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Fun Stuff => ENJOY => Topic started by: Demonic Angel on 22 Sep 2008, 19:09
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Yeah I realize there were a previous thread but I figured I wouldn't dig it up to point out that, we have the incredible Asian Spiderman,how awesome is this?
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season premier tonight yay!
this is made all the better because i watch very little television and haven't seen any previews or trailers so it'll all be new to me.
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Just finished watching the first two episodes of Season 3, and it looks very promising!
I'm hoping the villains don't end up getting overplayed and cheesy like Bullseye in Daredevil, it'd be a crying shame. I really hope Claire and Noah do team up for the regathering of said villains, and I hope Mohinder learns his lesson for messing with that sort of shit.
As with Lost, I dont like to try and guess too much what is going to happen, so roll on next weeks episode!!
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I guess this has some spoilers, so I'll leave a break as warning.
I am interested to see what powers the guy has that Peter is stuck in. Mrs. Petrelli only said, "You don't even want to know," so it must be something pretty good. (Good meaning super interesting, not powers for good.)
Also, did anybody make out what Mohinder pulled out of the sore on his back? Was it bone or something else?
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Ando: “But I am not a villain. I am your best friend.”
Hiro: “Maybe today. What about tomorrow?”
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People watch this.
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Linds, the dossier that Peter's mom was holding said something about Sonic Manipulation or something. So, sound something? I don't know, but I'm real interested in seeing what Peter does while he's with a group of villains like that. Should be way fun.
And it looked like a scale or something to me. Or some kind of chitin maybe?
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My initial guess for Jesse Murphy's power was something akin to the Marvel comics character Black Bolt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Bolt) (His voice could shatter mountains with the slightest whisper), but his phone conversation nixed that. I'm going to assume something along the lines of Banshee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banshee_(comics)) from the X-Men, whose power could be incredibly devastating if put to the wrong uses.
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Did you see the webisodes? The guy on there had an ability very similar to Banshee or Siryn. Maybe it will be something like that.
I'd prefer Black Bolt, though. He's badass.
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I want to watch!!! But I'm in England and it's not shown here until next Wednesday. I just couldn't help reading what y'all have been saying though and now I want to watch it even more!!! I might have to try and find it somewhere online...
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Wow, those two episodes were really, really good. Faith in series = restored.
This season is going to be some crazy shee.
Best line:
Claire: "You don't like, eat brains?"
Sylar: "That's disgusting, Claire."
:lol:
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Sylar Petrelli. Fuck Yes.
Also, Mohinder is turning into a lizard.
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Mohinder is clearly Jeff Goldblum in The Fly. I think they're doing it on purpose, down to the "picking weird shit off his body" deal. He even acts the same.
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Doesn't really look that interesting. They're sort of running into a boring pacing. The whole prophetic, teasing tone is tiring. It reminds me of Season 3 of Lost. The new villains seemed more like assholes than sinister. The character "reboots" seem contrived. Heck, the show FEELS contrived now. Granted, TV shows are contrived by nature, but they're not supposed to feel that way.
I'm skeptical if Heroes can keep the charm Season 1 had. Furthermore, the "countdown" beforehand was pretentious and full of itself.
Thank goodness House and Dexter have new seasons. Lost, eventualy, too.
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I thought the season premiere of House was pretty horrible, actually.
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House himself is still interesting enough, but the show is getting kind of boring to me. I did enjoy the appearance of Felicia Day last night, however.
Mostly, I'm looking forward to the new season of Chuck.
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I loved the season premiere of Heroes.
heres a quick theory I made about Hiro: I think Hiro is going to become a villain or atleast and indirect villain. something about the scene between Ando and Hiro in the future just made me think that Hiro saw that scene way out of context. in his mind it's Ando who went bad because Hiro can never see himself going bad, but Hiro's main goal in life is to be a real hero. I can see him creating a situation where he would be needed to save the day. possibly allowing the formula to be made instead of stopping it early just so that he can save the world once the formula is released.
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Mostly, I'm looking forward to the new season of Chuck.
You know you can watch the premiere already on NBC's website, right? If you haven't seen it, oh boy, prepare to be blown the fuck away. They ramped everything up and if the season keeps the momentum, it could be the best show on network TV until LOST comes back.
Back on topic, I am almost certain that the scene Hiro saw with Ando was, in fact, reversed and it was Hiro who was being a "villain" of some sort. It's much easier for me to imagine Hiro going off the rails than Ando, and since this season seems to be built on extreme mind-fuckery with "who's good", it makes perfect sense that the audience (and Hiro) were being misdirected.
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Holy crap! I didn't know that at all! I will go watch it now.
And, I got that same vibe from the Hiro/Ando scene. I'm also pretty sure they're going to play up Future Peter as a villain as they go along, and set up his mom as a hero on the other side, since she's been so grey during the first two seasons so far.
I'm also very interested in what they're doing with Matt. And is Molly now officially off the show? Cause I'd be cool with that.
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The most interesting angle they seem to be going for is turning Sylar into a "good guy". When he was losing blood and asking "Where does evil come from?" and "How do you make love stay?" it sounded very much like the writers are humanising him, and obviously it seems Ma Patrelli is trying to reverse all the psychological damage his parents seem to have left him with. I mean, there was that whole bit where he was turning into a nice guy again until his "mom" went all psycho on him.
Also, the thing with nobody being able to kill Claire, ever, leads me to believe she might be the "pure blooded person of light" or whatever that Kaito mentioned in his video to Hiro.
I hope the Haitian comes back.
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1) Chuck was indeed awesome. Thanks.
2) You might be right about Sylar, but I think eventually he will turn back to being evil. There was a thing where HRG said something along the lines of there being people that are just evil. I think that doens't bode well for Sylar. He's just too good of a bad guy to not use.
3) It looks like they might try and see how Claire works as a villain, based on the preview for next week's episode. That could be interesting, if they put her up against Peter.
4) Yeah, the Haitian is awesome.
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When he was losing blood and asking "Where does evil come from?" and "How do you make love stay?"
Is there a link to this clip? Is it a flashback sequence? Because from the quotes alone I can't imagine how it could be played straight by an adult actor. That's just... not something people say.
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The lines work in the context of the scene. Plus, Quinto is a good actor. He had lost a lot of blood and was rambling in a daze, wondering if the answers to questions like that are to be found within the human brain itself. He was basically wondering if there's a soul, or if the soul is hidden in the brain somewhere, which could come up as a major plot point; some people could be "just evil" like Noah said because they literally lack something in their brain that allows for empathy. The Level 5 guys that were released definitely seemed to be completely, absolutely amoral and evil.
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The thing is if Sylar turns good the Heroes will lack nemesis, unless Peter turns evil. And all, '3 more who are just as bad escaped' about it, there's no way the three of them could handle Sylar or Peter in a fight.
But Im def stoked, and I do want to see what happens to Mohinder pretty badly. Though Maya is lame, but it looks like shes going to be around for a while. Nathans whole story bores me, and I never liked Nikki either, so combining them will thankfully save screen time.
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(very slight) SPOILERS START BELOW
The major villain of Volume 3 is not Sylar, it is someone who is revealed in episode 5.
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Thank goodness Dexter has a new season.
This, I am looking forward to in four days.
Heroes, not so much.
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My whole problem with this series is that there's just no way it'll ever be what I want it to be, which is to say a show about superheroes. Sure, they've got awesome powers but the only way they'll ever use them is sort of in these teasing ways that shows they've got them without ever actually doing anything useful on screen. There's no epic battles or choreographed fight scenes because in a TV show they don't have the production time nor the budget to do anything of that scale on a regular basis, or really any basis. Not to mention that they've got every single character emo and angst filled to the absolute limit anyway.
Also, I've said this before in the other thread and I'll say it again. If they actually ever had "fighting" Peter and Sylar are just way too fucking powerful, they've outstripped the other characters in ability just due to the nature of their own powers that its comically bad. Seriously, both of those characters have to die if the show is going to have any longevity on a believable level, or lose a lot of their fucking powers. I mean, you can see it in the future, where Peter has come into contact with like fifty or a hundred other people with powers, he'd be a god, I mean, he's already immortal and blessed with the powers of creation and destruction. Jesus.
All that said I do watch the show every frikkin' week and I think it started out well this season. damnit.
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I don't know why they ever cranked up Peter's powers.
Sylar's fine to be overpowered. Villains are more interesting when they're a tough son of a bitch.
Peter, however, stopped being interesting when he got control of his powers.
What's needed is a deus ex machina where they re-gimp Peter's powers back to him needing to be in close proximity or make them dangerously out of control.
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...like amnesia? They came so close!
You're right on about Sylar, though. A villain has to be more powerful than the heroes, or there's no suspense. That's why Magneto and Dr. Doom and Loki are so awesome as villains (and as characters, really), because they are so ridiculously powerful. It's takes a whole team of X-Men to take out Magneto, it takes the whole Fantastic Four to take out Dr. Doom, and it takes the power of a god, and maybe the most powerful character in Marvel, to even put up a fight against Loki. Sylar is similar. The heroes (Hiro, Peter, Claire, etc.) have such cool powers, and are so strong that Sylar has to be even more powerful for it to even seem worthwhile for them to fight.
These episodes are already better than the whole of season two.
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Peter's powers are gimped by the fact that his apparent purpose in the series is to fuck everything up. That was a joke in the first two seasons, but it now actually appears to be a legitimate theme they're using.
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Which, I'm actually OK with. It's not a bad device to use to keep him busy while the bad guys do their villainy schemes, and then at the end of the story they fight.
But, of course, there are two Peters now!
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I suppose it makes sense to cast the role of fuckup on the superpowered equivalent of Gilligan.
I love the idea of Sylar as the means to an end, though. Comic Book Resources has some clips (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18207) from the next episode and one of them involves (Spoilers):
Angela and Noah discussing hunting down the villains from Level 5. As they speak, a woman's body with an obvious head wound still bleeding through the sheet covering her corpse is wheeled away on a stretcher. Angela goes on to mention the Hatian being unavailable and introduces Noah to his new partner, Sylar, who is shown washing blood off his hands in his cell. I think it's safe to say that Elle's termination was far more literal than just being fired considering the corpse is her size and she is officially off the cast list. It seems that the company is now outright providing victims to Sylar for powers in the field, probably to ensure his cooperation, as well.
This prospect angers, elates and excites me all at the same time.
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Keep your enemies closer.
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Oh my God, that spoiler is just... oh my fucking God.
That will either be insanely fucking awesome or absolutely terrible, and my money is on the former.
HELL YES.
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Guys, did you see this again last night?
How awesome are HRG and Sylar together? Super awesome, is how.
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Seriously, this episode was like a metric ton of fanservice got dumped into the script but it ended up being totally, absolutely fucking awesome. Fucking SYLAR AND NOAH. Just spin them off into their own show and be done with it.
Also, Matt and his Spirit Guide.
Also, Daphne vs. Hiro and Ando is so amusing. I expect they will end up as a team and her and Hiro will fall for each other in an amusing and quirky way. Also, she is hella cute.
Also, THE HAITIAN IS BACK. IT IS ON.
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Did I say that I wasn't excited? I was wrong.
I FUCKIN LOVE THE HATIAN
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dude the Haitian talked! i thought he was mute for sure.
oh well, Monday's episode was fucking sweet, i can't wait for next monday.
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Wait, why? They established that he was full of shit on the mute shtick like halfway through season one, when he was supposed to wipe Claire's memories, but instead told her the details about her father.
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huh i don't remember that.
oh well, shows what i know!
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I think Daphne's gonna fall for Ando actually, Hiro's already gotten his chance at love. Or they'll both fall for her and she'll just think its funny. I liked Sylar and Noah together, but I wish there was just a little more hesitation on Sylar's part when he was ripping out that guy's brain, see if he was actually trying to fight it.
Also, I'm glad it wasn't Elle under that bedsheet, we haven't seen the last of her character and I think there's at least some potential there for more awesome. Unlike Tracy Strauss, I mean, really? I haven't said anything about this before but jesus, couldn't just let sleeping dogs lie? I mean come on, they had an out, and they bring her back. Damnit.
Yeah, Hatian has been able to talk for a long time now.
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Maybe Daphne is even the reason Ando and Hiro end up going at it? Maybe that's what Hiro was talking about when he said that Ando betrayed him?
So, hypothetically, could Sylar steal the Haitian's powers? Or is he like, the only chance that anyone has against Sylar (and Peter, too, I suppose)?
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Well, it's possible that by stealing the Haitian's powers that it would negate all other powers, including his own.
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THAT would be hilarious, actually. Though i definitely don't want the Haitian to die, its almost worth trying.
And backtracking to earlier, I agree with others and I think that while its true that the villain needs to be a super awesome badass, when a character like Sylar has something around the range of twenty or so different abilities versus everyone else who has only one, it starts to get a little bit on the ridiculous side. If Sylar were to go up against Dr. Doom or Magneto or both and use all of his abilities in a comparable fighting style he'd probably rip them in half without breaking a sweat and then dissect Magneto's brain.
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If you've been watching you'll also notice that they constantly remind the viewer that these villains need to be locked up because they would destroy the world. Also Peter is just as overpowered, and I love watching the jaded future Peter running amuck.
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Heh, yeah, I've already said that Peter is just as powerful or worse because he doesn't even have to kill people, just stand next to them for a little while.
Yeah, they'd destroy the world, but four of them waste their time robbing a bank and three of them get killed like its nothing. Awesome.
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Peter is a raging pussy. He causes trouble, not danger. Which is too bad, cause he has the potential to be eleventeen times mores badass than Sylar. Though it was stated, epi 5 reveals the real bad boy of the series. So I will wait with baited breath to see how it pans out.
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:-D - And next week, Sylar bakes cookies!
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Off topic here, I love your avatar so much RobbieOC.
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Am I the only one who has found this show mediocre to decent at best, since day one? I mean, it just seems like it has so much potential all the time, but the actual execution seems to fall flat more often than not. Maybe I am just expected a little too much polish for a show about everyman superheroes.
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Yeah, I guess. Since no one else responded.
I disagree, though I can see where you're coming from. And honestly, like a lot of other people, I was rather disappointed by the second season, because I really felt like they weren't doing anything to really add to the mythology, which is something you have to constantly do in a show like this in order to keep it fresh (or, as they're doing, continue to add more hot girls). This season, they seem to be focusing on making us think about things more, like the nature of good and evil, and what it means to be a villain, so they're getting back on track nicely.
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The Big Bad is also supposed to be "someone the characters are already close to". Oh, and his power has been revealed:
He can Balefire anything around him. For those lucky enough to not know what that word means, it means he can make it so that people/things don't exist, never existed, never will exist, and never can exist. That's pretty bad.
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Do you think that could be what Matt's spirit walk is about?
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I hadn't thought of that, but possibly.
I'm thinking the big bad is Future Peter and that power is something he picked up but hasn't used yet. Either that, or it's The Haitian's power(s) taken to the absolute extreme - he can already make memories and powers "disappear".
