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Fun Stuff => CHATTER => Topic started by: Patrick on 04 Feb 2008, 06:56
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There are probably only two things it is not okay to joke about on these here forums. Let me make you a list!
1. Rape
2. Seriously, rape
Recently somebody not only broke this as-of-yet unwritten rule, they decided to push it when asked to stop. PROTIP YOU ARE NOT FUNNY YOU SHOULD STOP. We shouldn't have to tell you once, let alone twice, and I really don't want to get anybody b&, I'd rather they learn their lesson the easy way and stop.
Seriously, I've seen jokes on here about AIDS, cancer, murder, suicide (Kurt Cobain = hilarious), and all kinds of other things that people normally do not joke about. If you want to joke about rape, first consider suicide. Then if that doesn't work out for you, go start your own forum, and have fun when nobody wants to join because you are a douche.
THAT IS ALL.
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You know what? As per usual, I'm going to play devil's advocate?
You prove your point to be an absolute shit one very early on: it's an apparently unwritten rule and one that's hard to judge considering the kind of jokes that show up here. People joke about anything and everything here and I think it's completely unreasonable for people to be getting bent out of shape at someone who had absolutely no clue, to the point someone is making an entire damn thread to complain about it and basically give the dude shit/try and make him feel like he did something wrong.
This is exactly the same situation as when I got bitched out for using a word I had no idea people here had a problem with. Hopefully it follows in turn with the fact that the individual who yelled at me PMed me and resolved it in a civilized and non-bitchy manner.
Sure, it's perfectly fine to say "we're not comfortable with this topic or that topic," but it's completely uncool and a total douche move to bitch at someone for mere ignorance of an unspoken rule. Especially one so often broken. I've seen boundless rape jokes in Gabbly, not to mention that a well regarded regular played along with the joke. What the fuck was he supposed to think?
Fuck this. This thread is the new most useless thread ever. This thread is now about unattainable goals that would be nice in retrospect:
I sure wish I had webshooters. I'm not sure what I'd do with them, but they'd be awesome.
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It's an unwritten rule in general society. If you're making rape jokes, you are a douchebag, end of story. You shouldn't need to have it spelled out for you.
Not only that, but there was also the little detail where, in the example given, the person thought they were real damn smart/cute and decided to push it.
tl;dr no
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Not that I'm planning to make any jokes about either since I don't make that many jokes on here anyway (I'm sadly about as funny as an episode of Little Britain), but I don't see why rape is a less appropriate subject for humour than AIDS. They're both deeply horrific things that happen to people. If you're going to make jokes about fucked up things you can't sensibly get upset when somebody else chooses the one fucked up thing that's beyond the pale for you. Like Obsessions said, it's fine to have subjects that are off limits but you can't expect people to know that instinctively.
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a short fictional story by yelley.
once upon a time, there was the internet. the internet was a wonderful place where nobody said or did anything offensive. instead, all anyone ever did was share important information to benefit society and post pictures of puppies and kitties.
the end.
the moral of the story: nobody comes to the internet expecting to never be offended. this particular instance is hardly even a blip on the radar. even i wasn't offended by this. hardly deserving of a thread to single out one person.
move along people, nothing to see here.
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Seriously, guys. Terrible thread. Clearly my "goals" thread idea didn't pan out. New topic:
I've been playing a lot of Ninja Gaiden lately. This makes me wish I were a ninja.
What I'm trying to say is: Katie, Mai...I'm calling you pansy ass pirates out!
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KITTIES
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NINJA KITTY
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PUPPIES
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NINJA PUPPY
[img width= height=]http://204.14.123.30/content/pic/olddorks/ninja-dog.jpg[/img]
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Like Obsessions said, it's fine to have subjects that are off limits but you can't expect people to know that instinctively.
I'm not saying you have to know them instinctively. I'm saying you SHOULD. Since apparently that isn't the case, I started a thread saying it so there's no confusion.
Apparently I'm the bigger douchebag than somebody making rape jokes (and pushing it when being called out for it) because I started a thread letting people know it isn't funny. I am real fucking sorry, guys, I promise from now on I will laugh at every rape joke that is posted on here.
Oh, wait, no, rape still isn't fucking funny, and that is my point.
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Rape = NOT FUNNY, JERKS.
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You're not funny.
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Rape isn't funny. Dead babies aren't funny. AIDS isn't funny. Sex is pretty funny. Racism isn't funny. Sexism isn't funny. A blah blee bloo. Lots of things aren't funny and are pretty offensive. People make jokes about things to make them less uncomfortable and considering most of us are adults (most of the non-adults are still pretty mature as well), we should be able to not be offended by things. I saw his joke and while I didn't think it was funny, I didn't bother getting offended, because hey, this is the internet and it wasn't directed towards anyone in particular.
Basically, sack up and move on. If someone makes a joke and you feel like saying it wasn't funny, say so, but don't make a thread about how we can't make jokes about rape when there are a lot of other jokes on here that are or can be just as offensive.
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This thread is obviously never going to go anywhere useful.
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I find Patrick's constant 4chan references to be ten times more annoying than sporadic mentions of this subject.
