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Title: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: KharBevNor on 17 May 2008, 08:20
Somebody please think of the children! (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=566481&in_page_id=1879&ICO=FEMAIL&ICL=TOPART)


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Some describe it as a cult or a sect

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she'd inflicted the wounds herself and that it was part of an emo "initiation ceremony".

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Only after her death would they discover how she had secretly chatted online to emo followers all over the world, talking about death and of the "black parade" — a place where emos believe they go after they die.



SYNOPSIS: Clearly clinically disturbed girl with history of self-harm starts wearing black then kills herself. Parents blame Blink 182.

Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Thaes on 17 May 2008, 08:27
I have discussed about this article (or more precisely a different, although very similar, artile about the same issue) with people on another forum, but the ignorance of the press and of that girl´s parents still surprises me. I mean, who on their right minds points the blaming finger solely at the direction of certain music or subculture? It is as ridiculous as calling violent video games the sole reason for those school shootings.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 May 2008, 08:33
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Black Parade

[img width= height=]http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z121/flyasi/normal_P1080995.jpg[/img]

AM I DOIN IT RITE?

It drives me mad that people automatically assume that teenagers kill themselves because it's "fashionable" or "cool". Lots of my friends listen to Blink and MCR, or have dyed black hair with a long fringe, and wear skinny jeans, but that doesn't make them depressed. I don't even need to say this because we all know that the article is stereotyping and stupid, but I can't believe that people would be so quick to blame a fashion trend rather than look at the possible reasons their child might feel they can't cope in life.

I'm in no way belittling Hannah's parents' grief, but it won't make them feel any better to blame the music she listened to. And surely the more the media link emo to suicide, the more likely it is that children who feel suicidal will align themselves to the fashion trend because they feel it's what they should do or look like?

This isn't a very well written post because I'm pretty annoyed. Maybe I'll come back and edit in a bit.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: valley_parade on 17 May 2008, 08:41
Next thing you know, they'll be blaming I'm From Barcelona because the kids are too damned happy.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: a pack of wolves on 17 May 2008, 08:42
It is the Daily Mail. The whole paper is based around scapegoating people and making up a load of judgemental nonsense. Five quid says they run an article next week linking emo to asylum seekers and claiming they have evidence My Chemical Romance is an Al Qaeda cell.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Thaes on 17 May 2008, 08:47
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1935735/Popular-schoolgirl-dies-in-%27emo-sucide-cult%27.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1935735/Popular-schoolgirl-dies-in-%27emo-sucide-cult%27.html)

Here´s the other article I mentioned. It contains this touching proof of how concerned the parents seemed to be:

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The teenager, who left a suicide note and used the nickname “Living Disaster”, committed suicide after flippantly telling her parents, “I want to kill myself”, when she returned late from a friend’s house.

They dismissed the comment and said “don’t be silly” but an hour later found her suspended an inch from the floor.

And they blame the "emo-movement"?

EDIT: Fix´d the link, which I originally posted in too fancy a manner...
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 May 2008, 08:58
I have mixed feelings about that. On the one hand, I'm sure I've told my parents that I want to kill myself at some point in my life. I know my brother has said he wishes he was dead. But we're both still alive and certainly I would never actually do it. My parents know that, so I doubt they'd sit me down and talk to me about whatever issues had prompted my statement. They'd be more likely to tell me not to be stupid, and then send me to my room to calm down.

On the other hand, if she was serious (and clearly she was, because she did) then there must have been something else going on. No one kills themselves to impress a group of people they've never met, because for one thing even if the people were impressed, they wouldn't be around to reap the benefits. So presumably there was something else going on and maybe they missed the signs.

But over all that is the fact that a teenage girl chose to kill herself. Maybe it isn't emo that's glamourising death but certainly it seems like lots of people feel they have to wish they were dead to be taken seriously. I know people who have tried to commit suicide and tragically, rather than their cry for help (I hate that phrase but it's the only one that fits) being recognised, they were derided for being cliched and attention seeking.

I don't know where I'm going with this. Probably I'm just saying that her parents weren't being neglectful or bad people by not taking a teenager's melodramatic statement seriously. Don't blame them, but for pity's sake don't blame My Chemical Romance either.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Skibas_clavicle on 17 May 2008, 09:00
I am just laughing at how they keep referring to people as "emos".
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Sox on 17 May 2008, 09:18
Thaes, your link is broken.

