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Title: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: chASS on 02 Jun 2008, 18:59
this (http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=27) makes me sad...

i just thought the world should know.
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Post by: 2HourHiatus on 02 Jun 2008, 19:03
Hey, it's the only way to deal with them. A swift end. Like Old Yeller except we never loved them, nor was there a bear. Now that movie is what makes me sad. That poor, stupid dog.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: chASS on 02 Jun 2008, 19:08
haha yes. the others need to be dealt with.. but i like conor oberst... am i a bad indiekid?
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Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Jun 2008, 19:49
Hahaha, I loved that comic.  No, you are not a bad indie kid for enjoying Bright Eyes.

From Autumn to Ashes are fucking terrible, though.

I feel like I should admit that I have a soft spot for Dashboard Confessional, even though I don't listen to him anymore.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Johnny C on 02 Jun 2008, 19:52
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8484/fghjdgjgf6si.png)
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: chASS on 02 Jun 2008, 19:55
imapiratearg: hahaha. glad to hear it.

Johnny C: oh geez... haha. that's hilarious and ridiculous.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: imapiratearg on 02 Jun 2008, 19:56
Is that Conor Oberst or Toby Maguire?
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Post by: Johnny C on 02 Jun 2008, 20:09
It's the first thing I thought of when I saw this thread. Don't ask me why.
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Post by: muffy on 02 Jun 2008, 20:31
Johnny, I love you for that.

That's pretty much all I have to say.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: 20 jazz funk greats on 02 Jun 2008, 21:06
people still listen to bright eyes?
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Post by: Johnny C on 02 Jun 2008, 21:52
I still give I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning and Lifted background listens now and again.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: E. Spaceman on 02 Jun 2008, 22:02
I think Digital Ash In A Digital Urn is a pretty good album.
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Post by: Jackie Blue on 02 Jun 2008, 22:19
people still listen to bright eyes?

Why wouldn't they?  He's done some amazing things.  Letting Off the Happiness is still an incredible and diverse debut, Fevers and Mirrors, the Every Day and Every Night EP, and Lifted are pretty much perfectly-crafted for the sound and mood they're going for, and I'm Wide Awake It's Morning has a lot of very daring and beautiful moments.  I haven't really given his latest one much of a chance because I don't like his political songs and it seemed like he was going for more of those.

I also rather enjoyed the Desaperacidos album.
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Post by: bob, just bob on 02 Jun 2008, 22:48
yeah Cassadaga was a lot more political, but it was a lot of it was also kind of apocalyptic and he used his way with words very well to get some awesome imagery going for it. I like his older stuff better, particularly Lifted but there were still some really good moments on the new(est) cd
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Post by: spidergland on 02 Jun 2008, 22:59
emo spiderman

now if only Conor Oberst would strut his stuff in a jazz club, the world would be a better place.

I still don't understand the hate for Bright Eyes, is it just that he's an easy target?  Greg Dulli is just as self loathing, but I never hear anyone rip into the Afghan Whigs because of it.
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Post by: Johnny C on 02 Jun 2008, 23:14
Dulli was a badass though.
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Post by: Kai on 02 Jun 2008, 23:15
Yeah, Dulli gave off that vibe that if you made fun of him, he would smash his almost-empty bottle of gin and thrust it in your face.

Then he got fat.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Sox on 03 Jun 2008, 01:01
Greg Dulli wasn't self loathing. That's the craziest thing I've heard all day! If anything, he was in love with himself (and probably still is)! He didn't get into fights as much as people seem to think either, but he had a sharp mouth and would almost certainly fuck your girlfriend.

If you wanna make fun of sad people, let's make fun of Trent Reznor.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: spidergland on 03 Jun 2008, 05:19
Greg Dulli wasn't self loathing. That's the craziest thing I've heard all day!

That's always how I've seen stuff like Be Sweet. 
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Sox on 03 Jun 2008, 06:04
I'm gonna try and translate the lyrics to that song. I think it fits in with the whole "I'm a slut and loving it" thing he had going on for a while.

"Girls who I have yet to sleep with: I only think about sex. You're not gonna care, because sex is something I am SERIOUSLY good at. But this last girl, she wanted a little bit more. I just wanted fuck a lot. None of that 'serious' stuff. I felt ashamed for a while, since she was a nice girl, and I'm not much of a nice guy, but since she left I have been scoring every night, just the way I like it. I mean, it's great right now. I'm sure that one day I'll regret all this fucking around that I do, but I don't feel like worrying about that right now. Still, that girl. She was really really into me. I made her really angry. But I guess I really don't want to settle down.
*some time later*
Hey baby, is this as good for you as it is for me?
*lights cigarette while doing it doggy style*
aaaw yeeeeaaaaaaaah."


