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Fun Stuff => ENJOY => Topic started by: will: wanton sex god on 24 Sep 2007, 18:06
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whos watching, lets talk about it.
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D: Sorry. The reason I posted it there rather than here was I thought it'd be a pretty unserious topic with a lot of "holy shit at what just happened" as it went minute by minute. Anyhow, thanks for whoever moved it. Also, hooray for Matt being alive or hooray for matt being alive. I'm seriously gonna work on the capitalization thing. I thinkit has to do with me posting mostly in the "I like fish" forum where the topics arent so serious. That's sort of a lame excuse, but if I am talking about something I think is more of a serious issue, I tend to worry and think more about those things.
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Watching it!
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Effin' A Cotton, effin' A.
Seriously good premiere, though the real weakness of this series is that they have so many differen't plotlines that they can't really focus on one or another for long enough periods of time to garner true satisfaction from it, and really its only worth it once you can watch a few episodes at a time. I just feel like I'm developing some sort of condition where I'm always on the edge of my seat waiting for a new revelation to come with the little kazoo noise in the background.
Other than that I've got no complaints, I watch this show religiously. Oh crap, Journeyman's on, time to turn the T.V. off. I refuse to become a couch potato for the new season of prime time programming.
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I'm looking forward to what Hiro's going to do. Is he going to make the other guy do it or will he step into his hero's role and do it himself? Also, I thought it was funny when Mr. Bennet twisted the guy's arm to make him stop being a dick. Tee hee. I'm sure they'll get better pacing as the season goes, but it's the premiere and they had some lose ends to address.
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I wish I had training to be a secret agent so i could do that to my manager. And alsoTrue, very true, but I wish they'd just do a couple of story arcs an episode to pace it even better, though I suppose that would mean a lot of info lost and, gah. So we've got another flier, who in my opinion looks like he could be Nathan's son too, which is kind of wierd and campy.
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^ Yeah the first thing I thought was that he could be Nathan's song. Hope there's no incestual shit with Claire. Or maybe I hope there is for irony, haha. I'm interested in what Maya's power is. Essplode yur hart?
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apparently it makes your eyes turn black with some black liquid that pours out as if tears of blood.
She stabs people in the eye with a fountain pen, that's her effing power.
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nice fountain pen reference.
Dude, George Takai (sp?)'s character is dead !
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^ I'm not asking rhetorically, but did they actually show him as dead? Because a lot of people who looks dead aren't. Also if this guy is out to kill him, I imagine he is kidna cool and able to defend himself. I just hope I guess. Takei rules.
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Well, as we've seen with the "King Midas" guy, "I hear good" woman, Old Syler, and the cop is that not all of the heroes have offensive or defensive capabilities. Maybe George Takai had rolled bad on the "powers dice".
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^ Oh no, I never meant to imply that he wasn't dead, just that he might not be, just as well as he might be. Who's the hear really well person? The mechanic Sylar zapped in season 1?
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Ahhhhh... at laaaassst...
I am kinda pleased :D so far, the only changes I really feel negatively about is the addition of those Mexican siblings. Feels like there will be too much whining and melodrama in that arc. I didn't like that assface at Claire's school, but I'm hoping it will be like when I didn't like Sylar, and that the assface will turn out to be a cool character. I'm a bit doubtful about... Kensei... but hey, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt! Hope they don't end up undoing all of Hiro's cool, though.
What they seem to have done with Peter and Nathan, well, I think that's half-cool and half shit. I do know I already dislike that Irish gang, and am really not looking forward to another half season of Peter trying to discover who he is.
Best thing so far, I think, is what they've done with Bennett, Suresh, Parkman, and Molly! Bennett at Copy Kingdom was awesome, and Parkman and Suresh both feel a lot more authentic to me now. I think their acting's improved or something :o
The greatest disappointment for me was the absence of Sylar. I had been looking forward to seeing him because of that DAMNED TRAILER!! :mad: but it was okay, the cheerleaders were kinda cute enough to make up for it.
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Yeah, the semi-butch one (no offense to anyone)
Also, the little girl's ability is passive, Anyway.. It seems that since everything is revolving around a "evoloution" theme, I think all of the old heroes have more minor powers then the new heroes.
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Ahhhhh... at laaaassst...
I am kinda pleased :D so far, the only changes I really feel negatively about is the addition of those Mexican siblings. Feels like there will be too much whining and melodrama in that arc. I didn't like that assface at Claire's school, but I'm hoping it will be like when I didn't like Sylar, and that the assface will turn out to be a cool character. I'm a bit doubtful about... Kensei... but hey, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt! Hope they don't end up undoing all of Hiro's cool, though.
I don't think theyre actually from Mexico, but some other Central America country. I agree with most of the rest of your post though.
I agree with whoever mentioned the acting has improved as well. i think the characters have had more time to flesh out a bit as well.
The part that kinda struck me as a line where the proudcers were trying to tell me something, rather than the character's dialogue, was when he took the glasses guy against the wall and was all (not verbatim) "months ago blah blah i was timid, but now blahblah roar) I feel like theyre shoving Suresh becoming a manly change man down our throats.
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Oh yes, a Heroes topic. This is good because I can't seem to get my room mates to watch it.
I don't know if I really care about Hiro so far in this season. He was awesome last season, but now he's so seperated from what's going on (being in the past at all), that whenever his scenes came up I just wanted them to hurry up and get back to the real thing. But it is kinda funny that Kensei isn't really a hero or even Japanese.
Also, I want to see George Takai and Mrs. Petrelli's powers! I've been waiting since last season to see what they are! Well assuming that Mrs. Petrelli's power isn't being a massively cold-hearted bitch.
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I don't know, that sword and symbol are extremely relevant to the story, so I think what Hiro is doing has more with the plot than say, Claire and Mr. Benett, who are out in California. And plus Hiro is awesome on the simple fact that he is the one most likely to become the first publicly known out of any of them I think. He wants to be a classical super hero, and everyone else is concerned with hiding. I want effing costumes!! Sorry, was that an outburst of nerdy? I believe it was.
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When do they put on their X-men matching costumes? And where's Jean Grey?
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Sylar is like a cross between Jean Grey and Rogue, but nowhere near as hot as such a cross would be :o
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dude,
Peter Petrelli's brother (I forgot his name) is basically a rogue rip off.
Though, he is kinda hotter...
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I think you're thinking of Peter himself. His brother, Nathan has the ability to fly. Peter pretty much takes the powers of whoever is in his range, and he will be able to use it if he actually knows he has it.
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Yeah, uh, Nathan Petrelli's powers pretty much consist of flying and growing impressive facial hair.
And Rogue is way hotter, pfft.
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his brother is a little more like Ms. Marvel in this situation...only Peter didn't make his brother lose his powers.
This comparison is a gender-bender
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So now Nathan is infused with the genetic traits of an alien species giving him invulnerability, flight and super strength?
People, if you're going to make comparisons or shout "rip-off," at least have some basic knowledge of the comic book characters you're citing.
Superhero comics as we know them have been around for just shy of seventy years now. Pretty much every superpower that CAN be used, HAS been used. Rip-off is a pretty harsh word when there's just about nothing left to be invented. There isn't a single power on the show that hasn't shown up somewhere before. The vast majority of the powers have come from the last forty-four years of X-Men, though. With how many mutants they've had running around, pretty much every conceivable interesting power has been covered (And many uninteresting ones, shit, that Midas' touch power was used in X-Factor way back in the eighties).
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man, I think we're kidding around. At least, I am. Maybe someone else was serious and I misread it for joketalk.
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Oh, I guess I did mean peter, I'll edit that post later..
And I'm half joking half serious on the comparisons to rogue. His is more long term and he doesnt kill anyone in the process of power stealing.
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What if Hiro takes over the role of Kensei, pretending to be him, and does the things that the legends say?
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I think you may have just discovered what's going to happen! For some reason, that seems the most likely...and just what Heroes would do
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I can see that
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Honestly, I've seen that possibility coming since the entire Kensei legend was brought up in the first place. I'm kind of hoping they don't go that way as it just smacks of Army or Darkness/Legacy of Kain ripoff.
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Also: Peter got rid of his goofy looking long hair.
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I think he cut it off and stuck it on Nathan's face.
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I liked peters hair!
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*Sigh* Oh, well.
Also: Excellent X-Men reference at the crime scene. "Hope you survive."
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I died a little inside when peter put on that ugly plaid shirt...
So, that one annoying highschool guy saw cheerleader regrow her pinky toe!
and I think that little girl is attacking people in her dreams...
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Actually, I think we're either dealing with a few of the old guard or an empath, like Peter. It seems to me that, whoever attacked Angela was quite probably invisible and whoever attacked Kaito could either teleport or heal fast, hence the quick escape. If they're the same person, I think we're dealing with the latter.
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Didn't Claire lose a finger in the first season, to a garbage disposal? It didn't grow back... Haha, not that it matters, but holes are fun to spot.
Also, the Irish chick's accent is totally hot.
I liked seeing Peter in an action sequence. Oddly enough, we don't really get many of those.
I thought my idea was spot-on when Hiro took over for Kensai, but then the "godsend" scene happened.
I was close though!
These are my jarbled thoughts of the episode directly after I watched it.
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Okay so does Kensei have Claire's power from the beginning (how could he not have known about it?? :o), or is he like Peter, someone who absorbs powers?? Will he shed more light on Claire's ability? Is he skulking around killing Japanese businessmen?? Are all the Heroes his descendants?? Will the black-bearded Japanese fellow become a regular feature??? Meh. At least I don't find Kensei irritating anymore.
I wish I could say the same for Maya and Alejandro, grrr!!! What are they doing, setting her up to kill the new bad-guy?? So not worth a whole season of weepy Spanish over-acting!
And oh yeah, speaking of over-acting... god damn it, why the damn' Irish gang?? Why?? Why couldn't they cater to just one group at a time? The exaggerated accents, the cutesy way of talking... as if more episodes of Peter being dazed and confused wasn't bad enough.
And oh. Peter. Thank GOD he lost the hair. And I'm sure the fans appreciated getting to see his torso for a whole episode :o :o I just hope he becomes cool again very quickly.
I really can't decide how I feel about the new season. I do know I'm v. happy Bennett and the Haitian are together again though :o
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Claire is the greatx(however many fathers) granddaughter of kensei. Probably, definately
I dont like the spainish people either... They're powers are too mystical for the whole theme and setting of the show. (A.K.A genetics, evoloution, scientific stuffs)
Am I the only one that didnt hate his hair!? And yes, I loved the torso scenes. The oiled torso scenes -drools-
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(http://www.heroesrevealed.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/02.jpg)
Promo image from the next ep... a message from Hiro to Ando??
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totally man!
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I thought last night's episode was pretty good. I do think there are too many independent storylines going on right now, but hopefully this will resolve itself. I'm actually enjoying Mr. Bennett so far this season as well.
The 'insert quote' function appears to be failing, but I wanted to quote ThatWittyGeek's speculation on who the boogeyman might be. I suspect one of two things:
1) Papa Petrelli (someone we haven't met yet)
2) Molly
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Didn't Claire lose a finger in the first season, to a garbage disposal? It didn't grow back... Haha, not that it matters, but holes are fun to spot.
