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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: Tago Mago on 15 Jan 2008, 16:56
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I'm curious about others' opinions on this question. My own opinion is that she's diminished in likability in the last year.
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In what way do you think she's diminished?
I voted "Somewhat like". Could've done with a just "like" option...
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I personally dont like a her as character, I like Dora better.
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Hard to put my finger on it... I think it's that she's frequently the third wheel to conversations in which she's not the centre, just there to crack a joke? It's probably a function of the fact that QC has shifted its main focus from Marten's relationship with Faye to his relationship with Dora. Faye seems less essential, and her kind of character isn't as appealing if you know that she's dispensable.
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hey guys. looooong time reader, first time poster.
this is what has been making QC seem stale to me. Faye used to be the center of what made QC more than your run of the mill webcomic and touch on some serious issues. Since martin's relationship with dora - as tago mago said - she's just a third wheel and used for a cynical punchlines. It's only a matter of time before jeph touches on faye's feeling in regards to her being (in)comfortable with martin/dora's relationship (truthfully) and has her deal with her shrink to reveal more problems (the exercising is a good start). As entertaining as some of the more recent comics have been, I think we've had enough "filler" content and could use some story progression and hopefully faye will make it happen.
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Speaking from experience: this thread will not go well.
I voted "strongly dislike". In the first few hundred strips, I would have voted "strongly like".
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Meh, people have been loving and hating on Faye since the first strip in which she appeared. Either reaction is valid.
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Faye was my fave character until a few months ago. I'm not sure why, but it's like she's not interesting anymore.. her life has become boring. Dora is more likable now. Faye seriously needs something amazing in her life, to get her personality to develop a bit.
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I would agree that there's less excitement in Faye's life but that's because she's getting herself sorted out and not having as many drinking crises or emotional crashes. I like her, she's got a bite to her that none of the others have.
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The way that Faye is written/portrayed in the comic, she reminds me very vividly of a very close friend of mine. IT's really uncanny.
However, I will agree that writing-wise/character-wise she's a bit stale and underused these days.
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I suspect my interest in Faye will be rekindled when she has more going on then slowly sorting things out.
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Well, I still voted Strongly Like. I think that Faye has a lot to offer as a character, and she is rather snarky. I like snarky people. I think that she has taken a back seat a little as of late, but I could imagine the comic would seem rather scattered if Jeph continuously tried to make the different components of the story the center focus all of the time. Faye is doing her thing behind the scenes right now, and currently it involves therapy, trying to stop drinking, and confronting all of her issues. I don't think anyone is at their best when they are that emotionally vulnerable, but it isn't going to change my opinion of her overall. I am pretty sure she will make a comeback as the snarky, relatively confident Faye we all know and love.
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Strongly like. Just because she has been somewhat unused recently, doesn't mean she is still a great character.
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she been turned in the girl who says somewhat funny on-liner.
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I still like her but I like the earlier stuff of her kind of better. She doesn't seem as snarky and witty as she was before. There's just something missing.... but she's still a great charecter.
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She was great when she was a main character, now she's just...eh.
She does nothing for me anymore, actually. Just decided that now.
She's turning into the human pint-size.
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There's nothing wrong with Pintsize.
I like her attitude.
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I really do like her as a character, largely since my special lady friend is rather like her, personality wise, except her dad isn't dead and she has none of those issues.
I would be very hard pressed to find a character I didn't like in QC lately. I, like Jeph, am glad he deep-sixed Sara, though, as she had no real charm to me, and I also don't go for Ellen much, so glad she's gone, too.
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I would be very hard pressed to find a character I didn't like in QC lately. I, like Jeph, am glad he deep-sixed Sara, though, as she had no real charm to me, and I also don't go for Ellen much, so glad she's gone, too.
I think Jeph hit it right on when he said Sara was a boring charecter. She was incredably boring.
As for Ellen.... I'll probably be one of the few who says that they enjoyed her as a charecter.
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Faye has always been my favorite character in this strip, and the biggest draw for me.
Still feel the same, though I'm saddened that her role seems to slightly smaller now than before. However, if today's comic is any indication, that may be changing (or maybe I'm just hopeful).
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There's nothing wrong with Pintsize.
I like her attitude.
I mean she's like pint size in the way she's used for comic releif.
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I am glad that Faye is changing. It is nice to read a comic where things change and there is actual character growth.
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Being comic relief isnt all that bad :P
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Thank you Jeph for the last two comics, this is the kind of thing I've wanted to see for a while.
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I would be very hard pressed to find a character I didn't like in QC lately. I, like Jeph, am glad he deep-sixed Sara, though, as she had no real charm to me, and I also don't go for Ellen much, so glad she's gone, too.
I think Jeph hit it right on when he said Sara was a boring charecter. She was incredably boring.
As for Ellen.... I'll probably be one of the few who says that they enjoyed her as a charecter.
It's not that I don't like Ellen, I do, but I think she ran her course, so she left when she should of, you know?
Steve is one I like a lot, but one that we really don't know all that much about, history wise or anything. Well, other than the fact he looks a lot like Tory Belecci of Mythbusters. Not that it's been stated on in the comic, just an observation.
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Faye's always been my favorite. To me, QC will always be her story.
Anyway, I really like how this next arc is going so far. Really, I'm just glad that people, who may have disliked Faye in the past, will see another side of her.
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First off, I wouldn't consider any of the characters to be "main characters" at this point. There's just too many people who are important and the "main characters" change with time.
The characters who have and will continue to be in the spotlight as I see it (NOTE: I can't guarantee any of this, and I may even be talking out my ass here)
Marten
Dora
Faye
Steve
Hanners
Pintsize
Raven
Sorted by how likely I feel that they will be in the spotlight soon and if they are in the spotlight now. It's always sort of centered around Marten, Dora, Faye, and to a lesser extent, Steve. Pintsize is the chief gag-ploy, but every story with a sense of humor seems to have one. Hanners is a mix of the serious and the gags, and she is a popular character. Raven is.... weird. Sven is absent because we haven't seen much of him lately and I cannot tell if he will change too much for a while.
My point is that each of these characters will change. You may not like the changes, I may not like them, we may enjoy them, or we may not care at all. They are essential in their own way, though. Faye is enjoyable in her own times. A spotlight character, if you will. You just don't get the full effect of some personalities unless they are being examined under a microscope.
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I voted strongly like, because, honestly, I do. I found her likeable in the beginning, the evaluation of issues helped with understanding the character, and te way she dealt with Marten and Dora's relationship, made me like her all the more.
just wish I could throw dairy products like that :wink:
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First off, I wouldn't consider any of the characters to be "main characters" at this point. There's just too many people who are important and the "main characters" change with time.
Don't care. Faye will always be the main character, in my eyes.
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I wouldn't say the absolute main character, but it used to be her and martin..Then it became marten and faye, with a bit of dora..Then they all became equally balanced, but now it seems like marten and Dora with a bit of faye. I hope Faye will be brought back into the spotlight. The last couple of comics have been very good.
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i went for strongly like, because she's my favourite QC character, even if she hasn't been in the strip that much recently
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First off, I wouldn't consider any of the characters to be "main characters" at this point. There's just too many people who are important and the "main characters" change with time.
Don't care. Faye will always be the main character, in my eyes.
I agree. Well, sort of. I feel like even if the other characters are really more "main" characters than she is - Since just after the very first few comics it's felt like it's Faye's story.
I really hate to make a final fantasy reference (I know, on the internets FF is only a small step away from yaoi and furries), but I feel like it's like how Vaan was the main character but it was always Ashe's story in FF12.
