THESE FORUMS NOW CLOSED (read only)
Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Adnrew on 09 Feb 2008, 22:14
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http://www.nme.com/news/godspeed-you-black-emperor/34219 (http://www.nme.com/news/godspeed-you-black-emperor/34219)
He continued: "We could talk to people after the shows, or we could make announcements from the stage, but so much what Godspeed was, was one-way communication, and I had an existential freakout about that, that those tactics aren't valid anymore.
"People didn't need a rock band pointing in the direction of (how the world was at that point). Maybe what they needed is some clumsy words, a presentation that was a little more human."
But Menuck hinted that personal issues between the members also played a part in the decision to split: "On a personal level I now find (Godspeed) to be inappropriate. There's a complicated back story. I reached a point whereby I was no longer willing to contribute to the steering of the ship; it was like, 'Okay now, someone else point the direction, I love you all, but I need to ride shotgun for a while'. I think that bands do have a short shelf life."
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:cry:
'Twas a good run.
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Well, shit.
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Emphasis on the "officially." I think those less optimistic of us pretty much knew already.
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Thank god Cosby, You! Black Entertainer (http://www.myspace.com/cosbyoublackentertainer) has survived.
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Godspeed, you "Cosby You! Black Entertainer" rock entertainers.
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Emphasis on the "officially." I think those less optimistic of us pretty much knew already.
True. There was a tiny bit of hope, though.
I wish they would have recorded Albanian and Gamelan.
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At least we still have A Silver Mt. Zion.
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Emphasis on the "officially." I think those less optimistic of us pretty much knew already.
True. There was a tiny bit of hope, though.
True dat.
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ya know, several members of godspeed are now in carla bozulich's new band 'evangelista' their first album was pretty good and i've heard great things about the forthcoming one
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god damn...now my week is ruined
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I thought they were already dead and gone anyway.
Plus, I actually think A Silver Mount Zion is leagues better than most of the GYBE material.
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I thought they had split years ago.
They had been on "hiatus" for a few years.
Pretty much everyone knew they were never ending that hiatus though. This is just a formality, I suppose.
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I have to say I don't know how I would compare Silver Mt. Zion to Godspeed, considering Silver Mt. Zion's new album not really being post-rock too much. This isn't that sad though. The band had a good run years ago, and still does. I don't think it matters now that they've officially split. It's been said already on here, that even though there was some hope, we all knew the chances of another album. (Or maybe feared, depending on how much you liked the band.)
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Weren't Weezer on "hiatus" for a little bit?
Then again, they came back with Make Believe, so..uh...
..um..
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Primus came back and made an EP... uh... Didn't Gang of Four get back together and rerecord an album not too long ago? I don't know if that was a hiatus.
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I don't understand why anybody considers this especially bad news. Aside from the first 10 minutes of Lift Yr. Skinny Fists... and "Moya", other bands have come along and done everything GY!BE did, and better. And Silver Mt. Zion is just such a better band, especially considering their last two releases.
And anybody who knew anything about the members of the band knew that it was a miracle they ever put anything out at all when the "interpersonal issues" are taken into account.
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Slipknot.
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i don't see why this is relevant, i mean, they haven't released any noteworthy material within the past six years, and Yanqui U.X.O. was trash... and the output of A Silver Mt. Zion is leagues above Godspeed's... if anything, this just means more ASMZ records to look forward to :-D
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I dunno, maybe because they are the band that defined the post-rock genre?
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Yanqui U.X.O. was trash...
Are you fucking kidding me?
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I don't feel like anyone is taking this news badly, except for maybe the OP (If you aren't, I'm sorry I said that.). This thread is really just a reason to wonder why they took so long to let the world know they aren't a band called Godspeed You! Black Emperor anymore. It's interesting that they took so long to finally agree that the band was done with. Were they milking the fans' collective hopes and dreams? Maybe!
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Can anyone think of a band that went on 'Hiatus' and actually returned? I need specific proof of the usage of this word to deem an answer as correct.
DAMNIT MAN STOP RUINING MY DREAMS, FUGAZI ARE TOTALLY COMING BACK FROM HIATUS.
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Yanqui U.X.O. was trash...
Are you fucking kidding me?
Well, I didn't like it. I felt it paled so much compared to all their previous efforts.
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I don't feel like anyone is taking this news badly, except for maybe the OP (If you aren't, I'm sorry I said that.). This thread is really just a reason to wonder why they took so long to let the world know they aren't a band called Godspeed You! Black Emperor anymore. It's interesting that they took so long to finally agree that the band was done with. Were they milking the fans' collective hopes and dreams? Maybe!
