he would, being all pure an' everything), I suspect Marten would have a problem with it. I know, were I he, I would.
One thing that's really interesting: why do we (or I, if it makes you happy) so need Faye to be with anyone? Are we all closet soap opera fanatics, Shakespearean comedy fans, or do we simply fear she'll never reproduce?
As for Hanners and Pigpen, for crying out loud, he's a minor. D'you want her to get arrested?
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Don't sugarcoat it; tell us what you really think! Yeah, that was my intent. :-) Yet I eschewed obscenity and ad-hominem flaming. :angel:
"Hopefully Sven can change." Yeah, he's been all nice lately, with prettier hair than most of the women, high cheekbones, smooth lady skills and clever repartez. Maybe it's just me wanting a humble, lonely nice guy (like Marten was) to win out over someone like that. So I guess I'm projecting as much as someone whose heart throbs at those attractive, lucky bastards. And yes, her hooking up with anyone now would offend me (and Marten) deeply.
As for Faye's chastity, many of us seem to wish she'd get to enjoy the comfort and pleasure of a safe, rewarding physical relationship. To help her grow, emotionally and spiritually! (See? I can sugarcoat, too. And project even more.) Notice: Faye's the only major character (almost the only character in the strip) not getting any. So it's natural for her and Hanners to hang out, and for us to want to hook her up.
I started reading Peanuts when I was about their putative age; Pigpen HAS to be older than Hanners by now...
Anyone remember when Shultz drew a few paperbacks worth of cartoons of teenagers who looked a lot like his Peanuts characters, only tall, gawky and struggling with adolescence and religious themes? They were creepy!
One title: "Teenager is not a disease."
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Comic strip kids neither die or age. They just stop getting picked up for syndication.
I mean, Archie oughta at least be in his fifties now, right? And Mr. Weatherbee should be dead.
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Faye and Sven being together in anyway physically is just so wrongsick. She can do so much better than him. If she were a F&B (flesh & blood) woman, I'd date her.
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You calling yourself better than Sven? :-P
I don't know...I look at those two characters and think, "Stranger things HAVE happened." You never know how two individual people are going to get on until they actually start doing the gettin'.
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I think you're all missing the most obvious choice here.
What's the one thing you really wouldn't expect? Who's the one person in QC who would mix with Faye like oil and water? Who's the one person Faye hangs out with the most now that Dora and Marten are occupying each other? Who's the ONE person in QC with more problems than Faye?
The answer's not Sven.
:evil:"Haaannnnerrrrs, I'm booorrrred!!!" :evil:
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Mr. Weatherbee should be dead.
I agree.
"Who's the one character in QC with more problems than Faye?" [Hanners.]
Hmm, yes. I like it. Remember the stare: "Are you fucking with me?" "Yes, I'm sorry."
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Everybody says that Faye has "issues", but what kind of issues are these? They are abandonment issues. No matter how close she gets to a person, there will always be that fear of abandonment.
Now, how can Faye easily get in a relationship with a man who is a known womanizer? Even though Sven has resolved to give up his sleazy ways, how can Faye be sure that he won't leave her right her after she puts out? I don't think she's willing take that risk, and I think you will agree.
Yeah, this pretty much sums up my thoughts on how likely it is. Regardless, I kind of like the idea of the characters together :P
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Well, all I can say is that in #1073 http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1073 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1073) it's clear to me that Faye digs the attention, even if she wants to be angry. For his part, that's not exactly charm Sven is using on her. There may be hope here for both of them as persons, if nothing else.
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Allow me to toss another noodle into this spagetti bowl of options:
Sven + Hanners = Teh Kisses?
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You calling yourself better than Sven? :-P
It would be tough to be worse than him. :-P
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Faye obviously has a thing for svensven. I mean, whether the two actually get toghether or something is one thing, but she obviously has some feelings for him. Who wouldn't? He's an attractive guy who puts up with her snarky attitude (usually).
I for one would like to see them get together, maybe even a, dare I say, friends with Benefits? Like Dora said, faye needs to get layed, but she's not really in an emotional position for a relationship. So maybe some care free sex with the Svenster? I could see that being fun to read. Especially if they had to be all sneaky about it, but then, Ohoho, One of them starts actually having EXTREME feelings for one another, then that unravels a new plotline, AND BAM!
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.I'm Ramlbling haha. I know Faye would never do that though. She doesn't seem like the kind of girl who would be down for casual sex.
But hey, I can dream?
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He's an attractive guy who puts up with her snarky attitude (usually).
This is your "obvious" proof that she has feelings for him??? I despise attractive people; they think they're all that, and stupid people TREAT them like they're all that. For all the unfair advantages they get, they should be disdained by the rest of us.
As for Sven/Hanners... I don't see it, at all. They're too different, in so many ways.
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Dude, I haven't posted in forever.....but I feel the need now...
Good relationships are based on friendships first. Sven and Faye are building a good relationship. Maybe Faye chills out a little bit, they make out, she decides that she'd rather have him as a friend, and they move on from there.
But it's a major plot point of who Faye is going to hook up with. Sven is really the logical answer. If they continue to be friends, Sven might try to clean up his act (which he has been doing) to impress her. Stranger relationships have occurred.
And skaps is right, you never know exactly what's going to happen until they actually start to unfold.
Or Jeph is just screwing with us. Which is entirely possible.
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They make nice friends - they have a cool vibe going on, especially where Faye told him about his fake guitar. Faye is exactly the kind of girl Sven needs, but Sven is probably not the kind of guy Faye (or any sane woman) needs. It's too easy to imagine him giving in to temptation, no matter how he feels about his current girlfriend.
Still, I wouldn't object to Faye using Sven to scratch an itch and then dumping him. :laugh:
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I despise attractive people; they think they're all that, and stupid people TREAT them like they're all that. For all the unfair advantages they get, they should be disdained by the rest of us.
Yes, we should hate people based on their genetic makeup which determines their appearance. That is perfectly rational and not at all similar to racism!
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I despise attractive people; they think they're all that, and stupid people TREAT them like they're all that. For all the unfair advantages they get, they should be disdained by the rest of us.
Yes, we should hate people based on their genetic makeup which determines their appearance. That is perfectly rational and not at all similar to racism!
And of course people born genetically predisposed to attractiveness should refuse to "take advantage" of anyone, and shoulld get plastic surgery to look "average" or even homely. And persons born with above-average intelligence should deprive themselves of oxygen for just enough time to kill off some brain cells and bring their IQ down to normal, so they won't have any advantage over others in gaining school admission or jobs.
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Touché. (how do you get the little accent mark over the e?) [Edit: Thanks!]
In my own defense, I'm merely advocating a compensatory disdain (that few would participate in) in an attempt to balance the karmic scales. It has been demonstrated that attractive people receive better treatment from others, are preferentially selected and rewarded over the less attractive, in many different ways. It's an evolutionary mechanism, putting attractive couples together and getting everyone else to help them and their offspring survive and procreate some more, thus promoting good genes. (But honestly, noticing women gushing over Sven makes me sick.)
Well, as a conscious entity, I could rationalize a more level playing field, or one based on merit, or intellect, or ethics, or cooperation, or genius. But actually my motive is deep-seated resentment at pretty boys taking women that I wanted. So I would much rather Marten gets Faye, and Sven gets STDs. :laugh: Have a nice day!
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Heh, well at least you have a sense of humour about it. On that note, you may be interested in a Kurt Vonnegut short story, "Harrison Bergeron," which takes place in a future society where everyone is required to have one sort of "handicap" or another so that everyone is equal. It's in the Vonnegut collection Welcome to the Monkey House and is a fun read.
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Touche. (how do you get the little accent mark over the e?)
If you are using a PC, hold down ALT, type "130" on the number pad, and release ALT.
é
Different numbers will allow you to use different foreign language symbols.
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Thanks, zerodrone; back when I was using Quark on Mac, it was Ctrl-option-e or something.
Heh, well at least you have a sense of humour about it. On that note, you may be interested in a Kurt Vonnegut short story, "Harrison Bergeron," which takes place in a future society where everyone is required to have one sort of "handicap" or another so that everyone is equal. It's in the Vonnegut collection Welcome to the Monkey House and is a fun read.
Yess..... I remember reading that Vonnegut book about 30? years ago; that probably influenced my thinking.
My handicap seems to be Asperger's syndrome, so I have trouble understanding and relating to people, so that makes the attractiveness thing poignant, but moot.
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But actually my motive is deep-seated resentment at pretty boys taking women that I wanted.
So, you've never wanted a woman because she was hot/pretty/cute?
It works both ways. A lot of the time I've noticed that a good-looking woman can enjoy being with a below-average looking man as long as he's also intelligent, funny, interesting, or otherwise pleasant, but the opposite is rarely true. Most guys simply do not want to be with an ugly girl regardless of what else she's got (well, maybe if she's willing to put out...).
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I guess Sven is one of the people Tomart wants to hunt down and inflict diseases upon. Funny, though, just looking at the cast, the best male candidate for that sort of person would seems to be Marten. Sven (Raven notwithstanding) doesn't really seem that attractive (to me, anyway). I'm guessing he has ker-aasss-maa.
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How can any of you tell that any of these people are "attractive"? They're cartoon characters that aren't drawn realistically at all! I mean, some of them are "cute" (Hanners, Raven) but they're "cute" like a kitten or a chibi anime character.
Seriously you people scare me sometimes.
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That's okay. We, I, scare me, too. Remember, I'm the psycho that's doing a character count. I even refer to myself with non-personal demonstrative pronouns. Veryscary. Run.
I guess what I meant to say was that Sven is, to, me, presented more as 'charisma guy' than Adonis. Marten seems to be the 'good-looking but has no idea' guy, which I'm partially basing on the fact that he's the child of QC's answer to Bettie Page. So what I'm really talking about is how they are written.
Actually, to me the only guy Jeph seems to really draw as attractive is Benji. Dunno what, if anything, to make of that. Also dunno how good I am at measuring guy's attractiveness. Maybe I need to buy a Pitt-o-Meter.
I can see it now: "So, Ryan, how many Pitts does Raphael score?"
"Oh, about 8.3 Pitts. The estimator readout says he could go a full 9 Pitts if he'd shave the goatee."
Maybe someone can get cracking inventing the Pitt-o-Meter?
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How can any of you tell that any of these people are "attractive"? They're cartoon characters that aren't drawn realistically at all! I mean, some of them are "cute" (Hanners, Raven) but they're "cute" like a kitten or a chibi anime character.
Seriously you people scare me sometimes.
Hit the nail on the head there. :lol:
I'll undermine my comment by saying that I love how Faye has been drwn recently. Don't know what's different.
"Harrison Bergeron" is an excellent story. One man was too intellegent, and so had to wear a radio in his ear that frequently emitted loud noises to derail his train of thought. An unsusally beautiful woman wore an ugly mask.
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Over on Weekly comic talk, LoramirOfGondor came up with an truly interesting idea: comparing Sven and Faye to Benedick and Beatrice in Shakespeare's Much Ado about Nothing. The circumstances are different, but still...
Now I'm wondering: if Marten were to dump Dora for reasons based on a lie rumor, would Faye ask Sven to kick Marten's ass? Would he? Could he get serious as Branaugh's Benedick does?
Have I just blown Jeph's plan?
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Sounds great. Though I must brush up on my Shakespeare. When you mentioned him some way up the thread, I imagined that Dora would give up managing the Coffee of Doom and split owenership between Faye, Penelope and Raven based on who can flatter her best. Penelope refuses to play and is cast out. Marten protests this and is also banished. Faye and Raven pull Sven and Benji into their schemes for power, and eventually both shun Dora. She ends up in a park ranting at a storm with Mievelle or Pintsize as her Fool. Penelope returns in force. Everything ends in tragedy.