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I think the problem that people have with Faye is that she wouldn't be the kind of person that they would be friends with in real life, so they say that she is a bad character. If you are asking how well she is written, I would say pretty darn well. If you are asking how we would feel about her if she were a real person, I would be outside the norm and say that I love her. I love her both as a character and as a person (if she existed, of course). Anyone who's seen any of my posts on here knows that Faye is, and always will be, my favorite character. The only thing that I would say detracts from her is that her character is a bit inconsistent in the transition of the beginning of the strip to Jeph's eventual vision of what he wanted QC to be about, but that's just a matter of him feeling out the story as he went, and I wouldn't fault him on that. I'm not going to go into any big-winded essay about why I love Faye, because god knows I write enough papers for school. But, on the subject of characters vs. people... Dora, while being an extremely well-written character and probably the MOST realistic of any of the characters in the story, is the one I like the least as a person. Whenever anyone asks me why I hate Dora the way I do, I always point them to the last panel of this strip: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=511 (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=511). Every time I see that strip I get annoyed at her all over again. But, she has been the most consistently written character in the whole strip, and the one who is most human. I just want to slap her sometimes. :D It's so fun to get into a story so much that you feel so strongly about characters, and that's one of the reasons I love QC as much as I do!
... I know, I know. tl;dr. I didn't mean for that to happen. Haha.
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Do I like her personality and the way she acts? I'd enjoy her company, were she real. I'd definitely hang out with her.
Do I like the way she is written as a character? This depends on how much attention is paid to her. The more attention Faye gets as a character, it seems, the harder Jeph works on writing her, and the better his work is. When Faye is just used as a third-wheel/foil for the Dora/Marten relationship, which used to be really funny, it doesn't work quite as well anymore ... the current strips seem to recognize this, too, because they're steering the dynamic between Faye and Dora (and by extension Marten) in a new direction, which is, at this point necessary. Basically the third-wheel thing is stale in my opinion. It looks like Jeph might be in the process of developing it into something new and different, though, which is excellent and makes me think that if anything the writing for Faye is probably improving substantially.
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I, personally love Faye. From her appearance in the 3rd strip I was a Fan o' Faye.
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i still really enjoy faye...though the comic to me is really at its best when its using what i consider the main 5 (marten,faye,dora,penelope,hanners) at this time
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I think Faye is an essential part of the comic, and it simply wouldn't be QC without her. That being said, she is deffinately the individual I "love to hate".
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I agree with La entirely.
I love Faye, and I haven't been able to stand Dora ever since she kissed Martin. To me, the Dora-Martin relationship is sort of like those movies where the guy can't get the girl he wants, settles for another one, and then the second one turns out to be crazy/evil/a man, and then he goes back to the first girl, who he belongs with. I've been waiting for a breakup of some sort since it happened, and since it's really affecting Faye's character (as in the whole "Faye = comic relief" thing), it bothers me even more.
So... Love Faye, don't like Dora. Well, I DO like Dora sometimes, but not as a couple with Martin. She's an interesting character, but... Not with Martin.
Plus, there was a comic a few days ago where she was wanting Faye to get laid, and Faye says she's not that type of girl. I kind of wanted Faye to punch her for that.
I want to point out that no, I don't totally hate Dora. I like her sometimes. Just not when she's being couple-y with Martin or making fun of Faye.
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Ohhh, I just had to create an account and stop being such a creepy lurker simply to vent my feelings on Faye. Simply put, I loved her from the start; she was funny, snarky, and the most realistic of all the characters, and the one that I most identified with. But...recently I've become disillusioned with her. All the 'after-school-special' issues she's been set up to deal with recently kind of bug me. The quitting drinking, the exercizing...I find her a less believable character because she's been so blocked into the "bitchy girl with issues" character type. We know there's more to her than that, and I look forward to a time when Faye returns to her former glory.
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She 100% reminds me of a girl I know. So knotted up with problems that she just can't deal with life sanely. The fact that she can't seem to get past Marten for now, what with the constant comments and guilt trips she's laying down, is starting to get a little old though. Most people keep comments like that in inner dialogue. She has a real third wheel vibe going, and I'm losing patience on her character development, which hasn't really progressed since her trip home.
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I think Faye is awesome, and in my opinion, she has been an extremely well-written, well-developed character thus far. But, I do agree with those of you who've said she seems to have stagnated a little bit. There's something a little off about the focus; it seems to me like it's time for some shifting--either a noticeable progression toward healthy coping (as we've seen hints of) or some earth-shattering event that forces her to get through her crap, once and for all.
That said, I'm sure Jeph has a fabulous plan that will astound us all and reveal his mysterious workings to be for the best. :P
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I've always liked Faye as a character. The only comment I have is that I'd like to see more of her therapy sessions and her attempts to put it into practice. I hasten to add that I wouldn't want her therapy to dominate the strip and turn it into a Woody Allen or Philip Roth dramedy. But given how central "The Talk," and the issues it raised, have been to Faye and to the strip overall, I do find it odd that we've seen only the occasional strip with Corrine. And generally, those have come right after a "crisis" point, be it "The Talk" or, more recently, Marten confronting Faye about her drinking. Off Faye goes to see Corrine, whom we see for two to three strips, and then bam! we're back to the usual CoD/apartment banter as if nothing had happened. No sense having Faye do therapy unless we see more what sort of impact it actually has on her, and her friends.
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Faye is fucking boring.
The "quirky girl with issues" bit can only go so far.
Now, if she was a real person, I wouldn't be so callous when referring to her psychological issues. I'd be more supportive of the shit that she's been through and all the emotional issues she's dealing with. But I wouldn't hang with her on a regular basis either.
This is supposed to be entertainment, and her shit is not entertaining.
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I love Faye to death. She's what made the comic appealing to me in the first place. When she came into the picture, Maten's whole "I'm feeling sorry for myself" act was replaced with a new hope for himself. : D
Questionable Content will always be Faye's story in my eyes. Yes she has been a third wheel lately, which is extremely frustrating to me. This respite in the importance of her character has disheartened me as a QC addict. But I stay with the comic in hope that she will conquer her place in the spotlight again.
I don't like Dora and Marten together. They're too sweet, and without problems. The relatonship doesn't seem real to me.
I've always wanted Marten and Faye to be together..but if it does happen, it shouldn't for a very long time. Both of the characters need to develop and grow more before they can be. :-P
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Haha, I think our clamouring may have influenced the comic. Now that we know Jeph will cave, we can make even wilder demands. :mrgreen:
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Hmmm I enjoy Fayes Character. She was my favourite... now they're on equel footing. Not because I like others more, but Faye stepped back.
Being a "Quirky girl with Issues" I feel sorry for her, and well that pity stops it being an enjoyable experience watching her.
People say she's sorting out her issues but she's not really. She's walking the safe line, doing the right things and being a good girl. Which is great. In the real world it would be better then being self destructive.
But I'd like to see her shake it up. Decide she won't wallow in self pity and really take a chance. Watch her take that anxiety, feel sick with it, and do it anyway. See her come out the other side and realise she's not dead. Still bat shit scared, but acknowledge she can survive. She wouldn't do a turn around but might get some more spunk.
Her "sass" isn't what it used to be. It's more obviously a defense mechanism, rather then a devil may care charm.
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I would love if she just got over her issues, do Marten and keep being an evil bitch, which sass everyone around. Hopefully she'll just kick off Dora at next strip and rape Marten in a non-gently way!
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Like she suggested to Sara in strip 10?
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apart from marten having dora now, something like that
although i likw the "polygyny" thing suggested in the weekly comic thread
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Yeah, me and Muirghiel and others like it (polygyny) too.
I like Faye, Marten and Dora and just want them to be happy. All together. All at once, together... Happy.
(blinks innocently)
Or if they could work out a way to share Marten, that would be polygyny (see wikipedia under polygamy.)
