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Title: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 11 Jan 2008, 12:02
There's been some serious emo activity in the mediafire thread and somebody asked for recommendations of old school emo bands, so instead of taking up tons of space in there I decided it would be easier to start a thread for some emo chat. So, down to the business of some essentials.

Rites of Spring - the undisputed godfathers of emo. So much has been said about this band over the years I'm not sure what I can add. They were key to revolution summer in Washington DC, year zero for emo basically. People were sick of the macho bullshit in the hardcore scene so decided to shake things up with music the tough guys would hate but was as intense as what had come before. Wearing your heart on your sleeve never sounded this good before.

Embrace - the marmite of emo. So many people loathe this band for Ian Mackaye's vocals but personally I love them, I do see where they're coming from though. This band was basically the old line-up of Faith with Ian replacing his brother on vocals. Sadly the tensions that led to the end of Faith were still there and they were very short-lived, but in their brief career they did give us one of the building blocks of the emo sound.

The Hated - this was the band that took emo out on the road so people who weren't from DC got to hear it (they were from Maryland if I remember right), criminally overlooked these days. All their records are now out of press although I hear Troubleman Unlimited are doing a discog, but that's been supposed to be happening for years so who knows when it'll see the light of day. Very melodic with those classic out of tune vocals used to much in emo, they're probably the early emo band with the greatest distance from hardcore.

Moss Icon - another of the first emo bands from outside DC, Moss Icon ploughed a much more hardcore furrow than The Hated in their later recordings. Some of my favourites though are songs like the compilation track Cornflower Blue which are incredibly vulnerable, sounding like complicated poetry set to music.

Mohinder - I've jumped forward quite a while now to get onto screamo. Screamo is where emo moves back from the gentler sound of their precursors to create something that was just as un-macho but far more aggressive at the same time. Mohinder's lyrics read like short poems just a couple of lines long, screamed and repeated to chaotic music.

Orchid - one thing people often forget about emo is that it's actually extremely political, it's the side of punk rock with the greatest adherence to the DIY ethic and usually fiercely anti-homophobia, anti-sexist, anti-racist and often inclined towards far left/autonomous/anarchist politics. They think it's all about lyrics related to lost loves and the like, and although that kind of thing comes up it's actually more common for a band's lyrics to be utterly enigmatic or highly charged political polemics. This is hardcore music after all. Orchid combined the two, unafraid to be highly intellectual, critical of the scene they came from's consumerism and shallowness, namedrop Foucault and Adorno and try and bring the sexiness back into hardcore at the same time. Musically, the also often upped the brutality on even the likes of Mohinder with songs that are the sound of what happens when screamo and grindcore meet head-on.

Okay, that's all for now. This is not a list of the most important bands at all (no Cap'n Jazz, Braid, Native Nod, Swing Kids and so many others many would argue should be mentioned before many of that lot) just the first few I felt like mentioning.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Jackie Blue on 11 Jan 2008, 12:39
Envy are really good.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: sean on 11 Jan 2008, 13:56
Envy are really good.


Agreed! I posted them in the mediafire thread a while ago. You should listen to them.
Other emo/scremo bands people should listen to:

City of Caterpillar- excellent post-rock feeling emo. Pleanty of long, slow, building dirges leading up to passonite bursts.
Saetia- One of the most definitive scremo bands. Brilliant musicianship all around.
Circle Takes the Square- Probably one of my favorite bands ever. Expect complete insanity.
Hot Cross- brilliant emo band that just broke up last summer. They had the same singer and drummer as Saetia. They have absoutely brilliant guitar parts.

Bleh, I suck at describing bands. Oh well. Listen to those guys too.

Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Chad K. on 11 Jan 2008, 14:23
Great second wave Emo bands-

early Sunny Day Real Estate
Mineral
Texas is the Reason
Elliot
later Braid
Camber
The Casket Lottery
late Brandston
early The Get Up Kids
early JeJune
Further Seems Forever
early Jimmy Eat World
The Appleseed Cast
early The Anniversary
Christie Front Drive
Split Lip/Chamberlain
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Misereatur on 11 Jan 2008, 14:30
I hate grocery band lists.

Also,
Envy are really good.

I don't know, I find them kind of boring. Are we talking about the japanese Envy?
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Chad K. on 11 Jan 2008, 15:09
I hate grocery band lists.


A thousand pardons.  Here ya go-

Sunny Day Real Estate - quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
Mineral- quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
Texas is the Reason - quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
Elliot- quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
later Braid- quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
Camber- quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
The Casket Lottery- quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
late Brandston - quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
early The Get Up Kids - quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
early JeJune - quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
Further Seems Forever - quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
early Jimmy Eat World - quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
The Appleseed Cast - quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
early The Anniversary - quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
Christie Front Drive - quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
Split Lip/Chamberlain - quiet/loud style single note picking and octave chords, breathy vocals mixed with screaming.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: doki on 11 Jan 2008, 15:16
everything you need to know about emo you can learn from three bands:


Weezer
Smashing Pumpkins
Queen
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Storm Rider on 11 Jan 2008, 15:44
...What does Queen have to do with emo at all?
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: TrialAndTerror on 11 Jan 2008, 15:51
Well if I'm going to start posting on here, it's good to see people have a sense of humour.

Obvious post for an emo thread - www.fourfa.com (http://www.fourfa.com) Not exactly definitive, but covers the bases pretty well.

Random rec - everyone should listen to Assfactor 4, just for being called that and being good.
Random fact - Orchid, despite all their intellectual references, couldn't spell for shit. Or at least whoever designed their album art couldn't. Epilouge To A Car Crash?

Seeing as most of your main bands have been named, how about this - Emo is a stupid genre name, and gets stupider all the time. Covers at least three distinct styles of music without even going into screamo or emo-influenced stuff. That said, it is awesome.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: sean on 11 Jan 2008, 16:01
Emo may be a terrible genre name, but a lot of genre's are terribly named. Post-Rock? That name is horribly stupid and covers way too many types of instrumental music, from Tortoise to Mogwai. Indie is even worse, but we shan't speak of that here. Too much controversy.

And we live in a sad world if My Chemical Romance can be considered "definitive" by any standard.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: TrialAndTerror on 11 Jan 2008, 16:31
Yeah but when other people want to know what you like and you say NOT CRAP they get pretty defensive. I always say anything i can dance to. Of course moshing and just generally jumping around while screaming a lot are included under dancing.

I actually got into emo because Q magazine called Weezer emo and I liked the song Hash Pipe when I was 14.

Anyone ever listen to The Emo Diaries comp series? Deep Elm put it out back when they had some really good bands. There's a whole bunch of styles on there, but the inserts always said emo was more about an ideal behind the music rather than a genre. I think this is pretty good, i.e. that band is such and such genre, but also emo. Blah.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: 12-tone on 11 Jan 2008, 16:52
...What does Queen have to do with emo at all?

Massive influence on My Chemical Romance who are now the definitive "Emo" band.

See, this nonsense works both ways.

This was my point.

I just wanted to say that the beginning to whatever that first single from The Black Parade was (I think it was the title track?) only sounds like a Queen song because the intro is Canon in D. Queen loved to do the Canon thing in their songs.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: doki on 11 Jan 2008, 16:56


I just wanted to say that the beginning to whatever that first single from The Black Parade was (I think it was the title track?) only sounds like a Queen song because the intro is Canon in D. Queen loved to do the Canon thing in their songs.

accusing someone of stealing canon in d is like complaining about a song having a C chord in it. Green day stole canon as well. Do THEY sound anything like queen?

The Black Parade's guitar solo is almost note for note Bohemian Rhapsody's guitar solo.  There is one difference that tipped me off to the whole thing   
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: 12-tone on 11 Jan 2008, 16:59
A lot of songs use the progression, yeah. I've seen the "Pachelbel rant" video too. The beginning of that song just Canon in D.

Also, I wasn't really trying to start an argument about it.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Nodaisho on 11 Jan 2008, 17:40
...What does Queen have to do with emo at all?

Massive influence on My Chemical Romance who are now the definitive "Emo" band.

See, this nonsense works both ways.

This was my point.
We forgive Queen for it though, How were any of them supposed to know they would inspire a crappy band?

Actually... any good band likely inspires plenty of bad bands, but not many of them get that big.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Kai on 11 Jan 2008, 18:22
Moss Icon was a pretty great band, I reckon.

Also, do you think Mineral are worth a mention? While not specifically "first wave emo" I'd say they were pretty influential and put out two really good records.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Scarychips on 11 Jan 2008, 19:48
Moneen could be considered as Emo, but hell they make great music, I might upload "The Red Tree" later
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Jan 2008, 20:04
Moneen are alright.  I have a few of their songs and thought the were cool.  "If Tragedy's Appealing, Then Disaster's an Addiction" is a really catchy song.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Near Lurker on 11 Jan 2008, 21:05
Of course, ask pretty much any band that considers themselves "emo" to name a particular song that inspired them, and you can bet a certain Queen song will come up.

Although you can ask quite a few bands that aren't emo...
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: supersheep on 11 Jan 2008, 21:12
Y'know, when this thread began it was about music in a paticular style that is often termed emo rather than being about how the chord progression of Pechelbel's Canon in D is a pretty common one.

I liked THAT thread.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Leinad on 11 Jan 2008, 21:20
WARNING! I AM GAY FOR MCR!


Now, got that out of the way. I would just like to say: Fucking hypocrites. You claim to be music lovers, or at least like music, yet you let the production and distribution of an album get in the way of your opinion of said music. I know that you guys won't actually admit to this and I'll just get bitched out, but whatever. I bet if nobody heard of MCR and you guys found them, you would get drunk and masturbate to them, like you do for Mogwai.

So maybe they have become incredibly popular, and maybe they even sold out to the extent that they wrote music that was likely to sell, but if you ignore all that, ignore the cheesy statements and press releases by the band members, and just listen to the music, they kick serious ass. The emotion in the lyrics is not only strong, it is portrayed in a way that is touching and easy to feel, but not packaged in such a manner that it is painful to listen to. Plus they are not only the heart-throb kind of emo but they also encapsulate an endearing kind of irony and self-derision in their music that is intriguing to study. Their essay on the state of the world is not an unpopular one, but it is what they want to say, and they do so well. Just because they are not a minority doesn't mean they should be ignored.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 11 Jan 2008, 21:37
I'm just going to take this opportunity to express my admiration for Texas is the Reason: Yes.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Alex C on 11 Jan 2008, 21:43
No, we wouldn't get the same kind of stiffies we get for mogwai, and that doesn't make any of us hypocrites.