Milking them to what end? If you've said your band is on hiatus then there's not much reason for you to go the next step and say you've split up. You won't be getting offers of gigs you have to keep turning down or anything like that since you've let it be known you aren't active for the moment. The only benefit to yourself would be to no longer be pestered with questions about whether you were coming back or not, and that balanced against cutting yourself off from the possibility of maybe doing something again probably isn't much of a gain.
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Wghat, Yanqui UXO was the best GY!BE album.
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Milking them to what end? If you've said your band is on hiatus then there's not much reason for you to go the next step and say you've split up. You won't be getting offers of gigs you have to keep turning down or anything like that since you've let it be known you aren't active for the moment. The only benefit to yourself would be to no longer be pestered with questions about whether you were coming back or not, and that balanced against cutting yourself off from the possibility of maybe doing something again probably isn't much of a gain.
I think what I said was that they were being cruel and trying to keep their fans hoping for an end to hiatus. This statement was also not meant. It was supposed to be a joke, of sorts. Damn you, internets, for not letting me communicate the tone of my voice!
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I dunno, maybe because they are the band that defined the post-rock genre?
There is so much wrong with this sentence than I am not even going to start.
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Okay so maybe it is a bit wrong, but I wouldn't say it's completely wrong. It gives absolutely no credit to the jazzy post-rock sound Tortoise created or the psychedelic sound that whatever band created, but they are still a pretty definitive band in my opinion. At least would it be reasonable to say they are the definitive crescendo based post-rock band? And that is a pretty big chunk of post-rock.
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I was gonna be all snide and post a link to that TWDY thread, but then I saw that you had posted in it numerous times.
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The thing is, you can't say "it's not completely wrong" about such a sweeping statement. They were influential, yes. But by no means could you defend the claim that they "defined the post-rock genre."
Edit: *facepalm* the difference between "can" and "can't" is fairly important.
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Well, okay, fair enough. I suppose I have no right to make such a sweeping statement either, since I am hardly an expert on any form of music. I have always thought of them as the defining post-rock band in my opinion though. There's just something about Godspeed that seems to sum up what post-rock is whenever I listen to it.
Perhaps Jackie was onto something with this subjective reality theory he brought up in environment/argument about god thread.
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There is so much wrong with this sentence than I am not even going to start.
aw...I am so glad you are back. I missed little comments like this. :)
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aw...I am so glad you are back. I missed little comments like this. :)
I had whisky to drink, young lady.
It's not like you didn't get any of me over the weekend anyway. :wink:
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aw...I am so glad you are back. I missed little comments like this. :)
I had whisky to drink, young lady.
It's not like you didn't get any of me over the weekend anyway. :wink:
Well it wasn't more than I could handle. Good thing we have plenty of time. :angel:
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Guys, I don't think it's exactly helpful to debate about "best" and "worst" albums in a band pretty much defined by mediocrity to begin with.
...Did I fool anyone into thinking they were reading a zerodrone post at first?
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My encyclopedic knowledge of the minutiae of Independent Music is failing me.
Can anyone think of a band that went on 'Hiatus' and actually returned? I need specific proof of the usage of this word to deem an answer as correct.
mission of burma?
and the big one: my bloody valentine?
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Well, okay, fair enough. I suppose I have no right to make such a sweeping statement either, since I am hardly an expert on any form of music. I have always thought of them as the defining post-rock band in my opinion though. There's just something about Godspeed that seems to sum up what post-rock is whenever I listen to it.
That is just because you are using the narrow definition of post-rock, which in fact is "bands that sound like GY!BE or Mogwai".
Listen to Flying Saucer Attack sometime.
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I think we've finished ragging on those who haven't listened as far back as some others have. I could say that Slint started the movement. I could say that Talk Talk, Bark Psychosis, Disco Inferno, or Cul de Sac influenced the genre (Cul de Sac are pretty great.) but there would be no point. Hell, I could say that The Velvet Underground started post-rock (Apparently they influenced EVERYTHING. What the hell, music journalists?) but...sorry, I'm done. I made my point (hopefully).
Also, where is this stuff? We should get to uploading all of these 'post-rock influences' for the mediafire thread instead of just making claims on their credibility.
Zero, can I have some Flying Saucer Attack? Please?
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I don't feel like anyone is taking this news badly, except for maybe the OP (If you aren't, I'm sorry I said that.)
Nah, I was fine with it. Really. Not crying.
I didn't really like Yanqui that much either.
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I think we've finished ragging on those who haven't listened as far back as some others have.
It has nothing to do with timeline; there is still post-rock being made that does not sound like GY!BE.
I just do not approve of having an entire genre name reserved for bands that sound like them.