Faye would only need him once in a while, so Dora would still pretty much have monogamy...
I'd like to see Faye get her snark and power back, and this might do it. It would certainly be interesting.
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I agree with La entirely.
Quoted for posterity... to remind myself that someone once agreed with me about Dora. Haha.
Now, I have to say I do agree about the stasis of Faye and how frustrating it is. I want her to be back in the picture and be interesting again, instead of taking a backseat to Dora. I'll admit, I got a bit sick of it when she was constantly snarking about Dora and Marten and whether they were having sex or not, but thankfully that's over. That's really the only time I've been annoyed with her, because I was like "dude Faye, butt out." I'm not annoyed with her right now in the stage of development she's in, I just miss her.
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La, I see where you're coming from with the friend comment before, but I could totally see them being friends with her. Now, she might not be someone they'd seek out as a friend, but she made friends with them though circumstance. With Marten, he shares musical tastes with her, along with their senses of humor, so naturally they'd get along. The mutual attractions helped, obviously.
With Dora, she worked with Dora, and their similar contempt for the customers(which I accidentally type as "costumers" way too often) and, like before, senses of humor.
Sure, she's got a lot of problems, but once you scratch the surface, you'd find many people have a dark background. I am a cheerful guy, but I've got plenty of women issues myself, as my mom was a drug addict who beat me and would leave for days on end, ditching me with relatives. Thankfully, like Jeph, I was eventually adopted. Now, I have plenty of friends that don't share my background, but while they can't relate to my problems sometimes, thankfully, they have a surprising amount of patience with me, and still remain my friends.
Sorry if I completely missed the point, I admit I'm really out of it right now. I am tired.
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At the comics very beginnings, I thought she was kind of annoying, but as her personality and the whole comic evolved I saw a lot of things about her that I could relate to myself, and she is now my favourite character. I see a lot of Marten in my own boyfriend, and Dora reminds me of a friend of mine who i can get very jealous of, so it's really hard for me to see those two characters together, probably just as much as it is for fictional Faye.
I've only discovered this webcomic last week, and I read the whole thing over the course of three school days. When Marten and Dora got together I got so angry I had to keep telling myself that they were fictional characters xD
Now I'm like, Faye better get some boy action soon or ill seriously think about maybe only reading the comic every weekend... maybe!
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Faye is quite possibly my favourite character besides Hanners. OCD is funny.
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Boobs = win.
Thus:
Faye > Dora.
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I like Faye, but i wanted the dora-marty hook up from day one.
I would like to see the expansion of the friendship of Doras brother and Faye. It would help both of them, and expand them as characters (bringing more to doras brother, and interjecting their parents into the story.) they can even go so far as try to get faye and doras brother to hook up, and we all know, when your parents say someone is PERFECT for you, it means you two will NEVER hook up.
Grimmy
forgot doras brother's name...)Captain Obvious strikes again!!!(
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I like Faye, but i wanted the dora-marty hook up from day one.
I would like to see the expansion of the friendship of Doras brother and Faye. It would help both of them, and expand them as characters (bringing more to doras brother, and interjecting their parents into the story.) they can even go so far as try to get faye and doras brother to hook up, and we all know, when your parents say someone is PERFECT for you, it means you two will NEVER hook up.
Grimmy
forgot doras brother's name...)Captain Obvious strikes again!!!(
Sven.
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Was anyone else bothered by Marten's comment in the recent comic about Faye? Something along the lines of "I try to be a good friend but she gets weird when it's you and me and her."
I thought Marten sounded like a total jerk there, sorry. What does he expect, though? Girl likes you, girl has problems, you date other girl, then try to hang out with both? Yeah, it's going to be awkward. I feel bad myself when I'm with my boyfriend and just a single friend - I don't want to make them feel like a third wheel, but I'm sure it's awkward for a friend at times, since we're holding hands and all. So yeah, why wouldn't it be awkward for Faye, or for anyone else for that matter?
I guess Marten and Dora are trying to make Faye feel more welcome, but they don't seem to know how to do it right. "Hey, want to go with Marten on me on a date, we're tottly going to make out in the movies, lololols." It doesn't work that way.
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Was anyone else bothered by Marten's comment in the recent comic about Faye? Something along the lines of "I try to be a good friend but she gets weird when it's you and me and her."
I thought Marten sounded like a total jerk there, sorry. What does he expect, though? Girl likes you, girl has problems, you date other girl, then try to hang out with both? Yeah, it's going to be awkward. I feel bad myself when I'm with my boyfriend and just a single friend - I don't want to make them feel like a third wheel, but I'm sure it's awkward for a friend at times, since we're holding hands and all. So yeah, why wouldn't it be awkward for Faye, or for anyone else for that matter?
I guess Marten and Dora are trying to make Faye feel more welcome, but they don't seem to know how to do it right. "Hey, want to go with Marten on me on a date, we're tottly going to make out in the movies, lololols." It doesn't work that way.
I don't think he's being a jerk, he's just frustrated. Their situation has likely been wearing him down somewhat, considering he jumped from one stressful situation with her to another.
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And don't forget how long he waited patiently for her to decide what she wanted. He's always been available to her, as friend, companion and puppy dog, and after stringing him along (well, how would you phrase it?) for much too long, she leaves him hanging.
Yes, he seems cranky about it - it was hugely frustrating. For me too - I love Faye and Marten, always thought they'd be good for each other, and was always feeling, Just Get Together Already!!!
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I didn't mean he shouldn't be frustrated. I meant, he doesn't seem to understand the meaning of sympathy. Asking your friend who has a crush on you to go on a date with you with your girlfriend, and then getting upset when she acts weird, that's not sympathy. That's just kind of... stupid.
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oh, ok, i see what you mean, sorry. I was reacting to the "total jerk" and remembering his patience while she even teased him sometimes (the Charlie Brown moment, i forget which comic it was.)
I think there were more steps in there:
Girl likes you, girl has problems, [girl moves into your apartment, you get to know each other, you both realize you like and are attracted to each other, but girl has issues; you wait for her to sort them out, and wait, and wait; eventually she tells you her tragic story, but ends up saying she's not ready, and you should date someone else.] you date other girl, then try to hang out with both?
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Great character, but recently she hasn't developed too much.
I think it would only take one or two scenes to really get her character in the fast lane again and it doesn't have to be by sexin up a fella. Perhaps just a scene of her snapping and drawing pictures of clowns in crayon around the apartment.
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Guh anything but clowns!
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She's become the punchline.
Serious conversation
Serious conversation
Tagline!
Silence
Or at least that's how it seems to me. I'd really enjoy seeing Faye get a bigger role again. She's what originally drew me to the comic.
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Tomart,
The Charlie Brown moment was strip 95. Could lend new meaning to "tasty pancakes".
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Faye has become bothersome to many people, I think, because of her basic problem—she is very inclined to remain in stasis. That why Faye seems in a rut: she is. She's trying to break out of it, though. I see her foray with Hanners as the most recent attempt at that. It's a good idea: if hanging with Maten and Dora gets her down, try socializing with someone else. So hoorays for that.
Don't be too down on Marten. His recent comment is pretty normal mostly because, although Marten, being Mrten, would never admit it, he's furious: at Faye, at what's happened to her (in the past), at the fact he can't seem to help, and at the fact that the best thing he can do is to move on. It's natural to blame Faye herself, but he doesn't really mean it. If he did, he would move out.
The character I least like right now is actually Dora, who has everything Faye wishes she has and yet is allowing her insecurities to undermine it. I understand this reaction, and probably resemble it, which is likely why I dislike Dora so. Nobody likes a good mirror.