As sad as it is that Hannah Bond killed herself, this article is incredible. It sounds like something you'd find in the Onion, but perhaps something that the Onion might dismiss as too obvious or silly. Simply incredible.

"Teenage girl kills self. Investigators suspect she had become 'emo'"
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Barmymoo on 17 May 2008, 09:26
At least the coroner didn't return a verdict of "death through bad taste in music".

Grr. The medias are stupid.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: valley_parade on 17 May 2008, 09:34
CUT OFF THEIR NOSES BEFORE DEPLOYMENT!


Obviously the only solution.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: tommydski on 17 May 2008, 09:52
Americans: Next time we are making fun of the dregs of your media, please link this article.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: StaedlerMars on 17 May 2008, 10:11
Wait, Blink 182 is emo?

When did this happen?
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Lines on 17 May 2008, 10:22
Adam's Song is the only one I can think of that would call out to people who are depressed and want to kill themselves. The band is still pop-punk or whatever in my book.

People shouldn't blame kids deaths on "being emo". It's full of crap and they just don't want to realize that their kid had a problem they didn't know about or didn't take seriously.

Yet another reason why I hate the media.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Emaline on 17 May 2008, 10:42
Wait, Blink 182 is emo?

When did this happen?

That one album. With Robert Smith on it. The self titled one.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: RedLion on 17 May 2008, 10:50
I'm no fan of the "emo" subculture, but jesus fucking christ. It's no more to blame for this girl's death than heavy metal is/was for the Columbine shooting. This is why I've lost all desire to be a journalist. Except for a few magazines and newspapers, there's absolutely no integrity or focus on issues that might actually matter to the nation or the wider world.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: StaedlerMars on 17 May 2008, 11:21
Oh yeah, that album.

Blink 182 will always be dude ranch to me.

Guys, in Mexico, they beat up on emos. Emo's fight back though. (http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/03/anti-emo-riots.html)
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Darkbluerabbit on 17 May 2008, 11:35
So these parents are saying "my teenaged kid used to be so happy and normal-now they spend all their time in their room and don't want to wear the clothes I buy them!  It must be this new CULT." 

Oh, people. 
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Tom on 17 May 2008, 14:44
In all seriousness, and I'm probably not the only one here, but I non-melodramatically think of killing myself a lot. I dismiss it is cowardice and I hate myself more for even thinking about it. Why should I end my life? If I cut myself, then a lot of adults might see it and then they'd worry. I don't want anyone worrying about me. Why should I make them worry?
I'd just be a corpse, then there'd be nothing for be, nothing to do, see, discover and learn. There will always be something for me no matter how depressed I get.

P.S: I mostly listen to We Are Wolves, Frog Eyes, Sunset Rubdown, Spoon and the Arcade Fire. I wear baggy clothes and my hair is neither black, straight nor with a fringe pulled to the side.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: HellStorm on 17 May 2008, 14:52
I'm sorry, but the only word I can think of about this is silly.
I hate the whole emo thing, but you can't blame a kids death simply because they wear black and have a bad taste in music. She obviouly had something wrong in the first place, else she wouldn't have done the whole slitting wrists thing and tolerated it. Its just the parents trying to find something to blame most likely.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Tom on 17 May 2008, 14:58
Like moths to a flame.

They're attracted to it because you have a subculture linked to these feelings of depression and the teenagers own confusion during their adolescent formulative years. They can hence relate to the perceived nature sub-culture and want to belong, be with like-minded people.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: LordNagash on 17 May 2008, 16:52
This would be a lot better if everyone was talking about Emus.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Johnny C on 17 May 2008, 17:14
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the 'black parade' is a place where all emos believe they will go when they die

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the 'black parade' is a place where all emos believe they will go when they die

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the 'black parade' is a place where all emos believe they will go when they die

LOL
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: RedLion on 17 May 2008, 17:38
I think that everyone has wondered about suicide, about death. Tell me you haven't, and I"ll call you a liar. Because you are.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Liz on 17 May 2008, 17:39
Johnny sometimes you just make me smile.

Thank you.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: sean on 17 May 2008, 17:50
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the 'black parade' is a place where all emos believe they will go when they die

Hello there sig quote, how are you today?

Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Tom on 17 May 2008, 19:00
This would be a lot better if everyone was talking about Emus.