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Hmm, you've got a point there. But the Haitian seems to be an incorruptable figure, though I've gone through the list of characters on Wikipedia and I can't find anyone who could possibly fit the bill better than him, Parkman, or Peter. Unless its Lyle, :P
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The problem is I don't think, regardless of what I asked earlier, that the Haitian's power can be taken, either by Sylar or by Peter. Technically, neither of their powers would work around him, so Sylar wouldn't be able to see how it works and Peter wouldn't be able to absorb it. If they do have it, that seems like kind of an inconsistency to me... but I do think Parkman could do something like that, if he learns to control it. And I definitely don't think it would be the Haitian doing it himself. He's just too cool.
OR maybe at some point Noah gets injected with Mohinder's formula? He is very good at making people "disappear" even without powers... just a thought.
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But what if,Unless its Mohinder himself! nah, couldn't be it. Maybe since Linderman is dead or something... hmm. I guess we'll just have to fucking wait and see, maaaan.
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Can we just take it for granted that anyone reading this is at risk of spoilers, and not bother shrinking down your theories on what hasn't happened?
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Probably, I just didn't want to be the first one to do it...
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The thing about the Haitian's powers is, Sylar could take them. Remember, the Haitian's power stopped working when he was unconscious at the theater. So provided Sylar could disable the Haitian (and remember, he did have to knock the telekinesis guy out cold with no powers to speak of, so he is capable), he could steal his power easily.
What I am wondering is if the Haitian can control his own power. I mean, we've never seen him not negating everyone else's powers, but could he effectively turn himself off if he wanted to? That would certainly be a way to let Peter work his magic to emulate his power (because Peter has been able to emulate the powers of people he's never seen in action, so the Haitian's power wouldn't have to be active for Peter to copy it).
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Didnt Nathan Petrelli fly away when approached by Noah and the Haitian at one point?
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Yes. That was silly.
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Yeah that was probably just a plot hole.
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It's not a plot hole, it's been explained that the Haitian's power isn't always "on" and that he let Nathan go because he was working for
Tony Soprano Ma Patrelli.
I actually could see The Haitian becoming a "villiain", maybe without meaning to actually be evil. I mean, look at how stone-cold Ma Patrelli is, she FED A GIRL TO SYLAR, and she's supposed to be the one organising the "good guys". So...
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She is an ends justify the means girl after my own heart. That being said, this show isn't about personal politics, its about painting someone with the evil brush, then using the tools of good to fight it.
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Didn't they show a guy in a straitjacket being held on level 5 in some of the previews, I highly doubt that with a dozen (minus three now) mass murderers on the loose the big bad will be anyone but one of them. and if the spoiler at the top of the page is true - huh, how do you fight someone like that and more importantly how do you make anything from then on not look like a step backwards.
but onto more important matters
(Did anyone think that Nathan's killer looked like peter? Perhaps he travels back in time to stop Nathan going public.)
Thankyou
and now onto my rambling thoughts on the episodes so far.
Also I doubt it will end up happening but I can see a way for sylar to die, his one major weakness is the supersonic hearing ability - though they do seem to forget about it a lot - and if you've seen the webisodes, that postman guy has already been shown to be able to blow peoples brains out with his voice. Imagine how much damage he would be able to do to sylar.
They seem to have forgotten that useful thing called Claire's blood - Bob certainly could do with some - on that note I wonder if Peter's blood will have the same effect on people.
The new nikki: (I can't be bothered learning her name) it is quite clear that the writers like the actress who plays her, but didn't want to keep the unpopular character around, but really this has to be the most contrived way of doing it possible. also having her as a public figure "Ice queen" who can freeze people *gag*
I'm glad the German didn't last long (he had a couple of mentions in the webcomic) and he's as clearcut a magneto ripoff as you could get without actually making him wear a tinfoil hat.
I'm curious as to where peter got the ability to put people inside other peoples bodies, that's certainly quite a gift, and could make for an interesting villain at some point.
Angela's dream has a few points of interest
-either nikki/jessica is still alive or what ever her replacement is called goes evil - possibly leading or at least trying to lead Nathan to evil again (we get it guys politics is evil)
-Parkman sr gets out of his nightmare world as well as adam getting dug up. (on that topic i would suggest people check out this comic http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/index.shtml?novel=66 (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/index.shtml?novel=66)) and given the way that they placed adam and nikki side by side might hint that she is the person referenced in that comic - though again it could be jessica (unlikely as Jessica seemed to exist to protect micca and while she wasn't exactly faithful to DL she only did it because it was what needed to be done to protect nikki and micca) or the ice queen or even a third "nikki" - the doctor said he "Made" her - I would presume on lindermans orders (remember what he said about having controlled nikki's entire life) he could have made innumerable copies of her for what ever reason.
A few criticisms:
The show seems to be becoming somewhat reliant on the thing of traveling to the future to see what the problem that they are facing is, I'm guessing that's what's going to happen in the next episode with the two Peters taking a tour of dystopian future number 3.
I also don't really like the way the show just chucks away characters it no longer finds useful with thin or no explanation - the prime example is the Irish girl from the second series, but molly and nathan's wife both got similar treatments.
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They got rid of Molly because the actress is growing faster than the character should be. Presumably.
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They do that. They can have some time pass and then bring her back, like they did with Walt in Lost, but that could be years or not at all. Who knows.
I am excited for a new villain. I wasn't impressed with the powers of the level 5 guys, minus the guy Peter was stuck in, and Sylar is in a transition period now. I can see him becoming the "good" guy who can sometimes cause trouble or be an ass, which are usually the more interesting good guys.
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The new nikki: (I can't be bothered learning her name) it is quite clear that the writers like the actress who plays her, but didn't want to keep the unpopular character around, but really this has to be the most contrived way of doing it possible.
It's not contrived at all when you consider that way back in Season 1 Linderman said he had been controlling Nikki's entire life - presumably he was doing the same with Tracy - and seeing as how the explanation is that Linderman had the doctor genetically engineer a whole bunch of "Nikkis"... well, I just don't see how that's particularly contrived. Contrived would be that she survived the fire by flipping into a different personality with ice powers and freezing the room around her and then forgetting about Micah and getting a job for a Senator in the span of a few days.
EDIT: Oh and speaking of contrived, what the fuck is up with Nathan being able to SEE DEAD PEOPLE, or Linderman being a ghost, or... whatever the hell contrived reason they used to get Malcom McDowell back on the show?
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I was pretty sure the implication was that Nathan is jacked up in the head. But maybe I'm thinking too much like a person not watching a show about people with superpowers.
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Apparently in the online comic books and stuff there was a lady who could see the dead, she got killed by someone who leeched out other people's "auras" and became hungry for those with powers. *cough*ROGUE/SYLAR RIPOFF*cough*.
That reminds me, some of these powers are getting a bit out there to be "caused by adrenaline" though like in Mohinder's experiments. I really think that that was a shitty "scientific" discovery. Lacks verisimilitude* after a certain point. Sure, people hopped up on adrenaline like mothers can gain super strength to save their babies or some shit but stopping time? I realize I'm being too picky here, but its distracting me a bit.
That said I don't think that it's just Nathan being fucked up, Linderman was a great idea for a villain, a mobster who could heal anything and yet was willing to kill millions? I'm only to happy for him to remain in the show, if nothing else I like the actor in all his cheesy goodness. Unless its Sylar, having come back in time with Hiro's powers and the ability to take on other people's forms like future Peter can, as well as become selectively invisible. But that would be soap-opera style silly.
*Phil's SAT word of the day
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I think the thing about Mohinder's serum is that it only gives specific kinds of powers (and, obviously, appears to have negative Jeff Goldbulm-like side effects) - it gave him super strength, and he got it using Maya's, ahem, juices, and her power is certainly very aggressive.
In short, I think he's wrong that the whole answer for every power is the adrenal gland. I know it's a silly superhero show but, really, come on - the adrenal gland gives someone the ability to Alchemize?
On that note, it was said during Season 2 that Bob's power wasn't as simple as turning one metal into another - I wonder if they'll be going anywhere with that.
Also, why doesn't Sylar use his Melt Shit power? It's a very silly idea for a power but it would certainly be useful.
I'm not in the "Sylar/Peter are overpowered" camp, but I do think that giving Sylar telekinesis right off the bat was a bad idea, especially since he can use it so fast and precisely that he can stop bullets with it. When did he get the "ultimate reaction time" power?
After watching the third episode again on Hulu I am officially of the opinion that Daphne in the top 5 characters on the show. She better stick around. When they killed off Eden I was very sad.
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Bob's power was supposed to have been exhibited to a better extent last season. Towards the middle point of the show, when Parkman's dad showed up and controlled Nikki, Bob was supposed to transmute a wooden door into steel to hold her off. They decided against it because the effect allegedly looked like shit.
In terms of Sylar's melting, there's two reasons. First and more importantly, according to interviews with the producers, he is compelled to acquire powers whether they'll do him any good or not. On the surface, one could think how Zane's ability might've been useful, but when you get down to it, melting metal is a pretty shit useless power when you've already got incredibly strong telekinesis or the power to freeze something to the point that it's too brittle to stand up to you.
More directly related to the plot, though, pay attention to his power usage lately. Anyone else notice that, so far this season, Sylar hasn't exhibited a single power, outside of telekinesis, that he hasn't picked up this season? Allegedly, when he contracted the Shanti virus, his powers were essentially wiped with the exception of his telekinesis.
I don't understand how he'd hold onto just the TK, but this was outlined in an interview with a couple of the writers on Comic Book Resources.
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I think they did that as the simplest answer to the question that would inevitably get raised "Why doesn't sylar just nuke the ...." and it would be a good question too we've already seen that the Ted's power could create an E.M.P. that would knockout the security in the cells, and Elle's self defensive blast proves they haven't done anything to fix this gap in the defenses. So all in all it's easier to just get rid of his powers.
On the subject of people not using powers, what about peter? I guess you could contrive some sort of argument saying that when he went boom that was somehow the end of his Nuclear hands (but if you say that, why did the company bother locking him up last season), but what about his invisibility, last time he used that was when he was sneaking around the hospital after he saved Nathan, not to mention all the powers he should have but never acknowledges - all the powers sylar has or had, plus eden's, nikki's, micha's, molly's, bob's, his father's and the company woman who adam killed (whatever theirs were).
Hmmm I wonder if Peter comes into contact with super Ando or Mohinder will he gain their abilities?
And to finish, my question about the adrenalin issue, how much adrenalin does a cold dead body lying on a slab have?
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That's another reason I have a problem with the "you gain everyone's powers" idea, because there's just not enough time to use them all in a show, the effects become really expensive, and plot holes like that are covered up George Lucas style.
Also damnit I'm really excited about tonight's episode, maybe its because I've been loading 30 pound boxes of Catholic cooking books for the last two hours but I can't wait for tonight.
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On the subject of people not using powers, what about peter? I guess you could contrive some sort of argument saying that when he went boom that was somehow the end of his Nuclear hands (but if you say that, why did the company bother locking him up last season), but what about his invisibility, last time he used that was when he was sneaking around the hospital after he saved Nathan, not to mention all the powers he should have but never acknowledges - all the powers sylar has or had, plus eden's, nikki's, micha's, molly's, bob's, his father's and the company woman who adam killed (whatever theirs were).
Well, with the glaring exception of using DL's power in Season 2, Peter only uses powers that he's seen in action (aside from his Mom's dreaming, which is a passive power anyway). So far this season, when has he been in a position where he needed to use his nuke hands? He's already aware that opening that door is a Bad Idea so even in a fight I think he'd hold off on the chance that Jesus Nathan isn't around to fly him away again.
Also, the real answer to "Why doesn't Peter just fix everything with all his awesome powers" is that, as the show is attempting to show us, things are not so simple. Future-Peter's constant attempts to change the future just keep making it worse (ie telling Claire to stay home) and Jesse-Peter clearly only has Jesse's power at the moment.
Also I disagree about The German. Magneto clone? Yeah, whatever. Potential to be fucking badass? HELL YES.
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They are both German and they both have super magnetic powers? Seems a little toooooooo similar. Anyway I cant stand german accents and all those psycho killers were retarded anyway, Im glad they're gone.
Anyway, did we ever figure out how Peter got the scar? Im still curious
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Yeah, all of the characters are "clones" of other superheroes, like ideas, there are few "original" or at least interesting powers, that haven't been used before, I've got no complaints with that.
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Up until now I've always particularly disliked the "Travel to the future to see just how fucked we are" episode and this was really no exception.
so much for the virus giving sylar mind wipe, unless sylar went out and hunted down another future painter and nuclear guy - unlikely.
urgh to the good sylar crap - it was horribly overdone when Peter first arrived in a blatant attempt to give the viewer a "WTF" moment
I'm wondering who sylars father is, I had assumed it was probably either Kaito or Linderman but essentially anyone other than Peter and Nathan's father but the way they are talking makes it seem like they are full brothers.
Also what was with Sylar being able to grant or deny peter his ability? Plus peter trying to take it by force? up until now peters ability has been passive and automatic peter has never shown any indication of being able to choose which powers he acquires. if there's one thing that pisses me off it's when writers ignore the rules THEY created for a world.
I'm thinking that Angela is the brains behind the big bad, she certainly seems to be setting a lot of people up for a fall - feeding and encouraging sylar - Pushing elle, somene who's never had that good a grip on sanity, away from the only bit of stability she has in her life - manipulating Hiro into releasing Adam. Plus she certainly was more than a tad pissed off when scarface peter showed up and changed what she had been planing for the future.
There are other things but I'll post them later.
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Man, you complain a lot. Just sayin'.
I thought it was a fantastic episode. Good-Sylar made perfect sense to me because, again, it has been shown several times in past seasons that he has a human side, and with the explanation that his power is more "hunger for knowledge" than anything else, it all fits. At some point last year the writers said that this season will finally explain the room in Papa Suresh's apartment with "Father forgive me" and all that written on the walls - and from next week's trailer, it looks like we'll finally meet Papa Patrelli.
And the time-traveling to show what goes wrong was easily the most efficient way to tell the story they're trying to tell - about how good becomes evil and vice versa. It's great to watch this volume of the season coming together from both sides, and I'm pretty eager to find out how it ends, and how that ties into the second half of the season being called Fugitives.
I think we're supposed to assume that Claire is Sylar's baby momma, since he's named Noah and all, but it could also be that he named him that because him and HRG, in the present, do become a team and HRG sacrifices himself at some point to save Gabriel.
It looks like Parkman is going to be the key to figuring all this shit out, if that damn turtle would hurry up.
Hey, have any of the episodes so far featured the "Godsend" symbol?? That seems like a really glaring omission - maybe it means that things are fucked up? And I guess they're never going to tell us why Nessika only had her tattoo when she was Jessica.
