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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: kivenkantaja on 20 Nov 2007, 00:26
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I'm a huge fan of obscure metal that managed to get mentioned in QC. Which, coincidentally, made me love both QC, Jeph and Dora so much more all at the same time.
Things such as Opeth... who are friggen great. Jazz Metal Fusion crazy shit!
and Agalloch. Interestingly enough, I believe Marten was wearing an Agalloch shirt in a couple of the panels. Which made me so happy.
Thoughts? Concerns? Insults? Lay 'em at me. Opinions will be thoroughly read, dismissed, and the user will be made fun of. Not necessarily in that order.
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Dude, Opeth isn't obscure. They're on Roadrunner. Agalloch is more so, but still.
Also, you're gonna need to be a bit more specific than 'hay metal is pretty awesome right guys'. Are you looking to find new bands? Hell, what kind of metal are you even talking about? There's about a billion different kinds.
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This board is really, really metal-savvy.
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Also, I'm going to go ahead and say that you should listen to Skyclad.
Because it doesn't really matter what kind of music you like. You should still listen to Skyclad.
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It was really just a general blathering of a 1.30 am boredom session.
I like metal. All of it.. mostly.
And yeah, Opeth ain't obscure no-more.
but, things like Stolen Babies, Divinity, Green Carnation, Pelican, etc are a bit more obscure.
Though this board sounds like it would know who all those bands are.. except for maybe Divinity.
If somebody does know who they are who arn't from where I'm from... I'll totally give you imaginary hero-cookies.
I havn't heard of skyclad, I will check them out.
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I was just stoked that Mastodon were mentioned a few times throughout the strip. I don't care if they're not obscure or anything, they're one of my favourite bands.
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I wandered off and forgot I hadn't posted it, but I was going to write as the first comment in this thread:
Dude, Opeth aren't obscure. They're on a major record label. They chart in the US. They've sold over a million albums.
STORM ARE MINDS ARE KIND OF ALIKE.
When you say Divinity, are you talking about the defunct symph-black band or the active MDM band? I think they're both from Canada. I'd say Stolen Babies was the most obscure band you mentioned there.
EDIT: oooh, lets have a competition to see who can mention the most obscure metal band! Askuror, Pagan Spirit, Matriarch.
Okay I won lets move on.
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metallica
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Jeph I am madly in anger with you because of that statement.
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I've got a Metallica t-shirt.
In my defense, I didn't buy it. I won it in a headbanging competition.
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I wandered off and forgot I hadn't posted it, but I was going to write as the first comment in this thread:
Dude, Opeth aren't obscure. They're on a major record label. They chart in the US. They've sold over a million albums.
STORM ARE MINDS ARE KIND OF ALIKE.
When you say Divinity, are you talking about the defunct symph-black band or the active MDM band? I think they're both from Canada. I'd say Stolen Babies was the most obscure band you mentioned there.
EDIT: oooh, lets have a competition to see who can mention the most obscure metal band! Askuror, Pagan Spirit, Matriarch.
Okay I won lets move on.
You win. And you confuse me with the term MDM. I googled it. Nothin' came up. and they're def. not synth-black.
Yeah, Opeth used to be obscure when I started listening to them. But yes, now they are big. and still awesome.
METALLICA TOTALLY RULZ MAN!!!! They have some good tunes pre-black album.
Funny story about them, which is entirely false, though I think is humerous.
It's my take on the origin of their name.
During their first-ever show, mr. singer dude.. lars.. or lance.. or kirk.. or whoever, when yelling their name for the first-ever time outside of their jam-space, added his obligitory, "Ahhh" like he does to everything.
They're original name, "METALLIC!" but, upon yelling the cursed words, "WE ARE METALLIC-AHHHHH" everybody thought it was better so they changed it.
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Melodic Death Metal
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Melodic Death Metal
Ahaa, that makes sense. I was never one of acronyms. lol rofl copter <.< >.>
I guess you can call them Melodic Death. More... Melodic Math Death. They're from Calgary, just got signed to Nuclear Blast Germany.
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Okay yeah, I thought it would probably be them.
What's Nuclear Blast Germany? It's just Nuclear Blast dude. Can't just go putting countries names after a record labels.
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Okay yeah, I thought it would probably be them.
What's Nuclear Blast Germany? It's just Nuclear Blast dude. Can't just go putting countries names after a record labels.
I went cross-canada touring with them in August.. fucking cool.. but Toronto sucks.
Er, Nuclear Blast... based in germany and/or their germany branch. Or something.
but yes, jsut Nuclear Blast.
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Yes, Nuclear Blast are based in Germany.
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I just listen to music, I don't care who it comes from.
I thought Nuclear Blast had a few offices around the world.
Unless it's from The End.. I haven't been disappointed in one of their bands.
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Opeth aren't obscure, they're just awesome!
if you like opeth you might also enjoy:
Solstafir
Into Eternity
In The Woods
and metal recommendations in general:
Aghora (progressive cynic-esque metal with femal vocals)
Alchemist (somewhere between neurosis, tool, mastodon, Isis and tons of other cool bands)
Ahab (german funeral doom)
Anacrusis (technical thrash witch weird vocals)
Arcturus (avantgarde weird trip-post-black methal thingy)
Atheist (gods of technical florida death metal)
Bathory (oldscool black metal / viking metal)
Bloodbath (swedish Death metal))
Communic (progressive thrash metal)
Cryptopsy (awesome technical bruthal death metal)
Cynic (best "death" metal band ever! very jazzy and beautiful)
Death (no further comment required)
Direwolf (some technical-progressive-black metal-thing)
Enslaved (viking metal)
Ephel Duath (avantgarde jazz-metal-fusion)
Fates Warning (progressive metal)
Frederik Thordendahl's special defects (extremely technical jazzy soloproject of meshuggah guitarrist)
Grave (oldscool death metal)
Immolation (oldscool death metal)
Immortal (black metal)
Korum (technical death metal with motörhead-like vocals)
Kronos (technical bruthal death metal)
Linear sphere (technical progressive thrash metal)
Madder Mortem (avant-garde dark metal)
Martyr (extremely technical bruthal death metal)
Mekong Delta (technical thrash metal, sometimes adaptions from classic music)
Morbid Angel (Death Metal)
Mourning Beloveth (funeral doom)
My Dying Bride (Dark / Doom - metal)
Nasum (grindcore)
Necrophagist (Technical Brutal Death Metal)
Negura Bunget (Black Metal)
Neurosis (neurosis music)
Nile (technical brutal death)
Nortt (funeral black metal)
Planet X (Jazz-Space Metal-fusion)
Psychotic Waltz (best Progressive metal ever)
Psyopus (hilariously technical death/grind/core-something)
Sadist (technical jazzy thrash metal)
Scariot (technical progressive thrash metal)
Shape of despair (funeral doom)
Spiral Architect (unbelievably technical)
Spastic Ink (technical guitar masturbation)
Suffocation (brutal death)
Summoning (atmospheric lord of the rings - dark metal)
Tholus (technical death metal)
Toxik (technical thrash)
Twisted into form (like spiral architect)
Ulver (awesome)
Unexpect (weird avantgarde progressive circus melodic jazz black metal gipsy music something)
Vader (death metal)
Watchtower (technical progressive metal)
btw: Nuclear blast sucks terribly
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You forgot Incantation (No I'm not describing it).
Oh, and Astriaal, Ackecocke, and Khold.
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EDIT: oooh, lets have a competition to see who can mention the most obscure metal band! Askuror, Pagan Spirit, Matriarch.
Okay I won lets move on.
I HAVE NOT HAD MY TURN YET.
Also: The only Divinity I'm aware of is from Canada. They're pretty good.
Finally: Yes, Metal is awesome. It is clearly the best genre out there, and those who are unaware of this fact are to be pitied. Can I recommend you get some High on Fire? Death is the Communion is a totally awesome album. And please don't listen to Opeth. Also: NEUROSIS AND ISIS.
But if there's one band recommendation I would give you, it would totally be The Angelic Process. Their newest album is the perfect mix of shoegaze and metal. You WILL blow your load listening to it.
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I really don't see what is so great about Skyclad at all @ this board. Everyone is always raving about them in one way or another, and just like Slint, they are excessively overrated here. :roll:
That said, here are a few of my fave metal releases so far this year...
Abigor - Fractal Possession
Ajattara - Kalmanto
Alcest - Souvenirs D'un Autre Monde
Alchemist - Tripsis
Altorių Šešėliai - Margi Sakalai
Anaal Nathrakh - Hell Is Empty And All The Devils Are Here
Arkhon Infaustus - Orthodoxyn
Black Funeral - Waters Of Weeping
Blood Of The Black Owl - Blood Of The Black Owl
Corpus Christii - Rising
Darkthrone - F.O.A.D.
Deathspell Omega - Fas - Ite, Maledicti, in Ignem Aeternum
Doomsword - My Name Will Live On
Eminenz - Eminenz
Evoken - A Caress Of The Void
Farsot - IIII
Forest Of Impaled - Rise And Conquer
Forgotten Tomb- Negative Megalomania
Frostmoon Eclipse - Another Face Of Hell
Glorior Belli - Manifesting The Raging Beast
Gospel Of The Horns - Realm Of The Damned
Hel - Tristheim
Horna - Haudankylmyyden Mailla
Immolation - Shadows In The Light
Impaled Nazarene - Manifest
Impiety - Formidonis Nex Cultus
Krohm - The Haunting Presence
Lifelover - Erotik
Locus Mortis - Voust
Morkheim - Danske Hymer Til Morket
Morrigan - The Damned
Municipal Waste - The Art Of Partying
Neurosis - Given To The Rising
Nile - Ithyphallic
Novembre - The Blue
Omega Massif - Geisterstadt
Portal - Outre'
Primordial - To The Nameless Dead
Red Harvest - A Greater Darkness
Slavland - Echa Wieków Pradawnych
The Foreshadowing - Days Of Nothing
The Ruins Of Beverast - Rain Upon The Impure
Thunderbolt - Apocalyptic Doom
Trelldom - Til Minne
Varg - Wolfszeit
Walknut - Graveforests And Their Shadows
Watain - Sworn to the Dark
Wolves In The Throne Room - Two Hunters
Xasthur - Defective Epitaph
:-D
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You forgot Incantation (No I'm not describing it).
Oh, and Astriaal, Ackecocke, and Khold.
you're right, I forgot ackercocke
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Did you remember Akercocke?
I wouldn't usually be a dick, but when you're giving people names to put in search engines an extraneous "c" can really fuck things about.
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Talking of metal, I am so horribly jealous of anyone who is able to go to this, undoubtedly set to be one of the finest musical events of all time:
Magic Circle Music
Proudly Presents
The Magic Circle Festival 2008
“The Kings Of Metal 20th Anniversary Event”
Bad Arolsen, Germany
• 4 days of unlimited metal madness
• 20,000 free beers
• 20,000 free copies of the new MANOWAR single
• 4 Custom Built Choppers owned by MANOWAR band members given away
• 6 classic MANOWAR albums performed live in their entirety
• $115.00 (80 EUR), for the greatest heavy metal gathering of the year
What more could anyone ask for?
Maybe the real question is, what more could there be?
This is ultimate Christmas present to the Greatest Fans On Earth:
From now until December 31st, everyone who purchases a ticket to the Magic Circle Festival 2008 will receive not only a FREE newly designed Magic Circle Festival t-shirt, but - get ready for this - you will also receive a copy of the new ‘Magic Circle Festival Volume 1’ Double DVD FREE!!!
AND - Tickets are on sale now!
After the incredible success of the first-ever Magic Circle Festival in 2007, with an attendance of over 25,000 fans, Magic Circle Music and MANOWAR are pleased to announce a bigger, better and of course louder Magic Circle Festival in 2008.
Never content to be simply “good enough”, MANOWAR and Magic Circle Music fully intend to make this year’s festival twice as good as the original. While the original festival lasted two days, the 2008 edition, will last a full four days, starting on Wednesday and continuing through Saturday night. The event will take place amidst vast campgrounds so that fans can be there from start to finish.
Beginning on Wednesday July 9th at 12:00 noon, a true heavy metal fan - the reigning “Mr. Metal” Udo Sapper - will break the chains to the campground in a welcoming ceremony that will open the festival campgrounds to all the fans of true metal. This is when the party will begin. While fans begin to enter the campground and unpack, music will be heard from a stage set up in the campground, as bands from all around the world will compete in a “Battle Of The Metal Bands Contest”. The winning band will play on the main festival stage and be awarded with a recording contract from Magic Circle Music. Fans can submit their band videos for judging through www.youtube.com with more details forthcoming.
From that point on, 20,000 free beers will be given away to fans in attendance.
Closing the day’s festivities that evening will be a torch lit ceremony where the Viking ship that appeared onstage during the Demons, Dragons and Warriors tour and was used during last year’s festival will be completely burned and sent to Valhalla.
On Thursday, Mr. Metal will lead the legions of the metal army to open the main festival grounds to the public as he runs through the festival ground - torch in hand - on his way to the stage tower that will light the eternal flame of metal, which will burn atop the stage for the length of the festival. Then, all fans can meet, hang out and get autographs from MANOWAR, HolyHell and other bands that will play the festival.
