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Title: Iron Man
Post by: Faker on 28 Feb 2008, 22:21
New Iron Man Trailer (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=42452)

For the record I have to say this looks like it could kick all kinds of ass!
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: CEOVanilla on 28 Feb 2008, 23:31
Heh. So hope Marvel bulls everywhere (http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2008/02/21/marvel-still-a-screaming-buy.aspx?terms=mvl&vstest=search_042607_linkdefault), apparently. As for myself, I might watch if only because the trailer I saw about a week ago was pretty hilarious with the "I am Iron Man" voice at the end of it. Plus, who can resist what I could only assume to be a defense contracting company's CEO blowing things up? Sounds pretty cool to me. ^_^
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Feb 2008, 07:19
You do realize that that clip is from a song that pretty much everyone in the history of everything has heard before, right?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Muskrat121 on 29 Feb 2008, 09:05
I am of the opinion that this movie will kick large portions of ass.

Comic book movies can go either way, really good, or really bad.  There have been some really good ones (Batman, Superman, Spiderman 1&2, etc) and some really bad ones.

This one though looks like it will be awesome.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 29 Feb 2008, 10:16
i'll see it.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 29 Feb 2008, 10:31
The trailer during Lost last night only made my penis harder.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: ThePQ4 on 29 Feb 2008, 10:59
I am excited for the Iron Man movie! I kinda fell in love with him while I was watching the The Ultimate Avengers cartoon (And have yet to buy the Iron Man one, but I do have Doctor Strange, which was pretty good). But, I like to stay a little out of the blue of what actually happens in the Iron Man comics because then I just set myself up for disappointment.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Johnny C on 29 Feb 2008, 11:23
GOD IS IN HIS HEAVEN AND HE HAS APPARENTLY DELIVERED UNTO US A FUCKING SWEET IRON MAN MOVIE
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: doombilly on 29 Feb 2008, 11:26
It looks to be no Ghost Rider. And there was much rejoicing.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 29 Feb 2008, 11:43
amen
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: CEOVanilla on 29 Feb 2008, 13:01
You do realize that that clip is from a song that pretty much everyone in the history of everything has heard before, right?

If you were talking to me, actually I didn't. ^_^; I don't know much about pop culture.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Feb 2008, 13:13
What in the...seriously. Have you been living under a rock since you were born?! I just. I mean...fucking...words fail me.

No, seriously. You ARE kidding me, right?

It's a song by this band called Black Sabbath. I know they're kind of obscure, but you should consider checking them out some time. They're fronted by some dude, whassit, Norman Osborne? Ozymandias? Guys, someone help me out here. What was his name? The guitarist was pretty good too. His name was Tony Soprano or something.

Edit: Somebody has a clip on youtube (http://youtube.com/watch?v=cwywugjy3BY&feature=related). I swear, this heavy metal thing might just hit it big someday.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Johnny C on 29 Feb 2008, 13:15
I'm kind of at a loss for words.

Kid, check out Paranoid. It might actually change your life.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Feb 2008, 13:20
You know what? Fuck it. I've lost all faith in America. I am going home and killing myself tonight. And I am going to do it while listening to fucking War Pigs.

MY EIGHTY YEAR OLD GRANDMOTHER KNOWS IRON MAN, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!!

Maybe that's just because the song has been around since her fucking son (You know...MY FATHER) was...lemme do the math...fuck me. He was sixteen! My almost 56 year old father was SIXTEEN. How are there still people who have not heard Iron Man?!

Edit: Correction, my dad was eighteen. I was off by two years on Iron Man's release.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Johnny C on 29 Feb 2008, 13:24
Maybe he's like, twelve?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Feb 2008, 13:28
That is so not an excuse. My friend Mike's eight year odl nephew knows the lyrics to that song by heart! The song is in fucking Guitar Hero!

One would literally have to be AVOIDING interaction with humans for a decade plus to not know that song. It's fucking Iron Man!
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: CEOVanilla on 29 Feb 2008, 13:29
I suppose now it is a good time to reveal that I lived in a town of 500 people in the Northern Californian mountains for the first twelve years of my life, and had been homeschooled since the fourth grade until I started college this year. ^_^;
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Feb 2008, 13:32
Without a television OR radio? That's about the only way I will count this as an excuse.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: CEOVanilla on 29 Feb 2008, 13:34
Without a radio, anyway, but our televisions are always either on CNBC, CNN or MSNBC. We only really watch the news.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Feb 2008, 13:38
Man, I don't even know how the fuck to respond to this because every snappy wisecrack I could make is a fucking pop culture reference!!!

Can somebody who watches the news please turn this into a political joke of some sort for me?

(Regardless, I am pretty sure Ozzy Osbourne has to have shown up on CNN at some point)
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Dimmukane on 29 Feb 2008, 13:48
Well, let me put it this way.  You know right when the song and the voice start playing and how awesome the trailer gets from there?  That's what the song is like.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Feb 2008, 13:54
I am 17. My hobbies include the stock markets, finance and video games.

I...I am almost at a loss for words. How does one play video games and not have at least a passing familiarity with Black Sabbath?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: CEOVanilla on 29 Feb 2008, 13:57
Well, I've heard the name of the band before. I've just never listened to any of their music, because I don't generally listen to music unless a friend wants me to. The only band I'm really familiar with at all is the Spirits of Rhythm, because my friend made me listen to an album of theirs. I also reckon it'd depend what type of video games you all play compared to the ones I do.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Johnny C on 29 Feb 2008, 14:00
I do not mean to turn this into an Inquisition but I am consumed by a desire to know how, exactly, you happened upon this here forum.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: CEOVanilla on 29 Feb 2008, 14:04
A buddy of mine from another site directed me here. I can't type his name because I don't know the proper buttons to hit to make it come out, but I'll see if I can't find it and paste it in. öde. He linked me to it, but warned me that I probably wouldn't fit in here very well.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Johnny C on 29 Feb 2008, 14:19
Nah, dude, it's no big thing. We're mostly just used to people knowing Sabbath off by heart so it is huge culture shock to find that people don't listen to 'em as much as we do.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 29 Feb 2008, 14:25
i think it's awesome! we need more culturally unaware people, like myself, here.

so i welcome you, Mr. CEOVanilla.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Feb 2008, 14:27
Wait, wait. This thread gets more confusing by the moment. You mean to tell me that they allow Dan onto other forums?

Okay, my suspension of disbelief can only stretch so far.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Johnny C on 29 Feb 2008, 14:51
He's an assetbar regular. In fact, he has one of the most-chubbied comments (http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/uua46cvkx#comment_27) on the thing.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RobbieOC on 29 Feb 2008, 15:23
Am I allowed to talk about the movie more?

I'm excited to see the evolution of the armor. It looks like they're going to have at least two different sets, and maybe a montage of Tony Stark trying out different ones? Set to the aforementioned Black Sabbath? Please?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 29 Feb 2008, 15:25
yeah, i'm looking forward to seeing the suit in it's various iterations as he tries to find the best possible design.

a montage to "Iron Man" would be pretty awesome, as well.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RobbieOC on 29 Feb 2008, 15:31
I mean, it just seems too obvious not to use. And it's Hollywood, so the obvious is never out of the question.