 I genuinely don't care for MCR, and I -like- shiny production and pop stylings. In fact, I'll go so far to say this: I believe Butch Vig has been a net benefit to my life as a music listener. Try getting your average indie snob to admit to that one. But MCR? They're really not that good. They've got super compressed guitars and standard song structures wedded to cliched music videos, just like practically every other vaguely punk influenced pop rock band that's come out since what seems like the beginning of time now. They're not the worst band I've ever heard by a long shot, but I can't imagine really giving a shit about them either, and calling them a definitive Emo band is hopelessly misguided.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Joseph on 11 Jan 2008, 22:22
WARNING! I AM GAY FOR MCR!


Now, got that out of the way. I would just like to say: Fucking hypocrites. You claim to be music lovers, or at least like music, yet you let the production and distribution of an album get in the way of your opinion of said music. I know that you guys won't actually admit to this and I'll just get bitched out, but whatever. I bet if nobody heard of MCR and you guys found them, you would get drunk and masturbate to them, like you do for Mogwai.

So maybe they have become incredibly popular, and maybe they even sold out to the extent that they wrote music that was likely to sell, but if you ignore all that, ignore the cheesy statements and press releases by the band members, and just listen to the music, they kick serious ass. The emotion in the lyrics is not only strong, it is portrayed in a way that is touching and easy to feel, but not packaged in such a manner that it is painful to listen to. Plus they are not only the heart-throb kind of emo but they also encapsulate an endearing kind of irony and self-derision in their music that is intriguing to study. Their essay on the state of the world is not an unpopular one, but it is what they want to say, and they do so well. Just because they are not a minority doesn't mean they should be ignored.

You're completely right.  I only listen to records that are obscure and are not marketable and do not sell well.

Excuse me while I dispose of the *NSYNC greatest hits album that is within arms reach right now.

(seriously)

(Except not with regards to disposing of it.)
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: doki on 11 Jan 2008, 22:50
WARNING! I AM GAY FOR MCR!


Now, got that out of the way. I would just like to say: Fucking hypocrites. You claim to be music lovers, or at least like music, yet you let the production and distribution of an album get in the way of your opinion of said music. I know that you guys won't actually admit to this and I'll just get bitched out, but whatever. I bet if nobody heard of MCR and you guys found them, you would get drunk and masturbate to them, like you do for Mogwai.

So maybe they have become incredibly popular, and maybe they even sold out to the extent that they wrote music that was likely to sell, but if you ignore all that, ignore the cheesy statements and press releases by the band members, and just listen to the music, they kick serious ass. The emotion in the lyrics is not only strong, it is portrayed in a way that is touching and easy to feel, but not packaged in such a manner that it is painful to listen to. Plus they are not only the heart-throb kind of emo but they also encapsulate an endearing kind of irony and self-derision in their music that is intriguing to study. Their essay on the state of the world is not an unpopular one, but it is what they want to say, and they do so well. Just because they are not a minority doesn't mean they should be ignored.

see, this is totally not my problem with mcr

my problem with MCR is the same as my problem with Mika.  they're trying way too hard to be Queen when really we only need one Queen.  and that Queen was Queen.  I should point out that dispite the fact there probably isn't anyone on the planet that hasn't heard of Queen, they are one of my favorite bands.  the point you make about a band being mainstream not necessarily being bad holds a lot of water, i mean that honestly, but the reason I PERSONALLY do not like MCR is because they are, along with those FUCKS Panic at the Disco, are treading the same ground Queen trod (?) back in the 70's with A Night At the Opera and A Day At The Races, only nowhere near as well
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 11 Jan 2008, 23:01
Exactly.  Queen's musical trademarks are too singular to be any sort of genre conventions.  Any band who tries to cop such tropes will invariably be compared to Queen, and, unless Freddie Mercury is their frontman somehow, invariably come up short.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Nodaisho on 11 Jan 2008, 23:02
No, I wouldn't like MCR if it wasn't popular, most of the bands that I listen to have gotten some popular notice, at some point in time at least, not necessarily recently. I just don't like pseudo-punk music with horribly faked emotions. Or pseudo-punk music with real emotions, now that you mention it. I don't mind faked emotions, as long as they seem real, but I will not abide poor musicianship.

And honestly? Mogwai hasn't really managed to catch my attention for anything other than having a name similar to moogle. Maybe I just haven't heard the right stuff.

@RonBurgundy: If zombie Freddie mercury were heading a band, I would have to go to a show, no matter what kind of music they were playing, just to see it. And be in the back, in case he goes after rains.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: doki on 11 Jan 2008, 23:10
i like gremlins, thats where mogwai comes from
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: jeph on 11 Jan 2008, 23:35
man it freaks me out so bad

back in the day Orchid was one of the house bands at Hampshire when I was there

so weird
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Johnny C on 11 Jan 2008, 23:39
On a regular day I wake up, have a shower, brush my teeth and proceed to have vigourous intercourse with a pressed copy of Despistado's album.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: amok on 12 Jan 2008, 00:13
WARNING! I AM GAY FOR MCR!

should've known it was safe to stop reading here.

Quote
I'm just going to take this opportunity to express my admiration for Texas is the Reason: Yes.

seconded.

what's a good Cap'n Jazz cd to start with, anyone?
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Clintaga on 12 Jan 2008, 00:15
I am extremely okay with this thread and the discussions within this thread. I am also a diehard member of the MCRmy and have been since there first album back in High School. I feel like they're not trying to be Queen, they just have a lot of inspiration from that band.
Also, the truth is that a lot of the Hipsters actually WONT like MCR. Those are generally two comepletely different audiences. Also, anyone who is really into the bands that MCR wishes they sounded like just won't give a fuckl. I personally prefer MCR to Queen, because thats my musical inclination.
I've come to accept that I like a lot of music the majority of trendy music nerds dislike, but you know, the funny thing is that they aren't me, and due to the miracle of Earbuds, they don't have to hear anything they don't like that I'm playing. I also recently began to man up whenever anyone takes potshots at "shitty Music" I like because I support the bands I am pro.

Bands I have lost street cred for defending:
Post Green Album-Weezer
My Chemical Romance
Form of Rocket
Panic! at the Disco.

A great example is my best buddy Onewheelwizzard. He posts on these forums like whoa, and he's totally into Dead Meadow, Om, Do Make Say Think, etc. I dig stoner rock occasionally, but I'm mostly a *gag* "post-Rock" head with a massive Emo-foundation. Please continue the discussion while I write all these band names down.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: amok on 12 Jan 2008, 00:59
maybe we should make a separate thread about 'hipsters' slagging off MCR and the counter-hipster backlash because I liked this one much more when it was about emo bands and going by the title I'd imagine that was wolves' main objective here
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 12 Jan 2008, 01:21
what's a good Cap'n Jazz cd to start with, anyone?

Their 2-disc anthology has everything they ever recorded, I believe.  I have that one.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: TrialAndTerror on 12 Jan 2008, 03:02
Psh, you go to sleep for eight hours and people start arguing about MCR and hipster elitism...

I liked their 1st album whenever it came out, but I gave it away a couple of years ago and don't miss it. I'd never listen to PATD on CD, but when they come on in a club I will damn well be out on the floor. I also hate Queen. I guess people like different stuff for different reasons.

Texas Is The Reason = Awesomeness. Does anyone have their EP? How does it compare to Do You Know Who You Are?

Mineral were fantastic, but considering how much they were "influenced" by Sunny Day, I don't know if calling them influential themselves would be right. Great band though.

Was anyone else seriously gutted that Hot Cross broke up last year?
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: TrialAndTerror on 12 Jan 2008, 04:38
Haha I think in certain situations the testicle-talk can be deserved. Thanks for the welcome, this place seems cooler than many on these here interwebs.

Mmm, I probably prefer Mineral too, heard them first though. Kept being told they were a SDRE ripoff... I can see it, sure, but I like Mineral's style more. Boy's Life! Only have Departures and Landfalls, that is one fantastic record. Shockingly don't have any CFD, think I need to fix that soon.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: calenlass on 12 Jan 2008, 05:14
Guys I kind of like Hawthorne Heights. Do they count?
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: camelpimp on 12 Jan 2008, 07:17
I don't have fond memories of my chemical romance. The bastard left me the next day and never called!

Oh death is not good enough for me.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Catacombs on 12 Jan 2008, 07:43
of course this thread is missing something:  http://www.emogame.com/v3/

also, theres this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGLv3IEL0VI

"kyle gets all the girls!"

Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Chad K. on 12 Jan 2008, 07:52
I think this whole discussion about what is and is not emo (including the MCR posts) is about as emo as it gets.  The problem with the term "emo" is that it went through so many movements it is now unrecognizable as a single form of music.  It's almost laughable how much bands in the 80's and 90's struggled to get away from a term that they felt limited what they could do as band and how they were received by the fans.  (SDRE's proggy near Yes inspired "The Rising Tide," Jimmy Eat World's poppy "Bleed American," Chamberlain's roots rock "My Moon My Saddle" are all perfect examples of bands denying any sense of conventions that the term "emo" may hold over them).  It seems now that bands are clamoring for the moniker because it lends some sort of indie cred to major label bands, thereby potentially selling more cds.

The thing about the term is it has what's normally called "The Family Problem".  In essence, early emo bads may have had qualities AB, while second wave emo bands may have had qualities BC, and a third wave qualities CD.  Now, despite the fact that we use the term emo for all those bands, bands having qualities AB and CD don't have anything in common with one another, they only have something in common with the intervening wave.  That's an oversimplification, but think of it this way- what the hell does Rights of Spring have in common with the Promise Ring?  Very little.  

Title: Re: Emo
Post by: michaelicious on 12 Jan 2008, 08:17
what's a good Cap'n Jazz cd to start with, anyone?

They only had one true full-length (Burritos, Inspiration Point, Fork Balloon Sports, Cards in the Spokes, Automatic Biographies, Kites, Kung Fu, Trophies, Banana Peels We've Slipped on and Egg Shells We've Tippy Toed Over) and it is damn hard to find.

But as ImRonBurgundy? said the two-disc anthology with an equally cumbersome title has all of their recorded material. It is called Analphabetapolothology and I would be happy to upload it in the mediafire thread for you.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: sandman263 on 12 Jan 2008, 08:39
WARNING! I AM GAY FOR MCR!