Later that evening, everyone will be able to attend the sound check that will give fans a chance to preview the next two days of metal devastation. And at 12:00 midnight, there will be an open air screening of the long-awaited new MANOWAR DVD, ‘Hell On Earth Part 5’ which will be released that same day.
Where the original festival saw two custom-built chopper motorcycles given away, in 2008, four totally unique, custom-built choppers - personally owned and used by MANOWAR - will be given away to lucky fans; These are the exact same bikes that have adorned the pages of every major rock and biker magazine the world over.
The year 2008 will mark the 20th anniversary of the classic MANOWAR album “Kings Of Metal”. In the words of Joey DeMaio “It’s a party and you’re all invited to celebrate”. In order to commemorate this momentous occasion, Magic Circle Music will once again construct one of the largest stages in Germany. On this massive stage, MANOWAR will perform their first six albums in their entirety.
On Friday night, the Metal Kings will perform “Battle Hymns”, “Into Glory Ride” and “Hail To England”. On Saturday “Sign Of The Hammer”, “Fighting The World” and finally “Kings Of Metal” will all be played from start to finish. This set will also feature a bombastic first-time rendition of “The Crown And The Ring (Lament Of The Kings)”, which will feature the original choir and orchestral performance that has never been seen before.
All of this will only cost $115.00 (80 EUR).
Imagine a 4-day festival for less than the price of a regular concert ticket. But that is not all. This admission fee will also include parking and camping.
Magic Circle Music encourages fans to write in and submit any ideas they have for the Magic Circle Festival 2008.
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Tickets are now available for purchase via Credit Card or PayPal and two additional methods of payment are coming soon. For more information, please visit www.magiccirclemusic.com and www.manowar.com.
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Wow, I'm not even a huge metal fan and that sounds amazing.
I wish indie kids organized something like this.
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That sounds pretty awesome. Then again, I'm interested to see what the rest of the line-up is. At the moment, it just sounds like a four day long Manowar concert, which is, of course, pretty fucking awesome.
Then again, Iron Maiden are headlining Wacken Open Air this year.
That is an event somewhat like the planets aligning to unleash the four horsemen...OF THE AROCKALYPSE.
\m/
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The rest of the line-up will undoubtedly be terrible (particularly seeing as HolyHell are the only confirmed band so far). But as you say, it will basically be an extended Manowar gig. With free beer. And free motorcycles. And Sign of The motherfucking Hammer. Immense.
Speaking of the Wacken line-up, I wonder if Carcass are going to be any good?
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The line-up for the re-union is Steer, Walter, Amott, Erlandsson.
So hopefully yes. The only real worry is that Bill Steer hasn't done anything since Swansong apart from blues rock. One can imagine a scenario where the melodic tendencies of Swansong are taken too far in re-interpreting old material, thus ruining classics.
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Wait, fucking Carcass is going to be there?
Goddamn you Europeans.
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A good lady friend of mine just ordered tickets to Wacken.
Man, I wish I could go.
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Wacken is insane for reunion gigs, and is pretty much an obligatory stop on any reunion tour.
This is why I have seen Sabbat, Immortal, Atheist and Emperor live, but you guys haven't.
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Fuck you, Khar.
Now that I think about it, tickets to Wacken would cost me about what I earn in two months on a soldier's pay.
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Wacken is insane for reunion gigs, and is pretty much an obligatory stop on any reunion tour.
This is why I have seen Sabbat, Immortal, Atheist and Emperor live, but you guys haven't.
I've seen Emperor and Immortal live before they broke up or were "on hold" the first time.
Not the other two though, but you can replace them with At the Gates and Dissection. ;)
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I've got a Metallica t-shirt.
In my defense, I didn't buy it. I won it in a headbanging competition.
Well, if it's pre Load you shouldn't be ashamed. ...And Justice for All is one of my favorite thrash albums ever.
Also, in terms of metal bands whose names haven't been beaten over our heads a million times, I'd have to say Meshuggah and Periphery.
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Agalloch, isnt that some god of chaos in moorcocks books?
Anyway my recomedation is arsis
Nb. Man down in Nz we dont get anyone decent coming : (
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Holy shit, they're pulling out metal indie cred.
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Then again, Iron Maiden are headlining Wacken Open Air this year.
Holy mother of god, Im even more tempted to go now. Dammit I cannot afford trips to Germany to see Iron Maiden!
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Wacken is insane for reunion gigs, and is pretty much an obligatory stop on any reunion tour.
This is why I have seen Sabbat, Immortal, Atheist and Emperor live, but you guys haven't.
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
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I was trying to get the support spot for Immortal when they come out next year, we know the guy who is organizing it and we were most disappointed, if not surprised, when they said it was already booked. Ah well.
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Agalloch, isnt that some god of chaos in moorcocks books?
No.
I honestly don't really care much about At The Gates, fantastically over-rated band, but I wouldn't have minded seeing Dissection. Did you see the real Dissection, or Rebirth of Dissection?
There's nothing I'd swap for having seen Sabbat, except maybe Martin Walkyier re-joining Skyclad and doing a small venues tour of the British Isles.
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Agalloch, isnt that some god of chaos in moorcocks books?
No.
My bad thats Arioch :/
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I honestly don't really care much about At The Gates, fantastically over-rated band, but I wouldn't have minded seeing Dissection. Did you see the real Dissection, or Rebirth of Dissection?
While I do agree that At The Gates are "fantastically over-rated" these days, and the plethora of clone-bands or artists that were inspired by them are usually always painful to listen to, I was a pretty big fan when "Slaughter Of the Soul" first dropped, and at that time, it was pretty much something people hadn't heard before, unless of course you were listening to Eucharist and Cardinal Sin before anyone. They put on a great show.
Real Dissection. Same show as ATG. :-)
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if you want an obscure band that is absolutely amazing, check out Dawnbringer.
They're on Battle Kommand records, their newest record, In Sickness And In Dreams, is ace.
While you're at it, check out:
Without Grief- "Deflower" (melodic death with seven minute songs that aren't boring)
Dimension Zero- "Penetrations From The Lost World" (like At The Gates, but with harsher vocals)
Disarmonia Mundi- "Mindtricks" (the singer from Soilwork in a band that's better than current Soilwork)
Dawn- "Slaughtersun, Crown Of The Triarchy" (epic, crushingly dark blackened metal)
Aeon- "Bleeding The False" (shit lyrics, but excellent brutal death)
Sotajumala- "Death Metal Finland" (The title says it all.)
Ajattara- anything but the new record, "Kalmanto".
Tyr- "Eric The Red" (viking metal at it's finest. clean vocals abound. cheesy, yes, but soooo good.)
Angelcorpse- "The Inexorable"
Anubis Rising- "Funerary Preamble" (it's a collection of all their stuff...like Opeth, but minus the wankery, and a little more sludgy)
21 Lucifers- "The The Name Of..."....ex members of Without Grief doing melodic death with a bit of grind)
Belphegor- either" Goatreich" or "Lucifer Incestus".
Heaven Shall Burn- "Deaf To Our Prayers" (somewhat hardcore influenced, possibly the angriest record ever)
Decapitated- either "The Negation" or "Organic Hallucinosis"
Swallow The Sun- "Hope" (crushing doom with death metal vocals)
While Heaven Wept- "Of Empires Forlorn" (doom with clean sung, almost power metal type vocals)
Eternal Lies- "Spiritual Deception" (melodic death)
Fleshcrawl- "As Blood Runs From The Sky We Walk The Path Of Endless Fire" (old school Swedish death, but from Germany. classic)
Goatwhore- anything
Rapture- "Silent Stage" or "Songs For The Withering" (somewhat doomy, but with a bit of rock thrown in, at least in terms of feeling.)
Guttural Secrete- "Reek Of Pubescent Despoilment" (my buddies....one of the best goredeath bands ever. Ultra brutal, ultra sick. Death slam at it's finest)
Jonin- "The Secret" (metal from North Carolina? good, clean singing? technical music? good stuff)
Killwhitneydead- either "Hell To Pay" or "Nothing Less Nothing More" (the only hardcore band I like)
Keen Of The Crow- "Premonition" (similar to Swallow The Sun. Now broken up unfortunately)
Sanctity- "Road To Bloodshed" (if you're tired of waiting for the new Testament record, this should tide you over)
Mercenary- "The Hours That Remain" (power metal? death metal? thrash? all of the above)
Vehemence- "God Was Created" (is there such a thing as progressive brutal death? this might be it)
Miseration- "Your Demons Your Angels" (the singer of Scar Symmetry in a band that sounds like Scar Symmetry, but with some hardcore influence and more brutality)
Sorrow- "Hatred and Disgust" (turn back the clock to 1992, turn up the suck, and somehow enjoy it. Insane vocals, especially considering how old this is)
Mork Gryning- "Maelstrom Chaos" (black metal from Greece)
Pyrexia- "Age Of The Wicked" (slam from NY....mosh pit madness)
Mors Principium Est- "The Unborn" (melodic death with lots of keyboards and super fast polka beats)
Myrkskog- "Deathmachine" (like Zyklon? well, Zyklon sounds a lot like these guys. Actually, some members are now in Zyklon. or were. I don't care, this is better.)
Impaled- anything (like Carcass? yea, so do they. Sounds like Exhumed, but with a sense of humor and way more talent. Great live band, good guys. Kinda iffy on record.)
Ninnghizhidda- "Blasphemy" (semi symphonic last 90's black-ish metal)
Nile- "Amongst The Catacombs of Nephren-ka" (lots of people rave about new Nile, about the speed and technicality, but I find this far more brutal and vastly superior. Plus, Chief Spier's vocals are WAY deeper and more brutal than anyone in the band now)
Woods Of Ypres- "Pursuit Of The Sun" (this is what Wolves In The Throne Room would sound like with talent and good recording)
The Project Hate- "Cyber Sonic Super Christ" (i hate their new stuff, but this, their debut, is excellent.)
Pyorrhoea- "The Eleventh Shall Be My Slave" (goredeath from Poland. great sound quality, excellent musicianship)
Vintersorg- "Till Fjalls" (viking metal all about snow and nature and space and stars and stuff, sung all in swedish)
Quo Vadis- "Day Into Night" (everyone talks about how good Martyr is, and they are, but Quo Vadis is by far the superior band from Montreal)
Taake- "Bjoergvin" or "Doedskvad" (great "true" black metal that's actually well played and well recorded)
Torchbearer- anything. side project for members of too many bands to list. melodic. brutal. catchy. all at the same time.
Unmoored- "Indefinite Soul Extension" (yet more melodic death from the singer of Scar Symmetry.)
Weirding Way- "Panspermia" (i'm biased because i'm friends with them, but it's really good "sci-fi grind". Their term, not mine.)
1349- anything. harsh, hateful black metal.
happy listening.
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Wait, fucking Carcass is going to be there?
Goddamn you Europeans.
I'm SO not going to wacken
way too many people. I mean, a huge crowd can be cool, but it really sucks to be far away from the stage
also, when I'd go to wacken, I'd pay for many shitty bands too, wich I really don't want to.
I prefer smaller open airs, like Party.san (only death and black metal, this year they had primordial, dying fetus, kreator, immolation, Cephalic Carnage, Grave, Asphyx, Gorgoroth, Vader, Belphegor and others), doom shall rise or the mountains of death
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Wacken is insane for reunion gigs, and is pretty much an obligatory stop on any reunion tour.
This is why I have seen Sabbat, Immortal, Atheist and Emperor live, but you guys haven't.
well...I've seen Atheist and Emperor...and CYNIC
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I saw In the Woods... in one of their final shows and only North American appearance. ^___^
:-D
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I saw In the Woods... in one of their final shows and only North American appearance. ^___^
:-D
i hate you
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Agalloch I got into souly through QC. The have a really awesome sound, I wish there were more tabs of their stuff. Or I had the skill to tab it myself. I had a listen to Russian Circles, too, after it was mentioned in the blog. And The Sword, but they're not exactly obscure anymore since they became known as 'that shitty band from guitar hero'.
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Wacken is insane for reunion gigs, and is pretty much an obligatory stop on any reunion tour.
This is why I have seen Sabbat, Immortal, Atheist and Emperor live, but you guys haven't.
well...I've seen Atheist and Emperor...and CYNIC
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
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I'm still not encountering anyone else who's seen Sabbat, so I find my aloofness justified.
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While I love your Sabbat, I think I might prefer the Japanese version. :-D
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Wacken is insane for reunion gigs, and is pretty much an obligatory stop on any reunion tour.
This is why I have seen Sabbat, Immortal, Atheist and Emperor live, but you guys haven't.
well...I've seen Atheist and Emperor...and CYNIC
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
and Ephel Duath
twice
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YOU ALL SUCK DICKS.
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I've seen Ephel Duath as well.
But they were supporting Poison the Well and the Dillinger Escape Plan, so there was shit on the gold, you might say.
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I saw Isis earlier this year, and I handed Aaron Turner his bottle of water, that's how small the venue was.
Having established minimal metal cred, check out From Exile. They're an unsigned melodic death band from atlanta that I have been plugging for a while.
myspace.com/fromexile
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if you want an obscure band that is absolutely amazing, check out Dawnbringer.
They're on Battle Kommand records, their newest record, In Sickness And In Dreams, is ace.
THIS.
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YOU ALL SUCK DICKS.