Edit: Typing that was actually really fun. This thread is now about paraphrasing sad songs.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: spidergland on 03 Jun 2008, 06:30
You make a good point, but its the "Now that I'm ashamed, it burns" and "Am I OK? I'm sure I'm not" lines that stick out for me.  Sure, he still goes out pulling left right and centre, but underneath there's regret or something. 

Now I have a terrifying image of Mr Dulli in a dark fucking period ala Dewey Cox.  Thanks for that  :-P
 
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: KharBevNor on 03 Jun 2008, 07:42
Lol, you guys are such fags.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Liz on 03 Jun 2008, 08:10
I like Bright Eyes. That is all there is to it.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 03 Jun 2008, 08:43
I also rather enjoyed the Desaperacidos album.

I liked it too.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 03 Jun 2008, 09:50
Dulli definitely has the regret/I'm-a-fucked-uip-guy thing going in many songs.  Yeah, he also has times, often within the same song, where he's confident and assertive, but I don't think you can deny that he often channeled the "chain smoking at a bar drinking whisky furiously and hating his decisions" thing.  Not to mention that even when he was being confident it usually came across as the kind of "I'm a super awesome asshole to hide the fact that I'm a fucked up dude" act.

Conor Oberst gets picked on because he's openly sensitive, self-deprecating, self-loathing, and looks like anyone could beat him up if they wanted to.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Sox on 03 Jun 2008, 09:56
I pick on him because of his face.
Nah, I kid. It's not the band I hate, it's their fans.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Kai on 03 Jun 2008, 10:09
I don't really have much of a problem with their fans, either. Sure, you get a couple super-obnoxious teen girls who want to sleep with Conor Oberst and paint pictures of him

But the majority of them are pretty okay
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Bayley on 03 Jun 2008, 10:24
I also like Bright Eyes. I could write a dissertation's worth of analysis, but I'll just leave it at that.
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Post by: 20 jazz funk greats on 03 Jun 2008, 10:45
Sure, you get a couple super-obnoxious teen girls who want to sleep with Conor Oberst and paint pictures of him

the majority of bright eyes "fans" i've encountered fit this description, sadly.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 03 Jun 2008, 10:49
Almost all the Bright Eyes fans I know are people who, like me, have been listening to him for 10 years.

Maybe you should stop hanging around teenage girls, 20 Jazz.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Johnny C on 03 Jun 2008, 10:51
When I went to see him there were a ton of teenage girls surrounding the stage. Admittedly, that was because you could only drink beer in the beer tent set up in the corner of the venue.

It was the worst possible venue.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Sox on 03 Jun 2008, 11:06
Weird. All the Bright Eyes fans I've met insist on doing nothing but tell me how fantastic he is, how he's the Bob Dylan of our generation and I should be grateful that I'm around to see it happen.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: 20 jazz funk greats on 03 Jun 2008, 11:08
Maybe you should stop hanging around teenage girls.

haha, i don't nowdays.
they're the sort of people i may have had as acquaintances in high school but haven't spoken to since.
or the sort of people that i only come across in internet life and wish i could punch for over-quoting "lover i don't have to love"

Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Johnny C on 03 Jun 2008, 11:27
Great tune, to be fair.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: johnny5 on 03 Jun 2008, 11:42
pretty good tune but i prefer his other songs when it's not so whiney...i liked IWA,IM but not too much else. His new album was decent.

overall i think he's a decent artist, highly overrated early on but in recent times i don't think he's been hyped as much but has improved his music.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 03 Jun 2008, 12:25
Personally I would say his first two albums are every bit as good as the two Neutral Milk Hotel albums.  In fact, I liked his first one so much because it reminded me of On Avery Island.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: muffy on 03 Jun 2008, 12:57
To the guy's credit, whilst he may have started off on a big self-loathing endless crisis of existence and translated that into brilliant music, when he started getting popular and banging Winona Ryder and the like, he stopped moaning about being unloveable and started moaning about the terrible comedowns he was getting from all the coke, instead.