Now, got that out of the way. I would just like to say: Fucking hypocrites. You claim to be music lovers, or at least like music, yet you let the production and distribution of an album get in the way of your opinion of said music. I know that you guys won't actually admit to this and I'll just get bitched out, but whatever. I bet if nobody heard of MCR and you guys found them, you would get drunk and masturbate to them, like you do for Mogwai.

So maybe they have become incredibly popular, and maybe they even sold out to the extent that they wrote music that was likely to sell, but if you ignore all that, ignore the cheesy statements and press releases by the band members, and just listen to the music, they kick serious ass. The emotion in the lyrics is not only strong, it is portrayed in a way that is touching and easy to feel, but not packaged in such a manner that it is painful to listen to. Plus they are not only the heart-throb kind of emo but they also encapsulate an endearing kind of irony and self-derision in their music that is intriguing to study. Their essay on the state of the world is not an unpopular one, but it is what they want to say, and they do so well. Just because they are not a minority doesn't mean they should be ignored.

Some facts:

Please, if you're going to contribute, would you mind not attacking me for my music tastes, which you know nothing about, and provide something a little more useful than undereducated, childish temper tantrusm?
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Leinad on 12 Jan 2008, 08:54


Excuse me while I dispose of the *NSYNC greatest hits album that is within arms reach right now.


incredibly they are my second favorite band, probably of all time.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: TrialAndTerror on 12 Jan 2008, 08:57
I once spent a good half-hour saying Analphabetapolothology over and over until I could say it perfectly everytime in various voices and ended up trying to make a sort of nursery-rhyme sort of thing out of it. Good times.

Did NSYNC do "Bye Bye Bye"? I've got the Further Seems Forever cover of that and I like it an awful lot...
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: amok on 12 Jan 2008, 09:01
But as ImRonBurgundy? said the two-disc anthology with an equally cumbersome title has all of their recorded material. It is called Analphabetapolothology and I would be happy to upload it in the mediafire thread for you.

that'd be fantastic, thanks!
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Cartilage Head on 12 Jan 2008, 09:27
I am so goddamn mad that you guys are at all comparing MCR to Queen. I am so mad.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: camelpimp on 12 Jan 2008, 09:35
Looking at the track names on Analphabetapolothology I wonder... is a band named after every single Cap'n Jazz song or what?
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Skibas_clavicle on 12 Jan 2008, 09:44
I don't know if they count into what you kids are classifying as 'early emo' but I really dig The Promise Ring.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: sandman263 on 12 Jan 2008, 10:59
I am so goddamn mad that you guys are at all comparing MCR to Queen. I am so mad.

So am I. One was known for their musical diversity, were one of the greatest and most influential bands of the last 30 years (with bands such as Foo Fighters, The Germs, Guns N' Roses, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Manic Street Preachers, Muse,  Radiohead, Smashing Pumpkins all stating they were an influence), and also contributed to arena rock, hard rock,pop rock and progressive rock (amongst many other genres).

The other is a marketing vehicle for trapping consumer dollars.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Jan 2008, 11:05
Looking at the track names on Analphabetapolothology I wonder... is a band named after every single Cap'n Jazz song or what?

Probably.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Clintaga on 12 Jan 2008, 11:46
This part of my Post is about music:

See, I am gonna come clean and say that a lot of the band you guys are talking about is TOTALLY news to me. I have spent the last five years Damn damn sure that I knew what emo was, that the Promise Ring was the best band ever, and that Emo started in the mid-Nineties. My mind isn't just blown, it got blown, came, fell asleep, woke up next to all this new music, and blogged about it. I basically just downloaded every band A pack of Wolves has posted about in his last 15 posts, and and pretty pleased with all the results. I am thrilled that my favorite kind of music isn't as hollow as I'd always secretly feared. There is a really cool book out about Emo it's called Everybody Cries. It's all about what and what isn't Emo, and lists all of the subtypes of Emo. It's pretty cool.

The truth is that I'm pretty young, and I grew up in Upstate NY (Kingston, New Paltz Area) and so my musical library was limited to whatever my friends had. I absolutely Fell in love with emo (As it was portrayed then by Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, and Yellowcard's good album) but had no idea it had started as a different kind of music from the 80's. I mean, I can totally see the resemblance between Moss Icon and Thursday (I listened to their albums back to back and was really surprised actually). It's been said before but I'm fairly certain that the very idea of Genre is awfully executed. Terms like Emo and Indie Rock are just too all encompassing, and doesn't the term "Indie Rock" comepletely defeat the purpose of not sounding like other bands.
Record Exec: "We need a way to organize all these hippies with plaid shirts and weird names into one wholly ironic caste system that literally strips them of every individualistic viewpoint and, if at all possible, is more expensive to the consumer that absolutely necessary."

If I may pose the thread a question: What is it about Emo that gets you? That pulls you in?
Personally, with my primary exposure to Emo being Taking Back Sunday, Thursday, Yellowcard, MCR, etc. (My first CD ever was Weezer's Blue Album, because my dad and Rivers Cuomo were friends and Rivers gave me a signed copy when I was little), I was basically totally enthralled that people out there (in the World) felt as shitty as I did. I was overweight, undertall, absolutely TERRIFIED of girls, and lacking in basically every form of applicable confidence known to man, but when I had my headphones, my CD player was full of songs about getting over the bullshit, or being really angry and yelling about it, or songs about *Gasp* suicide!! oooooh!! As I matured into the social Monarch butterfly I am and realized girls were actually not scary, but exactly as cool as boys but with key differences, the music began to hold much more sign significance, because now the majority of the songs on all my emo albums were about dealing with the Inevitable tsunami of teen-drama/horse shit that people deal with in high school in there relationships, and knowing that there were tons of people out there, who'd been hurt real bad, but had survived and not only that, but gone on to turn their pain and experience into a beautiful song. Weezer's "The World has Turned" was my number one breakup song of all time until i got married, hopefully I won't ever need another break up song again =)

This part of my post is 2cents on the MCR/Queen/Attacking hipsters debacle. If this does not interest you, please skip to the next post =):
There is an awful lot of back and forth about a lot of non discussiony Jank, primarily about attacking hipsters. I'm not, nor have I, nor will I ever, attack hipsters for liking or disliking music, and doing so pre-emptively can only lead to some seriously cold posts in the future. Again, Even if they don't listen to Mogwai and beat it to their heavy riff centric stoner rock tones, they might still hate bands like MCR which is marketed heavily to 14 year olds (Who interestingly enough are the kids most likely to identify with any of the lyrics on their first or 2nd album). All i'm gonna say is "If you have never actually taken the time to sit down and investigate a band yourself, then just don't talk about them." As an avid fan, I am pleased that MCR still gets hell of publicity, because hopefully that means more tours, and regardless of whatever criticisms anyone has about MCR, they put on fucking jaw droppingly awesome live shows.

As for comparing them to Queen, anyone who follows MCR can tell you the band is extremely respectful of the band and they all grew up listening to that glam rock that they are trying so heavily to bring back into the limelight. and Jesus, if you took all the cash that MCR and P!ATD last tours made, it would seem that big overly flashy over produced rock shows are back in full swing. I do not think this is a bad thing.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Jackie Blue on 12 Jan 2008, 11:52
Now, got that out of the way. I would just like to say: Fucking hypocrites. You claim to be music lovers, or at least like music, yet you let the production and distribution of an album get in the way of your opinion of said music. I know that you guys won't actually admit to this

Well, I won't admit it because it's not true.  I like lots of mainstream music.

In other words: You're doing it wrong.

Lurk more.

On topic: Elliott?  Really?  I saw them and June of 44 open for Fugazi like 9 years ago and they were horrible.  June of 44 was not, however.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Chad K. on 12 Jan 2008, 13:26
On topic: Elliott?  Really?  I saw them and June of 44 open for Fugazi like 9 years ago and they were horrible.  June of 44 was not, however.


Yes, really.  "U.S. Songs" is fucking brilliant, but a little too similar to Texas is the Reason.  "False Cathedrals" is also a damn amazing album.  Plus, that band has put on a ridiculously tight show every time I ever saw them.  You can say you don't like the music, but with Kevin Ratterman on drums, you can never call them horrible.  That dude's a god.  If you caught them in their earliest hardcore inception (I hear some members may have been in Endpoint and Falling Forward, but I've never checked) I heard that was not good.  Dig deeper.  They're cool beans.  Nice dudes, too.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: doki on 12 Jan 2008, 13:57
(My first CD ever was Weezer's Blue Album, because my dad and Rivers Cuomo were friends and Rivers gave me a signed copy when I was little),
regardless about what i think of you, you are now some kind of hero to me if only because you know one of my items of worship on an almost personal level.  moving on...


As for comparing them to Queen, anyone who follows MCR can tell you the band is extremely respectful of the band and they all grew up listening to that glam rock that they are trying so heavily to bring back into the limelight. and Jesus, if you took all the cash that MCR and P!ATD last tours made, it would seem that big overly flashy over produced rock shows are back in full swing. I do not think this is a bad thing.
The (my) problem isn't that MCR like Queen.  It's that MCR are trying to BE Queen.  Bands like the Foo Fighters that you mentioned took riff based rock they learned from songs like Tie Your Mother Down and Fat Bottom Girls and produced stuff like Generator and In your Honour.  MCR took Bohemian Rhapsody and came back with Bohemian Rhapsody.  (oh and lets not start on that god awful cover of under pressure).  My point is that even if you spent your childhood with A Night At The Opera playing through headphone surgically attached to your head, there's no excuse for trying to mimick the sound and go around calling yourself an original band who were inspired by Queen when people like Muse, Foo Fighters and Radiohead al have the same credit on thier resume, yet sound nothing like Queen
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Uber Ritter on 12 Jan 2008, 14:08


The Hated - this was the band that took emo out on the road so people who weren't from DC got to hear it (they were from Maryland if I remember right), criminally overlooked these days. All their records are now out of press although I hear Troubleman Unlimited are doing a discog, but that's been supposed to be happening for years so who knows when it'll see the light of day. Very melodic with those classic out of tune vocals used to much in emo, they're probably the early emo band with the greatest distance from hardcore.

Moss Icon - another of the first emo bands from outside DC, Moss Icon ploughed a much more hardcore furrow than The Hated in their later recordings. Some of my favourites though are songs like the compilation track Cornflower Blue which are incredibly vulnerable, sounding like complicated poetry set to music.


