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Comic Discussion => QUESTIONABLE CONTENT => Topic started by: Blackcat Moebius on 27 Feb 2008, 17:42
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Here's a theory to toss out for discussion:
When Dora finds out about Faye/Sven, she may be jealous. Of Sven.
She has said that one of her insecurities was/is being less popular than Sven (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=562). She didn't say 'less popular with girls,' but that could easily be part of it.
She recently confirmed that she is attracted to girls (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1047).
And she's been flirting with Faye for a long time. (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=117) (the first of many instances.... also note Jeph's comment in the newspost.)
Her reaction might end up being, 'dammit, he stole another one!'
An extrapolation of the same idea (although I think this one isn't very likely, only possible):
Dora seems awfully hung up on the notion that she was/is Marten's second choice.
Maybe she's projecting hidden feelings of her own onto Marten? Maybe Marten was/is Dora's second choice... with her first choice being Faye?
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Aside from being openly bi, I can't really think of any situations where Dora has shown a direct open attraction to Faye. There may be something, but I just can't remember it. Also, her moves on Marten were a little to direct and quick to suggest that he would be the second choice. I get the feeling that Dora wants to be in a relationship with a man, but also likes fooling around with girls. Kind of like my girlfriend :wink:
Still, interesting theory though. Made me stop and think.
I've been doing a lot of thinking on how Dora/Marten will react and I keep flip floping on ideas. I think I'm just going to sit back and wait for things to unfold. Then probably get mad because it won't go the way I wanted/expected it to. :-P
...hopefully I won't be waiting too long...
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Wow. That's a really interesting theory. It has potential to be true too.
And maybe Dora's moves on Marten were direct and quick because she already knew that she wouldn't be able to have Faye. I don't know. Just another way to look at it.
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I think that maybe you're thinking this through a little too much... But then again, maybe you're right on the money. Time will tell, I suppose.
Dora seems like she really really cares about Marten, even more so than Faye. Friendship-wise, I mean. Somehow I doubt he was a second choice.
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Aside from being openly bi, I can't really think of any situations where Dora has shown a direct open attraction to Faye. There may be something, but I just can't remember it.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=140
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=415
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=416
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=708
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=747
I suppose you could say she's 'just kidding around' in any of these... but you could say that about all the times she flirted with Marten, too.
I think that maybe you're thinking this through a little too much...
I was bored at work. 8-)
But then again, maybe you're right on the money. Time will tell, I suppose.
Yeah, it's unlikely. But if Jeph does go this way, I get to yell 'CALLED IT!' :laugh:
Dora seems like she really really cares about Marten, even more so than Faye. Friendship-wise, I mean. Somehow I doubt he was a second choice.
She might be equally attracted to either....
or maybe she's hoping for both (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=305). (In that last panel, she looks genuinely disappointed).
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I'd just like to point out that my place over here is very comfortable :-P
I really hope tomorrows comic has some sort of development. Either that or some realllllly good antics.
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Blackcat Moebius, one more:
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=146
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Dora won't react. In fact, she'll fall into a coma, thus setting up a new storyline.
"WAKE UP DORA! WAKE UP!"
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Damn, I thought this thread would be about the science of Doratron interactions with Fayetrinos.
I like the thinking though. Well, apart from the coma.
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H'mm. Here's a comic that suggests that Dora might not mind so much about a Sven-Faye relationship:
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=690
Amazing, really. This webcomic has us quoting passages like Talmudic scholars.
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H'mm. Here's a comic that suggests that Dora might not mind so much about a Sven-Faye relationship:
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=690
Amazing, really. This webcomic has us quoting passages like Talmudic scholars.
Thank you Reynolds, was waiting for someone to bring up that comic. Not that any of this will probably matter since Faye seems to only think of this as a one-night (and twice in the morning) stand. Which is a bummer cause that will slow down the plot development and I was looking forward to Sven getting a girl thats actually good for him.
Oh and nice call on all the passage quoting. Though being of German descent I had to wiki Talmudic.
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H'mm. Here's a comic that suggests that Dora might not mind so much about a Sven-Faye relationship:
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=690
Amazing, really. This webcomic has us quoting passages like Talmudic scholars.
Wouldn't be the weirdest way to start a religion. Not by a long shot.
"You two are NOT tag-teaming my brother....And I really wish that was the first time I've had to tell that to a couple girls."
