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Title: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: De_El on 21 Feb 2008, 15:17
http://www.moviemake-out.com/2008/02/20/warner-bros-set-to-make-akira-two-parter/ (http://www.moviemake-out.com/2008/02/20/warner-bros-set-to-make-akira-two-parter/)

So, you know, general apprehension, plus a little weeping. Could it be good? Who the hell knows. I've been told those short films the director did were good, but I haven't yet time to watch them myself. I'm pretty sure relocating it to "New Manhattan" is unnecessary and stupid, but hey, that's Hollywood.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Beast on 21 Feb 2008, 15:24
It's live action, so if they do it right, it could be incredible. The original was awesome. Really scary plot. I hope the new one is horrifying.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Faker on 21 Feb 2008, 16:12
I haven't seen the original film nor read the comics, its something I've had on my "to do" list for quite some time. I really better check them out before this comes out a taints my perception of them
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: bryanthelion on 21 Feb 2008, 16:33
I smell evil, corruption, and a really crappy movie!

Couldn't they just make a sequel to AKIRA in anime form?
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: KvP on 21 Feb 2008, 17:09
They did. It was called Elfin Lied, and it fucking sucked.*

*note that it wasn't an actual sequel, but a different series that just happened to be similar.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: BootsyMarie on 21 Feb 2008, 17:48
Uhm. I don't know how I feel about this one. Akira is so fucking good. I think Warner Brothers could only total it.

Plus, I think with America's simple-minded society, it would be dumbed down, and then people who have never seen the original movie, or read the mangas would be less appreciative.

On the other hand...How bad-ass would a well-done live-action Akira movie be?!
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Ozymandias on 21 Feb 2008, 18:07
Warner Brothers set to ruin everything forever
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: De_El on 21 Feb 2008, 18:09
Oh they've already done that. It's just that the extent of the ruin is revealed slowly.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Calaveth on 22 Feb 2008, 04:10
This can't end well.

New Manhattan? WTF over?
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: KharBevNor on 22 Feb 2008, 04:59
Possible upsides:

1) two films would allow them an adaptation of the manga plot that actually makes sense.
2) splosions

Definite downsides:

1) To make an adaptation of the manga plot that makes sense would require masses of metaphysical meanderings about the nature of time, consciousness, entropy etc. that they won't include.
2) The morphing effects will look shit. Can you imagine seeing someone turn into a giant mutant cyber-baby via CGI? Yeah, precisely.
3) They will hire Linkin Park to do the soundtrack.
4) It will suck.

Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Feb 2008, 05:27
 :cry:

That is my anime geek inside me.  He is cutting his wrists right now.  I love the original Akira movie.  I really hope it doesn't turn into some Shonen-Jump shitfest (save for a couple).
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Muskrat121 on 22 Feb 2008, 06:24
It's really hard not to get excited about the prospect of a live action Akira.

But it is also hard not to be aprehensive.  If they're setting it in a different city, I shutter to think of what else they'd change.  They'd probably do something stupid, like change the names and "Americanize" it to get all the teeny bopers interested.

Khar made a good point though...they probably will get Linkin Park to do the soundtrack...

Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: tomselleck69 on 22 Feb 2008, 09:31
Wow, this project's moving along fast! They just released the cast list:

Kaneda - Laurence Oliviertm (CG-composited from unused footage from Spartacus, Marathon Man and The Boys From Brazil)
Tetsuo - Michael Cera
Kei - Judi Dench
Ryu - Martin Lawrence
The Colonel - Andre 3000
The Doctor - Mike Myers (highland scottish accent)
Akira - Mike Myers (glasgow accent + fat suit)
Old Kid #25 - Whoopi Goldberg
Old Kid #26 - Bobcat Goldthwait
Old Kid #27 - Tom Sizemore
Bartender - Ryan Reynolds (with CG abs)
Yama - Mo'Nique
Kai - Queen Latifah

Joel Silver is attached as producer (he says Alan Moore loves the script!!!) and Paul W.S. Anderson will be directing.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Feb 2008, 09:39
Micheal Cera as Tetsuo???

"Uh, hi.  Do you mind if I like, try to break out of this place?  There's something weird with my head and- OH JESUS I BLEW THEM UP WITH MY MIND."
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Ozymandias on 22 Feb 2008, 10:26
Oh GOD

You're a bad man.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 Feb 2008, 10:30
It's good being the only person I know who thought the Akira anime was an absolute load of shit to begin with. I don't have to cry over this.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: singeivoire on 22 Feb 2008, 10:44
I'm with you, I never did figure out what was so awe inspiring about the film. The first time I saw it, I realized about 2/3 of the way through that I had NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON.