Funny how if I just happen to make a reference to the most recent violation (of many within just the last month) of the "stop making rape jokes" idea that is apparently so unnecessary to defend, it makes it a personal attack, despite having never named names or even pointed the thread out. But when I'm being unnecessarily called out for something I haven't done in something like two months, it's just proving a point that I'm a total fuckbag who has no validity whatsoever, and that I should be ignored because I'm overreacting and making a big stink out of nothing. I, for one, think that's total jackassery, no matter how much respect I have for you, Tommy.
tl;dr don't get silly just because I am the only one to make a big stink of something that has been an ongoing problem but has just been casually dismissed. I know you think "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is applicable here, but after a while the status quo gets boring, and maybe I don't feel like typing "You're a jackass, rape isn't funny" every 3 days. I'd like to not have carpal tunnel before I'm 20.
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Oh wait, carpal tunnel isn't funny, it's not that person's fault, they just type a lot or have bad posture. I'm sorry, I'm going to go kill myself for being a useless fuckbag by making a joke about carpal tunnel.
Oh wait, I can't even joke about suicide anymore, it's going to offend too many people.
Seriously. There are some things that just aren't fucking acceptable, end of story.
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This is as useless as arguing about that four letter word that begins with C. I do not think that word is acceptable in any shape or form, but arguing about it never gets anywhere. Some people like it, some don't, but I'm not going to get angry because they like using it in an intimate reference to their s.o., I just want it used when it's directed at me. No, you didn't name names, but those of us who saw it know exactly who you're referring to. I'm pretty sure that person gets it now, but next time take it to PMs, okay?
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@Linds: I was never trying to antagonize one person just for the sake of antagonizing one person, even if I did say they were being a douchebag. It was just the most recent example, and was therefore fresh in the minds of people, so I went with it. Sorry it came across as an attempt to go for an all-against-one callout.
That also applies with my point to you, Tommy. I'm not saying everybody should always agree with me ever and if they don't I'll burn their house down. That'd be stupid. I am saying, however, that a hell of a lot of people have been doing this, it's an ongoing problem, and each time it's happened, the person has been called out. This is what made me start the thread, not just my own personal belief. Whether or not I have the right to speak for those people is not my call. What I can do, however, is make it very clear that using rape as a punchline has a history of not being accepted on these here forums, and make the assumption that it is going to continue to be dismissed as inappropriate in the future.
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It's obviously a contentious issue. However, and I'm speculating here, if Jeph decided there would be no more comments about rape, he would say so and start banning people. I completely agree that it's a highly distasteful subject, but unless you have the right and authority to police members who talk about it, going round and round on this thread is simply going to create some very angry responses, on both sides of the fence.
A conversation like this is one that should be had privately, between the offender and the offendee(s), not here.
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...(I'm sadly about as funny as an episode of Little Britain),...
This made me laugh.
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I understand your concern on this issue but if you read your posts in this thread you definitely come across as someone who is saying "Thou Shalt Not" in a big thundering voice. Historically that doesn't go down very well on these forums either.
Yeah, that much is pretty clear, and as far as that goes, I'll definitely admit I was overreacting.
I wouldn't worry about it, I don't think anyone has been offended here.
If you're referring to whether or not I've offended anybody... well, that's certainly up for debate, you're right.
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There are probably only two things it is not okay to joke about on these here forums. Let me make you a list!
1. Chuck Norris
2. Seriously, Chuck Norris
Recently somebody not only broke this as-of-yet unwritten rule, they decided to push it when asked to stop. PROTIP YOU ARE NOT FUNNY YOU SHOULD STOP. We shouldn't have to tell you once, let alone twice, and I really don't want to get anybody b&, I'd rather they learn their lesson the easy way and stop.
Seriously, I've seen jokes on here about AIDS, cancer, murder, suicide (Kurt Cobain = hilarious), and all kinds of other things that people normally do not joke about. If you want to joke about Chuck Norris, first consider suicide. Then if that doesn't work out for you, go start your own forum, and have fun when nobody wants to join because you are a douche.
THAT IS ALL.
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Heehee. Chuck Norris
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(assuming one day we have active Moderators again).
fruitkat is online right now! quick, grab her!
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There are probably only two things it is not okay to joke about on these here forums. Let me make you a list!
1. Rape
2. Seriously, rape
Also animal cruelty.
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I think that things like rape and such can be considered humour as long as they are done sarcastically. If people are being serious about what they are saying and are just generally being overbearing and crude then it is not appropriate in the slightest. It would probably be a good idea to stay off touchy subjects like that on a forum because emotions are harder to read through text and it would be hard to tell if people were just being arseholes or if they were being sarcastic.
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Jon thinks this is funy:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/0bsessions/My%20Pictures/Underwears/P1290011.jpg
WARNING: NSFW!
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Man, that isn't funny. That is pure, unadulterated sex appeal.
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I wish I could unsee that.
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WARNING: NSFW!
I love how the warning is way below the image being warned about. If you really wanted to go for the "fine print" sorta thing, you should have used the size tag.
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Guys does this mean I am not allowed to talk about my skullfucking pastime anymore?
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Only if you completely disguise what you are talking about.
From now on your past time is "Picking Flowers", its much less offensive.
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But what if it's consensual skullfucking? I mean, what are they going to do, change their mind?
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Depends how deep you get.
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i still think "raped! by dolphins" is a pretty good band name.
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Man I am not a concert person and I would pay to see their show.
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i like a good knock knock joke as much as the next guy, but when a joke or word or action can possible potentially offend someone, anyone, well that's when i draw the line! I'm filled with such gosh-darn righteous anger, well not really anger, that's too strong of a word... it makes me a mirth deficient american! I'm going to call my congressman AND the ACLU about all this, don't think I won't!