I'm pretty sure they're both from Annapolis, which is where I go to school and which as of now has absolutely -no- local music scene.  I've heard grumblings its related to the city basically kicking out the kids as it were, which is makes sense given Annapolis' current status as overgrown marina with attached bar/retirement community.

Two bands that include ex-Orchid members and kind of pick up the torch of crazy postmodern hardcore are Bucket Full of Teeth and Panthers, though Bucket Full of Teeth is definately better, if you ask me.

Also, Neil Perry is a pretty good screamo band, particularly their late material.

By the way, I think it's included in that history of emo that's online somewhere and may have been linked to, but when exactly is the point where emo gets infused with indie rock/slowcore/whatever and stops being synonomous with Emotional Hardcore?  I'm not really into most of the less hardcore 'emo' bands so I don't remember.
-Wilhelm
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Jackie Blue on 12 Jan 2008, 14:11
when exactly is the point where emo gets infused with indie rock/slowcore/whatever and stops being synonomous with Emotional Hardcore?

Weezer.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: TrialAndTerror on 12 Jan 2008, 14:28
Oh god Elliott are so good. False Cathedrals, 5* album. By Song In The Air, you couldn't really call them emo, but it's still great. Just all round good band. Never seem them live though so don't know how that goes.

Also, as far as I was aware, Falling Forward was Elliott, just with a different sound and less gorgeous vocals.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Spinless on 12 Jan 2008, 14:40
No mention of Cursive's first three (flawless) albums.
I am on my way to murder you guyses in your sleep!
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: michaelicious on 12 Jan 2008, 15:41
We were saving them for you.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 12 Jan 2008, 18:52
I'm pretty sure they're both from Annapolis, which is where I go to school and which as of now has absolutely -no- local music scene.  I've heard grumblings its related to the city basically kicking out the kids as it were, which is makes sense given Annapolis' current status as overgrown marina with attached bar/retirement community.

Two bands that include ex-Orchid members and kind of pick up the torch of crazy postmodern hardcore are Bucket Full of Teeth and Panthers, though Bucket Full of Teeth is definately better, if you ask me.

Also, Neil Perry is a pretty good screamo band, particularly their late material.

By the way, I think it's included in that history of emo that's online somewhere and may have been linked to, but when exactly is the point where emo gets infused with indie rock/slowcore/whatever and stops being synonomous with Emotional Hardcore?  I'm not really into most of the less hardcore 'emo' bands so I don't remember.
-Wilhelm

Bucket Full Of Teeth are incredible, I love that one-sided 12". Really wish I'd picked up the 7"es back when they were released too, I totally slept on that one. Panthers I always found very weak, they didn't even grab me live. Neil Perry I've never investigated too much, I really liked that split with A Days Refrain though. Catchy stuff.

The mix between emo and indie? Well, you could say it began with Rites of Spring really, but the problem basically began with all the midwest sound. Texas Is The Reason, Braid, Jimmy Eat World (to be honest, I thought they were terrible even with their early stuff when they supported every emo band that came through town) and all that. You kind of had that split between the bands who went more polished and pop and those that went into screamo choas. Both produced some great material, but the more polished stuff lead to things like Dashboard Confessional. Perhaps unsurprisingly my heart lies with the likes of Swing Kids and Mohinder though, so that might not be the best synopsis.

Quote from: Clintaga
If I may pose the thread a question: What is it about Emo that gets you? That pulls you in?

Good question. For a start, there's the politics. I like DIY not just a system of making music but also as a general approach to the world much like a lot of emo bands, so when bands start screaming about Foucault or police brutality I'm right there with them. I also really like the idea of music that can be made by anyone, where technical ability is irrelevant and it's all about having good ideas, something you want to say. A real democratisation of music I suppose, and emo definitely delivers that for me. Then there's the simple fact that I enjoy heavy, aggressive music but am not at all macho which describes a lot of emo music.

Was anyone else seriously gutted that Hot Cross broke up last year?

Honestly, no. They were pretty bad when I saw them on their last tour. Don't get me wrong, I really like Cryonics but they were no longer able to pull it off live and their material after that was very so-so. Much like the demise of JR Ewing, it was time to go. Back when JR Ewing released The Perfect Drama they were on the top of their game but then Humanfly came along and with their mini-cd basically out-JR Ewinged JR Ewing. Then there was the best forgotten period when they tried to go all pop and weren't very good at it. I'm happy to spin the good records and remember back when they could still kick arse.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: TrialAndTerror on 12 Jan 2008, 19:33
Really? Hmmm, I guess I was mostly bummed because I never saw them live and I think they were supposed to be coming to Europe sometime soon, then split. If they weren't up to scratch though, maybe it's for the best. No point dragging it out. Wish I'd seen them once though. Bah.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: michaelicious on 12 Jan 2008, 19:41
They were probably bad because one of their guitarists left and I'm not sure if they replaced him. But yeah, Risk Revival was a pretty bad record compared to their earlier efforts which were so promising.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 12 Jan 2008, 20:10
Yeah, the lack of second guitar was a large part of it. But the way they compensated seemed to be to just thrash everything out, and although I love music played that way it meant they blurred out all the crispness which was most of the point of Hot Cross in the first place. Without that you ended up with some distinctly average punk songs. A shame, particularly since I found myself staring at them and thinking 'you were in Saetia?' and not wanting to listen to Cryonics for quite a while afterwards.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Uber Ritter on 13 Jan 2008, 07:52
I was able to get the Bucket Full of teeth 7"s on ebay for not that much.  Maybe 15 dollars for all of them over a couple of auctions?
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: valley_parade on 13 Jan 2008, 09:18
WARNING! I AM GAY FOR MCR!

Nah dude. I saw them live before, when they opened for Green Day.

And they fucking sucked. That's why I piss on them.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: blanktom on 13 Jan 2008, 10:19
i've been into 2nd wave emo since high school and just sort of followed most of my favourite bands members through their various projects.

mineral have always been a huge love of mine, gloria record are ok but dont come quite close. but being from the uk i've not had as much exposure and access to these bands as most of you guys have, so this thread had more helped me discovered some great bands than it has informed me about the genre itself (not that i needed informing).

does anyone have any elliott they fancy uploading for me? plus any other recommendations in that vein or the vein of bands like mineral, i hate myself (i've never been sure how serious these guys were), appleseed cast and such like.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Inanimated on 13 Jan 2008, 10:24
Orchid is a favorite among some of my friends. I have the Dance tonight/chaos is me CD and like parts of it. I thought it was worth it to get both albums. Orchid's probably not my favorite whatever-core/emo violence/etc band though. That would probably be Jerome's Dream.

They did a bunch of split eps, one with orchid actually, and one full album I think. It's all collected on "Completed 1997-2001"

For the early stuff the guitarist has a ridiculous high-pitched scream that they recorded by leaving a mike on the floor while playing. I don't mean farm animal squealing-just a really bizarre shriek. I love it, a lot of people hate it. For their later stuff though, the singer decided he'd coughed up enough blood I guess-and started using a weird megaphone kinda sounding effect. They relied on feedback for a lot of songs, and I think it works. coupled with heavy as fuck bass and hectic drumming. Most of their songs were recorded with Kurt Ballou, if that means anything to anyone besides me.

yeah. I'm a fan of it-if the poorly written bio up there didn't clue you in. Also-these might have already been mentioned, in which case I'll second them-City of Caterpillar, Circle takes the Square.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Johnny C on 13 Jan 2008, 11:06
I am so goddamn mad that you guys are at all comparing MCR to Queen. I am so mad.

Have you listened to the new MCR album?

There are a good dozen posts on this board in which I claim to like My Chemical Romance. That was when they dressed like this:

(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4306/mychemicalromanceband20dk1.jpg)

A little cringe-worthy but somehow campy. Dig the Maiden shirt!

Now they dress like this:

(http://onthecouch.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/my_chemical_romance-large-msg-115743976367.jpg)
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: imapiratearg on 13 Jan 2008, 11:15
Gerard just needs a big moustache, and he will look even more like a Freddie Mercury wannabe.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: sean on 13 Jan 2008, 11:24
Oh dear god that picture is horrifying.

. A shame, particularly since I found myself staring at them and thinking 'you were in Saetia?' and not wanting to listen to Cryonics for quite a while afterwards.

Yeah, I'd have to agree, Billy's vocals in Hot Cross have nothing on his Vocals in Saetia.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: öde on 13 Jan 2008, 11:30
There are a good dozen posts on this board in which I claim to like My Chemical Romance. That was when they dressed like this:

I heard a few seconds of an old MCR song and it sounded quite fun.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Alex C on 13 Jan 2008, 12:59
I don't think there's anything wrong with MCR, per se, it's just that the whole MCR fan experience is quite frankly bewildering to me. It's like if someone ran you down and proceeded to describe a Domino's pizza in the same glowing terms a Pentecostal minister would describe Christ's ascenscion. Either you're preaching to the converted or else there's bound to be some skepticism. Apparently this forum has some skeptics.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Lines on 13 Jan 2008, 13:18
Now, got that out of the way. I would just like to say: Fucking hypocrites. You claim to be music lovers, or at least like music, yet you let the production and distribution of an album get in the way of your opinion of said music. I know that you guys won't actually admit to this and I'll just get bitched out, but whatever. I bet if nobody heard of MCR and you guys found them, you would get drunk and masturbate to them, like you do for Mogwai.

Huh? I am a music lover, but production has nothing to do with my enjoyment, as I enjoy the diversity of it. Distribution also doesn't bother me until the band tries too hard. I also don't listen to Mogwai. I have heard one song by MCR and while I thought it was catchy, it wasn't enough to make me want to look into them more and buy an album. Not saying catchy is bad, because it's not, it was just lacking whatever it is I like about the music I listen to. Everyone's free to listen to what they want, but calling all of us hypocrites and basically stereotyping the entire forum based on what some of the members like isn't really necessary.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 13 Jan 2008, 13:40
does anyone have any elliott they fancy uploading for me? plus any other recommendations in that vein or the vein of bands like mineral, i hate myself (i've never been sure how serious these guys were), appleseed cast and such like.

Have you heard the I Hate Myself split with Twelve Hour Turn? Since you're from the UK Bob Tilton and Spy Versus Spy are probably the biggest hitters from this side of the pond, I recommend checking them out. You're probably best off downloading Bob Tilton though since I'm pretty sure all their records are out of press. Christie Front Drive and Braid could well be worth a look for you as well. I can't help with the Elliott I'm afraid, I think I've got one of their albums somewhere but it's pretty bad, somebody told me it was not from their best period.

