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OK, so it's the new Johnny Depp movie and it looks like it'll be pretty awesome.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, the story of the real Sweeney Todd is FUCKING CRAZY. It is precisely the movie Tim Burton totally wanted to make instead of ... the movie he's making about it instead (which, as far as I can see from the previews, seems to make him almost a sympathetic character).
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/todd/index_1.html
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I'm still not sold on the musical aspect of the movie but I will be going to see it regardless. The blood and slashings should more than make up for it.
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I am ridiculously excited for this. I have always wanted to see it on stage, but I guess a movie isn't half bad. And it has Johnny Depp! Therefore hey can't go wrong.
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OK, so it's the new Johnny Depp movie and it looks like it'll be pretty awesome.
Uh, hello...it's also an ALAN RICKMAN MOVIE!!!!
Johnny Depp and Alan Rickman on the same screen...omfg, I will have a heartattack when I see this movie. (And I am SO excited to see this! I've always wanted to see a stage production of it, but sadly, my area isn't very err...Sweeny Toddish I guess, since I've never seen/heard of one being put on. Maybe this movie will change that though!).
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The stage version was crazy good.
Why is johnny depp in every single good movie ever?
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Because Johnny Depp is one of the best actors -ever-. Seriously, he's so totally diverse and can do almost anything necessary to make a role totally unique. No one will ever top his abilities. Like, ever.
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Yeah, he's just one of those actors that can, well, actually act. He has the ability to get into every character, which is why he's so awesome.
I really hope they don't lose the OMFG dude CRAZY aspect, but I for one plan on seeing it. Tim Burton, Johnny Depp, and Alan Rickman are too good to pass up, as all three are some of my favorites.
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I don't think the OMFG could be lost with Tim Burton directing. If anything he's going to play that thing up more than ever.
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I generally hate musicals or anything resembling one, but I will see anything Tim Burton has anything to do with (yes, even Frankenweiner!). The fact that Johnny Deep and Alan Rickman are also in it just makes it extra freakin' awesome. I can't wait.
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Ahhh...don't avoid musicals!! They are an American Standard of Entertainment and rightly so!!
(Mind you, I grew up on musicals, sooo...I'm biased)
Johnny Depp-Alan Rickman-Tim Burton is like an unstoppable triangle of pure awesome. Like...it's totally off the Awesome Scale. Now, if only they had some Bowie in there...fuckin' mind blowing.
Wow, I am way into this Sweeny Todd excitement thing.
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This should be pretty darn good. The stage production is excellent and I'm not so worried about the film retaining the musical aspect of the play- the music is all quite good after all. Johnny Depp is an excellent actor and Tim Burton is terrific at creating dark atmospheres so he's a very good choice for director. I definitely excited for this one.
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Apparently Sacha Baron Cohen (Ali G, Borat) is in the movie, too. Odd.
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The movie just became twice as awesome as it was already promising to be.
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I didn't even know about this until a couple days ago some little kid at the skatepark told me about it. I didn't even know kids knew what Sweeney Todd was but apparently I was mistaken.
Well, I'm looking forward to it. It should be a good time.
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Apparently Sacha Baron Cohen (Ali G, Borat) is in the movie, too. Odd.
Dammit, I hate that guy. He's ruining the trio of awesome. Guh.
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Why are you people forgetting about the lovely Helena Bonham Carter.
She was Marla Singer once.
Respect.
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Apparently Sacha Baron Cohen (Ali G, Borat) is in the movie, too. Odd.
Dammit, I hate that guy. He's ruining the trio of awesome. Guh.
Yeah. I keep imagining Borat wandering around randomly in the movie going, "HIGH FIVE!"
I have never seen that guy out of character.
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He is pretty ridiculously good looking without the Borat get-up.
(http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1267859.jpg)
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Tis looks really damn fine. I'm pretty much only living for the 2009 release of the rum diary, BRUCE FUCKING ROBINSON'S (withnail and i!) adaptation of Hunter S. Thompson's classic first novel starring Johnny Depp. That's just ridiculously good.
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Why are you people forgetting about the lovely Helena Bonham Carter.
She was Marla Singer once.
Respect.
Ok, change "trio of awesome" to "power quartet of amazing". But I still don't like Cohen.
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See, I like Cohen, he's similar to mr. bean. People don't realize how smart he really is.
The guy who plays mr. bean (i'm sure he has a name), is a genius, and so is sacha baron cohen. It's just people can't take him serious because of the roles he has played in his past.
For the record... I didn't like borat.
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Mr Bean = Rowan Atkinson.
Man is fucking hilarious, but hopelessly, irredeemably British.
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See, I like Cohen, he's similar to mr. bean. People don't realize how smart he really is.
The guy who plays mr. bean (i'm sure he has a name), is a genius, and so is sacha baron cohen. It's just people can't take him serious because of the roles he has played in his past.
For the record... I didn't like borat.
I've never been a big Bean fan, but I do think that Sacha Baron Cohen is intelligent. I don't like Ali G, but I thought Borat was pretty funny the first time. He apparently had to spend the night in jail a couple of times while filming Borat, and he never broke character. I'm not questioning his talent, I just think being in Sweeney Todd is a HUGE change in direction for him. I'm really interested to see how he pulls it off.
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I really like Rowan Atkinson because I think he's funny with just about everything he does. There's just something about Cohen that rubs me the wrong way and I just never thought he was funny. Maybe this movie will change my opinion of him, but I think it'd just be because he made a smart move and was able to get a role in a good story with a good group of people.
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I feel the same way, Linds. People are always telling me how funny and smart Sacha Baron Cohen is, I just don't see it.
Mr. Bean on the other hand is positively hilarious.
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Mr. Bean is probably the least intelligent and definately the least funny material that Rowan Atkinson has ever produced. Maybe I am just sick of it because I have watched it since I was about 8 or something but as far as "intelligent humour" goes it is not that far above stuff like Borat. Atkinson's stuff from Not the 9'o'Clock News is quite good and Blackadder and The Thin Blue Line are fantastic.