Originally The Haitian was portrayed as someone doing God's will, a divine good-guy, and I wonder if that has anything to do with Linderman. Perhaps Linderman is God? :-o
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In the world getting destroyed paintings the god-symbol is literally splitting the world in twain. Very def an awesome episode. And I dont really care what ya'll think, emo pussy boy-man Peter is my boy. Its getting interesting!
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In the world getting destroyed paintings the god-symbol is literally splitting the world in twain.
Ugh, how did I not notice that. :|
So, given:
1. The Big Bad is someone "already close to the characters".
2. The Big Bad shows up in episode 5.
3. The Big Bad is Papa Patrelli.
wtf
This season is just a bunch of random crazy shit and yet so far it is working beautifully. It's not good in the same way Season 1 was, but I'm okay with that. I don't think they could have kept the vibe of Season 1 forever without it becoming an X-Files/conspiracy clone show.
I'm glad Daphne is important but it did seem a little forced/weird that she would end up falling for Matt, of all people. I was positive she was going to be the reason Ando and Hiro get mad at each other.
Is Angela supposed to be Hiro's mother? Wasn't that heavily implied last season, I seem to remember at least that it was implied Angela and Kaito had an affair. Someone needs to make a graph illustrating the family links.
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Angela Petrelli is actually mother to every single one of the supers. Including Adam, whom Kaito (having kept his teleport/time-travel ability secret even at the cost of his own life) took back to feudal Japan as a child just to start that chain reaction of events.
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I'm glad Daphne is important but it did seem a little forced/weird that she would end up falling for Matt, of all people. I was positive she was going to be the reason Ando and Hiro get mad at each other.
Were they an actual couple? All I got was that she had a kid, Molly was calling her "mum" and Peter had totally fucked up her life somehow. I mean it would make total sense, just was it ever stated by both Daphne or Parkman that they were in a relationship.
Unless you mean how she literally fell for him (hurr hurr).
Also, cockroach Mohinder is fucking awesome and I wanna see me some fucked up ugliness.
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It was made fairly obvious that Daphne and Parkman were a thing and did have a child together, the scene had a very domestic flair. And Molly since adopted by Parkman as calling Daphne 'mum' that pretty much solidifies it.
Also
Cockroach Mohinder has a Spiderman in the symbiote thing about it, which is totally lame. Seriously, the super powers have all been pretty generic which is forgivable since well, theres only so many powers to be made up, but that was the most obvious personality trait ripoff to date.
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Were they an actual couple?
African Isaac painted a picture of Parkman with her next to him in a wedding dress. Until this episode, I was assuming it was just some random girl we'd never see, but in retrospect, it does look exactly like her. So yeah.
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Just got to watch it. I don't know. This episode was awesome, but nothing about it grabbed me with ideas the way the others have so far. I've got nothing real new to say, except that now that Peter has "the hunger" he and Sylar have officially become the same thing. They can't drag out the "who's the good guy and who's the bad guy" thing too long, or it's just going to get repetitive and boring. To me, anyway.
Future Claire is way hotter than present Claire.
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blonde hotness < not blonde hotness
almost always.
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I disagree completely about Peter and Sylar being the same, the guy who plays Sylar is still wayyyy better at acting. Also opposite on Claire for me as well, I'm not diggin' the whole dye your hair brown and be moody/scary thing. I personally prefer brunettes, I do. Doesn't work on her.
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yeah, the guy who plays Peter really stinks at acting.
i never really paid much attention to it until last night when he had some espescially dramatic line and it was just awful. the guy who plays Sylar, sorry Gabriel, is much much better.
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Well, when you've got the guy acting with himself, when he's not particularly strong in the first place.... never good.
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blonde hotness < not blonde hotness
I don't usually like blondes but Elle and Daphne are both ridiculously cute.
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The thing is, nearly every girl on the show that is supposed to be attractive (and they are, don't get me wrong) is blonde. Claire, Elle, Daphne, Tracy/Jessica/Whateversheisnow. At least Maya is not blonde, I guess, but come on, Heroes.
After thinking things over a while, I have decided I'm excited to see what will happen with Mohinder, I wonder when they will actually show us what he has become. Also, I'm still fascinated by Matt's storyline, even though we've got very little from it so far.
And, I guess they found a way to use Molly after all. Cool.
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BECAUSE BEING BLONDE MEANS YOU ARE PART OF ZE MASTER RACE YOU SEE
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Man, you complain a lot. Just sayin'.
Yeah, I nitpick it's what I do. It proves that I like something enough to give it serious contemplation.
Good-Sylar made perfect sense to me because, again, it has been shown several times in past seasons that he has a human side, and with the explanation that his power is more "hunger for knowledge" than anything else, it all fits.
I never said it didn't make sense I just said that it was over done - over acted and way over written.
And Daphne is nowhere near as good looking with her hair down.
We're obviously supposed to assume that peter will or at least might turn evil because he has sylar's power but that makes no sense - why would he need to kill people to feed his thirst to know things - he can already read minds and he can take the powers without killing people.
Now that we've seen sylar still has his season 1 powers that raises the question of does he have Candice's. - wait it just occurred to me that if sylar had the shanti virus at the start of season 2 A) he wouldn't have had the "hunger" so why would he want to kill her at all? B)Having killed her how would he be able to examine the brain to find the power without his power?
Also season needs more muscle mimic girl. and more Elle.
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It does make sense for Peter to have to kill people, though. Sylar's power is to know how things work by looking at them. Peter's power is either mimicry or he possibly has all the powers but doesn't know it yet. Mind reading doesn't mean he knows how the power works, just what they're thinking, and those people don't know how the power works, just that they have it and can access it. He still needs to take off the top of their heads in order to examine the brain and find out exactly how it works.
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Yeah, The Hunger isn't a hunger for the powers themselves, but rather for knowledge of how they work. Peter gets powers just by being around people, sure, but he knows fuck-all about how they work (as evidenced by his rather poor usage of them compared to Sylar).
I maintain Daddy Gabriel was written and acted perfectly. Given four years' time and being a dad, it's no more ridiculous than anything else in the show - I don't watch it expecting there to not be massive clichés, since they've established that at this point it's a "comic book" show. Granted, it wasn't quite that in Season 1, but as I said earlier, I think they had to evolve past the vibe of Season 1 because it just wouldn't have held its magic much longer than that.
Sylar doesn't have Candice's power because at the time he tried to read her brain, he had no powers whatsoever, including his own. I hope they don't retcon that, because her power is both insanely confusing for viewers and would be make Sylar truly ridiculous, considering how powerful she was (this was really only shown in the webcomic with her origin).
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Cliffhanger to 'I Am Become Death' = HOLY SHIT WHY DID NONE OF US SEE THAT COMING.
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Holy shit. That picture. THAT FUCKING PICTURE. That is awesome. What is it, a St. Pauli Girl ad?
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I don't know what it is. I found it here (http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/livejournal-pictures.php).
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I found it here (http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/livejournal-pictures.php).
Hello new way to find things to lol @ while drunk!
(http://images.eden.co.uk/300/GDPM-002.jpg)
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But sometimes it's NSFW! Be careful!
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I like how Peter-actor is staring at Claire-actress's boobs.
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I think they're maybe dating in real life. Which is actually kind of weird.
Remember her when she was in Remember the Titans?
(http://xe4.xanga.com/e1d0934630531109234713/z21525493.jpg)
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I think they're maybe dating in real life. Which is actually kind of weird.
That's part of why it's funny. But yeah, he's like 1.5 times her age, and also acts the part of her character's brother, so it is kind of weird.
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Also what was with Sylar being able to grant or deny peter his ability? Plus peter trying to take it by force? up until now peters ability has been passive and automatic peter has never shown any indication of being able to choose which powers he acquires. if there's one thing that pisses me off it's when writers ignore the rules THEY created for a world.
I personally thought that what they were showing in that scene wasnt exactly sylar letting peter take his powers, but sylar teaching peter how to use his powers. sure peter can take the powers of whoever he wants but if he doesnt know what the power is or what it does how can he use it? maybe sylar had never revealed what his power does. he had to tell peter what to do (by giving him the broken watch and telling him how to envision fixing it) in order for peter to use it.
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That's part of why it's funny. But yeah, he's like 1.5 times her age, and also acts the part of her character's brother, so it is kind of weird.
Not as weird as those pictures from Season 1 episode shoots that showed Jack Coleman kissing her. She hadn't even turned 18 at that point!
(http://tv.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/hayden.jpg)
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WEIRD
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CLAIRE BEAR
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Seeing a guy who has killed a dozen of people in a apron is emasculating, but funny
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Ho-lee shee-it that was a cool fuckin' episode.
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That was a rather WTF episode
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Yeah tonight's episode was a whole lot of awesome and WTF.
The only glaring problem is Hiro stabbing Ando. There better be an explanation like "Hiro is going to go back in time and save him" or something because otherwise, it makes no sense.
More good-guy Sylar was awesome.
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I've never been much into Heroes. It's the kind of thing I'll watch if I'm bored or tired and it happens to be on, and after an hour I'll usually get slightly bemused and slightly entertained. However, having tuned into the first couple of episodes of the latest season last week, I have to ask: does
Marlo (http://www.hbo.com/thewire/cast/characters/marlo_stanfield.shtml) Jamie Hector (http://www.hbo.com/thewire/cast/actors/jamie_hector.shtml) do anything cool in later episodes?
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SPOILER SPOILER
He feeds on the fear of Sylar's son in the future and then proceeds to kill him.
And back in the present he "tests" Hiro by telling him to kill Ando (which Hiro proceeds to shockingly do).
He is pretty much a sinister dude
By the way, that was a definite WTF moment, along with the vortex dude's end and Pa Patrelli
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This was a good episode. I wasn't sure I liked all the stuff with Hiro, because maybe I wasn't paying enough attention and wasn't sure why he would just decide to be a bad guy, but now I guess we know what happened to make Ando so pissed, right?
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I've never been much into Heroes. It's the kind of thing I'll watch if I'm bored or tired and it happens to be on, and after an hour I'll usually get slightly bemused and slightly entertained. However, having tuned into the first couple of episodes of the latest season last week, I have to ask: does Marlo (http://www.hbo.com/thewire/cast/characters/marlo_stanfield.shtml) Jamie Hector (http://www.hbo.com/thewire/cast/actors/jamie_hector.shtml) do anything cool in later episodes?
Given what they done to Bubbles, I figure his chances aren't that great.
I love the AV Club's blog for this show. (http://www.avclub.com/content/tvclub/heroes/angels_and_monsters)
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Good episode over all. There were only three small things I didn't like - two of which will hopefully be resolved later.
1. as other people have said, Hiro stabbing Ando. If that was supposed to be his desent into darkness then it was terribly acted but no doubt he'll wake up in the company with a few drops of Clair/Adam/Peter/Sylar blood and a handy addition of blast of red lightning to go with it.
2. ok, so you've confirmed beyond doubt that Linderman is not there, so how then did Nathan heal?
3. everyone including the writers seems to keep forgetting that sylar has amazing hearing, as soon as Noah even mentioned to black hole man that he wanted sylar dead he would have known about it and I doubt sylar would gamble his life on a strangers desire to not be a monster.
beyond that the only thing that irritated me was the writers seeming to be determined to cram the word monster in there as many times as is humanly possible.
As far as speculation goes: a third nikki was briefly mentioned I wonder if they're going to save her until after Tracy is dead or bring her on soon so that we can have some more of that actors acting with themselves which seems to be so popular lately (and I'm not just talking about heroes).
I'm also a little confused as to how Patrelli and Parkman sr seem to have an omniscient knowledge of whats going on in the world. Surely Parkmans power can't be that expansive or he'd be unstoppable and from what we saw Patrelli's power seems to be something along the lines of full body paralysis
Does anyone else think that when Patrelli Sr 'died' in season one Angela had tried to kill him?
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I honestly don't think that Hiro killed Ando at all. When you can stop and manipulate time and teleport wherever you want, you can make arrangements in advance. Because Ando looked more confused than in pain there, which may just be bad acting but I refuse to believe Hiro would do that.
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Good episode over all. There were only three small things I didn't like - two of which will hopefully be resolved later.
1. as other people have said, Hiro stabbing Ando. If that was supposed to be his desent into darkness then it was terribly acted but no doubt he'll wake up in the company with a few drops of Clair/Adam/Peter/Sylar blood and a handy addition of blast of red lightning to go with it.
2. ok, so you've confirmed beyond doubt that Linderman is not there, so how then did Nathan heal?
3. everyone including the writers seems to keep forgetting that sylar has amazing hearing, as soon as Noah even mentioned to black hole man that he wanted sylar dead he would have known about it and I doubt sylar would gamble his life on a strangers desire to not be a monster.
You can clearly see a shimmer around the sword when he stabs him. Somehow Hiro used his power to make it appear that he killed Ando, but didn't actually hurt him.
You forget that Peter is capable of healing people, and it was future Peter so no doubt he had a power similar to Linderman's to heal Nathan.
Remember Sylar had to learn how to control the super hearing; I'm guessing he can turn it on and off, but doesn't use it often since it's a fairly useless power/is trying to turn over a new leaf. Either that, or he didn't get that power back after curing the virus.
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if he could turn it on and off at will he'd probably have done it there, because there really wasn't a better opportunity, and he can figure it out later.
Future Peter definitely didn't heal Nathan, as he was sitting out in the hall when the guy came and told him Nathan was dead. (the switch had occured earlier when Peter chased himself after future him shot Nathan.
That does in fact make little sense, but who knows, maybe Nathan did it to himself. They just said that he was born without powers so they gave him one, but they had no idea Claire could do what she did until they found out HRG was covering it up, right? Of course that doesn't make sense either because he would have healed after the explosion supposedly, and Takedo did that. Who I'm assuming they're going to do for Arthur Petrelli by capturing him...
Of course honestly we don't know what Arthur Petrelli's power is yet, since telepathy is in Parkman's area of expertise, though I'm assuming we'll find out. I still think the Balefire thing is kinda lame idea.
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You're right, so my guess is that he didn't get that power back. Unfortunately that would leave an explanation needed for how future Sylar could still be nuclear. Perhaps we're just dealing with the aftermath of the unplanned season two finale.
I forgot Peter was in the hall...maybe he was waiting for that so he could go heal him? He would have had to act surprised in order to maintain the guise of being present Peter. I wasn't paying close attention at that part; I find Peter heavy scenes to be cringe worthy usually because of his poor acting.
I hadn't thought of Nathan possibly having another power.
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man Daphne is a babe
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Papa Petrelli and a puppet master. Oh, things will get SO interesting.
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Yeah, Daphne is pretty hot.
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Maybe Pa Patrelli is the guy who Future-Peter got his body-switching abilities from?
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Then why wouldn't Arthur have just switched out of his own body into someone else?
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Some complaints I have seen thus far:
Why would Claire think she could kill Peter?
Status: Resolved.
How is Linderman back from the dead when he had a hole in his head?
Status: Resolved.
Why didn't Peter use his powers in the bank?
Status: Resolved.