Never heard of them before. They any good?
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KICK A MAN WHILE HE'S DOWN, WHY DON'T YOU
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KICK A MAN WHILE HE'S DOWN, WHY DON'T YOU
I saw Meshuggah, three days after Cynic
and Porcupine Tree, twice
aaand Necrophagist ( + Misery Index)
not to forget about Immolation, Dying Fetus, Severe Torture, Avulsed etc.
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STOP GUYS, I'M PUKING BLOOD NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN...
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You broke Dimmukane. Good fuckin' going.
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I feel like makin' an ass of myself so I'll mention one band, and leave for the moment.
Deathklok.
I'm not sure if I should be pissed that a "band" that's more or less a joke meant to poke fun at metal released a damn good metal album.
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Anyone for DragonForce - so fast that it sounds like dance when you 1st hear it?
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I WILL COME BACK TO LIFE TO KICK YOUR ASS
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i saw Children of Bodom for free before they started sucking and released that really wack album (i forget what it's called).
also, i saw Cradle of Filth and 3 Inches of Blood for free as well. seems like the only metal shows i go to are free ones.
i've also seen Dragonforce but i don't know if i consider them that metal....more like....unicorn-fairy-on-speed-with-noises. i'm not super into their music, but they are fun guys to drink with (at least Sam and Vadim, anyway).
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I'm not sure if I should be pissed that a "band" that's more or less a joke meant to poke fun at metal released a damn good metal album.
To be honest I think it's the metal bands who have been getting away with releasing anything that sounds like that that should be pissed off: pissed off at their complacent selves for thinking that sort of stagnation is acceptable.
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Instead of listing the bands I like, I say I like symphonic metal. Not much for most death metal etc, but do liek classy moosic with heavy moosic.
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***shamble shamble*** CHOMP ***shamble shamble***
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I'd really like to see Meshuggah live someday.
Or more good metal bands at all, really. Trouble is they're almost always on these huge-ass bills with like eleven other bands, all of whom suck. I don't want to sit through fuckin' Killswitch Engage and Shitty Local Hardcore Band #53520842 to hear Mastodon, thanks.
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You should check out Ayreon as well. I believe that Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth does some guest work in one of the albums.
Also, if you haven't checked out Isis yet, do it up ^.^;
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Dogg I am pretty sure Aaron from Isis reads QC. He mentioned it in a blog post a couple years back. :-D
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Yeah, the november 2005 archive, at the very top of the page. Jeph is famouz.
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I've got a thing for a band called Daath. I'm not exactly sure what they're considered..I've heard cutting-edge black, technical death, and just plain black or death in reference to them.
Anyway, I like them a lot and figured they deserved a mention. (although at the time of this post, they're looking for a new vocalist)
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I'd really like to see Meshuggah live someday.
Or more good metal bands at all, really. Trouble is they're almost always on these huge-ass bills with like eleven other bands, all of whom suck. I don't want to sit through fuckin' Killswitch Engage and Shitty Local Hardcore Band #53520842 to hear Mastodon, thanks.
I hear that, metal is plagued by so many shit bands. I think a fair number of concert promoters hear the word and think a) loud and/or b) screaming so you see a lot of shit openers.
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I'd really like to see Meshuggah live someday.
Or more good metal bands at all, really. Trouble is they're almost always on these huge-ass bills with like eleven other bands, all of whom suck. I don't want to sit through fuckin' Killswitch Engage and Shitty Local Hardcore Band #53520842 to hear Mastodon, thanks.
I've seen Meshuggah live twice, the most notable gig being the latter, which was right after the release of Catch 33. It was really, really awesome.
I've also seen Mastodon twice, both times at roskilde festivals 05 and 07.
05 was the best show, but 07 was still amazing.
Immolation are also fantastic live, and super-nice dudes as well.
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Mastodon is a good group. I saw them live and started listening to them because I was pretty impressed.
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i saw Children of Bodom for free before they started sucking and released that really wack album (i forget what it's called).
also, i saw Cradle of Filth and 3 Inches of Blood for free as well. seems like the only metal shows i go to are free ones.
i've also seen Dragonforce but i don't know if i consider them that metal....more like....unicorn-fairy-on-speed-with-noises. i'm not super into their music, but they are fun guys to drink with (at least Sam and Vadim, anyway).
One of my friends got to drink with 3 Inches of Blood a while back. He still brags about it and I don't expect him to stop anytime soon. Apparently they're a riot.
Anyone listened to Melechesh?
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I'm gonna have to say that Mastodon are actually my favourite band.
I've seen them live once, when they were supporting Slayer, I went to that damn expensive gig just to see them.
Thing is, due to "overwhelming demand" (ie. the gig sold out before the first day was through) it got moved to another venue and it became all ages and such. Bad part, the venue they moved it to is a pile of shit, it's practically just a tin shed. It was irritating also with the all ages crowd who don't know how to get a good mosh going, one that looks out for everyone and the such, no they all wanted to jump up and down on the same fucking spot, who cares who they hit with their elbows, even if it were chicks. Pissed me off, and the sound quality wasn't great, but I still loved being able to see them in the flesh doing their thing.
Just brings about my hatred for the typical Slayer fans though, there would be a break in the songs and they'd just be chanting Slayer or whatever. I'm really not a fan of Slayer, I can appreciate what they've done for metal, but to put it plainly, all their shit sounds the same and I find it fucking boring. Oh, not to mention hypocritical as fuck.
Oh well, I'm just hoping that Mastodon come back again, I'm waiting with baited breath for their next album.
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(http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q171/elobue1/Sleep___Dragonaut_front22.jpg)
hell yeah
(http://www.truemetal.org/metalwallpaper/images/dopethrone.jpg)
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Having listened to the complete discographies of each band, and having seen each in the live setting (Meshuggah a few times over the years), I do not understand the appeal of either Mastodon nor Meshuggah.
:?
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They're not for everybody.
Pretty much any and every group is like that.
There's probably stuff you listen to that people don't understand the appeal of.
I'd say it's an acquired taste, but some of us are almost born with it.
To each his (her) own.
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I feel like makin' an ass of myself so I'll mention one band, and leave for the moment.
Dethklok.
I'm not sure if I should be pissed that a "band" that's more or less a joke meant to poke fun at metal released a damn good metal album.
Nothing to be ashamed of here; I like The DethAlbum, too.
Of course, I also like Amon Amarth, despite the hell my friends give me. I think I just hang out with a pack o' dicks, they sound cool to me. Johan Hegg needs to lift weights and tan if he's gonna continue shirtless, though...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/ce/Amon_Amarth-Johan_Hegg-1128.jpg/800px-Amon_Amarth-Johan_Hegg-1128.jpg)
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Have you ever heard them Live? Not very impressive...
The albums are kind of ok, though.
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That's wierd, because when I saw Amon Amarth, they were absolutely fucking incredible. Maybe it was because I was very, very drunk, maybe it was because they used enough pyrotechnics to raze Dresden, maybe it was because they played Seigreicher Marsch as an instrumental during which ten Jomsvikings stormed the stage, and engaged Johan in a massive sword-fight whilst the rest of the band rocked out around them and pyrotechnics flared like the flames of Muspellheim. Maybe it was because the song Death in Fire is the only thing that has fucked your mum more times than me.
Who knows.
Also, tans are the least metal thing ever.
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That's wierd, because when I saw Amon Amarth, they were absolutely fucking incredible. Maybe it was because I was very, very drunk, maybe it was because they used enough pyrotechnics to raze Dresden, maybe it was because they played Seigreicher Marsch as an instrumental during which ten Jomsvikings stormed the stage, and engaged Johan in a massive sword-fight whilst the rest of the band rocked out around them and pyrotechnics flared like the flames of Muspellheim. Maybe it was because the song Death in Fire is the only thing that has fucked your mum more times than me.
Who knows.
Also, tans are the least metal thing ever.
I saw them at Wacken 2006 (you too, I guess) but I went away after 30 minutes because I was totally tired
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They're playing here next year... I was trying to get the support spot for them and for Immortal who are also coming out soon but we missed out on account of not having the professional press packs to give to people. Which sucks but we have no money.
Incidently, has anyone heard the new Mayhem album Ordo Ad Chao? Thoughts?
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I saw them at Wacken 2006 (you too, I guess) but I went away after 30 minutes because I was totally tired
Yeah, I have to admit, by the end of it, I was kind of just lying on the ground behind the main body of the crowd, occasionally raising a fist or the horns and croaking "Death in fire!".
Also, DO NOT QUOTE THE POST ABOVE YOU.
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I've seen Amon Amarth twice, once on a tour and one at a festival. At the festival, they were absolutely incredible and very fun to watch live. Sound wise, they sounded spot on, and they threw Slim Jims out into the audience between songs. Brilliant.
At the smaller venue, they were anything but sub-par, but their sound wasn't nearly as good, and overall their performance was 'ok' I suppose.
They are kinda hit-and-miss live I guess? I dunno.
That said, most of their studio material is excellent. I've been a fan essentially since their debut EP, and they really haven't disappointed me since.
Good band.
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You notice that sort of thing with a lot of bands, though. Sound is always a variable, unless the band uses entirely their own equipment. Worst sound I've ever heard at a gig, high school talent shows included, was when I saw In Flames try and play through Motorheads sound system, when they were supporting them. I'm not exactly the most rabid In Flames fan anyway, (though this was a few years back) but my gods was it awful.
Also, it's kind of weird. Even though I don't really give two craps about In Flames, I've seen them at least once a year, every year, for the last four years, because they're supporting someone I want to see, or someone I want to see is supporting them, or whatever. Anyone else find themselves watching one band they don't exactly want to see a curiously large amount of times?
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Funnily enough, when I was at Hammered at Xmas a couple of years ago, when Lacuna Coil played, IF were the only band whose sound wasn't gash. The shitty hardcore bands, Chimaira and Lacuna Coil all sounded flat as fuck but In Flames' sound was amazing.
But yeah, when I saw them supporting Motorhead in Cardiff they were just awful.
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Was that the 2004 one? Where Calibans sound was so bad that their singer actually threw a tantrum and left the stage after two songs?
I was at that gig. I don't remember Lacuna Coil sounding all that off. I really enjoyed In Flames though. Actually, that was a pretty big gig for me, because it was the first time, after two years of going to gigs, I'd gone and seen some bands I actually knew and enjoyed more than like, one or two songs of. Most of the bands that came down Portsmouth and Southampton way back in those days were groups along the lines of Atreyu, The Bled, Bullet for my Valentine, etc. In fact, I'm reasonably sure I saw both My Chemical Romance and Bullet for My Valentine on their first UK tours. If only I had actually liked them.
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Yeah, that's the one. Lacuna Coil's overall sound wasn't atrocious, but what's-her-face was really quiet and flat and the awful, awful guitarist who thinks he's Bruce Dickinson's grunts were about 10x as loud. Sounded far worse than on record anyway.
In Flames were good though. And they had fire. (haha get it in flames lol)
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Actually, the only time I've seen them that they DIDN'T use pyros was supporting Motorhead.
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Fair enough, that was my only 2 times right there. Got pretty bored of them soon after the Xmas show, only saw them again because hey, Motorhead.
On a non-In Flames note, saw Riverside last night at the Underworld and their support was a band called Haken who were absolutely insane - started with a huge long wanky instrumental intro which pretty much screamed 'we listen to too much Opeth' and didn't bode well for the rest of the set (although impressive in places), but then the rest of their set was just 3 massive 10+ minute songs which made no sense whatsoever. Started off in full Dream Theater mode, random time changes, gay falsettos and unnecessary solos galore, but then had a massive identity crisis and there were folky bits, jazzy bits, proper growly death metal bits, and they pulled it all off brilliantly. Lacked some cohesion and utterly confusing but really, really good.
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it's funny to watch Johan Heggs gutt roll around when he circle-bangs.
It's funny, and kinda mesmerizing.
On an off topic, I find it neat that Jeph reviewed an Alcest album. Neat band, sometimes.
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Hrm. I used to be super into metal but I've hit a relative lull, the most metal things I've listened to in the past couple of months being Isis and Russian Circles. Challenge: name an album (just one) that's totally fucking awesome and I'm not likely to have heard before in order to reel me back in.
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Snowblood - The Human Tragedy
You can listen to the amazing Cape Wrath here: http://www.myspace.com/beingandbecoming . Admittedly they aren't the most metal band ever, they're more in that sludge with post-rock influences kind of sphere, but they're absolutely amazing. They might not bring you back into the metal fold but they may help and based on what you say you've been listening to heavy music wise you'll probably at least enjoy them.
Edit: It just occurred to me that although Cape Wrath is great it's also probably the least metal track on that album, which would sort of defeat the point of the recommendation. So I guess I'll change my tip to Being And Becoming since Aubade from that record is up there and that's much more indicative of what Snowblood sound like overall.
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I'd really like to see Meshuggah live someday.
They're on tour opening for Ministry, who aren't really worth seeing. I'm tempted to go for Meshuggah, but I probably won't.
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Hrm. I used to be super into metal but I've hit a relative lull, the most metal things I've listened to in the past couple of months being Isis and Russian Circles. Challenge: name an album (just one) that's totally fucking awesome and I'm not likely to have heard before in order to reel me back in.