I also hear that Edward Norton makes a cameo appearance as Bruce Banner, which is awesome, if Marvel is starting to connect their movies that way. Avengers Assemble!
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 29 Feb 2008, 15:40
They're actually planning a full fledged Avengers movie, actually. That was a big part of Marvel forming their own studio (To avoid copyright conflicts). They plan to release separate movies for Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and...Ant Man (Directed Edgar fucking Wright!!!) before getting to it, though.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RobbieOC on 29 Feb 2008, 15:49
If it's the recent Irredeemable Ant-Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irredeemable_Ant-Man), I'm all on board (sorry for the wiki link, but it's the best I could find). Also, about Marvel forming their own studio: good. This makes me believe the movies will be a little closer to the source material, unlike the X-men movies. An Avengers movie makes me excited.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: doombilly on 29 Feb 2008, 18:08
haha, I remember the first time I heard Iron Man (the black sabbath song). It was a RPG. This guy, Paul would play it. I can't remember the game. It was some kind of futuristic game done by the D & D people. It was ummm, 1979 or so. Guessing here. That's about the time I started playing the banjo. I could totally see how people could miss that reference. Without "Paul" it might have been some time before I heard that song. And I cannot remember hearing it in college. But then I h8 on heavy metal. So that might have summat to do with it. Also, I am drinking scotch right now. So this conversation is ON my permanent record. I havbe no idea what that means.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 29 Feb 2008, 20:57
I really hate Iron Man. I've never really enjoyed any of the comics or the cartoon for that matter so I'm not sure how I feel about the movie. That said, I'm still going to go see it because I do really like Robert Downey Jr. and I love comic book movies in general. I guess I really just don't like superheroes that don't have any actual superpowers (Batman is the only real exception; he's basically a ninja) and Stark is basically just a guy in a fancy suit.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Blue Kitty on 29 Feb 2008, 21:09
I am excited for the Iron Man movie! I kinda fell in love with him while I was watching the The Ultimate Avengers cartoon (And have yet to buy the Iron Man one, but I do have Doctor Strange, which was pretty good).

What ever you do, do not get the Iron Man animated movie.  It was terrible, and I want my $3.99 back.

Personally, I can not wait till this movie comes out, then again I have waited anctiously for almost every single Marvel movie (except for Daredevil and Elektra, I stayed as far away as possible from those two)
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 29 Feb 2008, 21:31
I maintain that the Director's Cut of Daredevil was pretty reasonable. It wasn't great but it wasn't the movie equivalent of Ebola that the theatrical version was.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: E. Spaceman on 29 Feb 2008, 21:43
I am undecided on this. On one hand, the trailers look hella sweet. On the other, i really fucking hate Tony Stark
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Blue Kitty on 29 Feb 2008, 22:20
Do you hate current post Civil War Stark, or just Tony Stark in general?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RobbieOC on 29 Feb 2008, 22:54
I hate Tony Stark when he is sober.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: donovangelonardo on 29 Feb 2008, 23:23
well hello there, Iron Monger. 
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: E. Spaceman on 29 Feb 2008, 23:47
i've generally disliked him. I do have to say that Civil War Tony Stark was perhaps the high point of my hatred.

The other day I asked jon if anyone had actually sided with him (in real life, that is), and I was told that many people did! Honestly, what the fuck.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Johnny C on 01 Mar 2008, 00:59
On the other hand, this Tony Stark looks to be just plain badass.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Tom on 01 Mar 2008, 01:29
I have to agree with this.

Wait, is Happy now the token black guy?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: tommydski on 01 Mar 2008, 06:04
Man, I don't even know how the fuck to respond to this because every snappy wisecrack I could make is a fucking pop culture reference!!!

This chap doesn't know a Black Sabbath song.

You can't make a reference not relating to popular culture.

It's a wash.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Border Reiver on 02 Mar 2008, 07:40
Finally saw the trailer for this last night on the Beowulf DVD (best part of the DVD IMO).  Looks like it might be a decent flick.  I've enjoyed many of the Marvel first adaptations, except Daredevil and the Fantastic 4 movies, which sucked.  Spiderman 3 and X3 were lukewarm movies at best).  Robert Downey Jr. is a farilygood choice. - lets see if he can portray an alcholic womanizer, of if it will be too much of a stretch....

Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Lines on 02 Mar 2008, 08:05
I saw the Lost preview. Though I don't remember much about Iron Man other than what he looks like, the effects look good, Robert Downey Jr. is in it, and they played the Black Sabbath song, which made me chuckle. I'll probably see it, but not right when it comes out. That way I can spare myself if it bombs like other comic movies... (I'd just wait to see it on video to save money if this were case.)
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Blue Kitty on 02 Mar 2008, 20:44
Wait, is Happy now the token black guy?

That's Rhodey, aka War Machine
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RobbieOC on 02 Mar 2008, 23:10
and the Fantastic 4 movies, which sucked. 

But I felt these movies were great, because as far as the characters are concerned they are the best adaptation there has yet to be in a super hero oriented comic book movie (possible exception: Batman Begins). The rest of the FF movies... not so good, but the characterization of the Four was pretty spot on.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jackie Blue on 02 Mar 2008, 23:25
I think this will be a great movie even without the action sequences.  Robert Downey Jr. is amazing in these trailers.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Hat on 03 Mar 2008, 02:43
I hate Tony Stark when he is sober.

I am overjoyed by the fact that he constantly seemed to be holding a glass of scotch in the trailer!

Also if they really are interconnecting all the Avengers members movies in the same continuity, does this mean they're going to get SLJ on a contract across all the movies to play Fury?

Someone please tell me they have thought this far ahead.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Leonidas on 06 Mar 2008, 04:08
I thought I was excited about The Dark Knight coming out this summer, but I think my excitement about Iron Man might just exceed it a little.

The trailers look sweet, even if there are too many spoilers, and I'm looking forward to see Robert Downey Jnr play Stark. Perfect casting in my opinion. I've also a lot of faith in Jon Favreau to direct this movie like a fan and not a hack like Michael Bay (Transformers).
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Fletch on 06 Mar 2008, 08:05
Jeez ... for a moment, I thought you meant Harry Connick Jr & it scared the shit out of me.

I'll see this, but I'm not going in expecting anything ...
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: StaedlerMars on 07 Mar 2008, 15:15
Robert Downey Jr. is amazing period

My friend told me today they were making an iron man movie (I don't know how it escaped my notice).

I saw the trailer. I will see this movie.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Statik on 11 Mar 2008, 16:17
 I think Rhodes/War Machine was cooler than Stark/Iron Man, but this was also 10 years ago when I was actually reading comics.  I am looking forward to Iron Man, but I am on the edge of "skip it in theaters and wait for the dvd" just because of the hit or miss nature of comic book movies in general. 

That being said, "Made" was an excellent movie (I havent seen any of Favreau's other directorial works), and what has been shown so far (in the trailers) is great...


Also, I do understand the need to condense / change material to fit in a different format, but Spiderman 3 was a fucking joke.  The whole plot was trash, Venom (one of my two favorite characters in the entire marvel universe) was so horribly underdeveloped.  I wouldve preferred the Spiderman cartoon explanation for the suit (JJs son brings it back from space).  Apparently "3" makes comic book movies fucking awful  (think superman 3, batman 3).
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Melodic on 11 Mar 2008, 16:34
I want this movie to be as awesome as the idea of Iron Man is.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Dimmukane on 11 Mar 2008, 20:03
Also, I do understand the need to condense / change material to fit in a different format, but Spiderman 3 was a fucking joke.  The whole plot was trash, Venom (one of my two favorite characters in the entire marvel universe) was so horribly underdeveloped.  I wouldve preferred the Spiderman cartoon explanation for the suit (JJs son brings it back from space).  Apparently "3" makes comic book movies fucking awful  (think superman 3, batman 3).

The producers were probably worried that the general public was gonna claim this was a rip-off of the Fantastic Four bit where Dr. Doom got his powers from space and told them to rewrite it.  Not that this makes things better, but it's the only non-stupid explanation I can come up with.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 12 Mar 2008, 06:24
Actually, the most logical explanation is the simplest one:

It would've added either an extra ten or so minutes of barely relevant plot or a huge jump in budget to accomodate an introduction scene. They don't have to go the full route of the cartoon, but in order for Spider-Man to logically have been exposed to it before someone else would be, it would have to have involved some form of rescue of John from a returning craft. In order to pull that off, they would have to throw in the rocket crash which is a very expensive kind of scene to make that probably would've pumped a large amount of cash from the budget. In order to keep it reasonable, they probably would've had to completely cut the Sandman. They could've gone various other routes, but all of them would've resulted in meaningless tangents. Coincidental meteorite strike is sound both budget and time constraint-wise. In the interest of being more logical without seeming irrelevant to the character or incredibly costly would be the idea from Ultimate Spider-Man. In that continuity, the symbiote was not an alien, but a genetic construct that Richard Parker (Peter's father) was working on before his death in an effort to treat cancer.