Despite outward appearances, Faye is probably QC's strongest Character. I am glad she's stopped the random beatings of Martn, though. That was getting old. Maybe she'll beat Sven, now. God knows he needs it.
Odd. I now seem completely incapable of typing MArten without making a goof.
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Thanks, cold; that comic was way back when I thought Marten and Faye would be getting together Any Day Now...
(I like your kitten wrapped around that radiator; we had kittens and radiators when I was little.) :)
Edit: I've always liked feisty females, and smarties, and - fat bottoms too. The only part of Faye that bothered me was the very real, hard punches she kept giving Marten. Bit of role-reversal, methinks, and sublimating her desires to touch nicely.
Edit: Unfortunately, she doesn't seem to punch those who deserve it most. Only the boy she had feelings for.
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I love her, plain and simple. I just like girls like her. I don't know why. In my mind, she's grouped in with girls like Daria & Jane, Raven (from the cartoon Teen Titans, not the comic), Velma Dinkley, among others.
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I'm in love with Faye. As a character. I... I just filled this page up with words expressing how deeply, but I erased it all. No amount of words could convey so pure an emotion. :cry: :cry: :cry:
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I'm actually REALLY starting to like her again.
She had her boring phase, but I dunno, she's starting to entertain me more and more each comic.
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I'm actually REALLY starting to like her again.
She had her boring phase, but I dunno, she's starting to entertain me more and more each comic.
These last few panels have been fun. I think she will probably start to loosen up. It does look like she's out and about. I just don't want to hear the same, "Listen, I may still have feelings..." song and dance again.
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I don't think we are quite done with that. It would be very abrupt, and very fanservicey (that should be a word), which isn't always a good thing. I really do like her again after these last 4 or 5 strips.
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@OnewingedAngel
I think you are probably right. Part of the thing I enjoy most is that Jeph doesn't cater to the masses. I'd much rather be wrong about what happens next than be right. Or have my hopes be replaced with, "Oooo, I see what you did there."
Hopefully though, he'll throw us a bone on the resolution of Faye and Dora's relationship. Right now it's a little awkward.
Or not, it's all good.
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I dunno, I kind of like seeing Dora insecure and freaking out because she still feels like she stole Marten, at least on some level, from her friend and is afraid he'll leave her.
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Part of the thing I enjoy most is that Jeph doesn't cater to the masses.
Sometimes it feels like he does something just as bad, though, which is changing the storyline in order to not do what the forumites think will/should/could happen.
I think in general the less Jeph read the General Discussion forum the better things would be, because no matter what, on some level he is at least subconciously influenced by what "the masses" are saying.
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Yes, and we are silly masses, at that.
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I prefer "smart masses" myself.
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I'll go for latin masses.
Sorry.
I just asked this question on the 'Ask Jeph' thread. I do like Faye, she's a strong and complex character. She does seem to have been in a minor role recently, but in an ensemble cast like this different people will shine at different times. You can't focus on everyone at once.
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We are the "fans" in fanservice! :lol:
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No, no, no. My momma always told me, "Nobody likes smart masses."
Look around. You know it's true.
On the other hand, everyone seems to be keen on the Latin masses lately.
And they said all those Piers Anthony novels would rot my brain.
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We are the "fans" in fanservice!
Except that QC has less fanservice than Neon Genesis Evangelion.
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Sometimes it feels like he does something just as bad, though, which is changing the storyline in order to not do what the forumites think will/should/could happen.
I think in general the less Jeph read the General Discussion forum the better things would be, because no matter what, on some level he is at least subconciously influenced by what "the masses" are saying.
A lot of the time the fans' expectations can be dashed just by practicing a little non-cliched storytelling, and that's fine as long as the plot doesn't turn into Jeph trying to pull improbable shit out of his ass in order to confound our expectations. But yeah, I can see where you're coming from, and I can remember cartoonists that stopped reading the on-topic boards as a result.
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I don't know.. Anybody else think Faye maybe needs to move out?
It's not that I want her out of the comic, just out of Martin's place, or Martin out of her place is it goes that way. It's just GOTTA be awkward, based on what we've seen in the the comic and just on real life situations like that. If I were Faye therapist I'd probably be urging her to try and live on her own and work on independence rather than clinging to Marten's proximity as a guarantee that she won't be abandoned. Look how she runs to Hannelore as soon as she's alone. I don't blame her, loneliness sucks, but you gotta learn how to be by yourself before you can be with somebody else, right?
Also, part of the initially appeal to Faye for me at least was her quasi-flirtatious-or-is-it? relationship with Marten, and that's all been put to an end for the time being. Maybe that's why she seems stale? Most of her issues now are playing internally instead of out in the open (albeit obscured to absurdity) through her dialogue with Marten and others.
Poor Faye.
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I love Faye, and I haven't been able to stand Dora ever since she kissed Martin. To me, the Dora-Martin relationship is sort of like those movies where the guy can't get the girl he wants, settles for another one, and then the second one turns out to be crazy/evil/a man, and then he goes back to the first girl, who he belongs with. I've been waiting for a breakup of some sort since it happened, and since it's really affecting Faye's character (as in the whole "Faye = comic relief" thing), it bothers me even more.
So... Love Faye, don't like Dora. Well, I DO like Dora sometimes, but not as a couple with Martin. She's an interesting character, but... Not with Martin.
This is exactly how I feel. (Also like Joybee above ...) In my opinion, Faye has so much more depth, interest and pathos than Dora. Dora has always been a sort of 'nothing' character for me -- I liked her before she jumped Marten, but I really don't like them together. I also agree with Naoko above -- I wanted to punch Marten in the face when he was bitching about how Faye sends "mixed signals." What does he want from her?!
If this were real life, I would definitely think that Faye should move out from Marten's apartment. But in real life, people don't need to revolve around storylines. I think the comic would die if Faye and Marten weren't living together anymore.
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If you're going to play the "real life" card, perhaps you should consider the financial impossibility of Faye getting her own apartment in Northampton while working as a barista in an independantly-run coffee shop.
She could move in with Hanners, though. While Hanners' OCD is cute it is also getting incredibly annoying and no longer funny to have her be deathly afraid of the tiniest bit of dirt or physical contact.
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I think that Hanners's being cute is about to jump the shark soon, anyway. Just too much exploitation of it recently.
As for Faye moving out? I'd see it as something that is highly unlikely in the near future, if only because it hasn't been mentioned in the comic and it's dubious as to whether or not Faye has improved as a cook.
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In my opinion, Faye has so much more depth, interest and pathos than Dora.
Maybe that's why I love Faye so much. But I see Dora as more together, she seems to be more (dare I say) Mature. So she doesn't get hooked by random life events, and so isn't as "interesting"...?
If this were real life, I would definitely think that Faye should move out from Marten's apartment. But in real life, people don't need to revolve around storylines.
Yeah, but donovan is right: financial impossibility. This isn't "Friends." And as for moving in with Hanners? Hahahahahaa! I doubt anyone is sterile enough to satisfy our Hannelore... Not to say that wouldn't be ver-ry interesting, and would keep Faye in the same building w Marten, still dropping in on each other anytime...
[I'm a lousy cook and survive alone: whole lines of frozen meals.]
Hanners "deathly afraid of the tiniest bit of dirt or physical contact"? She's spending a few hours in a filthy, crowded place, awash in germs and people; I think she can handle it in moderate doses. She probly goes home and washes (sanitizes) more thoroughly than anyone else. So she's less likely to pick up flu and etc. (It's going around, I hear.)