My sister once read "Emus" as "E-MUS"
                Daddy, what's an e-mus?
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: BrittanyMarie on 17 May 2008, 19:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p95_eF3bD1w

Check the sweet use of the words "web log".
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 May 2008, 20:31
They could have just gone to The Wikipedia and been like, "Well, fuck.  We're dumb."

'Cause they are.

I was really hoping this wasn't a serious article.

O, world, thou hast declined in thy knowledge.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 17 May 2008, 20:39
Man I used to be a depressed teenager who dressed only in black, listened to terrible (http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=183) music (well, black metal) and totally thought about death all the time (granted I still listen to black metal, wear a lot of black and am still quite depressed). Basically my point is that the emo scene is stupid and people like to blame things other than themselves so they don't have to feel bad about their own failings.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: MrSteevo on 17 May 2008, 21:07
They're wrong, it's not just children that arent safe! It can happen to everyone.
EVEN SPIDERMAN!
(http://cache.bordom.net/images/a46e42330b7480e7d16c822f4c55068d.gif)
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Boudicca on 17 May 2008, 21:26
I blame it on the parents. When their kids say "wow, I'm depressed" most parents just write it off as "a teenager thing." Of course I could just be a classic teenager trying to blame someone else.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: imapiratearg on 17 May 2008, 21:31
They're wrong, it's not just children that arent safe! It can happen to everyone.
EVEN SPIDERMAN!

Yeah, but he's smiling.  Emo children dont' smile.  They just frown and cry.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: philharmonic on 17 May 2008, 22:26
I see two sides to this thing.
On one hand I can tell you I was "emo" way way way before they ever had a scene for it. I did the cut myself thing. I dressed in black. I listened to bands like "Suicidal Tendancys, Dead Milkmen and GWAR" I even thought of many practical ways to kill myself. One time one of my teachers confronted me and came straight out and asked me if i was doing drugs. All the time i was cutting myself I wondered if anyone would notice. If anyone really cared. Well i guess at least that teach cared enough to get all up in my grill. I guess i'm lucky that i got some help otherwise i'm not shure what might have happened.

On the other hand as now i'm a parent i've gotta keep an eye out for my kids. I hope i've guided them with enough brains to think if they want to be part of a scene thats ok but as long as they don't feel obligated to do cave into the peer pressure. A bit of the old "if your dumbass friend jumped off a bridge would you too" kinda thing.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: KvP on 17 May 2008, 22:33
They're wrong, it's not just children that arent safe! It can happen to everyone.
EVEN SPIDERMAN!

Yeah, but he's smiling.  Emo children dont' smile.  They just frown and cry.
That's less of smile than it is a petulant smirk. Emo children are pretty petulant.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Johnny C on 17 May 2008, 23:04
On one hand I can tell you I was "emo" way way way before they ever had a scene for it. I did the cut myself thing. I dressed in black. I listened to bands like "Suicidal Tendancys, Dead Milkmen and GWAR" I even thought of many practical ways to kill myself. One time one of my teachers confronted me and came straight out and asked me if i was doing drugs.

Oh man, do you guys want to tell him or should I?
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Tom on 17 May 2008, 23:21
No, no, no, no, no, you can
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: a pack of wolves on 17 May 2008, 23:34
I bet all he wanted was a Pepsi. Just one Pepsi. But she wouldn't give it to him.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Barmymoo on 18 May 2008, 01:59
My favourite bit about StaedlerMars's article (do you have a shorter name, by the way? I can't spell that one without checking it and I'm lazy) is this bit:

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"What do you do when you are confronted with a question mark about sexuality in Mexico?" Arellano said. "You beat it up."

Sounds like a good analogy for most things, actually. Also, emosexual? What the hell? Emotional sexual? Aren't most relationships connected to emotions? Hell, this article is full of gems.

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But Arellano said he thought the riots could have a positive impact here in the US.

People make me laugh.

And I'd have posted this last night when it made sense in context but the internet died on me. To swerve this back into context a little:

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Emos, or "emotional people", are first noticed by what they wear.

Yes. Yes television report woman, yes. That is true. Yes. You are right. Yes. Emotional people dress like... emotional people. As opposed to all those cyborgs out there. Yes. Well done.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Thaes on 18 May 2008, 02:39
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But Arellano said he thought the riots could have a positive impact here in the US.