(This post has very little to do with Faye and Sven's relationship.)
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And of course, at one point Dora jumps out at someone, yelling, "Every inch a Barrista!"
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And of course, at one point Dora jumps out at someone, yelling, "Every inch a Barrista!"
Grace go with you, sir! I can already see that, and it is good.
"Someone" would be Gloucester, who I couldn't cast, along with his son Edgar, Edmund and the King of France. Can't think who would play them, and they're pretty crucial. Details, dteails. Let's petition Jeph for a non-continuity arc!
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Jeez, you're all gettin all Shakespearean on us... But if you say Much Ado is so good, maybe I should read it.
I liked Midsummer Night's Dream, with the exquisite Helen Mirren...
So, you've never wanted a woman because she was hot/pretty/cute?
Oh, of course, until I found they don't want me. Ergo, hostility. Especially at blondes (except of course, Hannelore.)
I guess Sven is one of the people Tomart wants to hunt down and inflict diseases upon.
No, it would be self-inflicted; that's the beauty of it. :angel:
How can any of you tell that any of these people are "attractive"?
I was using "attractive" in the general sense, like how Sven is always attracting readers' praise and making them gush. (Um, so to speak.)
I guess it's Charisma more than Adonis, but whatever it is, readers are seriously mating Sven/Faye in their dirty little minds, in large numbers, or even sweet, naive little Hanners... [distraught]
Edit: I meant Sven/Hanners [distraught] ...Faye/Hanners would indeed be awesome. (See below.)
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or even sweet, naive little Hanners... [distraught]
Faye/Hanners is an absolute good. :-D
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Jeez, you're all gettin all Shakespearean on us...
Yes, and completely derailing this thread as we do. Maybe Shakespeare in QC should have another thread. "All hail Faye, you shall be Queen hereafter!"
OMG FAYE+HANNERS*
*That's just so I can fit in better, :wink:.
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or maybe his purpose is to beat up Sven after seeing the two together. What if Angus and Raven got together?
Yeah, like Sven and Faye get together and Angus and Raven flip out and hook up with each other!
Wow, I think I've been reading too much manga.
But yeah, I have to say that I kinda support Faye and Sven because of the way they tend to act nowadays, but I also think it's unlikely because of Faye's not-hooking-up-er-ness.
But hey, for all we know Jeph is just planning something batshit like Penelope and Sven or a three-way between Faye, Hannelore, and Tai.
Actually, Penelope and Sven pairing up seems like it could be slightly plausible in the future. xD
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Faye seems pretty comfortable around Sven, sitting near him relaxed and not really on her guard.
Marten and Sven do have one thing in common now though, it seems Faye sees neither of them as an immediate threat.
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Ok, heres how it all goes down.
Eventually Marten and Dora want to move in together, right? So one of them moves into the others place, and either way Faye gets the shun, and desperately needing somewhere to go,she seeks refuge with Sven after he offers to take her in until she finds an apartment. After that, hilarity and sexual tension ensue!
THERE ARE NO FLAWS TO MY PLAN! SHHHH!
p.s. Raven has her hobo boyfriend anyway, doesn't she?
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Longtime lurker first time poster..just because of this topic :-)
I don't really see whats wrong with the hook-up of Sven and Faye, both of them have had issues in the past that they're both trying to overcome. Though its only a matter if they actually follow through with it like Sven.
But its so nice how Sven has broken down Faye's tough exterior that she's actually comfortable sitting next to him, just like the beginning of Marten and Faye's relationship. How Marten was so uncomfortable around girls until he met Faye.
And with Raven I mean she has a boyfriend now right? Would she still hold a grudge against Faye?....
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*sigh* I may be the one QC reader still hanging doggedly on to the idea of Faye + Marten ...
But, since that doesn't look likely any time in the immediate future, I like the idea of Faye + Sven. I agree with all the in-favor points that have been made thus far -- Faye is comfortable with him, she could help Sven recover from being a heartless womanizer, it would help her reacquaint herself with the nuances of a healthy relationship, etc. And another thing -- I don't know if anyone else feels like this, but I find Marten and Dora a REALLY BORING COUPLE. The way I see it, they're always just either being insecure about each other or being vapidly cute. I like the Beatrice/Benedick dynamic between Faye and Sven a lot more. but I still like Faye and Marten best ... *further sighing*
And as a first-post introductory postscript, a friend of mine introduced me to this two weeks ago. I tore through the archives and got two other friends addicted to it. Jeph I worship you. But not as much as I worship Pintsize.
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Long time lurker, first time caller. :)
I would just like to point out the fact that regardless of personal opinions on the pairing, regardless of whether or not it would work, regardless of how complimentary they are, how many problems they'd have... Faye and Sven are interesting. I think this has already been brought up, but, honestly, speaking as a writer and viewing QC as a narrative having Sven and Faye hook up or simply have to deal with sexual tension is just a friggin' interesting plot point to have. Even having them in the same room automatically creates action and conflict-- which I just don't view as a bad thing. Yes, Sven's womanizing and shallow tendencies directly contradict Faye's distancing mechanisms and deep-seating psychological issues-- good! Someone has to! Faye needs to for her own sake get herself into a situation where she's forced to question her behavior-- and so, for that matter, does Sven. Regardless of if they can "fix" each other (who says they have to be fixed?), they would at least be forced to examine themselves... Whether or not they could change would suddenly be not just for their own sakes but for the sake of each other as well, and I for one want to see that kind of pressure put on, just because as a reader it's interesting to me. I am a cruel mistress. :evil:
That, and the fact that I'm not the only person to de-lurk themselves in the past week says a whole lot about how fascinating this plot thread is. I'm just sayin' :angel: (I'm also raping the hell out of these smiley face icons).
'Much Ado' has always been my favorite Shakespearian comedy.
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regardless of personal opinions on the pairing, regardless of whether or not it would work, regardless of how complimentary they are, how many problems they'd have... Faye and Sven are interesting. ... I am a cruel mistress. :evil:
Yeah, I guess I'd have to admit they're more interesting than Marten/Dora. In the sense of the ancient Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times..."
In RL (RealLife.jk), the Marten/Dora relationship is close to ideal, it's what we yearn for; while Sven/Faye is made of landmines and boobytraps (pun Unintended.) So tension, conflict, trauma, heartbreak, serious injury and hard punches are more interesting to cruel mistresses, and most everyone else. But not when they happen to you.
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i come back to see you all still hate the faye/sven idea
am i the only one who loves it?
No, you're not the only one who loves it, unfortunately.
Most of the others don't hate it, they just see how BAD an idea it is.
Whereas I HATE it. HATE it!
Remember Faye's abandonment issue? Then why do you want her to hook up with the comic's serial abandoner? Sven has coasted with women on his pretty boy looks, and consistently left (through windows if necessary) whenever they got unpleasant, knowing another blonde would throw herself at him the next day. You think Faye should trust Sven, when she couldn't bring herself to trust Marten??
Marten waited for her, was there for her, friend, companion, gave her shelter, shared whatever he had, waited for her to work out her problems, and then was left hanging. After all that, you think Faye should just give herself to this cad? Besides being a vicious kick in the groin to Marten, and not even counting Dora's objections, you actually LIKE this idea?
Perhaps you think Hanners, with her dirt phobia, should hook up with Peanuts' Pigpen? Or Faye, trying not to be an alcoholic, should hook up with Jimbo (I don't think we've ever seen him outside of the bar...)
Ooh, good one! Faye gets drunk and hooks up with Jimbo! She realizes the next day that they drove to Tiajuana in his trailer!
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regardless of personal opinions on the pairing, regardless of whether or not it would work, regardless of how complimentary they are, how many problems they'd have... Faye and Sven are interesting. ... I am a cruel mistress. :evil:
Yeah, I guess I'd have to admit they're more interesting than Marten/Dora. In the sense of the ancient Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times..."
In RL (RealLife.jk), the Marten/Dora relationship is close to ideal, it's what we yearn for; while Sven/Faye is made of landmines and boobytraps (pun Unintended.) So tension, conflict, trauma, heartbreak, serious injury and hard punches are more interesting to cruel mistresses, and most everyone else. But not when they happen to you.
Another saying is "Happiness writes white." "And they all lived happily ever after" is what you put at the end of a story. Marten and Dora (as a couple) make less interesting stories because they're happy together. They had two strips of "There's other women in your heart?" conflict before they realised there was nothing to it. Faye has a world of hurt to resolve; Sven might help, or might make it worse. There's the drama. Besides that they shark off each other in an interesting fashion. Hannelore has mountains to climb too. That's why today's strip [1075, for posterity] works so well. (Well, that, and the "OMG, she's cuter than ever!!!" angle.)
Apparently, if you want to find your main characters, you look for the one with the biggest problems. The guy with the crappy job, chaotic robot buddy, non-starting love life and strange girl moving into his home was that one. Now, not so much. Time to look at someone else. As readers, we want them to unhappy. That way, they will keep struggling and so entertain us. Fortunately, we're not going to meet them, or they'd be pissed at us.
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Hannelore has mountains to climb too.
Yeah, Faye's mountains! *rimshot*
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regardless of personal opinions on the pairing, regardless of whether or not it would work, regardless of how complimentary they are, how many problems they'd have... Faye and Sven are interesting. ... I am a cruel mistress. :evil:
Yeah, I guess I'd have to admit they're more interesting than Marten/Dora. In the sense of the ancient Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times..."
In RL (RealLife.jk), the Marten/Dora relationship is close to ideal, it's what we yearn for; while Sven/Faye is made of landmines and boobytraps (pun Unintended.) So tension, conflict, trauma, heartbreak, serious injury and hard punches are more interesting to cruel mistresses, and most everyone else. But not when they happen to you.
Another saying is "Happiness writes white." "And they all lived happily ever after" is what you put at the end of a story. Marten and Dora (as a couple) make less interesting stories because they're happy together. They had two strips of "There's other women in your heart?" conflict before they realised there was nothing to it. Faye has a world of hurt to resolve; Sven might help, or might make it worse. There's the drama. Besides that they shark off each other in an interesting fashion. Hannelore has mountains to climb too. That's why today's strip [1075, for posterity] works so well. (Well, that, and the "OMG, she's cuter than ever!!!" angle.)
Apparently, if you want to find your main characters, you look for the one with the biggest problems. The guy with the crappy job, chaotic robot buddy, non-starting love life and strange girl moving into his home was that one. Now, not so much. Time to look at someone else. As readers, we want them to unhappy. That way, they will keep struggling and so entertain us. Fortunately, we're not going to meet them, or they'd be pissed at us.
I don't want them unhappy, per say... I just want a narrative. QC is in its heart of hearts a story-- and what's good for a story isn't always so great for reality (see: Stranger than Fiction). All you can hope for is that you hit a happy ending. Some day. Eventually.
I honestly do like Faye/Sven, though, on a personal level. I don't really predict their lives being utterly destroyed by becoming attracted to each other-- granted, I predict their lives becoming a whole lot more complex, but that's really not necessarily bad. Life's really about learning things-- even if Sven and Faye bumped headboards and realized an hour later what a completely awful idea it was, at least they did *something* with their situation. Right now I'm a lot more concerned with them being static than I am with them being pissed at me. I don't enjoy seeing them unhappy-- but, dudes, Faye doesn't seem like the most frickin' ecstatic person in the world anyway. From a pragmatic standpoint, I don't think sleeping with *anyone* is gonna solve her problems right now (or ever) but at least she'd be doing something about it. The exercise and therapy sessions are a good start-- time to put these lessons into practice, if'n ya please.
