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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: KharBevNor on 11 Apr 2008, 15:18
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So, I think all hip-hop is shit. I have in the past taken many recommendations from people for hip-hop I might like, and it has all ended in failure. But I do not know why! I like electronic music! I have no objections to samples or people just talking over music! I cannot really understand my antipathy to this whole genre, and I do not like to think it is because of racisms.
Hip-hop artists I can remember that I have listened to and found severely lacking include Public Enemy, Cypress Hill, NWA and lots of others I can't remember.
I want you guys to convince me otherwise. Get me into rap. Even if you fail, my reviews of the things you make me listen to should be pretty hilarious/insulting/borderline racist (delete as appropriate).
I like dub. King Tubby, Scientist, Keith Hudson. I also have been known to like some grime. Dizzee Rascal and JME have both made the odd song that tickles my fancy. More off-topic, I am also a big fan of EBM, some acid house, etc.
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Have you tried the beastie boys? The things before the Right to Party song (I forgot the title)
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Before it??? That's on their first album...
Khar, for Beastie Boys, I suggest you get the albums Check Your Head, Ill Communication and Hello Nasty. These are the albums where they spent most of thei time working on live instrumentation to rap over and experimenting, there's plenty of kooky jams (IC has this weird string section interlude at one point, it's quite bizarre, especially considering the context) and even a couple of hardcore tracks scattered around there somewhere.
Presumably you've already been recommended Eminem? Tell me yes or no because I want to recommend you some of his based from that.
Remind me, are you British? Because if you're British, then I can't recommend Council Estate Of Mind by Skinnyman any higher. Also, again mostly if you're British but you have better chance of getting this album even if you're not, is Who Needs Actions When You've Got Words? by Plan B. And if you're turned off by the first track, be sure to let it finish, because his way of doing things will become very clear from the third or fourth verse, I forget which one it is.
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I forgot to say.
Upload stuff.
Or post links.
Otherwise I will not be fucked.
To put this into perspective: I use DC++. I can't even join most rap hubs.
Also, you can basically assume anything that I might have accidentally overheard on the radio or whatever, I do not like. So, no Eminem.
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Warning: do not suggest The Streets.
So anyway, let's try a couple of things. Check out TEPR's album "En Direct de la Cote". It's mostly electronic, but with some rap (mostly French) in it. If you don't mind that then maybe check out some of French rappers' TTC's stuff, especially "3615" and their collaboration with Modeselektor, "Dancing Box".
Basically what I am trying to do here is think of some electronic-like rap, and also check out if you like rap better when you can't understand what they're going on about. To this end, hopefully you can't speak French.
If that goes well (or maybe even if not) maybe check out edIT's latest album, "Certified Air-raid Material." I enjoyed it quite thoroughly, and the music in it isn't the typical kind of "something with a beat that people can rap over" fare.
As an addendum, Z-Trip's album "Shifting Gears" is pretty good.
edit: Ah, ok. Uploading stuff. Hm. I'll see what I can do later.
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Well my plan was about to suggest obscure Eminem anyway, but fuck uploading, I don't care THAT much about spreading the hip-hop love.
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I think est will be good at this.
Um. Here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=_LxGBxl1MlE) is a song where J Dilla samples Dick Hyman? Also here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk22RDq0bqw) is a song by Slum Village. Not only does it have a nice beat, it even has parts where the words about sex!
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do you like Gorrillaz? they do a good job of blending rock, electronic, and hip-hop.
good introduction, i'd wager. (i'll try to upload some later if i get any free time, which may be unlikely)
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and also check out if you like rap better when you can't understand what they're going on about. To this end, hopefully you can't speak French.
along these lines, I have a great album by Organism 12 which is a German rap group. somehow, I enjoy it more because I have no idea what they're saying, they just sound really pissed off about something. not usually a rap person either.
also, pharoahe monch. (sp?)
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hello nasty? are you absolutely insane? AND you left out Paul's Boutique?
please, don't waste your time with Hello Nasty. two good songs tops. Now, Check Your Head or Paul's Boutique are two unbelievably solid records that require your full attention.
as for other suggestions.
Arrested Development
A Tribe Called Quest (obv)
I really enjoyed the new Aesop Rock, personally.
MF Doom - Mm..Food?
although technically trip-hop, Lovage - Songs To Make Love to Your Old Lady By.. is awesome.
Mos Def - Black On Both Sides
half spanish music, half hip hop, but all love, Ozomatli - Ozomatli.
seriously though, don't listen to Hello Nasty.
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I'd recommend some Del Tha Funkee Homosapien. You might also appreciate Aesop Rock, although he's a bit hard to get into.
Also, I think Immortal Technique's ideological bent might make him something you could dig.
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Consolidated?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xyS4MERN8Y
The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6CgotCUtMo
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i think i could see Khar being down with Immortal Technique.
he's probably the most metal rapper.
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I second Disposable Heroes of Hiphopcrasy.
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MC 900 Foot Jesus?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0k-qRDSno
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Um. Here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=_LxGBxl1MlE) is a song where J Dilla samples Dick Hyman? Also here (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk22RDq0bqw) is a song by Slum Village. Not only does it have a nice beat, it even has parts where the words about sex!
I found both these tracks incredibly boring. Who is Dick Hyman?
Onto the next lot.
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El-P: Smithereens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgSweMvre30)
Cannibal Ox: Iron Galaxy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ICdCJNaKI)
Boom Bip & Doseone: The Birdcatcher's Return (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A88_E_cJOA)
I also approve of the Disposable Heroes and MC 900Ft Jesus songs posted earlier.
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Consolidated?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xyS4MERN8Y
The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6CgotCUtMo
This was a lot more like it. The first track reminded me a bit of those Fear Factory songs that got remixed by rappers. Still pretty boring though, but closer to the mark by far. The second one was alright as well, but, well...man, it just felt like reading a left wing blog but someone had stuck a limp beat behind it. Some of the lines in it genuinely elicited a smile from me ("they think apartheid is a new type of headache cure") and the sampling stuff at the beginning and end was kind of alright. I did not skip ahead in these tracks at all, which I will admit I did past the two minute mark in the last two. I cannot see myself listening to these tracks for fun, but I would not object if they were played in a club. The lyrical themes were closer to the mark. I am probably not going to be that into stuff about sex and guns (I think that's what at least the second one in the first lot was about).
To the next lot.
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MC 900 Foot Jesus?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye0k-qRDSno
More like this! I liked this track! The synth/turntable/whatever interludes provided some much needed interest that kept the whole thing pushing along that the other tracks lacked. The lyrics and music actually seemed appropriate for each other. There was a dubby kind of vibe and the beats were much more to my liking. I actually enjoyed this track!
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If you lilke dubbier stuff, maybe Dr. Octagon’s Blue Flowers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9VYzNUXGDA).
(As far as lyrics go, keep in mind this is from a concept album about a sex-crazed alien doctor. Also, that Kool Keith is probably completely nuts.)
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What really got me into rap lately was Murs. He did some work with 9th Wonder (producers) that I personally really love. He was an independent artist so his songs do not sound over-produced (he is now signed to Warner Bros).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlENsFnogLg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5152RXoQIH0
Check out MF DOOM if you haven't already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcDa38nlYSQ
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I thought you'd call me out for cheating with Consolidated since they really were basically an industrial band with rapping. Their extremely left-wing political stance could get a bit annoying (I really, really hate the song "You Suck", but that's more the Yeastie Girls' fault and the fact that every fucking goth-industrial night ever used to play it every fucking week when it came out).
What was very interesting about the band is that during concerts, they would pass out microphones to let audience members debate or otherwise talk about the subjects they addressed in their songs, which Skinny Puppy never did, even if they were the better of the two bands, and you had to pay close attention to notice that all their fucking songs were about animal rights.
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Before it??? That's on their first album...