She didn't lose a finger, her hand was just mangled.
And considering insert quote not working, I'll have to do this shit manually, it seems:
Okay so does Kensei have Claire's power from the beginning (how could he not have known about it?? ), or is he like Peter, someone who absorbs powers?? Will he shed more light on Claire's ability? Is he skulking around killing Japanese businessmen?? Are all the Heroes his descendants??.
Look at Kensei's characterization. I find it entirely feasible that he had that healing power all along and just never realized it. He's a coward and a fraud and avoids legitimate danger at all turns. I also doubt they're all descendants of him.
I really can't decide how I feel about the new season.
I should hope not, it's all of two episodes in. It's just barely establishing the ongoing plot of the volume.
Claire is the greatx(however many fathers) granddaughter of kensei. Probably, definately
Probably, definitely, unlikely. They've already tied her to the Petrellis, I'd like to have enough faith in the writers to assume that they're not going to make this all one big incestual "everyone is related to everyone" mess of shit. Beyond that, the writers have outright stated that the powers are kind of a crapshoot and one's family has no bearing on it (I.E. Phasing + Super Strength = Mechanical Empathy; Flight + Pyrokinesis=Spontaneous Regeneration).
I dont like the spainish people either... They're powers are too mystical for the whole theme and setting of the show. (A.K.A genetics, evoloution, scientific stuffs)
They've barely scratched the idea of their powers, how can you judge that they're "too mystical?" I didn't see anything mystical about them. She seems to produce a virus and he seems capable of subduing and absorbing said virus. All the "evil" and "cursed" crap is more a product of the South American culture they're from. South/Central America has a very religious culture, moreso than North America, where most of the show has taken place so far.
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She didn't lose a finger, her hand was just mangled.
I could've sworn there was a scene where their dog Mr. Muggles, had her finger or something.
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Nope, nothing like that ever happened. I doubt that'd get by the FCC on a live-action network TV show anyway. The closest thing was that her hand was dripping blood after it happened and Mr. Muggles licked some off the floor.
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Just saw the episode tonight on the internet, missed it Monday.
Yeah, the first thought I had when I saw Kensei regenerate was "oh shit! Claire's ancestor!" True its highly unlikely, but at the same time they are both blonde and blue-eyed, and so is Claire's mother. But yeah, probably not.
And hot damn Peter is kicking some ass, and he's really only doing it reflexively. And, its still getting me that he doesn't have the scar, anyone really notice that part yet?
Sylar is in the next episode!! woooo
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pretty much loving the new series here in the UK, its quite funny because theyre on like Episode 14 of Series 1 on the BBC, so all the dolomite casual watchers at college are shitting bricks when me and my friends (avid www.tv-links.co.uk watchers) come into college with the down low on the new series.
am looking forward to some clues on whats going on with the elders (Petrelli, Nakamura) etc. and hopefully the storylines will start merging again soon so we wont have to face all the confusion.
oh and i'm totally on board with comments regarding whiny black-eyed latino girl and her constant promise making/breaking brother-of-the-white-hands. i hope their over-acting gets them killed.
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I thought Peter's scar only had to do with the future that dealt with Hiro going all vigilante.
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I honestly have no clue as to that Linds.
Oh, and I didn't mention this before, but even though Mrs. Petrelli is kindof an evil bitch, I don't want her to die... Why is that?
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I think its because the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and I'm interested to see what her good intentions are/were. I think she means well, she's just a bitch. Except for the whole blow up New York idea. That was pretty bad.
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I thought Peter's scar only had to do with the future that dealt with Hiro going all vigilante.
I thought it was the fact that he blew up, and seeing as he blew up both times it makes sense for him to have the scar.
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I only want Mrs. Petrelli to survive until I know what she can do. Then she can die.
That's a lie, I sort of want her to live too.
Maybe we got to see a clue to it this episode? When she told the cop to get out of her head?
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Posted by: Baggy
"Maybe we got to see a clue to it this episode? When she told the cop to get out of her head?"
I dont think so. I think it means she definately knows whats going on, and that she knows that there is someone who can read minds. I think all she did was think "GET OUT OF MY HEAD"
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I thought Peter's scar only had to do with the future that dealt with Hiro going all vigilante.
I thought it was the fact that he blew up, and seeing as he blew up both times it makes sense for him to have the scar.
Ah. I have no idea, really. I thought he'd gotten it from Sylar. Maybe we'll find out when he remembers what happened to him.
Did Peter have that blue projectile power last season? I don't remember it.
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Yeah me neither. Maybe, whoever put him in that box like...secretly implanted more powers in his memory subconsciously somehow.
"Maybe we got to see a clue to it this episode? When she told the cop to get out of her head?"
I dont think so. I think it means she definately knows whats going on, and that she knows that there is someone who can read minds. I think all she did was think "GET OUT OF MY HEAD"
What I was getting at is that maybe her power is just being able to identify other peoples powers, or something of that nature.
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About Peter's scar:
I'm pretty sure in the apocalyptic future, Peter didn't save the cheerleader, so therefore no regeneration abilities.
Peter heals now, so no scars.
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Yeah me neither. Maybe, whoever put him in that box like...secretly implanted more powers in his memory subconsciously somehow.
"Maybe we got to see a clue to it this episode? When she told the cop to get out of her head?"
I dont think so. I think it means she definately knows whats going on, and that she knows that there is someone who can read minds. I think all she did was think "GET OUT OF MY HEAD"
What I was getting at is that maybe her power is just being able to identify other peoples powers, or something of that nature.
I dont think so, I think she just might be intelligent. But hey, anythings possible
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I just assumed the blue balls were a modification of Ted's power...
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What is with peter and those grodie shirts!? They're all like, plaid/flanel ugly shirts.
Anyway, this last episode was lame.
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What is with peter and those grodie shirts!? They're all like, plaid/flanel ugly shirts.
He woke up in a crate with naught but a pair of pants. He's living off shirts borrowed from Irish mobsters. I doubt he's got much choice in the matter.
Anyway, this last episode was lame.
I disagree. I completely and absolutely disagree.
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About Peter's scar:
I'm pretty sure in the apocalyptic future, Peter didn't save the cheerleader, so therefore no regeneration abilities.
Peter heals now, so no scars.
That's pretty much what I was assuming. Since they saved Claire, there is no future with vigilante Hiro and scarred Peter.
Also, was anyone else like WTF when Peter didn't open the box? I mean, if you had all these crazy super powers and amnesia, wouldn't you want some answers?
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The factor of Claire didn't contribute to the scar. As was noted and covered in Five Years Gone, Peter still had the scar after saving Claire. The producers, in a recent interview on CBR, stated that the scar could always show up later.
In terms of not opening the box, the rationale he used has been covered in places before. One of the biggest fears is fear of the unknown (Which stems into many other fears, such as darkness, death; all things that are unknown in a way) and he fears what he may find out.
A good example is the character Wolverine from the X-Men comics. For most of his life, he's been suffering from amnesia. Never knowing what his past was really like, yet always afraid that if he ever found out the truth, that it would be a truth he couldn't handle. Given, it didn't stop him from eventually seeking said truth, but the fear was always there. I find this episode did a good job of putting forth this viewpoint.
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Re: Peter's Blue Power
Most likely obtained from the last encounter with Syler (sp?). In that 'what could of been' episode, Peter's bluish lightning faced off against his red lightning. I'm sure they're the same power.
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Nope. Watch it again, that wasn't lightning. Peter was emitting flame from his hands (Possibly Ted's power as he admittedly blew up NY and must've had said power, but also possibly Meredith's power) and Sylar was using his ice.
The blue lightning is to be addressed very soon. Anyone who's curious, spoiler warning now:
Kristen Bell of Veronica Mars will be guest starring as a woman named Elle who is presently hunting Peter. The solicits for the episode list her as being an "electrifying" new character.
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Peter heals now, so no scars.
This kind of why I wasn't surprised when his tattoo started to disappear. But I was intrigued by it morphing as it did so.
I am looking forward to how Claire deals with her dad now that her new boyfriend or whatever told her about what happened. I really started to like Mr. Bennett, and now she seems to be all angsty again and there's a possibility he'll die. Boo.
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Ewww . . Mr. Bennett neeeds to die.
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Also, was anyone else like WTF when Peter didn't open the box?
Didn't you notice it was the sexy time? No time to open memory boxes.
Also, I kind of assumed the lightning he was shooting was from someone nearby. Say, Caitlin for example.
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Im kinda pissed that sylar took that illusionist girl's powers. She'd be an interesting character.
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She was an interesting character last season, although I was pissed that they replaced Missy Peregrym for the role anyway so I'm kinda glad they killed her off.
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Also, I kind of assumed the lightning he was shooting was from someone nearby. Say, Caitlin for example.
Interesting idea. While I don't think she'd keep it a secret from Peter once she saw what he could do (or that her brother wouldn't know about it, for that matter) it seemed strange that she pretty much just accepted that Peter had these abilities.
I want something to happen with Ando. I like his character. If the only part he plays is reading messages from Hiro...that's annoying and dumb.
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agreed!
Omfgs its on tonight!!
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I'm glad there was minimal hiro shit this episode. Want to see what's going on with "knows-how-to-do-shit-after-seeing-it-once girl.
ahhaa she 619'd a bitch.
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To be honest, I was sorry that Peter's and Hiro's stories weren't progressed at all (even though, it looks like most of the next episode will be about Peter).
What is Sylar planning though? What point is it to know his companion's powers and such if he can't even use them anymore?
Also, if the little girl that tracks people (forget her name) is afraid of tracking Bob, why not just track Parker's father? or vice versa? I mean, in case he didn't want to risk it.
Finally, in case I missed something, since when did Nathan get separated and now is no longer to see his kids?
I hope imitation girl goes kung-fu on a roomful of henchmen monks or something.
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I kinda liked the other "learning girl" more than this one. The other one had a more cute/interesting personality than this one... though she didnt kick as much ass.
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Did anyone else notice the similarity of molly's nightmare guy to the eye of sauron. "I see you!" it even used the same voice.
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I'm glad there was minimal hiro shit this episode. Want to see what's going on with "knows-how-to-do-shit-after-seeing-it-once girl.
Two words: photographic reflexes. Same idea as the Marvel villain Taskmaster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taskmaster#Powers_and_abilities).
I kinda liked the other "learning girl" more than this one. The other one had a more cute/interesting personality than this one... though she didnt kick as much ass.
Two completely different powers. Charlie had eidetic memory, basically a photographic memory. It's been theorized that the human brain has the legitimate potential to perform this one and some people have exhibited a vague extent of it. Basically, she just sees and remembers everything. Monica, however, has photographic reflexes, making her able to mimic actions she has seen.
Two vaguely similar, but in effect different powers.
What is Sylar planning though? What point is it to know his companion's powers and such if he can't even use them anymore?
He presently can't use them. As Candice pointed out, his powers will return in time, but he's presently in rough shape.