No, I don't like it when bad things happen to me, but at least I can say that I've learned from most of them. Even if it was, y'know, to throw small children out windows for fun and profit. (*cue: The More You Know!*)
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Folks, I'm tellin' ya, there be an iceberg bearin' down on the good ship Mardoranic. Just ye heave to and keep ye weather eye clapped on 'er.
Did any real sailors ever actually speak that way?
In the first Amber series, Corwin comments that , in effect, if his life is a novel, he'd like to strangle the writer. God knows none of the readers (unless they are completely insane—at one point Corwin is blinded) want to be Corwin, but it's very entertaining reading about him.
The same applies to couples. We can, apparently, either have happy couples of interesting people: not both. Soap Operas, of course, learned this long ago. QC's not a soap, (or a soup, despite my fervent wish to type it so), but the principle is the same. Marten and Dora aren't nearly old enough to become Tom and Alice.
Maybe Jeph can overcome this rule, but I doubt it.
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Folks, I'm tellin' ya, there be an iceberg bearin' down on the good ship Mardoranic. Just ye heave to and keep ye weather eye clapped on 'er.
Did any real sailors ever actually speak that way?
In the first Amber series, Corwin comments that , in effect, if his life is a novel, he'd like to strangle the writer. God knows none of the readers (unless they are completely insane—at one point Corwin is blinded) want to be Corwin, but it's very entertaining reading about him.
The same applies to couples. We can, apparently, either have happy couples of interesting people: not both. Soap Operas, of course, learned this long ago. QC's not a soap, (or a soup, despite my fervent wish to type it so), but the principle is the same. Marten and Dora aren't nearly old enough to become Tom and Alice.
Maybe Jeph can overcome this rule, but I doubt it.
What's a weather eye? Is it contagious? Can you buy it at Bed, Bath and Beyond?
There's ways to both have a couple and have them not be completely useless... The problem is, there has to be problems. It's not a question of interestingness exactly so much as it is just realism-- no couple can be 100% happy 100% of the time, and if they are, they're creepy. Martin and Dora have a lot of weirdness they seem to have overcome way to quickly (in my opinion); Martin's done a 180 on what girl he's got the hots for, and Dora has broken the golden rule of BFF-ship (at least in the girl-verse; I dunno about all you man-whores out there). These are serious issues and if they're really ready to move past them as quickly as they are then, dude... That kind of makes me concerned for them.
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OK seriously I like QC and all but you did not just compare Jeph to fucking Zelazny.
Seriously read this and then get back to me on that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Today_We_Choose_Faces
(NB: This is a drunk post.)
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Actually, I used Zelazny's work as an archetype. Make of that what you will.
However, if I did compare them, I doubt Zelazny would notice. He's likely too busy being dead and/or creating enough energy to power a small city with his gyrations over Dawn of Amber. Save your energy for hunting Betancourt down and giving him an atomic wedgie.
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There's ways to both have a couple and have them not be completely useless... The problem is, there has to be problems. It's not a question of interestingness exactly so much as it is just realism-- no couple can be 100% happy 100% of the time, and if they are, they're creepy. Martin and Dora have a lot of weirdness they seem to have overcome way to quickly (in my opinion); Martin's done a 180 on what girl he's got the hots for, and Dora has broken the golden rule of BFF-ship (at least in the girl-verse; I dunno about all you man-whores out there). These are serious issues and if they're really ready to move past them as quickly as they are then, dude... That kind of makes me concerned for them.
Not so certain that marten's done a 180, he always had an eye for Dora early on, and now its more than an eye... The issue between her and Faye is probably more serious and I'm not so certain she's moved beyond it. Witness her neurotic behaviour...
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Hannelore has mountains to climb too.
Yeah, Faye's mountains! *rimshot*
Very good...
Mind you, I can see that as an unlikely punchline to the current arc:
(Faye and Hannelore are in Sven's bed. Sven walks in.)
Sven: What the fuck? Didn't you say she was off-limits?
Faye: Well, to you...
Folks, I'm tellin' ya, there be an iceberg bearin' down on the good ship Mardoranic. Just ye heave to and keep ye weather eye clapped on 'er.
QC's not a soap, (or a soup, despite my fervent wish to type it so)
It is a soup, a thick and nutritous gumbo of sarcasm, relationships, robots, comedy, "issues", unrequited love, sex, drunkeness and absurdity. :laugh:
I don't want them unhappy, per say... I just want a narrative. QC is in its heart of hearts a story-- and what's good for a story isn't always so great for reality (see: Stranger than Fiction). All you can hope for is that you hit a happy ending. Some day. Eventually.
Per se (Sorry to be pedantic.) Yes, that was my point. A happy ending is obviously an end. We need drama and interest to keep a story going. I wasn't meaning to say that fictional characters are invented to be poked with sticks. "Dance for me, paper monkey, dance! Hahahaha!"
I honestly do like Faye/Sven, though ... Right now I'm a lot more concerned with them being static than I am with them being pissed at me.
If you were writing something and entertained the thought "Will my characters (who only exist in my head) still like me after I make them do this?" you would surely be getting on a fast track to madness. They won't ever come and get you. They don't exist. It was late and I was tired.
(Interesting idea though. Faye would want probably want to give Jeph a beating. Davan and friends from Something Positive would probably do something very slow and painful to their creator. John MacClane (Bruce Willis in Die Hard*) has a good case to sue Fox for millions, for repeatedly putting him the action movie wringer and breaking up his marriage for their profit and our entertainment. Let's not even get into tragedy, say Titus Andronicus.)
No, I don't like it when bad things happen to me, but at least I can say that I've learned from most of them. Even if it was, y'know, to throw small children out windows for fun and profit. (*cue: The More You Know!*)
You must explain. Or write a book "Throwing Children Out of Windows for Fun and Profit!"
*I could have picked more high-culture examples. But would it mattered?
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Dora has broken the golden rule of BFF-ship (at least in the girl-verse; I dunno about all you man-whores out there). These are serious issues and if they're really ready to move past them as quickly as they are then, dude... That kind of makes me concerned for them.
Ok, so the golden rule of female BFFs is - don't date each other's BFs..? Even if the one gave him up, let him loose? And (no small point) she never had him in the first place? Would it have been better if some other floozy snapped him up? I'm just a curious man-whore askin'...
As for how quickly they move past issues - - maybe the comic moves past lots of issues, so we're not getting a full relationship-intensive course in that couple's issues...
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Well, some other girl getting Marten would have had a different effect on Faye, but I also doubt that anyone but Dora could have gotten him that quickly. Remember Faye running into Dora's room and saying "two days??" That's a big part of the rule Dora broke. It's not exactly "don't date each other's ex-boyfriends" -- in this situation it's "don't date someone your bff was emotionally involved with until a reasonable amount of time has passed." Whether or not Faye and Marten were officially going out, there was a lot of chemistry and feeling between them, and Dora knew that. Otherwise, she wouldn't be so apologetic and guilty (and rightly so!) when Faye confronts her that night.
And about the Hanners-Faye thing ... I think a much more amusing relationship would be ... hehe. Remember when Penelope and Faye leave the gym together in a loud argument about Penelope's rear end, and the gym employee's assumption? Hehe.
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Well, some other girl getting Marten would have had a different effect on Faye, but I also doubt that anyone but Dora could have gotten him that quickly. Remember Faye running into Dora's room and saying "two days??" That's a big part of the rule Dora broke. It's not exactly "don't date each other's ex-boyfriends" -- in this situation it's "don't date someone your bff was emotionally involved with until a reasonable amount of time has passed." Whether or not Faye and Marten were officially going out, there was a lot of chemistry and feeling between them, and Dora knew that. Otherwise, she wouldn't be so apologetic and guilty (and rightly so!) when Faye confronts her that night.
And about the Hanners-Faye thing ... I think a much more amusing relationship would be ... hehe. Remember when Penelope and Faye leave the gym together in a loud argument about Penelope's rear end, and the gym employee's assumption? Hehe.
Exactomundo. While there is something intrinsically funky about dating your best friend's ex (not bad, per se-- ah ha, I have learned the ways of the Latin!), it's more of an issue with how fast the relationship blossomed into existence and the fact that Dora never even (as my memory serves) brought up to Faye that she was considering making a move, which creates weird double-dealingness (again, this might be totally wrong-- I haven't read through the archives in a while so it's possible Dora gave her a head's up at some point and it just flew over my head).
If you were writing something and entertained the thought "Will my characters (who only exist in my head) still like me after I make them do this?" you would surely be getting on a fast track to madness. They won't ever come and get you. They don't exist. It was late and I was tired.
(Interesting idea though. Faye would want probably want to give Jeph a beating. Davan and friends from Something Positive would probably do something very slow and painful to their creator. John MacClane (Bruce Willis in Die Hard*) has a good case to sue Fox for millions, for repeatedly putting him the action movie wringer and breaking up his marriage for their profit and our entertainment. Let's not even get into tragedy, say Titus Andronicus.)
No, I don't like it when bad things happen to me, but at least I can say that I've learned from most of them. Even if it was, y'know, to throw small children out windows for fun and profit. (*cue: The More You Know!*)
You must explain. Or write a book "Throwing Children Out of Windows for Fun and Profit!"
*I could have picked more high-culture examples. But would it mattered?
Firstly, a pox on high-culture examples! Suffice to say, I think pretty much any literary work ever created could be filed under this category (in varying degrees of seriousness).
Secondly, have you ever seen Stranger Than Fiction? Because seriously, the set up is entirely about this theory.
Thirdly, summer camp theater instructor. Enough said.
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As for how quickly they move past issues - - maybe the comic moves past lots of issues, so we're not getting a full relationship-intensive course in that couple's issues...
I'd say it's more how slow the comic moves. Remember how long that week was that Marten got off work? 192 strips, nearly a full year.. If Marten and Dora had a real, mega-issue troubles lasting for QC days, that's months and months of 'broken status quo' and then they get together again and its been a year since we last saw them like that.
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(not bad, per se-- ah ha, I have learned the ways of the Latin!)
Good work, discipulus.*
And about the Hanners-Faye thing ... I think a much more amusing relationship would be ... hehe. Remember when Penelope and Faye leave the gym together in a loud argument about Penelope's rear end, and the gym employee's assumption? Hehe.
I endorse this message. But, to crush your dreams it's not going to happen, is it? But I go for more Penelope. She's still something of mystery.
Firstly, a pox on high-culture examples! Suffice to say, I think pretty much any literary work ever created could be filed under this category (in varying degrees of seriousness).
Secondly, have you ever seen Stranger Than Fiction? Because seriously, the set up is entirely about this theory.
Fie on high-culture examples! (Was it this thread we were derailing with Shakespeare a while ago?) Imagine if Wile E. Coyote met Chuck Jones. He'd probably savage him, just out of spite.
You're right. No story would worth the effort without some upleasant things happening.
I haven't seen Stranger Than Fiction yet, but it sonds really interesting.
Thirdly, summer camp theater instructor. Enough said.
Yep, that explains it. :laugh:
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i'm not saying that all is perfect in their little world, but i don't know...i think life sucks for the most part so i like to see happily ever afters in my comics, movies, books (on a total side note, i hate the way the whole mary jane/spiderman and cyclops/jean things went)
that being said, i don't want it to happen now and i don't expect it to happen without it's fair share of drama
i think sven and faye have a lot of chemistry and i think it would be fun to see that chemistry play out
and with that, after today's comic...
*does a happy dance*
hanners might not be interested, but faye.... ;)
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Another saying is "Happiness writes white."
..Harvey Danger? If so... AWESOME.