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So, after one too many "It was all a mistake." gut-punches from Faye, Sven goes crying to Raven. One thing leads to another, and of course, right afterwards Faye walks in on them.
One panel of shocked silence, then:
Faye: "Oh, what the hell, move over you two."
(This board really needs a fanfic subforum. Except, Jeph's head would explode.)
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I don't really see Sven getting that upset over Faye's 'guy I barely even know/big mistake don't even like him that much' type comments, whether she means them or not. Remember, Sven's used to generally rough treatment from the women he's been with. If he can deal with destruction of his property (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=531), Vespavenger/raccoon attacks (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=685), and plate-hurling Canadians (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=943), I doubt Faye's denials will faze him that much.
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who knows, perhaps Faye's denials will hurt more - if he has feelings for Faye, then her denying feelings for him would definitely hurt. Most of what we've seen of Sven's exs, they were using him for sex as much as he was using them.
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I can't see this being true at all, sorry.
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Seriously, there is no way of knowing what is going on in Jeph's mind. These threads are like magic 8 balls, and all we know, 99.99999% (rounded up) is that it will get ROUGH!
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Yeah...right.
Dora: "I know. We all know. It's been obvious to everyone for weeks. Everyone but you, ditz. Now stop all this 'Hurrr, it's all a mistake' shit before you break my brother's heart!"
Yeah, nobody but Jeph himself knows what he's got planned for this. That just means it could go in any direction the backstory could reasonably support. Including the above.
We'll probably have some kind of hint a few hours from now, so, F5ing it.
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Guilt.
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Exactly. Will Dora feel like she pushed Faye into something bad?
Of course she's not responsible for Faye's choices but that might not stop her from feeling bad.
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Guilt might not be the most rational choice, but that's not stopped Dora before.
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Also, fear about Marty's reaction.
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My theory is she might find some relief in it. She HAS shown insecurity of losing Marten to Faye. Sven largely puts that fear to rest, if him and Faye have a lasting bond.
If nothing else, a silver lining.
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On the other hand, if Sven and Faye don't have a lasting bond, then the net result in Dora's eyes may be that Faye is 'back in play' - making her more likely to go after Marten.
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On the other hand, if Sven and Faye don't have a lasting bond, then the net result in Dora's eyes may be that Faye is 'back in play' - making her more likely to go after Marten.
Still, she DID finally get laid. That might help a little to help her move on.
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One wonders if spending most of the day in bed with Marty will put her in a better mood to more or less shrug off distressing news. There is the whole relationship between sexual frustration and emontional angst to consider.
By my experience most folks are far mellower post-coitus.
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You're lucky; you've never hooked up with a weeper.
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You're lucky; you've never hooked up with a weeper.
Yeah I know what you mean.... Girls are ALWAYS crying after having sex with me.
Which is wierd cause usually they are laughing hysterically 5 minutes prior when I am taking my pants off.
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You know... I can see two causes for that scenario. Neither is pretty.
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Well, now we have a hint for Dora's eventual reaction. Plus, everyone who thought maybe it wouldn't be Hanners who spilled the beans? Poo on you, you're like dumb.
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Well technically Hanners hasn't quite spilled the beans yet...
All Dora knows is that something is horribly, horribly wrong.
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Then she will probe to find why she feels a disturbance in the force...
RUN SVEN RUN! :-o
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Since Faye is about to tell her anyway, I suggest Jeph doesn't stretch this out much longer.... we betta have a reaction in the next strip :-) but I seriously think, shes gonna be all... "Omg, did u sleep with my brother, is he alright? When's the funeral?" or something... I really can't see her getting all that bugged about them just sleeping together... she isn't all that insecure anyway...
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I think what's also important is Marten's reaction. I think he's going to do what I would do in this situation. He's going to tell Dora that it doesn't bother him, but inside he's going to be one miserable dude. Infact, maybe he decides to start seeing a shrink. Maybe Dr.Corine? Does anyone besides Hanners know that Corine is Faye's doctor? Maybe Corine will turn out to be the only one to know both sides of the story. could be an interesting twist.
Whatever happens though, I seriously do not think it will be good for Dora. Maybe we'll see another, "The Talk" ark.