Also, if the little girl that tracks people (forget her name) is afraid of tracking Bob, why not just track Parker's father? or vice versa? I mean, in case he didn't want to risk it.
Molly. In terms of your question, though, that's assuming that Bob and Parkman's father are together at all times, which is highly unlikely and a rather odd presumption to make. I know I sure as Hell am not with my coworkers at all times. Beyond that, Molly's afraid of tracking Parkman's father, not Bob. Mohinder would have no trouble getting ahold of Bob on his own, it's Parkman's dad that's the problem.
Finally, in case I missed something, since when did Nathan get separated and now is no longer to see his kids?
It happened in the four month gap. Not only was this established in the first episode of the season, it was mentioned repeatedly in this past episode.
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What is Sylar planning though? What point is it to know his companion's powers and such if he can't even use them anymore?
He presently can't use them. As Candice pointed out, his powers will return in time, but he's presently in rough shape.
I thought he's got his power back? The clock ticking means he has his power back. I'm sure.
What a waste of an awesome power killing the illusions girl.
I think the last episode is better than most of the beginning of the season so far.
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hmm, never thought of it that way 0bie.
My Dad has a theory that the flying highschool douche killed Hiro's Father. They have the same body size and that explains why there was no murderer AND that kid is known for flying to distant locations very fast.
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Is anyone else convinced that the Veronica Mars chick is going to get Heroes canceled?
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It would explain a lot if the flying kid was the murderer. It would certainly explain the picture of Claire's father dead. By the way speaking which I assume her father thinks she's being comforted by the murderer, when I'm sure that won't be the circumstance.
And the future has been changed before, that guy is way too cool to die!
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Ah, but remember...that was painting 8/8. Presumably Isaac painted them in the order they're (supposedly) going to happen. Otherwise, why would the numbering matter?
What I'm trying to say is that Bennet dying won't become an issue until the end of the season. We still have 6 other paintings to discover and "experience."
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Actually, more like mid-season. Volume Two is going to be between seven and ten episodes long (The writers said seven in an interview last week and I'm not sure if they meant seven left in the volume, considering this interview was after episode 3, or seven total in the volume). Basically, the primary plot elements of this volume (The eight Mendez paintings, Hiro in Japan, Peter in Ireland, the murder mystery) should be wrapped up mid-season to move on to the next volume.
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I just assumed the blue balls were a modification of Ted's power...
Peter's newest power is Electromagnetism, causing lighting and such.
over all I'm still psych to see where this season goes,
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how does he already have it, unless he met the blonde girl beforehand somehow within that four months we're missing.
And cool with Matt's powers, gives him the potential to become a much greater force in the future and subsequently probably the only person who can stop The Nightmate Man, aka his father. I like Matt for some reason, even though his character is so unlikeable.
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I do think that blonde chick put Peter in that shiping contenment.
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Matt the cop can insert thoughts into peoples heads!
That makes him like 50 times cooler.
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how does he already have it, unless he met the blonde girl beforehand somehow within that four months we're missing.
I'd like to say that comes off as pretty obvious, why else would she be hunting him? It looks as if she works for the company, considering rumors that the Haitian is involved in his memory loss and she mentions a company. They've tried to bag and tag Peter before, after all (In the episode "Unexpected").
And cool with Matt's powers, gives him the potential to become a much greater force in the future and subsequently probably the only person who can stop The Nightmate Man, aka his father. I like Matt for some reason, even though his character is so unlikeable.
What's unlikeable about Matt? He's always been one of my favorite characters.
On the subject of his powers, it looks like it's expanding to full fledged telepathy. He can read and project thoughts, who wants to start placing bets on whether or not he develops a capability to outright control thoughts eventually?
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That would be cool, especially if he becomes more powerful than his father, who appears to be a complete dick.
About the blonde chick - I'm sure Peter absorbed her powers, as she's the only one so far to have any electricity based powers. Any thoughts on who her "Daddy" is? I'm wondering if it's Bob or someone else that is in the original picture.
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I like Matt for some reason, even though his character is so unlikeable.
I agree. I think I just like him because he was Weiss on Alias.
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It would explain a lot if the flying kid was the murderer. It would certainly explain the picture of Claire's father dead. By the way speaking which I assume her father thinks she's being comforted by the murderer, when I'm sure that won't be the circumstance.
And the future has been changed before, that guy is way too cool to die!
If it was the flying kid, then why did Hiro's friend saw someone get up and run away from the floor?
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Omg I like this show again!! Finally! :D :D Parkman's dad, sooo coool... Peter, shaping up again... Nathan also cool... even Mohinder... and mmmm Veronica Mars... :D good thing the writers left out claire, the mexicans, and Hiro (for the most part) this time. The only problem is that means they'll probably get an ep all to themselves, and that ep will royally suck!!
PS. Why didn't Parkman have uber mind-powers in the future??
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well that was one glimpse of a possible future for Matt, a new possible for Matt is some uber telepath.
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sort of bumping this, i hope nobody has lost interest!
who the hell is Adam Monroe and what actually happened at the end of last nights episode?
anybody else worried that Monica (muscle mimic girl) is going to turn into some kind of lame crime-fighting have-a-go?
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Nah, this thread generally quiets down and is then revisited at the beginning of the week.
I like Monica. I would probably fight some crime if I could watch some Jet Li or Jackie Chan and then go out and kick some ass.
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I don't predict alot of crime fighting for Monica. I predict she will use her new iPod to learn how to build houses and she will single-handedly fix New Orleans and embarass the shit out of George Bush for doing his job for him. She will then be elected president, end the war in Iraq, and discontinue all non-electric cars. The day is saved! .....in a sort of roundabout way.
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who the hell is Adam Monroe and what actually happened at the end of last nights episode?
It's called a cliffhanger, good sir. According to some of the additional materials on the internet (Comics, 360 Experience, Primatech website, etc), Adam Monroe might be one of the original twelve. My guess is he's Elle's father and has a similar adaptive power to Peter and is the one killing off the others.
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I watch this show, then forget what happens like, a day after its aired.
Maybe we should have someone summarize the good plot points?
Anyway, Of what I do remember. Peter is still hot, the cute flying guy fucked with that bitchy cheerleader, the spainish plot is still uninteresting, and I feel bad for the english samurai.
Though, I do find it interesting that Nikki is going to babysit Dr.Suresh from now on.
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Umm...they do a recap before just about every episode...that just sounds like a personal problem to me.
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I was kind of hoping they'd give her something to get rid of her power. Because it's stupid and I've never liked her character.
I don't think I like that Mr. Bennett is kind of going back to his old self. I was beginning to like him because he was becoming a better person, but now he's kind of going backwards. And I'm sick of Sylar and I hope the hispanic dude lets him die next time.
I kind of feel bad for Hiro now, though. I doubt he'd get killed or whatever, but I don't want the british guy to have another reason to try to.
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I don't see how Bennett is "returning to his old self." He never really changed. Remember, at the end of season one, he was outright willing to kill Molly to protect Claire. Molly, an innocent, eleven year old girl. He damn near broke his new boss's hand over a coffee break. Killing a company employee who he just happened to be close with over a decade ago to protect his family is hardly surprising, to me. He's never been much of a humanitarian, his only real redeeming quality as a person is his willingness to do anything to protect the ones he truly loves.
That said, we should consider ourselves lucky he's even still around. Bennett wasn't originally supposed to last through the first half of season one, but Coleman tested so well with audiences that they made him a full cast member.
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It wasn't shooting the guy, I think, but what he was telling Mohinder to do. I don't really know why I started to like him in the first place anymore, but I know I'm starting to not to again.
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I was kind of hoping they'd give her something to get rid of her power. Because it's stupid and I've never liked her character.
Assuming you're talking about Nikki, I SO agree. I'm kind of unclear on if Jessica still comes out or not. I thought that problem was symbolically taken care of last season when she had to kick Linderman's ass, but she still acts like Jessica sometimes. Is Jessica still around, or has she just integrated Jessica and Nikki together?
Anyway, that being said, they're both super annoying. I was hoping that getting "cured" was a way of easing her off of the show, especially since Micah isn't with her anymore.
And man oh man do I wish that Kensei plot would end.
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i like this show...
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Well, I do realize theres a recap. But it just doesnt seem to suffice!
I dont like Jessicas character either. Her alter ego is too arrogantly cocky and herself is too much of a push over. Maybe its just the actress, or maybe its the writers..
either way I dont like her.
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I think part of its the actress, I really don't like her for some reason.
And damn it all to hell if the characters aren't giving into their darker sides. That's annoying, I want heroes damnit, not angsty people with issues and stuff.
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guys relax we only 7 episodes in, we still got 17 episodes to go.
besides we cant have happy people who are glad to have powers, we need the angsty.
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I was watching the Heroes post-show last night on G4, and they interviewed the guy who plays Mr. Bennet. When they asked him who Adam Monroe was, he said that he was someone who we've seen before "in some form."
Here's my theory:
I think Adam Monroe is Kensei. I think that Hiro disrupted the space/time continuum by going back in time, and is going to end up kind of taking Kensei's place in history. I'll bet that those with the regeneration power don't age or something once their powers manifest, so now he is some kind of bad guy in the present. I also think that the Veronica Mars girl with the lightning power may be his daughter.
I might be waaaay off base here, but I wanted to post it before tomorrow's episode.
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UGH! (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Strike-Fallout-Heroes/800026358)
Good and bad news. The good news is that the writers thought ahead enough to have written the season into two separate volumes, so season ten will have the potential for a clean breakpoint. Unfortunately, this stupid fucking writers' strike is all-encompassing, so this basically means that they've had to reshoot an alternate ending to try and make the end of this volume more suitable as a season finale and will be the end of Heroes (And pretty much every other network show) for the time being.
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That kind of sucks. But if it's between my entertainment and the writers getting what they want/need, I support the writers. But I'll still be kind of sad if it's not on after December, as this show is one of the few good ones on right now.
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Personally, from what few details I've gathered, I side with the studios. The entire idea of royalties has always rubbed me wrong and it's not like the writers are writing anything more than what they're being paid to write. The people being hurt most by this are the consumers.
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Other than the fact most writers aren't paid jack compared to how much the masses buy/read/see their work.
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OH, SNAP!
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I think as most people who watched hereos tonight had a nerdgasm at the end and at the preview of next week ep.
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OH, SNAP!
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I was watching the Heroes post-show last night on G4, and they interviewed the guy who plays Mr. Bennet. When they asked him who Adam Monroe was, he said that he was someone who we've seen before "in some form."
Here's my theory:
I think Adam Monroe is Kensei. I think that Hiro disrupted the space/time continuum by going back in time, and is going to end up kind of taking Kensei's place in history. I'll bet that those with the regeneration power don't age or something once their powers manifest, so now he is some kind of bad guy in the present. I also think that the Veronica Mars girl with the lightning power may be his daughter.
I might be waaaay off base here, but I wanted to post it before tomorrow's episode.
HOLY FUCK
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OH, SNAP!
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OH, SNAP!
-on a side note, that whole de-contamination sequence was HOT-
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I'm anxious to see if I'm right about Elle being his daughter.