And then I stopped watching.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 22 Feb 2008, 11:16
yeah, i don't really care if hollywood ruins this. i mean, i'll be kind of bummed because i did enjoy Akira but it wasn't amazing or anything.

as long as hollywood doesn't try to make Ghost In The Shell, i don't really give a shit.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: BootsyMarie on 22 Feb 2008, 11:19
So many nay-sayers. Akira is pretty fucking awesome. It's just more-so if you bothered with the mangas at all.

Plus, it takes a few watches to completely understand.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 Feb 2008, 11:59
I HATE that mentality. If something needs to be watched more than once to be understood, whoever made it fucked up.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: bryanthelion on 22 Feb 2008, 12:05
I like that mentality actually. It makes the movie more re-watchable.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 Feb 2008, 12:16
I think you're mixing up the difference between "need to watch it more than once" and "is enjoyable upon repeated viewings."

There is no upside to a movie being so inpenetrable that you either need to watch it repeatedly or delve into another source material to enjoy. That is, bluntly speaking, the mark of a shitty movie.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: BootsyMarie on 22 Feb 2008, 12:45
I HATE that mentality. If something needs to be watched more than once to be understood, whoever made it fucked up.


...Or you just didn't understand.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: singeivoire on 22 Feb 2008, 13:08
I think what bugged me was that I didn't understand the movie, and I didn't care.

Usually, I'm cool with incomprehensible films  - hurrah for ambiguity and all that. With Akira, though, I didn't get it, and I didn't have the slightest desire to dig deeper into the world in order to figure it out. I didn't find it compelling or even coherent.

It just wasn't my thing. Good animation, though.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 Feb 2008, 13:24
...Or you just didn't understand.

Apparently, neither did you...

Plus, it takes a few watches to completely understand.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: tomselleck69 on 22 Feb 2008, 15:39
You're a bad man.
What I am is bad at being a bad man. In retrospect, my post doesn't quite cut to the core of the despicable, soulless Hollywood remake trend as I had hoped it would---because goddamnit now I want to see Michael Cera as Tetsuo and all the supporting characters as sassy black ladies. I didn't realize it but I pretty much wrote out the cast of my dream movie.

I think you're mixing up the difference between "need to watch it more than once" and "is enjoyable upon repeated viewings."

There is no upside to a movie being so inpenetrable that you either need to watch it repeatedly or delve into another source material to enjoy. That is, bluntly speaking, the mark of a shitty movie.
Hallelujah! I think there are grey areas accommodating movies that, if not completely clear the first time around, are at least entertaining, and the re-watching is not so much a chore as an extension of the entertainment. Something like Memento, maybe. But yeah, if enjoying something is contingent upon thoroughly decoding it... well, fuck that shit.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Alex C on 22 Feb 2008, 15:47
Actually, as far as th
Wow, this project's moving along fast! They just released the cast list:

Kaneda - Laurence Oliviertm (CG-composited from unused footage from Spartacus, Marathon Man and The Boys From Brazil)
Tetsuo - Michael Cera
Kei - Judi Dench
Ryu - Martin Lawrence
The Colonel - Andre 3000
The Doctor - Mike Myers (highland scottish accent)
Akira - Mike Myers (glasgow accent + fat suit)
Old Kid #25 - Whoopi Goldberg
Old Kid #26 - Bobcat Goldthwait
Old Kid #27 - Tom Sizemore
Bartender - Ryan Reynolds (with CG abs)
Yama - Mo'Nique
Kai - Queen Latifah

Joel Silver is attached as producer (he says Alan Moore loves the script!!!) and Paul W.S. Anderson will be directing.

WTF? Michael Cera? They couldn't go the extra mile and get Shia LaBeouf!?
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 Feb 2008, 16:28
Hallelujah! I think there are grey areas accommodating movies that, if not completely clear the first time around, are at least entertaining, and the re-watching is not so much a chore as an extension of the entertainment. Something like Memento, maybe. But yeah, if enjoying something is contingent upon thoroughly decoding it... well, fuck that shit.