And also... Having Faye blush so much could be more evidence for any camp of people supporting Faye and Sven. :roll:
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The Sven/Faye thing has been building for an awfully long time, with a definite undercurrent of chemistry. It's a bit hard to be sure, but I think Faye is a bit more aware of it than Sven. The way she reacts when he turns up unexpectedly (Gah!) isn't because she thinks he's a repulsive smarmosaur. Well, maybe it is, but probably because he's a partially-reformed smarmosaur who she finds attractive.
Sven seems genuinely worried that she'll hit him, and is apparently quite genuine when he says she's not his type. He jokes with her but I think he has no 'intentions'. Joking aside, he's never shown the least sign of being interested in taking advantage of her and has had a number of opportunities.
It would be very interesting to see if Sven gets hit by a realisation that there's more out there than 'types'.
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So many predictions.... I'm not much for the whole Sven-Faye getting together.. Still, the story line almost always goes in a totally different way as we predict, but that's what's great. I just love the way Jeph ignores what others say and just writes the story like he wants.
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Seems to me that Faye is at least 'attracted' to Sven. *note today comic*
Personaly, i think they'd be a great couple and that they'd provide alot of drama for us to watch as it unfolds.
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Faye and Sven made teh kisses. <3
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I knew it.
YESSSSS> :)
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OK, the creator of this thread (MC) just got fuckin' VINDICATEDZ.
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And now there is a hell of a lot more evidence for a Faye/Sven relationship. :P
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Hey! I actually like Angus. Don't like his name, but I like the guy.
Yeah, Angus sounds like a redneck who eats gross sandwhiches. No offense to any rednecks online.
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A little surprising...but not overly so. Would have at least expected Sven to make the first move and Faye to feel conflicted and whatnot before she came to terms with it.
I'm interested in what Marty's reaction to all this will be...
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EDIT: Yes I know these characters aren't real people (jokes aside) it's easier to discuss things this way.
Not real?! As the gay mayor of imaginationland once said, "whatever you believe is rweal is rweal."
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HOLY SCHNIP SCHNAPS!
I believe our debate has been partially addressed 8-)
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Well, I guess our side wins.
w00t.
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hahaha if only it were that easy
i think it's safe to say though, that the board is pretty split...there's a good chunk that supports the whole Faye/Sven thing hardcore and there's another disdains it with their entire being
i would just like to point out my new icon to the left and say SQUEE
unfortunately though i have a feeling that this isn't going to pan out quite like we supporters might hope
it could easily turn into a "gee, faye, i'm flattered and all but i'm just not into like that" or a "HOOOO shit, i didn't NOT just do that...if you ever mention it again, i'll kill you, Sven" or some other unhappily ever after scenerio
oh well, whatever happens, it will be fun to sit back and watch the drama unfold 8-)
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i think it's safe to say though, that the board is pretty split...there's a good chunk that supports the whole Faye/Sven thing hardcore and there's another disdains it with their entire being
Behold, the gloriousness that is a forum poll:
http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,19103.0.html (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,19103.0.html)
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hah! I knew it!
Dora is going to have a conniption
714 is right though the whole faye/sven thing is an abomination. Maybe they will bond and form godzilla or something
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hed asplode!
(not that this wasn't coming, but still)
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Maybe they will bond and form godzilla or something
Mecha-Pint Size would come to the rescue.*
I hear by stake claim to the Mecha-Pint Size idea before Jeph uses it!
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hah! I knew it!
Dora is going to have a conniption
Dora can shove it somewhere cramped and smelly after the way she pounced on Marten.
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Whatever happens, this will break ravens heart.., or well.. that part of her that longs for bony indie guys anyway... :)
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Like most f us on here i'ver read QC from start to finish and i have to say even if this goes no where for faye im really happy that she has finally pushed her own boundaries! If she was a real friend id be giving her huge (and very cautious!) congrats hugs!
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The strip only gets better and better listening to "Happy Together" by The Turtles: http://youtube.com/watch?v=mploADKBihc
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Fuck.
Everything is ruined forever!
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Next week: Nashville is destroyed by a chemical plant explosion. Sven loses all his money, shoots himself.
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Like most f us on here i'ver read QC from start to finish and i have to say even if this goes no where for faye im really happy that she has finally pushed her own boundaries! If she was a real friend id be giving her huge (and very cautious!) congrats hugs!
Exactly! I am there with you 100%. It's not about Sven, it's about Faye finally doing something! Character Development! Yay!
/not sarcasm, seriously psyched to see where this is going!
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It's ON!
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Mihihi. I really hope Fay and Sven get together. Sven has been getting much more serious lately and it would be a good thing for Fay to get someone special. But yeah, they were speaking of pushing boundaries, I think maybe she is just testing herself and then going "oh, wow, that was easy. oh well, going home now, nighty night!"
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It's ON!
Unless this leads to 100 strips of Faye awkwardly explaining her emotional problems again.
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It's ON!
Unless this leads to 100 strips of Faye awkwardly explaining her emotional problems again.
No no, mabee this will be a signal that those are a thing of the past!
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Uh, remember scruffy. This is faye we are talkin about.
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Uh, remember scruffy. This is faye we are talkin about.
And what will Dora be doing?
"Oh my god Marten you have feelings for Faye who kissed my freaking brother and he's my brother and AAAGGHHHHH" *Dora's head explodes*
Anyway. Everything is ruined forever.
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Well, I guess our side wins.
w00t.
:lol: "In your face, deniers, we have Jeph on our side!"
Maybe they will bond and form godzilla or something
Mecha-Pint Size would come to the rescue.*
I hear by stake claim to the Mecha-Pint Size idea before Jeph uses it!
This is a job for...Pizza Girl, teamed with the Caffeineatrix!
oh well, whatever happens, it will be fun to sit back and watch the drama unfold 8-)
Absolutely. This will surely be a complex and interesting mess.
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hed asplode!
(not that this wasn't coming, but still)
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Fuck.
Everything is ruined forever!
Uh, remember scruffy. This is faye we are talkin about.
And what will Dora be doing?
"Oh my god Marten you have feelings for Faye who kissed my freaking brother and he's my brother and AAAGGHHHHH" *Dora's head explodes*
Anyway. Everything is ruined forever.
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Uh, remember scruffy. This is faye we are talkin about.
Hey, I'm being optimistic! It's a step in the right direction!
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Anyway. Everything is ruined forever.
Only if on Monday we begin a 200-strip arc where Faye runs to Marten and cries about how she has feelings for Sven but her d-d-dad k-k-killed himself r-r-right in f-f-front of her and WAHHHHH.
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I like Faye and Sven. But I don't think they are going to get started quite this easily ... I mean, they aren't going to be in bed post coitus Monday AM.
But yay for pushing boundaries! Hopefully Faye will get cooler after this. Maybe just pushing her physical boundaries aren't going to be enough for her.
And also, I'll bet her family will approve of Sven's music :-)
(PS - New to this forum because I'm excited about this!)
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Maybe they will bond and form godzilla or something
Mecha-Pint Size would come to the rescue.*
I hear by stake claim to the Mecha-Pint Size idea before Jeph uses it!
This is a job for...Pizza Girl, teamed with the Caffeineatrix!
(http://www.roberthood.net/daikaiju-antho/contributors/images/mechagodzilla.jpg)
Surely you'd rather see Mecha-Pint Size?
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Anyway. Everything is ruined forever.
Only if on Monday we begin a 200-strip arc where Faye runs to Marten and cries about how she has feelings for Sven but her d-d-dad k-k-killed himself r-r-right in f-f-front of her and WAHHHHH.
Shhh... Jeph reads the boards!
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Anyway. Everything is ruined forever.
Only if on Monday we begin a 200-strip arc where Faye runs to Marten and cries about how she has feelings for Sven but her d-d-dad k-k-killed himself r-r-right in f-f-front of her and WAHHHHH.
Shhh... Jeph reads the boards!
Jeph also knows Common Things You Should and Should Not Do In A Web Comic, like the back of his hand, and knows that rule #2 is : You cannot kill a character off that people have come to love.
Faye may have her problems, but she's not THAT bad.
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Jeph also knows Common Things You Should and Should Not Do In A Web Comic, like the back of his hand, and knows that rule #2 is : You cannot kill a character off that people have come to love.
Spoken like someone who's never read Scary-Go-Round. There's never any definite with that "rule" of yours.
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I say they do it on Hanners back to freak her out.
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Jeph also knows Common Things You Should and Should Not Do In A Web Comic, like the back of his hand, and knows that rule #2 is : You cannot kill a character off that people have come to love.
Spoken like someone who's never read Scary-Go-Round.
... 8-) Guilty as charged. :lol:
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It will be interesting to see if either of them can handle this relationship. But of all the possible matches, Sven (for all his womanising past and the trust issues that will bring) seems the best.
- Angus was a terrible choice - he was encouraging the worst in Faye, apparently interested in a verbal sadomasochistic sort of relationshio. :-o
- Marten, although now maturing into a great friend, was basically too unsure in himself. His social ineptness led to him accidentally calling her an alcoholic, f'instance.
- Sven's been consistently portrayed as being a source of good advice. He doesn't encourage her self-pity, but asks her practical and quite insightful questions about why she does what she does and what she wants to do about it. At the same time, the whole fake guitar thing showed he's able to take being in the wrong, that's he's a very self-aware guy. Sven has an emotional maturity which can be really helpful to Faye.
The problem is, he's hardly been mature in the past in his own treatment of women. He's taken the easy route all the way, and been consistently selfish. She made him confront that, and he's been trying to change, but doing _anything_ with Faye is a huge leap for Sven. She's like the antithesis of the easy one-night stand. She has built-in Dora consequences. And she's someone he genuinely cares about as a friend. Responding to her kiss in any way is going to be scaryhard for him. And going into a relationship where he actually _cares_ about his partner will probably be one of the most frightening things he's done in his life.
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Sven's been consistently portrayed as being a source of good advice. He doesn't encourage her self-pity, but asks her practical and quite insightful questions about why she does what she does and what she wants to do about it. At the same time, the whole fake guitar thing showed he's able to take being in the wrong, that's he's a very self-aware guy. Sven has an emotional maturity which can be really helpful to Faye.
The problem is, he's hardly been mature in the past in his own treatment of women. He's taken the easy route all the way, and been consistently selfish. She made him confront that, and he's been trying to change, but doing _anything_ with Faye is a huge leap for Sven. She's like the antithesis of the easy one-night stand. She has built-in Dora consequences. And she's someone he genuinely cares about as a friend. Responding to her kiss in any way is going to be scaryhard for him. And going into a relationship where he actually _cares_ about his partner will probably be one of the most frightening things he's done in his life.
You know, the more and more I read that, the more and more I thought you were, and are.. right... then I realized.. we're talking about web comic characters like they actually exist. :laugh:
Boy... Jeph's got us hooked and he knows it.. :lol:
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It could be a good thing.... but I still can't help the sick feeling in the pit of my stomach
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i can't wait to see the double date with sven, faye, marten and dora... marten staring at dora, dora staring at faye, faye staring at sven, sven watching the waitresses ass as she walks away...
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i can't wait to see the double date with sven, faye, marten and dora... marten staring at dora, dora staring at faye, faye staring at sven, sven watching the waitresses ass as she walks away...
Would he even do that though, knowing he's with the "hardest catch" he's ever gone after intentionally or unintentionally ?
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Uhm....It's just a kiss. Not a decloration of love or anything. She could've done it just to show she can step out of her comfort zone too, and for nothing more.
Also, fear of death from sister/ getting fired by your boss is a good reason this won't go further.
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Uhm....It's just a kiss. Not a decloration of love or anything. She could've done it just to show she can step out of her comfort zone too, and for nothing more.
Also, fear of death from sister/ getting fired by your boss is a good reason this won't go further.