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Holy shit, I can't fucking believe that Kensei is fucking Adam. I mean I can, but I can't.
This was the best episode I've seen so far, personally.
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who here thinks Adam killed Kaito (Hiro's Father) and probaby will try t kill Ando too?
and Hiro is Takezo Kensei because it was all done by Hiro more or less.
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Well, he's the literary figure of Takezo Kensei, but Adam is the actual "historical" one who named himself it. And its already been said, Adam used people like Matt's father to do his dirty work, he's the visionary. Especially since so far as we know he and Claire are the same, as in they can regenerate. Who knows though, maybe he has some other tricks up his sleeve? Parkman's powers are already starting to evolve, so maybe everyone else has limitations beyond what they can dream of. (Pun intended)
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I'm anxious to see if I'm right about Elle being his daughter.
I don't think it goes that far. I get the feeling she's Bob's daughter. Note that she was tracking him for a company, the man she spoke to on the phone was her father and she's seen in previews for next week with Bob.
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Yeah, I'm not so sure about that one anymore. It originally just popped in my head because she said "dad" all mysteriously that one time. It actually makes more sense that she is Bob's daughter after seeing last night's episode (Adam's been locked up, Bob "lost" Peter, etc).
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raisin is a genius, i didnt see that coming at all.
but HOLY SHIT it was good. where's sylar going to be in all of this? anyone think he might switch sides and do some good? either way i'm happy they seem to be pulling all those random story-lines together.
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Maybe Sylar will be like Magneto in X-Men 2 and band together with the good guys to fight a bigger menace (but then double-cross them and go back to murdering).
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Sylar is doing good already :roll:
Didnt you see the comercial!?!
He was planting a tree!
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This episode was brilliant.
props raisin. props.
It was such an amazing episode and sylar wasn't even in it.
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I actually LIKE having so much of the plot be predictable!!!
I loved this ep. Note how every ep without the Mexican siblings rocks.
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The Mexicans will save the day by making Adam bleed from the eyes! You'll see! Actually, I hope Sylar kills them both.
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of them, either. Something about Alejandro's face just bothers me.
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Yeah, they have the power to permanently kill both Sylar and Adam, that's for sure.
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While I think this'll definitely make for an exciting/interesting future for Heroes, does anyone else find Adam/Kensei reeeeeeaaaaalllllly pathetic for holding a grudge for OVER 300 YEARS?! Seriously. Then again...did he know what time period Hiro was from? Maybe he has no idea...and then randomly runs into him and the shock throws a wrench in his whole plan. Heh.
Assuming it's the regenerative abilities that have kept him alive, I wonder how Claire will take that information when she finds out. And Peter, too, when he (re?)discovers it.
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the worst thing you can do to a man is to give him hope, then take away from him, I could see why Adam is pissed at Hiro. Hiro told him that he is a hero, told him that people will remember his actons forever, fall in love the most beatuful girl ever, then when it turns out it doesnt happen, Adam gets pissed.
I doubt that the wonder twins have the power to Adam because get blown up and still is around. I hope Sylar kills them both.
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It's not really like he had a choice anyway, he can't die.
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I don't know if Adam, or Claire, will be able to die unless something happens like what happened to Claire in the first season, when she got something stuck in her head.
I'm glad Parkman's dad is now stuck in his own nightmare. Guy was a douche.
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Personally, from what few details I've gathered, I side with the studios. The entire idea of royalties has always rubbed me wrong and it's not like the writers are writing anything more than what they're being paid to write. The people being hurt most by this are the consumers.
The idea of royalties has a lot to do with the fact that it's the writer's initial creation, their own creative entity, that's getting resold over and over again - and so they should get some of the profits as it gets sold across different mediums. The idea is that below-the-line workers get hourly wages because their work is labor-based and are only needed once. A writer's work, however, creates a new entity that belongs to them. Writers survive on royalties because it takes anywhere from weeks to years to write a script for television or movies. The time is their investment into future profits. Imagine putting money into a stock and having your bank take 99% of the profits, even though it's your initial investment in that stock that helped it grow.
Basically, without royalties the growing profit that lasts for years would only go to the production companies. Directors, writers, and even producers, wouldn't get a penny after their initial wages. These type of workers risk a lot going into a profession where they may only get once chance at a successfully screenplay, and thus are compensated with royalties for their risk. A traditional worker has a more tangible skill that can get them a job anywhere in their field. Writers are a dime a dozen and depend on the growing profits of their creation to survive.
That said, Heroes is definitely making a comeback. I'm extremely happy with the direction it's taking... However, I feel strongly that this strike is important. I'm hoping the actors decide not to cross the picket line until the strike is over, even if it means that we won't get to see the end of this arc. Some writer's kid's college education is a hell of a lot more important than an hour of entertainment.
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True, but I really really really need my Heroes fix.
Maybe this would be a good time to finally rent Firefly on DvD and watch it, I like Space Cowboys too.
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I will miss Heroes, but I would rather the strike end sooner than later because strikes really suck for everyone involved, so I'll just catch up on it when the strike is over.
This is going to probably drive me crazy not knowing what's going on.
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One of the things on my mind lately was Adam's bit about everything Hiro loved being laid to waste.
Hiro loved Charlie; Charlie died. By Sylar...connection? I can't really see any way they could be connected, given the history we've been given, but you never know. There's no way it's just some weird coincidence.
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Pretty average episode.
I dont like that lightning bitch though, I mean... Why would you cut his hair! HE WAS ADORABLE!
Like a little minature, superpowered, angsty Connor Oberst.
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Ugh. THAT is your primary distaste with this episode? For one, Peter looked like an emo tool with that hair and he's become about eight shades more tolerable since losing it.
Beyond that, this was the first episode I would outright call bad. There was so much I disliked about it, leading the pack is D.L.'s death. Let me get this straight, he reacts quickly enough to phase through a punch in a dark room, but can't bloody well avoid a gun thrust directly into his chest? Either shoot him in the back or have him flip out at Nikki for quitting her meds and have HER kill him. The only thing I cared for involving their arc was D.L. becoming a fireman. That's about all that made sense.
Meanwhile, we can get some useless backstory on the entirely uninteresting South American twins, yet we don't learn how the shit Candace got ahold of Sylar or what in the eveliving shit happened with Matt? The dude took four bullets to the chest and somehow managed to recover quickly enough to divorce his pregnant wife then move in with Mohinder and adopt Molly? My only hope with that plotline is that they'll cover it later as I figure they'll have Matt confront Janice when the baby's actually born (It never crossed my mind until now that it's impossible for Janice to have had the baby yet, as she'd have to have been about five months pregnant at the minimum when the show started).
Adam's healing blood is also entirely too deus ex machina. Did not care for that little twist.
I DID like Peter's overall story.
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Well, I'll reinstate that it was okay. I'm really interested in the Adam character now, He seems wise and less douche baggy than before. The twins episode was good today though, I just wish the whole plot with them didnt seem so watered down. Nikki needs to die (as always) and that new blond girl is SO annoying "Omfg guyzorz I havs emo boy who is the most powerful person in the worrrllldssssss"
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is Adam really that evil? last night ep dont make it so.
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I was thinking the same thing. Although, I think this is how we're supposed to feel right now. We also don't know what Adam's definition of "saving the world" is exactly.
Both Adam and "the company" are pretty morally ambiguous.
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but can't bloody well avoid a gun thrust directly into his chest? Either shoot him in the back or have him flip out at Nikki...
Seemed they were walking out of the club, and the guy shouted at them and they didn't turn around.
So it was in his back.
At least that's how I remember it.
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You remember it wrong, bluntly speaking. Download a torrent or something. The guy walked up to the two of them, D.L. said something along the lines of "Let it go, man. We're leaving." Then the dude produced a revolver and shot him in the stomach.
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Two words, people: Writer's. Strike.
Why do you think there are now only three episodes left to the season? Why do you think all the loose ends from "Four Months Ago" were so hastily wrapped up? I mean, I liked the last episode, personally, but it was apparent that Heroes is one show trying to get out of the way before the writer's stike takes too much of a toll, so they can come back with Season 3 with well-paid writer's and a great story on par with Season 1.
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There are only three episodes left of volume 2, which was planned for only 10 episodes, unless I'm mistaken. Then volume 3 was supposed to start, but it won't now because of the strike.
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Yeah, this episode was just sloppy writing in general. They've known a potential writers' strike was coming since before season one ended and planned a multi-volume season in anticipation to begin with. They're not "rushing to wrap things up" considering the season is pacing itself as it would have strike or no strike. As it stands, the only change made has been to the ending of episode eleven as they adjusted it slightly to serve better as a "season finale" as opposed to just the end of a volume of stories.
Double check your facts.
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but can't bloody well avoid a gun thrust directly into his chest? Either shoot him in the back or have him flip out at Nikki...
Seemed they were walking out of the club, and the guy shouted at them and they didn't turn around.
So it was in his back.
At least that's how I remember it.
It wasn't in his back, he should have seen it coming, which leaves me puzzled as well.
I kind of liked the episode. There were no sappy bits, it explained what was going on. Maybe it came a bit to early in the season, but for the rest, it wasn't that bad.
I'm really confused about Adam, is he a good guy, is he a bad guy? I know he's supposed to hate Hiro, but even then, you don't know whether right now what he feels is 'twart Hiro'. I don't think he knows that Peter knows Hiro. This storyline is building up quite nicely.
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at-least they're trying to give us some closure, unlike other shows that stop completely, they're trying to wrap all lose ends.
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Adam confuses me too. Though...I'm not sure he doesn't know that Peter knows Hiro. I mean, they obviously explained something of their backstories. Adam's the one that declared curing Nathan should be the first thing they do as they left the "jail;" when they first met, Peter said Adam looked good for being over 400 years old. Wouldn't it make sense for Peter to have explained all his different powers?
Another thing that just popped into my head: if Adam was one of the 12 (can we assume this? Have we seen the photo in its entirety?) wouldn't he know that Kaito has a son named Hiro?
Damnit, I'm thinking about this too much. Gah.
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Have we seen the photo in its entirety?
We have, in the episode where Parkman sees that his dad is in the picture. Forgot which one it is though.
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Well, Adam's been locked up for 30 years... how old is Hiro??
I liked this ep. I don't really care about things like DL being shot in the stomach, as long as things HAPPEN and we don't see too much of the Mexicans. It was really nice getting some answers, and almost as nice to see Elle's so-called sweater-puppies so much :o :o
I dunno how long ago the ep was written, but I do know Kring said in a fairly recent interview that he's become aware of the problems with this second season and intends to fix them to please the fans. So I'm expecting more episodes where the plot moves and enlightenment occurs =P
EDIT: Obsessions, dude, why so angry? =P
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Hiro is either 25-26, so you think Kaito locked up Adam to protect a young Hiro?
or Adam waited four hundred years to meet Kaito Nakamura and wait a bit more to have a son, wanted to use him to kill his son.
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I didnt even think that Adam could be in the old-folks society!