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How can this offend you when(I'm assuming) you're a(n) (ex?)/b/tard? It just seems to me like you're doing some crazy ass dictating, since I'm sure I've read rape jokes on here before. Anyway, like everyone else said, thread wasn't needed. Obviously you thought it was... Sorry everyone got so annoyed, but this thread really seemed out of line :s
Whatever, we all make mistakes... Take that time I raped that woman with gonnorhea for example.
Ps: My post before I read the rest of this thread was much more bitchy... But I soon realized that everyone else sees it my way. So, then I said to myself, "Regurgitate what's been said, or make rape joke in bad taste?"
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oh my, you have offended my delicate sensibilities!
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everyone else sees it my way
I am offended because everyone else is not. I am so indie.
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We should have a word filter that turns "rape" into "clowntown".
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(assuming one day we have active Moderators again).
Hey. HEY!
Personally I find rape jokes deeply upsetting because I abhor violence, and rape is pretty much the worst form of violence I can think of. Of course making jokes about horrific occurrences is a long-established way of coping with those occurrences, i.e., "gallows humour", but I'd say that pretty much without fail all the rape jokes I see around here - or anywhere else online, for that matter - are more along the lines of "Rape! LOL", which as far as I'm concerned serves only to trivialise an appalling act of violence.
HOWEVER, I'm aware that my opinion in this matter is in the minority. While this makes me sad I am, nonetheless, in no position to do much about it other than to ask people to please not do it again, which I'll continue to do so because, hell, I think I'm right on this. For a while there (before I was modded) I had my own personal little campaign trying to argue occasionally against making light of violence in general (specifically directed at jokes about beating people up or murdering them or, yes, raping them), but that was pretty much an uphill struggle. Either way, there are no rules on this matter, either written or unwritten, and I've certainly never been witness to any kind of official discussion of it with regards to this forum in particular. So, I dunno, everyone try and stay classy?
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Need it be said, Harry? I don't know about these guys, but I am the classiest mother fucker here. With the exception of Tommy, that is.
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Summary:
-Harry is the classiest guy here
-I am not Gryff
-Shit what am I even doing?
-I miss Gryff
-Regardless if rape is funny or not, it is pretty extremely lame humour. Like, get some better jokes or something, relying on junk like rape and murder is a serious cop-out in terms of making fun.
-This isn't really a summary; it's not at all concise, and I'm adding new opinions, I think
-tl;dr means "You're not worth my time, but I'm worth yours. And I don't think you're a valuable human being."
-TL;DR
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I personally am rather surprised that people would get more offended by rape than murder.
But what do I know?
It's not like I ever went to prison for killing anyone, if you know what I mean.
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Please?
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The combination is 46 13 7.
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The combination is 46 13 7.
combination is 46
46
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WELL DONE, SIR.
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combination is 46
I am not a very clever person.
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Summary:
-Harry is the classiest guy here
No no, you've got that all wrong. I'm the most classist guy here.
You sniveling lower-class lickspittle.
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46
Now that's comedy!
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That makes me ashamed to be his namesake.
Seriously man, you're giving Michael's a bad name.
Stop. Now.
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combination is 46
I am not a very clever person.
Do not get.
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Seriously man, you're giving Michael's a bad name.
Says the guy who puts apostrophes in plurals.
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Do not get.
LOOK AT THAT LOCK!
DO YOU SEE A NUMBER 46 ON THAT LOCK?
I THINK NOT!
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Nobody sees the 46 on that lock until it has already killed them.
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Seriously man, you're giving Michael's a bad name.
Says the guy who puts apostrophes in plurals.
At this point I start to think that maybe people are doing this on purpose? That would be really well-done.
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Maybe he's a Greengrocer.
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Well...
That wasn't very smart of me now was it?
*shoots self in foot*
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Stop hatin' on michaelicious everyone. His old av was cool. The new one not so much, but still a dog in a wig makes him A-OK in my book.
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Guys it was a code. He was counting in a different base, duh. The only base that does not contradict the present digits and translates '36' to a usable number is base eight, which is the obvious solution. Making the permutation 38 11 7 in base ten.
I already opened the locker, though, and you probably don't want to look in there anyways.
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OH SHI-
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Now that that's out of the way, I am constantly amazed at the insensitivity of people I otherwise consider to be quite smashing. I am less worried about rape jokes that are obviously jokes than I am about people casually dropping it into conversation. I came across it a lot when I was playing an MMO in a guild. I got the wonderful experience of seeing people I was working with at the time who were absolutely lovely people explain to me how they got together with so and so and gang-raped this or that mob. Even "murder" or "beat the fuck out of" would have been perfectly reasonable things to say under the circumstances. Another example would be to say that a powerful item "rapes". "Oh yeah, I got this Sword of Swordening last night, it totally rapes". Since when was raping considered a good thing, you fucking cockspank?
Also, thank you to those who were trying to veer this flaming bandwagon toward "useful conversation" territory.
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Est... Still alive I see. I suppose I'll have to come up with more sinister plans for your demise, then. Kudos for managing to survive my last attempt though. I thought the giant spiked ball surely had you.
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I've heard it said that you've got lovely giant spiked balls.
As for this thread (and since we're chan-spotting anyway), at first I was :x, but now I'm :lol:.