It just seemed a little more realistic than someone like Chris Carrabba making a career out of singing 'oh woe is me no-one will ever love me I'm so ugly and dickish' to the sound of a few thousand teenage girl's cotton panties dropping to the floor at the mere mention of his name. Sure, there's cultivating misery and self loathing in order to entertain the masses, but then there's plain insulting. At least Conor Oberst manages to do it with some grace.
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Post by: Sox on 03 Jun 2008, 13:27
If I post the words "the picture", I wonder how long it'll be before somebody post it?
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Post by: Kai on 03 Jun 2008, 13:34
If I could find it I would definitely post it
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Post by: Johnny C on 03 Jun 2008, 14:26
(http://www.britishpunk.com/images/Conor/Conor%201/Conor%201-2/869BrightEyes_l2.jpg)
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Kai on 03 Jun 2008, 14:30
That's the ticket!
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Post by: Tom on 03 Jun 2008, 15:18
Nah, I kid. It's not the band I hate, it's their fans.

This and I don't actually care what he thinks about George Bush.
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Post by: E. Spaceman on 03 Jun 2008, 17:58
This is what Ryan Adams looks like now


(http://thesuperficial.com//bfm_gallery/2008/05/0513%20Mandy%20Moore%20comics/gallery_main/gallery_main-0513_mandy_moore_comicshop_06.jpg)
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Post by: Johnny C on 03 Jun 2008, 20:31
Emilio, you didn't show who he was with!

(http://thesuperficial.com//bfm_gallery/2008/05/0513%20Mandy%20Moore%20comics/gallery_main/gallery_main-0513_mandy_moore_comicshop_00.jpg)

Clearly he's moved past teenagers and onto the list of people that I pray God will strike down daily.
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Post by: SleeperCylon on 04 Jun 2008, 14:55
Some of Bright Eyes songs are musically good.

But his lyrics are self important and faux-poetic to the point of being cringe inducing.  He overemotes and overproduces worse than U2, and panders to college liberals worse than Tina Fey.

Bright Eyes would be the favorite act of those people who booed Dylan when he went electric.  He's this century's Joan Baez.
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Post by: michaelicious on 04 Jun 2008, 15:20
Hey man, don't bring Tina Fey into this.
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Post by: Tom on 04 Jun 2008, 15:27
SleeperCylon, that was low.
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Post by: Jackie Blue on 04 Jun 2008, 15:58
I hate college liberals and I love Bright Eyes.

What now.
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Post by: Kai on 04 Jun 2008, 16:54
uh, you know like, half of his material was recorded on 4 track recorders? It is really hard to overproduce an 4track. Just sayin'.
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Post by: E. Spaceman on 04 Jun 2008, 17:34
so, people who booed dylan when he went electric, that ios old and boring folk fans would love Conor Oberst, who has an electronic music album AND a punk band?
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: RedLion on 04 Jun 2008, 21:26
I like Bright Eyes' music, but in honesty, Conor Oberst's unnecessary uber-vibrato can really piss me off sometimes. It's not even an endearing way of singing, like Dylan's talk-singing. It's just annoying.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: spidergland on 05 Jun 2008, 01:44
I'm so glad he hasn't been using that too much.  Though I did find it funny when he started to get really bad on 'the Big Picture', the song cut out.  Its almost as if he knew...
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Post by: Jackie Blue on 05 Jun 2008, 10:48
That's the thing I like least about some Bright Eyes fans and most Bright Eyes haters: they're so stupid they don't realise that he is aware of the persona he presents to the world and does not always like it or take it seriously.  I mean, the fake interview on Fevers and Mirrors should be proof enough for anyone who isn't functionally retarded.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: tomselleck69 on 05 Jun 2008, 14:15
I love older Bright Eyes, but although I have tried several times, I've never been able to get into anything he did after Lifted. Once he went country-fried I switched to Jason Molina and I have never been happier.


edit: Tina Fey is as unfunny as she is pretty
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Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 05 Jun 2008, 14:36
Yeah, I'm pretty sure my favorite Bright Eyes stuff is only a tad better than my least favorite Songs: Ohia stuff. Oberst wishes he could write an album as terrific as Lioness or Ghost Tropic.
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Post by: imagist42 on 05 Jun 2008, 14:38
edit: Tina Fey is as unfunny as she is pretty

This is the most confusing statement I have ever seen. It is both insulting and complimentary no matter what.
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Post by: MadassAlex on 05 Jun 2008, 14:45
Bright Eyes is a fucking kickass song by Blind Guardian.
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Post by: Jackie Blue on 05 Jun 2008, 14:48
I am having trouble imagining that there are rational people who find Tina Fey unfunny.
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Post by: Johnny C on 05 Jun 2008, 17:00
I was listening to Lifted yesterday. So many great moments on that record.