More on topic of Iron Man, I always found Stark much more interesting than Rhodes. Rhodes never really stood out as anything other than a generic military man. Stark as the alcoholic playboy was just a very deep and interesting character.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Statik on 12 Mar 2008, 14:04
I think me liking Rhodes/WM over Stark/IM is a matter of how the armor looked... War Machine just looked more bad-ass, and being a teen boy who was into military stuff, I guess I just preferred the look of the WM armor over the regular armor.

On the tangent of Spiderman 3 - What I think pissed me off even more than the shitty venom (dont get me wrong, I did like Topher) is the MAJOR ret-con of the absolute single most defining moment in Spider-mans life.  Spider-Man is probably my favorite super hero of all time (not my favorite comic character) and I bought damn near every Spider-Man comic (yes, all 4, "Plain", Amazing, Spectactular, Web of) for many years.  I wouldve preferred them to pick one villan, either do Sandman, or do Venom, but not both.  Especially when the Spider-Man movies seem to be suffering from Batman syndrome, the inclusion of too many god damn villans.  A movie just dealing with the new Green Goblin, and the suit transition from Peter to Brock (and a fight between the new Venom and Spidey, possibly with Goblin thrown in wouldve been fine).  An idea I had before anything had been announced about Spidey3, except for Venoms inclusion was that, they kind of do something similar to the comic.  Rather than John Jameson be an astronaut, hes just a test pilot, gets hit by falling space junk (the suit), spidey of course rescues him, burns up part of his suit, and gets the symbiote in the process.

Anyway, sorry, not trying to hijack the thread.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: The Cheesinator on 25 Mar 2008, 15:20
Stark is basically just a guy in a fancy suit.

Man, that's what I love about Iron Man. He's just a guy hanging out in the proverbial playground of superheroes. Although he does have that whole Extremis thing going on, would that count as a super-power?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 25 Mar 2008, 17:38
That's also why I like Stark. Dude is basically Bruce Wayne if Bruce Wayne weren't batshit(hurhurhur) crazy about vengeance and married to the persona. He just funnels his money into being a badass and an asshole. A badasshole.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Exar_Kun on 03 Apr 2008, 01:55
not to mention that Stark is 10x smarter than you or I will ever be.  I'm pretty sure this movie, like most other Marvel movies, has a chance to be abso-fucking-lutely awesome, just because Stan Lee has a hand in making it, he SHOULD have an idea as to what the heros should be like because he friggen created most of them.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RobbieOC on 03 Apr 2008, 11:28
Everything I've seen so far points to this movie being awesome. I've never been a huge Iron Man fan, and of course the recent Civil War stuff kind of turned me off to him even more, but still. Damn. If trailors can be any indication of a movie (which they can, sometimes) it looks like they've got the visual stuff down pat and the characterization looks like it could be the best from a Marvel movie yet.

And, I'm just so excited for an Avengers movie I can barely even think about it.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: no one special on 04 Apr 2008, 00:16
Apparently "3" makes comic book movies fucking awful  (think superman 3, batman 3).

Don't forget X-Men 3.  What trash.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Border Reiver on 04 Apr 2008, 07:00
It was almost worth sitting through X Men 3 to hear Kelsey Gramer say "Oh my stars and garters!"
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: carrotosaurus on 04 Apr 2008, 07:07
almost
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: muteKi on 04 Apr 2008, 07:18
1 I am 18 and don't listen to a lot of heavy metal and as a result have never listened to the full version of the original Iron Man. I am decidedly familiar with the tune -- it's common for pep bands to play the main riff.
2 Movie seems pretty good. Might check it out if I get the opportunity.
3 JC, I couldn't find Dan's post on that page. Could someone direct me to it? The link doesn't take me to the comment specifically.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 04 Apr 2008, 07:33
Don't forget Spider-Man 3, the worst offender. I could actually stand SOME of Batman Forever and didn't mind X-Men 3 all that much, but Spider-Man 3 was utter garbage.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Thy Dungeonman on 04 Apr 2008, 08:04
Also, Blade Trinity. What a joke.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: talon on 18 Apr 2008, 17:41
i'm way excited for this movie but has anyone else like me had to cut themselves off from watching any new publicity to leave a little surprise and anticipation for May 2. its a difficult thing to ignore all the movie buzz sites who tell me there's a new trailer, tv spot, or movie still... i'm glad incredible hulk and dark knight are still keeping things somewhat of a secret with only one main trailer. none the less, i will be in line for some rober downey jr. robot-on-robot action come may.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Border Reiver on 19 Apr 2008, 12:46
When you figure that out, can you let the rest of us know?  That movie was a definite let down.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: muteKi on 20 Apr 2008, 19:32
^^
It was only a let-down if you expected something of it.
I did not; in fact I never bothered to check it out. As a result I am happy.

Also, does anyone ever watch The Onion News Network? They had a somewhat amusing clip about the Iron Man movie and trailer.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Surgoshan on 20 Apr 2008, 20:38
I quite enjoyed $pider-man 3.  Of course, I'll never buy it, because it just doesn't hold a candle to 2.  I'm willing to let that be the end of Pete's story.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: De_El on 20 Apr 2008, 20:49
Then we just have to wait 7 more years before someone decides to try a reboot.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Boro_Bandito on 20 Apr 2008, 22:20
5 actually. But yeah, I nearly left the theatre when Parker started dancing in the street.

and links, muteki, we need links if you want us to know what you know.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RobbieOC on 20 Apr 2008, 22:38
Guys, this movie comes out on the 2nd (in the states) and the very next day is free comic book day! This could be the a super fun weekend!
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 21 Apr 2008, 00:13
I am obviously the only person who enjoyed every second of Spiderman 3, huh? Also I have heard that they are doing 3 more Spiderman films but they are apparently dropping Raimi from the directors seat. I'm a little worried though, Spiderman 3 defintely suffered from having too many villains and they only had three! In the rumoured Spiderman 4 they want to have six! THAT WOULD NOT WORK!!!!!
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Tom on 21 Apr 2008, 01:29
I am obviously the only person who enjoyed every second of Spiderman 3, huh?

It's own stupidity was entirely redeeming.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Surgoshan on 21 Apr 2008, 11:28
When Peter was strutting down the street, I just laughed and laughed.  I really did enjoy the movie.  Unfortunately, it just didn't hold up the promise that 2 made.  The alien, Sandman, Brock, Harry, and Peter having to deal with Spidey's acceptance by the public?  WAY too much for a single movie.  They should've done what Raimi suggested and chucked most of that; he found the Sandman to be the most interesting of the villains.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 21 Apr 2008, 12:10
Guys, the Spiderman movies were terrible. All three. That was the worst Peter Parker even conceived in the history of any medium ever.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 21 Apr 2008, 12:25
Spider-Man 2 was fantastic, you tit.

The other two were absolute garbage, though.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ikrik on 21 Apr 2008, 14:31
No way.....Spiderman 2 was terrible.  I think they get more terrible in a progressive scale.  Spiderman 2 was terrible because it became a soap opera.  I don't CARE about Peter Parker's problems.  I found it interesting that Spiderman is poor and stuff....but all of the emotional angst just bugged the living crap out of me.  Spiderman 3 was just....eugh....it would have been better if they.....well...if they didn't do anything that they did.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 21 Apr 2008, 15:24
Then you're clearly not the type of person that the movie was aimed at.

As a longtime fan of Spider-Man, the whole point of the character was that he was just a regular guy with regular problems who also happened to be a superhero. Spider-Man 2 was the only one that really captured that.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: frullic on 21 Apr 2008, 16:19
Personally I have to say that most movies nowadays are crappy so I think hopes should stay low.
BTW Transformers was pure septic residue!
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Hat on 21 Apr 2008, 20:11
I think the sentence 'most _________ are shit nowadays" to be one of the most hilariously incorrect and ignorant things a person could ever possibly say.