I still want to find out what Peter's mom, Ninja girl's aunt/grandma's, and Nakamurasan's powers are. I want to learn more about them Also, this last episode helped the mexican's story a tiny bit. They REALLY need to focus on making it better, I mean, Its all there.. but they're just not doing anything interesting with it.
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I think Hiro is supposed to be a little older that 25-26. In season one there was a flashback sequence with Hiro's father
dated sometime in the 70s (can't remember which year specifically), and Hiro looked maybe 6 or 7. I remember doing some math based on my estimation of his age in that scene, and it put him closer to 30 Based on Hiro's age in that flashback, I figured he was probably born in the late 70s. I may be wrong, but I really do think he's a little older than 25.
Oh, and THE SIBLINGS AREN'T MEXICAN. They're from Honduras. They've been in Mexico a lot because they've been driving into the US, but they aren't from there.
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I don't think he's that much older than 25-26. Because in the scene, if I'm thinking of the same scene you are, Claire's a baby, isn't she? And she's supposed to be 16 or 17? And he can't have been older than 10 in that scene (I haven't gone back to check, but I think I remember him looking younger than that), and if we add Claire's age, he's a maximum of 27 (again, not sure how old Claire is supposed to be), and I'd think a little bit younger than that even.
And before I posted this, I looked him up on Wikipedia, and it said this:
Thirteen years before the start of the series, Hiro's father, Kaito Nakamura, puts Claire into the hands of Mr. Bennet. In the background, a ten-year-old Hiro plays his Game Boy, not paying attention to them.
..which makes no sense? Because if Claire was a baby 13 years ago, she's supposed to be 13 now, which doesn't even make any sense.
I may be completely off here, because I have a tendency to easily forget stuff in TV series, especially ones with looots of stuff going on like this one, but I figured I'd throw it out there. I'm sure they've mentioned Claire's age, but I've appearently forgotten.
Edit: Went back and checked, and in Company Man (episode 17), Bennet gets Claude as a partner 15 years ago, and then in another flashback 14 years ago, we see Claire as a baby and Bennet being told to adopt her, with Hiro in the background, looking..well, I suck at placing kids based on their age, but not that old. 5-7, maybe. Which puts Hiro in his early twenties, if I'm guessing his age right in that flashback.
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The seventies is WAAAAY off on that flashback.. Guesstimating, I'd peg the year of that one at about 1991 or 92.
The big detail on the timeframe: The scene focused around Kaito giving Claire to Noah. Claire was eighteen months old at the time of the fire, and this was soon after. With Claire being recently sixteen in early 2007, dependant on when her birthday is, it was likely late '91, early '92 give or take a year with my absolutely abysmal math capabilities.
It's hard to judge, but I'd say Hiro looks between seven and ten, pegging him to be currently between 23 and 26. There's no way he's older than his mid-twenties.
Edit: For clarification's sake, I have the entire first season on my iPod. I ran through and checked the episode "Company Man." Not a chance that Hiro's older than ten in that scene. I'd guess eight or nine, but give a window of seven to ten as mentioned. He's not older than 26 and bare minimum 20 as he and Ando were in a bar in the first episode with the Japanese drinking age as twenty. early mid-twenties is most likely guess.
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I think I'm thinking of a different flashback. I also just might have made up a flashback in my head. I just remember doing some math once and ending up with a 27-28 age for Hiro.
It's be awesome if there were just some official bios of the heroes that list their dates of birth for the sake of piecing together a timeline. There might be, but I haven't looked.
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How exactly do you come up with 27-28 and establish a flashback with Hiro in it in the seventies?
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Heh, my thoughts exactly. If Hiro looked 6 or 7 in a flashback from the seventies, that would make him at least 34, if it was from '79 and he was 6 at the time.
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Haha, I don't know. I'm not hardcore standing by this, but I remember doing that math at some point. It might also be because I'm nearly 25 and Hiro looks and seems older than me.
I move to have my mention of the 70s stricken from the record. I was thinking that Hiro was born in the late 70s, not that the 70s were the setting for the flashback. I just wrote it retardedly. I'll go back and edit.
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Well, technically, Hiro WAS born in the mid-seventies. Masi Oka is 32. The character himself is more likely to be mid-twenties, though.
Also: http://youtube.com/watch?v=0qwsWUBDF2U
*Sigh* I actually remember this commercial.
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Hiro was ten-years in the flashback in "Company Man", that flashback took place 14 years in the heroes timeline. 10+14= 24, so the character Hiro is in his mid-20's.
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Can I just go on record as predicting that Hiro-from-the-future killed his dad? It's way too obvious if Adam did it. I bet we find out that Hiro's dad was up to some shady business and that Hiro needed to kill him to stop something bad. Hence the "I didn't think it would be you."
Then again, they keep implying it's one of the original 12... Hm.....
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(Ok, none of my friends watch this show so I wanted to rant about a few things having just seen episode....uh.... anyway "out of time" where hiro returns from the past. Blind posting because I'm not a fan of spoilers)
The writers of this show are totally stupid. Kensai/Adam did not age over a gap of several hundred years, presumably due to his ability. Why did they not think "hey, Hayden pannetiere (Claire) is going to get older as the seasons go on. giant plot-hole ahoy." Seriously if I can see this as someone who watches the show, contemplates it for a bit then forgets about it for a week, why can not they - who are payed to think about the show all the time?
Also what is with peter having DL's ability, he went no where near him at the end of the last season, then DL died presumably from the bullet wound (interesting that the paramedics can save Parkman who took 5 bullets to the chest, but not DL) If he has that ability from the opposite side of kirby plazza he should also have Micca's, Molly's and Eden (the siren girl who died early in season one)
Another thing, when will they get on and tell us what the previous generation of heroes' powers were. We know Linderman could heal, Parkman sr could manipulate minds, Bob can turn things to gold (though if it is alchemy -transform other metals into gold - or midas touch - transform anything, including humans, into gold - is still unclear.) But we haven't had any indication of what Kito, Charles, Angela, her husband or any of the others can do.
Well that's about everything.
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every person that has power who ever been near to Peter, Peter absorbs their powers automatically, he likes a giant powers sponge.
here is a list of powers that Peter that he has been exposed to
Persuasion (from Eden in Collision)
Intuitive aptitude (from Sylar in Homecoming)
Cryokinesis (from Sylar in Homecoming)
Enhanced memory (from Sylar in Homecoming)
Mental manipulation (from the Haitian in Unexpected)
Liquefaction (from Sylar in Parasite)
Enhanced hearing (from Sylar in Parasite)
Clairvoyance (from Molly in How to Stop an Exploding Man)
Technopathy (from Micah in How to Stop an Exploding Man)
Alchemy (from Bob in Four Months Ago...)
just becasue he has been exposed to this powers, doesnt mean he knows how to use them yet.
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The writers of this show are totally stupid. Kensai/Adam did not age over a gap of several hundred years, presumably due to his ability. Why did they not think "hey, Hayden pannetiere (Claire) is going to get older as the seasons go on. giant plot-hole ahoy." Seriously if I can see this as someone who watches the show, contemplates it for a bit then forgets about it for a week, why can not they - who are payed to think about the show all the time?
Okay, the problems I had were directly related to one episode and were because they were poorly exhibited, this whining is just a matter of you not exhibiting the slightest bit of petience. Hayden is eighteen right now. If I shave, I do not look any different than I did at eighteen a full five (Almost six) years later and I don't have the benefit of a makeup artist. Between Epiodes I and III of the new Star Wars trilogy, Natalie Portman barely looked like she aged and that was across a span of about six years. Do you really think that this show, or even Hayden's casting in it, will go on so long that Claire's potential aging will ever be relevant? Hell, if you look back to Five Years Gone, the idea of her not aging actually wraps up a potential continuity error in her not looking any older.
From there, we also have the possibility that their powers are not exactly the same. Maybe she does age and Adam doesn't? Or maybe she won't survive the season? While I find that unlikely, considering last season's track record who really knows?
Also what is with peter having DL's ability, he went no where near him at the end of the last season, then DL died presumably from the bullet wound (interesting that the paramedics can save Parkman who took 5 bullets to the chest, but not DL) If he has that ability from the opposite side of kirby plazza he should also have Micca's, Molly's and Eden (the siren girl who died early in season one)
Watch the season one finale again, you're obviously not paying attention. D.L., Micah and Nikki were all at the plaza with Peter. They were all at about the same distance from Peter as Ted was when Peter first started mimicking his powers. He probably does have those other powers but isn't aware. All three of those are powers that are actively triggered and ones he's not likely to use unless prompted. Considering he's been either doped up or amnesiac for most of the four month gap, he's had no reason or time to use them.
In terms of D.L., maybe you should, y'know, show some patience or pay attention to details? Detail one: they clarified it in the very next episode (Four Months Ago, last week's episode). We know how D.L. died and it wasn't from that gunshot from Linderman. Beyond that, anyone with an eye for details could tell you that he died later on anyway. Look at the season two premiere again. D.L.'s gravestone says 2007. The season one finale took place in early November, 2006. Even if he HAD died from that, it's not the amount of bullets, it's the location and the timing of the police. D.L. was walking around for a good half hour after getting shot, time he would be spending bleeding. Cops and paramedics showed up shortly after Parkman was shot. From there, we also have the matter of location. Rapper 50 Cent was allegedly shot like nine times and survived while many others bled out from one gunshot wound. It happens, deal.
Another thing, when will they get on and tell us what the previous generation of heroes' powers were. We know Linderman could heal, Parkman sr could manipulate minds, Bob can turn things to gold (though if it is alchemy -transform other metals into gold - or midas touch - transform anything, including humans, into gold - is still unclear.) But we haven't had any indication of what Kito, Charles, Angela, her husband or any of the others can do.
Maybe they'll tell us when it's relevant? For one, Angela's powers are heavily hinted at in the episode you just watched. Do you really think Peter suddenly remembered details of his past just because some old lady told him to? Either she's got a power similar to the Haitian in terms of affecting memory, or she's got a power of suggestion similar to Eden's (There've been multiple other instances of hints towards the latter, so I'm sticking with that). In terms of others, well, we'll see them eventually. Suck it up and wait or watch something else. A slow burn and dangling plotlines were how season one was handled, if you don't enjoy that manner of storytelling, this show isn't for you.
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You guys watch this show way too closely. Give me some time to catch up damnit!
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Or maybe you don't watch it closely enough, Phil...
I am cursed with a really weird attention to detail for this shit after a lifetime of reading comics?
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With the whole 70's flashback thing why didn't someone sarcasticically point out that Hiro must have manifested early and got himself a gameboy from the 90's then jumped back home.
Also Kaito was able to pass on his swordmanship to Hiro in a matter of minutes. Hint Hint.
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it wasnts the 70's, it was like 1992.
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Dass, wisse ich.
I was just sayin it woulda been a good bit of rebuttle.
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Sorry, zoned out a little, Why does Hiro's age matter?
Also, I saw a scene were there was a trade off between bitchy blond who doesnt get how good she has it (Electro powers and a HOT slave? I'd die to be her) and Claire. Than and everyone standing infront of a bunch of rocks (looked kind of beachy though). What do you guys think is going to happen next week?