The thing I like about Sasha Baron Cohen's comedy is not so much what he says but his interactions with other people, specifically with random people on the street. Also this guy never gets out of character and it is amazing. I heard a story about how during the filming of Borat he was walking around New York with Hugh Laurie (it astounds me that some people don't know he is a British comedian) and was still in character for Borat. Long story short he ends up getting punched in the mouth by someone he started talking to. That is commitment.
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The thing I like about Sasha Baron Cohen's comedy is not so much what he says but his interactions with other people, specifically with random people on the street. Also this guy never gets out of character and it is amazing. I heard a story about how during the filming of Borat he was walking around New York with Hugh Laurie (it astounds me that some people don't know he is a British comedian) and was still in character for Borat. Long story short he ends up getting punched in the mouth by someone he started talking to. That is commitment.
This is completely based on hearsay(is that how you spell that?) but I heard that he also spent a couple of days in jail and didn't get out of character for that movie.
EDIT: you're right, that was already mentioned in the thread. Sorry about that.
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^^ I think I saw that already in this topic, but I don't want to check to see if THAT post was edited.
Rowan Atkinson is funny, but I prefer Blackadder to Bean any day.
Also, the announcement of this movie SO TOTALLY makes up for the fact that the other movie musical I've heard about so far is Mamma fucking Mia, which will be available in theaters starting July 18, 2007.
And consists of the songs of ABBA.
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I saw Mamma Mia while I was in New York.
Of all the goddamn musicals we could have gone to, we had to go to Mamma Mia. Stupid choir teacher didn't think to reserve tickets more than a few months in advance.
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Hey now, I really liked Mamma Mia! But I kind of grew up listening to them, so I have a soft spot for ABBA. Yes, my friends routinely make fun of me for this.
Mr. Bean is only okay to other things I've seen Atkinson in. But as for staying in character, that's something Depp is known for, too. People don't see it often, but there are some actors who do that and I really respect them for it.
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I was watching the trailer today, and I recalled that no one had posted one...and also that there were questions about Johnny singing...well, he does a bit in the trailer, so here you all are:
Sweeny Todd Trailer (YouTube) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui1WAZgwkxY)
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AWESOME.
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I'd just like to chime in with the fact that I love love love Helena Bonham Carter and I don't care what that says about me because I'm so happy that Tim Burton puts her in all of his movies now.
Johnny Depp + Helena Bonham Carter + Alan Rickman = I will fucking watch this movie so hard.
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My sister-in-law is the lead female role for a performing arts group around here that is doing this play. It's super awesome from what I'm told.
Movie should be crazyawesome.
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The clever thing about Mr. Bean is that very few people realise it's actually a long, televised mime performance. He has an amazingly mobile face, though the funniest stuff I've seen in that regard is all very old material, Secret Policeman's Ball and so forth. I seriously thought I had got over the stage of laughing from a man simply saying 'Orifice' when I was about ten, but no. The thing that probably marks Atkinson out as a good comedian is that he is capable of playing both very intelligent, cynical people and utterly naive idiots. Black Adder is a good example of this. Watch the first series some time. Probably best to buy it on DVD, as it almost never gets repeated: originally, the characters of Baldrick and Edmund are essentially the reverse of the other three series. He originally DID have cunning plans.
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Bean vs. Borat aside, my interest in Tim Burton movies is slowly fading. From what I've seen, Depp uses the same tone of voice as he did for Sparrow, there's snow everywhere, it seems almost formulaic. I'm not saying the movie will be bad, but it just seems to me (read: my OPINION) that everything I've seen from Burton since PeeWee's Big Movie all kind of gel into the same basic plot and character types.
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I thought his voice sounded like Sparrow's too! Though...that's just one tiny trailer clip, so who knows.
I'm excited for this movie, but also prepared to be disappointed- I saw the revival in 2006 with Cerveris and LuPone, so I guess I'll end up erring on the side of "Broadway snob" when I judge it.
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Tim Burton hasn't made a good movie since Big Fish. Johnny Depp- not since Blow (though I was almost sold on The Libertine.)
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Blackadder and The Thin Blue Line are fantastic.
Well said.
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Above post disregarded --I don't know what all of you are complaining about. Granted, Corpse Bride was a bit of let down (needed more music, in my opinion), I have no problem with the stuff the Burton and Depp have been putting out over the last couple of years... Blasphemers, all of you.
Anyway, i joined the Offical Sweeny Todd MySpace thingy, and got this video I thought some of you may like. I apologize if you have to be logged into see it. I hate that. It might be on YouTube too, but i haven't looked yet. Depp talks about being in the studio/singing, and we get a longer bit of a song. I like the way he sounds!!
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=22328992 (http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=22328992)
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I agree, I found Corpse Bride to be tremendously unimpressive. Visually, it was very cool in the beginning (the scenes in the town and the mansion, for example) but the undead city/characters marked a departure from that. The songs, plot, characters and animation can't hold a candle to Nightmare Before Christmas. I was pretty disappointed overall with the movie. That being said, Ed Wood is brilliant, Nightmare Before Christmas is great and Edward Scissorhands was a very good movie as well. Burton has talent, he's just hit-or-miss (Planet of the Apes and Big Fish both missed the mark, although neither as badly as Corpse Bride did). Here's hoping Sweeney Todd will fall into the hits.
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Nightmare Before Christmas is my favorite movie ever made (and its freaking fantastic in Digital 3D). Corpse Bride was a bitter disappointment, but at least it wasn't Nightmare Before Christmas 2.
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Burton has talent, he's just hit-or-miss (Planet of the Apes and Big Fish both missed the mark, although neither as badly as Corpse Bride did).
I actually really liked Big Fish. It was a bit different than his previous films, but I don't see why it was sub par. Planet of the Apes and Corpse Bride, on the other hand, were pretty awful. (Both of them I had to force myself to finish.) Hopefully Sweeney Todd will be more along the lines of his earlier films (Beetle Juice, Nightmare, Scissorhands, etc).