Also this comes out in a week and two days! This is the maddest note.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Surgoshan on 21 Apr 2008, 20:20
I think the sentence 'most _________ are shit nowadays" to be one of the most hilariously incorrect and ignorant things a person could ever possibly say.

It's a very ancient, and unoriginal, philosophy.  Read Ecclesiastes some time.  But only when you're in the mood to be really emo.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Thy Dungeonman on 21 Apr 2008, 20:29
So, to summarize the last few posts: everything is the worst thing ever.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: De_El on 22 Apr 2008, 18:23
But the burning question: has everything been ruined forever?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RobbieOC on 22 Apr 2008, 18:29
So, Iron Man's going to be really awesome, huh?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 22 Apr 2008, 21:41
Then you're clearly not the type of person that the movie was aimed at.

As a longtime fan of Spider-Man, the whole point of the character was that he was just a regular guy with regular problems who also happened to be a superhero. Spider-Man 2 was the only one that really captured that.

Also, the impotence subtext really spoke to Jon.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Boro_Bandito on 23 Apr 2008, 08:22
I think the sentence 'most __turds___ are shit nowadays" to be one of the most hilariously incorrect and ignorant things a person could ever possibly say.

Pretty sure that one's correct.


....


I'll go and sit in my corner and think about what I've done.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RobbieOC on 23 Apr 2008, 13:40
I liked it.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: muteKi on 23 Apr 2008, 19:48
Beacuse it was askerd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBM3j7x4Lcw
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Thy Dungeonman on 23 Apr 2008, 19:57
"In other news, 23 people were bruised when a man went on a punching spree--"

I thought the Iron Man satire was funny, but that end was the best part.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Aimless on 01 May 2008, 15:36
Saw it just a while ago. I don't really know what to say.

But in a good way. Oh what a good way!

I'm loving what they're doing with these comic book heroes. RDJ was perfectly cast, as was Gwyneth Paltrow. I didn't once feel the direction or editing was off. The action was good, and the CGI was... unnoticeable. It looked so damn' sweet.

The baddies coulda been better, but great performances by our heroes (including Stark's AIs) more than made up for their shortcomings.

With almost all the super-hero movies I've seen in the past few years, I've felt like they've been too short. Not so with Iron Man, but I mean that in a good way as well. It was a very satisfying movie experience.

Warmly recommended. Stay until the end of the credits for the sweetest surprise. I didn't, and hearing about what I missed caused me MUCH ANGUISH :(
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 01 May 2008, 15:42
you guys must be on the other side of the world from me, because it's not tomorrow yet in my neck of the woods.

it's still today, unfortunately. i really wanna see this.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Dissy on 01 May 2008, 16:01
Apparently "3" makes comic book movies fucking awful  (think superman 3, batman 3).

Wait, you thought Batman Forever was worse than Batman & Robin?  Need I remind you of the Nipple suit?  And Ah-nuld as Dr. Freeze?

I've always enjoyed Iron Man, mostly cause he is a recovering alchy, which gives him sort of a anti-hero thing.

Best line from an Iron Man comic:  "Oh, god, don't let me puke inside the helmet again."
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RedLion on 01 May 2008, 18:25
The thing is, Batman Forever was just good enough to be taken seriously, so its able to be criticized for all its (myriad) failures. Batman and Robin, on the other hand, you couldn't take even a second of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNaDZIrxh-0) as anything other than some kind of highly elaborate postmodernist joke Joel Schumacher was having on everyone.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: KvP on 01 May 2008, 18:39
But but but so many incredible puns!

Cop: Please show some mercy!
Freeze: I'm afraid my condition has left me cold to your pleas of mercy.

Mr. Freeze: Ice to see you!

Mr. Freeze: What killed the dinosaurs? The Ice Age!

Mr. Freeze: Cool party!

Mr. Freeze: Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well. For it's the chilling sound of your doom.

Mr. Freeze: Let's kick some ice!

Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Border Reiver on 02 May 2008, 05:07
The only good thing about Batman Forever was Uma Thurman in spandex.  The rest of the movie was horrible - the acting, the sets, etc.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Lines on 02 May 2008, 08:32
Batman and Robin is painfully campy and crappy. I liked Uma's costumes, but the rest was shit. Batman Forever had some redeeming values, but B&R definitely failed.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Alex C on 02 May 2008, 12:44
I can't say I've ever spent any time thinking about which movie was worse up until now, and frankly I've already given up. When I saw those movies it quickly became apparent that they were shit. Other factors like the color and consistency of said shit and whether or not one film was a steaming pile of shit as opposed to a stale pile of shit never hit me as particularly relevant.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Dissy on 02 May 2008, 15:00
But but but so many incredible puns!

Cop: Please show some mercy!
Freeze: I'm afraid my condition has left me cold to your pleas of mercy.

Mr. Freeze: Ice to see you!

Mr. Freeze: What killed the dinosaurs? The Ice Age!

Mr. Freeze: Cool party!

Mr. Freeze: Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well. For it's the chilling sound of your doom.

Mr. Freeze: Let's kick some ice!

And everyime I read those, I hear Arny saying them.

I enjoyed Batman Forever very much.  It wasn't too over the top like B&R, yes, Jim Carrey was over-the-top, but then again, when isn;t he?  And TOmmy Lee Jones did an excellent job I thought, no true to comic form, but I digress.

Question, did Mandrain make it into the film at all?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: talon on 02 May 2008, 15:22
don't hijack the thread with batman (however awesome he is and however much joel schumacher sucks)

anyways, saw iron man last night and man was it awesome. RDJ is so cocky and sincere at the same time, just as he should be playing iron man. the war machine nod was sweet for us fanboys (and a sequel) and the behemoth villian suit was way cool and over the top. everything i expected and the previews were cool too.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 02 May 2008, 20:34
I should maybe point out that I have watched Batman and Robin with the director's commentary. Even Joel Schumaker didn't like it. He basically spent the entire thing apologising and explaining that Warner Bros demanded a lot of the stupid shit be included because they wanted the film to be for kids, not Batman fans. Also you should be happy about that, Warner Bros asked Schumaker to direct a fifth Batman film with Scarecrow as the villain and he turned it down because he murdered the fourth film so badly.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 02 May 2008, 20:45
Iron Man owns all of your faces.

Officially.

My girlfriend's great and all, but I would probably sleep with Robert Downey Jr. after that.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Boro_Bandito on 02 May 2008, 21:00
Just got back from the movie, and I gotta say, wow. Movie was all I expected and more, and fully lived up to the hype in my mind. If you go, just be sure to stick around after the credits are over for their little teaser.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 02 May 2008, 23:58
I hope each and every one of you people stayed after the credits.

SUCH. A FUCKING. GOOD. MOVIE.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Aimless on 03 May 2008, 01:24
I cried when I found out what I'd missed :( Tempted to go see it again just for that... and all the kickass action of course.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: öde on 03 May 2008, 07:41
Stay until the end of the credits for the sweetest surprise. I didn't, and hearing about what I missed caused me MUCH ANGUISH :(

Nooooo.

It was weak concerning character development but other than that, really fun.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: KickThatBathProf on 03 May 2008, 07:43
My girlfriend's great and all, but I would probably sleep with Robert Downey Jr. after that.

Pretty much true for everyone
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RobbieOC on 03 May 2008, 15:20
Goddamn it was awesome. Not only would I personally consider this the best superhero movie made to date, but I read that it is also the best reviewed movie of the year so far... which is pretty much something they always say, and it is the first blockbuster of the summer, but for a superhero movie, that is really awesome.

It really had everything I could have ever hoped for.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Alex C on 03 May 2008, 18:42
Warner Bros demanded a lot of the stupid shit be included because they wanted the film to be for kids, not Batman fans.

I will never understand this. Did these executives need someone to spell out for them the simple idea that there's a lot of overlap between the kid and Batman fan demographics? It really saddens me to think that a simple Venn diagram could have prevented so much anguish.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: no one special on 03 May 2008, 19:27
anyways, saw iron man last night and man was it awesome. RDJ is so cocky and sincere at the same time, just as he should be playing iron man. the war machine nod was sweet for us fanboys (and a sequel) and the behemoth villian suit was way cool and over the top. everything i expected and the previews were cool too.