Dawnbringer- In Sickness And In Dreams.
seriously, why more people haven't jumped on these guys, i don't know.
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Hrm. I used to be super into metal but I've hit a relative lull, the most metal things I've listened to in the past couple of months being Isis and Russian Circles. Challenge: name an album (just one) that's totally fucking awesome and I'm not likely to have heard before in order to reel me back in.
Dawnbringer- In Sickness And In Dreams.
seriously, why more people haven't jumped on these guys, i don't know.
Psychotic Waltz - A Social Grace
super-SUPER-totally fucking Awesome
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Is it bad that I joined this forum just to post in this thread?
And then mostly to pimp Slechtvalk, whose most recent album is absolutely fantastic? I really wish they would play some shows in the US, but there's always Paganfest USA with their former label mates Eluveitie (celtic folk metal.)
Also for whoever mentioned Wolves in the Throne Room I just listened to Two Hunters last night and it was amazing. USBM is really coming into its own.
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Nothing wrong with increasing the number of people who know something about metal on the board. Slechtvalk is quite good if you like symph black, but they are maybe a little derivative.
Eluveitie, on the other hand, is completely original and ridiculously entertaining. I'm so going to be at the Chicago stop of Pagan Fest. I actually saw Eluveitie live a month ago at Ultima Ratio, and they slayed. Besides having nearly perfected a great blend of celtic melodies played on violin, hurdy gurdy, flute, bagpipe, and mandora with mdm, they have great energy live and the crowd was completely into it. They are also one of the first metal bands with acoustic instruments that I've heard play live well. Usually the violins and flutes and what not get stuck way too far back in the mix. They also just signed to Nuclear Blast.
Speaking of Nuclear Blast, whoever said on the first page that Nuclear Blast sucks couldn't be more wrong. Sure, they are huge, but they have some killer bands. I was lucky enough to go to the 20th anniversary celebration...Blind Guardian, Dimmu, Subway to sally, Edguy, and Kataklysm. To me, thats a mindblowing lineup. I guess if you are exclusively into underground bands, Nuclear Blast is too commercial, but I just love all good metal.
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I'm only really a fan of At the Dawn of War, Slechtvalk's two previous albums were probably even more derivative and on top of that completely boring. I mean I'll listen to Falconry every once in a while as background music, but War that Plagues the Lands just puts me to sleep.
Eluveitie are seriously the best folk metal band I've ever heard. I'm glad to hear that they're great live, I'm really looking forward to the Worcester show. It's too bad I can't pronounce the lyrics otherwise I'd be singing along. Maybe just the first word of Uis Elveti.
Speaking of Demon Burger, I can't seem to... like them. Maybe it's just because I haven't listened to their earlier stuff, which is supposedly more kvlt. Or maybe because I heard their new single on the radio the other day and I just couldn't stop laughing at how ridiculously bad it was. I know it couldn't have been the clean vocals because they reminded me of Borknagar and Borknagar is awesome. Their music just seems like it's trying to be too complicated (by just being all over the place) and still stay within the mainstream realm at the same time. :|
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They play demon burger on the radio? There was only one song I really liked that they did, and now I can't remember the name of it. I think it was before EDT, whatever it was.
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They do if your local station has a designated "metal hour". (waaf.com)
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some thoughts on metal…
Aghora (progressive cynic-esque metal with femal vocals)
Atheist (gods of technical florida death metal)
Cynic (best "death" metal band ever! very jazzy and beautiful)
Spiral Architect (unbelievably technical)
Twisted into form (like spiral architect)
I just started listening to all these bands within the last six months, so badass. yah, I'm nearly 20 years behind on some of those. I love Cynic, Spiral Architect, and Twisted into Form.
In terms of more generic metal stuff; anyone listen to Iced Earth? wtf, matt barlow is coming back and I was liking tim owens. I mean, I like both, and it may be for the better, but why the decision now? why did he leave in the first place?! (yes, to be a cop, whatever)
Also, Im going to see Amon Amarth this weekend, it should be awesome.
more random thoughts:
Anyone here listen to Manticora? specifically the Black Circus albums; I love it!
The Russell Allen/ Jørn Lande albums make me want to play D&D or smile and run through grassy fields or something.
speaking of Edguy, I missed them when they came to seattle because I was visiting family in Germany; whats the fucking luck?
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Oh man, that Allen/Lande album I have is so goddamned horrible. I'm a huge Russel Allen fan but even I couldn't get behind that it. It was too cheesy.
Too cheesy for me to enjoy Russel Allens singing
Meditate on that for a minute.
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between the two albums, they are the soundtrack of lord cheesiness vol 1 & 2, I agree. but, i still like the singing enough that i have a couple of the songs. My Own Way Home, Another Battle, and the Revenge are songs I thought were bearable. then again, i have a high tolerance i think.
speaking of soundtrack, I was putting together a dreamlist of songs that would be in a roadwarrior heavy metal'ed videogame that i wish would materialize from my mind.
so far, in no track order
Riders - OUTWORLD
Steel Lord on Wheels - Hibria
Running Riot - Iron Saviour
Steel Tormentor - Helloween
Children of Steel - Edguy
Legion Immortal - Jag Panzer
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metallica
im so sorry to blow this for you, but that was the best one-worded trolling ive ever seen.
i applaude you, good sir.
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Riders - OUTWORLD
Steel Lord on Wheels - Hibria
Running Riot - Iron Saviour
Steel Tormentor - Helloween
Children of Steel - Edguy
Legion Immortal - Jag Panzer
Not only are you marking your track up backwards, but you're missing out the most obvious entry:
Judas Priest - Painkiller. The whole album.
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Whenever a metal thread goes on long enough, I plug these guys just for the hell of it. Of what they have on the player, Crushing Reality is the best, I think.
www.myspace.com/fromexile (http://www.myspace.com/fromexile)
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I've lost the ability to listen to anything besides Arch Enemy, maybe that means my brain is broken and I need psychiatric help but I'm happy with the way I am :laugh:
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And I decided to register just because of this thread
But first: Amon Amarth are amazing. Dont believe me, watch Wrath of the Norsemen DVD, I challenge you to find ANY OTHER death metal band that can put on a 2.5+ hour long concert. Do it.. I dare you.
Second: Whomever said Nuclear Blast sucks... sucks.
Anyway, on with the list of stuff to listen to, why? Because I said so. (oh, and unless I specify albums / eras, anything they have put to CD/Tape/w/e is good enough)
Absu
The Abyss (Yet another Tagtgren side project)
Agathodaimon
Alkonost
All Out War
Amon Amarth (of course)
Amorphis
Apocalyptica (especially since they have moved past their "cover band with cellos" route on to composing)
Arch Enemy
Arkona (the russian one, not the polish one, I havent listened to the polish band yet)
Astrofaes
At The Gates
Behemoth
Beneath The Massacre
Between the Buried and Me
Bile (the band from Holland, not the industrial thing from NY)
Black Dahlia Murder
Black Label Society
Blind Guardian
Blood Has Been Shed
Bloodbath ----------------- (who are a EUROPEAN DEATH METAL SUPER GROUP, just FYI)
Bolt Thrower
Borknagar ------------------- (although I did prefer Vortex on vocals, I do like everything)
Caedere
Cephalic Carnage ---------------- (amazingly nice guys, plus, no concert is ever the same)
Children of Bodom
Cthonic -----------------------(AMAZINGLY talented black metal out of Taiwan)
Clutch --------------------(not technically metal, but I dont care, still amazing.)
Crematory
Cryptopsy --------------- (RESPECT THE FLO... DO IT.)
Death --------------- (RIP Chuck)
Demons & Wizards ---------------- (Because even Power Metal needs its super group)
Destruction ----------------- (One of the big three Euro thrash)
DevilDriver ---------------(Never were "Nu-metal" never will be "nu-metal" and will always bring a good pit)
Dimmu Borgir ---------------- (waah waah, they are over-produced they arent black metal.... stfu and die.)
Down
Drudkh
Dying Fetus
Emperor
Eyehategod
Falkenbach
Fear Factory
Finntroll ------------- (Are amazing... stfu)
Folkearth
Fortid
Gardenian
Gojira --------------- (equal parts amazing and awsome)
Gorgoroth
GWAR
Helheim
High On Fire
Hypocrisy
Immortal
In Extremo ------------- (I prefer their older stuff, such as Verehrt and earlier, but its all good)
In Flames
Kataplexia
Katatonia
Kilgore
Kovenant (formerly known as Covenant)
Kreator ------------ (one of the other big three of euro-thrash)
Krisiun
Lacuna Coil ------------ (will always be better than their crappy american knock offs Evanesence)
Lamb of God
Leave's Eyes
Machine Head
Månegarm
Marduk
Mastadon
Mayhem ----------------- (again, I prefer the older stuff, De Mysteriis and Live in Leipzig, but its all decent)
Meshuggah
The Midget Who Stole God's Map of the Universe
Moonshine
Moonspell
Motörhead
Mudvayne ------------- (LD50 was amazing, everything else, not so much)
Nailbomb
Nile
Old Man's Child
Opeth
Pain ------------- (yet another Tagtgren side project)
Pig Destroyer
Pro-Pain
Rammstein ------------------ (I still like them, I could care less what you think, Rosenrot was a good album)
S.O.D.
Samael
Satyricon
Sentenced
Sepultura --------------- (I prefer the stuff when Max was still the singer)
Sig:ar:tyr
Sinergy
Six Feet Under
Sodom --------------- (the third of the "big three" of euro thrash)
Soilent Green
Soilwork ------------------- (Incredibly hit & miss with their albums, most of their albums, IMO, have sucked, but they occasionally hit the mark with a good song or three, and live, they are amazing)
Soulfly ------------- (now that theyve found their niche)
Stahlhammer
Static-X ----------------- (no, my name doesnt come from this band, but honestly, most of the stuff since "Machine" has been sub-par, IMO)
The Sword
Sword of Darkness
System of a Down ----------------- (the fact that probably 90% of the people who do, have, or will listen to their music, dont understand the message they are trying to convey is awsome)
!.T.O.O.H.!.
Theatre of Tragedy ------------------ (Honestly, I hate everything from Musique onward, but thats me)
Therion ---------------- (because opera + metal is weird... but it works)
Thrudvangar
Tiamat
Type O Negative
Týr -------------------- (and honestly, they DO take themselves seriously, and the subject matter of their songs seriously, Im sorry whomever it was that thinks they are cheesy never bothered to listen to the lyrics)
Vader
Venom
Walhalla --------------- (because having a euro death metal super group and a power metal super group wasnt enough, gotta have the viking metal super group too)
Woden
Yellow Machine Gun
3 Inches of Blood
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PIG DESTROYAAAAAH
sorry guys, that wasn't completely metal of me.
(listen to Phantom Limb NOW)
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I'm debating whether the better reply is:
"lol Clutch"
or
"Clutch is a really good band"
Both I guess.
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btw Soulfly?
Nuh-uh!
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A: Whats wrong with Soulfly, sure the early stuff is kinda meh nu-metalish, but theyve always put on a good show, even though Max is a dick
B: Clutch is a fantastic band... The only reason I threw them into the list is because, for a stoner-blues-punk-metal-rock band, theyve toured with an impressive variety of bands.
Even just on the metal side:
The Sword
High on Fire
GWAR
Cattle Decapitation
Mastadon
Stuck Mojo
Slayer
Pantera
and shared the stage with the likes of:
DevilDriver
Ozzy
Biohazard
Fear Factory
I think they get enough metal cred touring and playing with a list like that.
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They are a great band. But there is something inherently funny about Neil Fallon.
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They are a great band. But there is something inherently awsome about Neil Fallon.
Fixed.
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I have never felt more un-metal than right now. Mostly because I realize all the metal bands I listen to mostly sound like hardcore bands;
Disfear
Tragedy
Coliseum
From Ashes Rise
Doomriders
Pig Destroyer
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Um, that's because they are hardcore bands. Well, all except Doomriders. Nothing wrong with that though, this board could really use more people who appreciate the 'core and those are some tasty picks. Tragedy were an amazing band, no His Hero Is Gone of course but what could be? And as for Pig Destroyer, those guys have released some raging grind in their time. Little bit disappointing live though, they got blown off the stage by Halo and Narcosis on the Grind Over The UK tour.
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His Hero Is Gone blasts my balls off on a daily basis
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Shit...totally blanked out on HHIG.
I always considered bands like F_A_R and Tragedy more D-Beat metal than hardcore punk...they definitely come from that background but also take alot from Japanese/European metal bands.
But then again, what do I know...I actually spent like 5 months thinking Iced Earth were any good.
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Naah Tragedy is definitely hardcore, but they are heavily influenced by crust and sludge, like most modern hardcore bands are.
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How 'bout Ed Gein, the Harlots, the Vulcans (which disbanded unfortunetly, Haste the Day (alittle more scremo than metal, but whatever)?
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Weeeell Ed Gein is powerviolence.
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I can only offer a big +1 to Gojira!
They are bar none one of the heaviest bands ever, IMO. Plus they are absolutely peerless live.
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In Extremo
my new goal in life is to see a band called 'In Extremo'
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Weeeell Ed Gein is powerviolence.