They came out with three solid EPs before that album. They were a lot harder.
My point is, Fight for Your Right was their song that solidified their style, but it was ironically made to make fun of that specific style of music. In a way, because it got so popular, they 'sold out'. The notes on Sounds of Silence actually claim they think the song sucks. But yeah, you're right, there isn't that much hip hop before it.
Beastie Boys -
Sabotage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sbqIyeed4g)
No Sleep Till Brooklyn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI2IyHXJo5M&feature=related)
EDIT: here's some J5 In The Flesh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMQZuPlIFe0)
Glukoza - Shvanie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDbGdoDXE4)
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I thought you'd call me out for cheating with Consolidated since they really were basically an industrial band with rapping. Their extremely left-wing political stance could get a bit annoying.
It's not the band I hate, it's their faaaaaans.
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Try some stuff of El-Ps album I'll Sleep When You're Dead. It's pretty awesome.
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Ugh, yeah, Consolidated was too preachy by half for me. Their fans' complaints that their t-shirts weren't as cheap as Fugazi's was pretty funny, though.
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Maybe some Massive Attack would do something? It's hip-hop (tend to fall under trip-hop), and a large portion of there songs don't involve rapping at all, but a number do. Elizabeth Fraser from the Cocteau Twins sang on a few of their tracks. Mad Professor, who's heavily involved with dub, has collaborated with them as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp40_EC6IhY (Music doesn't start until around a minute into the video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1cACrPHdc
Cadence Weapon - Black Hand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nevf1PjtyVQ
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Dälek
Food For Animals
Immortal Technique
DJ Shadow
13 & God
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Oh yeah, I probably should have said that I already like Massive Attack and Portishead.
Would you really call them hip-hop?
I have noticed so far everyone I have liked seems to be white? This is bad! Next lot!
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Holy shit, yeah. I can't believe I forgot Dalek. Ever Somber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i789TMw49rE). That song is kinda odd in that it sounds like he's rapping over My Bloody Valentine; the rest of that album, Absence, sounds like he's rapping over Merzbow. Noisy as shit, it is.
Also, none of them are white, if that's good to know.
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I wouldn't call Massive Attack hip-hop, I just thought they might be a decent stepping stone. And isn't only one of them white? And Dizzee Rascal definitely isn't white.
Did you listen to the Cadence Weapon track?
Maybe try Old Dirty Bastard, just because he's pretty distinctive from most other rap out there, so it's possible it might appeal.
Shimmy Shimmy Ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbgPZlxbsUc
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El-P: Smithereens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgSweMvre30)
Cannibal Ox: Iron Galaxy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ICdCJNaKI)
Boom Bip & Doseone: The Birdcatcher's Return (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A88_E_cJOA)
First song seemed like it might be good right at the start but it never engaged me at all. The guy going 'crying' in the background seemed to overpower everything as well. Second one, I was totally meh on, well, not totallly, a nice intro, but then just the same boring drag it's been with some of the other songs here. The last one I didn't like at all. I couldn't understand a word, and it sounded like an intro that went into an interlude that went into an outro. Didn't really seem like a song. I kept waiting for it to kick in, but it didn't. Next.
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If you lilke dubbier stuff, maybe Dr. Octagon’s Blue Flowers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9VYzNUXGDA).
This was interesting, liked the samples, but again it didn't really feel it was going anywhere. The turntable stuff at the end was kind of cool, but again, can't ever really imagine sitting down and choosing to listen to this for pleasure.
NEEEEEXT.
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Oh yeah, I probably should have said that I already like Massive Attack and Portishead.
Would you really call them hip-hop?
Trip-Hop.
Also, if you like Massive Attack, check out Tricky's solo material.
Sorry for the lack of uploads Khar I am drunk and lazy. Harass me via private message tomorrow and I will get on that shit.
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And Dizzee Rascal definitely isn't white.
I'm also pretty sure he's not hip-hop, from how I understand things.
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Well, I dunno. I'd be tempted to label grime a sub-genre myself.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlENsFnogLg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5152RXoQIH0
Check out MF DOOM if you haven't already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcDa38nlYSQ
I found all these tracks terribly boring. I will need to recover with some Judas Priest or something so I am awake enough for the next lot.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=L6qgBnPUnjU
RJD2 - "1976"
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Shit, I didn't read your follow-up post. Here are some MySpace links:
Dälek http://www.myspace.com/dalek
Food For Animals http://www.myspace.com/thefoodforanimals
Immortal Technique http://www.myspace.com/immortaltechnique
DJ Shadow http://www.myspace.com/djshadow
13 & God http://www.myspace.com/13andgod
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My attempt:
Mf Doom
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfl7lhJuTis
Quasimoto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxjwwrpYGUk
RJD2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nSMOmKuNgD8
Nas
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mYZ_RD--Lpg
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Blackalicious!
http://www.mediaf!re.com/?0a03bzvjmcv
you'll have to replace the "!" in mediafire with an "i"
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Beastie Boys -
Sabotage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sbqIyeed4g)
No Sleep Till Brooklyn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI2IyHXJo5M&feature=related)
EDIT: here's some J5 In The Flesh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMQZuPlIFe0)
Glukoza - Shvanie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDbGdoDXE4)
Okay, the Beastie Boys tracks just sounded like Rage Against the Machine B-Sides to me, and I don't really like rage against the machine. The J5 one sounded completely generic. The Glukoza track, on the other hand, was pretty cool. It weirdly reminded me of Gogol Bordello, and the video wasn't bad, if a bit obvious. I might like it more if I could understand the lyrics...but then again maybe I would like it less.
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I really don't know anything very much at all about hip-hop, but the more I listen to it, the more I become convinced that French is really the form's natural language (bearing in mind that I can't speak French). To my ear there's something about the combination of the more mellifluous rhythms of French with the hard beats of hip-hop that just works. I'd highly recommend getting the soundtrack to the seminal film La Haine. Sure, it's getting a bit long in the tooth, but both the film and the soundtrack album are still absolute classics.
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Harry, you are this forum's Cornelius.
You might like P.O.S. (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=13632530) He is a rapper from Minneapolis who is in the Doomtree collective, and I think you'll like his anger. He also has a punk band called Building Better Bombs. My favorite song from his sophomore album Audition is Bush League Psyche-Out Stuff but I can't find it. Thus, listen to P.O.S. is Ruining My Life- just remember the singing stuff is sampled or stolen or something.
Another one I don't think is boring is Mr Lif (http://www.mrlif.com/). If you like any of his songs, Red October would be the most likely, I think. Or maybe Return of the B-Boy.
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Organized Konfusion - Stress (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbFVp6ifTOw).
Awesome bass line + horns + great lines = best single hip-hop track I know of.
Someone said Arrested Development, and I completely agree:
Arrested Development - Mr. Wendal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Kwwglgrbo)
More Beastie Boys:
Shake Yur RUMP-AH! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x9CRogsSfY)
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Dälek http://www.myspace.com/dalek
Definitely (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTS66CmwXJk) Dälek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vriFhJseQ1s).
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hello nasty? are you absolutely insane? AND you left out Paul's Boutique?
please, don't waste your time with Hello Nasty. two good songs tops. Now, Check Your Head or Paul's Boutique are two unbelievably solid records that require your full attention.
I think you were missing the point of my recommendation, which was to ease the transition into it, and there's a lot of electronica type stuff on Helly Nasty which fitted what Khar was saying he liked. Quite apart from which 'OMGTWOGDSONGZ' is just your opinion, not a solid fact.
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Saul Williams maybe? (http://www.myspace.com/saulwilliams)
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hello nasty? are you absolutely insane? AND you left out Paul's Boutique?
please, don't waste your time with Hello Nasty. two good songs tops. Now, Check Your Head or Paul's Boutique are two unbelievably solid records that require your full attention.