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Est... Still alive I see. I suppose I'll have to come up with more sinister plans for your demise, then. Kudos for managing to survive my last attempt though. I thought the giant spiked ball surely had you.
Wait, aren't you even going to watch (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118655/quotes) ?
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ha-HA.
Personally, I'd consider the kind of person who might associate rape (non-consensual sex) with anything other than genuinely ugly feelings, of very questionable character.
However, there is this joke to consider:
Together, we raped the Horses and rode-off on the Women!
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That just goes to show, rape is only horrible when it happens to people.
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This is discussed by the TV Tropes wiki here http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapeAsComedy (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapeAsComedy)]
Be warned, it can addictive.
I've lost the power of diguising my links :-(. What am I not doing?
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Who thinks this is very unfunny? It relates to the original topic, so I'm curious.
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...nah, still isn't doing anything positive for me.
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I know it's not positive, but are you offended by it? I think it's probably one of the more subtle rape jokes I've seen and doesn't really pass it off as cool or okay. But it was just something I was curious about.
ETA: Really, I shouldn't have asked, but alas, can't take it back now. I'm sorry, guys.
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Bear and Kitten can never offend me but basically,
RAPE IS WRONG
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I think that that comic isn't offensive, because it isn't a big, bold font saying
RAPE LOL
but is rather just a joke on people's parents wanting them to have kids to the point of extreme measures. Rape is not in and of itself the joke, but just an implied mechanism for the joke. DRINK IT is the punch-line, not RAPE RAPE LOL.
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Whether the actual punchline is rape or whether it's just a mechanism, it still offends me. Maybe it's just me, but seriously? I don't think it's funny either way.
Also, I think it's lame to post rape jokes and be like "Does this offend you?" Sure, YOU may find it funny, but I don't, and asking me about a specific example every time is just going to piss me off again.
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What's really offensive is not letting this thread die.
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It's settled then.
Whoever makes a rape joke, or has made a rape joke in the past is banned. Forever.
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RIGHT GUYS?
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I agree with Davey, 100%.
However, I think it's silly to stay "RAPE JOKES ARE HORRIBLY WRONG, but man AIDS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!" Yeah, let's all laugh at terminal illnesses! Let's laugh at the Holocaust! But fuck, rape? Not funny, dude. Not funny.
Basically, this thread should die, and people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones/let he who is without sin cast the first stone/I am pretty sure most/everybody on this board(given the sarcastic humor often found here) has made an offensive joke at one point in time. Maybe you thought it was funny, but maybe you offended someone else. Understand?
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I'm not perfect. I'm aware I'm not perfect. I never said I was, and I never said I even want to be. I'm just saying that it pisses people off. When was the last time I made a joke about AIDS on here? I remember making a joke about Kurt Cobain recently, and I got called out for it. While I bitched about it to the person in the thread (and while we discussed it via PM for a while), I stopped within the next day, and I've toned down my use of that kind of humor considerably ever since, because it pissed one person off.
Just because I don't necessarily have room to talk doesn't mean I don't have the right to. I'm not the only one it pisses off/annoys/offends, and if people are going to cry on their pillow about it when I make them aware of it, well, that's their own damned problem. There's obsessive, baseless political correctness, and then there's just common fucking courtesy to the people around you.
While we're making Bible references in an effort to show off our moral e-penises, consider this one:
There is a time for everything,
And a season for every activity under heaven
While that kind of shit is acceptable on one of the *chans, it has no place here, and I am not even close to the first person to say it.
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Whoa whoa whoa.
I'm not saying "You, KimJonSick, are a jerk! You make offensive posts all the time! Don't tell other people they can't!" I'm saying, as a board, we shouldn't say "This topic is officially banned from jokes! It is offensive!" You see what I'm saying? Jokes that are offensive suck, but we are all mostly adults here. I think we can handle a little bit of cringing every now and then, right?
I wasn't meaning to directly offend anyone. And with the "bible quote," I wasn't trying to be all "morally superior." I was just saying, "Hey, we are all jerkoffs. Maybe we shouldn't be so concerned with one little not so great topic."
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Rape isn't something I find funny on general principles. I'm contrarian enough of a person though that this thread genuinely makes me want a thread devoted to rape jokes, just to see if we could find one I do think is funny. After all, I enjoy dead baby jokes and I think George Carlin's bit on suicide (from his Life is Worth Losing special) is comedy gold, so perhaps rape could be potentially be funny as well. I have trouble understanding why this ONE area should be off limits to humor, no matter how offensive it is (and I agree that it is incredibly offensive).
Barring that, a new joke thread that didn't contain rape jokes might also be nice, since it's been three and a half months since the last post in the last joke thread I could find via search, and significantly longer than that since the last joke thread not dedicated specifically to BAD jokes...
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so perhaps rape could be potentially be funny as well.
Nope.
Also, Patrick, you probably know my opinion of religion (it's negative. Very negative.) but seriously, the bible is pretty much where so many of our little sayings, phrases, axioms or idioms or whatever you want to call them are from. Emaline wasn't really doing anything wrong by quoting the bible. If she was being incredibly sanctimonious or preachy than I'd be all up in arms about it as well but you know, just chill a little.
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I have trouble understanding why this ONE area should be off limits to humor, no matter how offensive it is (and I agree that it is incredibly offensive).
This is exactly what I'm saying.
I also want to add that I am not trying to saying any one person here is an ass. I'm not trying to offend you, Patrick, or be a jerk to you or whatever. Honestly. I've got nothing against you, and I generally enjoy your posts.