Iron Man owns all of your faces.


Just had to quote them 'cause they were spot on.  the movie was awesome!  Robert Downey Jr. was awesome.  Gwyneth Paltrow, Terrence Howard, Jeff Bridges - well cast all.  I loved Jarvis - great touch.  The action was kick-ass, the comic relief was hilarious, and the actors were well-chosen.  You expect a little bit of a thin storyline with comic book movies, but this one was fairly stong, with minimal plot holes - none actually come to mind at the moment.  There are just one or two points where it gets a little slow in the middle, but I'm quibbling here.  Jon Favreau got the tone just right, I thought, and I'm just really happy with the movie.

And yes, i too went 'squeee!' at the War Machine nod.  But in a totally manly way.    *ahem*
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RedLion on 03 May 2008, 19:57
This really was a good movie! I was surprised; there was quite a bit of nuance and actual moral dimensions to it. It wasn't just "BLOW SHIT UP!" like most recent comic book hero movies have been (sans Batman.)

I strongly disagree with the idea that character development was lacking--Ironically, I actually found the parts with RDJ just interacting with other people while not in the suit to be much more endearing and entertaining than when he was zooming around in random Afghan villages shooting terrorists. However...The final battle left me extremely underwhelmed. In fact, the ending itself was kind of cliche/crappy (except, of course, for the kick-assery of the after credits.) It also annoyed me that the terrorist group was some random, made up bull-shit organization. The rest of the movie is fairly well-grounded in modern reality (except for the gigantic flying suits and all.) Why couldn't it have been the Taliban or Al-Qaeda? The average audience member would intrinsically think that that's who the terrorist organization was anyway. Who else is in Afghanistan?
 
Still, on the whole, a great, great movie.

I think the reason I liked it so much is because they actually spend the majority of the movie making you care about the main characters, and not reducing them to static caricatures.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: E. Spaceman on 03 May 2008, 20:39
You know, that terrorist group wasn't that random. "The Ten Rings" ring a bell?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 03 May 2008, 21:53
Yeah, it was a pretty obvious reference to the Mandarin being the one in control, who I hope shows up in the sequel with a much less silly origin story than magic space alien rings.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Tom on 04 May 2008, 02:07
Considering how they've started this franchise, I doubt they'd fuck it up that way but then again...
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: JediBendu on 04 May 2008, 07:08
Saw it last night, thought it was a very entertaining, solid movie. Robert Downey Jr. was possibly the most charismatic and well-cast actor in a superhero role I've ever seen. But that might be hyperbole on my part. Jeff Bridges, while excellent in most scenes, I think had trouble with a few scenes, particularly the one where he started yelling at the engineer. Seemed awkward. He also seemed pretty awkward when he was exposed in his suit at the end.

There were also a number of scenes, particularly in the mid to final part, that were either badly acted or badly written, but didn't take away too much from the movie. Except for the cringe-worthy line from Gwyneth Paltrow "My card's not working. What's that thing? Some kind of device? Is it going to pick the lock?" pretty much delivered as unnaturally and quickly as possible.

Also, the entire climax to the film felt like it wasn't properly built up to. I was just thinking throughout the whole climax "They're really doing it right now? It feels so awkward at this point." which was kind of nagging. They probably could've gone longer and put a little more material in there, properly (at least in my opinion) built up to the climax.

But as I said, Downey Jr.: EXCELLENT. Any scene with him in the finished suit?: EXCELLENT. Final hidden scene?: EXCELLENT. Origin story portion of the film?: Pretty damn solid. And the opening scene was perfect as well.

Overall, definitely a worthwhile film.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 04 May 2008, 10:55
To explain in further detail the significance of the terrorist organization (Emilio and Jordan obviously got it):

The terrorist organization made multiple references to a classic Iron Man villain by the name of the Mandarin. He was a very powerful crime lord with who had ten rings that each did something different and destructive. He was also allegedly a descendant of Ghengis Khan.

Considering the leader of the terrorist group called it The Ten Rings and was obsessed with Ghengis Khan, it was a pretty obvious reference.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Melodic on 04 May 2008, 12:21

You expect a little bit of a thin storyline with comic book movies, but this one was fairly stong, with minimal plot holes - none actually come to mind at the moment.


How about the whole descent from second-in-command to crazed lunatic running the streets in a gigantic power suit? I found the logic behind the final fight a little silly, considering that the entire objective of the operation was to sell the thing, not control the world.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RedLion on 04 May 2008, 13:35
To explain in further detail the significance of the terrorist organization (Emilio and Jordan obviously got it):

The terrorist organization made multiple references to a classic Iron Man villain by the name of the Mandarin. He was a very powerful crime lord with who had ten rings that each did something different and destructive. He was also allegedly a descendant of Ghengis Khan.

Considering the leader of the terrorist group called it The Ten Rings and was obsessed with Ghengis Khan, it was a pretty obvious reference.

See, I never read any Iron Man comics. I was always a Batman/Superman guy.

But, again, my point still stands--the vast majority of people who see this movie aren't going to have read the comics either, and so many will have the same reaction I did (I know that sounds presumptuous, but it's the reaction I've gotten from literally everyone I've talked to who's seen the movie--"Why weren't they just the Taliban/Al-Qaeda?")
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 04 May 2008, 17:22
It's not even just that. It's the same reason you don't mention George Bush or Paris Hilton in most movies. It horribly dates it. Fifteen years from now, no one who didn't live through this era is going to know what the fuck a Taliban is.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RedLion on 04 May 2008, 18:31
Sure.

Because no-one today knows what a Nazi is.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Dimmukane on 04 May 2008, 18:47
Comparing the Taliban to Nazis is more than a little inaccurate...I've already half-forgotten who they were, and it's only been 7 years since the last major event involving them occurred.  Face it, they don't really do much compared to the Nazis.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: no one special on 04 May 2008, 20:19

Yeah, so... gettin' the thread back on track...

How about the whole descent from second-in-command to crazed lunatic running the streets in a gigantic power suit? I found the logic behind the final fight a little silly, considering that the entire objective of the operation was to sell the thing, not control the world.

One objective was selling, yes, but the other main objective was to stick it to Tony Stark.  Stane was the one who had Tony kidnapped in the first place, to get him out of the way so he could take over the corporation.  Also, Stane couldn't stand that Tony betrayed him (by refusing to sell weapons), so it got personal.  Also, of course, Stane is jealous of Tony's genius.  To top it all off, Tony invented his greatest creation and refused to share it or profit from it.  So with the Iron Monger, Stane thought he had finally topped Tony Stark, and there was only one true way to show that he had - destroy Tony Stark and his armor. 

Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: KvP on 05 May 2008, 00:39
Nah, nah, they didn't sell Stane and Stark's relationship at all. Stane works under Tony's dad for years and years and years, and then under Tony for years and years, and all of a sudden he just orders a hit on Tony? Why? I mean, if it had been revealed that Stane was behind the father's death or something, then you'd have something. But as it stood Stane was a cardboard cutout of a villain.