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It's just that with a lot of his movies, they feel longer than they really are, which is generally not a good sign for me. I thought Big Fish was probably the closest in recent memory in terms of perceived and actual length.
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It's true, simple because it has Alan Rickman, Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter, and was directed by Tim Burton, I'm going to see it, but...I am wary. The trailer doesn't really sway me one way or the other because it's pretty much what I expected. I want it to be good, but I'm not sure if I'm really sold. Ah well. Until December.
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Wanting a movie to be good has lead to several disappointments for me.
Remember Smokin' Aces? That trailer made the movie look amazing. But it wasn't.
But you're right, I want this movie to be good. Because the play was good, and all those fabulous people are involved in it.
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I saw the first half of Sweeney Todd. It was a taping of the stage version. The first half is excellent. My roommate, who got to see the entire thing on stage in person for her music class, assures me that the rest is equally brilliant.
There is a song about meat pies . . . we were literally rolling about the classroom floor.
The story is deliciously disturbing. I expect Depp to prove to be excellent casting, and I am ridiculously pleased that they will be retaining the musical numbers.
And I think Cohen is actually a perfect choice for the character he has to play. He really reminds me of the dude who played that part in the stage version.
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To me this just seems to be another wave on the pop-culture phenomenon that has become Johnny Depp and Tim Burton worship. It all seemed to start when this whole "faux-goth" (offshoot of emo) thing started to get big these last few years.
The Nightmare Before Christmas re-emmerged as a popular film because of this movement, and Tim Burton is seen as a dark, and therefore appealing, director to this specific demographic.
And of course, with Depp as Sparrow in PotC, his popularity soars because they are good movies, and he does give a good performance, but everything gets blown out of proportion because "OMG JOHNNY DEPP IS HAWT" and he played a "dark" character in Edward Scissorhands, which, surprise, surprise, has some new popularity and merchandise just like TNBC.
Corpse Bride was, I thought, the culmination of this trend, namely, a Tim Burton/Johnny Depp movie, made to ride this wave even more because it featured the same stop-motion claymation that TNBC did.
Sweeny Todd appears to just be a continuation of this.
Tim Burton + Johnny Depp + Dark/Disturbed Character = Whinny faux-goth teens flock to the theaters in droves and add said character to the pop-culture hall-of-fame although its really not that great of a movie.
I don't think I really articulated this great, but oh well.
By the way, I'm not saying Tim Burton and Jonny Depp aren't talented, nor am I saying I don't enjoy their work. But, from what I've seen (Namely, those four years I spent in High School and all the time I spend online) they're way Overrated.
This thread doesn't help that imagine.
All that said, I didn't know Sweeny Todd was a play before a movie, and with that knowledge I know realize that this may actually have something going for it. Maybe not, but maybe.
Plus I love Alan Rickman.
Going to see the movie? Likely yes.
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Still, there is big difference between a stage musical with professional stage performers and singers, and a movie with Johnny Depp, who is merely a decent singer. Also there will be edits to the songs. No to that.
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I'm a sucker for a good musical, which I hope this will be.
Alan Rickman just adds to my excitement.
I can't wait to see this.
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To me this just seems to be another wave on the pop-culture phenomenon that has become Johnny Depp and Tim Burton worship. It all seemed to start when this whole "faux-goth" (offshoot of emo) thing started to get big these last few years.
The Nightmare Before Christmas re-emmerged as a popular film because of this movement, and Tim Burton is seen as a dark, and therefore appealing, director to this specific demographic.
And of course, with Depp as Sparrow in PotC, his popularity soars because they are good movies, and he does give a good performance, but everything gets blown out of proportion because "OMG JOHNNY DEPP IS HAWT" and he played a "dark" character in Edward Scissorhands, which, surprise, surprise, has some new popularity and merchandise just like TNBC.
Corpse Bride was, I thought, the culmination of this trend, namely, a Tim Burton/Johnny Depp movie, made to ride this wave even more because it featured the same stop-motion claymation that TNBC did.
Sweeny Todd appears to just be a continuation of this.
Tim Burton + Johnny Depp + Dark/Disturbed Character = Whinny faux-goth teens flock to the theaters in droves and add said character to the pop-culture hall-of-fame although its really not that great of a movie.
I don't think I really articulated this great, but oh well.
By the way, I'm not saying Tim Burton and Jonny Depp aren't talented, nor am I saying I don't enjoy their work. But, from what I've seen (Namely, those four years I spent in High School and all the time I spend online) they're way Overrated.
This thread doesn't help that imagine.
All that said, I didn't know Sweeny Todd was a play before a movie, and with that knowledge I know realize that this may actually have something going for it. Maybe not, but maybe.
Plus I love Alan Rickman.
Going to see the movie? Likely yes.
Johnny Depp and Tim Burton are both fantastic in their respective professions..I don't think they should stop collaborating because the emo kids have adopted Jack Skellington as their messiah. I personally think Johnny Depp's greatest character was Raoul Duke in 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' which wasn't (as far as I know) a Tim Burton vehicle, but I still like what they've done together. They're just buddies who like making movies with each other and can apparently make a killing doing so and selling the merch at Hot Topic...just because the goth kids like Edward Scissorhands doesn't make it a bad movie.
In this case it could just be people liking good movies because they're good and not because they're 'dark/disturbing/Tim Burton'. I'll give you that the Corpse Bride wasn't a masterpiece, but it was still pretty cool and I bet Tim Burton enjoyed using the stop motion medium again. Many of Johnny Depp's characters are angsty and 'dark' I suppose, but from what I've seen he's got a fantastic range and he never goes out of the way to try to be some big screen sex bomb...the 12-year-old girls just idolize Jack Sparrow in the same way the 15-year-old emos idolize Jack Skellington.
Personally I couldn't care less why anyone else likes or goes to a movie or how high they rank it in the pop-culture hall of fame..I'd rather just see it for myself.
Snape + Marla + Raoul? Yes plox.
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From 5 reviews, Sweeney Todd's gotten a 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. Encouraging.