Precisely. A movie shouldn't require multiple viewings to get one's value out of it. If I rent a 2 1/2 hour movie, I want to invest 2 1/2 hours into it, not 5 to 7 1/2 hours. If I want something that requires a deep and analytical process, I will read a book. I don't mind being made to think, but watching a movie shouldn't feel like work.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: BootsyMarie on 22 Feb 2008, 16:46
...Or you just didn't understand.

Apparently, neither did you...

Plus, it takes a few watches to completely understand.


Yeah. I still think it was amazing. I just hate it when people write stuff off as shit because they didn't understand it.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 Feb 2008, 17:18
I didn't write it off as shit because I didn't understand it. I've sat through it on three separate occasions at the urging of friends who liked it. I still thought it was overrated shit. Now, care to keep your presumptions to yourself and just take me at my word that I did not care for the film?
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: KvP on 22 Feb 2008, 17:19
I thought Akira the film was a pile of wank, but I'm assured by friends that the manga actually makes sense because of the benefit of added length.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 Feb 2008, 17:23
Such is generally the case with a lot of anime. This is probably why I typically hate anime.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: bryanthelion on 22 Feb 2008, 18:02
I understood it after like, 2 watchings.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Alex C on 22 Feb 2008, 18:10
I like the visuals, but overall I agree with Kid van Pervert. The Akira film (haven't read the manga) comes across as a picture that can't decide if it wants to be about the background setting and metaphysics or about character development, and hence fails to adequately address either. I think it could benefit from having some of the metaphysical themes and background information stripped away so it can be reduced to more of a sci-fi character study of Kaneda and Tetsuo's apparently tense relationship and the impact it has on their eventual conflict. I realize that the manga purists would likely jump down my throat for wanting to dumb the film down, (which is true, even if I do view it through rose colored glasses and think of it as more of a salvage attempt) but I really do think the movie's too damn long for its own good yet apparently too short to do the all of the manga's themes justice, so why even try to cram in shit like the Colonel's coup when there's already an awful lot going on in the movie?
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: BootsyMarie on 22 Feb 2008, 18:21
I didn't write it off as shit because I didn't understand it. I've sat through it on three separate occasions at the urging of friends who liked it. I still thought it was overrated shit. Now, care to keep your presumptions to yourself and just take me at my word that I did not care for the film?

you said "neither did you" before. you agreed with me. and now take it back for the sake of argument.

for the sake of assholery, i'm going to have to say i really dont give a shit whether or not you enjoyed it.

just that taking shit sucks worse than dishing it out?

=p
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Johnny C on 22 Feb 2008, 19:02
There is no upside to a movie being so impenetrable that you either need to watch it repeatedly or delve into another source material to enjoy. That is, bluntly speaking, the mark of a shitty movie.

Not a big Lynch fan, I wager?
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 Feb 2008, 19:10
Ah, fuck it. I ain't gonna bother arguing with a troll.

Not a big Lynch fan, I wager?

I can't honestly say I'm sure what you're referring to, so clearly not. I just find it to be hard to justify a movie being good if it can't be enjoyable the first time you watch it. If I don't like a movie the first time through, why would I go back to it?
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Alex C on 22 Feb 2008, 19:14
David Lynch; Mulholland Drive, Twin Peaks, Eraserhead etc.


And uh, Dune.

Let's not talk about Dune.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: bryanthelion on 22 Feb 2008, 19:29
I didn't write it off as shit because I didn't understand it. I've sat through it on three separate occasions at the urging of friends who liked it. I still thought it was overrated shit. Now, care to keep your presumptions to yourself and just take me at my word that I did not care for the film?

you said "neither did you" before. you agreed with me. and now take it back for the sake of argument.

for the sake of assholery, i'm going to have to say i really dont give a shit whether or not you enjoyed it.

just that taking shit sucks worse than dishing it out?

=p

If you dont care about Obsession's post (Which you should, because he's a great poster) then leave!
I just find it hilarious how you put it into your head that, just because someone doesn't like the movie, means that he didn't get it.

With the maturity and intellectual levels of your posts, I'm surprised YOU get it.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Lines on 22 Feb 2008, 19:32
Boosty, stop being a jerk when someone disagrees with you. Akira is one of those films you either get or you don't. I didn't get it. Jon didn't get it. Hooray for you for being able to watch it multiple times and finally being able to understand it. Some people don't want to do that. Get over it.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 22 Feb 2008, 19:43
I watched Akira a while ago and I honestly wasn't very impressed. I don't mind some anime and I'm a big sci-fi nerd but it just really wasn't interesting. All this talk of people not "getting it" is pretty irrelevant. I don't think the filmmakers "got it" in the first place. I haven't read the manga and I don't plan to but I really hope it is better than that awful and pretentious film. It tried to be the kind of film you have to watch more than once to understand. It, to me, was genuinly boring. I couldn't even pretend to like it and the point of me watching it was that I was trying to bed a certain lady who thought it was the best film ever.