CAN I GET A GOD DAMN TIMPANI ROLL
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Post by: Jackie Blue on 05 Jun 2008, 17:19
Indeed.  I think "False Advertising" is probably one of the best responses to the critics he could have written.

For a song, I was bought
Now I lie when I talk
With a careful eye on the cue cards
Onto a stage, I was pushed
With my sorrow well rehearsed
So give me all your pity and your money now
All of it

(We used to think that sound was something pure)

But if I could act like this was my real life
And not some cage where I've been placed
Well then I could tell you the truth like I used to
And not be afraid of sounding fake
Now all everyone's listening for are the mistakes

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Post by: Sox on 05 Jun 2008, 18:15
I mean, the fake interview on Fevers and Mirrors should be proof enough for anyone who isn't functionally retarded.

I've known several Bright Eyes fans who own that album and weren't aware that Todd Baechle was actually the person in the interview. Some of them cited the interview as one of the reasons he was so great. When I tried to explain, one person was slightly embarrassed, one person just said "oh" and shrugged it off and the rest reacted with total disbelief, one girl going so far as to call me a liar.

Bright Eyes fans can be just as ignorant (naive?) as Bright Eyes haters.
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Post by: tomselleck69 on 05 Jun 2008, 20:29
This is the most confusing statement I have ever seen. It is both insulting and complimentary no matter what.
Also I'll bet she is a really nice person.

I am having trouble imagining that there are rational people who find Tina Fey unfunny.
I'm thinking it might be an early warning sign for brain tumors. Ted Kennedy said numerous times that he thought Amy Poehler was the talented one and look how he ended up.
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Post by: Bayley on 06 Jun 2008, 12:45
That's the thing I like least about some Bright Eyes fans and most Bright Eyes haters: they're so stupid they don't realise that he is aware of the persona he presents to the world and does not always like it or take it seriously.  I mean, the fake interview on Fevers and Mirrors should be proof enough for anyone who isn't functionally retarded.




yes.



besides that, why judge the man's work on largely irrelevant things, like the behavior of his fans, people he has no contact with or personal control over? music is meant for listening to and thinking about and enjoying, primarily on a personal level. why let other idiots ruin something that could be enjoyed? no, i'm not saying you necessarily would enjoy it without those fans, but the existence of idiots is not a good reason to hate. jesus was not responsible for the crusades; nietzsche was not responsible for the holocaust.

seriously, if something is pleasing, for whatever reason, end of story. even if the creator him(her)self is a complete idiot, obnoxious, a horrible person, that sometimes still does not keep them from creating something very worth your time. besides the fact that there are various strata of enjoyment, and just because one might value highly intellectual or philosophical subject matter the majority of the time does not mean that some quality ass-shaking is never in order.


*descends soap box*

sorry.
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Post by: benji on 06 Jun 2008, 13:35
Did you just compare two of the worst acts of brutality in human history to annoying fans?

Anyway, I think Bright Eyes is pretty enjoyable as long as you don't take it all too seriously. I've never been to any of his shows, or really hung out with his fans, so I guess I'm kind of insulated from any annoyance from that direction.

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Post by: Kai on 06 Jun 2008, 18:12
I think we've just been godwin'd.
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Post by: De_El on 06 Jun 2008, 23:36
Indeed.  I think "False Advertising" is probably one of the best responses to the critics he could have written.

Yes! And the "mistake," though pretty dang contrived always sounds really cute to me.
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Post by: Jackie Blue on 06 Jun 2008, 23:48
I still get chills during the part of the last song on Lifted when he talks about waking up in a hospital bed.  And I'm pretty sure I would even if I didn't know it's a true story.

Really that whole song is basically perfect.

It's actually somewhat funny to me that I didn't buy or listen to Lifted until mid-2005 because I had heard a couple of friends who had been fans of his since '98 (which is when I started listening) say that it was his "sell-out album" when I think that it's basically the exact opposite of that; every single note on that damn record sounds like exactly what he wanted to do, and it's the first album with many moments where he actually sounds like he's having fun.

CAN I GET A GODDAMN TIMPANI ROLL indeed.
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Post by: Bayley on 07 Jun 2008, 00:11
Did you just compare two of the worst acts of brutality in human history to annoying fans?