I think you were missing the point of my recommendation, which was to ease the transition into it, and there's a lot of electronica type stuff on Helly Nasty which fitted what Khar was saying he liked. Quite apart from which 'OMGTWOGDSONGZ' is just your opinion, not a solid fact.
you're the only person I've ever seen recommend it in my entire life.
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Okay, the Beastie Boys tracks just sounded like Rage Against the Machine B-Sides to me, and I don't really like rage against the machine. The J5 one sounded completely generic. The Glukoza track, on the other hand, was pretty cool. It weirdly reminded me of Gogol Bordello, and the video wasn't bad, if a bit obvious. I might like it more if I could understand the lyrics...but then again maybe I would like it less.
That's about how I feel about the Glukoza track. I have their album lyring around somewhere. Maybe I'll upload it to the thread that cannot be named.
I would recommend some french rap, but I wouldn't know what to show.
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Well, I dunno. I'd be tempted to label grime a sub-genre myself.
No, grime isn't a sub-genre of hip-hop. It comes from UK garage, it's just that the stuff that has become best known is the stuff closest to hip-hop. It is definitely a different scene with a different background though.
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Ugh, yeah, Consolidated was too preachy by half for me. Their fans' complaints that their t-shirts weren't as cheap as Fugazi's was pretty funny, though.
Must have been their tickets. Fugazi never had t-shirts.
Could be. I sold that album a long time ago, so my memory's hazy at best. I just remember, "We're not... We're not Fugazi. We're not Fugazi. They're way harder than us."
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Try Saul Williams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1llNYAlYrc) again.
Also Roots Manuva (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQrcOqP2j2c)!
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You might like P.O.S. (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=13632530) He is a rapper from Minneapolis who is in the Doomtree collective, and I think you'll like his anger. He also has a punk band called Building Better Bombs. My favorite song from his sophomore album Audition is Bush League Psyche-Out Stuff but I can't find it. Thus, listen to P.O.S. is Ruining My Life- just remember the singing stuff is sampled or stolen or something.
P.O.S. is one of my favorite hip-hop artists. My other favorite is the Heiruspecs (http://www.myspace.com/heiruspecs), another Twin Cities group. A little less angry, but live drums, bass, and keyboards give it a nice live sound added to 2 MC's throwing out solid lyrics. Check out 5ves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc9BjyRhxYk), Get Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBFkzFCHYaI&feature=related), or Position of Strength (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i24lYJBzLu0&feature=related), as these were the best I could find on youtube.
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you're the only person I've ever seen recommend it in my entire life.
Then maybe you should pay more attention in the future. Let's stick to the thread at hand, eh?
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Khar, have you ever listened to Buck 65? This is one of those tracks that I think s really great. Not sure whether it fits in as far as hiphop goes. But it's basically a story, and it's told voer a beat. Umm... Buck 65, Unstoaapble Sam (http://www.mediafire.com/?cjz40z3bu3v[/url)
(*reallly I'm kinda drunk and am not entirely sure anymore what this track sounds like but I did upload it at some point so it's gotta be good right?)
[edit] also, roots manuva is pretty great, as is hell nasty so screw you dude who's hating on it
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Heiruspecs
I just saw them last Thursday! My birthday was Tuesday though, so I kept getting birthday shots, so I don't remember much of it. I woulda recommended them too, but I didn't think Khar would like them as much as the other two.
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I just saw them last Thursday! My birthday was Tuesday though, so I kept getting birthday shots, so I don't remember much of it. I woulda recommended them too, but I didn't think Khar would like them as much as the other two.
Could be. From my experiences though, I have a bunch of friends who don't like hip-hop much but do enjoy Heiruspecs, and they're one of the first bands I usually recommend to people who want good hip-hop. Also, they're really fucking good live. I've seen them at least 5 times by now and every time's better than the last.
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Cadence Weapon - Black Hand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nevf1PjtyVQ
Shit.
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Shimmy Shimmy Ya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbgPZlxbsUc
In future please choose tracks with some fucking MUSIC in kthx.
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Before it??? That's on their first album...
Khar, for Beastie Boys, I suggest you get the albums Check Your Head, Ill Communication and Hello Nasty.
How can you not mention Paul's Boutique?!?! It's top three hip hop albums of all time!
Also, Khar, you're an idiot. Music is two things: Sound and time.
Also, listen to DJ Format, esp. his tracks with Abdominal on the mic. They are great.
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Khar is just RACIST.
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Also, Khar, you're an idiot. Music is two things: Sound and time.
Also, listen to DJ Format, esp. his tracks with Abdominal on the mic. They are great.
You called me an idiot fujck me iof I'm goibng to listen to your advice
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You gave me a new signature, Khar.
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Also, Khar, you're an idiot. Music is two things: Sound and time.
Also, listen to DJ Format, esp. his tracks with Abdominal on the mic. They are great.
You called me an idiot fujck me iof I'm goibng to listen to your advice
I'd rather not fuck you, just in case stupidity has become venereal.
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You wouldn't fuck me boy, it would be me who was balls deep in your pretty arsehole.
UNF UNF UNF.
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You wouldn't fuck me boy, it would be me who was balls deep in your pretty arsehole.
UNF UNF UNF.
No, you wouldn't. See, I have standards.
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A Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders
De La Soul - 3 Feet High and Rising
Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique
Ultramagnetic MCs - Critical Beatdown
Genius/Gza - Liquid Swords
The Roots -Things Fall Apart
And my personal favourite OF ALL TIME(!!):
Edan - Beauty and the Beat
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0007KLLC4.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
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Pretty much the only rap I enjoy listening to is TTC (maybe because I don't understand him? I am unsure), although I grew up with 90s era Dre and Snoop on MTV so that is pretty hardcore engrained into my subconscious.
Also if you're not into rap you might like dubstep? I enjoyed the heck out of Burial and a bunch of other dubstep fellows I downloaded.
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Dudes. I am not going to go out and search for rap albums to download. Especially with this thread so far confirming my opinion that 99% of rap sucks.
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Ok this video is absolutely shit but you'll get to here the song.
Along the same vein as Dose-One and Boom Bip...as in contains Dose-One and is on the same label as both of them, I present cLOUDDEAD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuDHR2OY5h8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuDHR2OY5h8&feature=related)
To get a taste of them live check out their video of Sound Of A Handshake.
And also from Del The Homosapiens label Hieroglyphics, Souls Of Mischief.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mt3vZHDiM8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mt3vZHDiM8)
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Before it??? That's on their first album...
Khar, for Beastie Boys, I suggest you get the albums Check Your Head, Ill Communication and Hello Nasty.
How can you not mention Paul's Boutique?!?! It's top three hip hop albums of all time!
Hint for future exams: read the question.
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Organized Konfusion - Stress (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbFVp6ifTOw).
Awesome bass line + horns + great lines = best single hip-hop track I know of.
Someone said Arrested Development, and I completely agree:
Arrested Development - Mr. Wendal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Kwwglgrbo)
More Beastie Boys:
Shake Yur RUMP-AH! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x9CRogsSfY)
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I don't think hip-hop music is for him, its designed to be repetitive and danceable. True hip-hop just isn’t for him, and he isn’t going to enjoy anything that follows the basic formula of hip-hop, especially stuff that is designed for an MC to flow over. He enjoys break beats, obviously due to his affinity for massive attack and portishead, but break beats that have the same beat for every verse and a slightly altered beat for choruses isn’t going to tickle him the right way.
If he wants to enjoy break beat, then give him some representation of that, I thought the RJD2 post was the closest thing to hip-hop he can get behind, although I’m not sure he listened to it.
While, these are not hip-hop in normal sense, these are Hip-Hop DJ's and Producers working free of making music for MC's to rhyme over. Some of my favorite representations of what a DJ can do with a break beat.