Still, solid movie, light on action but entertaining all the same, which is always something worth encouraging.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 05 May 2008, 05:47
I just got home from seeing this with my girlfriend. We both loved it, it was really well done from start to finish. My only complaint was that line of Paltrow's that wasn't delivered very well and seemed out of character given that Pepper is a woman who is constantly around a dude with crazy gadgets and should have been scrapped entirely or edited down to "What's that?" It's not like it ruined the film for me though. Oh and we stayed til after the credits so I'm really excited. (http://achewood.com/index.php?date=02212007)
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: pilsner on 05 May 2008, 08:04
This movie needed more Ghostface

Also, I didn't wait for the
(click to show/hide)
and now I have to watch it again.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Dissy on 05 May 2008, 08:37
If y'all missed the scene at the end, here it is.  And I am suing Jackson for breach of contract, again.  SPOILER ALERT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR6zOyj7QXs  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR6zOyj7QXs)
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Blue Kitty on 05 May 2008, 19:39
Oh god, I just realized that Obadiah Stane was Jeff Bridges

"I don't think we should make weapons any more Obie"
"Yeah well, that is just like your opinion man"
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 06 May 2008, 10:46
yeah, i didn't realize it was Jeff Bridges either until about 3/4 of the way through the movie.

did it feel extremely rushed to anyone else? i thought the pacing was horrible.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: KvP on 06 May 2008, 12:18
He's got a Nick Nolte vibe going on throughout this movie. Makes a better oily executive than a supervillain. Those scenes where he has to yell or be "mwahaha" evil don't really work.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Quiet_Soul on 06 May 2008, 12:20
Iron Man was awesome. Epic win.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 06 May 2008, 12:41
did it feel extremely rushed to anyone else? i thought the pacing was horrible.

Actually, I think it was one of the few times I've seen a superhero movie where the pacing was perfect. They didn't fuck around, they kind of jumped right into it (As opposed to Spider-Man or Batman Begins) without leaving you wondering what the fuck was going on (Ala Blade).
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Scandanavian War Machine on 06 May 2008, 12:46
i thought the pacing in the beginning was good but after he started working on the Mark II it seemed to rush towards the end far too quickly.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: carrotosaurus on 06 May 2008, 14:49
I thought the movie was awesome and I usually hate what super hero movies do to the comics. I really enjoyed the fact that they kept Stark the sarcastic asshole that he always was. If Marvel keeps this up they will be on track for a bunch of good comic movies... I also enjoyed the Stan Lee cameo. Not to mention the fact that Jeff bridges is the man. Jon Favreau gets an A+ in my book.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 06 May 2008, 18:25
So,

Hulk later this summer (With Tony Stark cameo)
Ant-Man, Iron Man 2 & Thor - 2010
Captain America & Avengers - 2011

Marvel is really going into this as balls-to-the-wall as they can. I hope it works out, because if all of this comes together into an epic Avengers movie like it should, I will be so freaking happy.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Blue Kitty on 06 May 2008, 20:45
Someone will die (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/080506j.php)
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Melodic on 06 May 2008, 21:18
How the fuck does Marvel plan to sell an Ant-Man movie?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 06 May 2008, 21:29
Edgar Wright (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz) is doing it and has been working towards making the best Ant-Man movie he can make.

That sells it enough for me.

Also, I don't buy the McConaughey rumor, if the casting of Tony Stark and Bruce Banner are any indication for the future of this little run up to the Avengers movie.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Blue Kitty on 06 May 2008, 21:39
(http://www.digitalpimponline.com/images/movie/253.jpg)
cough (http://www.digitalpimponline.com/strips.php?title=movie&id=253)
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jackie Blue on 07 May 2008, 14:32
Iron Man slayed.  Probably the best comic book movie I've seen.

I disagree about the "What's that?  Is it going to unlock the door?" line.  I thought it was funny.  "You might want to step back."

The secret scene after-credits was more LOL than "awesome" for me, just because of who it involved.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: MusicScribbles on 07 May 2008, 17:15
I definitely agree with you here Jackie. I truly made a bit of a fool of myself in the theater when I was the only one of my friends who didn't say something along the lines of "KICKASS", when instead I started to bubble with obscene laughter. Not that I'm not excited for Iron Man 2. The after-credits bit was still awesome. Iron Man was still awesome. I feel like the best place to say this is on the internet but, Iron Man was the best superhero movie I have ever seen. Sure! The product placement was a bit ridiculous (Every car was an Audi) but who cares? It didn't hinder my experience, it enhanced it. It was well-fucking-done product placement that further helped me to place the movie in our own universe, which is something I applaud. Also, Obi was an excellent villain. Why? He wasn't meant to be a supervillain. He really was supposed to be a greasy company executive who was trying to be a villain. It worked. He wasn't much of a bad guy as far as something like The Joker goes because the world he lived in was something else. Not entirely, but it worked to make him that much more convincing. Especially because of the excellent job Mr. Bridges did.
Another thing! OMG excellent performance on Robert Downey's part. Did they rush things? I felt like the movie was really taking its time. The amount of character development and back-story created for the main characters was really something. I never got the feeling that the movie was telling me "HERE IS YOUR DAMN EXPOSITION" and "HERE IS SOME MORE FUCKING EXPOSITION". I got to know the characters in a sincere way through actions that moved the plot forward. Every piece was part of the whole, unlike in, say Batman Begins (No tomatoes plx.).
To avoid any tl;dr's, I'm done for now.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: no one special on 07 May 2008, 18:49
The only product placement that bugged me was the Burger King one.  It just felt overtly obvious to me.  Tiny quibble.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Blue Kitty on 07 May 2008, 18:52
Also, I don't buy the McConaughey rumor, if the casting of Tony Stark and Bruce Banner are any indication for the future of this little run up to the Avengers movie.

I don't know, on Leno Downey Jr. told him that he really had to work for the part.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RobbieOC on 08 May 2008, 00:58
Edgar Wright (Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz) is doing it and has been working towards making the best Ant-Man movie he can make.

That sells it enough for me.

Also, I don't buy the McConaughey rumor, if the casting of Tony Stark and Bruce Banner are any indication for the future of this little run up to the Avengers movie.

What if Edgar Wright is doing the Irredeemable Ant-Man version? It makes sense, considering his credentials. Ant-Man would become the comic relief of the Avengers movie, and it would actually be pretty awesome!

And, I have a hard time believing the McConaughey (damntoohardtospell) rumors also. I'll admit that he has the physical qualities needed, but how are they going to justify Cap being shirtless for two-thirds of the movie?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jackie Blue on 08 May 2008, 09:30
I'm having a really hard time imagining how a Captain America movie could be particularly good without being a comedy.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 08 May 2008, 09:32
Saving Private Ryan with shield slinging.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 08 May 2008, 10:21
Honestly, I think there's a lot of potential in Cap as a character that's gone largely untapped in the actual comics. The concept of struggling to maintain his own identity when he disagrees with the government or the fish-out-of-time story of the Ultimates makes Cap waaaay more interesting and I hope they go in that direction.

Hell, make the first act of the movie a hyper-stylized, ultra-patriotic backstory of a young recruit who becomes a war hero and punches Hitler in the face, then use the second act to throw him into a world that he doesn't know and he can't wrap his head around, then the third act with him finding his place in the ideas that even though the country changes, the ideals of America never do.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 08 May 2008, 10:31
Honestly, considering it comes out mere months before Avengers, I'd say the vast majority should take place in the World War II era. Freeze him about twenty minutes before the ending and have it end with him being thawed, freaking the fuck out and then recruit him for the Initiative. Cliffhanger movie endings are okay when they're being followed up upon shortly.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: carrotosaurus on 08 May 2008, 10:37
That idea really appeals to me. That would be amazing - but I doubt that's what's going to happen. They'll probably just give us a cop-out and make Cap fighting the Al-Queda...
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 08 May 2008, 10:39
I disagree. I think each character's movies should be able to stand completely alone as an introduction to them so that they are fully established for Avengers. 20 minutes of character development of him in the present isn't enough to have an established character in the Avenger movie, no matter what they do with him in WW2 era.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: RobbieOC on 08 May 2008, 12:10
Except that's exactly what they did in Ultimates. They just thawed him out and explained things as it went. Sure, it was a team book, but Cap was definitely the central figure for most of it, and they chose to focus on his being in the wrong time and place. Which, I think would work well as an Avengers movie. I would love the idea of the Cap movie all set in WWII and then being thawed out right at the end of his movie or the beginning of the Avengers movie.

Though, that idea about the WWII part being stylized could be really cool. Almost like a living newsreel or something.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 08 May 2008, 12:17
I know, I love the Ultimates, but I'd really rather the movie be about the team dynamic as a whole and not waste too much time focusing on specific people. They can still have him play off of the rest of the team's modern views of the world after they establish him fully as a fish out of water in his own movie.