The lines following that phrase ( "It's a great clusterfuck for the American mind's idea of Mexico," Arellano said. "This teaches the rest of the world that Mexico is not just a bunch of cactuses and sombreros.") make it even more amusing. I can already see the way Mexico will promote itself to tourists: "Mexico: not just cactuses and sombreros, but hatred against emotional people with clothes as well!"
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Barmymoo on 18 May 2008, 03:20
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CLUSTERFUCK
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: MadassAlex on 18 May 2008, 03:25
"Clusterfuck" is definitely one of my favourite words.
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Post by: öde on 18 May 2008, 06:20
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tight jeans, T-shirts, studded belts and sneakers or skater shoes.

WHAT. DEVIANTS.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 18 May 2008, 07:13
So those are warning signs? Everyone wears t-shirts and most people I know are not opposed to wearing sneakers. Maybe they should go with something a little more obvious, like heavy eye make-up regardless of gender, stupid haircuts or ill-advised (http://xkcd.com/336/) facial piercings
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: valley_parade on 18 May 2008, 07:32
Shit! Does this mean I have to ditch my Vans now?
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Slick on 18 May 2008, 07:38
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"What do you do when you are confronted with a question mark about sexuality in Mexico?" Arellano said. "You beat it up."

Sounds like a good analogy for most things, actually. Also, emosexual? What the hell? Emotional sexual? Aren't most relationships connected to emotions? Hell, this article is full of gems.

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First, by some accounts, the emo subculture is identified with homosexuality in Mexico. As Mexico City youth worker Victor Mendoza told Time.com: "At the core of this is the homophobic issue. The other arguments are just window dressing for that."

YOU DID NOT READ.


Also, I only read this article because of the mention of clusterfuck. That is not an appropriate usage of the term clusterfuck, and I am upset, once again. How is this a clusterfuck for the 'American mind's idea of Mexico'? I mean, maybe you could call the rioting and violence a clusterfuck, maybe, but their usage I do not think is right.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Barmymoo on 18 May 2008, 07:57
I did read it, I just found the term amusing.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 18 May 2008, 08:14
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tight jeans, T-shirts, studded belts and sneakers or skater shoes.

That's how I look on a day to day basis.  Well, replace "tight" with "slightly loose" or "snug" jeans.  I don't wear skin-tight jeans.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: ampersandwitch on 18 May 2008, 08:24
Daily Mail,
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Post by: Lummer on 18 May 2008, 09:26
A large newspaper here in Denmark ran that very same article as well. Just translated to Danish, but still just as dumb.

This kind of sensationalist, factless journalism makes me fucking sick.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: calenlass on 18 May 2008, 10:35
I always thought that the "emo kids" were teenage or young adult types who were doing the "let's all get in touch with our emotions" thing, except on steroids, or goths whose poetry actually got published and they still couldn't afford ten-inch sole boots. It sounds a little sinister for people to be subscribing to it in a cultish manner.


Also guys does this remind anyone else of the illustrious delivery style of Fox News (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrESt2iR8Vc)?
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: RedLion on 18 May 2008, 11:10
Of course. Except that Fox always tries to shroud its sensationalism and yellow journalism with a veneer of professionalism by putting a question mark after its outrageous proclamations, like "Obama: A Secret Homosexual Communist Muslim Abortionist?"

ALSO

In Chile, they call them pokEMOnes (http://www.newsweek.com/id/124098)
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: KharBevNor on 18 May 2008, 16:38
'pokEMOnes' sounds great in a comedy hispanic accent.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Cartilage Head on 18 May 2008, 19:23
I honestly think the stupidity of this whole idea just goes without saying.
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Post by: ForteBass on 18 May 2008, 19:32
And yet, here we are. People saying just that over and over again.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: happybirthdaygelatin on 21 May 2008, 20:46
(http://www.drownedinsound.com/images/2047.jpg)
It's the same as it ever was?

If you go back far enough, they blamed grunge at some point.  Go further and they blamed Black Sabbath, then comic books, cave paintings and so on.