Nah, Ed Gein are grind of the technical variety, but still not metal. Powerviolence has that more bass heavy sound like Man Is The Bastard. Doesn't really matter though, they're totally ace whatever you call them. If it wasn't for Narcosis destroying everybody with Romance then Judas Goats And Dieseleaters would have been the grind album of the year. Not that it really had much competition, but still, it was a corker.
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I've seen In Extremo live. They were alright. Wacken 06, I think.
Also, guys, this thread is supposed to be about metal. Metal is stuff like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yAB7DqN1gA) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAagedeKdcQ) or maybe this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5kOZphhCL0) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVLCHDw9vOk) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUkgUaKD188) or sometimes this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWX5o4jxqYU) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlo7F1Zd-x0) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2PDNyD9G0M) or perhaps this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfRGF-MWYsE) or maybe this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3u86DPd7qc) or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRwwYWlbP2U), and not whatever -core crap you guys are talking about.
I have completely lost track of what videos I have actually posted there. I'm sure they are all ridiculous though. All metal vids are ridiculous. And if you ever laugh at them then you DON'T GET IT.
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In that case, can we talk about how totally sweet Infinited Hate (http://www.myspace.com/infinitedhate666) are? Listen to Demoniacal Sepulture, it's pretty banging. I need more death metal that sounds like this and Origin (http://www.myspace.com/originrelapse) in my life, nice and intense and none of that slam rubbish with the bree vocals (I'm sorry, but I really hate any band with those vocals, it just sounds utterly stupid and not even funny to my ears).
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Bree vocals? What...pig squeals?
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Yeah, them's the ones. I don't mind their judicious use in a little grind but if pretty much all the vocals are like that it bores me to tears. See Waking The Cadaver for a deeply hideous example of this practice.
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So I guess you're not a black metal fan then? More's the pity.
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Yeah, them's the ones. I don't mind their judicious use in a little grind but if pretty much all the vocals are like that it bores me to tears. See Waking The Cadaver for a deeply hideous example of this practice.
I have a friend who's terribly into that whole Deathcore thing. Job For a Cowboy and so forth. I really can't tell the difference between most of the bands he listen to tbh.
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I kind of joined this forum just for this thread. Is that weird?
Anyways, this thread seems to really be lacking in:
BENIGHTED
BENEDICTION
ACID BATH
AHAB
ARK STORM
BOLT THROWER
BEHOLD...THE ARCTOPUS
CANDLEMASS
CELTIC FROST
DEAMON
DEATHSPELL OMEGA
ELECTRIC WIZARD
ENTOMBED
GLORIOR BELLI
GOATWHORE
IMMORTAL
KREATOR
LORD GORE
MERCYFUL FATE
MOONSORROW
MYRKGRAV
NEVERMORE
NOCTURNUS
SAINT VITUS
VENOM
WHITECHAPEL
WEEDEATER
WINTERSUN
and finally, 3 INCHES OF BLOOD.
Now, some inflammatory comments:
1. Immortal is better than your favorite band.
2. Whenever Wintersun decides to release "Time," it will be the best record of the year. Unless Immortal puts something out.
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I posted a video to at least one of those bands just now.
I enjoyed Immortal live.
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So I guess you're not a black metal fan then? More's the pity.
Black metal generally uses screams, not squeals. I can't actually think of any squealing in BM at all off the top of my head although I'm sure somebody will have used it. People like Darkthrone, Niroth, Wodensthrone and Blut Aus Nord don't bother with it anyway and that's the kind of BM I'm bothered about.
I really don't get these massive lists of bands. Yes, Kreator are great and everything but just naming artists who're quite diverse with absolutely no explanation is completely pointless. Pick a few and actually go into detail.
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In Extremo
my new goal in life is to see a band called 'In Extremo'
crappy sound quality (but then, so is most live stuff on youtube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5srmVbXYeo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5srmVbXYeo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQRkVMC_92c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQRkVMC_92c)
if you like them, you may end up liking Arkona (the russian band, not the polish one)
I found JobForCowboy to be rather bland when I saw them with Behemoth and Gojira, but then, I was also loading out Gojira and Beneath The Massacre during 75% of their set, so eh.
and sorry, as much as I like Gojira, heaviest band in the world is taken by "The Berzerker" youtube flv shit, and mp3s cannot convey their music well at all.
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Weeeell Ed Gein is powerviolence.
Nah, Ed Gein are grind of the technical variety, but still not metal. Powerviolence has that more bass heavy sound like Man Is The Bastard. Doesn't really matter though, they're totally ace whatever you call them. If it wasn't for Narcosis destroying everybody with Romance then Judas Goats And Dieseleaters would have been the grind album of the year. Not that it really had much competition, but still, it was a corker.
I think most of the tracks off of It's a shame... is pretty bassy, but you might be right. Grind Finale was pretty good too.
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I dunno what the heaviest band in the world is, but I'm pretty sure it ain't the Berzerker. Not sure I'd even recommend them that highly either. I mean, the thing about the Berzerker is that they're a one trick pony.
"Oh Berzerker, you got a drummer who can drum really fast! Awesome! And you got a drum machine too! So now you can have really really fast drums! What's this? Oh, a song with really really fast drums? Clever Berzerker! And...another one? Oh no, now the drummer fucked off so you just have the drum machine."
Apart from the drums they're pretty much straight Carcass worship, and as far as Carcass worship goes I think I'd plump for Cattle Decapitation - To Serve Man. Just that Cattle Decapitation album mind you...I don't really rate their other material, but they just did something right on that album. There's just such a feel of misanthropy to it. All in the riffs. The main problem with the Berzerker is they very rarely produce the riffs to back up their drum barrage, though they do have a few very good tracks. No One Wins and Disregard, for example. But it ain't HEAVY as such. It's fast, its pounding, but there's not enough oomph there, not enough groove, if you see what I mean.
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Huh.
Well, If I have to establish my metal indie cred I can only name such mainstream bands as Nile, Opeth and Arch Enemy. The most obscure metal bands I've seen live have been local and soon broken up.
I thought that the metal-savvy forum of an indie webcomic would have mentioned Weakling before. Pretty sweet--the best pointlessly pity description of them I could come up with is that if Agalloch's new album sounds like Sigur Ros started a black metal band, then Weakling's only album, Dead as Dreams sounds like...I dunno. Darkthrone started a Post Rock band (in song structure, though not in production or instrumentation or...anything else).
http://www.tumult.net/catalog/weakling.html (http://www.tumult.net/catalog/weakling.html)
I think the CD is still in print, but the LP sells for $150+ on ebay. They are related to The Fucking Champs, apparently.
Also, Esoteric are a darned good doom band. If you like atonal psychedelia. Not as depressing as some doom bands--I actually find some of their tracks weirdly inspiring. But I don't mind screaming.
http://www.esotericuk.net/ (http://www.esotericuk.net/)
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I guess someone has mentioned Blind Guardian by now, but I have to second it because they're the kings of unprogressive power metal. And Hansi is the sexiest man alive.
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I am so glad to have not seen anyone shit Type O Negative on this thread (or as they are more popularly known, the band with their guitars so heavily downtuned they might as well not have strings). I am proud of you fuckers for that.
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I guess someone has mentioned Blind Guardian by now, but I have to second it because they're the kings of unprogressive power metal. And Hansi is the sexiest man alive.
I mentioned that I saw them headlining the Nuclear Blast 20th anniversary show in Stuttgart back in October...but I don't think I mentioned how mind blowing and inspiring it was. I'm self aware enough to realize Blind Guardian is a little over the top, but that didn't stop me from singing along to every single word. You have not lived until you've sung along to Hansi with several thousand German metalheads. Also I bought a ridiculously great Guardian tshirt with a dragon and "Final Showdown, Stuttgart Oct. 27"
P.S. Type O can be fun occasionally, but don't even start thinking their downtuning makes them special. There, I was nice and civil, wasn't I?
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i'm actually lookin for some "epic metal"
i don't like using questionable content's webcomic as a reference but in this one fictional band that was like super epic using tolkein references and stuff and i'm lookin for some metal like that, anyone know of any?
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listen to Tyr, from the Faroe Islands. Specifically the "Eric The Red" record.
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i'm actually lookin for some "epic metal"
i don't like using questionable content's webcomic as a reference but in this one fictional band that was like super epic using tolkein references and stuff and i'm lookin for some metal like that, anyone know of any?
Nightfall In Middle Earth (album) by Blind Guardian. That is EXACTLY what you want.
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Bloodbath ----------------- (who are a EUROPEAN DEATH METAL SUPER GROUP, just FYI)
Yeah, I mean.. Just because all the members ever has been from sweden, that doesn't make them a swedish band, no they're european. Makes sense to me!
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Does it matter?
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Acually, no.
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Anyone notice that whenever there's a metal thread, several new accounts pop in to share their thoughts? Most of which we never see again? Not trying to be a dick, but I think it's bad etiquette for people to yell their opinions for a little bit and then go back to lurking for two years.
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Anyone notice that whenever there's a metal thread, several new accounts pop in to share their thoughts? Most of which we never see again? Not trying to be a dick, but I think it's bad etiquette for people to yell their opinions for a little bit and then go back to lurking for two years.
Sorry.
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I'm sure they are all ridiculous though. All metal vids are ridiculous. And if you ever laugh at them then you DON'T GET IT.
I thought I got it because I DO laugh at them. It's about 52% of the reason I like Amon Amarth.
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What do y'all think of Colors by Between the Buried and Me. I'm afraid to say I really like it. Thoughts?
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BTBAM have always been pretty weird (Laser Speed on Alaska?) but I think they overdid it on Colors. I was looking forward
to this amazing new groundbreaking proggy, extremely technical and yet melodic metal record.
And I got what, exactly?
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Sabbath (pre Dio) anyone?
Also, the first thing that ever got me into MDM was Arch Enemy, and for that I have to that Jeph's good ole recommended listening page.
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Between the Buried and Me is an absolutely godly awesome band. Their new album is my favorite of this year, actually.
Some other great metal bands that have surely been mentioned by now include: Opeth, Agalloch, Meshuggah, Isis, Maudlin of the Well, and Kayo Dot (well, they are part metal).
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When it comes to metal I always choose classic main stream bands like Dokken or Dio.
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Does Swedish stoner rock like Blind Dog and Lowrider belong on this thread? I'm pretty sure Grand Magus does, but there's a lot of middle-ground bands from Sweden who might not qualify as true "metal" (Astroqueen, Brain Police, Asteroid, Astrosoniq, Dozer, Greenleaf, Mammoth Volume, Sgt. Sunshine, etc.) which owe a lot more to Kyuss and Fu Manchu than they do to Opeth and Mayhem. Is stoner-rock Sabbath worship the sort of thing that could be feasibly called "metal" or is that a faux pas?
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Speaking of grand magus...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jcnDveLz2B8
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Appreciators of black metal / metal with folk in it / Victoriana! Go and listen to A Forest of Stars (http://www.aforestofstars.co.uk/). Now.
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disgorge is a band people should listen too
and david rotting era non-existance
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Did anyone say DragonForce yet?
Or Tony Trishka?
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I WILL COME BACK TO LIFE TO KICK YOUR ASS
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Some friends of mine that are sort of a mix between The DEP, Meshuggah, and Deicide called "The Goddamn Rodeo." If you're into fantasy stuff and guitar solos, this ain't your band. Not my thing so much, but very good at what they do; and, best name ever.
http://www.myspace.com/goddamnrodeo
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Did anyone say DragonForce yet?
did I already say that dragonforce really, really suck?
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I would like to mention a UK band that may or may not be metal, but are heavy and very good....
Iron Monkey
also has anyone said Unsane yet? Or Botch? Not straight up metal but still!
Oh and Narcosis blow/blew EVERYONE off the stage...even Pig Destroyer.
I used to work in an Indie Hipster bar and met members of Carcass there at a lock in, we got on as we were the only ones drinking wine, lovely vegan boys with good manners!
I also served Glen Benton a bottle of Newkie Brown, he had a cap on and looked liked Silent Bob so I couldn't see his forehead :(
And one more while I'm here: My friends family made all the backdrops/props for Iron Maiden & when I was about 5 I got to go inside an Eddie head and make all the features move, best childhood memory ever! :lol:
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Did anyone say DragonForce yet?
did I already say that dragonforce really, really suck?
Did you?
But still, Tony Trishka guys. He's so much metal.
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I would like to mention a UK band that may or may not be metal, but are heavy and very good....
Iron Monkey
For a moment there I thought you said Iron Maiden "may or may not be metal." Phew!
Re: suggestions: 'Empiricism' by Borknagar is just amazing. Especially the first track.
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The saddest thing about Dragonforce is now I have to be very careful about how I praise the perfectly fine Sega Saturn game to avoid being misunderstood. That, and they make me ashamed to enjoy trampolines.
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I like metal..All types, apart from metalcore bands and such (I'm not elitist, its just not really my thing).
The saddest thing about dragonforce is how much they sound like gamma ray, to me.
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I would like to mention a UK band that may or may not be metal, but are heavy and very good....
Iron Monkey
also has anyone said Unsane yet? Or Botch? Not straight up metal but still!
Iron Monkey absolutely destroy. Ridiculously intense, Our Problem has to be the greatest sludge record ever made. Fuck Eyehategod. I would say something about Unsane but you know damn well I'll never shut up if I do, so I'll limit myself to pointing out that they're one of the best bands of all time.