Actually, I just put Dark Days Coming by Three on and I'm slightly tempted to recommend you just get that if you haven't already instead of anything else I've recommended purely on the grounds that it's absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Nodaisho on 13 Jan 2008, 16:59
@Johnny: I am pretty sure I see Snaggletooth peeking out from under a sweatshirt on the top picture too.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: EncyclopediaBrown on 13 Jan 2008, 20:02
Woo. I actually just found my old case of albums and cds at my parents house over the holidays.

Sleepytime Trio, You & I, and City of Caterpillar are being uploaded onto my MP3 player as I type this. I haven't heard this shit in years.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: pinkpiche on 13 Jan 2008, 23:44
Anyone know what happened to The Corta Vita? Or Kite-Flying Society?
I really liked those bands.. So overly emotional it hurts.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: TrialAndTerror on 14 Jan 2008, 02:42
does anyone have any elliott they fancy uploading for me? plus any other recommendations in that vein or the vein of bands like mineral, i hate myself (i've never been sure how serious these guys were), appleseed cast and such like.

I'm putting up False Cathedrals now.

I'm pretty sure I Hate Myself were supposed to be at least light-heartedly ripping on all the overwrought "oh god girls make my life so depressing at least I have poetry" tendencies of many bands. Also they had that song about Dragonball where he screams KAAAAAMEHAAAAAAMEHAAAAAAAAA at the end. Still great band though.

 
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: meticulous on 14 Jan 2008, 02:57
i would have to say i do like a bit of Engine Down when it comes to emo.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: blanktom on 14 Jan 2008, 03:25
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Have you heard the I Hate Myself split with Twelve Hour Turn? Since you're from the UK Bob Tilton and Spy Versus Spy are probably the biggest hitters from this side of the pond, I recommend checking them out


I have the I Hate Myself split but I dont like it as much as the album I have...10 songs?

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Christie Front Drive and Braid could well be worth a look for you as well

I'm a big fan of both these bands and have quite a lot by Christie Front Drive (an Anthology album and their self titled one, plus their split with Boys Life) and Braid, I love the few songs I have from Frame & Canvas, Age of Octeen is ok and the 2 volumes of Movie Music is good just for the Smiths covers.

Cheers for the recommendations!

(Edit) I just looked and realised that I got all of these albums from a torrent that's been circling for a while on most websites called '90's emo' and then lists a load of bands. Its actually not that bad except it has Joan of Arc who arent really what I'd call emo, even if they stem from that scene. It does have everything Pop Unknown did though, and A Retrospective by Saetia (although I've never really given that a good listen, I will now).

http://www.mininova.org/tor/708977 (http://www.mininova.org/tor/708977) There's the link if anybody is interested, its not seeded too well atm.

Title: Re: Emo
Post by: ImRonBurgundy? on 14 Jan 2008, 04:44
Also they had that song about Dragonball where he screams KAAAAAMEHAAAAAAMEHAAAAAAAAA at the end.

I completely lost my shit at that point the first time I listened to that song.

I don't know if they're "emo" per se, but I really dig Small Brown Bike.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: pinkpiche on 14 Jan 2008, 06:16
I've never been sure of I Hate Myself either.. I like that though. I Would
Set Myself On Fire For You and I Wrote Haiku's About Cannibalism In Your Yearbook
are great examples of that kind of in-the-scene sarcasm.

Btw some modern emo/screamo recommendations:
Maladie, Tristan Tzara, Cease Upon The Capitol, Bucket Full of Teeth,
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Chad K. on 14 Jan 2008, 06:58

By the way, I think it's included in that history of emo that's online somewhere and may have been linked to, but when exactly is the point where emo gets infused with indie rock/slowcore/whatever and stops being synonomous with Emotional Hardcore?  I'm not really into most of the less hardcore 'emo' bands so I don't remember.
-Wilhelm

Most people go with Sunny Day Real Estate's release of "Diary".   
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: jeph on 14 Jan 2008, 15:54
I *just* figured out that MCR stands for My Chemical Romance.

God what a fucking awful band.

On a more positive bent, Nothing Feels Good is the Promise Ring's best album and basically my favorite emo-ish thing ever recorded.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: jeph on 14 Jan 2008, 15:57
plus any other recommendations in that vein or the vein of bands like mineral, i hate myself (i've never been sure how serious these guys were), appleseed cast and such like.

If you like Mineral and Appleseed cast you will probably really really love Braid and Engine Down.

And then if you like THOSE bands you will probably really like Minus the Bear.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: De_El on 14 Jan 2008, 16:46
I've always been curious about Mineral, but I never see them in any record store I go too, and I lack just enough curiosity to go and buy an album from amazon or something.  On the other hand, I'm really happy this thread reminded me that Orchid existed.  Ebullition wants $100 worth of stuff purchased before they'll send you anything, so I bought Chaos is Me/Dance Tonight from some bloke on ebay.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Leinad on 14 Jan 2008, 17:09


Lurk more.




only if you put out more.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Chad K. on 14 Jan 2008, 17:50
plus any other recommendations in that vein or the vein of bands like mineral, i hate myself (i've never been sure how serious these guys were), appleseed cast and such like.

If you like Mineral and Appleseed cast you will probably really really love Braid and Engine Down.

And then if you like THOSE bands you will probably really like Minus the Bear.

And if you find you do like Braid and Engine Down (both great bands) then you may also like Hey Mercedes and Denali, the subsequent incarnations of each band, respectively.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: jeph on 14 Jan 2008, 18:18
I'm pretty sure my band opened for Denali back in college. Also didn't they break up like last year or something?

They're a bit whiny for my taste, but then again I don't really listen to any of the bands I just mentioned anymore anyway.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Chad K. on 14 Jan 2008, 19:16
I opened for Denali once, too.  They did break up (as did Hey Mercedes).  It's more atmospheric music with female vocals.  Good stuff overall.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: SevenPinkerton on 14 Jan 2008, 19:51
One of my largest problems with comparing music is the assumption that because one has similar elements to a certain artist, they are trying to be like them when you don't like the band, yet are merely influenced by them when you do like the band.

For example, someone earlier said Mika is trying to be like Queen. This is of course based purely on the fact that there are similar elements involved in the music and because the media is hyping him as the next Freddie Mercury and is a complete assumption. (While there are several interviews in which Mika admits surprise and bashfulness at him being compared to someone as good as Queen.) Media ravings does not equal reality, folks.

Yet, look at the first list of early-emo bands. Many are incredibly similar. Heck, many "hipster-approved" bands are quite similar to the point of hilarity. Are they trying to be like each other or one similar influence, or what? Either way, it's all complete assumption. And as we all know, assumptions make us all look like idiots.

also, Sunny Day Real Estate is probably my favorite band of all time. If you haven't given them a listen, I highly recommend it.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Joseph on 14 Jan 2008, 20:40
The fact that Mika's big single involved lines about wanting to be like Freddie Mercury may have added to it.  Doesn't make him any less dreadful though.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: KharBevNor on 15 Jan 2008, 06:20

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I'm just going to take this opportunity to express my admiration for Texas is the Reason: Yes.

seconded.

Is their name from the Misfits song 'Bullet'? If so, awesome.

TEXAS IS AN OUTRAGE WHEN YOUR HUSBAND IS DEAD
TEXAS IS AN OUTRAGE WHEN THEY PICK UP HIS HEAD
TEXAS IS THE REASON...THAT THE PRESIDENTS DEAD!

Actually 'Texas is an Outrage' might have been a better name.

I saw MCR live on their first European tour. BEFORE THEY WERE FAMOUS OMG. It was so long ago, they were actually wearing normal clothes on stage. I also saw Bullet For My Valentine back when they only had one EP and played support slots. Then, I stopped going to a gig every week just for the hell of it. Actually, My Chemical Romances first album, though in ways hopelessly formulaic,  but it was also interesting, especially when I was 14/15. They had reasonably interesting lyrics, some nice riffs and hooks, and I think genuine emotional content. I remember at the gig, Gerard Way was all like D: as he was singing.

Then they did that 'I'm Not OK (I Promise)' song. And that's why I never had an assymetric fringe. Man, MCR have gotta be one of the fastest sellouts ever.

Also, fucking hell, Mika. When I was working in a kitchen over the summer, that fucking 'Big Girls' song was all over the radio. Man, not only is Mika OBVIOUSLY GAY but that song, doubtless meant as a sop to his coterie of fag hags, is one of the most objectifying and sexist songs I have heard for ages. Empowering fat women it ain't.

Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Chad K. on 15 Jan 2008, 06:35

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I'm just going to take this opportunity to express my admiration for Texas is the Reason: Yes.

seconded.

Is their name from the Misfits song 'Bullet'? If so, awesome.

TEXAS IS AN OUTRAGE WHEN YOUR HUSBAND IS DEAD
TEXAS IS AN OUTRAGE WHEN THEY PICK UP HIS HEAD
TEXAS IS THE REASON...THAT THE PRESIDENTS DEAD!

Actually 'Texas is an Outrage' might have been a better name.

I saw MCR live on their first European tour. BEFORE THEY WERE FAMOUS OMG. It was so long ago, they were actually wearing normal clothes on stage. I also saw Bullet For My Valentine back when they only had one EP and played support slots. Then, I stopped going to a gig every week just for the hell of it. Actually, My Chemical Romances first album, though in ways hopelessly formulaic,  but it was also interesting, especially when I was 14/15. They had reasonably interesting lyrics, some nice riffs and hooks, and I think genuine emotional content. I remember at the gig, Gerard Way was all like D: as he was singing.

Then they did that 'I'm Not OK (I Promise)' song. And that's why I never had an assymetric fringe. Man, MCR have gotta be one of the fastest sellouts ever.



Yep.  Several songson their album are about their belief that Texas Democrats, possibly working on behalf of LBJ, arranged to have Kennedy shot so LBJ would become president.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Spinless on 15 Jan 2008, 08:29
A few tracks contained references to those beliefs, yes. But that's not what any of them are about. None of the songs on the album, the split, or to my best recollection, the EP were about the theory at all. Even the most obviously named tracks, such as 'Back and to the Left' were about deeply personal events in the band member's lives, the latter being about leaving New York.
I hope I'm not coming across as a pedant, but I keep seeing people refer to the record as a concept album, something which it is not. Some song titles are references to a conspiracy theory, that is all.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: SevenPinkerton on 15 Jan 2008, 08:51
The fact that Mika's big single involved lines about wanting to be like Freddie Mercury may have added to it.  Doesn't make him any less dreadful though.