Yeah, they should totally make the WW2 portion of Captain America as stylized and propaganda-esque as possible, actually, since that's what the comics were. Make it "BUY WAR BONDS"-y as hell, completely in the style of the 30s/40s.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jackie Blue on 08 May 2008, 12:28
Am I the only one who thinks the Avengers movie could quite possibly be a mess?  I mean, with Ant-Man being a "comedy/action" film, Iron Man being super-stylized and hip, the Hulk being very brooding and dark, and Captain America being either a cheezy Nazi-fightin' good ole boy or... whatever else... and who knows what the fuck the Thor movie will be like... it just seems like the character interaction could be really off.  Downey Jr. and Norton can probably have a good dynamic together, but I just... really don't know about the whole idea.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 08 May 2008, 12:33
Considering the fact that most of those characters managed to mesh in the comics close to fifty years ago, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: SailorPunk on 08 May 2008, 12:36
GUYS! am i the only one who actually started to like iron man more BECAUSE he was such a douchbag in civil war?? i mean he'd always been a douchbag, but in civil war he upped it like a millionty. but he thought he was doing good and he stuck with it and i kinda started to love him

anyone else????

also, movie kicked ass.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 08 May 2008, 12:40
Actually, that's pretty much how I felt.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jackie Blue on 08 May 2008, 12:41
Considering the fact that most of those characters managed to mesh in the comics close to fifty years ago, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

I stopped reading superhero comics in 1988 but I really don't recall the Avengers as being anything other than kind of silly and typically comic-book-ish, like the Fantastic Four (and look how great those movies turned out).

I'm just doubting that within the span of a 2-hour movie they will manage to pull all the heroes together, get the interactions right, and also have time left for an exciting plot.

What would be really great is if they would make a New Mutants film that captured the feel of the first 50 or so issues of that comic - very dark and emotional.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 08 May 2008, 12:44
zerodrone, go find a way to read Ultimates.

That's the kind of thing I'm hoping for for the Avengers movie. Not nearly as dark and cruel as the actual comics, but the same general theme of a bunch of superheroes thrown together to fight menaces bigger than themselves despite the fact that they actually aren't much as a team until it matters.
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Post by: 0bsessions on 08 May 2008, 12:50
It managed to work fine for X-Men, which was essentially Avengers with racism. You seem to be forgetting the fact that Fury's obviously rounding them up in the continuity of the solo flicks. By the time they actually do Avengers, they should be able to jump into the team without more than maybe twenty minutes of exposition (Which would probably be Cap acclimating to the modern age). This would essentially put it more in line with X2 where the team was already established.

Basically, they're doing this the exact correct manner by introducing the characters individually before making the team flick. That's why Avengers easily works as a movie (As would JLA): each member of the roster is sufficient to carry their own flick (With a few exceptions), whereas Wolverine (And MAYBE Gambit) is really the only X-Man who is popular enough to carry his own movie, meaning they had to flesh out each and every X-Man in the team movie.

And we've already had five New Mutants films. Though they changed the name to Harry Potter for some reason (Seriously, all ten angst with magic/super power movies are the same thing).
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jackie Blue on 08 May 2008, 12:58
Have you actually read the very early New Mutants issues?  They were a hell of a lot darker and more interesting than Harry freakin' Potter.   :x
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 08 May 2008, 13:13
I've been reading Marvel comics since I was eight and still read them. New Mutants, regardless of which era you go for, is essentially the same teen angst thing everyone else has done ever. You'd be better served with a Runaways movie if you were going to translate a Marvel teen comic.
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Post by: carrotosaurus on 08 May 2008, 13:23
Speaking of teen angst, they should do X-Statix.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 08 May 2008, 13:30
Um wha? X-Statix wasn't a teen book...
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jackie Blue on 08 May 2008, 14:36
I've been reading Marvel comics since I was eight and still read them. New Mutants, regardless of which era you go for, is essentially the same teen angst thing everyone else has done ever.

I still maintain it is more fundamentally interesting.  With characters like Warlock and Rahne I thought it was darker and more enjoyable for a mature audience than Harry Potter.

Regardless, saying it's "the same teen angst thing" is a cop-out; most comic book movies are "the same misunderstood vigilante thing".
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Dissy on 08 May 2008, 15:43
I know, I love the Ultimates, but I'd really rather the movie be about the team dynamic as a whole and not waste too much time focusing on specific people. They can still have him play off of the rest of the team's modern views of the world after they establish him fully as a fish out of water in his own movie.

Yeah, they should totally make the WW2 portion of Captain America as stylized and propaganda-esque as possible, actually, since that's what the comics were. Make it "BUY WAR BONDS"-y as hell, completely in the style of the 30s/40s.

And he needs to have the WWII Cap uniform, the one from Ultimates, and Ultimate Alliance. (http://www.gangus.net/X2%20update/Captain_America.jpg)  The middle one
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: KvP on 08 May 2008, 16:38
It's kind of funny that they're planning an Avengers movie when Edward Fucking Norton is the Hulk. He'll demand 50 million dollars and still phone it in, provided they don't let him write the thing.
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 08 May 2008, 17:48
I've been reading Marvel comics since I was eight and still read them. New Mutants, regardless of which era you go for, is essentially the same teen angst thing everyone else has done ever. You'd be better served with a Runaways movie if you were going to translate a Marvel teen comic.

I would love to see a live action version of Pixie, Santos, and Anole, but then again I would also love to see Gurt, Victor, and Molly.  CHOICES!!!
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 08 May 2008, 22:00
And he needs to have the WWII Cap uniform, the one from Ultimates, and Ultimate Alliance. (http://Captain_America.jpg)  The middle one

Yeah, I love that costume.

All of those suffer from pouch syndrome, though. Why the fuck does he need ten pouches? It's not like he ever uses anything but his shield.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Johnny C on 09 May 2008, 01:54
I stopped reading superhero comics in 1988

Whoo boy.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Border Reiver on 09 May 2008, 04:49
He needs the pouches for all the first aid supplies he should be carrying, besides every military uniform needs lots of pockets and pouches.  It's just the way it is.  British, Cdn and US uniforms have had at least 2-4 pockets since 1900 just on the tunic.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jackie Blue on 09 May 2008, 15:40
I stopped reading superhero comics in 1988

Whoo boy.

What?  They just stopped interesting me.  Is it that unusual to "grow out of" comic books?

I still read stuff like Transmetropolitan and sometimes re-read Watchmen, Love and Rockets, and Sandman.

And the first six volumes of ElfQuest, even though it makes me feel like a new-age hippie to do so.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Johnny C on 10 May 2008, 00:45
I was born when you stopped reading comic books.
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Post by: E. Spaceman on 10 May 2008, 00:50
I had pretty much that same thought
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Post by: Jackie Blue on 10 May 2008, 02:46
Oh.

Yeah, I'm old.  I still look young though!  I have no interest in ever stopping listening to good new music, doing certain drugs, going to shows, etc.  Fuck "settling down", yo.

Shit the other guitar player in my band is 37 and looks (and sometimes acts) much younger than I do.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Lines on 11 May 2008, 16:58
Finally saw this movie today and yes, it was freaking awesome. Definitely one of the best comic book movies to come out lately, if ever.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: DoubleAW on 11 May 2008, 18:15
"I'd like to talk to you about the Avenger Initiative."

I practically creamed my pants.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Johnny C on 12 May 2008, 03:04
Good Christ, I haven't had that much outright fun watching a superhero film in a very long time.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Surgoshan on 12 May 2008, 07:51
The Vanity Fair reporter chick... was she high?  Because she looked like she was tweaking on coke when they were getting it on.

Other than that, the movie was awesome sauce.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Lines on 12 May 2008, 08:13
I thought she looked like she was trying to kill him or something. But I loved Paltrow's line about taking out the trash afterwards, hehe.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Orbert on 12 May 2008, 08:34
I think the idea with the Vanity Fair reporter was that she was all set to hate him because she really thought he was a warmonger, but he charmed her pants off and she didn't need any coke because Stark's huge, throbbing ego turned loose her inner animal.