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Holly shit Kirsten Bell!!! blurgggggabbbbubbbllllee gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............................................
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this monday, someone is going to die, its the question about who it is.
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Sorry, zoned out a little, Why does Hiro's age matter?
Also, I saw a scene were there was a trade off between HOT bitchy blond who doesnt get how good she has it (Electro powers and a HOT slave? I'd die to be her) and Claire. Than and everyone standing infront of a bunch of rocks (looked kind of beachy though). What do you guys think is going to happen next week?
Whether Adam knows Hiro is alive. He doesn't because we're guessing Hiro is less than 30, and so wasn't born yet when Adam was locked away.
I haven't seen any trailers, but I'm agreeing with artful dodger, someone is going down. Or is about to go down in a major cliffhanger at the end of the episode.
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this monday, someone is going to die, its the question about who it is.
Next Thursday for me.
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I hope its the blond girl, then maybe Peter will think that since all the girl's hes been with ended up dying, he should switch to guys!
I can dream cant I?
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I wish that West was a chick and Claire was a lesbian then the whole West-Claire romance would be totally interesting.
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the one with has number up is H.R.G, the clock is ticking.
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that would be extremley interesting.
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I don't think that's going to happen. I think it's all a red herring. Bennet is one of the most popular characters on the show and they've hinted at having some serious plans for him.
I could be full of shit and they'll just nuke the entire cast. I don't know, I'm tired of bothering to guess as I've been right on maybe three out of 847 guesses so far.
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Adam could've learned about Hiro's existence while imprisoned
Y'know, overhearing stuff, or maybe talking to Hiro's dad, or maybe baby-Hiro was actually with his dad one day while his dad was talking to Bob, with Adam near enough to notice?
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Or, he could've just pieced it together.
"Hmmm...a Nakamura with powers from the same era that that bastard Hiro, whom I vowed to destroy. Yeah, probably related." It's a bit of a stretch, but it's not exactly 60's Batman style circular logic.
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I could see it now:
15 years earlier
"Kaito: by the way Adam, this is my son Hiro, he has no power what so ever"
"Adam: Hiro? you say"
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Hes still alive :-D!
Also, Someone predicted Adam Monroe as the murderer, so kudos for them (We should make a predictor of the week award or something)
and electro girl got put in her place! And Claire is going to beat her down!!
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I didn't watch it, but someone who was watching it taped it for me and so I finally get a Heroes fix tomorrow. ZOMG.
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after seeing the preview for next monday, Present Hiro is clearly on his way of becoming futuristic badass samurai Hiro.
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While this episode was almost as good as Out of Time (Which was itself probably my favorite since Five Years Gone), I am practically shitting myself in anticipation for next week's episode. I damn near came at "Welcome home, Dr. Suresh..." and the exchange between Peter and Hiro was nothing to scoff at.
In terms of this week's episode, I quite enjoyed it and found it to be an excellent rebound from last week's mess of an episode. Spoilers, obviously, lie ahead:
It was great to see Noah in absolute badass mode again. He's so much more fun when he's skirting the line of morality. I'm also glad they had the big reveal come at the end of the episode rather than hold it over to next episode. It makes it more a foregone conclusion than a legitimate cop-out. The entire scene where he was actually shot, I was guessing how things could go. The thought crossed my mind that maybe the portrait was actually Bob and the blonde was Elle (Which I really think they were aiming at throwing a red herring at people with), immediately before the shot went off, I realized the potential of them using Claire's blood to revive Noah as I was convinced they were not going to kill him off.
I was also playing a big guessing game when they had Claire. I really did briefly think that Bob was going to infect her with the virus in a "if we can't have her, no one can" situation and then her blood would mutate it causing the advanced form seen in the future.
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Hes still alive :-D!
Also, Someone predicted Adam Monroe as the murderer, so kudos for them (We should make a predictor of the week award or something)
and electro girl got put in her place! And Claire is going to beat her down!!
I thought Adam was the logical conclusion?
I think electro girl (Elle) is going to turn against her father.
Episode was good, but it didn't really leave me asking as many questions as the previous episodes. All the action was definitely good.
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That episode was definitely a return to form for the series. Loads of character development, with good people's morals being blurred and bad people's humanity being shown and others just prancing about in a grey area.
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I will say I'm very disappointed in Matt. C'mon, man! Fight the temptation!
I can't say it's not a fascinating and logical development, though...
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Angela Petrelli is one tough sonuvabitch.
I love hearing more about the original company. They were obviously a band of heroes who thought they could save the world. But power corrupts, and the road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that.
After the scene where they drew Claire's blood, I realized that they'd use it for HRG when/if he died.
It was interesting to see Matt becoming a little too into his new-found mind control ability.
I thought I had more to say about this episode but I'm going blank now.
But man, it was a good one.
Oh yeah, wtf Suresh? Seriously. Wtf? He cared so much about "Bob" he had to shoot his one-time friend in the eyeball? Couldn't have aimed for his leg or arm or something? Sheesh.
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Finally watched last week's episode just before I saw the new one last night. I gotta say, I think I like it better that way, the bigger chunk's make it to where I'm fully satisfied by the end of two hours.
I suppose he's also considered a father figure who would do anything for his daughter, which he sort of shares with Matt (gay marriage anyone?) enough to where he would shoot the threat to his source of monay for research and development. Bob now, though, for some reason I like Bob, and trust him. I really think he is trying to be a better person than he obviously was in the past (make your daughter shock herself? Really now).
I want to know what the Hell Angela petrelli's power is, because seriously, its gotta be something good. And Hiro had best be gettin' ready to lay the smack down on Adam, lest I get a bit angry meow. Meow I really wish I had seen the preview for next week, because I had to leave as soon as the episode was over and didn't catch any of it.
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You can probably find the previews on YouTube. That's what I mostly do if I really feel the need to watch them. Just search for Heroes + preview and sort them by date added or something.
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http://www.got-heroes.com/ (http://www.got-heroes.com/) always has downloads and steaming copies of the latest previews and episodes. Very handy for me, as I'm in the UK but got hooked on season 1 by an American friend who was staying in London with us when it was aired in the US, so I'm on a US Heroes schedule :P
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I couldn't imagine not being on a US schedule (I'm in the UK too). I couldn't handle knowing the episode was out and not watch it.
Even if this season has been a bit of a let down so far, it's still so juicy.
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Wow. This episode, while not explaining too much, was probably my favorite so far this season. I'm interested in the lady Mrs. Petrelli didn't want to talk about and how Elle is going to take what Mr. Bennett said. Also, who saved Noah. I'm pretty damn sure it was Suresh, since he didn't seem to know how to deal with the choices he'd made.
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This is throwing it WAY out there, but meh, I'm in a writing mood.
It could possibly be static crotch. Maybe she could've realized what it would be like to not have her father, and symphasizes with Claire.
WAYYY OUT THERE!
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static crotch? Doesn't she already have that?
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Question:
Where is Claire's power located?
I feel like it was located in her brain (cause in season 1, she got a stake into her brain and it stopped working until the stake was pulled out), but if it's just in her blood, doesn't that mean that now nathan and mr. bennet would have her blood and thus continue have the regenerative power? Why not inject everyone with her blood and they would live forever.
Also, what would happen if (this is a thought experiment thing, and I'm fully aware that it sounds kind of creepy) claire was chopped straight through the middle (through the brain). Would both sides regenerate? Would that create a clone of claire?
Also, it's clear that Claire's power causes her brain to regenerate. (when the stake was taken out it healed). What would have happened to when sylar cut her open in the episode in the future from last season? This, i guess, would be answered if I understood Sylar's powers better.
Also, I'm excited about the next episode, the trailer makes it look really good.
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I think her two brain halves would have to be reunited for her to heal again.
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Ahhh I loved this ep... it was like a better Company Man :D
What on earth did Bennett say right at the end, after being revived??
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"Holy sh-"
It was most definitely a send-off to the early episode where Claire woke up on an autopsy tables after "dying" and said the exact same line.
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I can't decide if I like that more than the other things I imagined it could be...! It's certainly a lot cooler, I admit :o
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"Holy sh-"
It was most definitely a send-off to the early episode where Claire woke up on an autopsy tables after "dying" and said the exact same line.
Yeah, I kind of liked that - it was a nicer way of showing how Noah really is her 'dad' than the constant teary-eyes of her mum in that scene when he's interorgating Elle. Subtlety rocks.
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My official prediction for who killed Hiro's father.
It's currently way too obvious that Adam did it, hence a twist is needed. His words were "Of all of them I never thought it would be you" (or something like that) implying that it was one of the twelve (was it just me or were there far more than twelve when we got a glimpse of the photo?) Of the twelve we know Peter's mum and dad, Kito, Bob, Adam, Parkman's Dad, Charles, Linderman. So who of them do we know least about, and is least likely to be the killer. Peter's father. they even went out of they're way to make sure even total nerds who paused on the photo couldn't get a good look at him (he was looking sideways) to me that spells fishy and we're going to find out a whole lot about him.
Also this is a completely out there theory but - I think one of the previous gen had powers akin to Storm from X-men. we know that one of the groups major triumphs was stopping a tsunami wiping out Manhattan. And - this is were I'm on very shaky ground based of a possibilities that the channels that broadcast heroes know more than there letting on - last week there was an add for X-men 2 during Heroes:
Hiro isn't the only one who could stop time (shows the wheelchair guy pausing time)
Before the cheerleader someone else was invincible (didn't see this bit)
But none of the hiroes have powers like these...(show wolverine)
...yet (shows storm doing some tornadoes)
As I say this is pure guess work and that second bit of evidence is probably complete horseshit.
As far as the episode that I just saw "four months ago" I liked it, with the exception of DLs death completely random 'hmm some guy just punched me in the kidneys and stole my girl, I'm going to shoot him' add to that the question why couldn't DL phase though it and the fact that the greasy guy appears to be able to telleport (they're walking down stairs away from the club but some how the guy is on a lower step than them when he killed DL nitpicking I know but the continuity person did a shitty job) That and the fact that Peter seems content to leave Katlin in a future which is unlikely to happen thereby erasing her from existence....hey that's a really cool way of getting rid of annoying bad guys, ok I'm going to call that too: Adam gets locked in a non existent future, or gets killed by the virus.
Edit: also another wtf: why did nikki thank bob in the 'today' section. yeah sure she's got control of herself but then there's that little problem that she's got a life threatening (and as far as she knows incurable) virus. yeah thanks for that.
On the whole my faith in this show which was shattered by their horrible abuse of the time/space continuum, not to mention continuity in "five years gone" is slowly being restored.
Question:
Where is Claire's power located?
I feel like it was located in her brain (cause in season 1, she got a stake into her brain and it stopped working until the stake was pulled out), but if it's just in her blood, doesn't that mean that now nathan and mr. bennet would have her blood and thus continue have the regenerative power? Why not inject everyone with her blood and they would live forever.
her power is centered around her entire body shes an RCR (rapid cellular regrowth) but the brain 'gives the orders' to heal, if the brain itself can not heal (ie when the stick was in her head or the glass was in Peter's) then it can't 'give orders' to heal, or to even pump blood. No blood flow = dead. ....although that doesn't answer why she can come back from the dead....