Anyway, I think Bright Eyes is pretty enjoyable as long as you don't take it all too seriously. I've never been to any of his shows, or really hung out with his fans, so I guess I'm kind of insulated from any annoyance from that direction.




it struck me as probably not the best way of making the point after i posted it. and no, i was not comparing them, i was simply trying to illustrate the concept. and im not sure if i properly invoked godwin's law; i do believe i would have had to compare the actions of some individual to the morality of the 3rd reich.
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Post by: spidergland on 07 Jun 2008, 00:48
I had heard a couple of friends say that Lifted was his "sell-out album"

Your friends must hate Cassadaga. 
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Post by: Jackie Blue on 07 Jun 2008, 01:07
I like a lot of Cassadaga but honestly it just doesn't have that magic touch that all his others do.  I can't pinpoint exactly why I think it's his second worst album (behind Digital Ash) but that's where it lands in the ranking system for me.  I'd probably go:

Lifted
Every Day and Every Night EP
Fevers and Mirrors
I'm Wide Awake It's Morning
Letting Off the Happiness
Cassadaga
Digital Ash
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Post by: KharBevNor on 07 Jun 2008, 03:39
(http://thesuperficial.com//bfm_gallery/2008/05/0513%20Mandy%20Moore%20comics/gallery_main/gallery_main-0513_mandy_moore_comicshop_00.jpg)

Clearly he's moved past teenagers and onto the list of people that I pray God will strike down daily.

...Who is it?
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Post by: Sox on 07 Jun 2008, 05:16
I looked up the image properties, and the name "Mandy Moore" was in the URL somewhere. A quick google search confirmed that it's a shot of Ryan Adams and Mandy Moore "dating". Turns out, they're just friends!
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Post by: McTaggart on 07 Jun 2008, 08:00
I thought Digital Ash was pretty good. What makes it his worst?
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Post by: KharBevNor on 07 Jun 2008, 08:10
Who's Mandy Moore?
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Post by: Sox on 07 Jun 2008, 09:01
I have no idea. I guess people don't like her because of her alliterative name or something?
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Post by: benji on 07 Jun 2008, 09:23
I like a lot of Cassadaga but honestly it just doesn't have that magic touch that all his others do. 

I like Cassadaga for the most part, but I think the problem is that it looses direction somewhere along the way. It starts out telling a compelling story but somehow ends up just being a collection of pretty good songs.
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Post by: Ikrik on 07 Jun 2008, 11:03
Who's Mandy Moore?

Pretty sure she was in Saved, which in some respects is a pretty funny girl if you know anyone really religious.  Pretty sure she's a pretend singer too.

Bright Eyes is ok but when you're surrounded by people who make Bright Eyes jokes it's hard to defend them.  I ended up getting sick of the way he sings, I could never listen to him for more than a couple songs at a time.  My dad loves Bright Eyes, but he loves anything as long as it's soft and wouldn't understand the music scene unless I spent an hour explaining it to him.  The only Bright Eyes song I can listen to now is Lover I Don't Have to Love, it was the first song of his I heard.
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Post by: imagist42 on 07 Jun 2008, 11:37
I don't understand why Digital Ash is so bad either, Jackie. Please, please explain, because it's actually one of my favorite Bright Eyes albums.
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Post by: Jackie Blue on 07 Jun 2008, 12:16
I didn't say it was bad, it's just my least favorite of his.

I don't think he's as polished at that style as he is at the styles on his other albums.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 07 Jun 2008, 21:00
Guys, "Poison Oak" is an amazing song.  I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning may not be his best, but it's got a handful of beautiful songs on it.
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Post by: RedLion on 07 Jun 2008, 21:20
Like "Old Soul Song."

Hey, how about Badly Drawn Boy? Dude's pretty similar to Bright Eyes, but more piano-driven, and a lower baritone voice. I prefer him, actually.
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Post by: imapiratearg on 07 Jun 2008, 21:24
He had a song that I liked, but I can't remember what it is.  The video for it involved him driving a car by playing a piano that was the dashboard.  It was pretty neat.
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Post by: imagist42 on 07 Jun 2008, 22:49
I didn't say it was bad, it's just my least favorite of his.

I don't think he's as polished at that style as he is at the styles on his other albums.


Yeah, my liking it probably has to do with the fact that I'm a sucker for electronic anything, really.
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Post by: chASS on 09 Jun 2008, 21:07
Conor Oberst is most definitely not Bob Dylan reincarnated.

He is an emo kid, and most of his fans are stupid.. but i still like bright eyes,
particularly lifted.