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guys, anything can be funny if its in the right context. ive made jokes about things that even would offend myself, but it works if its done right.
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I agree.
Dead baby jokes usually absolutely make me cringe, and my stomach churn. However, I know I've told a few, and have laughed at some as well.
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My brother likes to tell paedophilia jokes. Incredibly graphic ones. They are never funny and actually make me rather sad.
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Dead baby jokes make me want to vomit every single time.
And I already apologized to Pat about reviving this, as I really should have just let it die and really should have realized this crap would happen, but can we just let off of it now? It's not getting anywhere, which should be very obvious by now, and we're just misunderstanding each other. This thread is kind of a downer. Let's move on to brighter threads, k?
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Bad, horrible thing I once said that makes me look like a terrible person story alert! :police:
I once had a friend who always seemed to hit on/get hit on by younger girl(15-17 year olds, while he was 22). We once we driving past a Catholic elementary school, right as school was letting out. I said "Damn, we should come here more often! You could pick up so many girls!" It was a terrible joke, and I am a horrible person for it. But still to this day, that story makes me giggle.
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My Bible quote is all kinds of relevant here though. 4chan is perfectly accepting of just about anything you can throw at them (with one exception: child porn). The rest of the world isn't 4chan though. You can shout racial slurs and rape jokes at a group of /b/tards as much as you want, but the rest of the world ain't so forgiving.
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Well, on the theory that if my favorite comedian can't make me laugh about something I probably have no chance of ever finding it funny, I just listened to George Carlin's "Rape Can Be Funny" track off his 2007 album "Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics". Overall it was an unimpressive track, and unlike most of the time I'm listening to Carlin, I didn't particularly enjoy it. I have to admit, though, that there was one point when I laughed pretty hard, and two or three other times when he got a small chuckle out of me. I don't know, I think it's incredibly rare for a joke about rape to be funny, certainly rare enough that it's reasonable to say "Don't ever try, your odds of failing miserably and being offensive with no redeeming factors are too high." Certainly on a forum like this I think avoiding rape jokes is a very good policy. I bristle at the idea that rape can "never" be funny though, because I think anything *can* be funny, and I hate absolute statements about anything. Also I did just laugh at a joke about rape a few minutes ago (thanks George), so there you have it. Rape can be funny in my opinion, and I suspect that for most people there probably exists *some* joke about rape that would make them laugh. Does that mean I plan on making rape jokes here? No. And neither should you.
Now that I've said my piece, I will join the chorus of people clamoring uselessly for this thread to die.
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Why does 4chan keep getting brought up in this?
I agree that 4chan is a terrible terrible(albeit sometimes amusing) place. I mean, I realize that 4chan is basically all that is bad about the internet, and that a lot of what is said there can't/shouldn't be said anywhere else, and I'm glad it's that way. I think most people feel that way. But why the hell do we keep bringing it up here? What does 4chan have to do with the qc boards? How many people here actually go to 4chan? How many people here are actually silly enough to treat other boards like 4chan?
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What's really offensive is not letting this thread die.
I will join the chorus of people clamoring uselessly for this thread to die.
I really should have just let it die ... Let's move on to brighter threads, k?
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Rape is never funny.
Unless you're raping a clown.
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I am still not certain why people think it is not ok to joke about rape but it is okay to joke about murder. How about sexual assaults that don't involve rape? How about beating the living shit out of a child for your own amusement? To say that one thing is definately, universally not ok to joke about, but that everything else can be arguably used for humour is fucking ridiculous.
Also Khar, apparently fear of Clowns is far more commonplace than I thought. This leads me to believe that maybe the only reason we find raping a clown so gosh darn hilarious is deep down, we know that they're coming for us.
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Also, Bear and Kitten is some damn funny stuff, and that strip is no exception.
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Right, I'm finding my original quote so that we can put this fucker to rest once and for all.
Here's the conversation that sparked this Goddamn mess, with a breakdown so everyone will understand where the hell this came from, know where the line is and then we won't have this conversation again, at least for a very long time.
Maybe that's why I never get laid without the aid of roofies and duct tape.
Okay. Rookie mistake here! He makes a joke, but the joke is basically an implication that he is a rapist or possibly a serial rapist. It's one thing to make a joke like that comic up there, but it's another thing to say "I've raped before and God dammit I'll do it again."
It is not okay to suggest you have raped a woman.
I have excised a quote, the gist of which is that context, audience and intent are crucial to a joke, and so is humour - there has to be something to a joke beyond shock value. What I've quoted, however, should be a line that folks know not to cross. Jokes are jokes, and at a certain point they stop being jokes.
Who said anything about a woman?
That's a joke. Unfortunately the timing is not great. This is a situation where the best thing to do is maybe apologize or just make a mental note not to go to that particular place that particular way again.
It is not okay to suggest you have raped anyone.
Really, it's not.
Folks, and I shouldn't have to remind you about this, this is the Internet. It's not necessarily Serious Business but the fact is that you're not talking to us, you're typing to us. Something is bound to get lost in the translation, and sometimes it's humour or intent. I genuinely doubt CPC was intending to make light of rape victims or to offend anyone, and outside of those two posts he's a pretty good forumite. I feel a need to stress this, since this probably feels like a personal attack or something blown way, way out of proportion to him, and he doesn't deserve it. (To be honest, it should have been taken to a PM in the first place; at best, being in a thread simply leaves it visible as a reminder that it's important to consider that there are people typing out their responses to what you write.)