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I personally think Johnny Depp's greatest character was Raoul Duke in 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' which wasn't (as far as I know) a Tim Burton vehicle
That movie was directed by Terry Gilliam, who is another fantastic director.
And no offense, but if you don't like something just because Hot Topic mall rats idolize it, get over it. I still like Tom Burton's work even though I saw some mall-goth teen girl hug a Nightmare Before Christmas t-shirt while saying, "Tim Burton is a GOD."
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I don't care what anyone says, you can't have Sweeney Todd without the ballad of its namesake. I'll pass.
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Considering a little over half of my play list is music from musicals. You know that I go and see every musical adaption film, not to mention every stage musical I can see(small town), not to mention auditioning for two musicals this week.
Also considering the fact, I fucking love Tim Burton as a designer, artist, and director, I am sooo excited. Personally I love Johnny Depp, however I agree with whoever said that the fangirl teenager ladies make me embarrassed to say I like his work.
Also, Sweeney Todd has one of my favorite scores, I've always wanted to see it on stage.
A couple musical buff friends and I are counting down the days.
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I saw Sweeney Todd in Boston..the actual musical. It was absolutely mind-blowing, emotinoal and amazing, easily one of the best musicals I've ever seen, surpassed only by Les Miserables and Miss Saigon. But I refuse to see this movie. Todd is supposed to have a gruff, booming voice, he is supposed to be a somewhat larger man--not fat, but large, imposing. Johnny Depp is the exact opposite of all of that. Hearing him singing "Epiphany" in the trailer made me want to cut off my ears to stop the pain. The whole thing is bullshit, plain and simple.
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It's unfair and a little silly to expect a movie and a stage adaption to be the same. They're supposed to be different, no director is going to make it the same(stage or film). I mean compare the LOTR Musical to the LOTR movie. Hell add on the book comparison and none of them are the same. Artists love to interpret things their own way.
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I plan on seeing it sometime around Christmas, assuming my local theater will get the film. Then in February a nearby college will be doing the musical, so I also plan on going to see that so I can compare the two. I am so excited.
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Personally I love Johnny Depp, however I agree with whoever said that the fangirl teenager ladies make me embarrassed to say I like his work.
Okay, I agree, but, I wonder if they've seen Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas or Donnie Brasco.
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So.
Fucking.
GOOD!
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Personally I love Johnny Depp, however I agree with whoever said that the fangirl teenager ladies make me embarrassed to say I like his work.
Okay, I agree, but, I wonder if they've seen Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas or Donnie Brasco.
I actually find my inner 14-year-old fangirl and my more prominent film geek persona at odds with each other. This led to me being strangely attracted to both Depp's performance in Fear and Loathing as well as his balding head... which has led to an even stranger attraction to all balding heads.
Anyway... back to Sweeney. I saw this flick at the midnight showing in Boston last night. I was definitely impressed. Depp's performance was reliably imaginative - like Burton he manages to achieve a high level of stylization without sacrificing genuine emotion. Carter's performance was great, especially towards the end, but I wish they had dubbed over her singing... I'm sorry, but it was distractingly boring (oxymoron?).
However, I think Alan Rickman, Sasha Baron Cohen, and that little kid who played Toby really stole the show. Rickman got me to actually sympathize with Turpin on some level, Cohen went from hilarious to terrifying in seconds flat, and the Toby kid (I'm too lazy for IMDB) made me want to get a little singing boy of my own.
Ignore the creepiness of that last statement. My roommate did. ("No, it would be like the puppy... Who is going to take care of it?")
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I agree with the post above me. Depp may not be the big man usually cast in the plays, so he isn't as booming, but he still conveys the sense of joy that the jollier men show well. As for Carter, she admitted in an interview that she wasn't exactly the greatest singer, so I went in ready or her. She plays the character very well, though, even if she isn't the most brilliant. She too is a lot more soft spoken then I've heard, and so seems much sadder about everything, but it's understandable. Cohen plays his character very well, the Pirelli is a strange man, and comes across as so. For Alan Rickman and Ed Sanders(the boy who played Toby) I couldn't be happier. Brilliant all around, and I particularly like the cinematography at the beginning. A lot of cleavage shots I noticed, but in a time period of corsets, I suppose that's to be expected. The blood is plentiful, and much more theatrical than real, a nice touch I thought. Being a musical lover, I have to give this at least and 8.5 outta 10, if not a nice round 9.
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I REALLY enjoyed this movie!
I just wish the songs didnt sound all the same though
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I loved the music, however... Johanna's, Anthony's, and Toby's voices were really "meh" to me. Also, Toby's supposed to be a little bit older, unless that kid's hitting puberty early. XD All in all though, a very good movie IMO.
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I saw this flick at the midnight showing in Boston last night.
It seems like you quite possibly just missed Rachel (pen) and I. We caught a showing at 7 at Boston Common.
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I REALLY enjoyed this movie!
I just wish the songs didnt sound all the same though
It's a Sondheim musical. It's expected. I thought it was brilliant, although it could have done without the love story between the teens. That was boring.
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But..but that's an important part of the story. That's nearly akin to saying 'I think Phantom of the Opera would've done better without that whiny Raoul dude.' She's Todd's daughter and if the boy didn't barge in at precisely the wrong moment, Todd would've killed Turpin before he decided he was gonna kill everyone.
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I SO wish they had an epilogue. Its not really a complaint, I respect Tim Burton's decision. But still, that ending was WAY too abrupt.
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I personally think Johnny Depp's greatest character was Raoul Duke in 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' which wasn't (as far as I know) a Tim Burton vehicle
That movie was directed by Terry Gilliam, who is another fantastic director.
And no offense, but if you don't like something just because Hot Topic mall rats idolize it, get over it. I still like Tom Burton's work even though I saw some mall-goth teen girl hug a Nightmare Before Christmas t-shirt while saying, "Tim Burton is a GOD."
I always wonder whether those children realise that Tim Burton designed the characters and funded the film but that's all. Rick Heinrichs directed it so I'm not sure that Burton deserves all the credit that he gets for that film.