Cassadaga is blalarkjdsjafd.
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Post by: chASS on 09 Jun 2008, 21:12
I like a lot of Cassadaga but honestly it just doesn't have that magic touch that all his others do.  I can't pinpoint exactly why I think it's his second worst album (behind Digital Ash) but that's where it lands in the ranking system for me.  I'd probably go:

Lifted
Every Day and Every Night EP
Fevers and Mirrors
I'm Wide Awake It's Morning
Letting Off the Happiness
Cassadaga
Digital Ash

I completely agree except for the fact that i have yet to actually listen to letting off the happiness.
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Post by: muffy on 10 Jun 2008, 18:52

Cassadaga is blalarkjdsjafd.

Pretty much my thoughts on the album too.
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Post by: Tom on 10 Jun 2008, 20:22
I'm sorry, I don't understand.
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Post by: 20 jazz funk greats on 10 Jun 2008, 20:27
He is an emo kid

uh, not really.
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Post by: Tom on 10 Jun 2008, 20:29
I'm starting to think that chASS is one of those 'stupid' Bright Eyes/Conor Oberst fans.
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Post by: Jackie Blue on 10 Jun 2008, 23:06
Aside from his haircuts there is really nothing about Conor Oberst that fits any of the definitions of "emo".  He's not Rites of Spring emo, and he's not new-emo.  I mean if Bright Eyes is emo then I guess the Violent Femmes and Neutral Milk Hotel are too.
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Post by: spidergland on 11 Jun 2008, 07:06
Wow, imagine a world where everyone who called themselves emo modelled themselves on Jeff Mangum.  I guess we wouldn't see them very often.

Also, I'd like to point out Digital Ash > > Letting of the Happiness imo.

Editted for correctedness -  His name isn't Magnum?  :oops: But he would have made the best western villian...
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Post by: Cire27 on 11 Jun 2008, 07:16
I normally wouldn't correct something so meaningless, but I see this so much it's getting ridiculous.

Jeff Mangum*
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Post by: chASS on 11 Jun 2008, 18:17
I'm starting to think that chASS is one of those 'stupid' Bright Eyes/Conor Oberst fans.
you made me cry.

i'm cutting myself!!111!

(did that help you confirm the theory.
i hope it did.
cause i think it's pretty funny.)
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: chASS on 11 Jun 2008, 18:19
Aside from his haircuts there is really nothing about Conor Oberst that fits any of the definitions of "emo".  He's not Rites of Spring emo, and he's not new-emo.  I mean if Bright Eyes is emo then I guess the Violent Femmes and Neutral Milk Hotel are too.

i'm pretty much referring to his haircuts.

i have to admit i agree with the many comics about his hair (i think two...)
he does get ridiculous sometimes.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 11 Jun 2008, 21:05
"Emo haircuts" are no more ridiculous than mohawks, mullets, or any of the dozens of other music-associated haircuts that exist.  In fact, on most girls and some guys, they look fine.  People make fun of "emo hair" as much as they do "hair metal hair" and srsly people, the latter is so much worse.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: the Goat on 11 Jun 2008, 21:40
If you could beat up and indie band, who would it be?
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: imapiratearg on 11 Jun 2008, 21:44
"Emo haircuts" are no more ridiculous than mohawks, mullets, or any of the dozens of other music-associated haircuts that exist.  In fact, on most girls and some guys, they look fine.  People make fun of "emo hair" as much as they do "hair metal hair" and srsly people, the latter is so much worse.


The mullet is by far the worst haircut of them all.

(http://shs.starkville.k12.ms.us/~rr1/images/mullet.jpg)

NOT SEXY

(http://s3.tinypic.com/2m5hvdl.jpg)

PRETTY SEXY
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: imagist42 on 11 Jun 2008, 21:46
If you could beat up and indie band, who would it be?

The Unicorns, for having the nerve to break up after only one (okay, I'll let you count Unicorns Are People Too as another half if you really want to) album.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: KickThatBathProf on 11 Jun 2008, 22:53
fuckers
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Johnny C on 11 Jun 2008, 23:13
Magnum

Jeff Magnum was actually the bassist of Ohio punk act The Dead Boys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dead_Boys).
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Inlander on 12 Jun 2008, 05:47
[img]
PRETTY SEXY

Not exactly, more like "Pretty sexy apart from the fucking awful hair."
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Johnny C on 12 Jun 2008, 08:41
Somehow I think I could deal with the hair. I mean, it would be a struggle, but I think I'd persevere.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Jun 2008, 08:41
You have to admit that it's at least an improvement over that mullet.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 12 Jun 2008, 11:13
I think most emo girls are cute in general.  Including their hair.

Too bad they're basically all vapid whores.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: imapiratearg on 12 Jun 2008, 11:14
Not all of them.  But I, too, am a sucker for the "scene" look.