It was a joke. In the right context, maybe it would have worked. However, it came significantly out of left field, it wasn't phrased great and the intention behind it seemed misguided at best and outright malicious at worst.
Everyone makes mistakes. The best thing we can do is learn from them, not draw attention to them and turn them into gigantic forum-renders. (And yes, I'm aware I've done that here and it might make me come across like a huge hypocrite but, once again, context is important. For anyone scratching their heads at this thread's proceedings I'm guessing that's doubly true.)
Even though this isn't my thread, I'd like the mods to have their say and then maybe to close this sucker up. Be excellent to one another. That's the important part.
I clicked the "edit" button here to clear things up now that it's twelve hours later and a reasonable time of day without bumping this thread up again. First, it's not relevant whether or not it's easier to just let comments like that slide. The relative ease of a course of action is at best one merit out of many. Letting it slide means this thread doesn't get made, there's no big production over its seriousness - definite pro. It also means that stuff like that is acceptable to say on this forum, which is generally founded on civility - even crude jokes generally have an understanding of the implications behind them, which is largely what makes them funny - and, although Amok's right in that nobody reading probably thought he was actually a rapist, it basically Weekend Webs the forum, taking what is at its core a pretty great community and sleazing it up a bit (once again, unintentionally). So those are a couple of cons.
Nobody's suggesting setting up a ruleset. Harry has kindly asked people to refrain from relying on violence towards your fellow man being used as a cheap joke. I'm suggesting that folks be wary of the context of their jokes and understand the implicit meaning behind their own words. TL;DR version: read what you type before posting it and make sure those are the words you want to say to a group of people. You have the opportunity to do so on a web forum, and that's one of its perks.
Shut up! For the love of god, can someone please lock this thread already? I am so sick of everyone repeating themselves over and over and over. Everyone has made excellent points! People have acknowledged them and made their own excellent arguments! The first people then repeat themselves and then we are just going around in circles!
I don't see this happening. In fact, neither amok nor myself have posted in this thread actually discussing the topic at hand.
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Or, since the chances of any post which if taken literally could be read to advocate rape being serious are utterly insignificantly low, we can probably be mature about it and take any posts about rape with a pinch of salt and just scroll past them if we personally find the topic too offensive to ever be funny, instead of preaching and writing essays about it. Because while your summary of that post is thorough and rational, it's probably a lot easier to just let it slide rather than subject every off-colour sarcastic remark to in-depth analysis.
Basically,
Okay. Rookie mistake here! He makes a joke, but the joke is basically an implication that he is a rapist or possibly a serial rapist. It's one thing to make a joke like that comic up there, but it's another thing to say "I've raped before and God dammit I'll do it again."
No, it really isn't another thing. Because no one reading that is actually thinking that he's a rapist or possibly a serial rapist or he's raped before and God dammit he'll do it again. The only difference between this and an 'acceptable' joke is that you don't find it funny. There are lots of things that everyone doesn't find funny, and if we set up a ruleset forbidding any of these things being joked about ever we'd pretty much just be discussing Neutral Milk Hotel and the weather 24/7.
As you say, if the mods want to put their foot down and say 'we don't find rape funny therefore shut up' that's different because uh, they have stars under their names and shit. But while it's still being debated, this basically makes no sense whatsoever (the thread in general, not just your post JC).
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Shut up! For the love of god, can someone please lock this thread already? I am so sick of everyone repeating themselves over and over and over. Everyone has made excellent points! People have acknowledged them and made their own excellent arguments! The first people then repeat themselves and then we are just going around in circles!
ITT: People's minds cannot be changed about what they think is funny and what is not!
tl;dr: HGLAUBHAUGHBLAHBLAUH
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Moral of the thread: read Bear & Kitten (http://www.south20th.com)!
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For the love of god, can someone please lock this thread already?
WHERE IS YOUR MOD NOW?!!
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Handcuffed to a water pipe in my basement wearing nothing but a ball gag and high heels.
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Sir, that was in very bad taste! I am offended!
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But are they ballet heels? Because then it'd be OK.
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Sir, that was in very bad taste! I am offended!
lol
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Patrick, come on now. The internets are not serious business.
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I'm just amazed that despite several requests from several people that this thread die, people insist on bumping it, especially with posts as useless as making rape jokes expressly to be contrary, then going for obvious mockery just to be douchey. It's not that you're doing it to me, it's that you're doing it at all.
I think Katie put it best.
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I AM BUMPING THIS THREAD TO ASK PEOPLE TO STOP BUMPING IT. IN ALL CAPS1!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm bumping this thread, just like I bumped your comatose mother last night.
If you catch my meaning
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(http://www.uiowa.edu/~oldcap/tour/artifacts/artifact_images/sen_chandelier3.jpg)
This thread and this chandelier have something in common.
They are both classy as hell.
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Jesus people, if you don't like the thread then stop fucking posting in it. You know what? I'm not gonna lock it, because I shouldn't fucking have to. I'm not your damn baby-sitter. If you don't like the bloody thing then stop bumping it and let it die a natural death, instead of posting in it to bring it all the way back up to the top of the page again, just so that you can complain about how much you hate it.
And yes, do as I say, not as I do.