We are not even a full month into the season, folks. Speculation is fun, but really, the expectation that they lay all their cards out on the table that seems to follow this show is bordering on the realm of ludicrous. Yes, there have been some flubs that really should be resolved already (Peter's omnipresent future scar, what's up with Sylar's powers*, where is Caitlin**), but they tend to get around to shit eventually and this season in particular seems to be moving at a very swift pace in terms of answers. Again, we're less than a month in and we've already seen so many questions raised and then answered rather swiftly while weaving in new ones. This is how serialized fiction works.
*This has actually been answered by the writers. When he contracted the Shanti virus, he lost every ability except his telekinesis. His nuclear and future panting abilities are, according to them, the result of Sylar taking the abilities from others again (As we are well aware that powers do repeat and he is clearly not over his tendencies by a long shot as yet). I don't necessarily count this as a full on resolution since it was answered in interviews rather than in the actual show.
**This was set to be resolved, but has since been completely fucked by the writers' strike. It was supposed to be taken care of in the latter half of season 2, but when the strike occurred, the situation became a difficult one. Aside from the fact they had to completely and drastically rewrite the ending to volume 2 (And I mean DRASTICALLY, some of the shit I've heard whispered was pretty severe), scheduling conflicts with minor characters likely came up. That's also why Candice was killed off. She was originally supposed to pal around with Sylar for a while, but Missy Peregrim left the show and by the time they realized they really dug the temporary replacement actress, an entire restructuring of the season would have been necessary to write her back in.
In summation: Watch the show, people. Your questions will 90% likely be answered in due time, provided we don't see another strike.
Edit: For those curious, I get most of the behind the scenes info I reference here from Comic Book Resources' weekly article Behind the Eclipse (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=archive&type=kw&key=behind+the+eclipse), which they run every Monday afternoon covering questions submitted concerning the prior week's episode.
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3. everyone including the writers seems to keep forgetting that sylar has amazing hearing, as soon as Noah even mentioned to black hole man that he wanted sylar dead he would have known about it and I doubt sylar would gamble his life on a strangers desire to not be a monster.
Watch that scene again, it seemed incredibly obvious to me that Sylar did, in fact, use his super-hearing and knew what they were saying. But as we have seen that Sylar is trying to be "good", he didn't immediately flip out and start TK-tossing everyone around, he waited to see how it played out.
The look on Claire's face when she noticed Sylar was saving her from Black Hole Sun was priceless.
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"High five, turtle"
and
"Hello? Mr. African Isaac?"
have been the best two lines of this entire season, thus far.
And fuck if that shovel bit didn't have me laughing my ass off.
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I'm glad adam is dead, it was good that they got rid of him permanently, rather than leaving him for when they need something to rely on.
apart from that, yay for remembering Claude's power finally.
But frankly the whole thing with the puppet master guy was boring and predictable, the whole time they were focusing on that I was impatient for them to get back to some of the other characters, notably Mohinder who does seem to be probably the most interesting in terms of the Hero/Villain stuff.
When Daphene was explaining to hiro about the assignment he was being given my video stuck for a moment after she described his powers, in which time I pre empted hiros cry of "Mr Isark" like a derranged fan boy, leading to a moment of "I'm glad no one was here to see that"
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I was rather disappointed with Pa Patrelli's power because it's basically the same power as Peter and Sylar. I mean, actually taking away the powers of that person is a good tweak on the power, but it's still the same basic power unless there's something else different about it. (I'll admit, though, that killing Monroe like he was Indiana Jones' adversary in Last Crusade was pretty cool)
Also, Peter has to be pretty dumb to walk right into that "give your father a hug" trap
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"High five, turtle"
Parkman and his turtle are awesome. Second only to Sylar/HRG.
Loved this episode. The writers really did get their shit together over the strike. And I love how Daphne is basically semi-accidentally bringing the "good" people together because she doesn't want to be "bad". The actress is insanely cute and does a very good job.
Also loving how self-aware the show is. "Why don't you just travel back in time one minute?" Making fun of people who nerd-rage out about "Why doesn't Hiro just go back and fix everything", people who seem to have forgotten Charlie and the fact that the past is something you can't really fuck with.
Sylar being the "real hero" now is great, Peter made a pretty sucky one.
I'm assuming there will be yet another Parkman vs. Parkman showdown.
God damn them for killing of Adam, though, he was one of the most amusing actors to watch, and his hijinx with Hiro were great.
Yeah, they spent too much time on the puppetmaster part, especially since he wasn't so much scary as creepy and a bit, er, "fabulous" sounding. It seemed awfully contrived that he had a past relationship with Meredith, though. That girl must have screwed half of the southwest. Also, I really don't know why they brought her of all people back, other than the obvious (she's Claire's mom), because her character in Season 1 was basically "om nom nom money I don't give a shit about my daughter just GIVE ME THE MONEY LEBOWSKI".
It would have been funny if they'd thrown in a little scene where a pilot at the airport passes by Matt and says "Hey, didn't you used to work for Oceanic Airlines?" :lol:
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"High five, turtle"
and
"Hello? Mr. African Isaac?"
have been the best two lines of this entire season, thus far.
And fuck if that shovel bit didn't have me laughing my ass off.
I don't know, "They all look the same to me" / "That's racist" was pretty good. Although no way does it beat "High five, turtle."
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Man. Peter from the present obviously gets his powers back or there would be no peter from the future to tell him about everything bad.
The further into Heroes it goes, the more the loop holes are starting to irk me.
But still, great episode.
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Might explain why peter of the future was able to be killed.
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No, that was because Claire put a bullet in his brain. And we have seen before that objects lodged in immortals' brains tend to keep them dead until removed. Also, it wouldn't explain how he was still able to use telekinesis, time travel and whatever other abilities.
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I thought she only shot him in the chest, I don't remember there being a head wound... maybe my memory is just effed up at the moment though.
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I thought he died because the Haitian was there to block his healing power. It looked like he only got shot in the chest...but as I said before, I don't pay much attention when Peter is on screen because he's just barely bearable.
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The correct answer:
Future Peter was not shot in the head. He was shot in the chest. He died because the Haitian was present and blocking his powers.
There is no such continuity error concerning Peter losing his powers for multiple reasons:
One, future Peter and Angela have both noted that the future he came from will not occur in any precisely identical manner due to his coming back in time and fucking around with shit. This was the entire point of the second episode of this season, folks. It was even titled 'Butterfly Effect.' Watch Back to the god damn Future, people.
Future Peter is dead and present Peter didn't lose his powers until after he was killed and this all occurred after Peter visited the future. For all we know, that future doesn't exist anymore.
I will give the fact that it's clearly obvious Peter will get his powers back, but it has nothing to do with the fact he has powers in the last future we saw and everything to do with the fact Peter is the fact Peter is the closest thing the show has to a main character.
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Time traveling is such a cheesy gimmick now.
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I like the fact that we know know who would win in a fight between Sylar and Peter. Although I bet if their show down had been a few episodes earlier, before Sylar started trying to be good and Peter began to be evil because of Sylar's power the outcome would have been different. I always knew Sylar was misunderstood, ever since season one!! He is definitely my favourite character.
I watched the American episodes a couple of weeks before they came out in England, so I think I got a bit muddled... for some reason I thought that future Peter had been locked up after being shot by Claire and survived, but that's obviously something my brain just made up for fun.
And I love the fact that Matt's spirit animal is that turtle! Matt is an amazing character, and I'm looking forward to him getting to use his powers a bit more to protect Daphne (I aw'd when he said he would protect her, such a cute couple)
And final note... I can't wait to see this week's episode... and I think last week's, in snych. Damn internet ain't letting the sound keep up with the video when I watch it!
EDIT: I lied, one more note. Thank you blanktom for the link to online Heroes!! Love you!!
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who's sound is out of sync, I've been watching them on surfthechannel and there is a good second/second and a half delay on the sound. very annoying especially when Hiro and Ando are speaking in Japanese (the fact that they still do this is a very good thing) cos it's hard to figure out who's saying what.
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dude nbc.com.
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Doesn't work if you're not in the states.
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hulu.com?
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Also doesn't work outside the States. Surfthechannel is, in fact, the best international place right now, ever since TV Links went down (its zombie revival is pretty awful).
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Surfthechannel is good and I use it daily but if you want things that are uploaded straight after they are aired, or thereabouts, then I recommend sidereel.com. It serves the same purpose as surfthechannel, it just seems that it's updated a lot quicker
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you're all incorrect.
Ninjavideo.net has friggin HDTV rips of Heroes. No buffering. In 720 frickin progressive HD.
also, I am in love with Dania Ramirez's character Maya. Too bad she fell in love with The Fly.
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Eh, Maya is the least consistently interesting character the show has produced so far, I think. Well, maybe Claire's real mom is worse, but still.
SPOILERS:
Episode 8 is supposedly titled "Eclipse" and EVERYONE WILL LOSE THEIR POWERS.
I... I really don't know what to think about that.
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Argh! You Americans are ahead of the Brits! hard to discuss in a topic where i see spoilers.....
Anyone got a site where I can watch Heroes online? hulu and nbc don't seem to work if you're outside the US and youtube's as behind as we are
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Someone posts links on got-heroes.com for each episode. Handy!
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woo, cheers all
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I just torrent them. I have fun being from the future because I'm ahead of the English showings. I hope what happened to Peter in episode 6 will make him be less of a dick.
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I'm kinda thinking it will make him more of a dick, just cos he's lost the ability to understand things, doesn't mean that the power didn't leave him with the traces wanting to understand everything.
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Yeah, but Peter was too powerful. They were slowly giving him a god like status. They got rid of the 'gods' Sylar vs Peter factor when they made Sylar start turning into a good guy, which I thought was a step in the right direction.
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Exactly, Peter was a complete force of good by the end of season one and he was pretty much powerful enough to save the day every time. Now he's confused, angry, deluded, and now powerless. Maybe he'll work his way back up.
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Maybe he'll just keep failing and end up even twistier while Gabriel becomes the greatest thing to come out of Ma Patrelli's vagina.
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It would be pretty cool, albeit somewhat cliched, if both Peters ended up fighting. Future Peter wouldn't even have much of an advantage would he, because ordinary Peter would have all the powers Future one has (by standing next to him)
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Perhaps the Japan-destroying explosion Hiro saw in his vision, and the "world breaking in half" paintings, mean that Papa Patrelli will get so many powers that he goes nuclear on a WAY bigger scale than Ted or Sylar did.
Would be kind of dumb, but hey, it's a dumb show (things can be both dumb and good: see "Knights of Cydonia" for example, both song and video).
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thats' the thing with Heroes is that whilst it's hell dramatic, sometimes bordering soap opera, it doesn't really take itself too seriously, keeping in mind how they're contsantly reminding us about the comic book elements.
I tuned off Lost because of that. It was getting too silly whilst keeping it as serious as anything
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Man, you should give LOST another chance. Season 4 was pure, absolute gold and made up for all the stupid things in seasons 2 and 3. One episode of S4 made me cry.
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Also, Lost is only really serious if you ignore everything Locke and Ben do. Both of their interactions with everyone "beneath" them, or at least those with whom they disagree, are very much tongue-in-cheek, and I smile most of the time they are talking. Also, Hurley. Even when he is tragic, it is kind of funny.
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I hope that when LOST is over, Jorge Garcia and Michael Emerson star in a wacky buddy cop film where they have to take down Terry O'Quinn, supervillain.
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Wow. I'd actually try to watch that
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I like that they took Elle on a plane when her very presence wigged out not-terribly-sensitive electronics earlier. Retarded in that special Heroes way.
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I'm looking forward to this week's episode (in Australia), because it's the one that has Andre Royo in it, and after that's been and gone I won't feel obliged to watch the show any more.
When I was watching the last episode to screen here (because Jamie Hector was in it, duh), and there was the scene with future-Peter talking to present-Peter, which meant that that actor was playing both roles in a dialogue scene . . . Christ it was painful to watch.
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This episode was pretty damn close to Season 2 bad. Almost nothing happened, and it looks like nothing will happen next episode either, other than instead of seeing Matt's dream of the future we'll see Hiro's dream of the past.
The only decent parts were the ones with Sylar and Matt/Daphne, and those were pretty short. I was really rolling my eyes when it appeared that Sylar was going to fall for Pa Patrelli's "No, your MOM is evil" schtick, but cushioning Peter's fall was a nice touch.
And for real, the guy that plays Pa is doing a horrible job of being particularly villainous. He has a funny accent and some vague plan. Ooooo. :roll:
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One thing that irritates me about this season is how clear cut (at least to the audience) the Angela/Primatech good - Arthur/Pinecrest bad is. With the first season and to a lesser extent the second it was never really clear even at the end where everyone stood in terms of good/evil.
What's with Arthur needing Mohinder's help with the formula - they've already got at least 4 adult test subjects, at least 2 of whom appear to have no side effect
And one final gripe Daphne was shown to know both Morrie and Arthur, so why were they bothering to use the illusion of Linderman with her?
But I'm glad Morrie's dead, between him and Adam that pretty much means that all of the season 2 bads are gone rather than just left in stasis as they were at the end of series 2.
I'm curious to see what the big secret Daphne keeps hinting to Matt about is.
Oh, and I predict the dream that Angela had when Sylar was born was of him killing Arthur.
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The only redeeming factor of that episode was Jamie Hector punching through Matt Parkman.
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The thing that erks me most about this season is how we gained so many characters and lost all connection to them.
They're emotions are paper thin, yet radical and changing at an extreme pace! It's like they all have PMS.
They can fix it, and I really hope they do.
Because right now the only reason to watch is the effects.
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Sentence structure: try it sometime.
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And one final gripe Daphne was shown to know both Morrie and Arthur, so why were they bothering to use the illusion of Linderman with her?
I think she didn't know them before, but after she showed that she knew Linderman was an illusion maybe they thought that there wasn't much point in using him to give her instructions.
I agree with Jackie Blue that the Sylar and Matt/Daphnie bits are the best and I wish they would have Sylar in it more. He is by far the best character (and not just because he's yummy), but his character has so much depth and is really interesting! I love that he cushioned Peter; I knew he was too smart to just fall for Pa Patrelli's spiel.
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Actually, I don't think Maury is dead. I think it was a staged illusion fake-out to convince Daphne to go along with it. Otherwise, African Isaac's painting of "the four big bad guys you need to stop" was kind of pointless since one of them was most definitely Maury.
And there was actually one other good part of the episode: Elle is back and her and Claire were "bonding". :lol:
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Oh fuck I missed last night! I went to sleep at like 7! NOOOOOO. Not reading this thread yet, not reading this thread....
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So watch it tonight on G4.
I'm glad they got rid of Maya for the time being. I hated her last season, and this season she was just beginning to get tolerable. I get the feeling that they were testing Daphne to see if she'd really kill Matt. Not just because of African Isaac's painting, but because I think Arthur would have taken his power before killing him.