And man, Dead Milkman always puts a smile on my face but I guess they have a song called "Life is Shit."
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: MadassAlex on 22 May 2008, 04:13
But they probably blamed Black Sabbath because Satan would caress gently the ground they trod on and lit their footsteps aflame.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: jhocking on 22 May 2008, 06:45
I hope this isn't opening me up to ridicule, but as many of you know I spend a fair amount of time in Second Life. The other day I came across a hilarious novelty item someone was selling, called the "Emo Starter Kit." Basically it's an animation where your character slits their wrist and blood gushes out. The best part is the command you type to activate the animation: /wrist
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: ForteBass on 22 May 2008, 06:50
Man, I wish my lawn was emo.
That way it would cut itself.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: RedLion on 22 May 2008, 06:57
HYUK HYUK HURRGGHH
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Johnny C on 22 May 2008, 07:56
I wish my lawn was emo, but as it is it takes after its whore of a mother.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Barmymoo on 22 May 2008, 08:01
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No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!  New  « 1 2 »       KharBevNor       62      666      Last post  Today at 03:56:18 PM by Johnny C

Oh noes! The thread has been infected by the demon of Emo!

Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: benji on 22 May 2008, 08:56
If you go back far enough, they blamed grunge at some point.  Go further and they blamed Black Sabbath, then comic books, cave paintings and so on.

I remember reading this same article when I was in high school, only it was about the the Straight Edge "Cult."
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: öde on 22 May 2008, 09:33
Those bloody kids, all not doing drugs.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: greenMonkey on 22 May 2008, 20:03
Quote from: the thread information
No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!  New  « 1 2 »       KharBevNor       62      666      Last post  Today at 03:56:18 PM by Johnny C

Oh noes! The thread has been infected by the demon of Emo!



Proof.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Cartilage Head on 22 May 2008, 20:06
 I wish my lawn was Emo Phillips so we could hang out.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: ForteBass on 22 May 2008, 20:53
I wish my lawn was Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 22 May 2008, 20:58
You guys probably don't really want your lawns to be emo. Even if it would cut itself you'd have to put up with it listening to Avenged Sevenfold and Trivium. Seriously, fuck (http://xkcd.com/186/) that.

Edited because this running gag, such as it is, is probably coming to an end.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Tom on 22 May 2008, 21:26
Avenged Sevenfold are laughable
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Post by: MadassAlex on 23 May 2008, 01:05
I've never seen a band castrate itself as hard as A7X do.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: ForteBass on 23 May 2008, 06:00
Why, exactly, do you know how to abbreviate their name? And why does it involve an X?
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: MadassAlex on 23 May 2008, 06:10
I partake in both the metal and guitar'ing communities. A7X and their guitarists are a common source of conversion in both communities for numerous reasons.

The X is presumably there for two reasons

1. X IS FUCKING HARDCOEAR

2. "Somethingfold" is multiplied. So, I guess it's "Avenged Seven Times"? Thus A7X
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: imapiratearg on 23 May 2008, 06:12
I was going to put 'Because they're so hardcore.  That's why,' but the internet at school sucks and the browser timed out.

Fuck you, interwebs.
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: muffy on 28 May 2008, 17:21
Sorry to bring up a dying thread, but apparently, a whole bunch of emo kids are staging a protest outside the Daily Mail HQ this Sunday in response to this article.

Part of me wants to support the ethos that wants to make a great big protest against the hijacking of youth culture that seems to permeate the majority of those tat rags.

Another part of me wishes that they'd muster a large protest against something a little more valid, like their endless victimisation of anyone not able-bodied/white/middle class/heterosexual/dull as fuck and socially obtuse.

The biggest part of me, though, is trying really hard not to cringe at the thought of what this will look like. Somehow, I don't think that recreating some sort of version of Nights of the Living Dead outside the offices of a bunch of brainless numpties will do a lot to help the cause...
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: ForteBass on 28 May 2008, 20:27
Dude. Really? You revived this thread for that shit?
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Post by: imapiratearg on 28 May 2008, 20:58
(http://www.drownedinsound.com/images/2047.jpg)
It's the same as it ever was?

Talking Heads?
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: happybirthdaygelatin on 08 Jun 2008, 20:53
It's the same as it ever was
Title: Re: No child is safe from the Sinister Cult of Emo!!!
Post by: Emaline on 08 Jun 2008, 21:47
I just don't understand emo. And this makes me feel old.

I thought it was a kind of music. Like Fugazi, and Rites Of Spring, and Promise Ring. I feel so out of date.
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Post by: Noff on 09 Jun 2008, 08:24
The other day, I read in a newspaper that an Australian study showed that post-traumatic stress disorder after active military duty in a war zone could be linked to the sense of smelling. The study was performed with a subject pool of thirty-one soldiers.

Yes, the media is fucking stupid.