Also, what would happen if (this is a thought experiment thing, and I'm fully aware that it sounds kind of creepy) claire was chopped straight through the middle (through the brain). Would both sides regenerate? Would that create a clone of claire?
that's an interesting question, i think because the brain was badly damaged, and it was separated from its other half she'd stay dead until she was put back together. though that could be wrong - I can see the writers getting desperate for villains and doing that, somehow ending up with one of the Claires being evil.
Also, it's clear that Claire's power causes her brain to regenerate. (when the stake was taken out it healed). What would have happened to when sylar cut her open in the episode in the future from last season? This, i guess, would be answered if I understood Sylar's powers better.
This is my understanding of how Sylars power works, his power is simply to see the imperfection or oddity in things, but rather than trying to fix these genetic 'mistakes' like he did with the "time pieces" he actually stuffs around with his own genetic pattern to give himself that ability the unfortunate part is he actually needs look at the mechanics, (ie study the brain closely). Now I highly doubt that Claire can regrow her entire brain and Sylar tends to take the brains away from the bodies hence body and brain can not just reconnect
Oh, another random thing (dear god this post is getting long) I doubt peter got his telekinesis from Sylar, as its not Sylars own ability. And if Peter did have the power to take Sylar's acquired abilities then he'd have the ultrasonic hearing, and that's not an ability that can be easily ignored (the original owner couldn't turn it on or off, and neither could sylar when Mohinder put the tuning fork next to his ear, hence it seems unlikely that peter could) so that would imply that either Peter's mother or his father or Charles (or Simone, but she never realised it) have/had telekinesis.
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I think with so many powers going around Peter's brain, the super hearing power hasnt been actived yet. also it seems on the show, that two people can have the same power but it works diffrently for them, maybe Peter hasnt used it yet or it hasnt been turn it on yet.
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OH, SNAP!
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Im very psyched that Claire is being confrontational with Static Crotch. Its showing that Claire could also kick major ass. Also, does punching that window mean she has super strength? Because punching a car window seems like a very hard thing to do. Im sad though that Reflex Girl couldnt retrieve tech-kid's comic books. He needs a hero, and I was so happy that she was going to do that for him, too bad she failed.
Hiro is so fucking badass.. But I'm afraid that hes going to die, I mean, he has no chance against Peter Petrelli.
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dude I cant wait till next monday, Badass Samurai Hiro vs the Emo Empath Peter.
me, my money is on Hiro
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If you're not afraid of hurting yourself, punching through a car window isn't really all that difficult. I've managed to drive my elbow through a window in order to break into my own car and the only reason I used my elbow is because I didn't want to fuck up my hand. When you have regenrative abilities, that's not a real concern.
In terms of Hiro Vs. Peter, that's a lot more balanced than you seem to comprehend. Hiro's gaining quite a bit of control over his abilities whereas Peter's still uneasy using Hiro's.
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Hiro is so fucking badass.. But I'm afraid that hes going to die, I mean, he has no chance against Peter Petrelli.
He does if he cuts off his head. Though I hope he saves that for Adam, because he's starting to annoy me.
So the preview said that "two heroes will fall" next episode (the finale, boo). Any hopes or guesses? I'm kind of hoping that since this is the end of this chapter, maybe Hiro will get to kill Adam and Syler will kill the black eyed chick. (I'm glad he offed the brother. One down, one to go.) I hope that the reflex memory girl doesn't die, though, because Micah kind of needs a friend that isn't his messed up mom. (Maybe she'll die because of the virus, who knows.)
I'm sad that the season has to end. I really hope this writers guild strike gets settled before all these shows have to have their season finales and all we're left with is the crap that isn't part of it.
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Well, it's hard to venture a guess. The ad shows a lineup of Nathan/Matt/Claire/Hiro/Elle as it states that line, so it would seem they're implying the characters in question are among that profile.
Logically speaking:
Elle is the highest likelihood. She's new, and I don't believe Kristen Bell was ever added to the permanent cast. She's also a character that doesn't have an incredible amount of story potential.
Hiro and Claire? Unlikely if they legitimately mean "die" when they say fall. Along with Peter, those are the two most overwhelmingly popular characters on the show.
Matt is...complicated. While he's popular and has a good upside in terms of storyline potential (His expanding powers and the temptation to use them), he's in an effective setup to be killed considering he's either going to be crossing paths with Adam trying to solve the company murders or he's still in New York City, which would put him on a collission course with Sylar.
Nathan is a bit more plausible. I'm genuinely surprised that he wasn't killed at the end of last season. His storyline had essentially run its course then and he could play well as someone getting killed in the crossfire and a potential turning point/catalyst for Peter's storyline. He's also more middle of the pack in terms of perceived popularity from what I've observed.
So I'd lay almost definite likelihood on Elle with Nathan and Matt being the other potential candidates, leaning 5 to 1 in favor of Nathan dying.
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I didn't really think any of the more major characters would get offed. Out of those 5, Elle and Nathan would make the most sense. Out of ones not shown, the only "major" characters I could see getting killed would be Nicki and Bob. Though it'd be nice if Sylar actually did die this time, I severely doubt that. I'm hoping it was hinting towards more minor characters, even though the season is technically ending, this is only the end of one chapter.
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They can't kill Sylar after mentioning the "rise of a villain", and then showing him.
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even through I want badass Hiro to totally kick emo Peter's ass it probaby wont happen.
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Yeah, peter is getting on my nerves. Mr."Oh! I lost my irish girlfriend!" could just warp back into the past.
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They can't kill Sylar after mentioning the "rise of a villain", and then showing him.
Yeah, because television promos never lie ...
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most of the time Heroes promos dont lie.
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Next week's episode can only be good.
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WTF? Heroes has been cut off in Australia after 'Cautionary Tales'. Fuck you channel 7, I don't care if it's not ratings period any more, there were three more episodes in the season why cut it off. Well fuck you, torrents here I come.
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most of the time Heroes promos dont lie.
One of the first times a Heroe died it was Simone.
Please.
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Actually it was worse than that, it was her father, and he hadn't even been on screen until the episode he died in.
The adds don't lie, but they're very good at pushing you in the wrong direction,
Prime examples: (I have very good audio memory)
"She's his loving wife, but has they're life long marriage been a lie?" for the ep when Candice impersonated Noah's wife. Not technically a lie as they were asking a question.
"...Why [Claire's] father is a dead man?" true, he died, but it didn't stick.
One thing that does irritate me about the heroes adds though, is when the talk about something for the next ep, such as for the episode before 'Five years gone' "What would you do if you met yourself from the future?" and then when it comes to the episode that bit is just the cliff hanger for the next episode.
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And the guy who does the post-episode promos has a really annoying voice!
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Well, there will be cliff hangers.. Says the actor of Ando, who btw, looks totally hot.
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oh man, that was awesome, to bad Hiro didnt kill Adam but what he did was cool.
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OH SNAP!
Everyone became more likeable!
OH SNAP!
The least likeable character got killed!
All in all a good season's end
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Volume. That was the last of Exodus, which is a little over half of season 2.
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SWEET. Nicki esploded. (Well, or so we think as of now.) And BoredOne, I didn't actually say I thought Sylar would die, I said I hoped. As I've been hoping ever since the beginning of the series, because I think he's an annoying villain. (His power is cool, but the character's personality could be better and less of a douche.)
What happened to Adam is actually kind of badass.
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come on Hiro, you and I both know that Adam can't die and so eventually he'll find a way to break free. If worst comes to worst he can't just pound until his hand breaks, let it heal, keep pounding until he breaks through the casket, then its a matter of using the empty space of thecasket to bubble/tunnel your way up out of the ground.
I'm really glad Nikki is dead. Her character was two dimensional, her lines emo and her personality sickeningly sad all the fucking time. Fire, you've done your work well.
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I am SO PISSED. I mean, HE KILLED HER. HE SHOT HER. Our suffering was OVER dammit!! :mad: what retard decided to keep her--and Monica--and take away both Nathan and Nikki?! :( man I hope they come back though. Sure, Nathan's real storyline is over, but his non-story has been better than some we've seen this season.
God, please let the writers be a little smarter for the next volume. They've wasted much of this one. Peter vs. Hiro coulda been cool. Hiro coulda been smart enough to teleport into the vault. Peter coulda done the same, or phased through the door (thank god he didn't though).
Damn you Peter, you were so cool and now you're just a dumb**** :( how the hell did he get good enough to beat Parkman??!?!
BAH.
Still, not all bad. I like having Sylar back. I hope he becomes more evil and less metro.
I also hope Bennett didn't kill Nathan :(
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grblgrbl
^ my opinion on this episode.
a bit to all over the place. and the action was too short here and there. Could have been so much cooler.
But oh my god the questions that are in my head right now.
What happens when Adam runs out of oxygen?
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Did anyone find themselves yelling "PLOT HOLE!" at the tv?
1) Peter ripping the door out? Why not just phase in? With Adam? My buddy is still flabbergasted he never read Adam's mind... I say it was because he never felt a reason to. Too trusting. Is he also NOT thinking he can use his blood to heal Nathan? *sigh*
Moving on...
2) Hiro. Best. Adam COULD bust his way out of the casket, but there's still the tons of dirt and cement sarcophagus... not to mention it looks like he was put in there with Daddy Nakamura. His brain'll die of oxygen deprivation eventually, no?
3) Sylar. Still walking off with some bad-ass lines. He kills your brother. Makeouts. THEN SHOOTS YOU. GEEEZ.
That's it for now.
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Adam can only heal himsef, he doesnt have super strength, plus that casket looked a little small. I doubt that he can moves his hands. also I'm betting that hiro strap Adam down to the casket and add a big ole slap of cemet.
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Things seem to get silly when you develop a drug that can resurrect the dead. Does it even matter if any of the heroes die now? "Hey, have some Claire blood and it'll be cool."
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I'm really glad Nikki is dead. Her character was two dimensional, her lines emo and her personality sickeningly sad all the fucking time.
Yeah, all three of them.
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Things seem to get silly when you develop a drug that can resurrect the dead. Does it even matter if any of the heroes die now? "Hey, have some Claire blood and it'll be cool."
if there's nothing for the others to heal, they're still pretty dead - nikki.
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I know Nathan was shot, but did they show him actually die? Even so, Mr. Bennett died and they brought him back to life. So Nathan could possibly stick around if they get more of Claire's blood. Nicki, however, freaking exploded and had better be gone for good. (Yesssss.)
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Adam can only heal himsef, he doesnt have super strength, plus that casket looked a little small. I doubt that he can moves his hands. also I'm betting that hiro strap Adam down to the casket and add a big ole slap of cemet.
Beatrix Kiddo did
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yeah but Beatrix Kiddo isnt on Heroes, plus she was in a plain wood box not in a real casket with a cemet slap on top of it. Beatrix Kiddo had it easy.
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I could've sworn she was in a casket... Its been ages since I've seen volume 2 though.