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I'm kind of curious about thrash metal in general. I've heard of Slayer obviously, and Kreator I like. I looked up Sodom after seeing them in this thread. Could anyone give me some good starting albums from these artists? I've heard a few songs from Kreator's Enemy of God, but I'm not sure if I should start there and work backwards, or get an earlier album and go from there.
Also-is Reign in Blood actually worth listening to?
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how about neuraxis, necrophagist, cephallic carnage, or meshuggah?
^_^
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how about neuraxis, necrophagist, cephallic carnage, or meshuggah?
^_^
they're all freaking awesome
Technical Metal for the win
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cute canadian metalhead ftw :)
except not. I listen to eeeeeverything.
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That's just not true.
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I'm kind of curious about thrash metal in general. I've heard of Slayer obviously, and Kreator I like. I looked up Sodom after seeing them in this thread. Could anyone give me some good starting albums from these artists? I've heard a few songs from Kreator's Enemy of God, but I'm not sure if I should start there and work backwards, or get an earlier album and go from there.
Also-is Reign in Blood actually worth listening to?
Reign in Blood is one of the best thrash albums. Personally, from Slayer I like Seasons in the Abyss and South of Heaven more, but those three albums are all awesome - and if you like the German thrash metal scene over the American then Reign in Blood is probably going to be your favourite.
From Kreator, I'd probably pick up Terrible Certainty or Extreme Aggression, though from what I've heard of Enemy of God that's a perfectly fine place to start.
Pick up Agent Orange by Sodom.
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Am I the only one who gets totally turned off by Araya?
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I never really liked Slayer, honestly.
How do all of you define metal? I can usually tell whether I consider something metal or not, but I couldn't tell you how.
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That's just not true.
The cute canadian part, or the metalhead part?
I hope the metalhead part, otherwise I might have to send cute minions on you, and it might not be a pretty scene.
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EDIT: oooh, lets have a competition to see who can mention the most obscure metal band!
MCR
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lmao
uhm.
damn
idk
I want to say Graveworm
cause like..nobody here in America knows about them
at least that I know.
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SEE WHAT I MEAN??? PEOPLE ALL GOING "OH, LET'S NAME AN OBSCURE METAL BAND CUZ THAT ONE GUY SAID SO" AND REGISTERING AN ACCOUNT JUST TO SHOW HOW BAD THEY ARE AT READING SARCASM OVER THE INTERNET
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That's just not true.
The cute canadian part, or the metalhead part?
I hope the metalhead part, otherwise I might have to send cute minions on you, and it might not be a pretty scene.
The "I listen to eeeeeverything." part. Is just. not. true.
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That's just not true.
The cute canadian part, or the metalhead part?
I hope the metalhead part, otherwise I might have to send cute minions on you, and it might not be a pretty scene.
The "I listen to eeeeeverything." part. Is just. not. true.
I love it when people say that. And then you introduce them to the musical massacre that is free jazz, and they are forced to take it back.
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HEY, EVERYBODY! LET'S HAVE AN OPEN-MINDEDNESS COMPETITION!
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Did Graveworm do that awful Maiden cover that everyone thinks is cradle of filth, or am I way off?
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That's just not true.
The cute canadian part, or the metalhead part?
I hope the metalhead part, otherwise I might have to send cute minions on you, and it might not be a pretty scene.
The "I listen to eeeeeverything." part. Is just. not. true.
I love it when people say that. And then you introduce them to the musical massacre that is free jazz, and they are forced to take it back.
I love metal, and I would say I listen to lots of things. Not everything, but lots of things. Hell, atm I am trying to find MORE free jazz..l :lol:
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Am I the only one who gets totally turned off by Araya?
Not at all, I really don't like Slayer, I get sick of hearing people say they're the best metal band of all time. Sure they did some stuff for the genre in the early years, but compare them to today's standards and they're fucking mediocre.
Oh and yeah, it was Graveworm that did the heinous cover of Maiden.
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Indeed, modern day slayer is a load of shit. Kreator and destruction are/were better IMO anyways...
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The Graveworm cover of Losing My Religion is excellent.
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I AM NECROADMIN, COME TO EAT YOUR NECROPOSTS. NECROPOOOOOOOOOOSTS!!!!!
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Anyways.
What is everyones prefered type of metal?
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OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM
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has anyone else heard the newest Rotting Christ record, "Theogonia"? Holy shit is it good. Seriously.
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so, you've not heard it then?
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MMMMMMM NECROPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSTS *shamble shamble* *CHOMP* *shamble shamble*
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Doom, anyone? I think ahab are really good..
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MMMMMMM NECROPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSTS *shamble shamble* *CHOMP* *shamble shamble*
So you'd prefer people made a new thread everytime they wanted to talk about metal? Sod off.
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*sod sod* CHOMP *sod sod*
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Are people allowed to post like that? It seems a bit spammish to me, but I guess I don't really know how things work around here.
Anyways..I would make an ahab thread, but they don't have much material and I don't know how many people are fans of them, so thier would not be much to discuss.
Anyways..People who say that metal is just metal, and that thier are no subgenres, are silly.
What about folk-influenced bands? I like some like windir, mythotyn, windir, falkenbach, tyr, menhir...
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Doom, anyone? I think ahab are really good..
seconded
well....btw, just to tease dimmukane: I saw Ephel Duath last friday (for the 3rd thime) they're INCREDIBLE live
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Skyclad. Add that to your list of folk metal.
What are they like? I prefer my folk metal to be blackened.
Odroerir are really good...More heavy than black, but still really good.
Anyways, doom.. Mournful congregation are really good. Funeral doom with black influences, from what I heard. It's pretty cool stuff. Drone is also quite good.
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Doom, anyone? I think ahab are really good..
seconded
well....btw, just to tease dimmukane: I saw Ephel Duath last friday (for the 3rd thime) they're INCREDIBLE live
*shamble shamble* HUAAAARGH!!! *splat* HUAAAAAAAAARGH!! *splat* *shamble shamble* CHOMP *sod sod*
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Odroerir are really good...More heavy than black, but still really good.
Ooh, thanks for turning me onto that.
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Are people allowed to post like that?
don't mind him, I think he's just had a bit too much crack
windir are really good
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Yes, they are. I used to listen to them all the time, but more recently I have been listening to falkenbach, because of the more 'full' synth sound. Shame about the guy from windir (Valfar) dying..
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Alright, I'll stop being a dick. Windir was awesome. But I still want this thread to die.
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Why? Its pretty much alive again..
Anyways, I am kind of elitist against metalcore/nu metal. Are you guys?
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No. I really, really love metalcore. Stand, Converge, Acme, Fall Silent, Skycamefalling, Integrity, even Morning Again... I love that stuff. It doesn't really belong in a metal thread though since it isn't metal, it just takes a lot from it.
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I assume you are listing old metalcore bands, as opposed to the new ones? It is the new type I don't like. I haven't listened to the old stuff...
Anyways, a couple of things that annoy me about metal:
1. All the newbies, who think Linkin Park are metal. And when you tell them they aren't, they are all like 'omgzorz stfu'
2. All the shitty low quality production black metal bands who blast beat all the time. Its just so annoying when the guitars and vocals are muffled (I normally don't have a problem with this) and all you can hear is a relentless blast beat overpowering everything else.
3. How lots of the good bands go bad. Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, basically lots of old thrash bands..
4. There is no irish folk metal. I mean, I haven't found any yet; come on guys, make some irish-influenced folk metal! It would be awesome!
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nu metal
I still think Spineshank's second album is kinda ok. Does that make me a bad person? :-D
Fuck Linkin Park and their ilk though.
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Never listened to spineshank. But y'know, it doesn't make you a bad person if you listen to nu metal. If you call nu metal metal though, that makes you a bad person. :lol:
Gamma Ray's 'powerplant' is a classic album. Anyone else like?
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I assume you are listing old metalcore bands, as opposed to the new ones? It is the new type I don't like. I haven't listened to the old stuff...
I didn't realise it when I was typing it but yes, all of those bands are defunct except Converge and their last record was a pretty poor effort. These days most people who used to play that style well have moved onto doing riff bands, influenced by things like Pelican, Led Zeppelin, Isis and Pink Floyd. D-Rail are still going though, they're always good live. Shame really about the lack of it, I like a bit of good intense metalcore and all the recent bands I've come across have been sadly tame. They never seem to have anything to mad about, not like Racetraitor, Chokehold or The Swarm.
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So, what do you guys think of drone metal? I know some of you like it...I like sunn O))), moonn, earth, nadja, black boned angel, wormphlegm.
And on the flipside, what about grindcore? Nasum, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Napalm Death, are probably my favourite. Early cattle decapitation is very good too.
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I love a bit of grind, although usually of the more technical kind. Goregrind has always bored the hell out of me. I really want the new Agents of Abhorrence, apparently it rips it up in that Discordance Axis fashion. Swarrrm have got a new one out too but I heard it's a bastard to get hold of a copy so I'm not too hopeful about hearing that unless I find it for download. And I'm still sorry I never saw Narcosis with Jamie on vocals before they split.
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I prefer grindcore to be short, fast and intense. Very intense.
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If it was just going to be a bunch of elitist new forumites, then I wanted it to die. But it's not anymore.
I'm not too big on grindcore, all I really like is !T.O.O.H.!, Genghis Tron, Pavor and a little bit of Cattle Decapitation.
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Cattle Decapitation have become a bit samey recently.
Its amazing how much boris have progressed since 'absolutego'..
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Can you guys recommend me some good black metal?
I just started listening to Watain's new CD and I love being able to hear the guitars, but I am looking for something a bit more melodic guitarwise, like more melodic tremolo picking.
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Good black metal?
Well, I assume you know these bands, but if not the classics: Immortal, burzum, gorgoroth, darkthrone, and mayhem are all good for the basic groundwork of getting to know the genre (some bands you may also want to check out are bathory, celtic frost, and venom; they helped lay the way for black metal).
Here are some very rough generalizations of the type of black metals:
1. Raw black metal- Along the line of darkthrone, stuff like abruptum, tsjuder, koldbrann are good. These bands sometimes have low quality production are often very satanic. LLN bands are recommended further listening.
2. Symphonic black metal- Stuff such as early dimmu borgir, early cradle of filth (the most commercial examples, but y'know), bands like luna ad noctum, emperor, and anorexia nervosa.
3. Folk black metal- Black metal influenced by folk/folk metal. Personally my favourite, I recommend bands such as windir, falkenbach, isvind, kampfar, nastrandir, alkonost,
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fuck I forgot how awesome Anorexia Nervosa were until I read that
thanks dude
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Yes, they are one of them bands that you keep forgetting about, but are absolutely awesome.
way better than wolves in the throne room and deathspell omega, IMO.
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I really like Emperor and Anorexia Nervosa kicks ass, so I am definitely looking for bands along those lines.
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Luna ad noctum...Um, old mans child? Sorry, I do not know many similiar bands of this type of black metal.
Perhaps I could just post my whole list of black metal bands and you could pick random ones until you find what you like? :-P
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I really like Watain's stuff, I just wish their guitars were more epic since the recording is good enough that you can hear them well.
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Windir and Falkenbach are quite epic. And I heard some bathory is, too.
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Can anybody recommend me some good speed metal albums in the vein of Kill 'Em All or Show No Mercy ?
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No, sorry. Anyone here listen to LLN bands?
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I'm obsessed with Vlad Tepes, but generally I'm not that impressed with the overall quality of it. Only other ones I really listen to with any sort of regularity are Mütiilation and Belketre. I tend to think of LLN as the ultimate example of how effective anti-advertising can be. Maybe I'm cynical, but I have a feeling that if the good corpse-painted folk of Brest had wanted to keep the LLN secret it would not have been particularly hard. Really, all they're doing is price gouging. Nowadays there are probably people prepared to £100 for a genuine copy of March to the Black Holocaust, which is of course insane.
As for Skyclad, if you've not got to them yet, they're not BM at all, but if you like Tyr you should probably be into at least some of their stuff. I'd start on their first album, 'Wayward Sons of Mother Earth'. It's the most metal, if you get me. Also, on the front of blackened folk metal, you might want to try Wyrd. Fucking brilliant stuff.
As for basic BM suggestions, I would say Carpathian Forest and solo Nattefrost were essential 'starting out' bands everyone into BM should be aware of, mainly because the more po-faced wankers in the BM scene hate them for having fun and including a saxophone on a few albums.
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True, but the LLN members themselves didn't make that much money.
And I think Aakon Keetreh and Torgeist are better than Belketre. Belathuzur and brenoritvrezorkre are mediocre at best, and vzaeurvbtre is just lulz.
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Yeah, but they became immensely kvlt, which is probably worth more. Lord Meyhna'ch didn't make too bad a music career out of it, taken in the context of raw black metal.
I don't have any Aakon Keetreh, I kind of gave up after Brenoritvrezorkre, actually. I never really liked LLN enough to tracking down all of it. I know I don't have any Satanicum Tenebrae, Necro Paris Catacombes, Vermyapre Kommando and a bunch of made up stuff with too many umlauts.
Also, speaking of Kommandos and Anorexia Nervosa, any of you lads or ladettes into The Count Nosferatu Kommando/Cosa Nostra Klub/CNK?
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I haven't checked out skyclad and wyrd, but I have heard they are good.