But she was just a one-nighter after all (Stark didn't remember her name later), and when she tried to talk trash to Pepper, Pepper got to slam her down.  That was cool.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: KvP on 12 May 2008, 22:44
The Vanity Fair reporter chick... was she high?  Because she looked like she was tweaking on coke when they were getting it on.

Other than that, the movie was awesome sauce.
Yeah, I was watching with my cousin and he turned to me during that scene and said "what the fuck is she doing? That's not sex."

Anyway, after a week or so of distance I've decided that it was a fun movie that had a lame villain and underutilized Terrance Howard. Here's to the sequel.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: cgarci21 on 13 May 2008, 22:35
This was freaking awesome...period.

SLJ at the end ftw.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jackie Blue on 13 May 2008, 22:37
Yeah, I was watching with my cousin and he turned to me during that scene and said "what the fuck is she doing? That's not sex."

Clearly you people are doing it wrong.   :wink:
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Johnny C on 14 May 2008, 01:39
Clearly you people are doing it wrong. Do more cocaine.
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Post by: pilsner on 14 May 2008, 02:17
(http://dr-rockso.com/dr.rockso.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: teh pwn queen on 14 May 2008, 05:02
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h115/sumrblizrd/sweettooth2.jpg)

See? I can do it too...
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 14 May 2008, 08:54
I enter this thread to find a picture of Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal, and Dr. Roxo The Rock N' Roll clown from Metalocalypse. What the hell man?
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: David_Dovey on 14 May 2008, 09:44
Jesus everytime I come in this thread I end up spending hours on Wikipedia reading comic book articles.
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Post by: Orbert on 14 May 2008, 09:58
You make it sound like a bad thing.
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Post by: Blue Kitty on 14 May 2008, 10:55
That reminds, me what does Vanity Fair actually cover?  I thought they were a fashion/general home making magazine.
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Post by: 0bsessions on 14 May 2008, 10:57
I think it's your basic gossip rag. A guy like Tony Stark would definitely end up in there.
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Post by: Boro_Bandito on 14 May 2008, 14:03
[Sweet Tooth]

See? I can do it too...

No, see, the point was that Dr. Roxo was on Cocaine, not that he was a scary clown.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 14 May 2008, 17:18
[Sweet Tooth]

See? I can do it too...

No, see, the point was that Dr. Roxo was on Cocaine, not that he was a scary clown.

lulz "I DO COCAINNEEEE GU GU GU YYEEEEAAAAHHHHHH"
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Spluff on 14 May 2008, 23:37
Jesus everytime I come in this thread I end up spending hours on Wikipedia reading comic book articles.

I'll be honest with you, after the Pokemon thread I did the same thing. I don't regret it.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: teh pwn queen on 15 May 2008, 01:30
[Sweet Tooth]

See? I can do it too...

No, see, the point was that Dr. Roxo was on Cocaine, not that he was a scary clown.

lulz "I DO COCAINNEEEE GU GU GU YYEEEEAAAAHHHHHH"

Pssh, who cares... I just wanted to put up Sweet Tooth... any reason (albeit stretched...) would of suffice.
thankyouverymuchgoodnight.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Mr. Mojo on 15 May 2008, 06:18
it's been ages since i've played twisted metal.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: CamusCanDo on 22 May 2008, 03:12
I was going to make a thread on the main board about this but then once I had calmed down some I realized that maybe it really didn't merit it's own thread since apparently it's still in the early stages.

Along with characters such as Thor, Captain America, Ant-Man, Nick Fury and The Avengers, Marvel has recently announced that Runaways is going to be adapted into a movie as well. Since this is a series that I love my first intial thought was "Oh fuckballs yes", with the obvious "Oh shit, wait..." followed closely behind. Brian K Vaughn (Series creator/writer) is going to handle the script. Read the link below for more info:

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=22618
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 May 2008, 06:47
As long as Vaughan stays on script duties, it'll be fine.

Runaways is easily one of the most simple to translate comic properties out there. The only difficulties they COULD run into are Karoline's powers and the Giborim themselves (If they even make it in). The entire initial cast, aside from Karoline and Molly, is made up of baseline humans with some form of gimmick (The fistigons should be easy enough and Gert's raptor won't be anything difficult). It's also a rather new property, meaning it'll be easy to translate. Hell, the first volume can be read easily in an hour or two.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: KvP on 22 May 2008, 12:50
There are some murmurs 'round places that given the broad success of the lighthearted first movie Marvel is having second thoughts about exploring Stark's alcoholism in the sequel. I'm skeptical, but with movie execs you never know.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jackie Blue on 22 May 2008, 14:38
I seriously do not want Iron Man 2 to have any fucking thing to do with Stark being an alcoholic.  Nobody does, in fact.  The movie is so good because he's a hard-partying wise-ass, I do not want the sequel to call for Downey Jr to reprise his role from Less Than Zero.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Orbert on 22 May 2008, 15:21
I'd heard that they were thinking of making a whole series of Iron Man movies, and read a quote from RDJ saying he'd do 15 of 'em, because he's a huge Iron Man. That's a lot, but if they did several, it might not be too awful if they explored Stark's problems a few movies down the road.  In the Marvel Universe, this is what happened, and Rhodey took over for a while (which is why he looked at the suit and said "Next time"), so it would be canonical.

Once the franchise has been established and kicked ass a few times, it might not be bad for a change of pace.  But doing it in the very first sequel would be a mistake.  They need to build a little more momentum up first.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: 0bsessions on 22 May 2008, 15:26
I seriously do not want Iron Man 2 to have any fucking thing to do with Stark being an alcoholic.  Nobody does, in fact.

Ummm, I'm pretty sure just about every fan of the character would be effectively bullshit if they didn't cover it. Stark's struggle with alcoholism was one of the most definitive and intriguing storylines ever put down in comics. I'd be willing to put down money that you're in the minority on not wanting to see it.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Ozymandias on 22 May 2008, 19:21
Captain America will be set in WW2 (darn), comes out May 6, 2011, McConaughey as Rogers is completely unfounded and probably not true, and his shield was in Iron Man, according to Marvel.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Blue Kitty on 22 May 2008, 20:19
Ummm, I'm pretty sure just about every fan of the character would be effectively bullshit if they didn't cover it. Stark's struggle with alcoholism was one of the most definitive and intriguing storylines ever put down in comics. I'd be willing to put down money that you're in the minority on not wanting to see it.

I myself am fairly tired of all of the, "Stark is an alcoholic," jokes.  Then again, the only other jokes people make is that he is an ass.  Personally, I would love to see Armor Wars done.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Hat on 04 Jun 2008, 13:40
Honestly, I liked enough of the sly little nods to Tony's drinking, I don't necessarily want it to be the centrepiece of the sequel if they are seriously going to make a franchise from Iron Man. Maybe make it a little bit more obvious in the sequel, and save the full blown alcoholism conflict for a post-avengers movie?

I just really enjoyed Stark being a partyboy and having a good time. Really, you need to build up the character more than has already been done for an alcoholism storyline to have real impact.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Jackie Blue on 05 Jun 2008, 12:08
Exactly.  Iron Man worked so well as a movie because it avoided the angst that turned a lot of people off Spiderman 3 (and, to a lesser extent, 2).  Tony Stark was pissed about something that really mattered to people other than himself, and he didn't sit around and brood, he went and blew shit up.  Bringing in an alcoholism story in the very first sequel would be terrible for the average movie-goer, regardless of how many comic book nerds it would appease.

Besides which, by ending the movie with him coming out and saying "I am Iron Man", it pretty well guarantees the main subplot of the next one will be how to deal with someone who is publically and admittedly a superhero.  I wouldn't be surprised if it opens with him getting arrested or some such, and then released into government (ie Nick Fury) custody.
Title: Re: Iron Man
Post by: Surgoshan on 05 Jun 2008, 14:52
Stark, at least as portrayed in the film, is such an individualist and type A personality, that I really don't see him meshing well with a governmental paramilitary organization.  That right there is going to generate a lot of story, I think.