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Its true, it makes it hard for Adam, but damnit I didn't think his storyline was long enough. I liked his character and I would have preferred a lot more between him and Hiro. I mean, it had been 400 fucking years man! I swear, the writers were smokin' something.
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urgh.
1) Sylar, he's old and boring and been done. Fuck him. We're all sick of him. Either kill him or leave him powerless and have him use Maya as a tool.
And really the reason he lost his powers was nothing to do with the stab wound?Just a coincidence? Bad writing People.
2) Nikki, I think I may be the only person who liked her, sure with no more Jessica or Gene she was loosing interest, but still she could have had at least a couple of episodes as supper strength girl without problems.
3)Nathan, no real reason to complain apart from the fact that I liked him. But then again it looked like it would be a blood bath after "How do you stop an Exploding Man?" yet no one ended up dead after that ep. (Did anyone think that Nathan's killer looked like peter? Perhaps he is somehow working for the company in the future and travels back in time to stop Nathan going public.)
4)what the hell is the point of Maya now, she kills everyone around her or no one. Stupid. while her brother was alive it was vaguely useful because he could revive certain people, she had no use left, why not leave her dead?
5) we've been through a whole season, done pretty much everything that has to be done with the previous generation (baring Peter's father) and we still only know 3 powers, and there are still four of them left unmentioned (though I'm guessing Monica's mother was one of them) this seems like lazy writing to me.
6) How the hell did Adam persuade Parkman sr to work with him, he could read minds he would be the first to realise what was going on.
7) According to bob "Linderman was Adam's protégé" yet bob let him run the company? Freakin' genius.
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I believe "Adam's protégé" is more in reference towards Adam's ideology.
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Exactly. he followed Adam's ideals and what was Adam's ideal in this case - wipe out the population of the world and rebuild together. Bob knew this and disapproved of it, he also presumably knew that Lindaman idolized Adam. Yet Linderman still was allowed free reign over the company to pull off his bomb plot. Either it was badly written, or bob was in on the bomb plot and decided to pretend he wasn't as soon as he realised that it had gone pear shaped.
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I belive that Bob called Linderman, Adam's disciple. so given that fact Adam thought he was a God and had 12 disciples. all but three of them (Linderman, Papa Parkman and Ma-Petrelli) turned their backs on him.
plus just re-watch Kill Bill 2, Budd and his buddy put The Bride in a wooden box with a nailed on lid.
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Yeah, I'm starting to remember her in the box hearing them nailing the casket shut.
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urgh.
1) Sylar, he's old and boring and been done. Fuck him. We're all sick of him. Either kill him or leave him powerless and have him use Maya as a tool.
And really the reason he lost his powers was nothing to do with the stab wound?Just a coincidence? Bad writing People.
Ummm, I'm not. Sylar's actually one of my favorite characters. His power is interesting, practically limitless and a perfect deus ex within the series. He's conniving, self serving and villainous. He's fun to watch. In terms of the coincidence factor: were you actually even paying attention? Here's the sequence for you: Sylar's stabbed. Candice bags and tags him for the company. While he's in captivity, she's instructed to infect him with the Shanti strain as he's clearly not to be trusted. Makes perfect, logical sense to me. Deal with it or watch something else.
2) Nikki, I think I may be the only person who liked her
Entirely possible. I, genuinely, do not know a single regular viewer of the show that wasn't sick of Nikki by midway through season one. Honestly, D.L. was about the only one of their family I could stand last season.
3)Nathan, no real reason to complain apart from the fact that I liked him. But then again it looked like it would be a blood bath after "How do you stop an Exploding Man?" yet no one ended up dead after that ep. (Did anyone think that Nathan's killer looked like peter? Perhaps he is somehow working for the company in the future and travels back in time to stop Nathan going public.)
Seems derivative. I'm pretty convinced it was Noah. He's back with the company and it would stand to open further plot developments when you take into account that he just killed Claire's biological father.
4)what the hell is the point of Maya now, she kills everyone around her or no one. Stupid. while her brother was alive it was vaguely useful because he could revive certain people, she had no use left, why not leave her dead?
After season one ended, you'd be hard pressed for me to tell you what the point of keeping Nathan around was. He'd served out his plotline and was never that interesting to me. I pretty much hated him. He managed to make for fun and engaging stories this season, though. Character's grow and mature. While I hate Maya, I can accept the fact she might go somewhere next season.
5) we've been through a whole season, done pretty much everything that has to be done with the previous generation (baring Peter's father) and we still only know 3 powers, and there are still four of them left unmentioned (though I'm guessing Monica's mother was one of them) this seems like lazy writing to me.
How's that lazy? An opportunity never sprang up. There was never a point where it seemed logical to throw it in. Judging by the "pandora's box" setup for next volume, I figure we'll see something more along those lines later.
6) How the hell did Adam persuade Parkman sr to work with him, he could read minds he would be the first to realise what was going on.
And what makes you so convinced that he gave a shit? Linderman knew the kind of plans Adam concocted, yet he stuck around. Parkman may have just believed in him.
7) According to bob "Linderman was Adam's protégé" yet bob let him run the company? Freakin' genius.
Linderman was quite probably higher up there by the time Bob even showed up. Linderman was, at the least, involved before the Petrellis were. Noting that Adam brought them all together in the first place, it would stand to reason that he'd put those who closely followed him in positions of power. Or, Bob may have just been completely full of shit. Not something I'd put past some of these guys.
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I'm kind of glad we're focussing back on Sylar. Adam's "the only way to save humanity is to destroy it buahaha!" thing is so irritating. Sylar was just an evil bastard.
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yeah but he's an overdone evil bastard, we've already seen an entire season focusing on him and I'm not the only one who was already over him by the end of season 1, why can't they create a new evil bastard. I was really hoping that Maya would somehow become the ultimate evil chick. Or why not have some new heroes pop up out of nowhere with plan to rid the world of all humans who don't have an ability or the genetic potential for their offspring to have an ability.
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well that was kinda was Adam's plan. also it would be kinda lame to introdution characters with the whole Magneto's destory normal people plan.
side note, do you think Sylar will go after Hiro, you know to get Hiro for stabing him.
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and to get Hiro's Power. Is it just me or can Sylar, initially, use stolen powers better that the person he stole it from when they first manifested.
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I dont know about that, Hiro has been getting good at using his powers lately. Hiro was stoping time, poping in and out of space, great sword fighting, like a pro.
yes I know sword fighting isnt a power, but it was cool to see Hiro doing it.
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A buddy and I posit that when Sylar steals brains, he sees how they work much like when he fixes a clock. At that point he understands the power entirely and after some physical practice it's all good.
He tried going after Hiro once, and Hiro was faster than him. Next to Peter, I think Hiro has the best chance. At this point all he has to do is freeze time before Sylar freezes him.
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I like Sylar's way of getting powers better than Peter's honestly. I mean, at some point he's just gonna be god, and its really annoying me. His powers need to be limited, you can't have a Hero who can do everything, he needs weaknesses beyond being an annoying emo son of a bitch. It gets boring.
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thats one of the problems I have with Peter, another problem is at first He wanted to be special, then the moment bad moments happen he wishes he never wanted powers. sometimes Peter is too emo, never be a badass like Hiro.
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I feel like we're almost at that point already. I mean, shouldn't Hiro (or Peter) be able to completely destroy any opponent by stopping time and just stabbing them in the chest? The only person who would be resistant to that is The Haitian, and I'm pretty sure there are ways to get around that.
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In a flashback scene, the Haitian and another guy had Nathan backed up against a metal fence, and Nathan flew straight up in the air.
I something see things wrong, so could someone correct me on that, or am I spot-on and that's a blooper?
Also, axerton, no, you're not the only one who didn't hate Nikki. I didn't hate her.
But I would like to see other heroes besides Claire, Hiro and Parkman toughen up and start to enjoy/use their powers with confidence.
I mean, Hiro was the only one of them all who was psyched to have powers, and it makes sense that he was the first one to do heroic things. Claire's pissed, so she uses her powers a lot. Parkman learned he can control people's minds and he uses it all the time now, with confidence... even if it seems like it'll eventually corrupt him.
Peter uses his powers when he needs to, but he still seems all confused like last season. At least in Ireland he seemed like a badass. Even still, Peter's powers make him my favorite character. I just wanna see him be tougher, and smarter I guess.
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In a flashback scene, the Haitian and another guy had Nathan backed up against a metal fence, and Nathan flew straight up in the air.
I something see things wrong, so could someone correct me on that, or am I spot-on and that's a blooper?
perhaps the Haitian's power has a certain area of influence?
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No, we've seen him block other peoples powers from much further away, it's either a mistake or it's the first signs of the Haitian's true loyalty to Nathan's mum.
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The Haitian's power is effective against abilities that require active concentration like Hiro's power, not passive/active powers like Clarie's regeneration. now the question is the power of Flight is an active/passive power or a concentration power.
I like to think the flight is a passive power.
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The writers have answered this. The Haitian let Nathan fly away, because he was working for his mother and Nathan's election was important to the Linderman Plan.
There is no plot-hole because HRG did not know Nathan had a power, so the Haitian didn't even have to justify why he let him fly away.
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That doesn't make sense. Why would Bennett even be after Nathan if he didn't know he had a power?
Honestly, it was probably a plot hole they covered up later after realizing it.
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That doesn't make sense. Why would Bennett even be after Nathan if he didn't know he had a power?
Did you watch the episode?
They were trying to abduct him to convince him to become Linderman's pawn in the election. It is never explicit or implicit that Bennet knew he had a power. The entire purpose of Nathan/Vegas was not to "bag and tag" a Super, it was to ensure his political allegiance with Linderman.
Bennet also clearly looks shocked when Nathan flies away.
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The Haitian must be like Leech, but without the morlock deformities. Odds are, and hopefully, they borrow more from X-Men.
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That doesn't make sense. Why would Bennett even be after Nathan if he didn't know he had a power?
Did you watch the episode?
They were trying to abduct him to convince him to become Linderman's pawn in the election. It is never explicit or implicit that Bennet knew he had a power. The entire purpose of Nathan/Vegas was not to "bag and tag" a Super, it was to ensure his political allegiance with Linderman.
Bennet also clearly looks shocked when Nathan flies away.
I just rechecked it to verify what I remembered and I'm fully confident that you're talking out of your ass about this.
For one: Why in the Hell would they be approaching him about that? First and foremost, Bennet has no clue Linderman is involved in the company. This is clear when Matt later brings it up to him and he has no idea what Matt's talking about. They made a pretty big deal about it. Second and about as important: Nathan was already in Vegas to speak to Linderman about his campaign. Why would Linderman send Bennet and the Haitian after Nathan when Nathan is already there to cooperate with Linderman in the first place AND Linderman had just acquired blackmail material on Nathan through Jessica? Your theory not only makes absolutely jack shit for sense, it's not even the slightest bit founded in the episodes this occurred in.
Not to mention, half of Bennet's dialogue makes it pretty clear they're after a powered individual. "Do you have any idea who I am?" "Better than even you do."/"Just take the one" imply pretty heavily they're talking about Nathan's abilities. He might not have known what Nathan's ability was, but he most assuredly knew Nathan had one.