Royksopp - Eple
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl4rwMZWATs
DJ Shadow - Organ Donor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRS8cM4lyKY&feature=related
Blockhead - The Art of Walking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdPtzhnwKSs
Lovage - Stroker Ace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfplM0G0Fzk
Ohh yeah, well, I cant recoment Hip-Hop without reccomending Deltron.
Deltron 3030 - Turbulence (Del tha funky Homosapien, Dan the Automator, Kid Koala)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wa9vZDOY-Y
If you dont like, so be it. At least you listen to music, and not the radio.
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Dudes. I am not going to go out and search for rap albums to download. Especially with this thread so far confirming my opinion that 99% of rap sucks.
Whoa, rap doesn't suck. Maybe you just have bad taste.
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Take a look at this track that Mark Farina samples on his third Mushroom Jazz record. It's quite relaxed and melodic.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8YFy8OFQlJs
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I don't think hip-hop music is for him, its designed to be repetitive and danceable.
I think that Dalek song that was posted earlier disproves this...
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I don't think hip-hop music is for him, its designed to be repetitive and danceable.
I think that Dalek song that was posted earlier disproves this...
Its the exception that proves the rule ;)
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army of pharoahs and immortal technique
political rap at its finest
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On the dubbier side of hip-hop: Roots Manuva - Witness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbuSdXKtJX4)
And, because Jeph brought it up, some dubstep mixes on the heavier side.
Aaron Spectre - Reptile Dub
http://aaronspectre.com/audio/reptiledub.mp3
1. Wonder - What - Dump Valve
2. Nine Inch Nails - Reptile - Nothing
3. Elemental - Deep Under - Hot Flush
4. Shackleton - Tin Foil Sky - Skull Disco
5. DJ C - Acid Bounce - Dub
6. Toasty Boy - Dreamweavers - Storming
7. Elemental - Soulfire - Destructive
8. Search & Destroy - Dub Weapon
9. Search & Destroy - Killamanjaro
10. Mark One - The Bomb - Southside Dubstars
11. Toasty Boy - Splash - Destructive
12. Warlock - More Wanted - Rag & Bone
13. Slaughter Mob - Saddam - Soulja
14. Warrior Queen - Almighty Father (Solid Groove Remix)
15. Aaron Spectre - One Two - Dub
16. Sky City Rising - Fever Gasp - Broklyn Beats
17. Aaron Spectre - Music is the Weapon - Dub
18. Vex'd - Lion - Subtext
19. Buju Banton - Vigilante
20. Vex'd - Lion VIP - Planet Mu
21. Noisia - The Tide - Vision
22. Basis - An Army of Clones - Dub
23. Soundmurderer - Soundclash - Rewind
24. General Malice - Kill 'Em All - N2O
25. Aaron Spectre & Prodigal Son - Say Yeh - Mindtrick Dub
26. Mochipet - Botan Rice Breaks (Aaron Spectre remix) - Daly City Dub
27. Drumcorps - Terrible Things - Ad Noiseam / CRD
28. Drumcorps - Forgive and Forget - Ad Noiseam / CRD
Vex'd - Live at Resonance
http://www.dnbshare.com/download/VexdResonanceFM.mp3.html
Vex'd - Live @ Resonance 2006
Tracklisting:
Vex’d - Jerusalem
Ironsoul - ?
Distance - Fallen (Vex’d remix)
Tes La Rock - Cold Blooded
Bug ft Flowdan - Jah War
Hijack - Nightmarez
Distance - Ska
Vex’d - Venus
Distance - My Demons
Kode9 + Spaceape - Bodies
Vex’d - Fire (Dj Blood1 remix)
Matty G - 50 000 watts
Untitled 1
Untitled 2
Untitled 3
Vex’d - 3rd Choice
Vex’d - Seven Scars
Vex’d - Killing Floor
Vex’d - Nails
Vex’d - Out of the Hills
Kode9 + Spaceape - Quantum
Untitled 4
John Richards ft Genia - Suite for Piano + Electronics, no2 (Vex’d remix)
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I am a fan of a lot of music, and there is very little I won't at least give a chance. That being said, Khar, keep in mind that "hip-hop" is a very broad phrase in terms of music, especially in this day and age: saying that will get you answers ranging from hardcore rap to trip-hop to electronica/dance with rapping overtop. That being said...
Gym Class Heroes: As Cruel As School Children
Clothes Off!! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6NUxMgzHdic)
The Queen and I (http://youtube.com/watch?v=vwbgEjFz394)
Scandalous Scholastics (http://youtube.com/watch?v=rMF4y0I1j_c)
See also:
Snoop Dogg (pre-2000, preferably)
Dr. Dre (esp. Chonic 2000 and 2001)
Kanye West (College Dropout, Late Registration, and Graduation)
Lupe Fiasco (Food & Liquor)
You said you didn't like the Beastie Boys songs that got linked earlier; I'd like to have one album to link you to, but all of their albums are a healthy mix of the more heavy, metal/rock-esque tunes and their more rap-esque songs. The latter you may like. Some of them include Sure Shot (http://youtube.com/watch?v=M5GXj1jwb1U), from Ill Communication, and Paul Revere (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tEM3dW2oWW4) and Brass Monkey (http://youtube.com/watch?v=vv4Byr72urw), both off License to Ill.
I'm tired as hell, more to come possibly. Also maybe links for the above.
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army of pharoahs and immortal technique
political rap at its finest
Eh...Immortal Technique repeats the same stuff OVER AND OVER AND OVER again and often the stuff he says just sounds idiotic. He has some good stuff but a lot of the time it's just annoying to listen to.
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Sev Static, album Slow Burn.
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If you don't like A Tribe Called Quest, I don't know WHAT to tell you.
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Its the exception that proves the rule ;)
Do you have any idea what you're talking about? There are many exceptions to that "rule."
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If you don't like A Tribe Called Quest, I don't know WHAT to tell you.
this.
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Lupe Fiasco.
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Can someone please upload TTC's 3165 and TEPR's En Direct de la Côte? Pretty please? I mean, I can do it, but I am at work at the moment and also my home connection's upstream sucks cock/some cocks.
Khar, this is pretty much cheating, but here: http://xplosif.net/trash/mp3s/Slayer%20%26%20Ice%20T%20-%20Disorder.mp3
Slayer and Ice-T from the Judgement Night soundtrack. Disorder.
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Also, I thought I did this earlier, but I'll do it now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgocxagMFV0
That is TTC and Modeselektor, Dancing Box. It's a live vid and the sound isn't all that good, but you'll get the gist. French. Glitchy. Spazzy.
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After reading all of these great underground selections (Doseone & Boom Bip FTW!), I'm a little surprised noone's suggested Prefuse 73...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrpMKKO2e6E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrpMKKO2e6E) <--Prefuse 73 featuring Ghostface Killah & El-P - Hideyaface.
The video sucks, but the song is awesome. If you're looking for hip-hop with melody, Prefuse is the MAN. Ghostface Killah at his best since Wu-Tang in my opinion...
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Most of CCP (Cool Calm Pete) s solo stuff is good, but lacking in the DJ department.
That said, CCP w/ RJD2 made an excellent song: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4_gnTkf_sjY (http://youtube.com/watch?v=4_gnTkf_sjY)
Aesop Rock
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aLbcxcVcZks (http://youtube.com/watch?v=aLbcxcVcZks) Fast Cars, Danger, Fire and Knives
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OBjJ9tpylZ4 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OBjJ9tpylZ4) Freeze
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wEghwRmI9KA (http://youtube.com/watch?v=wEghwRmI9KA) <--Listen to this song, its a story about his upbringing and the Catholic Church
But WTF, no mention of...