Smell is believed by some to be the sense most linked to memory, so what is fucking stupid about this exactly?
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Post by: KharBevNor on 09 Jun 2008, 08:31
I'm not too hot on maths, but, I remember reading somewhere you need about six hundred individuals or groups for a proper trial, for some statistical reason.
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Post by: tommydski on 09 Jun 2008, 08:42
It's the same as it ever was

Look where my hand was.

Time isn't holding us.

Time isn't after us.

Same as it ever was.
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Post by: RedLion on 09 Jun 2008, 12:09
This ain't no party!
This ain't no disco!
This ain't no foolin' around!

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/Saltlick/talking_heads.jpg)

You know, I don't really think "Emo" is so much a "scene" as it is people who have undiagnosed cases of mild depression or anxiety disorder.
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Post by: Emaline on 09 Jun 2008, 20:40
Depression ftw!


Seriously though, I've gone through bouts of diagnosed clinical depression(with prescriptions for lexapro), and I've never had the urge to wear too much eyeliner, listen to My Chemical Romance, or wear jeans way too tight.
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Post by: MadassAlex on 09 Jun 2008, 21:05
Basically, my biggest gripe with emo is how it belittles such a mental illness and turns it into little more than fashion.

Anecdotal evidence time:

I have two friends that are "emo". Case 1 can be called "Bob" and Case 2 can be called "Rob".

Bob is a dude I have known since my second year of high school. He was a good humoured, energetic dude and pretty well adjusted. Fast forward a few years and the change is pretty immense. I'm not even talking about losing some traits to gain others, I'm talking about a massive change. He's become really apathetic to everything. It pisses me off, because I'm trying to communicate and be friendly and all he seems capable of is responding in a disinterested, monotone voice that more or less says, "I am too good for you".
So basically Bob uses the "emo" scene as a platform for elitism.

Rob is much more friendly and stuff! I like him a lot better, because he's still fun to hang around and we get along really well. The thing is, though, he glamourises depression and suicide pretty heavily. He can't resist an opportunity to point out that he attempted suicide (can't confirm this), only ever sees death in his dreams (fat chance) and rolls up his sleeves a day after cutting himself so everyone can see. I am really not sure what Rob is trying to communicate here. That he is emo? Success, then.

Would I be fair in saying that members of the "emo" subculture generally use it as a means of confused subconscious expression with little conscious idea of what they're doing? Or am I full of shit?
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Post by: happybirthdaygelatin on 09 Jun 2008, 22:24
Could be cheerfully into bloodplay?  People can also change quite a bit in two years.  Hell I can have drastic mood changes in the span of a day.  I think the point here is butter up your bacon.

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Post by: a pack of wolves on 09 Jun 2008, 22:31
Would I be fair in saying that members of the "emo" subculture generally use it as a means of confused subconscious expression with little conscious idea of what they're doing? Or am I full of shit?

I think most of them use it as a means of wearing some tight-fitting clothes while they listen to some pop music. People like dressing up, that's why glam and the new romantic thing worked. Same thing with these kids. I remember loads of kids cutting themselves, going on about death and suicide and all that when I was at high school in the '90s. There is nothing new here whatsoever, only now emo gets blamed instead of grunge, punk rock, video nasties, computer games or whatever other convenient scapegoat happens to be available.
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Post by: Tyler on 09 Jun 2008, 22:55
I bet all he wanted was a Pepsi. Just one Pepsi. But she wouldn't give it to him.

Probably the institutional learning facilities they went to.
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Post by: snalin on 10 Jun 2008, 00:02
I just don't understand emo. And this makes me feel old.

I thought it was a kind of music. Like Fugazi, and Rites Of Spring, and Promise Ring. I feel so out of date.

Punk was also "a kind of music".

 :roll:
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Post by: a pack of wolves on 10 Jun 2008, 00:42
Is it just me or is does that post not make any sense? I keep trying to work out what you're trying to say and I just don't get it.
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Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 10 Jun 2008, 00:51
The dude is saying that at one point the term "emo" did refer to a style of music, and still does when used correctly, but now also refers to a social subculture that is mainly defined by unattractive girls and effeminate boys trying to look like unattractive girls.

Also something of a pirate fixation with the way they style their hair into a makeshift eyepatch.
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Post by: a pack of wolves on 10 Jun 2008, 01:05
I get that's basically what Emaline said, I just didn't see what snalin's post was all about. I still don't get it.