After I got over the extremely PO'd phase, I kind of realized that. It's just a kiss, and it looks more like a "I'm defiant and you're a dick and I'm going to show you that I can push my boundaries, BITCH" sort of thing instead of a "oh my god Sven I love you so muuuchhhh" sort of thing.
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Uhm....It's just a kiss. Not a decloration of love or anything. She could've done it just to show she can step out of her comfort zone too, and for nothing more.
The body language in the previous frame, (the innocent arms behind her back, and facial expressions) prove that it as anything but just a kiss.
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uhm....the fourth frame is split. Left one shows very angry faye, like someone said something to piss her off like "Hey you're a wuss for not pushing your personal limits."
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This may seem petty but, if things get sexual between Faye and Sven, I might have to never read this comic ever again. The thought alone of the two of them getting pelvic turns my stomach. I mean, she can do so much better than him.
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If it comes down to that, need to do it on Hanners. That'll loosen her up.....or cause her to explode.
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No way, Hanners will not do well in JAIL.
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I don't understand the Sven backlash. He may have been (could possibly still be) a womanizer. Yes, we all understand that. But as much as I like Faye she's not exactly all sunshine and rainbows is she?? She's abrasive and can be physically abusive. Granted she hasn't done all that much of the latter recently but Sven has been sexin' up the ladies either. It doesn't necessarily mean either of them have changed.
I'm happy for character development either way on both sides. :) I just don't get why so many people feel that Faye's character has to be stagnant while she sorts through her issues...the same goes for Sven.
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uhm....the fourth frame is split. Left one shows very angry faye, like someone said something to piss her off like "Hey you're a wuss for not pushing your personal limits."
Or it's just grit and determination. Girls with gumption can start to look a bit intimidating when they put their mind to doing something.
edit: OR DOING SOMEONE! HAHAHAHA--just kidding >.>
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No way, Hanners will not do well in JAIL.
No one would touch her in jail. Her mom would make sure of that....if she even let it get to that point.
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Uhm....It's just a kiss. Not a decloration of love or anything. She could've done it just to show she can step out of her comfort zone too, and for nothing more.
Also, fear of death from sister/ getting fired by your boss is a good reason this won't go further.
I would also consider the possibility of Dora feeling to guilty about snatching up Marten, to actually fire or harm Faye. Understandably she would initially be pissed about the whole thing. especially if it went any further then the kiss. There would be the drama the arguments, but I could easily see Dora blaming herself. Some sort of "If I hadn't taken Marten then he would be the one Faye would have kissed, so thus its all my fault, I forced her onto Sven."
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uhm....the fourth frame is split. Left one shows very angry faye, like someone said something to piss her off like "Hey you're a wuss for not pushing your personal limits."
Or it's just grit and determination. Girls with gumption can start to look a bit intimidating when they put their mind to doing something.
Or she's just psyching Sven out: "HA! You thought I was going to punch you, didn't you?"
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Faye needed a little mind-gaming to get herself in the mood...
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Worst case scenario: Sven actually doesn't like her that way.
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Or she's just psyching Sven out: "HA! You thought I was going to punch you, didn't you?"
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Faye needed a little mind-gaming to get herself in the mood...
To some degree I wouldn't doubt Faye being so sadistic, but her complete... I guess phobia... of human contact of any kind, let alone any sort of romantic connection says otherwise..... Sadly i see a lot of myself in Faye's actions, yet, in some way, I enjoy it.
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girl's gotta get hers too, that's all i'm reading into it :wink:
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:laugh: :laugh:
that happened faster than I thought it would, but ok ...
It gave me an added measure of satisfaction to see Sven being jerked forward by the shirt. Dominated men amuse me (if they were formerly heartless womanizers -- Marten being dominated is not so fun).
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Worst case scenario: Sven actually doesn't like her that way.
No, worst case scenario: they have sex.
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No and no: Worst case scenario: Monday's strip jumps to CoD the next day, and the Faye/Sven kiss isn't mentioned again, ever.
I don't think Jeph's actually that mean to his readers, but the option is there.
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satisfaction to see Sven being jerked forward by the shirt.
Did anyone else notice in the last two panels that Faye pulling the shirt makes Sven look... um, I don't know... like female, with the long hair and all...? Look again.
What subtle Freudian symbolism is this? ...?
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Long time reader, first post.
This latest comic just Made me register!
First reaction - SQEEEEE!!!!!
Second reaction - DOUBLE SQEEEE!!!
And then I started to get thoughtful about it.
I think the kiss certainly was a 'I'm pushing my boundries' and her body language in the second to last panel certainly shows that.
Some people here were talking about how she was all sweet and innocent beforehand, but I think she was being nice, until he said the 'pushing your boundries' comment and then she thought 'what the heck!' and did it.
*edit* - Either that or she was trying to sneak up on Sven, I mean, you would hide the knife behind your back if you were going to stab someone, you wouldn't parade it around, would you?
Worst case scenario - Faye is 'cured' and they all live happily ever after with lotsa ponies and unicorns in a big castle for ever and ever!! And they have lotsa sex and babies!
I'm sorry that is just unrealistic AND it makes me gag. Thank god April's Fools isn't nearby...
I think Faye has far too many issues for this to be a quick fix, but there still is the little part of me, that wants her to be happy, but I just know this won't be the case.
I don't really know what Monday's strip will be like, I don't think they will keep it a secret. Why keep it a secret when Jeph could just milk all the tension and drama it would bring!
*is excited for Monday's comic!*
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I saw this coming from the start of the karaoke arc, but I assumed Jeph would cop-out. I'm impressed that he actually furthered the progression of Faye's character, but I reckon he's gona have her think it was a mistake and things'll be back to square one. If Jeph sees this through properly (as in he doesn't just have them break up before Faye develops as a character), then I'll be extremely impressed.
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You're kidding, right?
Before you go all "OMG FAYE AND SVEN GONNA MAKE TEH KISSES!~1!" on the message board, bear in mind how well everyone's "OMG FAYE AND MARTEN GONNA MAKE TEH KISSES!11!!" predictions have turned out so far.
haha PWND.
this weeks comic makes you look all naive and stuff.
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Jesus, this thread makes me want to never read General Discussion again.
If you want me, I'll be back in Music Talk.
seriously people it is a comic strip these are not real people you are talking about
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Alright here are my theories on the future with this whole faye & sven thing
a) It is going to lead to them dating thusly making the sexual tension between faye and marten even more akward
b) Another 50 pages about fayes issues
c) Faye is just fucking arounds and it means nothing
d) Jealousy build up
and e) (the least likely) massive orgy :mrgreen:
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Did anyone forget about Raven, how she was pushing to get with him....I know she's dating that hobo, but she does tend to go through boyfriends like an artist goes through sketchbooks.
btw, hi. I'm what they had called a "lurker" for a bit of time now.
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i'm not going to argue about theories right now
let me just say i was really, really pissed about something else just 5 minutes ago, and then i read the comic and that all took a major back seat b/c right now i'm beyond excited even if it doesn't last, even if it wasn't the right time-or whatever else objections people might have...for the moment its ALL good...that' being said
*fangirl warning*
YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh my god! I can't believe they got nekkid!! Eeeeeeeeeh. I hate most girly things but the last two comics have me between giggles and awws and what the fuck is left nows?!
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Wow.
Can't wait for Dora and Marten's reaction.
Sven and Her won't last.
I have been hoping for them to get together for the longest time. but after thinking...just wouldn't work.
But hey. Faye got layed! Party?
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OMIGORSH!!! faye and sven made teh sexings!!! I KNEW IT!!! i'm really happy she finally got laid, i know she needed it... :lol:
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I am in fangirl blissful shock.
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O_O This is so awesome you have no idea! I think I cheered the same when marten and dora kissed for the first time!
It's about time it happened (lord knows she needed it), though I don't see it going farther than this. Still, righteous ^_^
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Well damn... Part of me wants to be happy, but part of me was also expecting something more dramatic. Maybe some more build up.
But random FayeSvensex is pretty decent.
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Okay, I'm really starting to hope and pray that this is Faye's way of getting back at Dora.
On a lighter note, this comic is sadly pushing me farther and farther away. It used to be my favourite, way back when. Now, all it's doing is making me sad and kind of pissed off. Like the pissed off you get after you get over Aeris' death, and think, "WHAT THE HELL, SQUARESOFT?!" or when your favourite game company decides to randomly switch from being exclusive to one console to being exclusive to another. Geh.
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I am quite excited over this. I defiantly cant wait to see how this is gonna all pan out. I think that any direction that it goes, it'll keep me reading. What i don't quite understand is all the mellow drama on the boards about "QC is ruined forever!" "I now hate QC for this, I'm never going to read it again" and things of that nature. Judging the average interests of the majority of people who watch movies,tv, and read comics not based on superheroes... this is keeping with the interests of that basic demographic. Jeph knows who will like his comic, and knows who wont. But obviously dose not care if you like it or not. If you personally believe that QC is ruined over this, then just go find something else in the vastness of the internet, instead of criticizing someone else's work. Oh another idea, if you don't like the way the plot has panned out, then go write your own comic. :-P
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haha unbelievers.
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Yes, yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yes,yessssssssssssss!
So, I am so excessively excited about this part of the plot. I knew it from the start, and I don't care what anybody says. It's amazing!
Although, I don't want to get over-excited about this cause it could just be like a one time thing. Cause you know, what would the comic be without bitter-Faye? Well, hoping everything goes well with the comic. And hoping that Faye won'T go soft or anything.
P.S. I'm starting to miss Marten.
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No, worst case scenario: they have sex.
Good call.
Maybe Faye finally took Dora's advice to just go out and "have yourself a good bang."
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I hope she reminds Dora of that as Dora is strangling Sven. Or maybe even before.
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Maybe Faye finally took Dora's advice to just go out and "have yourself a good bang."
Yeah.. but.. Sven?
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I mean.. come on.
Granted it's a heckuva lot better than having Jeph spring a random character on us and say Faye slept with him, but, yeah.. Sven?.. :|
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hi...i've been reading the comic for a long time and never posted here, but i felt the need to say one thing....
don't you guys think that when faye goes into CoD, she should wear the "everything is ruined" t-shirt? or is that just me?
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Imagine if she had slept with that Angus guy instead... LOL.
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So very...very happy.
I do think Faye and Sven will be good for each other, even if the relationship doesn't last (Which I doubt it will). He needs someone who won't put up with any crap, and vice versa. But more than anything else I'm looking forward to the havoc which will be wreaked when Dora finds out :evil:
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I think what everyone's forgetting is that Raven lost her bet .
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=790 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=790)
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*grin* Aw, poor Raven.
I wonder if anyone had money on Faye and Sven? I doubt it.
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If you think about it, Sven is the only character Faye would have had sex with in QC.
She has abandonment issues, emotional problems that stem from a fear that if she grows close to someone that they'll abandon her. She pushed her boundaries and sexed up the smarmasaur precisely because she doesn't feel close enough to Sven to feel hurt when/if he "abandons" her.
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She pushed her boundaries and sexed up the smarmasaur precisely because she doesn't feel close enough to Sven to feel hurt when/if he "abandons" her.
No way man. She sexed up smarmy Sven cuz he's smokin hawt! Rawr.
I hope Hanners isn't too traumatized. I wish she were my friend. I want pancakes...
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really though, it did take me by suprise, but I think it's a good thing, she needed relief, and he needed to be taken. I'm on the edge of my seat to see what will happen
it's like Three's Company only I have to read it :-D
As for the people who are getting all bent out of shape...
OMG Dramasplosion
(pssst hey folks, it's a web comic)
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:-oThree's Company? Freakin' Three's Company? :-o
I agree that QC's gotten a trifle soapy, and that some of us are reacting at least a little like every soap-addicted housewife that ever tuned in to watch The Young and the Should Be Long Dead from STDs.