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I think Marten will be a lot less bothered than you guys are all saying. Maybe not, but I think when you're in a happy and stable relationship it's easier to get over someone, and he'll probably not spend time beating himself up about it. He knows that she's been getting herself sorted out, and it was always clear that it wasn't anything personal to him. Let's face it, if Marten was single it could easily have been him that Faye ended up kissing, although I don't think he's the impulsive-sex type.
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We have Dora's reaction! Let's wait for Marten!
EDIT: What about Raven's reaction? poor her, she will be jealous or envious...
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Haha yes, that foreshadowing has been dragged out a lot. Funnily I never even took it seriously at the time, shows how much I know.
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I think Dora's reaction is definitely wrong. She needs to grow up and realize the world DOESN'T revolve around her.
She may fall back on the old "insecurity" excuse, but she's dealing with someone who has deeper set issues here. Dora needs to learn a little empathy, but not before she takes a long look at herself and realizes what an irrational child she is being. Otherwise she'll just come off like a condescending snatch.
:D
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I agree. Faye finally gets over some of her issues, takes a big step forward, and gets intimate with someone, and all Dora can think about is how its about her.
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I agree. Dora is an evil person and we should hunt her down and kill her. How dare she have an emotional reaction to an unpleasant surprise?
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I repeat: WHAT ABOUT MARTEN, RAVEN AND THE OTHERS?
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"There's only one way to settle this. An eye for an eye!
Hello? How much would a Hartford-Savannah round trip this weekend run me? Albany? Logan?"
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I repeat: WHAT ABOUT MARTEN, RAVEN AND THE OTHERS?
Who? Never heard of them
There is only Faye, Dora, the Sven of Contention, and Penelope who watches and eats.
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Now we have Marten's reaction: happy! Now: Will raven be jealous, envious, or ask for details and worship Faye?
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(This board really needs a fanfic subforum. Except, Jeph's head would explode.)
hmm... interesting idea. but i fear any fanfics i write would never suit there (just google "JJXB fanfic" without the quotes to see what i mean)
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Any thoughts about interactions between Dora and Sven? i.e. how much blood do you think Jeph can draw before it goes from tasteful/artistic to obscene?
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I'm still wondering why Faye/Sven's sex life is ANYONE'S business. Why on earth would she tell either one of them?!?
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Probably because there would be more blood if Dora heard it from a rumor... At least she released the pressure at Faye instead of letting it increase as she hunted for Faye...
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God, Dora needs to fucking grow up! It's really none of her business what Faye and Sven do. They are adults with needs, too. She maybe Sven's sister, but she's not his fucking mother. I'm glad that Marten is actually being mature about this.
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Can I just say that if Dora/Marten ends, it's likely going to be all Dora's 'fault'? (in quotes; breakups are rarely one sided, but you know).
She's been nothing but paranoid this whole relationship.
"I'm second choice!"
"You changed your hair!"
"She did this to hurt you!"
Nothing seems to actually settle her. Personal experience as both the paranoid one and the one who the paranoid one was fussing over (as well as, though only once, the roommate of the boy the paranoid gf was fussing over) just says to me that if this relationship tanks, that's gonna be what it tanks over.
She's *so* highly strung against Marten's laidbackness that eventually, post NRE, she's certain to push too far.
Thes.
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I repeat: WHAT ABOUT MARTEN, RAVEN AND THE OTHERS?
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?? WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN???
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So you're in the "Faye is pregnant" camp?
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In the future, mean-tempered yet totally hot Faye/Sven babies will kick the asses of too-cute emo Dora/Marten babies, FOREVER.
There. I thought of the children. Can I think of something else, now?
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I'm glad even Marten agrees Dora is being a crazy. I look to him as my moral compass [or emotional compass?] when it comes to my outrage at the actions of these fictional characters :P
And even though I think Dora is annoyingly prone to flying off the handle, I hope this isn't a case where she decides to put her foot in it and not back down...or whatever. I would hate to see them break up over this. It would guilt the hell out of everyone :[
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I don't see where Dora gets off being angry. As soon as she found out there would be no Faye/Marten for a LONG time, she was in there snatching him up! The relationship ~WAS~ initiated off of a Dora "cuddlecuddle KISS". If anyone recalls. Dora is the total jerk here. I mean there was really no way to tell how long it was between 'The Talk' and Dora being a total thief and snatching up Marten like that, but I think the official count is 64 strips. Divide, multiply, count with little pieces of kleenex, don't care, just realize that it would make it only 13 weeks. Four Months. Obviously not even that long because we're in comic land.