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Dude my name is not "donovan", where did that come from.
http://www.quiki.net/wiki/Zerodrone
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mine is. but I didn't say anything about financial impossibility.
but guys! guys! maybe Hanners needs to get outside her sterile safety bubble! In purely non-fanservice terms, Faye and Hannelore living together might be really good for both of them. Difficult (and possibly hilarious) but maybe healthy, you know? The comic is already moving in sort of split storyline directions, with Faye and Marten not spending a ton of time around each other, and that time being rather awkward in my opinion, so I don't think it would kill the comic if Faye lived separately. She's made a couple moves for distance already, both when she went home for a while and when she stormed over to Sven's place, so it's possible that she needs REAL space in her life. And no one's spacier than Hanners :-D
But if she does move out it won't happen very soon cause there's been no build up (or Jeph could just blitz us all with a surprise move), but I could see the plotline moving in that direction. It's plausible! S'all I'm saying.
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Not sure about Faye moving out, but Hannelore stretching her boundries is undoubtedly good. Living with another human might be overdoing it at this stage, and Faye in particular might not the best choice, but as comedy it's a inch from being a formula "odd couple". She's an obsessive-compulsive clean-freak enumerator! She's an angry lush with abandonment issues! They Fight Crime (http://www.theyfightcrime.org/)...er, share an apartment. With hilarious consequences!
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I joined just to post in this thread. No, I don't like Faye.
I don't think she's a well-developed character at all. Her 'issues' are all emo and little substance. If Faye was a real person, I'd be very annoyed that she was letting her issues control her life and hurt the people around her. The comic would be much better if it explored that angle, but the way her problems are written about instead reveals the author's limited understanding of how people deal with emotional trama (or at least, his limited ability to write about it).
Since Faye has been out of the picture somewhat, the comic has become a lot more lighthearted. I think the author is a lot better at writing in this style. This is what makes Hanner's non-realistic portrayal of OCD enjoyable for me, while Faye's problems are not.
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disclaimer: the only life trauma I can claim to have faced is my parents getting divorced, which was really upsetting and damaging but hardly on a par with watching your father shoot himself, so maybe Niomi has a better idea of how people handle life-changing trauma than I do.
But if you don't, then where on earth are you coming from? Faye watched her father shoot himself in front of her. How is that 'little substance'? I don't think she's emo at all; I think she's healing from a tremendously scarring experience with a lot more strength than most people would. Granted, she says she isn't capable of a healthy relationship right now, but I think that's a sign of maturity, not 'letting her issues control her life' -- she knows she could hurt other people (ie Marten) a lot more if she tried to give them more than she is currently capable of giving, so she doesn't. I think Jeph's treatment of Faye's story was extremely skillful and understanding.
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I think Jeph's treatment of Faye's story was extremely skillful and understanding.
Keyword: was. Faye has become stagnant. In fact she was never consistent to begin with. Look at the first 300 or so strips. Faye was not nearly as mean. She was actually kind of "cute" acting. She smiled a lot.
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I don't mean to play a game of "You think you've got it bad, I've gone through this AND this!" Life trauma doesn't make you a great writer, trauma does not necessarily make you understanding of others, nor does it work the other way around. I don't mean to make the experience of watching one's father shoot himself seem trivial. I also don't mean to say that Jeph is a heartless bastard that has no sympathy for the families of people who have committed suicide. I just don't buy the way Faye deals with her trauma and the focus it has in the story, so I don't like her character.
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I think Jeph's treatment of Faye's story was extremely skillful and understanding.
Keyword: was. Faye has become stagnant. In fact she was never consistent to begin with. Look at the first 300 or so strips. Faye was not nearly as mean. She was actually kind of "cute" acting. She smiled a lot.
Granted. To me it seemed like Jeph got bored with her himself ... kind of like he developed her into a pretty mean person because her being mean to Raven was so fun, then didn't like the result, and wasn't sure how to backtrack. Which is why moving forward is the only solution to Faye's rut. Hopefully that's what he's doing now?
I just don't buy the way Faye deals with her trauma and the focus it has in the story, so I don't like her character.
Ah. what part seems unrealistic?
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Dude my name is not "donovan", where did that come from.
My bad! I used the wrong person's name. It was late and I was overtired, sorry. Mea culpa.
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Niomi, like easilyamused, I'd like to know what part of Faye’s dealing (or not) with her trauma you consider unrealistic.
Trying not to deal with it.
Puulleeezze. Everybody does that one. It’s the Human Way.
Bitching at friends and family, even being abusive because of it.
I’ve seen many people do that. Even the punching. Although that was, to an extent, a gag, I know of a person who slapped people, however lightly, ‘in fun.’ Folks didn’t always take it that way, though.
Trying to isolate herself/pushing people away.
Well, at least Faye is aware she does this. All too many people aren’t, even when they are doing everything short of shoving a flaming torch in people’s faces.
Drinking to excess.
Discombobulated Persons survey says: wow, 90%! And 8% of those who don’t would if they thought they could get away with it. (Dry counties, religious extremists in the family and etc. stand in the way). At least she’s not doing drugs.
Moaning about her problems
Oh god, I’m not even going to start on this one.
Being honest about what’s going on.
Okay, you got me. Most trauma survivors do not do this until forced to by a muscular therapist with a bullwhip. Shame on you, Jeph, for being so darned unrealistic. To be more realistic, Faye should be telling everyone: “Problem? I haven’t got a problem! You’re the one with the problem!” Wait, I think she did that with the drinking, at least briefly. But that’s too little, too late, Jacques.
Semi-voluntarily taking steps, some big, some small, to try to get better.
Again, like, totally unrealistic dude. Very few people do this unless, again, persons, circumstances, or both force them too. Some can’t be forced. Bad Jeph! Bad!
I will be the first to admit that Jeph is no Faulkner, and Faye, no Quentin Compson. I will also privately admit Thank GOD. Because I read QC for entertainment, not kathairein, although I sometimes inadvertently get that. Given that the main impetus behind QC are obscure, often-mopey bands, whacky situations and light humor, though, I think Jeph does a darned good job of making Faye ‘real.’
Which is probably, of course, why people dislike her. Nobody likes real, just like nobody reads The Sound and the Fury for light entertainment. Anyone who tells you that’s what they get from that book this is pulling your chain, trying to be self-important, or is someone you need to get the hell away from, fast. Maybe all of the above.
I personally find Marten to be a more unrealistic character than Faye. I also think it revealing that when he does become fairly realistic, such as when Marten vents about what he calls Faye’s double message, people want to call Jeph on it. Why? I suspect because that is realistic. One can only play Job for so long (Unless one actually is Job, I suppose. But then it's not playing), and Marten's been Job to Faye for longer than anyone who doesn't have issues themselves could. (Alert! Canoworms at Five 'o clock!)
But the truth is, Jeph can write a comic that’s little more than a series of gags such as some of his colleagues do, or he can venture beyond this. While not entirely abandoning the gags (hence Pintsize, Hannelore, et. al.), he has elected to go beyond that and to allow QC to grow into something, well, other. (What? For crying out loud, I don't know, but I like it.)
Hooray for Jeph Jacques, sez I. And, more importantly, hooray for me (I get to read it)! Maybe hooray for all of us.
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And hooray for me, too. No reason.
Stupid comments aside, I agree with you completely. Hooray for Jeph for bringing QC to us and making it so good, and hooray for Christi for dealing with the rest of the world so that he can concentrate it.
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Yes, Hooray for Jeph Jaques and Questionable Content!!*
As for Faye being "boring/stagnant/etc" - it was time for other characters to have their turns in the spotlight, like Hanners.
It's a balancing act, giving a character's fans enough of her, and also letting others shine; knowing when to shift the focus from one character and thread to another. I think that Jeph does a great job with his creation, and its denizens.
Perhaps someday Faye will return to actively working on her issues, and be UNboring once again.
At which time those who don't like the realism will probably complain about that.