And if you listened to the rest of the lyrics the entire song is about how record companies are asking him to "be like" someone else to sell records. But yeah, for random listening I'm sure that fueled the media frenzy around him. I hate it when hype prevents people from listening to artists.


I adore Mika. It's rare to find an artist these days that can actually sing and not just talk or ramble or cry. This world needs more falsetto.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Jan 2008, 08:54
It's also nice when artists move away from traditionally singing and use spoken verse, or whatever it's called, in place of singing.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Joseph on 15 Jan 2008, 09:33
I hate it when hype prevents people from listening to artists.

Hype has not prevented me from listening to Mika.  Back before he was hugely hyped, a friend of mine played Grace Kelley for me and I couldn't stand it.  Other friends kept trying the same.  Soon, the song became unavoidable.  I wish I was able to prevent myself from listening to it.

And if you want falsetto, I highly recommend checking out Shudder To Think.  Which pulls us back to the actual topic of this thread, since I do believe they could well be counted as an Emo band.  They are rather amazingly wonderful.  One of the best band Dischord released records by.  I highly recommend Get Your Goat and Pony Express Record.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 15 Jan 2008, 09:42
I really can't stand Shudder To Think, I've always thought of them as the worst thing ever to appear on Dischord. I've never understood why people find them so powerful, they always come across like some terrible 90s 'alternative' band to me.

I've just thrown on the Angel Hair discography Pregnant With The Senior Class. My word, I'd forgotten just how amazing this record is. The dense, thick riffing coupled with those on-the-edge vocals where you can almost hear the blood coming up as he rips his voice to shreds really works. I can hear so much of this band in countless people doing the rounds these days, not just screamo bands but all of those groups playing metal like they're on Hydrahead frequently end up sounding like a less urgent and compelling version of this.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: SevenPinkerton on 15 Jan 2008, 10:06
Dark Flame, I didn't mean you specifically. I have successfully convinced a few friends to give the guy a try after they were convinced he was some over hyped pop star and nothing more. He might be an over hyped pop star right now, but he has talent. The guy can frickin' sing up a storm (well, the storm would have a lot of rainbows and dancing women)!
Mika seems to be a hit or miss with folks. Right now, he is my happy music.

I'll check out Shudder to Think, thanks for the recommendation.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: blanktom on 15 Jan 2008, 11:08
dagnabit!

it really is totally impossible to find some of these bands on torrent websites. whoever it was that recommended minus the bear to me gets kudos, i already like them!

does anybody have any hey mercedes they can upload? i would honestly buy this stuff except i dont have the money, i am but a student.

thanks for all the recommendations anyway.

is anyone into any british bands that they would class as emo? i dont really think there are many, i love Hundred Reasons but theyre in the more screamo/post-hardcore section.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Jackie Blue on 15 Jan 2008, 12:35
They had an entirely original sound around the time of Pony Express Record.

It doesn't sound like any other band I can think of.

Yes, they discovered an entirely original way to suck.  GG, Shudder to Think!
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 15 Jan 2008, 13:55
is anyone into any british bands that they would class as emo? i dont really think there are many, i love Hundred Reasons but theyre in the more screamo/post-hardcore section.

There's been quite a few over the years but we've never had the numbers to come out of the US. I still slisten to Bob Tilton, Spy Versus Spy, Jupiter Lander and Baby Harp Seal on a regular basis and there have been a lot of others I still have plenty of time for. There are a fair few bands still active now though, like Carraway, Shittalker, Mock Heroic (I think they're still together anyway, not seen them do anything in forever though), Kids Return, Feint and What Price Wonderland? (just gone on hiatus but they're insisting it's actually a proper hiatus and not one of those lame break-ups where they just don't admit it).
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Jackie Blue on 15 Jan 2008, 13:57
Pony Express Record is a really neat album.

If only for the weirdo guitar parts.

If weirdo guitar parts are a reason to call an album good, that would imply that Frank Zappa is worth listening to.

Oh yeah, I went there.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: bbqrocks on 15 Jan 2008, 13:59
The fact that Mika's big single involved lines about wanting to be like Freddie Mercury may have added to it.  Doesn't make him any less dreadful though.

And if you listened to the rest of the lyrics the entire song is about how record companies are asking him to "be like" someone else to sell records. But yeah, for random listening I'm sure that fueled the media frenzy around him. I hate it when hype prevents people from listening to artists.


I adore Mika. It's rare to find an artist these days that can actually sing and not just talk or ramble or cry. This world needs more falsetto.

I honestly did not expect to find another Mika fan on this forum. Although, IMO, the worst songs are 'grace kelly', 'Lollipop',  'big girl', and 'love today'. 'Relax,' and 'stuck in the middle' are absolutely awesome though.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 15 Jan 2008, 14:09
They had an entirely original sound around the time of Pony Express Record.

It doesn't sound like any other band I can think of.

I'm terrible with the chronology of a lot of music unless I was listening to a band at the time which isn't the case with Shudder To Think, so I'm perfectly willing to believe they stood apart when that came out. However, listening to a song like X-French T-Shirt (the only one I'm really familiar with on Pony Express Record) to me it sounds like an average rock song which would appear on MTV in the nineties. I can't think of any examples of specific other bands since that's not really a sound I was ever into so it might not be a good comparison at all, but it's nonetheless the connotations it has in my head.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: De_El on 15 Jan 2008, 14:15
If weirdo guitar parts are a reason to call an album good, that would imply that Frank Zappa is worth listening to.

Oh yeah, I went there.
Is this when I threaten to cut you? And stab you and such, with various sharp implements? I'm not yet totally familiar with the customs of this forum.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Jackie Blue on 15 Jan 2008, 14:24
I'm a big fan of tipping sacred cows, what can I say.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: imapiratearg on 15 Jan 2008, 15:36
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I kind of like Zappa.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Jackie Blue on 15 Jan 2008, 15:39
Eh, I don't mind people who "kind of" like Zappa.  While I think that Zoogz Rift and Captain Beefheart basically did everything he did, only much better, I don't think Zappa is really horrible.  But God do I hate his fans who talk about how he was a "genius".
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Chad K. on 15 Jan 2008, 16:42
Eh, I don't mind people who "kind of" like Zappa.  While I think that Zoogz Rift and Captain Beefheart basically did everything he did, only much better, I don't think Zappa is really horrible.  But God do I hate his fans who talk about how he was a "genius".


FACT- Frank Zappa is a genius.  He could and did write in ANY style he chose in a virtuoustic fashion- from  classical to jazz to radio jingle.  The intracacies of his portions of compositions for percussion (specifically tympani, vibes and xylophone) are pretty much unparalleled.  And the complexity of the rest of his non-percussive compositions are also capable of being incredibly complex.

FACT- Frank Zappa's musical genius in no way makes him listenable.  It's sort of a "Wow! It's so cool you can do that; now please stop" kind of a thing.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Jackie Blue on 15 Jan 2008, 16:51
Well, yeah.  Steve Vai is technically a fantastic guitar player but that in no way means I ever want to listen to him, ever.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: De_El on 15 Jan 2008, 17:23
I must confess that I probably have the Halo 2 theme with Steve Vai guitar-playing somewhere on my computer. But that is an unrelated problem.
Also, a lot of your posts are made better by imagining a little speech bubble by Bob's head that says "Zing!"
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: SevenPinkerton on 15 Jan 2008, 19:46
bbq rocks, I agree, Grace Kelly is definitely not the best of Mika's songs. For some reason, that always seems to be the way with singles, unfortunately.

It's really fun to watch grown men karaoke it, though.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 15 Jan 2008, 20:04
Singles are seldom representative of records at large. Nathan Larson has a really interesting technique. I also like the way this record sounds. It's clearly reasonably high production but it still sounds really off kilter. It's hard to explain I guess. It's a singular album you have to spend quite a lot of time with. I like this song called 'Gang of $' (http://www.box.net/shared/wqri56p5w4). From a compositional perspective I think it's quite distinct. The instruments are all independent of each other rather than following one specific chord pattern. I like the way no particular instrument is carrying the song. I know Gang of Four and Mission of Burma were doing this a long time before but STT were a different kettle of fish because they were distinctly un-funky. The tempo is a lot slower than most Post-Punk bands.

Incidentally, the first Shudder to Think record is very different. It's much like Rites of Spring crossed with early REM. I would have thought anyone who was into Emo could dig that one.

You're right about singles not being representative, that almost sounds like a different band to the one who made X-French T-Shirt. I looked them up on youtube as well and found a video for Red House which had the same effect on me as X-French T-Shirt but I did also find one for Hit Liquor which was much more similar to Gang of $. Both of those songs were much more interesting than the others I'd heard and I could see a lot of routes from that to a lot of bands I like a whole lot, like the Dismemberment Plan. It still didn't thrill me but there is something there, I'm starting to think it might be worthwhile to get a copy of Pony Express if only to get a handle on how it connects to other things.

I never heard the first album. I've got that Funeral At The Movies/Ten Spot cd but it never did a lot for me, it has been years since I played it though. The way you describe it that might be worth my time as well, that could just as well be someone talking about The Hated and I really like that band.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: valley_parade on 16 Jan 2008, 07:22
Kite-Flying Society

I would listen to this band on name alone.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 16 Jan 2008, 09:40
Don't force yourself if you don't like them. It's not that great an album.

I assume you're already familiar with Jawbox? When they moved to a major, they made two of their best records.

It's always interesting to get a handle on how music develops though, and I can see now how Shudder To Think have been influential on a lot of bands I like. Besides, my taste isn't very static. I absolutely despised Hate by the Delgados for years, I'd give it a spin every now and then because I loved their earlier material and kept thinking I'd maybe see something in it. I was right, after something daft like five years it completely clicked with me. So just because I don't like it now doesn't mean it isn't worth giving it a shot. Besides, they were on Dischord. The only other band on that label I can think of that I actually dislike is Hoover.

I always found the vocal delivery in Jawbox really interesting. There's something about the way he uses his voice which makes it very much part of the choppy rhythms, like another instrument, but without sacrificing anything lyrically or in terms of the ability to understand what he's singing like many vocalists do.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 16 Jan 2008, 10:47
I love basically all the early hardcore stuff and I own a Dag Nasty t-shirt. Admittedly they were just Brian Baker trying to cash in on emo but hell, at least when he was being a dick for some reason he still wrote some good music. The rest of those bands somewhat passed me by, much like Hoover would have done. But then they reformed, toured and I got to see one of the most disappointing gigs I've ever been to this side of Q And Not U. French Toast were a bit of a letdown as well. I'm with you on The Evens though, and my feelings about Black Eyes are probably quite obvious.