They ain't nuthin ta fuck with (http://youtube.com/watch?v=27zhsc_O508)
I could think of more, but there is work to be done
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Going in a completely different direction from what you've so far found listenable here. Repetitive, simple beat + fantastic old school blues samples + best flowing rapper I've ever heard, regardless of his whiteness - gangsta stereotype - overproduction = great hip hop without the downfalls of it
Lets see if you like anything in this vein at all. Also, don't let the political content turn you off. The lyrics are strong as fuck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ
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"Talking about you don't support a crackhead
What you think happens to the money from yo' taxes
Shit the governments an addict
With a billion dollar a week kill brown people habit"
I think I might have to get Brother Ali's album, this shit is awesome.
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I was going to post some Spank Rock, whose debut is one of my favorite rap records. But I forgot. Great party music.
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My house-mate is way into Brother Ali, Sage Francis, Lyrics Born & Atmosphere. I like what I hear when he plays some, but even though I went on a Sage Francis kick a while back I generally don't think about playing them all that much myself anymore.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ
Now, this is alright. Because of the MUSIC. Still a bit simple though, but I can imagine listening to this maybe when I am stoned.
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I think the problem, as people before have said, is what you call music. In my mind, Hip-Hop IS music, just a different kind. Its music that tends to have a strict emphasis on lyrical content and flow. ie: the MC IS the music. The backing beat is just that. Background. Its not like a "traditional" band that expects to put multiple peices of music together to create a song.
If you go in to rap or hip hop expecting band songs in the same sense as a rock/metal/whatever band, you will be dissapointed, because they arent there.
If you go in with an open mind, and listen for the lyrical content then you might be surprised at what you find.
side note:Body Count (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hX6Wuj1T-E). Shitty video, but one of their better songs.
Or Stuck Mojo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY8J8o0QHME). another Mojo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjR6-KeApzo))
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No, I know it's music. I'm not that much of an asshole. I just find the repetition of one unchanging beat over and over to be utterly tedious and without interest. Your comment about bands doesn't make any sense. I listen to shitloads of EBM, dub, post-industrial, whatever, and those people can put together decent songs without being a band.
As for lyrics, I can't even work out what the dudes are saying in a good few of these tbh. Lyrically, the ones I can hear haven't really impressed me, except for the cLOUDEAD song someone posted I think on the last page, which incidentally, I liked a bit. A lot of it seems pretty blatant and tired. "Help, help I'm being oppressed!". Not that I'm sure these words aren't laden with truth, but man, I already read left-wing blogs, I don't need that shit bashed around with a rhyming dictionary and set to a crappy beat as well.
And Body Count are a hardcore band. WTF?
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haven't read any of this thread except the first post, so excuse me if these have already been suggested
Hardnoise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoPHDdb7gnA
GZA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQPJUV3n6Ss
GZA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBcZLJGD4Uk
Mobb Deep: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVcEU-JNpPk
M.O.P.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWcfmkslT48
Slick Rick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRC4ziQpb5I (this song got me liking hip-hop)
Onyx: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6oF04D7z6c
and...if you're feeling brave: http://www.myspace.com/thefoodforanimals
i have no idea if this is what you were looking for, but this is some stuff i like
edit: btw rap videos are mad gay lol
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edit: btw rap videos are mad gay lol
NO HOMO!
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.. what the fuck just happened to this thread?
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The rap I like is stuff like Public Enemy and De La Soul.
I bought The Chronic recently. I couldn't get into it. It seemed to me like the invention of obsessively market conscious rap, which cares more about franchising itself and creating an image than making any kind of good music or real statement.
Plus there's some newer stuff I can get into. Madvillain, Dangerdoom, Clipse, Outkast, etc.
I don't like the Beastie Boys. But I *could* like them if I could get past their annoying whine-screaming voices, especially since they got more electronic. And especially after they stopped pandering to washout teenagers who hate their parents.
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Posts that start out "haven't read any of this thread except the first post" are not a very good idea.
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No, I know it's music. I'm not that much of an asshole. I just find the repetition of one unchanging beat over and over to be utterly tedious and without interest. Your comment about bands doesn't make any sense. I listen to shitloads of EBM, dub, post-industrial, whatever, and those people can put together decent songs without being a band.
As for lyrics, I can't even work out what the dudes are saying in a good few of these tbh. Lyrically, the ones I can hear haven't really impressed me, except for the cLOUDEAD song someone posted I think on the last page, which incidentally, I liked a bit. A lot of it seems pretty blatant and tired. "Help, help I'm being oppressed!". Not that I'm sure these words aren't laden with truth, but man, I already read left-wing blogs, I don't need that shit bashed around with a rhyming dictionary and set to a crappy beat as well.
And Body Count are a hardcore band. WTF?
It was moreso just an analogy, as rap / hiphop tends NOT to vary the background beat much, except during breaks / choruses / what-have-you. I wasnt being critical of someone not liking that (I realise now how heavy handed my "open-mind" statement may have come across). But it is something that takes getting used to.
I am very picky of what hip hop I listen to, and I tend to gravitate towards lyrically interesting people/groups, the majority of what is on the radio tends to be overly repetative, highly sexist/mysoginistic (spelling?)/ and utterly boring. I do enjoy listening to Ludacris every once in a while, as I think he has actual lyrical talent, but I dont think its something you would be looking for.
If you havent already, I suggest you listen to the Aesop Rock videos I posted. While I cannot claim to know what the hell most of his songs are about, he writes very well, and I dont think I have found a song of his I dislike. (Although I do really enjoy Zodiaccupuncture and Holy Smokes more than others).
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army of pharoahs and immortal technique
political rap at its finest
Eh...Immortal Technique repeats the same stuff OVER AND OVER AND OVER again and often the stuff he says just sounds idiotic. He has some good stuff but a lot of the time it's just annoying to listen to.
actually immortal technique is very varied, and besides his highlight anyways is the beats
army of pharoahs though should not be taken lightly
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well if you normally like rock, or metal
then listen to the song Bring the Noise by Anthrax. featuring Public Enemy
it started the whole rap metal thing, for which it should be dragged out in the street and shot, but that is a sweet song.
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well if you normally like rock, or metal
then listen to the song Bring the Noise by Anthrax. featuring Public Enemy
it started the whole rap metal thing, for which it should be dragged out in the street and shot, but that is a sweet song.
Not by a long shot, really. Run-D.M.C.’s cover of “Walk This Way” with Steve Tyler and Joe Perry was a top-five hit half a decade before Anthrax covered Public Enemy. Heck, Public Enemy themselves were sampling Slayer on the same album as the original “Bring the Noise.”
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well if you normally like rock, or metal
then listen to the song Bring the Noise by Anthrax. featuring Public Enemy
it started the whole rap metal thing, for which it should be dragged out in the street and shot, but that is a sweet song.
Not by a long shot, really. Run-D.M.C.’s cover of “Walk This Way” with Steve Tyler and Joe Perry was a top-five hit half a decade before Anthrax covered Public Enemy. Heck, Public Enemy themselves were sampling Slayer on the same album as the original “Bring the Noise.”
i stand corrected! although walk this way is more of a rock song.
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Two more tries
Japanese noise rock rap group 54-71
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARx1Ncpcu9s&feature=related
I love this band, sometimes the lead singer really isn't rapping, but I love he plays with the sound of his voice.
Subtle
It has one of the guys from cLOUDDEAD in it.. the one who can rap really fast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5HVRe7UDuc&feature=related
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Sorry, I gave up on this thread, because hip hop is pretty awful.
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Sorry, dude. At least no one can accuse you of making an uninformed decision.
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I think Khar is a rare specimen of "cannot but most importantly WILL not" actually :-D
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No, I know it's music. I'm not that much of an asshole. I just find the repetition of one unchanging beat over and over to be utterly tedious and without interest.
What do you think about non-hip-hop repetitive stuff like Steve Reich, Shellac, early blues, Aphex Twin's Select Ambient Works Vol 2, Philip Glass, etc.?