* I think QC is so good that it's only a matter of time til someone in big media picks it up and it becomes the next big thing. But Shhh!!! Don't jinx it by talking about it. :wink:
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* I think QC is so good that it's only a matter of time til someone in big media picks it up and it becomes the next big thing. But Shhh!!! Don't jinx it by talking about it. :wink:
I wonder how it'd work as a live action tv show. Err.. never mind, lets pretend we never thought about it okay?
I doubt TV producers would really make it right ya know.
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I thought they did that already. It was some obscure show....Friends maybe? :P
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Really, you can't compare Friends with QC. Ugh, just imagine a 30 y/o playing Martin.
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Hahahahahahaha. Haha. Ha.
Oh, youth.
"Never trust anyone over the age of 30, man."
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I thought they did that already. It was some obscure show....Friends maybe? :P
Yeah, "Friends" comparisons are inevitable.
And also yeah, you can't trust tv to do it right.
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Hahahahahahaha. Haha. Ha.
Oh, youth.
"Never trust anyone over the age of 30, man."
I assume what Scruffy meant was the way people in TV and films are played by people much older than their characters, sometimes absurdly so. Still, your reply reminds me of the line from Swimming With Sharks "If you're not a rebel by 20 you've got no heart, and if you're not establishment by 30 you've got no brain."
I thought they did that already. It was some obscure show....Friends maybe? :P
Yeah, "Friends" comparisons are inevitable.
And also yeah, you can't trust tv to do it right.
Yep, QC would absolutely be turned into Friends, and it would suck like The Whirlpool Of Death. This forum would turn into a seething pool of hatred for the actors, writers and network.
That was a bit pessimistic...
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And by 'pessimistic' you actually mean 'highly accurate'?
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I assume what Scruffy meant was the way people in TV and films are played by people much older than their characters,
1. Isn't Marten supposed to be like 25?
2. I am 32 and people usually assume I am about 22 based on appearance and personality and hobbies.
Just because people age does not mean they have to get old.
sometimes absurdly so. Still, your reply reminds me of the line from Swimming With Sharks "If you're not a rebel by 20 you've got no heart, and if you're not establishment by 30 you've got no brain."
What does being "establishment" mean? Do you have to stop playing guitar in rock bands when you turn 30? Are you no longer allowed to buy albums by new artists?
I just know, and have known, far too many people who never stop living "the life". It depresses me that there is any assumption that it is "normal" to settle down at any point in one's life.
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I assume what Scruffy meant was the way people in TV and films are played by people much older than their characters,
1. Isn't Marten supposed to be like 25?
2. I am 32 and people usually assume I am about 22 based on appearance and personality and hobbies.
Just because people age does not mean they have to get old.
Fair points.
What does being "establishment" mean? Do you have to stop playing guitar in rock bands when you turn 30? Are you no longer allowed to buy albums by new artists?
Yes, that's pretty much it. Knuckle down to career and family. Take up the guitar in your late thirties and you must be having a crisis.
I've heard that people largely stop buying new music when they reach their thirties, and just buy compilations of what they liked already. For instance, my father stopped listening to new music in 1977, the year I was born (I think that's cause and effect.) On the other hand, the customers who are keeping the music chains alive (in the UK, at least) are "50 quid Man"; mostly male, old enough (and advanced enough in their careers) to have the cash to spend fifty pounds a week on new and old music.
I just know, and have known, far too many people who never stop living "the life". It depresses me that there is any assumption that it is "normal" to settle down at any point in one's life.
True. I've met several too, and I'm not about to really fit the mold either. Though in my case I'd say it's more idleness than non-conformity.
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I've heard that people largely stop buying new music when they reach their thirties
Maybe people in general, but not music fans in general. What I mean is, people who are really excited by music and explore lots of different kinds of it when they're 20 are likely to never stop that process. In fact, I listen to more "new" artists than most younger people I know. It's not really a function of age, it's more to do with how you approach music period.
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I really like Faye. I see many of her traits in myself and while I don't like some of those traits, it's interesting that those traits have been shown in a positive light. Sure, Faye has issues, but she's handled what's been put her way with relative grace and came out of it alive. Faye isn't always shown as snarky and mean. She's also been shown as protective and loyal to her friends, which is admirable considering Dora and Marten's relationship.
I hope to see Faye heal.
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Hahahahahahaha. Haha. Ha.
Oh, youth.
"Never trust anyone over the age of 30, man."
Wow, geeze. Figure it out. Actors portray children at the age of 30. It's a joke man, grow up.
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It's a joke man
Not a very good one, then. "Can you imagine a 30 year old playing a 25 year old??" No, I'm honestly not seeing how that qualifies as a joke.
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I'm still hoping your kidding and your not serious. :mrgreen:
In the 80' and 90s, 30 year olds portrayed 16-18 y/os on crappy sitcoms and dramas, which everyone thought were awesome :P People like me thought it was rediculous.
You know, ha ha. Funny?
/Well anyway, didn't mean to upset you, but I consider the matter closed. If you don't get the joke, thats fine, but no need to get angry.
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I know all that, I was just saying that Marten is in his mid-20s, not 16-18, so I did not see how it made sense to connect someone being 30 playing him and someone who is 30 playing a teenager.
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I know all that, I was just saying that Marten is in his mid-20s, not 16-18, so I did not see how it made sense to connect someone being 30 playing him and someone who is 30 playing a teenager.
Ah, okay. Makes sense. I guess I never really thought about how old Martin was. I just assumed he was younger.
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In the spirit of this forum, I'd like to say yes; yes, I do like Faye.
However, if she gets 'cured' by one smooch and a possible lay, I will turn on her like a weasel sprayed with WD40.
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Howdy people. First time poster. I love Faye. Most of the characters go up and down in their personal draw throughout the series. I can see the truth behind how she's a third wheel in the conversations recently. Hopefully, that's because Jeph knows how to write a love triangle. Sometimes, it's awkward and you feel kind of like an unnecessary limb. As she finds her footing, she'll reassert herself!
I hope! :laugh:
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I used to absolutely adore Faye, but I had to change my opinion of her exactly two comics ago. (As in, the kiss.)
I'm running out of female characters to like. I never liked Dora much, and now Faye decides to go and be stupid... Penelope is nice, but she can be sort of bitchy at times, and Raven is cute, but the pink-and-black-emo-clueless thing is kind of annoying. I like the hobo boyfriend that can play awesome stuff on the guitar though, so points for her for finding a Canadian boyfriend. I thought that was pretty cool. As for Hanners, everyone loves Hanners. Also, the chick that Steve started to date is pretty cool, too.
I've lost a lot of respect for Faye in the past two strips, though. Especially with the sex one. She was my favourite, and I'm really disappointed now.
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Oh no she decided to push some bounderies and be happy what a horrid bitch.
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I don't see why you all seem to think the thing with Sven is "her being stupid." We hear about his philandering past, but he's treated her nothing but graciously the entire time. Also, it makes absolute sense that she'd go for him and not Marten earlier -- When you're insecure about sex, you don't want to be with another person who is also insecure about sex. All you get out of that is one big insecure awkward implosion. They would have been *terrible* for each other. I like them both, they're both cute and it was fun to watch their (incredibly awkward) crush, but seriously guys, it would have been a huge mess. Sven, on the other hand, is comfortable with his sexuality and can show Faye what she doesn't have and so desperately needs in this arena -- confidence. On the other hand, *she* has something *he* needs, which is someone he actually respects and cares about to be with. Through each other, they can explore key aspects of their previous love lives that had been distinctly lacking, and I think that could be a really good thing for both of them.
Also, against all you Sven naysayers, I think he's amusing and actually a nice guy (*gasp!* Guys can be nice and have slept with a bunch of people? Crazy, I know) and personally I would've chosen him as well for the same reasons listed above.