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Actually, I don't think Maury is dead. I think it was a staged illusion fake-out to convince Daphne to go along with it. Otherwise, African Isaac's painting of "the four big bad guys you need to stop" was kind of pointless since one of them was most definitely Maury.
And there was actually one other good part of the episode: Elle is back and her and Claire were "bonding". :lol:
Angela's dream/vision of the bad guys on Level 5 also had Adam and Maury in it, along with Tracy and Knox IRC and I'm pretty sure I'm missing out someone else too. With both Adam and Maury supposedly dead it makes the whole scene pretty pointless too. It could be an example of just because it's seen in the future doesn't mean it's actually going to happen.
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Or the writers are just terribly, terribly inconsistent.
Which is impossible.
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When Peter had all of his powers stolen does that mean that his ability to absorb powers was also taken? Because future Peter still had powers and Im not sure how he would have gotten them back. Him not having the ability to heal for a time would explain the scar on his face though.
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Obviously they were taken, or it'd be a moot point. If Arthur took everything but Peter's mimicry power, Peter could just remimic everything that had just been sapped from him.
Again, future scenario, not written in stone, haven't seen it since Peter lost his powers.
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Remember, none of these events happened to scarface Peter. in his timeline Clair wasn't at home when sylar attacked (although what prompted her to leave is another question as Nathan wasn't shot in that timeline) so Sylar never attacked the company and the level five inmates never got out, which meant that Arthur had no one to 'translate' his thoughts into orders, meaning he was left as a vegetable.
Wait that means for scarface the big bad who created the formula wasn't Arthur. Which means that either Mohinder perfected it on his lonesome or the person who releases it to the public was someone else - not Arthur and none of the level five inmates, so that leaves Adam or Angela and as Adam was fairly disapproving of the formula and is dead in the current timeline that wouldn't make for a very interesting story twist - so maybe it was Angela all along and Pinehurst will turn out to be the good guys.
Actually, I don't think Maury is dead. I think it was a staged illusion fake-out to convince Daphne to go along with it. Otherwise, African Isaac's painting of "the four big bad guys you need to stop" was kind of pointless since one of them was most definitely Maury.
While it's a very clever, and indeed very likely idea, I really hope its not the case. This series has already had enough *omg he's dead audience all get upset now... oh wait no he's not we were only kidding LOL* moments.
1. Nathan (who's miraculous recovery still hasn't been explained)
2. Clair when sylar came to call
3. The entire series is kind of based around it with Arthur
4. Matt and Daphne
5. Peter being thrown out a window with no healing facing certain doom then *addbreak*
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6. Ando
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Knew I had forgotten someone. thanks
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Wait that means for scarface the big bad who created the formula wasn't Arthur. Which means that either Mohinder perfected it on his lonesome or the person who releases it to the public was someone else - not Arthur and none of the level five inmates, so that leaves Adam or Angela and as Adam was fairly disapproving of the formula and is dead in the current timeline that wouldn't make for a very interesting story twist - so maybe it was Angela all along and Pinehurst will turn out to be the good guys.
I was pretty sure Scarface's future was not the super-powered one he took Peter to. His future is the one where all the supers are hunted and persecuted because Nathan came out to the public. The one he took Peter to is the one that resulted from him stopping Nathan, allowing the formula to be completed and released to the public so they are more like "oooh gimme" instead of "get away freaks!"
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I think its pretty consistent so far throughout all of the futures that Peter has a scar. There's never been an exact reason given for why it exists, but every time you see a future version of Peter he has it, so its gotta come from somewhere.
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I was pretty sure Scarface's future was not the super-powered one he took Peter to. His future is the one where all the supers are hunted and persecuted because Nathan came out to the public. The one he took Peter to is the one that resulted from him stopping Nathan, allowing the formula to be completed and released to the public so they are more like "oooh gimme" instead of "get away freaks!"
I think that these are somehow the same futures, after all Claire wanted to kill him in both, and Scarface has a pretty good idea of what's going on in the version of the future where every has powers. I'm guessing that Nathan gave his speech about being able to fly and the public got all upset about the freaks, but then when Nathan found out that his ability was synthetic (which he would have sooner or later) he would have gone public with that too which would have caused a pretty immediate change from "No freaks in my town" to "Hey where can I get my hands on this stuff" (probably with a side not of "You can't just play god") The reason Scareface was on the run wasn't that he had powers but that he had been labeled a terrorist because he was trying to do everything he could to stop the world tearing itself in two.
As for Peter's scar, so far we've seen three separate futures, one where the bomb went off, one where peter was one of the first victims of the virus, and one where everyone has abilities. In at least two of those we know he had an identical scar. But due to the fact that any and all incidents after the bomb going off were aborted at the end of series one I doubt they occurred for the same reason, unless you want to believe in a fated event that happens to peter no matter what else happens in the world.
The other explanation is that it is a very handy device used by the writers to ensure that the audience doesn't get confused about which peter is which.
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I think the way the show is set up where there are certain 'event horizons' that are static, no matter what anyone did there was going to be an explosion in New York, and the only in the present (when it happens) can it be changed. I think in this season the 'event horizon' is everyone gets powers and it destroys the world, and the singular moment it happens (the formula gets cracked) is the moment it can be changed.
Diverging futures are irrelevant, they all lead to the same points, the points that get painted by the Isaacs/envisioned Ma Patrelli. All the time travel in the world doesnt stop the events from happening, just change how they happen.
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The other explanation is that it is a very handy device used by the writers to ensure that the audience doesn't get confused about which peter is which.
Well, there is the fact that Future peter wears that leather coat as well as having that scar.
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Are you saying that he got the scar in a knife-fight with a rival biker gang?
I think you must be. I have decided that you are.
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Diverging futures are irrelevant, they all lead to the same points, the points that get painted by the Isaacs/envisioned Ma Patrelli. All the time travel in the world doesnt stop the events from happening, just change how they happen.
While I think you might be right about there being certain event horizons, you have to bear in mind that Ma Patrelli has already mentioned her dreams changing (when future Peter was doing some meddling), while "African Isaac" told Parkman his future had changed painted over one of his previous paintings with the image of Daphne dying in Parkman's arms, so obviously not all of the points that they see are inevitable.
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No but once every 23 episodes (ignore season 2s writers strike). There is an event that has been prophesized up the ass that WILL happen regardless of all the meddling done any of the characters.
And as far as Angela is concerned; I dont believe we ever did find out what part off what future was changed. So for the sake of the argument it becomes heresy, and doesnt prove my idea wrong, not that its bullet proof.
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It's not on tonight. :cry:
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why not?
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NBC is running election related programming, as the US Presidential Election is tomorrow.
Also of note, two of the writers/co-executive producers, Jeph Loeb and Jesse Alexander have been shitcanned (http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18664) from the staff. There's no real clear reason why, but the general guess is that the buck stopped on them as far as the ratings decline. This concerns me for a couple reasons:
One is that Jeph Loeb was one of the biggest brains behind this show (Despite most of his comic book output being shit lately, he was one of the big brainchildren here).
Second, major shakeup like this is usually a desperate effort to fix a show before canceling it, which worries me.
Third, rumor has it a big part of it was the budget getting excessive. They've apparently been hitting around $4.4 million per episode and the idea of them cutting back on a show like this is not good. Heroes has never been a particularly deep show and if you start cutting the effects budget, you're basically going to doom it.
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If they do cancel it we can pretend they only filmed season one and it'll be perfect, like The Matrix.
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Actually if they cancel it I'm just going to pretend that "Company Man" was the only episode of the show, ever.
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Perhaps we could/should prepare for change in creative direction:
http://www.avclub.com/content/newswire/heroes_sheds_some_writers
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It's been covered. Like, only three posts above yours.
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Yessss, an excuse to use this:
(http://91.121.132.199/gifs/11360.gif)
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I think a change in direction would probably be a good thing, lately (especially with the whole Patrelli family dramas taking center stage) It's getting a tad too melodramatic to the point that in moments of confusion I'm starting to think that I might be watching Passions.
Actually if they cancel it I'm just going to pretend that "Company Man" was the only episode of the show, ever.
If they do cancel it we can pretend they only filmed season one and it'll be perfect, like The Matrix.
If you guys honestly believe this when you're only half way through a season it begs the question: Why are you still watching?
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Fuuuck youuuuu.
I'm enjoying season 3, actually, but it's gonna have to be really good to meet my expectations.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I've loved every episode of S3 so far EXCEPT the latest one.
It's just that if a cancellation causes all the plots to remain unresolved, I will honestly only ever watch a few episodes from S1.
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Well fuck, for a show with a long overreaching story arc. Shitcanning the man halfway though seems... imprudent at best. I hope whatever happens Heroes ends ok. After all, even Lost got back on track (so I keep hearing, I havent watched since halfway through Season 2). Then again, I just hope these shows last until Battlestar Galactica resumes. Then I have what 10 weeks of respite and a movie to look forward to. After that I guess Ill cross that bridge when I get there.
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The decision to let them go was not made until the finale to the third volume was written in its entirety. They'll have a clean break midseason where 'Villains' will end leading into Volume four, which is known as 'Fugitives.'
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I hope that 4 isn't going to be as obvious as the title suggests.
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From what I understand, Jeph Loeb is a completely fucking horrible comic book hack, so letting him go is probably a good idea.
As long as it doesn't get cancelled, I have tentative high hopes for Fugitives.
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Loeb is...an odd one. He has absolutely zero middle road. He will either knock it completely out of the park (The Long Halloween, Daredevil: Yellow) or submit a complete and utter pile of shit (Hulk, Ultimates 3). It really depends upon who he's working with it seems. Pretty much everything he's worked on with Tim Sale involved has been gold, though.
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I heard that there's a dialogue in one of Loeb's comics that goes:
Ultron, to Wasp: I consider you my mother.
Yellowjacket: Well then I guess that makes me the MOTHERFUCKER!
*facepalm*
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I just LOLed, out loud, at a coffee shop.
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Give me five minutes...
ETA:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/0bsessions/Random%20Forum%20Junk/Ultimates-023-024.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/0bsessions/Random%20Forum%20Junk/Ultimates-025.jpg)
These are from the aforementioned utter pile of shit Ultimates 3.
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Snap, just under five minutes. I am good.
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wow that is awful
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Are all comic book layouts that damn confusing these days, or is that just another reason for that one's shittyness?
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No, somewhat.
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The layout of that one is just abysmal. Most comics still tend to follow the left to right, top to bottom method with a splash page here and there.
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Wait wait. Remind me again why they hired him in the first place.
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Clever episode, I liked the way they worked stuff from the first season into the episode, made it feel more authentic.
But it begs the question - what exactly did hiro learn from his spirit walk? Flint and Meridith are siblings and sylar once had a soft spot for Elle at some point in the past? apart from that and the fact that Flint is a bit of a simpleton there doesn't appear to be that much that will actually be useful in present day.
The fact that Arthur already had the mind reading/altering power changes a few things, I suppose it means that in Scarface Peter's timeline even with Morrie locked up on level 5 it might have been possible for Arthur to get Adam's/Clair's power which counters the argument I made last time for it not being him who brought powers to the people.
One thing that doesn't make much sense is why sylar decided to kill himself then? I mean this is after he worked with Mohinder's father - finding the location of an unknown number of supers and presumably killing them - then killing Mohinder's father - so why would his first kill come back to haunt him then.
With Arthur going around amongst our heroes and depowering all the major arse kickers it would seem that we are heading toward sylar being the only hope for Teem Good and I'm guessing that Arthu'rs power also is able to give away his own powers not just take other peoples, so therefor if sylar kills him and does his thing he'll be able to return all the powers to their rightful owners thus restoring the status quo - I suppose if this were to happen it would also be a possible way for the "the virus wiped sylar clean" excuse to be true, and for sylar to have future painting and nuclear like he did in the future.
Oh and for anyone keeping score on the number of level 5 inmates still at large 2 more were recaptured in the latest comic. Which means that with the death of The German, the guy peter was possessing, the black hole guy, Morrie, and the recapture of the puppet master, that leaves 5 of the 12 original escapees still free (Flint, Nox, Noise the postal worker from the webisodes and two as yet unknown.)
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I thought it was a good episode, it was awesome to see Eric Roberts in action again, but there was definitely too much noise and not enough signal. Basically the only worthwhile info it gave Hiro is that Arthur is alive, which he proceeded to find out 2 minutes after waking up anyhow.
It's good to have definitive proof that Peter has always had Linderman's power, though, which explains how he brought Nathan back to life (though it's a safe bet he never figured out he had that power and only used it unconciously). Also, Elle was just great, she's definitely a far more sympathetic character than Claire, who I have grown to hate. Hayden's acting seems to have gotten worse with every season, it's just so awful to watch now.
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I think you're both looking too much into the dreamwalk. Even aside from finding out about Arthur, even seeing him right after would've accounted for jack all had he not been on the spirit walk. If not for the entire sequence, Arthur would've just been "Bad guy who knocked off African Isaac's head" rather than having any legitimate background on him. It's basically just an excuse for a flashback episode, which often results in some of the best this show has to offer, with this episode being no exception, in my opinion.
I don't think Sylar was just suddenly starting to regret his first kill. He clearly mentions a couple times that he's done some bad things, never isolating it to one instance. He's likely just focusing on the first one as that's where his spiral really began. My only real complaints about his scenes were the fact he's encountered Elle repeatedly yet never makes any mention of having met her before and he never exhibited Trevor's powers. I think we would've been better off if Trevor had cryokinesis (As it was never made clear where that power popped up). It also would've made for a nice bookend were Angela to confront Sylar in the past with the Haitian in tow, wiping out his encounter with the company.
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My only real complaints about his scenes were the fact he's encountered Elle repeatedly yet never makes any mention of having met her before
When he encounters her in episode 2 of this season he says something like "You're as responsible for me as anyone... maybe moreso."
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Really? I must've missed that.
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...he never exhibited Trevor's powers. I think we would've been better off if Trevor had cryokinesis (As it was never made clear where that power popped up).
I had assumed he had taken it from Molly's father in season 1, since he was frozen and had his skull/brain removed. Actually, no. IIRC the whole scene was that the father was frozen solid while eating breakfast, which would imply Sylar freezing before removing the brain.
Shit. Where did he get cryokinesis from, possibly from one of the names off his list? And what powers did Molly's father have.
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I always assume Molly's father didn't actually have a power sylar just went in there assuming it was him with the power cut off the guys head only to realise it wasn't him but his daughter.
I'll agree that the flashback episodes do tend to be good episodes, even if they are a little cheesy and often filled with poetic coincidence - c'mon Clair running into a fire that just happened to be started by her mother?
One thing that occurred to me was the timeline seems a little off, as I'm pretty sure most of the stuff that happened to sylar and Nathan/Peter was set six months before the show began (yet they were calling it "One year ago") but by cameoing Mohinder and Clair they also set it within the first few episodes of the series.
Oh and if it turns out that Elle's power fuckup is due to unrequited love for Sylar I think I may barf.