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I'm not gonna lock it, because I shouldn't fucking have to. I'm not your damn baby-sitter.
actually
http://www.quiki.net/wiki/Mod
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I think you're my babysitter.
Please protect me.
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I swear to God, if people don't stop bumping this thread, I am going to turn it into a lolcat dump.
You think I am joking? Try me.
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I would make a joke about going to a bakery and sampling Storm Rider, but I would rather see a lolcat dump.
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What happened to Slick? He's a smart guy, and good people.
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Tommy, I know you might not be the kind of person to volunteer yourself, but you should probably be a moderator.
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This would be probably the single trickiest forum to moderate that I've run across due to the entrenched user base and the relative lack of central themes. Plus, there's the universal problem that I've seen across internet forums everywhere: The people that have enough free time to really stick it out and vigilantly watch a forum are often the very same people who post roughly 20 topics and 5 new polls a day in a desperate bid for attention if given the chance.
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The people that have enough free time to really stick it out and vigilantly watch a forum are often the very same people who post roughly 20 topics and 5 new polls a day in a desperate bid for attention if given the chance.
actually, no (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php?action=profile;u=319).
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Or perhaps Johnny Fucking C.
Seriously Johnny, I don't care if you'd have something in common with Yngwe, it just sounds good.
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This forum is in dire need of some mods, so I propose we institute some new ones right away.
This is the first time in a while that I've seen some serious out-of-hand conversations. I mean, we're arguing about the validity of scientology and its church.
I know we all hate that Johnny C, but he is around here too often to not be lending a hand. Tommy already has the social moderation down, he just needs the banhammer. We have quite a few people who would be excellent moderators.
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Inlander is an excellent mod. We just need more. This is a rather large forum to moderate all by his lonesome. Personally, I think there should be at least 3 more - maybe IF NEEDED one to get the top two forums (you know, the ones no one ever goes to), but definitely one for music, and two to split up arts & crafts, comics & drawing, and computer stuff, as well all three helping around in fish if needed.
But as for what Inlander said earlier, he shouldn't have to babysit us. When every other post is a plea for the thread to die, let it effing DIE.
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Calm down folks. You all seem to be talking like we're in some sort of state of great decay, we're not. The forums are nice and healthy, certainly better than they have been in the past. An extra mod or two would be nice, maybe take a little pressure of Harry, but we're largely a self moderating forum. It doesn't take very long for people to get in line around here. When trouble is occuring, pay attention to which prominent board members are not posting in that thread, and take note. Be more like them.
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obvious (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php?action=profile;u=7912)
All hail ruyi!
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Hail!
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I volunteer my services as moderator! I will rule with fist of velvet in a glove of steel!
Wait...
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(http://www.utexas.edu/law/news/img/markesinis_investiture.jpg)
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I am all for the people who have been named here becoming mods. I think they'd all make some pretty damn good mods.
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Since this thread has finally found a use, I am rescinding the thread of lolcat-bombing for now.
But watch yourselves.
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Crap, anyone who's been here past 3000 posts and still visits the forums often should be a candidate for moderator. I mean, Khar would make a great mod. Also, what about that Kieffer? Things would be more interesting around here if Kieffer was a mod.
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I doubt I will ever be a mod, because of the snark and the booze.
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Also, what about that Kieffer? Things would be more interesting around here if Kieffer was a mod.
I wouldn't know, his first act would probably be banning me.
I am all for the people whose profiles were linked to for being mods ,but this is a dictatorship
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Kieffer used to be a mod, MusicScribbles. Jeph made him a mod back when he was SeanBateman, but then he kept going on trolling streaks and finally Jeph took him off and he "quit the internet" for a while, as he is apt to do (he is doing it right now, in fact).
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(http://www.uiowa.edu/~oldcap/tour/artifacts/artifact_images/sen_chandelier3.jpg)
Do you know what I thought when you posted this, Chuck? Do you?
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needed to get rid of this
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I doubt I will ever be a mod, because it'd be just too awesome
P.S; BAN YOU, MATT
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I think what Matt is trying to say is that it would be okay for Kieffer to make love to the Statue of Liberty.
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If I were a mod, I must state that I would have no automatic objections to anyone doing it with the Statue of Liberty.
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If I were a mod, I would ban the author of the fifth thread from the top every Monday morning when I pop in from work for the next week (Counting any stickied threads).
I would periodically change random forumites names, mostly to puns.
I would edit all posts in the video game forum concerning Final Fantasy VII or Halo to be nothing but Bon Jovi lyrics.
I would ban myself for a week every six months for just being too sexy for the forum.
I would ban anyone whose avatar I didn't care for until they were able to submit to me an avatar I approved of.
I would ban anyone who I feel would get in the way of my survival in the event of a zombie holocaust.
New Addition: I would periodically edit the most recent image in the photo thread at any given time into a picture of an isopod.
These are not campaign promises people, these are innevitabilities. I will be the Governer fucking Tarkin of QC.
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Crap, anyone who's been here past 3000 posts and still visits the forums often should be a candidate for moderator.
Post count should not be a factor. There are forumites who have been around longer than I have and have less posts, but they are better. Besides, there are those people who could rack up 3000 posts in a few months, while I have yet to hit 3000 and have been around for just about 2 years. We do not want one of those people to be considered for mod. The world would end. Just like it would if Jon were mod, though at least it would be an amusing apocalypse.
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I am all for replacing Est and Jeph with Jon as the site admin.
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Well played, Darryl.