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I just saw this today. I have to say, I was a bit disappointed. Maybe I was just so excited and expecting to love it and set too high expectations. But I thought at some points it moved a bit slowly and it didn't leave me wondering anything in a way that wasn't annoying.
But I did like it. The acting was great, and I just love Tim Burton's visual style. Some of the musical numbers are awesome. My favorite was the one where they realize how they can make meat pies with the bodies, and they go through all the "flavors" (judge, poet, priest, etc).
The ending was weird. I'm not sure if it was sad or annoying.
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Also, I never alleged to not like the music. I love the music and the style. Its just that it seemed to blend together, that none of the musical pieces really stood out (unlike Chicago whereas they made a grand spectacle out of everything.) But I guess it has a subtle meaning, something along the lines of,"Oh dont mind us! Just a couple of pie makers making pie out of dead bodies!" Or the musical numbers are trying to create some sort of effect like usual conversations that, at the end of the day, none stand out.
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Anyone who found this movie to be subpar is quite clearly mentally infirm. This was, without a doubt, the single best movie I have seen this year. I say this with the strongest of alcohol-induced conviction. I repeat - anyone who disagrees is obviously an asshole.
Thatwittygeek, your avatar offends me. Make it go away.
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whats wrong with it?
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I quite liked the movie. It had a good mood to it and was well acted. The characters were all a bit one dimensional and the singing was hit or miss for the most part but I enjoyed it. I went in thinking it was rated PG-13 for some reason so I was really surprised by the incredible bloodiness of it. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, I just wasn't expecting it. Definitely not kid friendly, that's for sure. Is this only Burton's second R rated movie?
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Man, I am jealous of all of you. None of the theaters in my area will be getting this movie, so I have to wait for it to come out on DVD to watch it.
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I SO wish they had an epilogue. Its not really a complaint, I respect Tim Burton's decision. But still, that ending was WAY too abrupt.
Agreed. It didn't feel quite over.
I saw it last night, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I had been prepared for Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter to sound terrible, so when they turned out better than that it was a pleasant surprise. The music was good of course, because as a musical, if it hadn't been it would've been a fucking waste of time. I could understand some complaints that is wasn't hammy enough but I think the overall tone of it was fine. The visuals where enjoyable, although the intro was a little misleading; you get the impression it's going to be Willy Wonka with blood instead of chocolate, and then you get the movie instead. Alan Rickman was phenomenal as ever, and that kid who played Toby was indeed, very good. All told, about a 7.9/10
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whats wrong with it?
To put it frankly, it's creepy as hell and personally it gives me the jibblies.
Saw it Friday! It was awesome! I think my favorite scenes are the one where the two decide to chop people up for pies and where Carter's character is having the fantasy they'd move near the sea and eventually get married and Depp keeps the same grim expression throughout the entire song. Hilarious.
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This film receives a generous C -.
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Not to sound negative, but on what grounds? As in, what about it didn't you like?
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i am biased about this movie because
1. i like johnny depp.
2. i like musicals.
3. i like tim burton.
4. i like helen carter.
5. i like alan rickman.
6. i like sacha baron cohen.
even if this movie had been the shittiest shitty movie that had come out all year i would have gone and seen it solely for johnny depp.
honestly, i was expecting this adaptation of Sweeny Todd to be nothing much more than "meh". i went because (1) i always enjoy johnny depp's acting and because (2 - 6) i was curious about everything else. i expected to enjoy the movie but only in the sense of seeing "yay good acting and pretty music" and then promptly forgetting about it until it was released on dvd.
that being said... this movie exceeded far beyond my expectations. i saw it the day before yesterday and i am going to see it again tomorrow. i am the kind of person who rarely rewatches movies, even ones i've really enjoyed, because i get bored the second time around... but i can't wait to see this movie again tomorrow. and this is not because of johnny depp, or tim burton, or musical fan-love... Sweeny Todd actually turned out to be a fabulously enjoyable film!
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I was incredibly impressed by this movie. I have never seen the musical, but I know the music, so when I heard they had cut out songs like "The Ballad of Sweeney Todd" and "Kiss Me", I was a little discouraged...but the movie really was awesome. The thing that I have learned about watching movie musical adaptations is that they're never going to be the same thing, but they're still okay even if they're different. (I'm a theater major, so musicals are huge for me and I love seeing them brought to film, even if they are different than their stage companions.) But man, what a powerhouse. I loved seeing Johnny Depp sing, though I thought he was incorporating a little too much Jack Sparrow into his speaking voice. The ensemble as a whole was really good, and I thought the costuming was fantastic.
My only complaint was that there was SO much blood! Holy crap! No holds barred here...
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I was pleasantly surprised by this movie.
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I was pretty disappointed by Depp. His singing voice was fair at best. I was not especially happy that they cut the Judge's rendition of "Johanna". I feel like everybody who wasn't Depp or Carter had their roles cut down to the bare bones: Anthony, Johanna and Judge Turpin seemed like completely empty characters, which sucked because I feel like he had the weakest voice in the cast.
That said, Helena Carter was a pleasant surprise. It was an interesting new take on Mrs. Lovett and the dynamic between her and Toby was nice. I approve of a younger child being cast and this Ed Sanders kid had an absolutely beautiful voice.
And because I think "Johanna" is one of the loveliest songs ever, I loved the film version.
Overall, okay. Probably won't watch it again, though.
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This was, without a doubt, the single best movie I have seen this year.
Have you seen No Country For Old Men yet?
Why am I asking? Oh, no reason.
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Not to sound negative, but on what grounds? As in, what about it didn't you like?
I'm very bored with Tim Burton. He's just so incredibly predictable.
Same setting/ambiance in most of his films, same Depp (who basically sounded like Jack Sparrow trying to be a member of The Sisters of Mercy), same Carter (who is in far too many of his films), same pseudo gothic make-up (the picnic scene where they are out in the sun and on the beach in goth garb is a hoot...), same just...everything. I could probably forgive those things though if the film had been as engaging and fun as the theatrical version.