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Damn, I liked African Isaac. (Partly because Hiro called him African Isaac.)
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Also, Flint is hilariously dumb.
AH'MA BE'UN AY-GENT, SIS!
The fanservice reference to "an invisible man tackled me in the alley" is WAY off the timeline, since Claude had been away from the Company presumably for roughly 16 years, since they thought he "died" in Company Man. Unless they have another Invisible Man, or Claude will return and they were secretly using him to get to Peter, which would be really stretching the retconning.
The timeline for this episode, though, wasn't all "one year ago", it started with "one and a half years ago" didn't it?
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Eighteen months, to be precise, but yes.
Claude's abrupt departure IS a continuity error. It wasn't sixteen years ago, though. It was approximately seven years before Company Man took place, which would peg it in the neighborhood of eight years ago.
Note, however, that they never explicitly named the agent in question, and it's just as easy to assume it was another unnamed agent, there's allegedly multiple unnamed ones and West and Adam have long since established that multiple characters have the same powers. According to the online comics, Claude is presently in London, where he encountered Claire in between her firing from Primatech and her breaking into the Bennett house.
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Arthur's really starting to annoy the hell out of me, though. Right after Hiro finished dreaming, BOOM. That's just too cruel.
And he had to freaking kill the African Isaac! I'm getting worried. Arthur's getting way too strong.
...wait, we still have the Hatian! He may do something.
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Continuity error! The way that Mohinder was included in this episode didn't even make sense. Didn't he come to the US after his father was killed by Sylar (who is not even evil yet in this episode)? Funny. Sci-Fi nerds pay attention to this junk, Heroes writers.
I haven't seen such a steep and spectacular TV flameout since Twin Peaks.
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Nah, Sylar's suicide attempt was clearly after he killed Papa Suresh. No timeline error there.
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Yeah, he had all of Chandra's research stuff all over his apartment. There weren't any major flubs that can't be easily explained away, off the top of my head.
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Really loving this season... flashback delivered, as always :) I've been getting tired of Peter, Claire and Hiro, so it's nice to have eps where they aren't too prominent (also nice to see a return to the old Peter, who was a cool and engaging character). It's cool that they're exploring Sylar's character from so many different angles, too :)
Out of curiosity... if Peter were to get slashed across the face without having a healing power, would the scar be removed when he regains his power???
EDIT: Wow, Bennett was a real sod :o
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EDIT: Wow, Bennett was is a real sod :o
Fixed. I used to have a soft spot for his character, but I swear to God this season they've been douching him up and turning him into such an asshole, "ends justify the means NO MATTER WHAT" type of character. True, this may not be that big of a change, but it usually wasn't this bad. I also find it interesting that he seems to believe that once you've killed someone, your soul is absolutely irredeemable. Sylar, well okay it'd be hard to forgive Sylar, but forcing the guy who created wormholes to kill someone else just because he did it once before by accident, and immediately coming to the conclusion that "Well he's done it before, of course I won't have any trouble getting him to do it again." And now that we've seen what he did to Sylar, well, that seems downright evil. In no way was it helping to protect Claire, it was blindly following orders and enjoying it. Douchebag.
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I ran across some pictures of filming for Fugitives and well... holy crap. See for yourself especially if you are a Sylar fan: (they're not really spoiler-iffic in my opinion):
http://www.heroes-france.com/news_1226510049.htm
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Man, what the fuck is going on there
Also
Zachary Quinto,
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OMG, I love Zachary Quinto. I may have said this before, but I always knew he was misunderstood!
And because I don't have enough to do in my life... I've just started watching the first series again. I watched it in a bit of a rush last time so there's bits of it I'd forgotten and now it's brilliant to see how things are all fitting in, especially after that flashback episode. I wish I had it on DVD, but I have found a brilliant website that has all of them with good quality, it's stopping me getting enough sleep though...
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Man, what the fuck is going on there
Clearly Sylar has absorbed Jack Bauer's abilities.
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“The Sylar-Elle-HRG storyline from ‘Villains,’ the last scene of that particular arc, where HRG got into the Mohinder-driven cab and it went into the scene from ‘Genesis.’ According to the timeline you established in ‘Six Months Ago,’ Mohinder didn't show up until after his father was killed by Sylar, right before he went off on his cross-country collection campaign. At that point, Sylar, according to all indications, was already a mass-murderer and that's why Chandra stopped helping him. Yet the aforementioned scene seemingly takes place the same day Sylar kills Trevor Zeitlan, long after he should have been gone from NY or months before Mohinder arrived in town. And it was pretty clear his guilt was just over Brian Davis.”
We can tell you that when we broke the story – that scene between Elle and H.R.G. – was supposed to be at a Sylar-esque crime scene months or weeks after the entire story took place – and they were talking about the monster they’ve unleashed. Sometimes, things happen from script through production and editorial where ideas become too clever and through-lines aren’t tracked. Just so you know – it infuriated us as well.
Vardel pointed out an interesting theory they’d read online; that because it was a vision quest, the events Hiro saw may have merged and appeared out of order. Did someone get a Heroes no-prize?
Vardel, expect your no-prize in the mail. Marvel used to send a blank envelope. To be extra sneaky, we’re going to make ours look exactly like your phone bill. Exactly. But to avoid confusion, we’re going to take your real phone bill and destroy it.
For the uninitiated, a No-Prize is an idea Marvel Comics came up with back in the sixties. Basically, it was a made up "prize" that didn't actually exist, which they would award to folks who spotted continuity errors and presented plausible solutions to them. So, basically, the explanations for the vast amount of continuity errors in last week's episode are:
Real life: That's not how it was written and, yeah, the writers were pretty pissed off about it.
Canonically: Since it was a spirit vision, as opposed to a legitimate flashback, we can assume Hiro wasn't seeing things exactly as they happened, but vaguely jumbled.
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Currently too tired to form an opinion on It's Coming - but when did Nathan find out it was Future Peter who shot him?
and c'mon Issac has been dead for over a year can we stop falling back on his paintings easy solutions and anyway that issue of ninth wonders doesn't even fit in the cannon it is stated clearly that the last book of ninth wonders Issac ever drew was the unfinshed one where Hiro stabbed Sylar, and mohinder said in 5 years gone that everything he ever painted came true (with the exception in that timeline of Hiro stabbing Sylar) and in that timeline it's pretty obvious that Arthur never woke up.
Apart from that and again the ridiculous number of times the title of the eppisode was crowbarred in I thought it was pretty good especially ten year old hero learning to control his powers.
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Episode was a big "meh" for me. Hiro reverting to age 10 is filler, pure and simple. Hayden continues her arc toward the inevitable "worst actress ever/eventually "accidentally" releases sex tape to regain spotlight" paradigm. Arthur still doesn't make a damn bit of sense and Roberts is still phoning it in.
On the plus side, the Matt mind-fighting was good, except the out-of-nowhere Daphne being in love with him thing - I mean, they've known each other all of a couple days?
And, god help me, I enjoyed the Sylar/Elle angle. Maybe it's just because they're both hot.
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Currently too tired to form an opinion on It's Coming - but when did Nathan find out it was Future Peter who shot him?
Way back. As I recall, Future Peter approached Nathan in the church and confessed to him.
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Episode was a big "meh" for me. Hiro reverting to age 10 is filler, pure and simple. Hayden continues her arc toward the inevitable "worst actress ever/eventually "accidentally" releases sex tape to regain spotlight" paradigm. Arthur still doesn't make a damn bit of sense and Roberts is still phoning it in.
On the plus side, the Matt mind-fighting was good, except the out-of-nowhere Daphne being in love with him thing - I mean, they've known each other all of a couple days?
And, god help me, I enjoyed the Sylar/Elle angle. Maybe it's just because they're both hot.
Ugh Claire and Peter in the same scene is nigh unwatchable now.
As for the Sylar/Elle angle....I liked it as well, but mostly because Quinto is one of the best actors on the show and Elle isn't incredibly bad like some of the actors.
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Tim Kring reveals his true colors... the colors of a penis (http://www.avclub.com/content/newswire/according_to_tim_kring_the).
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what a moron
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Yeah, it's one of those things... Like, he laments how new tech, DVRs specifically, but also DVDs, for making it harder for serialized shows to work. That's... Jesus, that's stupid. DVDs especially. I wonder what made The Sopranos, a rich show that had exceptionally long story arcs, so successful and acclaimed? Hmmm.... Oh right, DVDs (http://www.slate.com/id/2139457/). Advancing technology made following a novelistic, long-form story on TV less of a heroic (pun!) task than it would have been otherwise. The first commenter in that AV Club article makes a good point - Heroes is a comic book show, and how many comic readers do you know buy every issue as it comes out? Compare that with how many wait for the trade paperback. If there's a problem, it's not the format.
But then, Tim Kring doesn't read comic books, so it's understandable.
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Like, he laments new tech, DVRs specifically, but also DVDs, for making it harder for serialized shows to work.
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
I mean, really, it used to be that OVAs were the only serialized programs I ever watched, and that was precisely because you could only really aquire them on DVD or VHS in the first place. You couldn't help but watch such things at your own pace.
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I dunno. The dude who wrote the article reeks of troll and it looked more to me like Kring was saying that the problem DVR is causing is with the ratings, not the quality of the show itself. Not once in that statement does he say anything about the quality. And yes, it's widely accepted that DVR does affect ratings in a negative light, especially on serialized series.
It looks to me like a bitchy journalist took something way the fuck wrong and now a couple of you are falling for the "let's pile on the producer" bandwagon that so often follows when one idiot misinterprets an interview.
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I thought it was established long ago that Tim Kring is something of an ass?
And having read the AV Club for a number of years, I can tell you that they only really turned on Heroes this season, mostly because of bad characterization (specifically, letting the story influencing the actions of the characters instead of the actions of the characters influencing the story) It's a tough love thing. I mentioned Twin Peaks before, and it's kind of the same deal - strong first season followed by progressively diminishing returns. People really like the first season of Heroes. I remember the first season finale, getting online and seeing how anticlimactic everyone thought it was. It didn't get any better after that. The Time blog is a different story, he's saying "fuck this show", which is his right, but the actual significant response is the AV Club's.
The thrust of Kring's statement is this -
"[Serialized storytelling] is a very flawed way of telling stories on network television right now, because of the advent of the DVR and online streaming."
Which isn't saying that it's harder to make a TV show in general because of those things - it is, definitely, because Nielsen can't track alternative means of viewing and advertising is a thornier issue with them (issues that the article addresses, actually). Kring is saying that The service that DVRs and online services provide, which is the ability to watch any show at any time, have specifically harmed shows with serial elements, which is an incredibly dissonant notion. If anything, DVRs have made serialized shows more viable than they were before. J J Abrams made his name through DVRs with Lost, and the tiny little details in that show that you could only sniff out with the pause function provided by a DVR, along with ARGs online, built the buzz that gave it its formidable cult (he's doing it once again with Fringe, which is constantly referencing past episodes, encouraging DVR hunts)
Kring is seeing the forest for the trees here. Yes, DVRs have lowered ratings all over television. But he seems to have this idea that the muddy storytelling he specializes in would be just as viable if that tech didn't exist, which is hard to imagine. If you're going to make dedicated viewership a requirement for your show you'd think you wouldn't want to have it such that if you miss a showing time, there isn't a way to catch up (aside from having the episode's events told to you, and fuck that) There's never been a better time to institute a season-long story arc in your show.
It's pretty obvious that I've given up on this show myself, and I might as well explain that. I lost interest when Sylar became "good". The stretch was too great for me, and it reminded me of the cartoons I used to watch as a kid, when I thought it was so badass when the hero and the villain teamed up to fight a greater villain. Part of my inner child still finds that appealing, but now that I'm 22, if you're going to have a psycho serial killer, I'm not going to accept that essentially what it takes to make that guy a troubled hero is the revelation that... he... has a real mother, with a super birth canal? And this makes him reconsider his life of murder and power theft? Really he just solemnly says "I'm trying to be good" and furrows his brow and that's his character development. I knew at that point that there were no real rules for how these characters could act. A lot of fiction writers run into problems when they put their characters in situations that they have trouble writing out, because "the character wouldn't do that". The writers of this show don't seem to meet any such resistance. More to the point it was the Hannibal effect. Sylar, a mysterious, badass character, gets explained away with pop psychology, and he finds out that all he really needs to give up his psychopathy is the knowledge that somebody wuvs him.
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Kring is seeing the forest for the trees here. Yes, DVRs have lowered ratings all over television. But he seems to have this idea that the muddy storytelling he specializes in would be just as viable if that tech didn't exist, which is hard to imagine. If you're going to make dedicated viewership a requirement for your show you'd think you wouldn't want to have it such that if you miss a showing time, there isn't a way to catch up (aside from having the episode's events told to you, and fuck that) There's never been a better time to institute a season-long story arc in your show.
From a business standpoint, you're completely mistaken, John.
In terms of the viewer, yes, DVR is much better because you don't want to miss an episode of serialized storytelling and that's the point. Before DVR, you either watched a shitty VHS or you made sure your ass was on the couch when a show you love is on. The networks are in a terrible position on this matter, which is why some of the biggest shows, like Law and Order and CSI, are by and large a done in one affair. With serialized TV, someone's more likely to set their Tivo just in case they can't get around to watching. DVRing a show basically kills the advertising dollars. The aforementioned Sopranos comparison is completely moot because that's a cable TV show and gets is money through DVD sales and channel subscription, not advertising.
Shit, this is why the entire fucking strike happened. Writers were upset that they weren't getting proper residuals from the DVD and online viewing, which was seriously cutting into profits.
Suffice to say, whether or not you think he'[s an ass: Kring is right.
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Dunno, I imagine Lost has considerable DVD sales. Possibly such that if the DVDs weren't on the market Lost wouldn't have lasted as long as it has.
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Eh, yeah, I don't think it's really a purely black and white issue after actually checking out the statements myself. DVRs are useful from a pure storytelling POV, but they are indeed a big part of why the business model needs a real overhaul.
Anyway, I often find myself alone in many of my opinions on these issues, since I'm one of the people who believes the Writer's Strike was a bad idea (and a poorly handled one at that) and that pushing the issue during a time of transition just gave the networks a fair bit of leverage. A shit ton of money was lost, people were out of work, and I don't think they cut a long enough deal for it to all have been worthwhile.
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Dunno, I imagine Lost has considerable DVD sales. Possibly such that if the DVDs weren't on the market Lost wouldn't have lasted as long as it has.
Lost is a completely different beast in that it has always had a specific beginning, middle and end plotted out. The show was actually catching a lot of shit for meandering before they actually set an end date in stone. It's practically written with DVD in mind and they probably wouldn't get nearly as much leeway were the show expected to maintain a serialized story with no end in sight like Heroes.
I also don't doubt that that has cut significantly into ratings.
And I'd be right. Typing that made me curious, and look here: Lost TV ratings down the hatch (http://www.lostreview.com/2006/10/lost-tv-ratings-down-hatch.cfm).