Menhir are great.
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How the fuck has nobody mentioned Sonata Arctica or Kamelot yet?
Srsly guize ;(
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Srsly guize ;(
Because of this.
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What metal gig is that? I'm reckoning something like watain, or perhaps nargaroth..
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Lol, Nargaroth.
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Nargaroth are hilarious. Oh yes, and I am slowly gathering a collection of LLN works.
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Nargaroth are hilarious. Oh yes, and I am slowly gathering a collection of LLN works.
Brenoritvrezorkre
Vzaeurvbtre
Vagézaryavtre
Susvourtre
Moëvöt
Dzlvarv
Mogoutre
how do they create their band names? throw some scrabble tiles on the floor?
"Mogoutre's demo is rumored to be a microphone stuck into a rat and then recorded by black legions members."
btw: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=X9XPawPKVrA (http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=X9XPawPKVrA) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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By into a rat, they mean into its anus. Seriously.
Anyways, here's what I got:
Aakon Keetreh- Dans le foret, the dark winter, Journey into the depths of the night
Amaka Hahina- Demetria
Belathuzur- Melancholy of evil souls
Belketre- Ambre Zuetki Vuordrevartre (bootleg), March to the black holocaust (split), Twilight of the black holocaust
brenoritvrezorkre- ervoelbtre (bootleg), vermyapreb
dzlvarv- Demo 1996
Mutiilation- Hail satanas we are the black legions, Remains of a dead cursed soul
torgeist- black legions metal (split), Devoted to satan, Time of Sabbath
Vlad Tepes- black legions metal (split), broullions 1, broullions 2, march to the black holocaust (split), return of the unsweeping moon, War funeral march
vzaeurvbtre- Aux Confins De L'errance, Halte Funebre Et Melancolique Au Sommet De Rochers Suprlombant L'Ocean, Urvdrem Uatre Uetre
If you want any, I got 'em all up on soulseek.
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I figure this is as good a place as any to start off.
Since I'm just some random kid who lives in a desert, I have seen no good metal bands live. It's really pretty saddening for me. But, nobody cares about that.
I' personally, have started getting into the Australian metal scene recently. I happened upon a band called Be`lakor a few months back, and now I'm trying to learn a few more bands, like Ne Obliviscaris and other bands that are really difficult to spell.
Other than that, it's mostly some main-stream stuff, with more under-ground mixed in on occasion. Blind Guardian, Clandestine, Helloween, Iced Earth, and some other operatic power-bands are good. Also, stuff like Nile, Necrophagist, Amon Amarth the ever-popular Opeth, Suffocation, Behemoth, Black Forest, Anaal Nathrakh, and so forth.
And, despite the fact that the Nuclear Blast dig was a while ago, that guy needs to realize that at least one of the bands he mentioned has them as a label.
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Be'lakor are pretty awesome.
Try checking out Lamort, they're a pretty damn good black metal band (who I also happen to be seeing on Sunday).
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The mention of Opeth made me wonder, what would be a good album to start with for them? I found them somewhat boring when I listened to one of their albums, but I don't find them objectionable.
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The mention of Opeth made me wonder, what would be a good album to start with for them?
Blackwater Park
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Morningrise is by far my favourite.
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Morningrise was the one that I found really boring. I tried My Arms, Your Hearse just now, but I found is pretty boring overall, until the Maiden cover. Blackwater Park is apparently the one album that isn't on here.
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How about starting a new thread with Opeth in the subject line? That way people who might not check this thread anymore could add their thoughts....
hmm....where'd that picture of a dead horse go....
Get Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries. I know saying Ghost Reveries isn't very tr00, but see if I care, its a good album.
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Wow, only one mention so far for maudlin of the Well and Kayo Dot? They're pretty much as good as it gets when it comes to avant-garde metal.
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I kinda wish this thread would just...stop.
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NO, THAT ONLY MAKES THEM MORE EXCITED
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Ye gods.
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Why do you want the thread to stop so much?
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How can the thread stop when we have 50 of Dave Murray?
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Guys, didn't we do this just a page ago?
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Damn, that's a sharp suit.
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Morningrise is by far my favourite.
Follow that up with Ghost Reveries, it's my favorite. =)
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This is my first post in this thread, and oh is this thread so full of win.
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Why do you want the thread to stop so much?
Because it is a rotten ghetto. We must fill the whole FORUM with metal discussion.
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Wow, I have too much metal. More than 50% of my music is some form of metal.
Anyways, I might start getting more doom stuff...Anyone got any funeral or drone to recommend for me?
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Wow, I have too much metal. More than 50% of my music is some form of metal.
Anyways, I might start getting more doom stuff...Anyone got any funeral or drone to recommend for me?
Paramaecium, imo.
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Will check them out. Got some khanate, that is seriously good. And I am just about to check out some thergothon.
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i like the melvins :)
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I... see?
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Wow, I have too much metal. More than 50% of my music is some form of metal.
Anyways, I might start getting more doom stuff...Anyone got any funeral or drone to recommend for me?
Mourning Beloveth
AHAB
Shape of Despair
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Ahab are awesome, I have been listening to 'the stream' and 'call of the wretched sea' since 'call...' came out, and I just got my hands on 'the oath' demo. Great stuff.
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Wow, I have too much metal. More than 50% of my music is some form of metal.
Only 50%? LUKEWARM.
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What? Am I not allowed to listen to different types of music?
Anyways, half of my metal is black so that means 25% of my music is BM. Which didn't surprise me.
Anyone else like the new earth album? I thought it was great.
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To have too much metal, one must have 667% of their music be metal. Or 66.7% works too, I think.
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a shade over 80% of mine is. the rest is mostly EBM.
AS for funeral doom... try Esoteric.
Take My Dying Bride, and slow them WAYYYYYY down, and you have Esoteric.
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What makes metal be metal? I haven't ever been able to figure that out, but I hadn't thought about it for a while, so I decided to see if anyone here had any opinions on the matter.
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Heavy metal is two things:
1. Heavy as fuck
2. Metal as fuck
That is, it sounds like a boulder bring dropped on a freight ship and slowly crawling down the side, scraping against the metal deck as it drags the ship to its doom.
Bands that sound like this include but are not limited to:
- Black Sabbath
- Iron Maiden
- Judas Priest
- Motorhead
- Amon Amarth
- Decapitated
- Necrophagist
- Blind Guardian
- Iced Earth
- Angra
- Orange Goblin
- Nekrogoblikon
- Candlemass
- Death
- Manowar
- Warbringer
- Heathen
- Dark Angel
Some musical elements and techniques often evident are:
- Palm muting. This "muting" allows a note to ring out to an extent while some of its frequencies are more or less destroyed. On higher strings, this actually gives a more solid, bright sound, but on lower strings it makes shit heavy as fuck.
- Tremolo picking. Often combined with the above, the aim of tremolo picking to create a volume variance of the same pitch. Since the note is struck repeatedly, its intensity is renewed over and over and over ect. Most common in death and black metal, and somewhat common in thrash.
- Harmonised thirds. To be fair, this is a popular element in jazz and classical, but metal is probably the most prominent use of this in popular music is in metal. And in Iron Maiden. Basically, one guitar player plays a note, and the other guitarist, at the same time, plays a note exactly three scale degrees above it. In the key of A minor, for example, A would be harmonised with C, B would be harmonised with D, C would be harmonised with E, ect. Basically, it creates a major or minor diad (depending on the scale degree) and thickens the sound without actually sounding like a chord.
- Power chords! The simplest chord in the book. Take a note and its fifth scale degree (e.g. E and B) and you have a power chord. They create a kind of dragging sound, and are so harmonically ambiguous that you can play just about any scale over them.
- Heavy distortion. Seriously.
- Technical drumming. Simple drumming can work, but technical drumming just takes up more space in an auditory sense, and thus, it just plain heavier.
- Effective use of bass. Sure, you could have the bass playing root notes the whole time. Or you could use it to be heavy as fuck. Your call.
- Wild soloing. Not necessary, but most metal fans love a wicked solo and thus the musicians deliver.
- Pinch harmonics. Basically a harmonic that a guitarist will shake around to really make it scream. Often used to emphasise a certain note or grab attention. That is, the pinch harmonic is basically a tool of dynamics. Just about impossible without heavy distortion.
- Actually being heavy. There's a difference between being heavy and being harsh. For instance, all hardcore ever is not heavy metal because it is not heavy enough. But it is harsh, but harshness is not a requirement of heavy metal, although it is seen as a virtue in the realm of extreme metal.
- Rocking the fuck out. If you are not rocking, you are doing it wrong.
Anyway, if you use many/most of/all the above, then you are probably playing metal, or at least very metal-influenced rock.
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So what does heavy mean? :P
I was wondering because I have been on an Agalloch listening-spree lately, and while all of their music manages to give an impression of heavy, which is what I look for when thinking metal, I guess, I wasn't sure if it is possible for an all acoustic song/piece to be metal. Well... there are acoustic shows, but those don't count, they are songs played on acoustics written for electrics.
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i always belived heaviness was directly related to riffs...hence black metal almost never being described as heavy
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However, black metal is still considered "heavy" metal due to its roots and just goddamn not being close enough in sound to anything else.
I mean, sure, black metal isn't exactly the heaviness equivalent of a nuke at terminal velocity, but it sounds like a fucking buzzsaw.
"Heaviness" can't just be measured in pitch, either, otherwise asshole bands like Slipknot would actually be heavy. Heaviness is measured in brutality, i.e. brutons, where 1 bruton is equal to every 100 brain cells you lose whilst headbanging to a certain band or piece of music.
You can measure this in approximation:
Take your IQ as a starting point. You lose this many brain cells per headbang at normal tempo and intensity. For each level of intensity decreased, this is divided by 2, likewise with speed. For each level of intensity gained, this is multiplied by two.
For example, I am listening to Amon Amarth's "Asator":
[(132 x 4) x 2]/100 = B
1056/100 = B
10.56 = B
As you can see, Amon Amarth's "Asator" is 10.56 brutons, which is quite exceptional (the average being 1.32). The more astute among you might have noticed that the higher one's IQ, the more brutal music is in general. This is absolutely true, especially since numerous studies have exposed the popularity of heavy music to intellectually gifted students.
And if you're more intelligent there's that whole layer perception schtick or something. Dunno.
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Black metal isn't heavy? Go get marduk's 'rom 5:12', blast it out at full volume then come back and tell me that black isn't heavy.
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It's not heavy. Almost all black metal isn't heavy, it's harsh. Only band I can think of off the top of my head that would be heavy is Negura Bunget, because of that huge, throbbing bass guitar.
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How heavy can a band be before it actually stops being metal? I am thinking specifically of Om. Om are heavier than fuck. They have distilled heaviness into something that needs no metal to support itself. There isn't even a guitar involved! Are they metal?
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It's not heavy. Almost all black metal isn't heavy, it's harsh. Only band I can think of off the top of my head that would be heavy is Negura Bunget, because of that huge, throbbing bass guitar.
ITS HEAVY IF YOU TURN IT UP LOUD ENOUGH
There is no limit to how heavy a metal band can be.
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I disagree. Any metal band that decides to edit their bass into the background too much (re: almost every black metal band out there), is not heavy. I think there is a distinction between the two. I've heard grandpas' guitars played heavier than Mayhem. A metal band is only as heavy as its bass section. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that not all metal bands are 'heavy'.
And onewheel, while not being much of a metal band, the only word I have to describe Moccassin is 'heavy'. Especially that one song "Ezra's Ghost". Outside of doom/drone stuff, literally the heaviest song I've heard.
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Sure, not every metal band, but Marduk have some pretty good bass, especially live.
I will have to check out moccassin. The song 'dopethrone' by Electric Wizard is incredibly heavy IMO, whilst still maintaining an almost undoomish tempo.
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I disagree. Any metal band that decides to edit their bass into the background too much (re: almost every black metal band out there), is not heavy. I think there is a distinction between the two. I've heard grandpas' guitars played heavier than Mayhem. A metal band is only as heavy as its bass section. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that not all metal bands are 'heavy'.
Yeah, exactly. I always figured that kinda metal was supposed to be really, really heavy but then I listened to Darkthrone and it just sounded so tinny and weak that it was more comical than anything.
Doesn't matter how 'brutal' you think you are, if the production winds up with your album sounding like it was recorded up someone's ass, it doesn't sound heavy to me.
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And onewheel, while not being much of a metal band, the only word I have to describe Moccassin is 'heavy'. Especially that one song "Ezra's Ghost". Outside of doom/drone stuff, literally the heaviest song I've heard.
You listen to a lot of Dead Meadow, right?
I would personally match up "One and Old," "The White Worm," and possibly "Eyeless Gaze All Eye/Don't Tell the Riverman" against "Ezra's Ghost." Maybe even "Sleepy Silver Door" or "Beyond the Fields We Know." Dead Meadow do metal-less heaviness REALLY well (I initially loved Moccasin because as far as I was concerned they had made the best album Dead Meadow never got around to).
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I disagree. Any metal band that decides to edit their bass into the background too much (re: almost every black metal band out there), is not heavy. I think there is a distinction between the two. I've heard grandpas' guitars played heavier than Mayhem. A metal band is only as heavy as its bass section. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that not all metal bands are 'heavy'.