But I've yet to see a stupid, moon-mouthed, extended take drawn in QC.
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Long time reader, first post.
This latest comic just Made me register!
First reaction - SQEEEEE!!!!!
Second reaction - DOUBLE SQEEEE!!!
And then I started to get thoughtful about it.
lol, same situation here :D
also, why are there like a hundred threads about this, I got confuzzled
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Lest I be accused of sexism, we are also acting like every soap-addicted househusband that ever tuned in to watch... Hmm, what do soap-addicted househusbands watch?
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I dunno, but I'll never make fun of anyone watching General Hospital or All My Children ever again.
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I agree that QC's gotten a trifle soapy, and that some of us are reacting at least a little like every soap-addicted housewife that ever tuned in to watch The Young and the Should Be Long Dead from STDs.
What?! I totally, wholeheartedly disagree with that! There is noo way QC had gotten the least bit soapy! How?! Just tell me how!
I don't know if some of you have failed to notice that Jeph totally made that comic funny as hell! I laughed my ass off. He could have totally made it corny and all but lucky for us we didn't have to put up with awkward cheesy shit. So, my props to Jeph for making me laugh my ass off when he didn't have to.
'Nough said.
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I had inklings they would hook up from the events in strips 793-799. I just did not expect it to be in such a rapid manner. I only read every few days so i ended up just catching the last 4 strips.
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What?! I totally, wholeheartedly disagree with that! There is noo way QC had gotten the least bit soapy!
Yeah, QC has always been soapy... but just because it's soapy doesn't mean it's bad. Ever read Love and Rockets? Jamie Hernandez is a genius.
Lest I be accused of sexism, we are also acting like every soap-addicted househusband that ever tuned in to watch... Hmm, what do soap-addicted househusbands watch?
The political commentariat.
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What?! I totally, wholeheartedly disagree with that! There is noo way QC had gotten the least bit soapy!
Yeah, QC has always been soapy... but just because it's soapy doesn't mean it's bad. Ever read Love and Rockets? Jamie Hernandez is a genius.
Lest I be accused of sexism, we are also acting like every soap-addicted househusband that ever tuned in to watch... Hmm, what do soap-addicted househusbands watch?
The political commentariat.
I guess you guys are right. But you have to admit it's not a typical "I-love-you-so-much-lets-have-sex-but-oh-wait-you're-my-brother?!?" soapy.
So, I still think it could be much worse.
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Hmm, what do soap-addicted househusbands watch?
Wrestling.
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i'm really glad she got a man with a "fine, fine ass" OMG OMG OMG, AND SVEN's NOT DEAD!!! I hope they make some more sweet, sweet sexings.....it'll calm faye down a bit...
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i'm really glad she got a man with a "fine, fine ass" OMG OMG OMG, AND SVEN's NOT DEAD!!! I hope they make some more sweet, sweet sexings.....it'll calm faye down a bit...
But I DON'T want Faye to calm down!
It'd be awful! Can you imagine QC without angry bitter Faye? I so can't!
Bleh.
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Wow the Faye/Sven happenings have brought another lurker out of hiding and forced me to actually sign up onto the forum...
SQUEEEEEE REALLY REALLY SQUEEE
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Long time reader, first time posting.
I just want to say that No. 1081 = BWAHAHAHAHA!
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I am quite excited over this. I defiantly cant wait to see how this is gonna all pan out. I think that any direction that it goes, it'll keep me reading. What i don't quite understand is all the mellow drama on the boards about "QC is ruined forever!" "I now hate QC for this, I'm never going to read it again" and things of that nature. Judging the average interests of the majority of people who watch movies,tv, and read comics not based on superheroes... this is keeping with the interests of that basic demographic. Jeph knows who will like his comic, and knows who wont. But obviously dose not care if you like it or not. If you personally believe that QC is ruined over this, then just go find something else in the vastness of the internet, instead of criticizing someone else's work. Oh another idea, if you don't like the way the plot has panned out, then go write your own comic. :-P
I like the "I defiantly can't wait" part.
I'll probably keep reading, but I find it kind of depressing the way that things are turning out. I have a lot of other webcomics to read, as well, and it used to be "OH MY GOD QC," but now it's "oh, QC, the plot got weird, but OH MY GOD CTRL+ALT+DEL IS AWESOME." It makes me kind of sad that I'm not as into QC anymore.
And I know that Jeph doesn't care what we think. I don't care what he thinks, either. It's interesting, but interesting in a "what the fuck is going on here" sort of way. He's not a bad writer, and I really don't want to bash him or anything, but... I just really hope he has a good twist/storyline coming from this. It's not like they can just get together, and it's not like they can just be "okay ignoring this it didn't happen hahahahhhh." He's got a chance to do something good with this, or he has a chance to turn it into an even deeper "what the fuck is going on here." It's his story, but I just hope it doesn't turn into something really silly. (Hey, I think the whole kiss-and-sex thing was silly, but maybe he has something good coming from it. I don't know yet.)
And yeah, I have other things in the vastness of the internet. There are hundreds of webcomics out there. I just happened to like this one a lot, too.
As for writing my own comic, I do love to write, but I think I'd rather write storylines for a video game company. :-)
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I guess you guys are right. But you have to admit it's not a typical "I-love-you-so-much-lets-have-sex-but-oh-wait-you're-my-brother?!?" soapy.
So, I still think it could be much worse.
Oh no, no, no. 'Soapy' isn't necessarily bad. The kind you're talking about in your German-style noun is, but, to me, soaps kept drama alive when in primetime everybody wanted to watch Gilligan in his next idiocy. The same elements that people laud Shakespeare for including in his work are present in the daytimes. The problem, really, is that some Daytimes have been running for forty years or more, and so we tend to notice repetition after a bit. The first time "I-love-you-so-much-lets-have-sex-but-oh-wait-you're-my-brother" happened, it was dramatic: it's the tenth or so time it’s used, in pretty much exactly the same way, or with only a far-fetched premise to make it 'different,' that cheapens it.
Given the timeflow in QC, it may take us forty years to get through about five, so no worries on that sort of thing.
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We've seen Jeph hook up characters in problematic situations before, and we've seen him do nothing but a great job writing it. I'm gonna trust that Jeph knows what he's doing here.
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Whats really pissing me off is that everyone seems to be expecting Sven to step backward in his character development, rather then possibly be able to change himself, and actually be something GOOD for Fae. Incase anyone's not noticed, one of the major themes of QC is overcoming issues and learning to live your life, be yourself, and have fun with it. Sven by this point officialy qualifies as a main character. Fck, if Hanners can come as far as she says, why can't Svenn?
Faye: Issues of self confidence.
Sven: Issues with realisticaly being reliable and dependable.
The two both have major personality issues, but they also seem to present each other with support. Fae is probably the first female that Sven has ever interracted with without 100% intent on screwing an dumping her. Sven boasts far more self confidence, and that can be a good thing to rub off on Fae, unlike Marten. I love Marten, but he's too passive and soft to really show Fae a good example of how to gain self confidence in my view.
I'm 100% behind this new turn, and I hope it becomes an education experience for the two characters, and continues to uphold QC's traditional style of character development.
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Whats really pissing me off is that everyone seems to be expecting Sven to step backward in his character development, rather then possibly be able to change himself, and actually be something GOOD for Fae. Incase anyone's not noticed, one of the major themes of QC is overcoming issues and learning to live your life, be yourself, and have fun with it. Sven by this point officialy qualifies as a main character. Fck, if Hanners can come as far as she says, why can't Svenn?
Faye: Issues of self confidence.
Sven: Issues with realisticaly being reliable and dependable.
The two both have major personality issues, but they also seem to present each other with support. Fae is probably the first female that Sven has ever interracted with without 100% intent on screwing an dumping her. Sven boasts far more self confidence, and that can be a good thing to rub off on Fae, unlike Marten. I love Marten, but he's too passive and soft to really show Fae a good example of how to gain self confidence in my view.
I'm 100% behind this new turn, and I hope it becomes an education experience for the two characters, and continues to uphold QC's traditional style of character development.
QFT
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Maybe Faye finally took Dora's advice to just go out and "have yourself a good bang."
Yeah.. but.. Sven?
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I mean.. come on.
Granted it's a heckuva lot better than having Jeph spring a random character on us and say Faye slept with him, but, yeah.. Sven?.. :|
Well, think about it hon. Faye could've slept with:
* Angus
* or Sven
<_<
Personally, I'd choose the smarmasaur too, but that's just me. Plus, I think Sven's cuter, and way better for her than Angus.
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I definitely agree with ChippyD, and also especially with the gF. I'm really excited about this--I've thought for a long time that they'd get together somehow, and that it would probably be really good for both characters and for the story. Faye and Sven both have crap to work out, and I think they can help each other do it; plus, I think it's obvious that they're really attracted to each other, so they should go for it; plus, Jeph has done a frickin' awesome job so far so let's just see where this goes! It will be really fun to see.
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To everyone who has gone down the "oh my god, these are WEBCOMIC CHARACTERS you're debating, people!" route - I'd like to point out that yes, yes they are. Characters that, as far as I can tell, are intended to be realistic and for that reason, I don't see the slightest problem in attempting to psycho-analyse any of the occurrings. If the plot stopped being realistic, QC would experience a dramatic drop in quality that could not be excused by saying "well, they're webcomic characters".
I am not saying I am nuts and fully expect the characters to have a mind of their own out of Jeph's control - no, he is obviously the one writing the plot and the character's actions, but unless we are able to trace the justifications behind them, then the storyline becomes useless. Good character development is a mark of good storytelling. Simple.
I've seen Sven/Faye coming for a long time. Of course, there was always the "No, Jeph would not do this as it's TOO obvious" aspect, but I am pleased it did. I daresay it NOT happening would have been unrealistic if the friendship had continued as it has. The only other alternative would have been for Faye to distance herself once again (not neccessarily because of any romantic feelings per se, but just down to mere 'he's not such a bad guy' sentiments), and nobody would have liked to see that happening.
Sven was a likely candidate - BECAUSE he embodies so many things Faye dislikes, it would have been easy for Faye to initially feel secure in the knowledge that NO, nothing would ever happen between them. That's one wall overcome, which might explain how she became so friendly and comfortable around him. Which then in turn more or less naturally would have led to sexual tension simply because Faye is the sort of girl Sven would not go for and vice versa, and yet here they are, getting along (more or less) well, keeping each other nice and grounded.
We must also not forget that presumably, they had been drinking a little, and yes, alcohol lowers boundaries. There was one stopping point just after the first kiss, but anyone who has been in a similar situation should be aware that stepping back then is an extremely unlikely course of action. Though again, Jeph could have stopped there and had her freak out then and nobody would have really questioned it. Instead, it went further. I'm currently enjoying the inevitable post-coital-bliss Faye must be experiencing (I see her madly bouncing around CoD and putting it all down to the caffeine).
Where to now? I don't see this becoming something romantic. Not for the time being, anyway. Neither of them really have the personalities or are at a point in life where "let's give a relationship a try" seems like a realistic thing to say or even consider. Faye could freak out completely... but that would, I daresay, annoy most readers. As far as I can see, she has been on an upwards slope in recent strips, and I doubt sleeping with Sven would throw her back down. Dopamine, kids.
"Pushing boundaries" may indeed be the keywords here - I almost see it as Faye taking advantage of Sven. He wouldn't have said no. Pushing her boundaries with him was, relatively speaking (in comparison to other guys) easy. What, to me, remains to be seen is whether it's a repeat occurrence or whether they leave it at that and never speak of it again.