If I have learned anything from Akira it is that if I have to watch it to sleep with you, I should just assume that you are a crap shag.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: BootsyMarie on 22 Feb 2008, 20:19
I didn't write it off as shit because I didn't understand it. I've sat through it on three separate occasions at the urging of friends who liked it. I still thought it was overrated shit. Now, care to keep your presumptions to yourself and just take me at my word that I did not care for the film?

you said "neither did you" before. you agreed with me. and now take it back for the sake of argument.

for the sake of assholery, i'm going to have to say i really dont give a shit whether or not you enjoyed it.

just that taking shit sucks worse than dishing it out?

=p

If you dont care about Obsession's post (Which you should, because he's a great poster) then leave!
I just find it hilarious how you put it into your head that, just because someone doesn't like the movie, means that he didn't get it.

With the maturity and intellectual levels of your posts, I'm surprised YOU get it.

Did you miss my point? I was trying to say that REGARDLESS of what asshole thought of the movie, I was going to be a dick about it. Pay attention.

Furthermore, he has said MULTIPLE TIMES that he did not get the movie the first time! PAY ATTENTION!


This is the most frustrating thing ever! Everybody jumps the fuck in and starts getting all presumptuous, and misinterprets everything I say. You fuckers wanna talk about maturity? Talk about the guy who has to fucking call me a troll because he can't present a reasonable argument.

One fucking comment and dickhead is all over it like white on rice.

Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 22 Feb 2008, 20:36
Actually you haven't really presented a great argument yourself. I'm really unclear what you are trying to say. Here is what I've managed to glean, am I right?

You're disregarding 0bessions' opinions and going to act like a fuckwit.

You think 0bsessions said that he doesn't like Akira because he doesn't get it whereas he actually said that he doesn't like it because he doesn't like movies that have to be watched multiple times before they are enjoyable.

Seriously is that what you are saying?
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: bryanthelion on 22 Feb 2008, 20:36
Go away marie, just... go.

You are the Omarosa to my Piers.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 Feb 2008, 20:39
Wow. If that's the PG-13 cut, I really don't wanna know what was said BEFORE the edit.

Edit: As a side note, don't even bother, guys. Really, she's clearly not about making friends and playing into this slippery slope is only going to make us all look bad.

What I'm trying to say is: be excellent.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: BootsyMarie on 22 Feb 2008, 20:40
Actually you haven't really presented a great argument yourself. I'm really unclear what you are trying to say. Here is what I've managed to glean, am I right?

You're disregarding 0bessions' opinions and going to act like a fuckwit.

You think 0bsessions said that he doesn't like Akira because he doesn't get it whereas he actually said that he doesn't like it because he doesn't like movies that have to be watched multiple times before they are enjoyable.

Seriously is that what you are saying?

Reread the conversation a couple times.


Anywho. You know you're all pretty capable of having a casual conversation but every time I go to say something that fucking prick has something smart to say, so yes. I am going to be very much of an immature asshole back. However, I don't see why it should hinder the main conversation, as it was a sub-argument and a personal bias against a specific user.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: bryanthelion on 22 Feb 2008, 20:41
Personal bias no good.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 22 Feb 2008, 20:41
Ok cool, I was curious.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Inlander on 22 Feb 2008, 20:45
EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP AND CHILL THE FUCK OUT.

I don't care if you think someone's made a weak argument. I don't care if you think they're stupid. I don't care if you think their opinion is wrong. None of these things are excuses to act like dickheads. If you feel it's your prerogative to jump down somebody's throat because you've decided you don't like them very much, then get the hell out of this forum until you've learned how to behave like a mature and sensible human being. There is nothing in this thread that has warranted the kind of abuse that's flying around. By all means, disagree with people and debate and discuss things with them, but do so in a helpful and constructive manner. Otherwise you're just another bastard slowly suffocating the forum in a rising tide of arseholery.