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I don't see why you all seem to think the thing with Sven is "her being stupid." We hear about his philandering past, but he's treated her nothing but graciously the entire time. Also, it makes absolute sense that she'd go for him and not Marten earlier -- When you're insecure about sex, you don't want to be with another person who is also insecure about sex.
Word to everything you said. I think Sven is a typical college guy, banging em and leaving em but he's been called on it. He doesn't seem like an awful guy, but a person who has made some really poor choices and hurt some people. As though anyone on these boards (or anywhere else) has never made a poor choice, or used someone, or been a coward about their behavior. I don't think he'd be a smart choice for Faye, as far as relationships go, but I don't care that she wanted and got a little nookie from him. Its not stupid, its just sex.
Theres a lot of sexism that crops up when a girl takes control of her own body. I dont think Faye was ready for a relationship, which is what she would have had with Martin, but she was surely ready for a little physcial intimacy.
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I dont think Faye was ready for a relationship, which is what she would have had with Martin, but she was surely ready for a little physcial intimacy.
I don't know, she might even be ready for a relationship, just not A RELATIONSHIP, if you know what I mean. I can't say I blame her. OMGRELATIONSHIPS kind of suck a lot of the time. She doesn't need someone to swoop in and try to help her fix all of her problems, especially since that would never even work anyway. She needs someone to just be normal with her, and treat her like a normal human being.
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And you know, I feel like maybe Sven can really be the one to do that for her. Yes, this will be turbulent, but this could be really good for both of them.
And that makes for good comics. :D
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I do not like her. Too abusive. A random suicidal dad is no excuse.
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You are aware that people who are messed up in the head due to post-traumatic stress disorder don't have full control over their emotions and suffer from low self-control?
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Maybe not full control but after a few years you'd think "gee, I should do something about this."
Ignoring a problem and hoping it goes away does not work. not in 5 years. Not in 20.
My own dad tried this, it doesn't work. He's able to admit that now, at least.
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You don't seem to realize that it's also not that easy to just get over it after 3 years, not after 5 years, not after 20 years. No, she hasn't been taking the proper steps to continue her rehabilitation. She's afraid of it, and that's all part of the PTSD. It is a long and extremely difficult process, and most people never fully recover.
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No, she hasn't been taking the proper steps to continue her rehabilitation.
And there we have it.
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Aside from all that, how is she "too abusive"? So she's a little standoffish and crossing that CLEARLY DEFINED line might result in some punchings. It's not like she's really hurting or manipulating people.
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It's a personal thing. As I am in real life, I like people less if they punch me even if it's in jest. Faye to me is nothing more that a memorable bully.
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She doesn't really attack, though. All of her so-called bullying is usually on the defensive.
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It's not like she's really hurting or manipulating people.
Uh...
Maybe you should qualify that with "consciously" or "on purpose"?
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You're far too black-and-white on the matter. She's taking the proper steps toward rehabilitation now, but she can't just reconcile all her problems like you seem to want her to. She moved up north to get away from the stuff that reminded her of her father, and that could have well been a positive step. But it's unreasonable for you to expect her to be normal. She's aggressive because she's defensive and scared.
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She's aggressive because she's defensive and scared.
I smells a contradiction. Pick one! Jesus...
It all sounds like excuses to me, really.
"I'm sick, I can't control these punchings!"
"The punchings are defensive, even though punchings are obviously an aggressive action!"
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Vanguard, that's the best signature I've ever seen.
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You can easily be scared and defensive at the same time. I really think you're looking at this out of context.
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Uh, I think he meant that you can't be defensive and aggressive at the same time.
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I don't know, she might even be ready for a relationship, just not A RELATIONSHIP, if you know what I mean. I can't say I blame her. OMGRELATIONSHIPS kind of suck a lot of the time. She doesn't need someone to swoop in and try to help her fix all of her problems, especially since that would never even work anyway. She needs someone to just be normal with her, and treat her like a normal human being.
I totally get what you are saying, but I personally don't think Faye NEEDS a relationship right now at all. She is just at the very early stages of conquering some big demons. The fact that she was indeed drinking when she is in therapy over her binge drinking, indicates that she is impulsive and self-destructive. Maybe the Sven thing indicates this as well, but because I identify with Faye, I want it to be a postive step towards reclaiming her feelings about men. Her feelings about her dad are so messy and confusing that I think she isn't anywhere near ready for the messy and confusing parts of a relationship. But thats just me.
Mostly I remember my six years of self imposed celibacy after a horribly emotionally damaging breakup. I became so paranoid and afraid of sex and relationships that I couldn't even go on a date. When I finally kissed someone again (and had sex again), it was like an awakening. I had been scared for so long, that being intimate with someone that I wasnt in love with, allowed me to be open to the idea that love or a relationship could actually occur. I hope this can do the same for Faye.
Basically I'm just projecting a lot of my own feelings on a comic character with really cute hair. My opinion is no more valid than anyone elses.
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I used to like Faye.
You know, before she became a slut.
...don't worry folks, just trying to make a little double-standard joke here - I still love Faye.
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I like Faye as a character in the comic strip but I don't personally like her. I find her to be bitchy, self-involved, and sociopathic. I can't remember her doing anything nice for Marten or Dora beyond a few small gestures. I understand she's been through some rough times but she needs to take more personal responbility for her life and her actions.
I like that we're seeing her work on herself so maybe this is the start of Faye conquering her issues. She has become a bit of a one-trick pony though and all of the characters (besides Sven) walk on egg shells for fear of upsetting or angering her. Gimmie a break. Sven wacks her with a rolled up magazine. That's tough love right there. Marten and Dora are too patient with her and too quick to pat her on the back and say "there there it's gonna be okay" when she's in a mood. They're too enabling and so she hasn't really changed much over the course of the strip except for a few brief moments of awareness that she's a bitch.
I feel bad for what she's been through but she was an adult when her father comitted suicide. I can't imagine how that must have felt and what that must have been like but she wasn't a young, emotionally developing child. She was 18+ and she should have been able to process and deal with it better.
But even if can't then she needs to take charge of her life and she's doing that with the therapy and the exercising. She's still bitchy but maybe this thing with Sven will calm her down a bit/make her more likeable.
I'm excited to see what happens next.
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I like Faye as a character in the comic strip but I don't personally like her. I find her to be bitchy, self-involved, and sociopathic. I can't remember her doing anything nice for Marten or Dora beyond a few small gestures. I understand she's been through some rough times but she needs to take more personal responbility for her life and her actions.
I like that we're seeing her work on herself so maybe this is the start of Faye conquering her issues. She has become a bit of a one-trick pony though and all of the characters (besides Sven) walk on egg shells for fear of upsetting or angering her. Gimmie a break. Sven wacks her with a rolled up magazine. That's tough love right there. Marten and Dora are too patient with her and too quick to pat her on the back and say "there there it's gonna be okay" when she's in a mood. They're too enabling and so she hasn't really changed much over the course of the strip except for a few brief moments of awareness that she's a bitch.
I feel bad for what she's been through but she was an adult when her father comitted suicide. I can't imagine how that must have felt and what that must have been like but she wasn't a young, emotionally developing child. She was 18+ and she should have been able to process and deal with it better.
But even if can't then she needs to take charge of her life and she's doing that with the therapy and the exercising. She's still bitchy but maybe this thing with Sven will calm her down a bit/make her more likeable.
I'm excited to see what happens next.
More adults are struck by PTSD than children, by an enormous margin. The one person she loved most in her life shot himself in front of her and she never had the opportunity to reconcile or understand what happened. We see the trauma.