I wasn't impressed with the music in the film, and Depp's singing voice leaves a lot to be desired. I also agree that basically everyone in the film played second fiddle to Depp & Carter and that the supporting cast roles were basically cut to shreds and were minimal at best, thus making any character development at all outside of the two primary characters virtually nonexistent. Why do I care if Todd kills Turpin when we barely see anything from Turpin at all in the film outside of the foundational narrative at the beginning and him peeking through a hole in the wall once in awhile? This is really ashame, since I love Alan Rickman, but yet again, his talents aren't utilized on the silver screen. Suffice to say, the most interesting character of the entire film was Signor Adolfo Pirelli, performed by Sacha Baron Cohen, whose performance was humorous and well-acted. I really can't be bothered to get caught up in the "omg Tim Burton!!" craze. I really haven't thoroughly enjoyed any of his films whatsoever since, maybe...Ed Wood? I almost gave up on Burton after Planet of the Apes, but with Big Fish, I thought that there was hope.
Now, I'm not so sure. :\ Although he does have fairly predictable projects coming up in the future - Alice in Wonderland, The Spook's Apprentice. I can only hope that in neither of these films is even the slightest trace of Depp or, more importantly - Jack Sparrow.
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I'm sure Depp will find his way into "Alice". Burton has become fairly predictable and somewhat stagnant in terms of originality but so have a lot of directors. Many films by directors like Scorsese and Wes Anderson have essentially made the same movie several times but they are no less enjoyable or engaging. Using the same actors never seemed like a downside to me and I'm not entirely sure how it could be. Sure the singing in "Todd" wasn't fantastic but that's no surprise and it's silly to walk into this movie expecting Broadway quality vocals. I do agree that the characters were very underdeveloped though. I found it hard to feel anything for any of them. The movie definitely has flaws and is nowhere near perfect (or anywhere near Burton's best work) but I still enjoyed it on the whole.
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I felt for Carter's character though, but not really anyone else..
I like the whole fact of using the same actors over and over again. Its like a theater troupe.
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I saw this last night and loved it. In terms of singing voices- I rather liked Depp's. Although it wasn't perfect, it was rather fitting for his character. I couldn't stand Johanna's voice, but that is more of my own personal preference than a comment on talent.
I was never a big fan of Tim Burton and never understood the fanaticism that followed him, but this movie shined some light on the reason. The humor and beauty within the dark and horrible, teamed up with clever and sometimes gorgeous songs- I am in love. The visual effects were perfect. Everything was dark and dingy, while the blood so bright and red...oh I loved it.
Also, I want all of the outfits that Mrs. Lovett wore.
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I really think they should have left in "Kiss Me," because that sets up the whole subplot with Johanna and Anthony, essentially. Instead we got this weird "love at first sight" thing, and when he takes her out of the asylum, I don't even think she knows his name. It just didn't seem practically plausible, or maybe that was just me. I dunno. It would have given Johanna more than one song, though, and I think she had a gorgeous voice. She should have been given more singing time.
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i cannot wait to see this... my stupid city's movie theatre is not showing it until january 11. lame.
i've heard nothing but good reviews about it though... but really, how can you go wrong with johnny depp + alan rickman? the answer is you can't.
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Captian Zoe (If that is a reference to Firefly, you = awesome), I agree that there should have been more scenes to make sense of Johanna and Anthony's love. I rather hate love-at-first-sight scenes in movies because it really relies only on looks and seems superficial and ridiculous.
I'm probably just thinking too much on it, but what really is the chance Anthony, who has seen the world and is quite intelligent, would have any interest in a psychologically screwed up young girl who has been locked in her room her entire life? Ah well.
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(It's not a reference to Firefly, but I think that show is awesome anyway! :lol:)
Right. The whole love-at-first-sight thing doesn't hold much sway with me, so when I see it in movies it kinda pisses me off. Mostly because it doesn't happen like that in the real world. Though I guess that is the charm and appeal of a movie, after all....
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I saw this last night. I liked it a lot, more than I was expecting to. I love musicals but I really wasn't sure that this would be a good movie for bursting randomly into song (even though I know that it is based on a Broadway musical)
Having never seen the actual musical, I can't comment on any changes that were made but I agree that the whole Love-at-first-sight thing was ridiculous.
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i liked the love-at-first sight aspect to anthony's and joanna's relationship. i thought it added an element of fairy tale innocence - knight sees fair maiden in tower, knight rescues maiden, they live happily ever after- to their love. i thought that their naivite provided a nice contract between them and all the other characters (besides toby) who are all creepy and deranged in some way.
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I enjoyed this movie quite a bit. The voices were nothing spectacular but that doesn't matter in a movie, where the recordings can be played with to help the tone and volume. That being said Toby had a very nice voice and really showed it off in "No one will hurt you."
My favorite song was the meat pie song with social commentary broken down by how different professions would taste. That I think would be a fun discussion or maybe a thread, but I'll leave that to someone else since I'm a novice here.
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Every time I see the title of this movie/musical, I start humming "Swanee River" to myself.
Now, I am stoked to see this moosical. I'm just trying to find someone to see it with me. The Man isn't "into musicals." *rolls eyes at him* Maybe I'll go by myself then!
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Just let him know about the copious amount of blood, cannibalism, and Alan Rickman. Those should really be enough to get any guy to go. Also, MURDER and INTRIGUE!! All very interesting things.
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Just let him know about the copious amount of blood, cannibalism, and Alan Rickman. Those should really be enough to get any guy to go. Also, MURDER and INTRIGUE!! All very interesting things.
He's right. I wasn't planning on seeing it just because 100% of musicals that I have been subjected to made me want to maim someone nearby.
Now I get to watch maiming going on so it balances out. Can't wait for the movie, now actually.
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I was seriously impressed with this movie. While the actors did not leave the kind of impression that players in a live show would, the direction and design really make up for it in a big way.
I give it 9 out of ten Smiley Face emoticons. I'm tempted to remove a smiley face for the omission of "The Ballad of Sweeney Todd" though.