That would be like saying "The Mars Volta and Coheed and Cambria pretty much define modern prog rock".
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"The Mars Volta and Coheed and Cambria pretty much define modern prog rock".
"I agree."
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I'm pretty well indifferent to this. They made good music, and like all good things they came to an end. At least they didn't try to stretch it while it obviously wasn't working.
Do people think that when a band breaks up it's more dissappointing that they won't release any new material or that they won't have another chance to see them live?
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I don't understand why anybody considers this especially bad news. Aside from the first 10 minutes of Lift Yr. Skinny Fists... and "Moya", other bands have come along and done everything GY!BE did, and better. And Silver Mt. Zion is just such a better band, especially considering their last two releases.
And anybody who knew anything about the members of the band knew that it was a miracle they ever put anything out at all when the "interpersonal issues" are taken into account.
What are these bands that do what they did for the entirety of Lift Your Skinny Fists or "Providence" better than GYBE! and where can I hear them?
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Guys, I don't think it's exactly helpful to debate about "best" and "worst" albums in a band pretty much defined by mediocrity to begin with.
...Did I fool anyone into thinking they were reading a zerodrone post at first?
You fooled me into discounting your opinion for a while.
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What are these bands that do what they did for the entirety of Lift Your Skinny Fists or "Providence" better than GYBE! and where can I hear them?
Tarentel and Mono, for starters.
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I did a journal on this on last.fm that I think sums up my thoughts quite well:
GYBE FINALLY BREAK UP YAY
10 Feb 2008, 07:04
Good to see that this band will not release any more records. It was looking quite unlikely, but at least now we can all be secure in that knowledge. Pretentious, boring rubbish I say- If only they'd split up before they had formed. Or something.
Also: I've been listening to Metallica's Load recently. I think it has a bit of filler but a lot of songs are really quite good. Outlaw Torn and Bleeding Me in particular are quite epic- I think Metallica sure could've showed 'em how to write epic songs.
Load > All of GYBE's output.
THAT IS ALL.
Here's hoping ASMZ follow suit and split up.
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I think you may have taken that one a wee bit over the top.
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I think you may have taken that one a wee bit over the top.
Well, half of the intention of that journal was to troll gybe fanboys. Having said that, I'd rather listen to Load then GYBE. I like other post rock a lot, though.
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Oh, I know that, I just thought it wasn't terribly subtle.
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My encyclopedic knowledge of the minutiae of Independent Music is failing me.
Can anyone think of a band that went on 'Hiatus' and actually returned? I need specific proof of the usage of this word to deem an answer as correct.
judas priest did it just after halford left i think
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mission of burma?
I can't say it enough: GO SEE MISSION OF BURMA, THEY ARE BETTER THAN EVER.
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Godspeed Still on Hiatus, Not Completely Broken Up (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/48600-godspeed-still-on-hiatus-not-completely-broken-up)
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Guys, I don't think it's exactly helpful to debate about "best" and "worst" albums in a band pretty much defined by mediocrity to begin with.
...Did I fool anyone into thinking they were reading a zerodrone post at first?
You fooled me into discounting your opinion for a while.
Good enough for me.
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I heard that when people yell during Silver Mt. Zion concerts "When are Godspeed getting back together?" Efrim says "When are you and your ex-gilfriend getting back together?"
That is awesome.
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Tempted to verify this next month. But I'd rather not piss him off, since I'm expecting a rather good show.
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My encyclopedic knowledge of the minutiae of Independent Music is failing me.
Can anyone think of a band that went on 'Hiatus' and actually returned? I need specific proof of the usage of this word to deem an answer as correct.
American Music Club? System of a Down? Slipknot?
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Maybe they should have stayed on hiatus.
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Your not counting shitty bands in a count of how many out of all bands have come back from a hiatus? Seems like a pretty stupid way to go about it.
What about "", "", "", "", and ""?
No, they were all shitty. I'm not counting them.
:|
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The Breeders went on hiatus rather than breaking up.
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LAME.
I was all excited as well :-( Here's hoping there's some sort of automobile accident, just to totally prevent any chance of a regroup.
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In the automobile accident, they would all survive but their instruments would be destroyed.
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Caspian, do GY!BE really bother so much that you would rather they break up due to physical injury than have to avoid listening to their music? It is very easy not to listen to GY!BE. Infact, I'm doing this right now. I dislike a lot of music, but I don't troll their fan base and post inflammatory comments. I don't think that's a good way to endear yourself to people. You have the benefit of doubt, and I think you're probably trying to play devil's advocate a little bit. But I think you need to re-read your post and revise your approach.
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(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2008/01/got-told-chart-225.jpg)
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De El, you are my favorite new person on the forums. Please do not leave as many of the other new people are really getting on my tits.