Things that have entertainment potential:
-Sven telling Dora what happened. He might just do so out of fear that Faye will do so first, in a not-so positive light. (Incidentally, Sven, casually as he is acting now, may suddenly go into a sort of guilt-trip mode).
-Hannelore, traumatized, refusing to talk to Faye. She may turn to Pintsize/Wainslow for advice. Pr0n attack engineered by the former ensues.
....and of course, I am personally just waiting for the line "Well, yes, we were making out, but you were so drunk you just kind of fell asleep before we actually got down to the sex."
((PS: I may have gone a little overboard with this length-wise. Apologies.))
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I think if Faye stayed Bitter Faye than she wouldn't be growing as a character and it's the character development that makes QC so much fun.
Also, when I first started reading QC a friend of mine who is also a fan gave me a knowing look and said it was probably because I relate so much to Faye. (I also have body issues, a family trauma, used to have a fear of abandonment because of said trauma, am a recovered alcoholic, and hit boys for flirtting too much.)
I used to be just like Faye and I got together with the womanizer and everyone said we'd break up in two weeks (some people even took bets), and you know what? We've been together ten years!
And I am still bitter and sarcastic. And I still hit boys for flirting too much. (Although now I have a better reason.) So, it can be done!!
I give much kudos to Jeph for tackling this storyline!!
Once again QC has made me say "That's me! That's me!"
I love it!
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I never join forums but I honestly had to join this one. I've been reading QC for a few years now and I've been reading the forums off and on for the last few months..
anyhoo I felt the recent events warranted me throwing down my two cents. Sorry if it's kinda long but I am wordy and have a lot to say.
Faye could have slept with Angus or Sven... and maybe Steve if she really wanted to and he was really drunk or being stupid. Not that I think that would EVER happen I'm just saying there's not a whole mountain of available male characters for her to choose from if she were choosing:
1. Steve is Martens best friend so he'd never go for it and neither would Faye for the same reason (among others)
2. Angus may be an interesting character but I think Faye realizes he's a bit tweaked upstairs and probably more trouble than he's worth even if she DOES think he's good looking
3. Sven.. well, he's Sven. Not to mention Dora's brother, Raven's obsession, and a recovering womanizer.
BUT we've seen Sven's character develop a lot over the last few months and we see that he's not all bad and that he's trying to be a better guy. I would like to point out that just because he's had a lot of sex doesn't mean he's been a bad guy about it. Remember when he first got "on the wagon" and his old sex buddy Eva showed up? She didn't seem scorned in the least and was in fact quite willing to jump back in the sack with him. An opportunity he passed up remember?
Yeah there was that chick he ditched in the bar that night that Faye yelled at him but that event occured to set these events in motion. Anyhoo my point is that just because he's had a lot of sex doesn't mean that he's a bad guy and it doesn't mean that a lot of his "conquests" weren't willing participants in the act and knew exactly what the nature of their hook-up entailed. He's guilty of some poor judgement and he's made some mistakes but hey, who isn't? And he seems genuinely interested in being a better man now.
I don't see this really going anywhere substantial in the long run but I daresay that Sven may have been more interested in this happening then some of us are giving him credit for. Especially in the most recent strip where he very non-chalantly walks out of the bathroom and is all "hey, how are ya, good morning" blah blah. This, to me, is a guy who's very happy with the way things have turned out. Given Faye's past I was expecting a more subdued, concerned reaction from him the next morning. If I was to go all Dr. Drew on this I'd say that Sven idealizes Faye in a way he's not sure how to express. He's a girl he's genuinely interested in spending time with and that might scare him, it might frighten him, and it probably intrigues him. It's the "wanting something you can't have" thing. But now he's "had it" so to speak, and he's been able to express those feelings sexually which aside from music is probably the best way he knows how to.
For Faye's part I think she just got fed up with being guarded and for some reason decided to throw caution to the wind that night. Maybe it was just Sven's comments or the fact that she's gotten to know him, or the fact that he has a safe sort of confidence about him but she decided to take some sort of leap. Time will tell wether it was forward or back. Her reactions in the most recent strip speak like she was crazy drunk the night before (omg last night really happened?) but I don't think that was the case for either of them.
I think this is good for Faye, to let her guard down a bit. If only from the threat of violence from Faye and Dora you know Sven will probably do the right thing, even if that entails doing nothing. There is, of course, the obvious issue of sleeping with your friend/boss' brother. Dora probably won't like this at first (Or Raven but who cares?). And Sven was becoming a decent friend to Faye, there's issues there too. He's been a good friend thus far.
AND if Marty still has a decent pair of testicles I Don't know a guy alive that, given this situation, wouldn't go "Oh COME on! HIM!? You've been hanging out with him for like 5 DAYS! I was your doormat for a YEAR!"
I predict that Faye resumes freaking out and accuses Sven of somehow seducing her, takes no responsibility for her actions and storms out. OR she goes into sensory overload and doesn't know how to deal with what's happened and leaves anyway.
I don't see a real relationship happening between them but I wouldn't be opposed to see what Jeph would do with it.
No matter what I can see the comic getting very interesting for a while.
Sorry for the long-winded post. It's my first.
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absurdabsurd, you're a being after my own heart. At least in the first part of your post.
To which I will add that there's no difference to me in doing psychoanalysis of Jeph's characters than there is in putting, say, Hamlet on the couch—so to speak. In both cases, what we're really doing is learning, and usually about ourselves. That's the point of drama, comedy and tragedy both, for heaven's sake. You don't get it, go read Aristotle's Poetics.
But I think there's going to be a big problem for Sven. It seems to me from his actions in past strips that Sven actually cares about Faye, about her good opinion, and about her well-being. Which may very well be a completely new situation for him. Of course, depending on how fast Dora finds out about 'last night,' the pain from his beating may distract him for a while.
And what of Marten? Can he say "I have mine and Faye has hers, and 'it's all good'?"
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It'd be awful! Can you imagine QC without angry bitter Faye?
She was not that angry or bitter for the first 300 strips or so.
Can I imagine it? Yes. It would be so much better. Faye has been unlikable for over a year now and had been reduced to "the person that delivers the punchline".
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But I think there's going to be a big problem for Sven. It seems to me from his actions in past strips that Sven actually cares about Faye, about her good opinion, and about her well-being. Which may very well be a completely new situation for him. Of course, depending on how fast Dora finds out about 'last night,' the pain from his beating may distract him for a while.
Would it really be a problem for Sven? I know a big deal is made of his 'smarmosaur attitude' , but as BoisterousFanboy pointed out above this lifestyle was never about taking advantage of women - or, as far as we have seen, they were girls who didn't MIND this state of affairs.
I guess that may be one of the roots of the issue - sex is obviously a big deal to Faye, but to Sven, it's likely to be the natural progression of a relationship (even just friendly). I am not saying that it is not the perfect set-up for some sort of conflict with himself when he realizes he might actually care about her quite a bit, but that is a conflict that would, imho, exist / come about regardless of whether there was sex or not. The only thing I could see it as is a catalyst that may or may not make him more aware of this state of things (if that is the way it is) and thereby speed up complications, but not the problem itself.
And what of Marten? Can he say "I have mine and Faye has hers, and 'it's all good'?"
I am not sure on the Marten deal. I think in his social awkwardness he may well fail to recognize (what we are assuming are) Sven's good intentions. I see awkward Tai consultation resulting in hilarious advice and/or unwelcome mental imagery (FOUR-OHMYGODTHEYAREBROTHERANDSISTEREVERYTHINGISRUINEDFOREVER). No, not really. I remain clueless on Marten; most of his possible courses of action that are not no-action are likely to end in a lot of yelling.
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I'm not suggesting that Sven WASN'T a womanizer, I'm just saying it doesn't seem to me like he's the "player, cheater, user" that Faye assumed him to be. Case in point we've seen past flings of his who weren't mad at him at all.
It's like Sven said when Faye asked him why he only dated blondes and he basically said "I just prefer them and honestly I can afford to be choosey because.. well, I can be. So why shouldn't I use what I have to get what I want?"
And let's be honest most guys would do what Sven does if we could pull it off. Just because he has copious amounts of the sex doesn't mean he's being mean or "using" women. I think he probably is too good looking for his own good and doesn't know how to stand up and tell the truth and be honest sometimes and he's probably ALWAYS gotten by on his good looks and charm so he's never really had to fight a lot of deep, emotional battles. Which is why Faye may just be a good counterpoint to him. It's a typical story but not an outlandish one: The good looking, weak-willed guy is attracted to the strong woman.
I'm more concerned with Marty and I could feel the strip flipping to his perspective because like I said I can't think of ANY guy in Marty's situation who wouldn't have some serious self doubts and be a little pissed off that Faye "chose" Sven to get over her issues with and not him when he was so there and available.
"Oh COME on! HIM! What the HELL MAN!"
I'd pay a visit to the Tequilla monster if I was him.
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yeah i never post but
sven is great hes definatly one of the best characters on the webcomic and unfortunatly seems to fall under harsh criticism
but hes hip! and faye and sven make a fantastic pairing
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I never join forums but I honestly had to join this one. I've been reading QC for a few years now and I've been reading the forums off and on for the last few months..
anyhoo I felt the recent events warranted me throwing down my two cents. Sorry if it's kinda long but I am wordy and have a lot to say.
Faye could have slept with Angus or Sven... and maybe Steve if she really wanted to and he was really drunk or being stupid. Not that I think that would EVER happen I'm just saying there's not a whole mountain of available male characters for her to choose from if she were choosing:
1. Steve is Martens best friend so he'd never go for it and neither would Faye for the same reason (among others)
2. Angus may be an interesting character but I think Faye realizes he's a bit tweaked upstairs and probably more trouble than he's worth even if she DOES think he's good looking
3. Sven.. well, he's Sven. Not to mention Dora's brother, Raven's obsession, and a recovering womanizer.
BUT we've seen Sven's character develop a lot over the last few months and we see that he's not all bad and that he's trying to be a better guy. I would like to point out that just because he's had a lot of sex doesn't mean he's been a bad guy about it. Remember when he first got "on the wagon" and his old sex buddy Eva showed up? She didn't seem scorned in the least and was in fact quite willing to jump back in the sack with him. An opportunity he passed up remember?
Yeah there was that chick he ditched in the bar that night that Faye yelled at him but that event occured to set these events in motion. Anyhoo my point is that just because he's had a lot of sex doesn't mean that he's a bad guy and it doesn't mean that a lot of his "conquests" weren't willing participants in the act and knew exactly what the nature of their hook-up entailed. He's guilty of some poor judgement and he's made some mistakes but hey, who isn't? And he seems genuinely interested in being a better man now.
I don't see this really going anywhere substantial in the long run but I daresay that Sven may have been more interested in this happening then some of us are giving him credit for. Especially in the most recent strip where he very non-chalantly walks out of the bathroom and is all "hey, how are ya, good morning" blah blah. This, to me, is a guy who's very happy with the way things have turned out. Given Faye's past I was expecting a more subdued, concerned reaction from him the next morning. If I was to go all Dr. Drew on this I'd say that Sven idealizes Faye in a way he's not sure how to express. He's a girl he's genuinely interested in spending time with and that might scare him, it might frighten him, and it probably intrigues him. It's the "wanting something you can't have" thing. But now he's "had it" so to speak, and he's been able to express those feelings sexually which aside from music is probably the best way he knows how to.
For Faye's part I think she just got fed up with being guarded and for some reason decided to throw caution to the wind that night. Maybe it was just Sven's comments or the fact that she's gotten to know him, or the fact that he has a safe sort of confidence about him but she decided to take some sort of leap. Time will tell wether it was forward or back. Her reactions in the most recent strip speak like she was crazy drunk the night before (omg last night really happened?) but I don't think that was the case for either of them.