If you're going to act like children, I'm going to have to treat you like children: give me ten posts, consecutive, in this thread that don't contain even a skerrick of personal abuse of your fellow forumites, or I'm going to lock this fucker down.

EDIT: Jimmy, because you posted while I was writing this, thanks for being chill, bro!
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 Feb 2008, 20:46
That was SUPPOSED to be a PM to Harry. Blah!
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Hat on 22 Feb 2008, 20:50
Guys what is so hard to get about Akira? Some guys are on motorbikes and then some guy has insane powers and then he turns into a giant blob thing and some weird shit happens.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

I don't get this whole "you shouldn't need to watch a movie more than once to understand the basic premise of a movie" argument when the basic premise of this movie is "WEIRD SHIT HAPPENS"
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: bryanthelion on 22 Feb 2008, 20:52
the blue kids was a cool idea...
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Ozymandias on 22 Feb 2008, 20:55
I don't understand Akira.

Looks cool, though. Amazing imagery that Americans, at least, had never seen before in their movies. It's not hard to see how it inspired a whole generation of animators and filmmakers.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Johnny C on 22 Feb 2008, 21:04
Unfortunately for everyone in this thread there is already a live action remake, and it's fucking awesome (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jzSh_MLNcY).
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Alex C on 22 Feb 2008, 21:23
See, what's artful about the last post was that I kept thinking "Wait, am I about to get Rick Rolled?" as I scrolled over the link and then it turned out to be topical while still leaving me feeling like I had been Rick Rolled. Except I actually kinda like that video. Well played.

*slow claps*
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Johnny C on 22 Feb 2008, 21:37
Johnny C for Forum Moderator '08.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: imapiratearg on 22 Feb 2008, 21:41
So, wait, Daft Punk should do the soundtrack for the new Akira film?

Also, as much as Kayne West annoys me, I liked that Daft Punk song before he did the collab/remix thing.  That was a cool video.  Definitely an homage to Akira.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: sean on 22 Feb 2008, 21:57
Johnny C for Forum Moderator '08.

Johnny C get off my internets.

... oh wait I need to say something constructive. Uh...

I have not seen Akira, so therefore I have been unable to formulate a well defined opinion on the subject matter.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: bryanthelion on 23 Feb 2008, 14:55
I just watched Steamboy.

It was a "meh" film.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: JJXB on 26 Feb 2008, 02:11
NO. NO. NO. I enjoyed it and i don't think it deserves to be ruined. it's bad enough death note was remade into 2 films that ended up being crap.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: KharBevNor on 26 Feb 2008, 05:11
It's really not surprising that the film version of Akira feels incomplete and somewhat confusing. The manga is getting on for 3000 A4 pages in length and has a complex enough plot to require a dramatis personae. Metaphysical exposition that takes up half of volume four is crunched down into about two minutes in the prison (and even then they don't have time to get into entropy), and the scientific speculation on the nature of the Akira effect is rendered down to a single line uttered by the chief scientist before he is crushed.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Skyrocket on 26 Feb 2008, 17:50
NO. NO. NO. I enjoyed it and i don't think it deserves to be ruined. it's bad enough death note was remade into 2 films that ended up being crap.

Even if the live action version sucks nothing is going to change in the animated version. I really don't see crappy adaptations as being a threat to the original source material.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Alex C on 26 Feb 2008, 18:32
I think Akira's a touch long, more than anything-- I can accept "WEIRD SHIT HAPPENS!" as a movie premise, as long as you concentrate on the weird shit and a couple of strong characterizations. It's just when they keep injecting rather incomplete and subsequently pointless background information into the proceedings that the movie really loses my attention. As I said before, I think a firmer emphasis on the friendship/rivalry between the oblivious Kaneda and the passive-aggressive Tetsuo followed by jumping straight to balls-to-the-wall weirdness and climactic ending with some of the more pointless exposition removed would have made for a tighter movie, and I don't think it would really have lost much because the movie is remembered for it's excellent animation and art direction more than anything.