As for consistent labels, Ebullition has always impressed me. They've kept very true to their take on DIY and politics (which I've respected even when I completely disagreed) and released very little bad music. Admittedly they started up around fifteen years ago (I think) and have been much less active over the past few years whereas Dischord kept up a pretty busy release schedule and has been around far longer, but I still think they're pretty impressive. SuperFi is a much more recent label that's hugely impressed me over the past few years. A busy release schedule, they work with well-known international acts like Melt-Banana and Boris as well as obscure UK screamo bands like Mock Heroic, the packaging is always well-designed but varied and they just release what they're interested in regardless of genre, so long as it's all done DIY. I literally cannot think of a single bad record they've done.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Johnny C on 16 Jan 2008, 11:14
Start backpedaling, Tommy. That puts the ratio of good shows to bad at a mere 3:1.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 16 Jan 2008, 11:31
Q And Not U are the most disappointing band I've ever seen in my life. I was never their hugest fan but I liked No Kill No Beep Beep well enough (like everyone else in the world) and I reckoned they'd probably be much better live anyway. I think this was around the release of the second record which I didn't like so much as No Kill No Beep Beep but still, it was alright. Curiously enough they weren't just going through the motions as sometimes happens with bands (everybody has their off nights, particularly if they're doing an international tour), they were making an effort but they just came across as flat and lifeless. There was something strangely joyless about that band, at least that night. I've not listened to their records much since.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Chad K. on 16 Jan 2008, 13:53

I assume you're already familiar with Jawbox? When they moved to a major, they made two of their best records.

Listen to the man.  This band is superb. Also, check out Shiner.  Ooh, and Mock Orange's albums "9's and 6's".
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Norsefisherman on 22 Apr 2008, 08:39
Hey so I think it's great that here people can talk about emo, but I'm so very tired of rooting through the mediafire thread to find the posts of emo music. Can we please either put mediafire links on this thread or put quotes from the mediafire thread in this thread. (I'll do some of it if no-one else takes the initiative) (also I'll add some of my own since I've uploaded some of my record collection which is primarily screamo: Alot of orchid, pg. 99, reversal of man, palatka, The End of the Century Party and more)
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: blanktom on 22 Apr 2008, 09:07
holy crap man did you even read the rules on necro-posting
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: pinkpiche on 22 Apr 2008, 09:57
Well this is good. Emo is good. Thread is good.

I've spent the day listening to Lyburnum by Moss icon, hoping that someday I can write as brilliantly as they did.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Thrillho on 22 Apr 2008, 10:56
I am going to continue my uneven policy as far as neco-posting by saying this:

I've recently got into the music of Rival Schools and Glassjaw, and have become somewhat obsessed. I like Glassjaw so much at this point that I think I'm listening to each of their albums front-to-back, every day, and have done for the last three weeks. It's not entirely healthy.

I also don't care if this doesn't count as the 'emo' either side of the argument are referring to, call it post-hardcore or screamo, or whatever - although admittedly the second Glassjaw album is a bit more metal than most emo tends to get.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 22 Apr 2008, 11:58
Hey so I think it's great that here people can talk about emo, but I'm so very tired of rooting through the mediaf!re thread to find the posts of emo music. Can we please either put mediaf!re links on this thread or put quotes from the mediaf!re thread in this thread. (I'll do some of it if no-one else takes the initiative) (also I'll add some of my own since I've uploaded some of my record collection which is primarily screamo: Alot of orchid, pg. 99, reversal of man, palatka, The End of the Century Party and more)

Thing is, this thread is old. I can't bothered to go through the mediafire thread and find all my emo posts to link them here. You can just search within the mediafire thread for band names or emo/screamo/hardcore and you should get what you're wanting.

I'm glad this thread's back though, since I do love the emo. And there is some odd news, Envy are to release a split LP with Thursday. I did not see that one coming. Hell, I didn't even realise Thursday were still doing the rounds.

In other news, the terribly monikered but really excellent Violent Breakfast are touring the UK and hopefully the Feint tape will be out soonish. Well excited about that.

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I've spent the day listening to Lyburnum by Moss icon, hoping that someday I can write as brilliantly as they did.

I too have this dream. I think I might make it my mission this summer to get a new emo band on the go, I really miss playing this music.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: 20 jazz funk greats on 22 Apr 2008, 12:07

I've just thrown on the Angel Hair discography Pregnant With The Senior Class. My word, I'd forgotten just how amazing this record is. The dense, thick riffing coupled with those on-the-edge vocals where you can almost hear the blood coming up as he rips his voice to shreds really works.

have you listened to swing kids?
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 22 Apr 2008, 12:15
I love Swing Kids. The discography is devastating, a pretty much perfect example of the style. They do the best Joy Division cover I've ever heard as well, I actually prefer their take on Warsaw to the original.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: 20 jazz funk greats on 22 Apr 2008, 12:21
agree completely.
i think they're my favorite emo band ever.

this thread needs more swing kids love and less debating about mcr.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: pinkpiche on 22 Apr 2008, 12:22
And there is some odd news, Envy are to release a split LP with Thursday. I did not see that one coming. Hell, I didn't even realise Thursday were still doing the rounds.

In other news, the terribly monikered but really excellent Violent Breakfast are touring the UK and hopefully the Feint tape will be out soonish. Well excited about that.

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I've spent the day listening to Lyburnum by Moss icon, hoping that someday I can write as brilliantly as they did.

I too have this dream. I think I might make it my mission this summer to get a new emo band on the go, I really miss playing this music.

Totally ODD news, I still can't get my head quite around it, but since Envy is getting exceedingly softer it had to happen sometime I guess. Thursday aren't bad, the singer is just a little too much for my taste. And definitely not emo.. Haha.

You should. It's great to be a part of the scene again..

In other news everybody on this forum who likes Envy and post-rockish stuff in general should start listening to Cease Upon the Capitol. Now.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 22 Apr 2008, 13:15
I really should, I miss playing gigs and that's the style my vocals are best suited to (in other words, I can't sing for toffee) and my emo band is the only one I've ever done where I felt I managed to make music that really had something to it as opposed to just being fun. I've got something else in the works but I think a guy I'm moving in with soon can be easily persuaded into some emo action.

Fully backed on the Cease Upon The Capitol. I really like their name too.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: sean on 22 Apr 2008, 13:40
Holy shit I was just reading though this thread again last night. This is weird.

Totally ODD news, I still can't get my head quite around it, but since Envy is getting exceedingly softer it had to happen sometime I guess.

In other news everybody on this forum who likes Envy and post-rockish stuff in general should start listening to Cease Upon the Capitol. Now.

Envy isn't getting softer as much as they are getting "post rock". Plus, I think Abyssal was reasonably heavy. Also, I'll check out that group cause I am all about post rock/scremo mixes.

Also pack of wolves DO EET
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Chad K. on 22 Apr 2008, 17:10

I've recently got into the music of Rival Schools and Glassjaw, and have become somewhat obsessed. I like Glassjaw so much at this point that I think I'm listening to each of their albums front-to-back, every day, and have done for the last three weeks. It's not entirely healthy.


Have you checked out Quicksand?  Some of the some members as Rival Schools.  Great stuff.  Also, Shiner.  Seriously, "Lula Divinia" is where it's at.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Thrillho on 23 Apr 2008, 10:23
I have heard of Quicksand yeah, but at the moment I'm trying to re-acquaint myself with the neglected albums in my catalogue before I buy any new stuff, and that includes the Schools album first.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: suitupletsgo on 23 Apr 2008, 10:34
god I love that album.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Thrillho on 23 Apr 2008, 11:10
Rival Schools, or Quicksand? Because 'Used For Glue' is one of the defining songs of my early musical life; back when we'd only had the music channel a couple of years and Linkin Park were my favourite band, and I was still too dumb to download by myself (not that I knew who the song was by).
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: suitupletsgo on 23 Apr 2008, 11:14
Rival Schools. though I'm a big fan of the Quicksand album Manic Compression.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 23 Apr 2008, 20:09
Can we not derail this thread into talking about MCR again? The only thing they have to do with emo is that it's one of the many words that has been used to market them, and there have been so many of them you could bring them up into any thread. I can understand the urge to vent your spleen over a band you hate but it would be nice if we didn't rehash the whole thing.

What separates pop from emo? Well, there are some pop groups that are marketed with the use of the word emo, just like plenty of bands that don't fit have been marketed through the use of genres like punk and metal. The difference between them and a band like Swing Kids is pretty clear cut. www.fourfa.com explains better than I ever could. As for a new name for those pop bands who sometimes get marketed with the term emo, I've actually always found it odd that those bands never got their own genre. They seem to have a distinct sound, odd nobody ever coined one that stuck.

Anyway, the guys from Guyana Punch Line are back with a new singer calling themselves Thank God and there seems to be a much stronger screamo influence to what they're doing this time around, but with plenty of batshit insane hardcore chaos in there as well. Just listening to some tracks on their myspace and they're reminding me a little of Racebannon in the vocals, definitely a good thing and I'm hoping they play Leeds on the UK leg of their tour, I think they're doing mainland Europe too. Possibly more fitting in the ranks of people like The Avenging Disco Godfathers of Soul and, well, Guyana Punch Line than your average screamo band but there does seem to be a very big influence coming from there, they're just taking it to some odd places. I need to get a record, I want to find out if the lyrics are as mental as GPL's used to be.
http://www.myspace.com/thnkgod
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Christophe on 23 Apr 2008, 20:29
Does Vitreous Humor count as being "emo"? I've seen them described as such in a few places, they did a split with Boys Life, etc. etc. Either way, they're one of my all-time favorite bands.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: 20 jazz funk greats on 23 Apr 2008, 20:39
Can we not derail this thread into talking about MCR again? The only thing they have to do with emo is that it's one of the many words that has been used to market them, and there have been so many of them you could bring them up into any thread. I can understand the urge to vent your spleen over a band you hate but it would be nice if we didn't rehash the whole thing.