You all could learn a thing from this young man. Ass kissing will be the next best thing to legal tender when I moderate QC.
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I will not bow to you Jon.
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Crap, anyone who's been here past 3000 posts and still visits the forums often should be a candidate for moderator.
Post count should not be a factor. There are forumites who have been around longer than I have and have less posts, but they are better. Besides, there are those people who could rack up 3000 posts in a few months, while I have yet to hit 3000 and have been around for just about 2 years. We do not want one of those people to be considered for mod. The world would end. Just like it would if Jon were mod, though at least it would be an amusing apocalypse.
This man has my endorsement for the election to President of the Internets... if such an office even exists. Even then, I'm not much of a person to endorse a guy... being a lurker for most of the time.
Also, the first two pages of this thread made me want to offend EVERYONE just for the irony.
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anyone who's been here past 3000 posts and still visits the forums often should be a candidate for moderator.
I would like to register a complaint.
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This man has my endorsement for the election to President of the Internets... if such an office even exists. Even then, I'm not much of a person to endorse a guy... being a lurker for most of the time.
If you're talking about me, then my first duty in office would be to slap you. I am no man. (http://malloriemiller.theworldrace.org/blogphotos/theworldrace/malloriemiller/eowyn.jpg) If you're talking about Jon, though, yeah, I'm with you on that.
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My bad... I didn't know. :-D
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...dude did you look at her name.
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I didn't know anyone named "Linds" before. It could have been an obscure reference to something I knew nothing of.
Or, and most obviously now that I've been informed, short for Lindsay.
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For a self proclaimed lurker, you don't seem to know very much about us or how we operate. Watch, then learn, then give it a go.
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Eh. I dunno. I feel bad now, the guy's only human. Nobody's always sharp and on the ball and FUCK YEAH I HAVE GOT SHIT FIGURED OUT all the time.
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Admittedly, I don't lurk I Like Fish, but rather the part of the forums that I understand isn't frequented by the majority of the community. (namely, the WCT threads and Comic Discussion)
I guess I'll go hide a bit more.
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No, please, stick around. But be aware that the comic discussion forums are a whole different world. As far as we're concerned, they're another planet.
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What I meant with "hiding a bit more" was "lurk I Like Fish for a bit before I try again"
Of course, I could always just screw the training wheels and hop on, but that tends to result in scraped knees and a crying kid.
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anyone who's been here past 3000 posts and still visits the forums often should be a candidate for moderator.
I would like to register a complaint.
I am sorry Joe Hocking. I am truly sorry.
I DID NOT MEAN THIS STATEMENT.
I am also truly sorry.
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Guys, I am disappointed with how swiftly this conversation has veered away from how awesome a mod I would make.
When I am mod, the zombie thread will be stickied and Joe Hocking will be chained to a tree and forced to make sound bites for every forumite I give a shit about.
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Sorry for hijacking your train of conversation there, Obsessions Almighty. :-P
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I am sorry Joe Hocking. I am truly sorry.
I DID NOT MEAN THIS STATEMENT.
I am also truly sorry.
...that was an unexpected response.
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Hey Jon! You know that the only power mods have is to edit posts, lock, sticky, and move threads?
You can't do a lot of the things you said you wanted to if you were a mod.
Suggestion: Take down the man and run for Adminship
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the zombie thread will be stickied
Guys why isn't this stickied? That thread is serious business.
Fuck mod, Jon for forum president '08.
Sorry Darryl.
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My bad... I didn't know. :-D
'S ok! I've done it before.
I thought Darryl and Khar were up for president! What is this write in nonsense?! Not that Jon isn't a good candidate, but he will throw the vote.
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I hate to toot my own horn, but god damn the zombie thread is still fucking going. Hell, it even came back to life.
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I wasn't aware that Khar was running... Shows how much I know.
Also I will only support a candidate who is pro-sticky the zombie thread. Jon is the only one to take this stance.
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I often toot my own horn. I am, after all, a brass player.
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That last post was definitely regarding humor. Well done.
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Regarding humour, as in, it was looking at humour from a discreet remove?
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Such is the turn this thread has taken.
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Man, Harry is all the mod I'll ever need.
Except maybe if I could be a mod too but not so that I had responsibilities and stuff that detracted from my enjoyment due to the burden of responsibility and respectability but instead just so I could say silly things in locked threads because I think that'd be fun.
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If I were a mod I think I would edit horrible grammar in people's posts. And I would be content.
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It'll never work, Misconception. I have been pestering jeph to make me a mod for that very reason for years now.
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Regarding humour, as in, it was looking at humour from a discreet remove?
Yes! This kind of witticism creates its own panache.
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: HABBO RAID FUCK YEAH :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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I am for being a mod! I would make things run smoothly and everyone would be happy! Especially Joe Hocking!
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I hate you so much, Gabbly joke account.
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It was funny and topical, like, a year ago maybe. Now it is just a sad old joke that doesn't know when to lie down and die the best death it'll ever get.
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Ah, but it raises the question: who is behind the Gabbly joke account?
It's like a Q.C. Forum murder mystery! Only without the murder.
. . . Yet.
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Why don't you quit wasting time posting on the forum, and focus on working once in a while, Gabbly, you prick.
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Especially Joe Hocking!
Why is it singling me out? I am being antagonized by a computer
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Why don't you quit wasting time posting on the forum, and focus on working once in a while, Gabbly, you prick.