Shit, this opinion article actually drives my point home:
If I didn’t have the wonderful invention they call a DVR, I may have gone bonkers over all the commercials.
Look around network television. Serialized television is dying a slow death. It's honestly been dying out since the advent of affordable VCRs, but DVRs have really hit the gas on it. While we have some great storytelling in shows like Lost, it's not a long term sustainable format in today's network TV market where ratings are needed to keep shows afloat, but people are DVRing everything and killing the value of advertising dollars. As budgets rise and advertising dollars plummet, we're going to see things drastically change in the future.
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Im with Obsession on this one entirely. You guys are viewing it strictly from a consumer (and in the case of DVRs not even that, you dont get a vote) point of view. If a show cant make money while its on air, its going to have to come out of production values or get canceled outright. Someones got to pay for the shows upfront, and those someones are the advertisers and the networks, who operate a business as a business, and it's not good business to take unnecessary risks on the hope of DVD sales.
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The bizarre thing is that TV networks actually give a crap about Nielsen ratings. In my experience they're not a great indicator of how many people love your show, especially with Hulu. If I were a network, I'd aim squarely at the Hulu audience with the knowledge that a serialized show that someone watched on there would likely buy the DVDs if they liked it. I know that's what I do, and I'm in the target demo that they consider most important (18-35 year olds with disposable income).
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The problem with that is that Nielsen ratings are the only proper way to actually gauge advertising value. Hulu is essentially worthless to advertising because you don't actually have to sit and pay attention to make sure you catch it when it's back on. When I'm watching on Hulu, I just check shit online during the thirty second breaks and then click back after about a minute.
The networks are kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place on this.
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But on the rare occasions I sit down and watch a show, I tune out the commercials too - I go get a drink, go to the bathroom, read a few pages of a book, whatever. I think there are a lot of archaic myths about advertising, and as a model for getting shows made it seems like it's less and less relevant. At least with Hulu, even if you open a new tab or whatever, most people are still at least HEARING the commercial, and it's too short to use as a drink/snack/bathroom break.
I think the most important thing is for fans to vote with their dollars; don't torrent a season of a show, buy it. Otherwise there won't BE any more shows except on cable.
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So you are saying every level of business from production companies to advertisers, to networks should very suddenly reverse the way they do business and rely extremely heavily on DVD sales (which have always existed) and not rely on the standard methods of funding that have existed since the dawn of television.
Not going to happen. Businesses dont stay successful by radically changing their business model. And trust me, upstart tech era companies like Google or Hulu or whatever, arent going to be able to fund these shows for you, its going to be the advertisers and networks. From what you are saying, that every level of show making should embrace this new (old) venue for funding, is the only way TV will surver. For that to happen there would have to be a transitional period, and do you want to sit through 10 years of shit low budget TV while they figure there sit out. Because thats what will have to happen, corporations (the money guys) move and change slowly. And since DVD sales have been around for a while, this isnt new funding for shows, this is just forcing a small slice of the pie to coverer the larger portion on fundmaking
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The other thing is that well, frankly, I don't see myself ever really paying meaningful amounts of money for television programs. I realize I'm at the extreme end of the market, but I cannot help but suspect that there's a large portion of casual viewers out there who just kind of tune into whatever's on once in a while to see kill some time and see what's out there. For example, I really liked the episodes of Always Sunny in Philadelphia that I've seen, but I regularly go months without watching the show and will likely never purchase an episode. I cannot help but suspect that there's many people out there who feel that way about a wide variety of programs. Advertisers are a great source of income because they don't give two shits about whether someone is a diehard and buys dvds or not. Advertisers only care about whether a decent number of people might be paying attention to the TV at any one given moment in time.
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The truth!
And dont underestimate your position in the market, there are alot of you people out there.
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So you are saying every level of business from production companies to advertisers, to networks should very suddenly reverse the way they do business
Er, no, my post didn't say that at all. :?
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Current primary sources of funding TV Shows:
Money from:
Producers \
Networks > TV show
Advertisers /
Your prospective way of funding TV Shows:
TV Show < Residual DVD money
Seems pretty backwards to me. Not to mention its pretty hard to spend future bux when you need actual money up front to pay for the creation of TV shows (marketing, actors, crew, sets etc).
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Hollywood originally got almost all of it's money from U.S. cinemas. Today a film probably won't break even at the U.S. box office, it'll get most of it's money from foreign box offices, DVD sales, and other markets. Then the studio takes the money it earns from that and invests it in a new blockbuster.
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Not to mention its pretty hard to spend future bux when you need actual money up front to pay for the creation of TV shows (marketing, actors, crew, sets etc).
Surely the same pretty much applies to advertising, though? I may be wrong, but surely unless they're dealing with a TV show that's massive and pretty much guaranteed to pull in viewers (so, perhaps Heroes Seasons 2 and 3 might be different), advertisers are unlikely to pay for advertising before the show enters production. Networks/production companies must be funding shows currently in production with the money made from previous success, whether that be from advertising or DVD sales. That is kind of how a lot of businesses work, by reinvesting profit into new projects.
I am sceptical that DVD sales could ever replace the amount of money made from advertising, but much like the music industry, it looks like TV is going to have to adapt to the internet. I don't know what American networks are like, but in the UK big strides have been made to accommodate for it, with the two biggest hitters providing excellent online services: BBC iPlayer (perhaps less relevant to the argument as they're not funded by advertising anyway), and 4 On Demand, who are funded by adverts. Interestingly, 4oD not only offers recently broadcast episodes for free online, but also back catalogues of many of its most popular shows, which presumably cuts into their DVD sales in favour of showing people adverts during the episodes online.
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Keep in mind that advertisers might be willing to pay for advertising based on the timeslot itself more than whatever show fills it. If Heroes was on at 1 in the morning you'd see less credit card / car insurance / whatever commercials, and you'd see more commercials for local businesses, or phone sex operators.
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Sure, but my point is that the advertising for that particular slot is unlikely to be arranged far enough in advance for it to actually fund the production of the episodes it will accompany, so the production companies will be using money made from previous endeavours to finance new ones, which applies to both advertising and DVDs.
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TV Show < Residual DVD money
OK dude I never said that. I said that people who like shows should buy the DVDs instead of torrenting them so that the studios will make up some of the money they might be losing because of poor Nielsen ratings.
I neither stated nor even really implied that DVD sales would suddenly magically replace the ratings system, just that it's about time networks begin the process of re-evaluating what constitutes a "successful" show, and how to make one.
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last night i found a bar that watches Heroes every week. And i don't just mean they have it playing on a tv. they shut off all the music, put every single tv on the same channel, and tell people to shut up if they talk too loud during the show.
so stoked right now.
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See, last week's episode pissed me off. Goddamnit.
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Tonight's episode confused the Hell out of me.
Spoilers ahead
After Hiro got the Light, where the hell did Papa Petrelli come from? How was he magically there 16 years ago, right on the rooftop? Are we to assume it had something to do with a different time traveler helping him go back? Was he an immortal who just happened to have been alive 16 years ago? Or am I missing something specifically?
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An immortal?
Dude, don't know how to break this to you, but I was alive sixteen years ago too. I am also reasonably sure I do not have superpowers. By the look of him, Arthur may, in fact, have been alive to the tune of sixty to seventy years ago!
Anyways, it seems to be pretty clearly established that Arthur picked up a teleportation power years ago and, running the Company, probably had access to a precog or two back then. It'll probably be explained next week.
I was more interested in the absolutely badass manner of dispatching him. It was just fantastic. I seem to be alone on this, but Sylar's hero storyarc never sat right with me. I like his morally gray, self serving attitude. Plus, he delivered probably the best line of the season in "You're not a killer, Peter...I am."
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"You're not a killer, Peter...I am." *splat*
there.
yeah, last night's episode was pretty sweet. except when Claire was holding herself in baby format i was quietly shouting "no, don't touch yourself! time paradox! TIME PARADOOOOOXXXX!!!!!!!"
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NBC should've marketed the episode as thus:
"Tonight, the Heroes moment you've all been waiting for. Claire Bennett's will expose her bare chest and touch herself. Only on NBC."
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yeah, last night's episode was pretty sweet. except when Claire was holding herself in baby format i was quietly shouting "no, don't touch yourself! time paradox! TIME PARADOOOOOXXXX!!!!!!!"
I was waiting for Christopher Eccleston to burst in and be really really mad with Claire.
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The bad-guys' evil masterplan for taking over the world is "intelligent design".
I love it.
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After Hiro got the Light, where the hell did Papa Petrelli come from? How was he magically there 16 years ago, right on the rooftop? Are we to assume it had something to do with a different time traveler helping him go back? Was he an immortal who just happened to have been alive 16 years ago? Or am I missing something specifically?
Keep in mind he stole Hiro's powers. Which he likely used against him.
Also I think the idea behind that is Papa Patrelli is trying to remake the world in his own image, thus making him god.
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Just when you think they made Sylar an actual character it's yet another arbitrary change in alignment!
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Yeah, because metaphorically ripping his balls off made him more interesting.
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Don't you worry, pussy Sylar will make his glorious return next week!
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After Hiro got the Light, where the hell did Papa Petrelli come from? How was he magically there 16 years ago, right on the rooftop? Are we to assume it had something to do with a different time traveler helping him go back? Was he an immortal who just happened to have been alive 16 years ago? Or am I missing something specifically?
Keep in mind he stole Hiro's powers. Which he likely used against him.
Also I think the idea behind that is Papa Patrelli is trying to remake the world in his own image, thus making him god.
He didnt steal Hiro's powers until this past episode. In Africa all he did was wipe his mind. The Arthur we saw there was either Arthur from 16 years ago or present day Arthur travelling back in time. I think its the latter. Everyone seems to forget that Arthur stole Peter's abilities and that Peter had the power to time travel like Hiro.
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D'oh. Well, the obvious has managed to elude all of us. Good point, Flux.
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That episode pretty well redeemed the fact that the past several have been shaky.
If Arthur's death is another fake-out, though, just... fuck that.
It looks like this volume will conclude with Peter and friends vs. Nathan and Private Hulk. Which I am fine with.
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Personally, I would've gone with Lieutenant America.
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Also, there is apparently in next episode a fight between Hiro, wielding a loaf of bread, and his father, wielding a katana.
AWESOME.
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He didnt steal Hiro's powers until this past episode. In Africa all he did was wipe his mind. The Arthur we saw there was either Arthur from 16 years ago or present day Arthur travelling back in time. I think its the latter. Everyone seems to forget that Arthur stole Peter's abilities and that Peter had the power to time travel like Hiro.
No but the fact that he can steal a time travelers abilities creates the notion that he can create any time paradox he wants. Say he takes Hiro's abilities in early 2009 (after all he is present day age when he takes Hiro's powers in '92) then he can use his powers to go back in time to 1992 when Hiro is about to fuck up his plans royal and steal his powers. Thus giving him 16 more years of time travel ability and saving his master plan.
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For some reason I'm betting its another fake-out. I mean, An Arthur Petrelli with time control powers wouldn't be stupid enough to be shot in the head by his own son, head on, I don't care if the Hatian was there. I think I hate this show now. What the fuck.
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"So do the proud men die: crucified, not on a cross of gold, but a stake of humble tin."
It's a very poignant quote. Often, those in positions of great power are brought down due to no more than their own overconfidence. Nixon and Al Capone are real life examples powerful men who were brought down more out of their own hubris rather than any brilliant fight. If this is indeed how Arthur dies, it's not at all unrealistic and quite appropriate. They don't all go out in a blaze of glory.
The quote above? It's from Gerry Conway, a comic book writer. It's the caption from the Green Goblin's death. The Goblin had just killed Spider-Man's girlfriend and, instead of being killed in a glorious battle to the death with Spider-Man, he accidentally impaled himself on his own glider while trying to kill Spider-Man.
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Tin is obviously too heavy to fly, that quote is total BS
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Dude, don't know how to break this to you, but I was alive sixteen years ago too.
Rofl.
Okay, what I said didn't come out quite how I meant it.
I meant he looked like he hadn't aged at all. It looked like he was the present day version of himself. Usually if someone almost 20 years ago looks like a mirror image of themselves today, on a TV show like this, some kind of voodoo is involved.
[edit: Read Flux' post, now it all makes sense. Thanks!]
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Also I dont think Sylar, Peter or Arthur gain the abilities from each other beyond the base, absorbing abilities ability. As in, all Arthur stole from Peter was the ability to steal abilities from a certain proximity, as opposed to the catalog of abilities Peter already absorbed.
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Nah, he got Elle's power through Peter, after all!
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Even if Arthur did just get Peter's power to absorb others powers then he could have absorbed Hiro's time travel power when he wiped his memory without it affecting Hiro's powers at all.
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see, that's why I hate these fucking characters that can absorb powers, because it all gets so complicated and convoluted and all this bullshit that none of it makes any sense whatsoever after a while. Fuck you Heroes, I'm watching Boston Legal.
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Isn't Boston legal canceled?
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PS: Rebel is totally Micah Sanders
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Isn't Boston legal canceled?
Yes, but I saw reruns on I forget what channel.
I was thinking Micah might be Rebel, but I'm not sure. They kind of wrote him out. Also, I'm confused, is Daphne still alive or not?
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Daphne is still alive. Matt and Peter found this out i think in the episode two weeks ago.
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News flash: I finnally like Sylar.
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PS: Rebel is totally Micah Sanders
holy shit I hadn't thought of that, does seem weird though that he's been out so long, and he's probably grown a lot in the amount of time he's been gone.
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PS: Rebel is totally Micah Sanders
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT!
Hana Gitelman anybody?
Call it. Micah, while having great skill with computers, is still a twelve year old. A twelve year old, no matter how good with computers, is not capable of the kind of shit Rebel is doing. It's either Hana Gitelman, in a new body (Per the allegedly in continuity webcomic, she was technically killed, but her powers allowed her to live on as kind of an AI thing, rather confusing), or a completely new character with a similar power.
Not to mention, considering the files at the government's disposal, Micah's probably in custody to be honest. The Company had detailed files on him and was well aware of his powers and he isn't exactly someone who could give the government all that much trouble, compared to Hana, a former Israeli agent who technically does not have a body right now. The only drawback to the possibility of her being Rebel is that Katic is starring in Castle, but the different/no body idea would cover that easily, and it wouldn't be the first time the writers have used that in a situation like this (See Candace).
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I find it semi-hard to believe they would pull something out of the web-exclusive stuff for this, since a lot of people (like me) haven't read the majority of it.
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I am relatively sure they've done it before. All it really requires is a slight summary. Really, it could be summed up in under a minute.
The idea of Micah makes absolutely no logical sense outside of his power, though. It's got to be either Gitelman or a brand new character.
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Micah was incredibly intelligent for his age though.
Also, a friend of me just pointed out that Nathan was putting a lot of emphasis on the word 'hope' right after hope was flashed on the computer screen. So if he's in custody, which would make sense, Nathan might be using him.