And onewheel, while not being much of a metal band, the only word I have to describe Moccassin is 'heavy'. Especially that one song "Ezra's Ghost". Outside of doom/drone stuff, literally the heaviest song I've heard.
Yes, not all metal bands are heavy, but not all black metal bands aren't heavy. As I already said, marduks rom 5:12..
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So we haven't agreed on what heavy is yet, or did I miss it?
I think bass has a good amount to do with it, but there is something in the attitude of the music as well, there is probably some technical term for what causes it, but I don't know musical terminology.
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I always figured heavy was how bassy and full-on the sound was, whereas metal was more about the attack and the speed of the music.
The opening riff to Black Sabbath (imo) is a perfect example of heavy. It's low, it's full-on, and its dissonant. It just blows you the fuck away.
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Yeah, awesome riff. I learned that song once, but couldn't get that galloping riff right, could probably do it now.
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I always figured heavy was how bassy and full-on the sound was, whereas metal was more about the attack and the speed of the music.
The opening riff to Black Sabbath (imo) is a perfect example of heavy. It's low, it's full-on, and its dissonant. It just blows you the fuck away.
yeah but look at the berzerker they down tune to A and the play one of the more "full on" sounds you'll hear, but they arn't (in my opinion) heavy...they are one of the more brutal bands to ever grace death grind though
there also has to be another distinction made somewhere between heaviness and stoner riffing because orange goblin adn queens of the stone age don't belong being described as heavy (they do deserve to be quoted as having rightous riffing)...yet somehow kyuss and others cross a line somewhere that makes them transend into the definition of heavy
anyway jsut more thoughts to make this more complicated than it already is
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The Berzerker manage to fuse together grindcore/death metal and speedcore. Which is AWESOME.
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hey i never said they were bad...but what is speed core?
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I know you never said they were bad. I was just saying they were good.
Speedcore isn't really anything to do with metal. Imagine gabba/hardcore, take out any synth, turn the bpm up to 300-700bpm and add screaming/shouting/whatever over the top. Speedcore is to rave what grindcore is to rock. Personally, I do not mind speedcore (what can I say, I like noise too), because it is noisy and intense.
But yeah, the berzerker I heard had speedcore elements, and it was great.
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It's not heavy. Almost all black metal isn't heavy, it's harsh. Only band I can think of off the top of my head that would be heavy is Negura Bunget, because of that huge, throbbing bass guitar.
heavy is a feeling. Listen to "The Knell and The World" by Dawn and tell me that isn't some heavy black metal.
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I haven't heard of most of these bands that have been posted, probably because most of them are in a type of metal that I don't listen to. I prefer more melodic stuff. Not big (read: generally hate) on death/black and prefer bands like Kamelot, Nightwish, Epica, Within Temptation (though they've become a lot more commercialized over the years, unfortunately), After Forever, Sonata Arctica, Dragonforce, and we can't forget Rhapsody of Fire. Kamelot is, hands down, my favorite band ever. If I could make love to Roy Khan's voice, I would.
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I haven't heard of most of these bands that have been posted, probably because most of them are in a type of metal that I don't listen to. I prefer more melodic stuff. Not big (read: generally hate) on death/black and prefer bands like Kamelot, Nightwish, Epica, Within Temptation (though they've become a lot more commercialized over the years, unfortunately), After Forever, Sonata Arctica, Dragonforce, and we can't forget Rhapsody of Fire. Kamelot is, hands down, my favorite band ever. If I could make love to Roy Khan's voice, I would.
Must.... Not.... Insult.... Must.... Resist.... urge to be elitist asshole :cry:
Anyways, on the topic of "heavy", I usually distinguish between "heavy" and "Brutal".
Two examples for y'all:
Electric Wizard is heavy. Reeeaaally fucking heavy. Really slow, fuzzed out and with some seriously downtuned guitars as well.
De-tuned guitars is by no means a necessity for heaviness, as Black Sabbath proved pretty darned early on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77uVmkb6oes&feature=related
I love this shit, seriously...
Nile is brutal.
They pummel the shit out of you with 220+ bpm blast beats, insanely technical guitar-work and deep, guttural growl vocals.
There is some heaviness to be found, but the naked agression and speed tend to be dominant factors. They tune their guitars down to Drop A (which is very low), but detuning is still not necessary to make brutal Death Metal, as Pestilence, Atheist and Obituary proved early on as well.
Nasum only tune to drop D as well, and they are indeed quite brutal.
An Example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNQpLFns-CA
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Yep, Electric Wizard are fucking heavy. Doom is pretty much the epitome of heavy - look at Candlemass, My Dying Bridge, Cathedral. Slow, low, and dissonant.
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And that's still not touching upon the most extreme doom regions- Funeral, drone, etc.
I think I may make some kind of 'mind map' of metal, based on some kind of axis...
One side of the axis (X) will be extremeness, but I have no idea what to put for the other one.
On the subject of doom, can someone see whether they can find me a band that fits this? A blackened funeral doom band with tempos between 40bpm and 5bpm (imagine a combination of latest earth and incredibly slowed down ahab/nortt/funeral mourning), and a heavy stoner touch (imagine an incredibly slowed down, even more downtuned and heavy electric wizard).
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I like the folk metal bands like Ensiferum, Finntroll, and such. I also like a lot of the prog/power metal bands like Symphony X and Sonata Arctica. :P
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Ensiferum and Finntroll are great. What about...Otyg?
brutal Death Metal, as Pestilence, Atheist and Obituary
One outa three aint bad right
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bbqrocks, I think I might've found something that fits your criteria. A while ago I found a half-hour song called Stormbringer by a band called Roanoke ... turns out it's track one of three on their album/demo (I don't have the other two songs but they're on the MySpace).
Give it a shot.
http://www.mediafire.com/?2yd0lzlm0xc
Also, I don't know if the 5ive I uploaded to the Mediafire thread is still active ... it's something like 10 or 12 pages back right now, probably. If you can find it (the album is called "Telestic Disfracture") that might also be your kind of thing.
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brutal Death Metal, as Pestilence, Atheist and Obituary
One outa three aint bad right
And that one might be?
(I'm guessing obituary here, but to me brutality is just as much derived from the "Chaotic" technicality as well as pure thrashin'.)
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@Onewheelwizzard: Thanks for that. I did check out 5ive, but I was honestly so tired at the time I can't remember what the hell it went like. I will give it another listen.
@Lummer: Yeah, obituary. That is, obituary are the only 'brutal death metal' band in that sentence, but all of the bands are 'death metal that is brutal'.
Would anyone recommend checking out atavist?
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Yes, but really you can't compare Obituary to for instance Atheist, stylistically. I just needed some quick examples of death metal-ish band who make brutal riffs without tuning down :p
I like Atheist infinitely better, though.
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Yeah, exactly.
Dammit, bunkur and heirophant DLs failed.
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Yep, Electric Wizard are fucking heavy. Doom is pretty much the epitome of heavy - look at Candlemass, My Dying Bridge, Cathedral. Slow, low, and dissonant.
I have heard of and listen to MDB and Candlemass, but haven't heard of cathedral. Time to look them up, I guess.
I honestly like the Candlemass self-titled best of what I have heard, I don't like Epicus' vocals, and the somewhat fast solos on Nightfall seem out of place.
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Must.... Not.... Insult.... Must.... Resist.... urge to be elitist asshole :cry:
Well, everyone likes different music so even if you were being an elitist asshole I wouldn't care. I'm a bit of a acrimonious bitch on occasion :D I love to sing, love to sing along to music, so melody is very important for me. Hence the bands I listen to :) So go ahead with what you want to say.
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I'm a melody slut. I dig stuff like In Flames and Children of Bodom, but Nile and Necrophagist do nothing for me. The riffs are extremely technical, but the tone is so muddy and the mixing so deep that it's impossible to fully appreciate (i.e. HEAR) the notes going by. One can get a general sense of what is going on, but detailed listening is impossible for the first time through.
Most of my metal/rockish listening lies along the 80s lines. I fell in love with Uli Jon Roth, Yngwie Malmsteen and Paul Gilbert a few years ago, and haven't really looked back. The playing is fantastic, and the writing is just phenomenal. The harmonies on Malmsteen's Rising Force just seem right to me, and the way Gilbert flies through his solos with such control is amazing.
I'm also in love with Dream Theater, Megadeth, Randy/Jake-era Ozzy, Iron Maiden, some Priest, Steve Vai, and Queen. The prog-metal DT stuff blew me away when I first heard it, and I've gone on to amass every record of theirs (including live albums and DVDs) since Scenes From a Memory in 1999. I'm now working my way backwards. The Megadeth shit I love because it's brutally heavy, very melodic, and has a great feel to it. It's the metalhead's metal. Ozzy and Maiden are self-explanatory, and the other stuff is just what I groove on.
I also listen to random thrash like Anthrax (early-mid 80s only), Slayer, Testament, Exodus, yada yada. But lately I've been dipping heavily into progressive and jazz.
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As I suggested above, I personally think that heaviness has less to do with the pitch of the music and more to do with the phrasing and technique that goes into it.
That's why bands Iron Maiden and Amon Amarth can, at once, be considered melodic and heavy. Bands like Iron Maiden and Angra can write songs in the key of D without downtuning and still be heavy as fuck because it's all about phrasing. Hell, Megadeth wrote a song in B without downtuning (Tornado Of Souls) and it's probably one of their heaviest songs.
So yeah, I personally don't think pitch comes into it.
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Anyone who says that War Pigs isn't heavy is being stupid, yet that isn't downtuned horribly.
So yes, downtuning /=/ heavy.
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Honestly, in my opinion Megadeth and Iron Maiden etc. will never be heavy. They're metal, no doubt, but not particularly heavy.
Also, Black Sabbath have always downtuned, to D at the least - when they hit Master Of Reality it got dropped down another step to C#.
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Nile is brutal.
They pummel the shit out of you with 220+ bpm blast beats, insanely technical guitar-work and deep, guttural growl vocals.
good, but they will never match the heaviness on Amongst The Catacombs Of Nephren-ka. By far their best work.
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Honestly, in my opinion Megadeth and Iron Maiden etc. will never be heavy. They're metal, no doubt, but not particularly heavy.
Go to them in concert or listen to them on a really kickass sound system.
I saw Iron Maiden in concert and they were goddamn heavy. Not just like, intense and noisy, but heavy. Being there really does make a difference.
Going on my point about metal being about phrasing, I think you'll find the heaviest bands all use large interval distances in their riffs. Necrophagist comes to mind. They use bassy, palm-muted riffage dispersed by treble licks or notes every couple of bars, and it's right heavy.
In any case, Megadeth/Iron Maiden ect. may not seem that heavy anymore, but remember that Iron Maiden was one of the primary influences not only on thrash metal, but death metal as well. In fact, you'll find that Death's music lacks "heaviness" in the sense of pitch in comparison to their DM contemporaries in the 90s (when techdeath, brutal death and slam started to gain favour in the underground) but the music is just so well phrased that they never needed to tune down below D standard.
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I'm still going to have to disagree with you on the Megadeth/Maiden thing - the riffs just aren't particularly heavy riffs in my opinion.
But moving on, I definately agree that the phrasing are a big part too. The whole bass / treble switchover a la Necrophagist (A perfect example would be the Raining Blood opening riff, before shit gets crazy) can have a pretty cool feel.
But I think probably the chosen notes/intervals are just as big a contributor - if you leave a riff hanging on a dissonant note you can imbue some seriously heavy tension into the song. Tritone, Minor Sixth, Minor Second, etc. add a very evil feel that can make even standard or D tuning sound very heavy. Solitude by Candlemass uses standard tuning (if I remember right. It's either that or D) and it's heavy as fuck because of the whole hang the riff on a dissonant note idea.
I was also going to write something about Meshuggah being heavy here, but I'm not entirely sure how I can rationalize it without just screaming 'dissonance' at 'yall for a while.
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Also dude I can kind of understand Iron Maiden not seeming heavy but MEGADETH DUDE.
We ARE talking about the Holy Wars/Peace Sells/Hangar 18/Killing Is My Business Megadeth, right?
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Okay, yeah, Holy Wars was kinda heavy. But I think aggressive, fast, balls to the wall metal when I think of Megadeth, not crushingly heavy or anything like that. They had metal coming out their ass, but I still don't think they were that heavy.
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They had metal coming out their ass
That sounds painful, and at the same time, like something in a music video Khar would link.
I don't really think of Megadeth as heavy, I think of heavy as slower, usually.
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Honestly, in my opinion Megadeth and Iron Maiden etc. will never be heavy. They're metal, no doubt, but not particularly heavy.
Also, Black Sabbath have always downtuned, to D at the least - when they hit Master Of Reality it got dropped down another step to C#.
The first couple of albums were at least played in the key of E. I am certain the guitars were tuned standard, as well.
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According to wikipedia it was tuned to D, but hey, it's wikipedia so you could be right.
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I know for a fact that they used to tune to E, because I tune to E and can play along with many of their songs free of dissonance.
Not that it's highly relevant. Even when Sabbath tuned below E, they scarcely used any of the notes underneath the low E. In fact, I think Tony tuned down more for the tone and handling of the instrument than the actual pitch.
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Yeah Tony downtuned because he lost two of his fingertips in an accident and needed looser string tension.