It's understating things a bit to say that it was American audiences who were unused to such visuals-- Akira was a highly polished effort by any standard, with over a 150,000 cells of animation and it was one of the few Japanese projects (maybe even the first? I forget) in which voice actors were recorded first with the animation produced to fit the voices instead of vice versa-- it may be standard procedure in many American productions and Disney in particular, but in Japan the prohibitive cost made the stereotypical poor dubbing one of the many cost cutting maneuvers that contributed to an overall lower standard of animation. That's not to denigrate the artists, mind you, but the fact of the matter is that most animation studios simply didn't have the budget for the kind of polished effort you'd see from a Disney or Don Bluth project of the same era, so Akira really was something of a coming out party.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: KvP on 26 Feb 2008, 19:35
I remember that as a child, watching Akira, I mostly hated it because of Tetsuo's girlfriend getting humiliated/punched by the gang and then getting crushed inside of Tetsuo. That really bothered me. It still does, but the muddled nature of the nature is also annoying.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Ikrik on 21 Mar 2008, 23:42
I'm going to say that it's going to be terrible right off the bat.  After seeing trailers for Speed Racer which is going to be pretty much exactly like Spiderman 3 (great graphics, shitty movie) I don't have high hopes for any "anime" movie being remade.  Have they just run out of J-horror films to rip off? I watched A Tale of Two Sister and three days later I heard that it was being remade. Exact same thing happened to me with Shutter.  The fact that they want to remake Akira is....ehh.  And personally I love Michael Cera but he's not a punk kid...he's awkward.  At least it's not being made by Uwe Boll.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Ozymandias on 22 Mar 2008, 12:06
^ I've said it a thousand times.

Speed Racer looks awesome and it's based on a shitty anime to begin with.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: LeeZion on 22 Mar 2008, 20:07
It's really hard not to get excited about the prospect of a live action Akira.

But it is also hard not to be aprehensive.  If they're setting it in a different city, I shutter to think of what else they'd change.  They'd probably do something stupid, like change the names and "Americanize" it to get all the teeny bopers interested.


When Akira was first released in the United States, "Ryu" was called "Roy." And KA-neh-da was renamed Kuh-NAY-da, so as not to confuse people who might here his name as "Canada."
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: est on 18 May 2008, 23:15
Most Manga movies shit me.  Everyone talks about how awesome and complex they are, then I go watch them and feel like I've just sat through one of the latter movies in the Matrix trilogy.  That is to say that the "really deep philosophical stuff" in it is total fucking bullshit scratching-the-surface junk that high school and college students talk about when they are stoned and think they are discussing matters no-one has ever talked about before when in reality it's about as basic as it fucking gets.

On top of that everything is usually ripped off pretty much wholesale from other places, the characterisations are shallow as shit, the misogyny is rampant, the plot is either overly-convoluted or non-existent and the main star is usually a Mary-Sue of some degree, pulling Deus Ex Machina out of their ass hand over fist in the final act.

I'm sure there are exceptions to this, but even movies I found fun to watch like Ninja Scroll and the Studio Ghibli stuff I've seen suffer from most of these problems and (to me at least) the animation looks fairly crap.

Are they fun movies?  Sure!  Are they epic masterpieces?  Fuck that and fuck you!
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Boro_Bandito on 18 May 2008, 23:30
You really felt like necroing just to say that? Was there something on Gabbly?

All in all, I agree that Akira is not a masterpiece on really any level. But based upon the very thing you just said I think its better than a lot. The storyline to me was always a bit muddled, but I managed to get caught up in the movie because I like the pacing, and I like the music, at least whatever music is in the version I have. I just sorta like watching it every now and then for the moments of badassery, of which there are plenty. Deep? No.

It wasn't as bad as that one live action movie about the giant lizard/amphibian thing and the quarantined city and shit that came out a while back. Really, it was like watching a really shitty anime, only with real people and a badly rendered monster.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: MadassAlex on 19 May 2008, 01:42
Akira is a masterpiece in the same way that Black Sabbath's self-titled is.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: est on 19 May 2008, 03:19
I necro'd it because there was a link elsewhere and because I didn't pay attentions!
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Jackie Blue on 19 May 2008, 03:54
Well est, I think you suffer from "I have only seen a few anime films therefore I will make vast sweeping generalisations about the entire genre" syndrome.

It's pretty common, given that until extremely recently only the lowest-common-denominator anime and live-action Japanese films have been officially translated and widely distributed.

That doesn't make it any less ignorant, but at least you have a reasonable excuse for said ignorance.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Sox on 19 May 2008, 05:31
I have seen hundreds of anime films, and dozens of anime series. I agree with Est. Except for that part about the animation being poor, that one was a pretty bad generalisation.

I just watched Steamboy.

It was a "meh" film.

This is also bullshit. Visually, Steamboy was a masterpiece.