I dunno. Layers upon Layers.
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Sorry Jon Hana's dead (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/Heroes_novel_070.pdf)
Also nathan said that they only had one prisioner when the woman was investigating if he should continue to recieve funding. And I really can't see him working both sides from the biggining.
My bet, Mrs Patrelli is working with miccah and maybe molly as well. We know she's working against Nathan it would have been easy for her to destroy any of the primatech files before they were given to the government and she would have chosen allies that nathan wouldn't consider a threat. Consider the combination of powers - Angela dreams that young matt parkman (I'm assuming that he is the child matt's former wife was expecting series 1) will be important, Molly does her thing to find out exactly where he is and Miccah asks a fax machine to send a fax with the relevent details to somewhere hiro will find it.
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That's pretty open ended and not the slightest bit conclusive, especially considering Hana's last words in the comic (Though mis-spelled, it's supposed to be phir milinge) translate to "we'll meet again, Drucker." A quick google search clarifies this.
As ridiculous as her storyline would be if we included the comic continuity and made some claim of her coming back, it would still be at least slightly less ridiculous than the idea of two barely adolescent children managing to outwit an entire government operation for a prolonged period of time.
Rebel is clearly working on their own, autonomous from Nathan and Noah. I'm a good 90% certain that it is NOT Micah. They wrote him out for a clear and obvious reason (The same reason Molly was written out and why Walt was written out of Lost) and I doubt they'll write him back in.
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They wrote him out for a clear and obvious reason (The same reason Molly was written out and why Walt was written out of Lost) and I doubt they'll write him back in.
Because everyone hates tweens? Anyway, Nikki was a way douchier character and they managed to bring her back in some form. Micah was fairly popular and showed a high level of responsibility for his age, why couldnt he be rebel. He was both smart and capable as a little kid, as a youth Id imagine he would be more-so.
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I think the reason that jon is reffering to is that the actors would out age their characters.
But the writers have said that Micah will be coming back this volume.
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Axerton nailed it. Shows like this tend to go through child characters quickly because of how hard it is to explain when they start shooting up like weeds. Lost is an ideal example as one of the central characters from season one has grown a good foot since the show started and his voice has changed dramatically.
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I doubt at this point they'll be introducing another character as Rebel, so working from the perspective that it's probably either Micah or Gitelman, why not both?
It's already been announced that Micah will be back this volume, which will satisfy the average viewer, but the addition of Gitelman solves to me the problems with having Micah alone be Rebel. My official prediction is both of them.
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I don't know if they'd add a purely web-based character though. Have they done it before? I know they've done it the other way around, but I don't remember a web character coming onto the TV show.
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To be fair, Gitelman wasn't purely web based. She first appeared in season 1 working with Ted Sprague to bring down the company, remember? Shit, her season 1 M.O. was practically identical to Rebel's. While I'm fine with Micah coming back, I really feel that having him turn out to be Rebel would be majorly dropping the ball.
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Well, stupid shit has happened before but I still hope that they're truly above that now.
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While I'm still saying that it's probbaly Angela Patrelli with the help of Micah and Molly, I think that Micah alone as reble could be done in such a way to make it at least mostly believeable. Imagine; Micah is sitting at home one day "talking" to his computer and for some reason or other he stumbles across his own name and detalis in the online government files. He then 'asks' for them to be deleated and spends the next few days/weeks (however long the time is between the abductions and when rebel first starts sending messages) studying these government files - remember he wouldn't even have to try to hack through government security, he has been seen using his phone to casually ask traffic lights to change - and then he decides that he's got to do something about it (he's always said they should use their powers to be heroes) from there he hacks into CCTV so that he can have eyes everywhere and from there has started pushing people togeather so that they can fight back.
I mean, what has reble actually done? So far he's sent few inspirational text messages. Told Clair to go save Alex - which would have been the obvious thing to do for anyone who's had a good look at the goverment's files "hmm they're sending someone to pick up a super, and he works quite close to the one person who would be willing to help and has limited imunity"
Apart from that he's hacked the goverment computers to stop the bomb and shut down the power in building 26. None of this would be overly taxing for a child genious who can make computers do what ever he wants.
The only thing that makes me think that it might not be him alone is sending Hiro and Ando to save a baby, that to me smells of someone who has some knowlege of the future, unless of course he actually meant for them to help Matt sr, but the ended up with the wrong one somehow.
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The only thing that makes me think that it might not be him alone is sending Hiro and Ando to save a baby, that to me smells of someone who has some knowlege of the future, unless of course he actually meant for them to help Matt sr, but the ended up with the wrong one somehow.
Relatively sure it as supposed to Matt Parkman Sr and not some baby. I think that baby was probably just coincidentally named Matt Parkman
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But reble gave them directions to find the young matt parkman.
As I said earlier, my guess is that young matt parkman is the main matt parkman's son from his marriage in season 1. As to why a woman would name her child after the man who abandoned her I don't know, but in the season one future episode the kid was definatly call matt jr, with the change of timelines this may no longer be true, but it still might be the same kid.
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Axerton, when exactly is Micah going to have time to this kind of shit? He's an eleven year old. Eleven year olds go to school. There is no logical and believable way for Micah to be doing this on his own. It goes above and beyond suspension of belief into the realm of ridiculous. I'm not saying I'll stop watching the show if it turns out to be true, but it'll definitely have an effect on my enjoyment.
In terms of Matt Parkman, I'd like to think it's obvious that that's mind reader Matt's son. They pretty much telegraphed it. Go way back to season 1's episode "Five Years Later." Matt's son's name? Matt.
In terms of his naming, that's a mutual decision between parents. We have no idea of the circumstances of Matt's divorce or anything. "Abandoned" is a rather strong word considering we don't have any details aside from the fact they divorced. For all we know, Matt divorced her because of her infidelity, perhaps it was called into question whether the child was his or not. Janice may have named him after Matt as a gesture of her certainty that Matt was the father.
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To be fair, Gitelman wasn't purely web based. She first appeared in season 1 working with Ted Sprague to bring down the company, remember? Shit, her season 1 M.O. was practically identical to Rebel's. While I'm fine with Micah coming back, I really feel that having him turn out to be Rebel would be majorly dropping the ball.
I had to look that up and no, I didn't remember her, but I remember missing that episode because I know I missed it when Simone got shot. Really, her power probably is the best choice to go with, but everywhere I looked to find out who she was says she's dead. I don't know if they'll do the whole her being alive through electronics thing or not.
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Axerton, when exactly is Micah going to have time to this kind of shit? He's an eleven year old. Eleven year olds go to school. There is no logical and believable way for Micah to be doing this on his own.
The kid is able to manipulate any from of technology to do what ever he wants - do you really think he couldn't get into the school database and figure out some way to stop questions being asked.
You seem incredibly blinkered by what an eleven year old (though acording to heroes wiki he was born in 1995 making him 13) should and shouldn't be able to do. He is supposed to be, without exageration a child genious, in "Six months ago" he built a new motherboard for his computer, by hand, without his technopathy. While I agree that he probably isn't acting alone, it would not be totally beyond his capabilities to do so.
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Unless you're going to a school run by incompetents, no amount of technopathy and genius is going to make your teacher inexplicably not notice you missing six months of classes.
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Or, y'know, his guardian. I sincerely doubt gramma's going to be cool with him staying home from school to run an anti-government rebellion.
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I bet she'd be less upset with him staying home and rebelling against the government than being snatched up by said government and never being seen again. I mean, they're going to know about him, so he's probably in hiding anyways, kid or not.
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I'm not sure why I'm putting so much faith in the writers of this show, considering how many times they've let me down with ill thought out plot work.
However I'm guessing that whoever rebel is, there will be an episode in the not too distant future, dedicated to him/her and how they've been doing all their stuff. if this happens then I guess we'll see how belivable or otherwise it is.
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Oh hey look, Micah.
Hell that was a good episode in my opinion, but I couldn't stop myself from saying out loud "Oh god, they're killing her off again?" I said that twice actually. :P
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Yeha, I said that too. But when she went and found that doctor, he said she was one of three. Also, she winked at the very end to HRG, so maybe she'll pull herself together? Who knows!
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I believe she shed a tear there actually. My problem is that she wasn't you know, invulnerable to her own power. But I thought about the pulling herself together thing as well. I mean, Iceman actually turns into ice doesn't he? I don't know if he can pull himself together or not if he's shattered like that, and it would be a bit T1000esque too wouldn't it?
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Yeah, it's be Terminator-esque for her to do that. But freezing herself didn't surprise me too much because of the look on her face when she told Micah to run for it. I think she knew they would have killed her for letting him get away.
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Holy voice-break Batman, when Miccah called for a taxi I litterally did a double take.
"Time is once again on our side" - if it had been anyone other than Hiro saying that line with that look in his face I think I might have barfed, but he pulled it off well.
I think I may have been a little too premature when I said I liked sylar last time, I had assumed he was about to remove what's-his-name's head, but instead he starts gift wrapping supers.
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Well Hiro's always been the melodramatic one who's read too many comic books.
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While I didn't care for the Micah revelation, as I think the implications given in this episode that Micah is acting completely on his own make the situation seem even more retarded that I though, the rest of the episode was pretty damn good. I saw them using the baby as a deus ex machine to give Hiro his powers back the second the kid started showing powers. I do like that they gimped them, though. The writers are doing a pretty decent job of decreasing the power of some of the more ridiculously overpowered characters (Like Peter and Hiro).
I believe she shed a tear there actually. My problem is that she wasn't you know, invulnerable to her own power. But I thought about the pulling herself together thing as well. I mean, Iceman actually turns into ice doesn't he? I don't know if he can pull himself together or not if he's shattered like that, and it would be a bit T1000esque too wouldn't it?
I, and likely pretty much every other comic nerd who watches this show, figured that's what's going to happen. Iceman's done that multiple times in the X-Men comics (Initially, he actually just encased himself in kind of ice armor, but back in the nineties he started full on turning to ice and could reform if shattered, though it took a lot out of him and was a big risk any time), and with how much the show borrows from the X_Men, I don't doubt they'll go that route.
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PS: Rebel is totally Micah Sanders
Ahem, I TOLD YOU SO
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Well would you look at that - Sylar can now take on other people's apearance - everyone thinks he's dead and he's decided to wipe out all supers - is it just me or is this sounding familiar?
Also I'm wondering about the intellegence of giving a character - whose actor by all acounts is considered highly attactive (I personally don't see it) - the ability to be played by other actors - this just means less screen time for Zach Quinto.
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It's the eyes and the eyebrows, man. Also the bad guy thing.
Where did the power from Candice go? Or did he not have that at all. I know he wanted it when he killed her.
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Who the eff was Candace
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Candice was the brunette that created illusions. She was the one who watched over Micah at the end of season 1. At the beginning of Season 2 she appeared as a redhead called Michelle. She took care of Sylar after he was stabbed by Hiro. Sylar killed her and tried to take her powers but he was infected by the Shanti virus so it didn't take.
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Missy Peregrym
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aka that fine look lass on Reaper
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Thread res to say: Sylar talking to himself as his mother - just a bit weird.
And if he is flat out invincible now I'm not going to be happy.
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The psycho goes "Psycho".
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Yeah, as much as I like Zachary Quinto, they should've killed him off two seasons ago.
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I've gone back to not liking Sylar again.
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Heh - "Hi-five turtle!" is my new favorite quote.
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You are about six or seven months late on that one.
In related news, has anyone heard about this neat new show ER?
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Heh. So yeah, I think I may just not watch Heroes anymore. Seriously? As if what's going to happen next season isn't as freaking predictable as ever. "Oh no guys, he really thinks he's Nathan, oh wait ticking clock he's back" and the cycle from the last three seasons repeats itself.
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Heh. So yeah, I think I may just not watch Heroes anymore. Seriously? As if what's going to happen next season isn't as freaking predictable as ever. "Oh no guys, he really thinks he's Nathan, oh wait ticking clock he's back" and the cycle from the last three seasons repeats itself.
/why I lost interest after Season 2
//still watches sometimes in the vain hope it will get better
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///it won't
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I just wish they could get through a season finale without killing Nathan off and then bringing him back. Just the once, maybe? I really want to keep making apologies for this show, but it's gotten so ridiculously redundant.
I'd claim they've run out of ideas, but the show really has never been original. At this point, though, they don't seem to even be trying to spin things in any original manner. Just about every single idea has been stolen from one comic or another. Even this Sylar is Nathan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morph_(Exiles)#Proteus) shit is ripped almost directly from a comic book.
I will admit, the show has essentially gone pretty far down the tubes, but I can't say I'l definitively quit watching. It's not like I'm paying for it or anything.
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I've still got X-Men.
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You are about six or seven months late on that one.
In related news, has anyone heard about this neat new show ER?
Meh - late, but still enjoying it.
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I'm glad you all came around to my way of thinking.
<---- trendsetter.
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Why didn't they just give him an infusion of Claire blood? What the fuck.
Would you like to take the easy way or perhaps this super convoluted plot with plenty of faux-meat to force feed your audience over the next 20 episodes is more to your liking?
Super convoluted plot it is! Paper or plastic?
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Exactly. The sensible and logical thing to do would've been give him Claire's blood (Healing blood's worked on him before) and have Matt read Sylar's mind to find out where he moved his "spot."
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The only reason I've been watching this show now is because I feel like I'm invested somehow.
But I'm really not. I think I'm giving up. There were better episodes this season, but I've concluded that they should have cut it at season one.
That was a terrible season finale.
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I've noticed that every season, I like the buildup, but I hate the finales - they always seem to let me down in the end.
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Well, I'm kinda glad I've stuck with this... last few eps have been enjoyable. Not fantastic, but I've def. enjoyed them.
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I stopped watching after last season's bullshit but I've started watching again because it's gotten a lot better.
I love love LOVED first season but boy did the next season go downhill fast.
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Man, Matt finally grew a pair and then the writers had to do that. Dammit.
I wish this show could just reboot to back about part-way through the first season. Company Man was probably one of the finest hours of television I have ever watched.
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oh whatever they'll probably have Peter heal him or some such shit. Death in this show only counts about 50% of the time.
Most episodes featuring Noah Bennet are better than the rest. It's ironic that one of the only non-superpowered main characters can kick everyone else's ass. Kinda like Batman being on the same team with Superman and Green Lantern.
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oh whatever they'll probably have Peter heal him or some such shit. Death in this show only counts about 50% of the time.
This is exactly what I was pissed about.
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Yes, but now we're not 100% sure who has Syler in them now, OH THE SUSPENSE.
Butterfly Man is starting to creep me out and that is good. Finally another creepster that isn't Sylar. I'm very interested in seeing what happens with him.
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I have to admit, I am quite interested to see how the Hiro/Mohinder/Butterfly Man turns out
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I sort of lost a bit of hope for it around the last season, but this is starting to look pretty good.
Happy as fuck they didn't actually kill off Mohinder though. I was :-o