She had a complete nervous breakdown and nearly died as a result of it. We see more post-traumatic stress. And more trauma. Which probably compounded the PTSD she already had later on. Just because she was an adult did not make her any better equipped to handle it. What about all the guys who came back from Vietnam crazy due to PTSD? That wasn't just physical trauma, there. That was caused by the horrifying things they saw and experienced. And they were adults, too.
kthx.
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Vanguard, that's the best signature I've ever seen.
Thank you. Made it up myself. Might have been inspired by something but it's original enough that I can say it's my own.
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Do I like Faye as a character? Yep, shes funny, snarky, rude, and honest.
Would I want to hang out with her? Heck no, she sounds like a female version of me.... And I can barely stand myself.
Faye is by far the reason I started reading this strip. I mean, one can only watch Marten get his ass slapped around for so long.
And Pintsize is only good in small doeses. As he previously mentioned, he might have already jumped the shark.
Ravens too ditzy for more then three continuous comics. PenPen, is too boring.
Hanners and Dora rock.
And while I can do without Steve.... I do need monthly doeses of his sideburns.
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I read this comic for Marten's early adulthood and it's trials. Everyone else to me are side-characters.
After all, Martin was starred in the first comic ever.
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I like Faye as a character in the comic strip but I don't personally like her. I find her to be bitchy, self-involved, and sociopathic. I can't remember her doing anything nice for Marten or Dora beyond a few small gestures. I understand she's been through some rough times but she needs to take more personal responbility for her life and her actions.
I like that we're seeing her work on herself so maybe this is the start of Faye conquering her issues. She has become a bit of a one-trick pony though and all of the characters (besides Sven) walk on egg shells for fear of upsetting or angering her. Gimmie a break. Sven wacks her with a rolled up magazine. That's tough love right there. Marten and Dora are too patient with her and too quick to pat her on the back and say "there there it's gonna be okay" when she's in a mood. They're too enabling and so she hasn't really changed much over the course of the strip except for a few brief moments of awareness that she's a bitch.
I feel bad for what she's been through but she was an adult when her father comitted suicide. I can't imagine how that must have felt and what that must have been like but she wasn't a young, emotionally developing child. She was 18+ and she should have been able to process and deal with it better.
But even if can't then she needs to take charge of her life and she's doing that with the therapy and the exercising. She's still bitchy but maybe this thing with Sven will calm her down a bit/make her more likeable.
I'm excited to see what happens next.
More adults are struck by PTSD than children, by an enormous margin. The one person she loved most in her life shot himself in front of her and she never had the opportunity to reconcile or understand what happened. We see the trauma.
She had a complete nervous breakdown and nearly died as a result of it. We see more post-traumatic stress. And more trauma. Which probably compounded the PTSD she already had later on. Just because she was an adult did not make her any better equipped to handle it. What about all the guys who came back from Vietnam crazy due to PTSD? That wasn't just physical trauma, there. That was caused by the horrifying things they saw and experienced. And they were adults, too.
kthx.
I knew when I made that comment someone was going to take issue with it :-)
I agree with some of what you're saying. I don't know if we can compare this to Vietnam but I see what you're saying and you're right. All I'm saying is that Faye has abandonment/trust/closeness issues and those typically stem from loss or abandonment that occurs during early childhood when the brain and emotional centers are still developing. I say typically because theres exceptions to every rule. And if she has trouble trusting people due to witnessing her father's suicide that's understandable. But the typical psychology would also mandate that she'd be hyper-attracted to abandoning people. She's been through some therapy but it apparently was only enough to make her semi-functional and it's a good thing that she's starting it up again.
I'm just saying that some of the basic psychology seems a bit off but I'm sure a lot of that is due to creative license and/or things we haven't learned yet. Either way I think it's a sign of a well-developed story and character that we all talk about it this much, it shows we think about the strip in a lot more detail then your average slap gag comic.
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I feel bad for what she's been through but she was an adult when her father comitted suicide. I can't imagine how that must have felt and what that must have been like but she wasn't a young, emotionally developing child. She was 18+ and she should have been able to process and deal with it better.
I don't know of a single human being in real life, who could just "deal with" their father shooting himself in front of them. I disagree that with the idea that she was not a developing child. 18 is not a magic number that suddenly makes us able to comprehend and deal with life maturely. I work with college students and can assure you, that even at 20 and 21, there are very few of them that would be equipped to handle something so traumatic in a balanced mature way.
I also think that its long been proven that age doesn't make you mature and that the ability to deal with drama, as well as trauma, is more of a character trait than an age trait. Many grown people are self destructive, self involved and crippled by fear and pain. Their age is irrelevent. What matters is how capable they are at dealing with the things they are handed.
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I love Faye. She's always been my favorite character. I don't get it when people prefer Dora over Faye (like my best friend, who's a guy). Faye's sassful. In some ways there was a little more to her when she was all, "I do not speak in contractions except when trashed because I am trying to over-come my Southern roots and I have major issues because my dad committed suicide," but getting all of that out into the story moved things along...I don't think she's diminished, just changed. As all people do. *shrugs*
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how about the reason Faye, most of time, smiles is when she has just insalted or inflicted pain on somebody. that one of many reason I dont like as a character.
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So... Love Faye, don't like Dora. Well, I DO like Dora sometimes, but not as a couple with Martin. She's an interesting character, but... Not with Martin.
Never has someone explained it EXACTLY the way I feel about it. I can't stand the way Dora and Marten got together, and ugh...I just hate how both of them completely disregarded her feelings and hooked up. I mean, in QC time it was fast, and in real time, when I re-read the comics (which I often do when I'm bored), it's insanely fast. Not fair for poor Faye, who I completely love.
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I love Faye. No doubt about it. Sure, sometimes she does stuff that I'm not particularly fond of. But she's still my favorite and I would hang out with her if she was a real person.
I understand why people don't like her, but there's not a lot that's going to change my mind about her. Dora is...Dora's good. I like Dora, but sometimes she just gets on my nerves. I'm not sure what it is.
As far as Faye and Sven, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not sure how I feel. I think that, especially after seeing today's comic, that maybe this thing with Sven is good for her and it will likely help her get better. At least I hope so.
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Well, it will be time for everyone to re-evaluate their feelings on Faye and Dora, and Marten too for that matter, when this trainwreck pulls into the station, and we can see how well everybody handles the fallout. :evil:
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I just finished reading the entire comic over the past week (yeah, I'm a newbie) so I'm sure my opinion doesn't count for as much as someone who has been reading the comic for much longer. But, I'm gonna tell you anyways so :P.
I'm the kind of person who gets involved with the characters in a story (especially when the story is written well and the character development was done well, which it was done extremely well imo in this comic). I get to the point where I feel like I know the characters, and sometimes (I know I'm crazy) I feel like they're my friends... With that said, I can't really say I dislike any of the characters in this comic. I like them all. I don't have a favorite either, although I would say I associate with Marten the most because he's very similar to me in the way he acts.
Anyways, my vote was Strongly Like, as I would pick the same for all of the characters.
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i used to really like faye as a character and thought she was great. now, im not too sure. shes become a bit boring. we need more Hannelore!
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i used to really like faye as a character and thought she was great. now, im not too sure. shes become a bit boring. we need more Hannelore!
"A bit boring"? She just did something completely unexpected of her, and it threw the entire main cast for a loop, potentially ending a long-standing relationship. How is that boring?
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My own opinion is that she's diminished in likability in the last year.
^ Agreed
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i used to really like faye as a character and thought she was great. now, im not too sure. shes become a bit boring. we need more Hannelore!
No, and hell no. Less Hanners is better Hanners.
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I do think Faye's (relatively) non bitchy, non weepy handling of recent developments makes me like her more.