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P.S. Sacha Cohen a.k.a. Ali G was once again the perfect pompous Eurotrash asshole.
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It didn't have Neil Patrick Harris as Toby. I am ashamed...
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This was brilliant.
As I understand it the voices left much to be desired, but since I'm basically tone deaf, this didn't really affect me. There was some amazing imagery. I loved it.
It also moved really quickly, and was a lot easier to follow than the actual musical.
But yeah, basically a Tim Burton love fest.
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mmm, a Tim Burton love-fest...taken literally that would be so incredibly sexy and disturbing all at once. And probably include a lot of necrophilia.
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I'd watch it.
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Somehow I don't see a Tim Burton love-fest as having a lot of necrophilia. Maybe some S&M, some old bones as sex toys, but no bodies. That's not his thing. There would be a lot of 19th century evening-wear, though.
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I'd still watch it.
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I saw it again yesterday :)
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Did anyone else have a huuuuge urge to eat pot pies after seeing this movie?
I'm gonna go see if AmPm has any...
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words...
I suppose I can see where you are coming from, but frankly I don't really agree with what you are saying. I would say that the recent trends are more likely adopting Tim Burton's work because it suits the overall nature of what they are going for. To say that Tim Burton is catering to that group of people is just...well wrong. He has been doing his own thing for so many years, even when he was ridiculed as being too over the top. He wrote a book of short stories called The Melancholy Death of Oyster Boy (some of which can be read here http://homepage.eircom.net/~sebulbac/burton/home.html (http://homepage.eircom.net/~sebulbac/burton/home.html)) and has been making movies since 1990. I just think that to say he is making decisions based solely off of a certain demographic is silly, especially when all of his work is dripping with morbidity and is almost always macabre. If his style took a turn toward these things later in his career after that sub-group emerged, then maybe I could see that as being more valid. I am not "faux-goth" or whatever off-shoot of emo that might wear Jack Skellington merch whenever humanly possible, but I do appreciate Burton's morbid sense of reality. Not everyone that enjoys Tim Burton's movies are going to be a part of that sub-culture, much like myself, so it is a fallacy to generalize to such an extreme. Not only this, but his wit and sense of irony often are geared more toward people of a more "average" persuasion. For example, with Edward Scissorhands. Tim Burton was (very ironically) ridiculing conformity and pointing out that most of us are very insincere in our acceptance of that which is different.
Todd is supposed to have a gruff, booming voice, he is supposed to be a somewhat larger man--not fat, but large, imposing. Johnny Depp is the exact opposite of all of that. Hearing him singing "Epiphany" in the trailer made me want to cut off my ears to stop the pain. The whole thing is bullshit, plain and simple.
I have seen several smaller men play Todd, and I don't think that the performance was lacking for it. If you don't like his voice though, then there is no helping that. I think my favorite portrayals of Todd have been those that show him as being an imposing man because of the way he carries himself, not because of physical size. In any written depiction of Sweeney Todd I suppose I never saw a very physically formidable man. Always a man that impressed everyone with his wit and his abilities as a jack of all trades. Plus Ben Kingsley played Todd in a non-musical version of the story, and I thought he did quite a wonderful job. Kingsley is not exactly a big dude, but he IS a fantastic actor.
As far as Sweeney Todd the motion picture goes, I adored it. Of course you always will have to take into consideration that the adaptation of a stage production to the screen is going to be a little wonky, but I think that it was executed rather well. Particularly in this instance, as the music is rather difficult, especially for those that do not do this sort of thing professionally. I must confess that I did not have very high hopes for Johnny Depp's singing voice, so I was definitely pleasantly surprised. Plus I could not imagine better actors to work with Burton: Helena Bonham-Carter, Johnny Depp, and Alan Rickman (his speaking voice makes me swoon). Overall, it is win. I continue to appreciate Burton's contributions.
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Ah, it's finally coming to Fargo on Friday. I am a happy girl. Also I just got the soundtrack and would like to add that I think Johnny Depp's singing voice is surprisingly good. He'll never star on Broadway, no, but he could sing for me any day.
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Plus Ben Kingsley played Todd in a non-musical version of the story, and I thought he did quite a wonderful job. Kingsley is not exactly a big dude, but he IS a fantastic actor.
Did he really? On stage or on film? If it's the latter I really need to check that out.
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What the fuck, guys? (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=sweeneytodd.htm)
This movie, which is getting an aggregate 86% on Rotten Tomatoes, has yet to even break even on production budget.
Given, there are some buts: But it's in relatively limited release, but it's yet to premiere outside the US, but musicals historically do poorly anyway (Sweeney Todd is actually just barely behind Annie in terms of box office gross), etc. It's still rather sad.
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I'm gonna go with option three. The majority of movie-goers in America aren't exactly members of the Leonard Bernstein Fan Club (or in this case Sondheim). Hell, I'm not seeing the movie, either.
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Plus Ben Kingsley played Todd in a non-musical version of the story, and I thought he did quite a wonderful job. Kingsley is not exactly a big dude, but he IS a fantastic actor.
Did he really? On stage or on film? If it's the latter I really need to check that out.
It is a film, so I am sure you can find it somewhere. And hey, if you have Comcast Digital Cable, it is free on demand right now. :-D
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I saw this around the week it came out, and my first reaction was "Is this some weird twisted Harry Potter flim in an alternate universe? I was pleasantly surprised by Depp singing abilities at times, mostly when he belted out that line about vengence. Other than that, I didn't really like the movie so much, mostly because Mrs. Lovett's character bothered me for some reason, and I really wanted to see more of Turpin.
Also, Rickman and Depp's duet? <3's for them.
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All I could picture while listening to that was Professor Snape dancing around the dungeons of Hogwarts and singing.
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I saw this around the week it came out, and my first reaction was "Is this some weird twisted Harry Potter flim in an alternate universe?