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Hip hop isn't that repetitve.
I Am Sitting in a Room is repetitive.
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There is a rather large difference between ambient music, or repetitive no-wave or industrial or whatever, and what has been presented to me here, and elsewhere, of hip-hop. Basically it comes down to a sense of progression. To my ear, most of these songs do not appear to be moving anywhere. The beat is a simple loop and the rapping monotonous. There doesn't appear to be any structure or whatnot to the song. The beat is not a musical element which builds through repetition, but a metronome for the rapping, which I find uninteresting. If you were to compare this to, say, New Mind by Swans or Han Som Reiste by Burzum (plucking two examples of very sparse, repetitive songs that I enjoy out of the air) I think the difference is clear. Mostly in that such music does not actually present a single unchanging beat, but music that changes and builds slowly over time. Hell, my own music uses a lot of repetition. But most of these songs don't even use a complete section of music. It's just one beat.
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^hmm, wasnt expecting you to use a burzum song as an example of ambient music, but i guess thats what the recent albums are, eh?
yeah, i know what you are saying about the different types of repitition in music. say electric wizard. most of their songs are like 10 minutes long and consist of 5 or less riffs (ididn't actually count, just a guess) yet they dont seem to be as repetative as most mainstream rap is. like in the electric wizard songs, for one thing they are played very loosely by actual live instruments and have an organic quality, in that it doesnt just sound like a loop. other intruments fade in and out, the dynamics change and all that. on the other hand in a lot of rap, there is a main beat and maybe a short melody line. they may have once been live instruments, but after they repeat the one sample throughout the song without any breaks or changes, it sounds pretty damn robotic.
thats a pretty good reason not to like rap, but not all rap is like that.
anyways, dont totally close off from rap, but i see where you are coming from, where you just dont want to dig any deeper. you have to sift through a lot of sand to find gold, but in this case there is hell of a lot of sand.
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I don't have a lot of hope, but hey, it's a good song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foEU2WHdOzA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foEU2WHdOzA) (Alphabet Aerobics and Chemical Calisthenics - Blackalicious)
Also: I know Lupe Fiasco was already recommended, but Khar pointed out numerous times he wasn't going to seek the music out on his own, so here's a track, "The Instrumental": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee_DL82rNMU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee_DL82rNMU)
There was this other, really underground, seldom heard track by Lupe Fiasco...about skateboarding, but I don't know if he'd be able to handle it. *eyes dart back and forth*
What the hell, why not: Brown Skin Lady - Black Star http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JjKhu24QEk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JjKhu24QEk)
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What the hell, why not: Brown Skin Lady - Black Star http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JjKhu24QEk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JjKhu24QEk)
For the longest time I thought the chorus went, -And everybody on the avenue I knew played the citizen,
but I think this was just paranoia oozing
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this sure won't help you like hip-hop:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFyvYQkHPd8&NR=1
and neither will this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV1dpMdOzrk
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this sure won't help you like hip-hop
Read the topic and try again.
read: I honestly thought both of those songs were pretty okay.
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i did read the thread, including the part where he claims he's pretty much given up on hip-hop.
also, reverse psychology.
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I know it's probably too late, but he will probably dig Busdriver. As far as beat progression goes, you're not going to get very far with that anyways, as that's sort of a staple. But Busdriver is one of the few rappers I can think of who tries to push the boundaries of what rap/hip-hop is. His style varies from song to song, which is why the link below is his myspace and not a video. I don't listen to a whole lot of rap as it is (outside of Atmosphere, Lupe Fiasco, and some of the 'classics'), but Busdriver is my favorite. If this is any indicator, people like to label him as Avantcore, which he later parodies in a song of his.
Busdriver (http://www.myspace.com/busdriver)
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yeah, i know what you are saying about the different types of repitition in music. say electric wizard. most of their songs are like 10 minutes long and consist of 5 or less riffs (ididn't actually count, just a guess) yet they dont seem to be as repetative as most mainstream rap is. like in the electric wizard songs, for one thing they are played very loosely by actual live instruments and have an organic quality, in that it doesnt just sound like a loop. other intruments fade in and out, the dynamics change and all that. on the other hand in a lot of rap, there is a main beat and maybe a short melody line. they may have once been live instruments, but after they repeat the one sample throughout the song without any breaks or changes, it sounds pretty damn robotic.
Well, the problem is with the idea that "robotic" is a negative thing. They're supposed to sound like loops. Asking for them not to be is like saying "give me some rock music that use only a string orchestra, no guitars and no percussion". It's missing the point. At least to me, a lot of hip-hop uses time in a different manner than most other styles, and "progression" is not the focus. If you want to get into it and it sounds foreign, adjust the way you approach musical form instead of asking it to fit your own previous notion. Kind of applies to any style of music, really.
Here are a couple that may kind of fit into "hip-hop for rock fans" without being completely embarrassing to the point of hip-hop. The artists have been mentioned before, but I didn't see these songs:
El-P - Deep Space 9mm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNJFq6VjHJI)
Aesop Rock - Daylight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXAKOfk7_ho)
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Just in case Khar is still checking this, Mr Lif & Insight - Iron Helix (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OSUlS3w82Po).
I Doubt it will change your mind, but the story it tells seems like something you might enjoy.
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This song has progression! The beat changes several times and there are several extended melodic lines that change the feel of the song considerably over time. It's one of my favorites. Also, it's "smart" enough for Khar, I think. Name-dropping David Hume and Stephen Jay Gould? Yes please.
Canibus - Poet Laureate II (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I80ZVcYPuek&feature=related")
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Wow, this thread totally made my head hurt.
the first 2 pages of suggestions were utter trash. a few people posted decent stuff like ATCQ and De La, which are definitely good places to ease yourself into hip hop.
what i would recommend totally depends on your preferences to music in general. do you like soul and funk music? is your focus primarily on the production or on what is being rhymed by the emcee.
without further adieu, albums i would recommend to a newcomer to ease them into hip hop would be (watch out for your backpacks kids)
(http://bp3.blogger.com/_HlWcV8PS-wc/RnoT2OL7PZI/AAAAAAAAAQI/OXnLnaZA8rY/s400/Black+Star+-+%5B1998%5D+-+%5BRWK+1158-2%5D+-+Mos+Def+%26+Talib+Kweli+Are+Blackstar+%28front2%29.jpg)
Mos Def & Talib Kweli Are: Blackstar.
after a cooling off period, conscious rap was brought back by these two Brooklyn natives. an excellent album for the backpacker elite
Respiration is a highlight
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000067CLQ.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)
Talib Kweli and DJ Hi-Tek - Reflection Eternal
another great backpack album. the beats on this are great. if "Move Something" or "Down For The Count" doesn't get your head nodding, i don't know what will.
(http://img.crocmusic.com/l/albums/36/nas_illmatic.jpg)
Nas - Illmatic. the greatest hip hop album of all time. written by a 20yo Queensbridge projects native with gritty street observations at a time where overdone gangsta rap was pillaging the airwaves. a breath of fresh air.
(http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000024I1W.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt. the cocaine dreamer and tales of hustling and slinging that white. Great beats. Dead Presidents II is one of the highlights.
(http://www.netweed.com/prohiphop/graf/wutanglogo2.jpg)
Wu-Tang Clan - Enter The 36 Chambers.
just fucking phenomenal.
i would post at least 100 albums dude could listen to but i can't be bothered. start there.
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Dissing on everyone's taste is a great way to start posting here.
Oh, wait...
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Jay-Z makes me vomit in my mouth a little.
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lots of big ass pictures.
well damn, now that i know what these albums look like i cant wait to go out and try them! shit they all look so cool, they must make good music, right?