The end of "The Talk" was #509. Dora plants a kiss on Marten in #564. From 509 to 564 only 48 hours (QC time) elapsed, as explicitly spelled out by Faye in this strip (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=568). All parties involved did agree that Dora was moving with indecorous haste. 8-)
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According to this timeline (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,17911.0.html) it's been three weeks (at least) since Marten and Dora hooked up.
I think Dora's just crazy. A big ole bag of crazy.
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I now dub Dora the Princess of Illogical Actions!
She says that, to her, Faye having sex with Sven to get back at her and Marten makes more sense then wanting to have sex with somebody just for the sake of it. What world is Dora living in, a dramatic opera? Frankly I don't see this relationship lasting much longer...I use to date someone who also frequently paranoid like Dora, resistant to reassurance like Dora, and is someone who I'm no longer dating either. You can try to soothe and reassure and relax people like Dora all you want but they're not going to believe it because they don't want to believe it.
Kudos to you, Marten, for being the sensible one in the relationship.
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According to this timeline (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,17911.0.html) it's been three weeks (at least) since Marten and Dora hooked up.
I think Dora's just crazy. A big ole bag of crazy.
That's possible, but considering how the characters have developed (Faye getting used to Marten being with Dora and getting to know Sven; Dora and Marten getting closer together, having sex, meeting parents) I don't think it's been only three weeks. I mean, it's possible, but I think the characters have developed too much. If it's only been three weeks, then god, these people progress really fast.
Also... I can understand how Dora has felt SOME of the time, as I think some of her irrationality is natural in the early stages of a relationship, but she's definitely gone to far. If she was just overprotective, wouldn't she just be glad that Faye is going after someone other than Marten, and that she's kind of over Marten? It was understandable at first, but now she's really just getting silly.
Blargdorasucks. More Pen-pen and Hanners, less Dora plzkthxbai.
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To sum up my prediction:
1. Marten and Dora will break up.
2. Since Dora is Faye's boss, we should think about her job.
3. Dora's paranoia will push everyone away then she will eventually hopefully realize this.
4. Then everything should go back to Hanners being cute and Pintsize being destructive.
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Then everything should go back to Hanners being cute and Pintsize being destructive.
And Jimbo being drunk.
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Maybe Dora will continue with the crazy and turn into the Joker? A female joker, to be sure.
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Well, I believe she used to be a smoker and a midnight toker, so it is possible. :mrgreen:
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Well, I believe she used to be a smoker and a midnight toker, so it is possible. :mrgreen:
You scoundrel! :P
Also, I think Hannelore was thrown in there today so some of us would feel guilty for completely siding with Faye over Dora. There was a bigger picture here, people! We've obviously overlooked the possibility for weepy cuteness while sating out lust for Dora hatred D:
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Did anyone notice? Marten is touching Hanners. Dude... uncool.
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Touching, but not hugging.
Hanners has been touched a few times without freaking out. Dora brushing her hair in the aftermath of the underwear ninja escapade springs immediately to mind.
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Faye also cut her hair when she chopped it off. Though she mildly freaked out about the cleanliness she relented and did not have a break down.
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Personnaly, I'm going for the angst thing...
remember the arc where Marten had his hair cut and Dora freaked out because she didn't get a say in it?
And she was gonna tell marty about her anxietys later in life...
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Did anyone notice? Marten is touching Hanners.
I bet it's going to go even further than that, if you know what I mean.
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Personnaly, I'm going for the angst thing...
remember the arc where Marten had his hair cut and Dora freaked out because she didn't get a say in it?
And she was gonna tell marty about her anxietys later in life...
I had a similar situation with the hair thing with my ex...only he didn't just cut it...he fucking shaved his head! Oh, wait...he daddy shave his head because obviously he couldn't go to the salon by himself to get it done right. lol He's all like "It's my hair!" and I'm all "Yeah, but I have to look at you!"
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I had a similar situation with the hair thing with my ex...only he didn't just cut it...he fucking shaved his head! Oh, wait...he daddy shave his head because obviously he couldn't go to the salon by himself to get it done right. lol He's all like "It's my hair!" and I'm all "Yeah, but I have to look at you!"
And then there was the yearbook picture...and what were you supposed to tell your grandkids? Heh. :)