 :|
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: imagist42 on 12 Jun 2008, 13:40
To be honest, I've never been one for girls with short hair, period. It really doesn't help when their hair is longer toward the front than in the back.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: spidergland on 12 Jun 2008, 23:41
But imagist!  What about...
(http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/entertainment/2007-04/17/xin_590404171657455177954.jpg)
natalie portman's shaved head?
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Tom on 13 Jun 2008, 00:56
had me at Natalie Portman
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Inlander on 13 Jun 2008, 05:02
Is that some kind of Natalie Portman robot? Why is she standing like that?

Though, I guess if there was a Natalie Portbot it might explain why she agreed to be in George Lucas's Green Screen Extravaganza.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: McTaggart on 13 Jun 2008, 05:23
Yeah, that's far from the most flattering picture of her, her head is huuuge. Oh and it is worlds away from shaved.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: TheFuriousWombat on 13 Jun 2008, 07:59
if there was a Natalie Portbot it might explain why she agreed to be in George Lucas's Green Screen Extravaganza.

It could also have been because she's not a very good actress and was therefore not taking a role beneath her skill level.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: imagist42 on 13 Jun 2008, 08:08
Yeah, no.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 13 Jun 2008, 12:29
Christopher Lee and Ewan McGregor were also in those movies and they are both fine actors.

Ben Kingsley was in Bloodrayne.

Shit happens.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: KharBevNor on 16 Jun 2008, 09:24
So, wait. After getting up on a high horse to defend a ridiculous haircut, Zerodrone says that every single 'emo' girl is a

Quote
vapid whore

Classy moves there, classy moves.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Sox on 16 Jun 2008, 10:16
Khar, he only called a bunch of people vapid whores, don't be such a butthurt, there's no reason to express any concern or nothing.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 16 Jun 2008, 23:11
I can honestly say that every emo/scene girl I have ever known is reasonably vapid and sexually indiscriminate.

Not that there's anything wrong with that!  I enjoy the occasional vapid whore!  I know it's not, you know, good for me, but like a greasy cheeseburger, sometimes you just crave one!
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: michaelicious on 16 Jun 2008, 23:32
Ewan McGregor is a terrible fucking actor.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 17 Jun 2008, 04:03
HAVE YOU SEEN SHALLOW GRAVE YOU CUNT
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: KharBevNor on 17 Jun 2008, 04:22
Zerodrone excuses his previous statement by saying that sometimes he 'craves' the 'occasional vapid whore'.

He seems to think this somehow addresses the issue.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: MadassAlex on 17 Jun 2008, 04:42
I don't think it's emo girls that are vapid whores as much as there are many people in their teenage years who happen to be sexually indiscriminate and almost all emo girls are in said teenage years.

Take any popular scene at any point and the girls seem like vapid whores because most of the fanbase will be teenagers and teenagers like to have a lot of sex.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Liz on 17 Jun 2008, 07:23
Ewan MacGregor is hot and also has a lovely singing voice. Any indiscretions concerning his acting are therefore null and void and hold no merit with me.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: KharBevNor on 17 Jun 2008, 08:05
Take any popular scene at any point and the girls seem like vapid whores because most of the fanbase will be teenagers and teenagers like to have a lot of sex.

That is absolutely not the reason why it is not a good thing to call a whole cultural group of women vapid whores.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: 20 jazz funk greats on 17 Jun 2008, 09:01
I can honestly say that every emo/scene girl I have ever known is reasonably vapid and sexually indiscriminate

but are they bright eyes emo or rites of spring emo?
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 17 Jun 2008, 12:18
Dude Khar you are taking this way too seriously.

YOU CUNT.

EDIT: Emo men are vapid whores too.  Better?   8-)

EDIT EDIT: Also lol @ the most notorious asshole on the forum calling me out for being a jerk.   :wink:
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Sox on 17 Jun 2008, 13:07
there are many people in their teenage years who happen to be sexually indiscriminate and almost all emo girls are in said teenage years.

That. But that also isn't what Jackie said, at all. Khar can be a difficult (and a gigantic asshole), but when he thinks you have said or done something offensive, you'd better believe it and take it on board.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: sean on 17 Jun 2008, 13:38
EDIT EDIT: Also lol @ the most notorious asshole on the forum calling me out for being a jerk.   :wink:

Uh isn't that kieffer?
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: chASS on 17 Jun 2008, 17:00
why must we all be so catty?
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: michaelicious on 17 Jun 2008, 17:29
I blame Bright Eyes.



and suchlike.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: a pack of wolves on 17 Jun 2008, 17:43
Sometimes I forget why Khar is one of my favourite posters on here, and then a thread like this comes along to remind me.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 17 Jun 2008, 23:20
why must we all be so catty?

SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE EMO GIRLS!

But seriously, it was just an off-the-cuff comment and wasn't intended to be this vast sweeping solemn declaration.  When I meet emo girls, I don't make fun of them or automatically assume they're stupid and easy until they display said behaviour.  Almost everyone on here has at one point said something as generalising and "offensive" as what I did, for whatever reason I'm just a popular target to be called out on every little thing I say that someone thinks is wrong.  I'm used to it, and I don't really get up panty-bunched about it.

In fact I haven't gotten actually panty-bunched from this forum in a very long time, and I keep wishing some other people would loosen up a little too, since I can't actually think of a single person who posts here that don't "like" as far as their personality is displayed via this forum.  Sure, sometimes people say things that make me roll my eyes or sigh, but if I respond at all to them I don't get serious about it.

Now I will stop being serious.

AND GET STONED.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: KharBevNor on 18 Jun 2008, 09:27
But seriously, it was just an off-the-cuff comment and wasn't intended to be this vast sweeping solemn declaration. 

It was still pretty misogynist though.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Thrillho on 18 Jun 2008, 10:25
I agree. I demand that he issue an apology to all vapid whores.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: KickThatBathProf on 18 Jun 2008, 11:40
Guys, vapid is an outstanding word.  I think we should have a conversation about how awesome a word vapid really is.  It would probably be almost as good as this thread.

Seriously guys, vapid
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 18 Jun 2008, 12:09
Stating that every emo/scene girl I have ever met has been superficial and sexually promiscuous does not equate to hating women.  I like plenty of people who are vapid and/or whores.  Seriously.  Intelligence and chastity are overrated.

Man, Khar is the last person I would expect to get all PC and misuse words.

THE WORLD IS UPSIDE DOWN.

ALSO SRSLY I AM DONE BEING SERIOUS NOW GAWD.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: KickThatBathProf on 18 Jun 2008, 12:15
I think you forgot to GET STONED

That was the issue
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 18 Jun 2008, 12:42
FIXING THAT PROBLEM AS WE SPEAK
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: muffy on 18 Jun 2008, 14:17
But I'm a vapid whore, and I'm not emo.

Wait, I got that the wrong way round. I think.

Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Sox on 18 Jun 2008, 17:59
Intelligence is overrated.

We have a winner!
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Jackie Blue on 18 Jun 2008, 18:53
one hand rolling a joint, one hand typing? interesting.

Joints are by far the least efficient way to smoke weed, especially good weed.  I use a very small stone pipe, there is very minimal lossage because the bowl only needs to be lit for half a second due to the shortness of the "stem", and once the lighter is stopped the bowl almost immediately goes out, partially due to the kind of stone it's made of (I believe it's grey topaz) not holding heat very well.

Clearly I am NOT STONED ENOUGH because I just typed a paragraph scientifically explaining my method.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Tom on 18 Jun 2008, 22:31
Get on it.the vapid whores or the pot, you decide
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Bayley on 19 Jun 2008, 14:27
piece with a carb utilized properly is in my opinion the most efficient method. love a joint now and then, and i even enjoy an apple, but they waste a solid amount of stash.

i've recently (at long last) realized that natalie portman is a bad actress. she's pretty lovable, but it still doesn't really make up for the fact that she um... is not good. but it did distract from it for a while. 
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: KharBevNor on 19 Jun 2008, 16:36
I can't believe you guys are being such obnoxious fucking dicks about SMOKING FUCKING DOPE.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: I Adore Pizza Girl on 06 Jul 2008, 07:53
Partaining to the comic strip that started this, he does have better hair now.
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: MrBlu on 09 Jul 2008, 19:17
*snip creepy picture*
While depressing, Bright Eyes is probably one of the few emo artists that I kinda like...
Title: Re: bright eyes and suchlike.
Post by: Bayley on 16 Jul 2008, 20:46
I contest that categorization. Recently he seems to me far more influenced by old school singer-songwriters, country/folk, and thematically involved in politics, Spiritualism and psychedelia far more than adolescent relationship venting. IMHO. Even when his songs do have relationship themes, it's never villainizing the other person, self-pitying or even self-loathing. Quite a bit more big-picture, peaceful, zen, take-it-as-it-comes stuff.