I think this is good for Faye, to let her guard down a bit. If only from the threat of violence from Faye and Dora you know Sven will probably do the right thing, even if that entails doing nothing. There is, of course, the obvious issue of sleeping with your friend/boss' brother. Dora probably won't like this at first (Or Raven but who cares?). And Sven was becoming a decent friend to Faye, there's issues there too. He's been a good friend thus far.
AND if Marty still has a decent pair of testicles I Don't know a guy alive that, given this situation, wouldn't go "Oh COME on! HIM!? You've been hanging out with him for like 5 DAYS! I was your doormat for a YEAR!"
I predict that Faye resumes freaking out and accuses Sven of somehow seducing her, takes no responsibility for her actions and storms out. OR she goes into sensory overload and doesn't know how to deal with what's happened and leaves anyway.
I don't see a real relationship happening between them but I wouldn't be opposed to see what Jeph would do with it.
No matter what I can see the comic getting very interesting for a while.
Sorry for the long-winded post. It's my first.
Bravo!
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I'm not suggesting that Sven WASN'T a womanizer, I'm just saying it doesn't seem to me like he's the "player, cheater, user" that Faye assumed him to be. Case in point we've seen past flings of his who weren't mad at him at all.
It's like Sven said when Faye asked him why he only dated blondes and he basically said "I just prefer them and honestly I can afford to be choosey because.. well, I can be. So why shouldn't I use what I have to get what I want?"
And let's be honest most guys would do what Sven does if we could pull it off. Just because he has copious amounts of the sex doesn't mean he's being mean or "using" women. I think he probably is too good looking for his own good and doesn't know how to stand up and tell the truth and be honest sometimes and he's probably ALWAYS gotten by on his good looks and charm so he's never really had to fight a lot of deep, emotional battles.
I completely agree. I might add that you don't need to limit this description to 'guys'. (I'm a girl but probably most similar to Sven in a lot of aspects). Faye's reaction in today's strip may or may not precipitate a guilt trip.
I do disagree with calling Sven 'weak-minded'. I see him as quite strong-minded and confident, not following the path of least resistance because he can't help himself but doing it because he chooses to, because there is no point (supposedly) in complicating life for yourself. Though I guess this hinges on your definition of weak-minded. It may also just be cowardice in disguise that Faye is about to challenge.
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Sven's never had a reason to follow anything but the easy path.
Faye's giving him reasons. And he's not going to find her easy to keep.
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Wise are you, Kurzon, Sven's free ride seems to be over. Question is, can he adapt to working for something? And is he willing to change that much?
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Ah, but just how hard do you think he's going to have to work? Apparently all he has to do is flash Faye the look or his tushy and she's melting. In fact, I'd love it if in the next comic he flashes "the look" at her just to get her to stop rambling. *smirks* It's almost like a Care Bare stare for guys. The math is pretty easy for me...
Strong-willed lady with a weakness for cute, nay, hawt musicians + Mild-mannered Musician with a weakness for agressive women = ?
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Ah, but just how hard do you think he's going to have to work? Apparently all he has to do is flash Faye the look or his tushy and she's melting. In fact, I'd love it if in the next comic he flashes "the look" at her just to get her to stop rambling. *smirks* It's almost like a Care Bare stare for guys. The math is pretty easy for me...
Strong-willed lady with a weakness for cute, nay, hawt musicians + Mild-mannered Musician with a weakness for agressive women = ?
Sex apparently. And character growth, which everyone knows is the #1-2 reader freakouts
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So...it took me a day to catch that when Sven said "that's a familiar phrase" to Faye saying "oh god, last night happened, oh god, oh god" it was a SEXUAL REFERENCE. Hahaha. Innuendo is LOST on me. I got it finally though. I was spending a long time trying to figure out under what circumstances women would have said to Sven "last night really happened". It wasn't working so well.
I like it when it takes me a while to pick up on thinly veiled humor because it makes it 10 times funnier.
Puns are the best though. Ones that you don't get till you groan 5 minutes later.
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Honestly, I don't think Faye and Sven will just start going out that quickly.
Personally, I think Faye as well as Sven need to work on some stuff before they could even consider the idea of being together.
Faye needs to solve some confidence issues and Sven needs to stop and think and decide if he wants to commit to someone. I don't think he's gonna do it quickly just like that. I could easily see him as the kind of guy that's like "Relationship?! Ah! I need to get the hell out of here!".
As long as they don't end up being the "Let's-break-up-and-get-back-together-every-two-minutes" kind of couple, then I think I can handle anything that happens to them.
P.S. Hanners makes my life.
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Strong-willed lady with a weakness for cute, nay, hawt musicians + Mild-mannered Musician with a weakness for agressive women = ?
Sex apparently. And character growth, which everyone knows is the #1-2 reader freakouts
Readers freaking out even as we speaak. Mostly good freak-outs, though.
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AS IF THEY'RE HOOKING UP AGAIN!!!!
New Theory:
Faye turns into a nympho and Sven lifes happily ever after (cause Faye is a nympho.)....
Kidding.
I don't even know what to make of this comic.
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Sven has to be the smoothest guy on the planet for this to be happening.
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Or, y'know, Faye's just really hot for him.
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Or, y'know, Faye's just really hot for him.
I don't see Sven complaining about Faye's pillow prowess either... I think she's made him a believer in ditching his aim at slim air headed blonds. regardless of the story outcome.
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First post here. I find that this could lead to some good character development for faye in the future since for her to have slept with sven is a miracle in itself since her and marten had that same kind of tension going for far longer yet she didn't leap his bone like she just did sven. hopefully this serves as a confidencce boost to her, allwoing her some better chance at getting over her issues. i doubt anything that might happen in the future with these two will last long though, since i don't think sven is the relationship person and faye wouldn't be anywhere near ready for it yet. sven is a nice guy though and they'll probably remain some kind of friends as they have bonded over time.
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As a few of the posts have pointed out, this is an opportunity for Sven to evolve as a character. I foresee Sven and Faye not getting together in any sort of meaningful relationship, but a physical one at Sven's suggestion. Hey, it works for him and there's sexual chemistry. Then, of course, Faye will start beating herself up about being able to sustain a totally shallow relationship, but not a serious one with a guy she really likes (Marten).
Things will come to a head when Faye gets back on the sauce in a big way, leading to drunken outbursts, and crashing on Sven's couch. Sven, upon seeing how much his physical relationship with Faye has messed her up, will take time to look at the impact of his relationships with women he has 'hit it and quit it' with. Leading to introspection, and growth with an aim of helping Faye get better.
Either that, or if Jeph has an eye for melodramatics, Faye will get pregnant and Sven will run far...far away.
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I'm now kinda worried for them, especially after this last strip.
It basically screams of: "instead of working through our problems, let's just have sex!"
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Or maybe I'm not getting the point because I need to get laid. Hmmm.
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I think this the best thing that could have happened to Faye. An attractive guy wanting her will be a massive confidence boost for her. And even if an actual normal relationship seems unlikely at this stage, Sven does seem to genuinely like and care about her.
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I'm a longtime comic reader and lurker who really had to register to comment THIS. I'll be honest: I like watching characters in QC get better and overcome their problems. It's naive but hell.. it's heart-warming and we need a bit of optimism in this world.
To the point. It was obvious that Faye had a huge crush for Sven and HE never had any problems with her being around.This thing can do them both a lot of good even if it doesn't become permanent.
Also Dora freaking out will be a sight to remember.
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Hmm... why do I have the funny feeling that the others are going to wonder where Faye has been all this time? In which case they'd either grill Hanners or go to Sven's just in case he's seen her.
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I'm now kinda worried for them, especially after this last strip.
It basically screams of: "instead of working through our problems, let's just have sex!"
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Or maybe I'm not getting the point because I need to get laid. Hmmm.
Well... y'gotta work out one vice at a time. When people quit smoking, they chew gum like crazy. Apparently when Faye quits drinking, she needs sex like crazy. At least she's getting exercise like her doctor recommended. Lots of good endorphins to help with depression. Heck, I've often heard it said that a new relationship is better than any illegal or medically perscribed drug out there. And if it's a shallow relationship, it doesn't come with the "low" or withdrawel phase. Seems to be just what the doctor ordered.
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Does anyone else think that maybe Faye will feel severely disappointed if nothing relationship-wise comes out of this? I mean... That's just what I'm thinking.
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anyone else see Sven possibly ending up the one hurt at the end of this? That just occured to me after reading some of the other posts about him being more into her than he's letting on...i don't know if it will go that route b/c with faye's issues the hurt is definitely coming, but i can see Sven ending up the most hurt when they do get around to figuring stuff out
just a thought
and btw, to the people talking about being slow on the uptake about the familar phrase, yeah i was slow too...and i'm usually not when it comes to sex ;)
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I posted this in WCT but I think it belongs here more.
Remember when Faye, Dora, and Raven went to see Sven play at a bar one night? (Strip #519) Sven was starting his set and he says something like "I'm here to sing songs about ladies and more ladies.. this first song is titled "Saw you in a coffee.. uh...um.." and Raven was flashing him so he trails off and he never finishes but I think we can ASSUME (as I think we all did, I know I did) that the title was "Saw you in a coffee shop" or something simila to thatr.
I didn't really give it much thought at the time or maybe I figured it was about Raven because she was so obviously throwing hereslf at Sven but maybe, just MAYBE it was about Faye? Looking back on it now it may be a stretch but anyone else have the same thought? It's possible that Sven's had a thing for Faye for a long time now.
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Yeah, I assumed that was about Faye and he stopped because he saw her there, and then saw Raven.
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I was just wondering, when does Faye first meet Sven?
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Faye first met Sven in http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=329 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=329). Going by Darkbluerabbit's timeline, that means she's known him for about a month.
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Pffft, they're just gonna be one of those really annoying physical couples....
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Faye first met Sven in http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=329 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=329). Going by Darkbluerabbit's timeline, that means she's known him for about a month.
Wait, there's TIME in the comic?! Haha. It feels like forever but it's not...ah the world of fiction.
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The whole timescale was worked out by an admirably/worringly commited fan in this thread. (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,17911.0.html) Got to respect someone who'll crunch the numbers for our interest.
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Wow, yeah that timetable thing is INSANE. how long has it been for us, and for them?? JEeeezh somethings fishy there. But yeah I guess Faye doesn't want a relationship with Sven? I could still see something happening eventually...maybe they will get used to the sexual part and move into a romantic part? Or something close to romance, anyway.
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"Nice" detail is the scar on Faye's right breast. Got me thinking, from where did that come from? Couple of hundreds comics back, I refreshed my memory: from the semi-suicidal car crash. Really strange from Jeph to point that character detail out in the bed-talk-after-sex scene. :|
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I personally find it highly comical that she is a) either still wearing her glasses, or b) has put them back on already.
Anyway: and reality hits; bubble of time burst.
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Can someone clarify have I missed something in the QC storyline? Whats with the scar on Faye's breast?
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hasn't been revealed. Marten discovered it on accident while walking in on Faye as she was dressing and was in BRA!.
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Simultaneous nervous breakdown & car accident right after her dad's suicide.
Strip references buried somewhere in the monster WCT thread, buh.
I'd almost suggest it'd save you time to start reading the archive from strip one...
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i'd guess its been at least two or three months since sven and faye met actually, based roughly on hair growth. this might be a bizarre way to timeline things, but its how i know how old a picture of my sister or i is, and so i was kind of just figuring its been a couple months because sven's hair is obviously much longer than the first time they met. ( http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=329 )
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anyone else see Sven possibly ending up the one hurt at the end of this?
Not really. Maybe. Maybe pointlessly guilty. Well, you know, besides being hurt by Dora's fists.