[/bit of sarcasm]
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Rascalz(from Vancouver,BC)
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=PL3i7zfSonc
http://vikrecordings.com/rascalz/
K'Naan
http://www.myspace.com/knaanmusic
http://www.thedustyfoot.com/
Swollen Members
http://www.swollenmembers.com
http://www.myspace.com/swollenmembers
Warsaw Pack(disbanded)
http://www.myspace.com/warsawpack
Buck 65
http://www.myspace.com/buck65
http://www.buck65.com
Sweatshop Union
http://www.myspace.com/sweatshopunion7
http://www.sweatshopunion.com/
yeah, i like supporting Canadian groups.
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This thread is a good example of exactly why closed mindedness and elitism is so much better then the alternative. Khar attempted the open minded path; in the end he wasted a fair bit of his time to no avail. Don't bother forcefully exposing yourself to different genres; listen to the music you like and avoid the music that you don't like. Seems simple enough, really.
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Dissing on everyone's taste is a great way to start posting here.
Oh, wait...
mediocre underground crews are not the best introduction to hip hop.
oh, wait....
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What?
You're doin it wrong
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Binary Star and most Ann Arbor artists are very decent as well.
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This thread is a good example of exactly why closed mindedness and elitism is so much better then the alternative. Khar attempted the open minded path; in the end he wasted a fair bit of his time to no avail.
Of course it was to no avail if he was going to judge it by the same standards he judges other music. "Man, classical sucks, where are the guitar riffz?"
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This thread is a good example of exactly why closed mindedness and elitism is so much better then the alternative. Khar attempted the open minded path; in the end he wasted a fair bit of his time to no avail.
Of course it was to no avail if he was going to judge it by the same standards he judges other music. "Man, classical sucks, where are the guitar riffz?"
Classical has riffs, even if they're not played on guitar.
Rap/Hip Hop doesn't, and that's one of the reasons why it's not good, certainly.
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Swollen Members
Swollen Members are absolute shit now.
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I've heard Jay-Z and Wu-Tang, didn't like them, won't be downloading your suggestions, get off your horse, etc.
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I love these hip-hop sucks people. it's always good for a good laugh or 50.
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Dissing on everyone's taste is a great way to start posting here.
Oh, wait...
mediocre underground crews are not the best introduction to hip hop.
oh, wait....
He was asking for hip-hop that had some iota of progression.
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Swollen Members
Swollen Members are absolute shit now.
hehe
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I'm judging hip-hop by the same standards I judge the other music I listen to. Like, you know, Coil, Art of Noise, Laibach, Alien Sex Fiend, Blood Axis, Neuroticfish, and all the other tons of electronic music, often repetitive, with monotone vocals and lots of sampling, that I listen to. And rap is just boring as all hell compared to that stuff.
Don't even see how you could dance to half the stuff here.
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:roll:
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Here's one that'll totally
destroy errr umm, Invigorate you with faith in hip-hop and cRAP!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19XmNXeAvIg
And yes, she is dead serious.
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I know you said you gave up. And I know its 9 minutes long, but you should totally listen to the whole thing anyway.
its much more composed than your average rap song, it has the build up you were asking for, the lyrics are not political, nor about how many money rappers make. The bit in the middle might come off as trying to hard to be deep, but the imagery in the lyrics is solid, and beat is is pleasant.
http://www.last.fm/music/Blackalicious/_/Release
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Of course it was to no avail if he was going to judge it by the same standards he judges other music. "Man, classical sucks, where are the guitar riffz?"
If he has to lower his quality standards to listen to rap it probably isn't worth it.
Asking for guitar riffz in classical music is lowering your quality standards?
I'm judging hip-hop by the same standards I judge the other music I listen to. Like, you know, Coil, Art of Noise, Laibach, Alien Sex Fiend, Blood Axis, Neuroticfish, and all the other tons of electronic music, often repetitive, with monotone vocals and lots of sampling, that I listen to.
Yeah, a bunch of music made by white people.
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I'm judging hip-hop by the same standards I judge the other music I listen to. Like, you know, Coil, Art of Noise, Laibach, Alien Sex Fiend, Blood Axis, Neuroticfish, and all the other tons of electronic music, often repetitive, with monotone vocals and lots of sampling, that I listen to.
Yeah, a bunch of music made by white people.
What kind of terrible, useless point is that? Are you saying black people and white people AREN'T the same? Are you a RACIST?
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I'm judging hip-hop by the same standards I judge the other music I listen to. Like, you know, Coil, Art of Noise, Laibach, Alien Sex Fiend, Blood Axis, Neuroticfish, and all the other tons of electronic music, often repetitive, with monotone vocals and lots of sampling, that I listen to.
Yeah, a bunch of music made by white people.
What kind of terrible, useless point is that? Are you saying black people and white people AREN'T the same? Are you a RACIST?
Sounds like KharBevNor is, given his tastes and attitude.
Historically, black people in the US have developed a partially separate culture than whites due to the way they were treated. This culture has obviously affected their musical style, including what aspects of the music are responsible for the music's emotional impact (any separation in culture can affect this). Naturally, approaching and interpreting hip-hop by comparing it to how British industrial artists make their music effective is misguided.
Again, it's like expecting "guitar riffs" in classical music. You said "classical has riffs", and that goes with my point: what makes "riffs" inherently a good thing? They just happened to be part of the music you grew up with and are therefore familiar to you. And why do "riffs" overtake "guitar" in importance? There are plenty of young rockers who only enjoy distorted guitar music, so that guitars have become a part of the standards in which they approach music. And we can all see that if they approach classical with the notion of guitars being the main effective form of musical technique, and then reject it based on those grounds, seemingly ignorant that classical is not based on distorted guitar, it would be kind of silly. Why not the same for hip-hop and riffs (and similar such standards)?
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I love classical.
What the hell is going on here?
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Rockist.
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(http://www.mopsquad.com/movies/images/rocky.jpg)?
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That is what is wrong with being rocky
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Sounds like KharBevNor is, given his tastes and attitude.
Historically, black people in the US have developed a partially separate culture than whites due to the way they were treated. This culture has obviously affected their musical style, including what aspects of the music are responsible for the music's emotional impact (any separation in culture can affect this). Naturally, approaching and interpreting hip-hop by comparing it to how British industrial artists make their music effective is misguided.
Again, it's like expecting "guitar riffs" in classical music. You said "classical has riffs", and that goes with my point: what makes "riffs" inherently a good thing? They just happened to be part of the music you grew up with and are therefore familiar to you. And why do "riffs" overtake "guitar" in importance? There are plenty of young rockers who only enjoy distorted guitar music, so that guitars have become a part of the standards in which they approach music. And we can all see that if they approach classical with the notion of guitars being the main effective form of musical technique, and then reject it based on those grounds, seemingly ignorant that classical is not based on distorted guitar, it would be kind of silly. Why not the same for hip-hop and riffs (and similar such standards)?
Man, look, I get it. All you're saying is that black people are inherently inferior in regards to making music. That's your opinion, I guess, but we don't really need it here.
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I love classical.
What the hell is going on here?
What music do you like made by black people?
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You know, black (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Grant_Still) people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Joplin) can write Classical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevalier_de_Saint-Georges) music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Coleridge-Taylor) too
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Sorry dogg my bad
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Oh man, you guys are totally missing the point of hip hop by suggesting all these actually decent rappers like Aesop/ Mos Def/ etc. whatever. The point of hip hop is that it's fucking hilarious. Please listen to the lyrics in this Diplomats song and if you don't pee your pants from lauging then you take yourself too seriously and we can't be friends. http://youtube.com/watch?v=rzzO9tdgMtM.
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aaaaah, shit. and by lauging i mean laughing. dammit.
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Oh man, you guys are totally missing the point of hip hop by suggesting all these actually decent rappers like Aesop/ Mos Def/ etc. whatever. The point of hip hop is that it's fucking hilarious. Please listen to the lyrics in this Diplomats song and if you don't pee your pants from lauging then you take yourself too seriously and we can't be friends. http://youtube.com/watch?v=rzzO9tdgMtM.