While I'm still on the topic of Steamboy..
I think that as a standalone movie, it's fantastic. Lots of people have said to me that it had a poor story, poor characters and no depth. When challenged to bring up a better anime, they could only think of series and franchises. Honestly, saying Steamboy is terrible because you're unable to compare it to Evangelion or something is pretty ridiculous. I like that it skips the "really deep philosophical stuff" that is actually "scratching the surface junk". You might disagree and tell me about how it's a harsh criticism on the nature of man, greed, war, weapons manufacture and misuse of technology, but honestly, all that stuff was just touched upon either as a plot device or a character's motivation. I think it was great because not only did it look fantastic, but it avoided the pseudo-philosophical crap that plagues the majority of anime.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Boro_Bandito on 19 May 2008, 09:40
Animation improves with the budget and the year of release, simple as that. I've seen anime on both sides of the spectrum. Of course, bad animation is everywhere. Scooby Doo people.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 20 May 2008, 08:44
I kind of like anime. I don't think it's the most amazing thing ever, even if I was in the Anime Club at uni, but it's not without its merits. Not as a genre as a whole but certain films or series are pretty reasonable. I think the art varies from film to film (the original Vampire Hunter D doesn't hold up to Ghost in the Shell for instance) and I definitely don't try to read too much into the philosophy behind any of the films because I find the people who do that kind of thing to be insufferable wankers (http://xkcd.com/104/). All in all it's pretty reasonable as the animation tends to improve as the years pass (Vampre Hunter D: Bloodlust is fucking awesome) but it isn't the be all and end all of animation.

That said, turning Akira, which was a really silly film regardless of how amazing the manga was, into a Live Action Film is a terrible mistake. Look at Speed Racer.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Ozymandias on 20 May 2008, 09:54
Speed Racer the show was terrible to begin with and I continue to be in awe that no one understands that it translated to film perfectly for how terrible it was.

There are good anime, though. I haven't actually found many anime movies I like, but there are several TV shows that I genuinely enjoy, like Paranoia Agent, Ghost in the Shell: SAC, and Cowboy Bebop, none of which involve giant robots, schoolgirls, or 30 episodes of nothing happening,
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: De_El on 20 May 2008, 13:17
How giant does a 'bot have to be to be considered a "giant robot"? GitS: SAC has some pretty large 'uns.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Ozymandias on 20 May 2008, 13:49
The Tachikomas are not giant robots and, also, they are adorable. Fight you.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Ikrik on 20 May 2008, 14:48
The Tachikomas are not giant robots and, also, they are adorable. Fight you.

They are pretty big......and adorable......Fight you.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: KickThatBathProf on 20 May 2008, 16:21
Hmmm...if I remember correctly, they were about the size of a small car (http://www.geocities.com/ghostintheshell_t/tachikoma-action.jpg)...and adorable...Fight you
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: De_El on 21 May 2008, 23:00
*scratches head* Is that all at me? Because OMG the tachikomas were really super cute and fascinating. I was just poking fun at your dislike for giant robots, because I happen to like a couple of shows that feature them.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 22 May 2008, 11:19
FLCL is all you ever need to know about giant robots
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: KickThatBathProf on 22 May 2008, 12:37
*scratches head* Is that all at me? Because OMG the tachikomas were really super cute and fascinating. I was just poking fun at your dislike for giant robots, because I happen to like a couple of shows that feature them.

Just the first "fight you"
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: DoubleAW on 22 May 2008, 19:58
FLCL is all you ever need to know about giant robots

A live action FLCL would be so trippy.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: brandon_ha on 29 Jun 2008, 12:47
For those of you who have yet to experience the wonders of Akira i present you with a google video link containing the film in its entirety.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2402751682668296100&q=akira&ei=neVnSMKUNJ_I-wHqmYnzDg

Set aside some time, make some popcorn and enjoy.


All I can say is that if its done right I will be inline for the dvd. If it turns out horrible though, I wont be surprised.
Title: Re: Warner Brothers set to make new Akira
Post by: brandon_ha on 29 Jun 2008, 13:51
See, what's artful about the last post was that I kept thinking "Wait, am I about to get Rick Rolled?" as I scrolled over the link and then it turned out to be topical while still leaving me feeling like I had been Rick Rolled. Except I actually kinda like that video. Well played.

*slow claps*

I agree, for the most part, except that because of that video, every time I play "Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger" at my high school  I get some dip shit coming up and saying that Kanyes so awesome for writing that.