What separates pop from emo? Well, there are some pop groups that are marketed with the use of the word emo, just like plenty of bands that don't fit have been marketed through the use of genres like punk and metal. The difference between them and a band like Swing Kids is pretty clear cut. www.fourfa.com explains better than I ever could. As for a new name for those pop bands who sometimes get marketed with the term emo, I've actually always found it odd that those bands never got their own genre. They seem to have a distinct sound, odd nobody ever coined one that stuck.

i call fake emo whinecore.
not incredibly creative, but it works.

and seriously, more people posting in this thread need to listen to swing kids.
and moss icon. and antioch arrow.
mmmmm fourfa-tastic.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 23 Apr 2008, 21:02
Damn, have we gone this long without mentioning Antioch Arrow? How the hell did that happen? They were a brilliant band, a lot of their songs feel to me like they wander off on tangents which really adds to the feeling of confusion and urgency. And those vocals, they keep pulling you about and refuse to let you rest even more than the rest of the instruments, everything winding up and then going off like a coiled spring. The post-punk influence they seemed to have was really cool as well. Gravity is such an amazing label, and not just for that San Diego emo sound.

Does Vitreous Humor count as being "emo"? I've seen them described as such in a few places, they did a split with Boys Life, etc. etc. Either way, they're one of my all-time favorite bands.

I don't know really, maybe more math rock than emo but that tends to be where I get confused about what's what. They're not exactly a million miles away from emo however you cut it though, and they were a quality outfit.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: 20 jazz funk greats on 23 Apr 2008, 21:15
suprisingly we've also gone this long without mentioning indian summer.

Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 23 Apr 2008, 21:47
Shit. I think this means the scene police will be dispatched to confiscate my oop vinyl for emo failure. I love the old blues samples they used, and the way Your Train Is Leaving starts all subdued for ages until bursting into life is excellent. They never sound like they can keep up the frantic sections for long, I like the way the songs shoot into them and then it all comes crashing down again into something slower and quieter.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: pinkpiche on 23 Apr 2008, 21:50
Totally ODD news, I still can't get my head quite around it, but since Envy is getting exceedingly softer it had to happen sometime I guess.

In other news everybody on this forum who likes Envy and post-rockish stuff in general should start listening to Cease Upon the Capitol. Now.

Envy isn't getting softer as much as they are getting "post rock". Plus, I think Abyssal was reasonably heavy. Also, I'll check out that group cause I am all about post rock/scremo mixes.

Both the production and the songs are getting softer and softer.. If you compare Scene and Chain Wandering Deeply you'll know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: dalconnsuch on 23 Apr 2008, 23:12
i don't get emo music, i really don't, can someone explain it to me intelligently without the cliche "men singing about their feelings" argument?


cuz i don't fuckin get it, i missed that boat off the island

i've had people make alot of arguments about emo talkin to me through th enight but by the end of the night is till said "fuckin don't get it"
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: pinkpiche on 24 Apr 2008, 05:57
There's nothing to get. Plus you're just being a schmuck. Like always.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Tehz on 26 Apr 2008, 23:56
I didn't read through the whole thread because I'm lazy so I'm not sure if Cursive was mentioned, so yeah...I'd definitely recommend them.

And I know that SDRE was mentioned several times, but I think they're worth bringing up again. I love them so hard.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: MadassAlex on 27 Apr 2008, 03:55
I think the point of the original "emo" (post-hardcore) was to actually be less accessible to the over-moshing public or something. Wasn't the idea to write lyrics about emotions rather than politics and hope that all the assholes went away or something? So you'd still draw in the crowd that genuinely liked hardcore but got rid of the dumb assholes who were there to look tough.

Oh and I guess the musicians were getting sick of bitching about politics too.

Don't quote me on that, though, there is every chance that I am dead fucking wrong.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Chad K. on 27 Apr 2008, 07:01
I think the point of the original "emo" (post-hardcore) was to actually be less accessible to the over-moshing public or something. Wasn't the idea to write lyrics about emotions rather than politics and hope that all the assholes went away or something? So you'd still draw in the crowd that genuinely liked hardcore but got rid of the dumb assholes who were there to look tough.

Oh and I guess the musicians were getting sick of bitching about politics too.

Don't quote me on that, though, there is every chance that I am dead fucking wrong.

I think you're dead right.  Emo was originally a reaction to that "tough guy" posture that hardcore punk eventually took.  Originally, hardcore attempted to cultivate a sense of community through a shared rejection of establishment, hence the DIY ethic where traditional venues and record lables are eschewed in favor of VFW hall shows and self-printed vinyls.  Hardcore shows started seeing "crews" develop at shows that would go to literally beat the hell out of people.  A lot of the earlier bands (Minor Threat et. al.) thought it was a bastardization of the scene and so they qut playing.  Some of those musicians who left started playing music that was less overtly violent in tone, in a style that was eventually copied.  I think bands like Fugazi, Guilt and Rites of Spring probably didn't see it that way at the time, and certainly hated the emo label. 

Toward the late 80's through the mid-90's that emo style became mixed with midwestern style indie rock, the result being most of the bands referenced i this thread like Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, Texas is the Reason and Elliot.  I think this style has mostly gone the way of the dinosaur.

 
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 27 Apr 2008, 07:35
You're right about trying to distance themselves from the tough guys, but not about the politics. Guy Picciotto has said that he sees all of Rites of Spring's material as political, and Ian Mackaye's lyrics in Embrace were if anything more directly political than those he wrote for Minor Threat.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: ALoveSupreme on 28 Apr 2008, 10:51
Wasn't this the board that coined the phrase Anti-Pop for current wave 'emo' acts?  Something to that degree, at least. It was very creative and pushed the term Emo out of the description.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: patto on 28 Apr 2008, 23:15
Daitro, if only i could speak french.

they are more screamo but i love the dissonance they employ in their music.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: michaelicious on 29 Apr 2008, 09:28
suprisingly we've also gone this long without mentioning indian summer.

Nah, Indian Summer were one of the reasons this thread was started. A pack of wolves (every time I read one of your posts it makes me want to listen to that song, by the way) and some others were uploading some pretty awesome emo stuff in the Mediafire thread and decided to make a thread about it.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 29 Apr 2008, 09:51
It is a good song, I have a habit of singing it under my breath when I'm wandering about. And I'd forgotten that was why this whole thread got started.

Ah, Daïtro. I have much love for the Frenchmo, Daïtro's vocals have that raw edge that I absolutely love and their side of the Raein split 10" is just so damn epic (shame that Raein are pretty weak). They've perfected the whole sway thing there, even when they tone the music down it's hard not to move to it and it's just so catchy and melodic. It's like they're reaching over into indie rock and stealing bits to be filtered through screamo and it all works so well.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: frunK on 03 May 2008, 07:03
Emo is a damn good reason why DC should be nuked.
That and all the whities who run the world are there.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 06 May 2008, 14:31
Holy fucking shit... Portraits of Past are reforming! They're playing four shows in the US this summer when the discography cd comes out. I'm not normally that big on reunions, but somehow the prospect of this being a proper reformation and not just some reunion shows has me pretty excited. I'd definitely head out to see them if they crossed the pond.

Also, Violent Breakfast are pretty ridiculously amazing and refusing to leave my turntable a bit. What's up with that whole correlation between proximity to the Mediterranean and the excellence of the screamo?
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: pinkpiche on 07 May 2008, 00:14
What?! I am going to beat them with a stick if they don't come around Europe..

...Who calls so loud? is excellent too, even though they have a shitty name.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Gridgm on 07 May 2008, 04:29
Wasn't this the board that coined the phrase Anti-Pop for current wave 'emo' acts?  Something to that degree, at least. It was very creative and pushed the term Emo out of the description.

i beleive the term was de-pop..i think it may have popped up on gabbly first as well...oh well...out of interest who did resurrect this and why?
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: valley_parade on 07 May 2008, 06:12
I always prefered "mainstreamo" or "mainstream-core".
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 13 May 2008, 18:39
I just wanna say, this thread has given me an infinite amount of lulz. Thank you all.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: nigralovecadillac on 13 May 2008, 18:41
everything you need to know about emo you can learn from three bands:


Weezer
Smashing Pumpkins
Queen

You my friend are an asshole, what could you possibly find emo about queen? dude you got hit by the clueless train one to many times
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: frunK on 25 May 2008, 09:40
I shall digress from my previous comment.
The only half decent emo band is HIM.
And if any of you give me that "Love Metal" bullshit I swear I will destroy you with the force of Slepnir's hoof kicking you in the crotch.
1. "Love Metal" was the name of an album him put out and was unhread of before it came out, that's like giving yourself a nickname. You don't just go around suddenly telling people to call you "The Duke".
2. There are no other love metal bands, a genre of 1 band is not a genre.
3. Him is not even close to metal, show me at least three mind blowing endless guitar, bass, or drum solos from HIM and I might reconsider.
4. there is nothing loving about metal you panty-waists! you want love in your metal? Listen to a ballad!
But... for an emo band they are pretty damn good... there's one!
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 25 May 2008, 09:57
HIM are not an emo band at all. If you go to www.fourfa.com you can get a rundown on what the kind of music we're talking about in this thread is all about.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: frunK on 25 May 2008, 10:03
HIM are not an emo band at all. If you go to www.fourfa.com you can get a rundown on what the kind of music we're talking about in this thread is all about.
If they're not emo then the next wave of emo will sound very much like HIM.
And how do you explain all the emos who listen to them? In my opinion Emo fans = Emo. Yes I do consider Johnny Cash punk by this standard.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: frunK on 25 May 2008, 10:10
HURF DURF HURRRRRRRR YES I LUV LOVE METAL IT IS SO AWESOME IT MAKES ME SPOOGE RAZOR BLADES BUT DON'T CALL IT EMO OR I'LL HAVE AN EMO SPAZZ ON YOU
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: a pack of wolves on 25 May 2008, 10:24
The emo bands discussed in this thread are part of a genre that came out of the Washington DC hardcore scene. They have nothing to do with the pop bands that have had the word emo attached to them by marketing executives as a promotional tactic, and anyone who refers to themselves as an emo almost certainly listens to these pop bands rather than the music this thread is about. They have nothing in common. So for the purposes of this thread;
Not emo: Bullet For My Valentine, HIM, Panic At The Disco, My Chemical Romance.
Emo: Rites of Spring, Moss Icon, Embrace, The Hated.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: pinkpiche on 25 May 2008, 10:50
This is so perfect for the term: neverending fight.
Title: Re: Emo
Post by: muffy on 25 May 2008, 14:03
Sounds fun.