Well, everyone wants to be a pirate at least a bit.
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Post by: Jimmy the Squid on 10 Jun 2008, 01:11
Ah, sorry I forgot the connecting part.

The term "punk" also refers to a style of music but also refers to a social subculture, one that is way too varied to describe (or at least, I'm too lazy to describe it) but includes things like mohawks, leather jackets and being kind of dirty (there's other stuff too but I'm being slightly irreverent).

I read Snalin's post as pointing out, probably unnecessarily that the words "punk" and "emo" can refer both to the style of music and the social scene but that "emo" probably refers more to the scene now than anything else.

I could be wrong though.
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Post by: Tom on 10 Jun 2008, 01:12
You can be depressed without becoming emo (see several forumites here, myself included).

Depression ftw!
 I've never had the urge to wear too much eyeliner, listen to My Chemical Romance, or wear jeans way too tight.
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Post by: a pack of wolves on 10 Jun 2008, 01:19
I read Snalin's post as pointing out, probably unnecessarily that the words "punk" and "emo" can refer both to the style of music and the social scene but that "emo" probably refers more to the scene now than anything else.

I think that's why it confused me. It seems to just add a comparison to what Emaline said (and a pretty confusing one, since the emo Emaline was talking about is a kind of punk anyway), but it's got that smilie with the rolling eyes and I generally assume someone's being patronising to the person they're quoting when they use that. I guess they must be using it for another reason.
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Post by: Patrick on 10 Jun 2008, 02:25
WHEN I WAS

(you knew it was fucking coming)
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Post by: David_Dovey on 10 Jun 2008, 02:44
Of course a punk was a type of person before it was a type of music before it was a type of person too.

I think most of them use it as a means of wearing some tight-fitting clothes while they listen to some pop music. People like dressing up, that's why glam and the new romantic thing worked. Same thing with these kids. I remember loads of kids cutting themselves, going on about death and suicide and all that when I was at high school in the '90s. There is nothing new here whatsoever, only now emo gets blamed instead of grunge, punk rock, video nasties, computer games or whatever other convenient scapegoat happens to be available.

Thisssssssss.

I know plenty of "emo" or "scene" kids who listen to depressing music, have angular haircuts and wear tight jeans who also happen to be quite cheery, interesting and generally OK to be around, despite the aforementioned depressing music. I think that the nature of the tunes do often attract a certain person, much in the same way that aggressive music often attracts aggressive people. But the scene or the tunes shouldn't be blamed for the actions of it's fans.
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Post by: MadassAlex on 10 Jun 2008, 04:42
WHEN I WAS

A YOUNG BOY
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Post by: The extra letter on 21 Jun 2008, 02:53
This thread was more amusing when I thought it was about The Sinister Cult of Elmo. I always wondered why he was so giggly...

 
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Post by: The extra letter on 21 Jun 2008, 03:24
Hey, it's not as if I resurrected a thread from last year...
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Post by: HellStorm on 21 Jun 2008, 13:31
But if someone wanted to talk about it, and to stop from resurrecting it he made a new topic, he would then be complained at as well so which is the better option?
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Post by: Emaline on 21 Jun 2008, 17:06
But if someone wanted to talk about it, and to stop from resurrecting it he made a new topic, he would then be complained at as well so which is the better option?

If they wanted to add to the disscusion and the thread was at the bottom of the first page, then I think its fine to resurect it. If you are adding to the disscusion.

However, if the thread is dead, and gone and someone resurects it, then I would say that that's not such a good idea.   
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Post by: Gemmwah on 21 Jun 2008, 17:25
Why does there have to be this discussion every single time somebody revives a dead thread?

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Post by: Tom on 21 Jun 2008, 19:05
seriously
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Post by: ForteBass on 21 Jun 2008, 22:17
You all lose.
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Post by: KharBevNor on 22 Jun 2008, 08:48
Stop being so fucking emo Fortebass.
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Post by: öde on 22 Jun 2008, 11:10
Follow the Loser, the new single from ForteBass!
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Post by: Emaline on 22 Jun 2008, 11:56
I actually bolded that stuff accidentally. I posted it from my phone...
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Post by: Patrick on 22 Jun 2008, 12:02
EMOS R ALL FAGGITS
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Post by: KharBevNor on 22 Jun 2008, 22:45
I actually bolded that stuff accidentally. I posted it from my phone...

Why were you using your phone?

Was it because you were sitting outside in the cold, miserable rain?

EMO