That was actually the same reaction Rachel and I had when we went to see it. Between Carter, Rickman and Spall, you've got three Harry Potter movie alumni in the film (Lestrange, Snape and Wormtail for those counting). As if that wasn't enough, I downloaded the 2006 BBC adaptation and lo and behold, the dude who played Filch was in it.
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What really made me think that was the fact that I saw OotF and the 3rd Pirates movie the week before, so it seemed like someone took Jack Sparrow, and then the bad guys minions of Harry Potter and made a really weird and messed up cross over fanfic and then filmed it. And I really want to see the version that the guy who plays Filch was in.
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All I could picture while listening to that was Professor Snape dancing around the dungeons of Hogwarts and singing.
Me too. I listened to the soundtrack before I saw the movie, and on one track Alan Rickman says "Mister Todd," nearly the same way he always says "Mister Potter," in the HP films. Too funny.
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This comes out in Australia fairly soon (like within a month?) I'm seeing it.
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Well it just came out in Australia, I just saw it, thought it was pretty great.
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I just got back from the cinema, having watched this movie (yes, we get certain movies laaaate), and I just had to put down somewhere that I thought it was absolutely amazing, even though I don't really have much else to say. I didn't really know what to expect, except that I knew it would be morbid, because, honestly, I'm not familiar with the story from earlier - but I sat there grinning almost constantly.
Just fucking awesome.
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I saw a rather brilliant production of this play at the Ahmanson Theatre in Los Angeles, in which the cast was pared down to the ten main characters, and instead of a pit orchestra, each actor had an instrument (or in some cases, multiple instruments) upon which they played the music for each song. There were no set changes, and so working with these limitations, the production relied very heavily upon symbolism and creative staging, which brought the focus square upon not the set, or the production design, or any sort of grandiose spectacle, but squarely upon the words and the music, which, in a musical so rich with beautiful compositions and clever wordplay, is exactly where it belongs.
Later that night, while at a friend's house, I happened to catch a few minutes of Tim Burton's adaptation, and--let me preface this by saying that I am not the biggest fan of Mr. Burton's work anyway--it was terrible. After seeing such a spot-on production, to watch it dashed upon the rocks of big-budget Hollywood convention and Tim Burton's own hackneyed stylistic conventions (everything is grey and dirty! Everyone is pale and their hair is long and stringy for no discernable reason!) was extremely offputting. I didn't see much of the movie, but what I did see--such as Helena Bonham Carter making it extremely obvious that there's only one reason she got the female lead, and Johnny Depp more or less rehashing his Captain Jack Sparrow routine, as far as facial and vocal cues went--made me not want to watch the rest.
Although my sister now owns it on DVD, so I'll probably have to at some point during the summer.
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I quite liked the film actually. It was quite obviously a Burton film and a pretty Burton cast as well but all in all it was pretty enjoyable. I was a little disappointed with Depp's accent, it's obviously the only British accent he can pull off but again it was enjoyable. You have to keep in mind though that I've loved all of Burton's films even if they are mostly the same. It wasn't high art, it wasn't cinematographically amazing and sure the singing wasn't upto Broadway standards but what did you honestly expect from a Burton film?
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I saw a rather brilliant production of this play at the Ahmanson Theatre in Los Angeles, in which the cast was pared down to the ten main characters, and instead of a pit orchestra, each actor had an instrument (or in some cases, multiple instruments) upon which they played the music for each song. There were no set changes, and so working with these limitations, the production relied very heavily upon symbolism and creative staging, which brought the focus square upon not the set, or the production design, or any sort of grandiose spectacle, but squarely upon the words and the music, which, in a musical so rich with beautiful compositions and clever wordplay, is exactly where it belongs.
I haven't seen Sweeney Todd onstage, but this was the interpretation that was put on during the Tonys telecast I saw back when the play was revived (I'm not gay I swear) and it was pretty impressive. Sort of highlighted how odd Johnny Depp's casting was (usually Todd is a hefty bass-baritone) but then like you say, with Burton you're either grotesquely thin or grotesquely fat, and it doesn't do to have a fat hero. Most theater geeks I know hated Depp in the role. He really does hang on those Ns, doesn't he?
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I saw it last night, and I'm really glad I didn't read this thread before I did. I'm very impressionable.
First off: To the people who think Johnny Depp just reprised his Jack Sparrow accent and body language... I don't know how else to say it besides "No he didn't?" Maybe you haven't seen Pirates recently. His Todd voice had less growl, less swing to it, as did his body language. He kept his shoulders taut, but not hunched, and his movements were just different. They were cutting. I think he did a good job, if you're saying that his British accents weren't different enough for your liking that's fine. I mean, they're both British and that's good enough for me. (B is for British, that's good enough for meeeee...)
I hate Sondheim, I guess. I didn't like Into the Woods, and I didn't really like this music either. It wasn't bad, but it was too "I'm going to cram as many words as I can into a phrase because writing dialogue is somehow cheating."
I like the story. I mean, I saw the big Surprise coming from the first time "Mad Hettie"* approached Anthony outside the Judge's house (I'm trying not to spoil it for people who haven't seen it yet) but I still enjoyed the rest of the story. I do prefer a happy ending, but again, isn't the ending we got a classic Sondheim one? Man, I do not feel like I am expressing much of this properly. Please bear with me, I'm just hesitant commenting on musical things in general.
I kept forgetting to dislike Alan Rickman! :-D God help me, he could probably dropkick a baby and I'd still like him. As long as it wasn't my baby. I just love his voice. I liked everyone! I even had sympathy for Mrs. Lovett, yet I still was glad to see her go. I thought all the actors did well, and Johanna and Anthony made the best they could with what they were given. I also don't blame Johanna for her shitty singing voice. Did you see her nose? Does she even have nostrils? Bitch can't breathe.
Man I sure did spend an hour reading the true story. Thanks a lot OP.
*Didn't she remind you of Mad Hettie from Sandman?
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Watching it again for the third time, it lost its luster.
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A lot of this movie was amazing, but holy shit the ending. Movies do not tend to make me feel sick and slightly faint and dizzy EVER. This one did.
I don't know if I'll be watching it again.