All that song did was piss me off so I guess we can't be friends :-[
Good rap from Holland:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=axIlMDj_Mls (http://youtube.com/watch?v=axIlMDj_Mls)
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What music do you like made by black people?
Scientist, King Tubby, Keith Hudson, The Aggrovators, The Specials, X-Ray Spex, Dizzee Rascal, Thin Lizzy, Skindred, JME, Znowhite, The Skatalites, Desmond Dekker, Bad Brains, Dub War, Parliament, Lee Perry, Jimmy Hendrix...what was your point again?
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Jimmy Hendrix
Jimmy Hendrix
Jimmy
Sorry, just a pet peeve.
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I should have caught that. I have this Finnish mate named after him and it's kind of hilarious because a)he is about as far from Jimi Hendrix as you could possibly be and still be human and b) he pronounces it 'yimmy'.
But seriously man it's after midnight, don't be a douche.
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Most people I start out on hip-hop take to OutKast right away.
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I should have caught that. I have this Finnish mate named after him and it's kind of hilarious because a)he is about as far from Jimi Hendrix as you could possibly be and still be human and b) he pronounces it 'yimmy'.
hee. I love my Finn genes.
But seriously man it's after midnight, don't be a douche.
Time zones, dude. It's like 7 45 here. Besides, I call shenanigans on your excuse.
But I digress. Thread continue.
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Deltron 3030
(Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, Kid Koala, Dan The Automator)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf5yOqEp9OY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf5yOqEp9OY)
Really fun hip hop album that doesn't take itself too seriously.
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What music do you like made by black people?
Scientist, King Tubby, Keith Hudson, The Aggrovators, The Specials, X-Ray Spex, Dizzee Rascal, Thin Lizzy, Skindred, JME, Znowhite, The Skatalites, Desmond Dekker, Bad Brains, Dub War, Parliament, Lee Perry, Jimmy Hendrix...what was your point again?
<sarcasm> B...but that's not black music, that's white music made by black people. </sarcasm>
Speaking of hilariously terrible hip-hip: Chuggo: "Ahh C'mon Fuck a Guy" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=HhszQbOl95k) (Not Safe for Work lyrics)
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Try the Hill top Hoods, it may just be that they hail from my home town, but they're quite good in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQE-790aGFo (the album version of the same song is better)
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I love how this thread has brought people to the forums; not to read whole threads before responding, not to figure out how to use edit buttons rather than double posting, to blatantly insult everyone, to throw the word "racist" around, et cetera et cetera.
THESE AR SUM QUAL'TY PEEPLE COMIN TO THIS HEER FORUM.
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Dang, I want in on the racism accusations!
If you don't like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x7c79SUGRM), you hate brown people.
You don't.... hate brown people... do you?
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<sarcasm> B...but that's not black music, that's white music made by black people. </sarcasm>
This is white music?] (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9xJ9fggYhvY)
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Sure, man! Jamaican dub is whiter than Andy Griffith eating a mayonnaise sandwich with the crust cut off. :laugh:
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Citizen Cope doesn't really use repetitive beats that I can recall, but he's barely Hip-Hop. He's kind of hard to pin down into one genre at all though.
If you like Mark Ronson's stuff, I've got a hilarious version of him doing Toxic with ODB rapping over it which is worth listening to just for the entertainment value.
And of course, there's Wipe Out 2000 by Steve Vai. I have no clue who's rapping on that song, though.
I'll upload these when I get home.
I'd suggest Talib Kweli's "Eardrum" and second Black Star's self-titled, but those two albums sound like normal hip-hop/rap and therefore, as good as they are, you probably will have a hard time appreciating them.
I get where you're coming from, though. I used to say that the only genre I didn't like any songs from was metal. Any metal. Then I found Rob Zombie, but the only reason I like him is because some of his stuff is danceable and well, I'm a dancer. Sometimes the things that make a genre what it is just don't appeal to you.
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Well I didnt have time to read the entire thread soo here goes...
Some of these are good for hip hop begginers - others are just sick (opinion)
Jurassic 5 - power in numbers
Eyedea and abilites - self titled
gnarles barkely - self titled
gorrilaz - demon dayz
outkast - any album (mainstream)
aesop rock - labor days
Living Legends - Self titled
ooo and and indie rock / hip hop band called Why?
well there it is for ya (if your still even on this kick) :-)
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Erm, hasn't Khar already said 'give up, this isn't working'?
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Erm, hasn't Khar already said 'give up, this isn't working'?
guess so... like i said i did not have time to read the entire thread..
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If I was Est or Jeph or whatnot, I would totally be banning the next fucking person to say "I didn't have time to read the entire thread'.
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I didn't have time to read the entire thread.
...Sorry, guys.
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Marry me.
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To be fair, I don't have time to read page after page of you dismissing music that doesn't involve white dudes singing about paganism.
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Yes because that is the only thing I ever listen to.
(Sometimes it is white ladies!)
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I think most rap/hip hop is utterly tasteless shit, but there are a few good bands in this genre.
Asheru
Rage Against The Machine
Afroman
Gorillaz (not really hip hop but there is rapping in it)
There are most likely others out there that are just as good as these, these are the only ones I could think of off the top of my head.
On a different note:
The Beastie Boys are just plain awful.
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I think most rap/hip hop is utterly tasteless shit.
On a different note:
The Beastie Boys are just plain awful.
You've failed on three levels. The first two were quoted.
The third one was again, not reading the goddamn thread.
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I don't see why anything pre-Hello Nasty Beastie Boys is bad. methinks you need to listen to Paul's Boutique, as this thread has already suggested.
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Let's add RATM to that list of fail.
Let's not!
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Spluff has the right idea - RATM are one of the better examples of rap-meets-rock. Until you hit slam death metal.
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Marry me.
You say that a lot, don't you?
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slam death metal.
... Do I want to know or is it horrible?
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I don't see why anything pre-Hello Nasty Beastie Boys is bad. methinks you need to listen to Paul's Boutique, as this thread has already suggested.
Who are you talking to here? Because if it's me, I suggest you're another person who's not getting what I was saying at all.
You say that a lot, don't you?
I say it to newbies a lot.
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slam death metal.
... Do I want to know or is it horrible?
No you don't and yes it is.
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(http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l172/nephilym/rnbcreator2.jpg)
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Congratulations, you clearly know fuck all about the music in question.
Not least because we're talking about hip-hop and rap, not r'n'b. Well done.
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I don't see why anything pre-Hello Nasty Beastie Boys is bad. methinks you need to listen to Paul's Boutique, as this thread has already suggested.
Who are you talking to here? Because if it's me, I suggest you're another person who's not getting what I was saying at all.
no sir, it was to itsrabid who said that the beastie boys are just plain awful.
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Actually I had a good laugh at that image.
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Congratulations, you clearly know fuck all about the music in question.
Not least because we're talking about hip-hop and rap, not r'n'b. Well done.
What the image is describing is hip-hop and rap, Microsoft just clearly doesn't know what it's talking about. Although the image clearly has a few flaws mainly it doesn't have a subject of "money" or "how awesome I am" It's pretty great. But I'm sure the next version of Microsoft Hit Wizard will be updated so that it doesn't offend you so much.
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Congratulations, captain ignorant.
And Johnny, I would laugh at such an image... if I had an impression of it being posted ironically. Irony is the key to success!
I wish I listened to the people on this forum prattling about indie bands that no-one else cares about so I could insult some of them...
...I want to say ...Deerhoof?
Our survey says...
"I need to go to bed." - 99
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... Do I want to know or is it horrible?
Yes you do and it's fantastic.
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What the heck does slam death metal have to do with rap? I didn't think dying fetus were particularly rappy.
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Slam death metal has rap influence. Apparently.