Your pal,
Jackie.
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Godspeed Still on Hiatus, Not Completely Broken Up (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/48600-godspeed-still-on-hiatus-not-completely-broken-up)
Must be a slow day in music, P4K. What's the point of rehashing the story and dismissing the claims with absolutely no proof save a quote that says "We've been apart for years now, yeah. We're not officially broken up but we will be eventually. Quit bugging me about it"
Also while it's fairly expected, this makes me sad.
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Interesting to note the use of the phrase "permanent hiatus" in that article.
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(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2008/01/got-told-chart-225.jpg)
Glorious. Almost Achewood-esque like. You know, like the "Is the mother turned out?" flow-chart
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Interesting to note the use of the phrase "permanent hiatus" in that article.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Aerosmith_-_Permanent_Vacation.JPG)
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Caspian, do GY!BE really bother so much that you would rather they break up due to physical injury than have to avoid listening to their music? It is very easy not to listen to GY!BE. Infact, I'm doing this right now. I dislike a lot of music, but I don't troll their fan base and post inflammatory comments. I don't think that's a good way to endear yourself to people. You have the benefit of doubt, and I think you're probably trying to play devil's advocate a little bit. But I think you need to re-read your post and revise your approach.
My way of saying "I hope I never hear about a band/person/inanimate object again" is basically by calling for their death in an automobile accident. It's not meant to be taken seriously, but people tend to take it the wrong way - I had another similiar, but much longer/angrier argument with someone about this on my school facebook group where I wished everyone there the same fate. Sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek-ness does not typically go well over the internet, unfortunately.
Also: If you don't troll fan bases and post inflammatory comments then you're missing out, it's a great deal of fun. Sure, this may annoy people, but then a thread about a band I like will come up and everyone will get along again- and if someone wants to troll that thread, then that's fine by me. Or at least, I like to think that I'd still get lulz from it anyway.
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I am an asshole.
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My way of saying "I hope I never hear about a band/person/inanimate object again" is basically by calling for their death in an automobile accident. It's not meant to be taken seriously, but people tend to take it the wrong way - I had another similiar, but much longer/angrier argument with someone about this on my school facebook group where I wished everyone there the same fate. Sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek-ness does not typically go well over the internet, unfortunately.
I had another similiar, but much longer/angrier argument with someone about this on my school facebook group where I wished everyone there the same fate.
I told my classmates I want them all dead.
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Whether you genuinely mean it or not, there are some things that it is never okay to say. Think carefully about this. People have feelings, and shaking them up for kicks is a very asshole thing to do.
For the record, telling all your classmates you wanted them to die is a VERY asshole thing to do. Don't be the asshole, the bad guy.
I understand what you said about 'trolling' for the sake of discussion, but you definitely went about that the wrong way. The idea of playing devil's advocate is not to offend other people by rudely stating an opinion that's fighting the tide.
Look carefully at this thread. People are taking what you are saying out of context and it's making you seem like a much bigger asshole than you are. Playing the asshole and pulling it off is VERY difficult. Most people who try just end up selling themselves short.
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Dear Jackie,
It makes me sad that I went to bed before I could see this. It is a thing that makes me very happy.
Yours most truly,
De_El
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Sad, but it was coming anyway...looking forward to the 2015 Coachella reunion show!
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I'm not going to count shitty bands either.
Then why mention MBV?
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Whut.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Ha.
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Thee Silver Mt. Zion and Tra La La Band plays my puny little scandinavian town!!
Fuck GY!BE
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I'm not going to count shitty bands either.
Then why mention MBV?
You just hate fun, don't you?
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I can see the tension in these words. This thread is about HATRED.
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Loveless is the only album in the entire world as overrated as Spiderland.
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Don't forget Young Team! People get drunk and masturbate to that album, I'm sure of it!
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Loveless is the only album in the entire world as overrated as Spiderland.
You are dead to these boards.
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I am so precocious!
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Loveless is the only album in the entire world as overrated as Spiderland.
But sir, how do you overrate an album that is utterly perfect in every way?
XP
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It is a scientific fact that the bass is mixed too low on "Only Shallow" and "Soon".
Perfection: denied!
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It is a scientific fact that the bass is mixed too low on "Only Shallow" and "Soon".
Perfection: denied!
(ANGULAR ABRASIVITY)
WHO NEEDZ BAZZ?!
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I personally prefer pretty much everything Loveless influenced to Loveless.
But if a lot of other people want to say it's the best thing ever, that's OK!
See guys, there IS a way to state a difference of opinion without being a tool
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WHO NEEDZ BAZZ?!
Jason Newsted, apparently.