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At work today I was thinking about the term "unisex bathrooms"
That is a counterintuitive term. "Unisex" means "only one sex", and it is NOT the case that "only one sex" can enter a so-called unisex bathroom.
We must rename them "bisexual bathrooms"
People, you're all pretty cool folks, but sometimes I do not need to know all about your excretory habits and toiletry preferences. - Inlander (P.S.: sorry for hijacking your thread title, stale.)
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WHAT
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Dictionary: unisex (yū'nĭ-sĕks')
adj.
1. Designed for or suitable to both sexes: unisex clothing; unisex hairstyles.
2. Not distinguished or distinguishable on the basis of sex; androgynous in appearance: cultivated a unisex look.
n.
Elimination or absence of sexual distinctions, especially in dress.
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Shit. The dictionary ruins my joke
Jeans: you must explain what the hell you were trying to get across?
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Brother is a tad bit drunk, excuse his mess?
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this thread is awful.
just saying, is all.
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Let's make this thread not awful!
Unisex bathrooms, what do you think of them?
I think they are swell. It makes everything rather equal, plus I can go pee with my male friends, and not have to be all alone when I do such. I tend to have more male friends than female friends, so this works out.
To my knowledge, the unisex bathrooms that I have been to in St. Louis, were both in awesome places. One is in this sweet as hell lesbian coffee shop, that I love because whenever I go there all the server's flirt with me, and its a great place to meet people. The other one I have been to was in the old Creepy Crawl, which was a venue that specialized in punk and metal shows. They've moved it, and I hear it isn't as great anymore. The bathrooms weren't unisex, really, one had a pink door and the other had a blue, but I've seen both sexes use both. It was never really policed or anything.
St. Louis has some pretty sweet bathrooms. There is one in a club, and god, for the life of me I can't remember the name, but I believe it's the woman's restroom. It has two toilets, one with a stall around it, the other without, no door on the stall. Both toilets face each other, and in between them is a table with a deck of cards. Its set up that way so you can play some poker while you take a crap! That's pretty awesome. Its in some punk club, I think. CBGB's, maybe.
Anyway, how do you feel about unisex toilets? Does your city have any awesome bathrooms?
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Some of the best bathrooms I've ever been in have been in good Barnes and Nobles. Carpeted floors, nice and clean. Man, that was a good place to go drop a deuce if you had to.
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It would have been perfect if the prefix 'uni' worked the same for 'sex' as it does for 'cycle'.
It's still counterintuitive. Uni meaning 'multiple' instead of 'only one'? Never saw it coming.
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Carpeted floors in a bathroom?
Now I've heard everything.
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It doesn't mean multiple in that context, it just means one bathroom for both sexes, just as universal is meant to be understood as including everything without exception. Trying to define a prefix with no consideration of context is a fool's game.
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Unisex chipshop? (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=1hMBeUZ0RAQ)
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One time when I was on campus I accidentally went into the womens washroom by accident to wash my hands because they smelled like the sandwich I had just eaten and a girl walked in as I was walking out and looked at me like I just sexually assaulted her. It was pretty goddamn embarrassing.
So yeah, unisex washrooms are a great idea.
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i'll only agree to this if I get to be the toilet.
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The closest I've ever been is going to the bathroom while my transgendered friend was in town.
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Let's forget the prefixes. They should be "sexual bathrooms."
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It would have been perfect if the prefix 'uni' worked the same for 'sex' as it does for 'cycle'.
It's still counterintuitive. Uni meaning 'multiple' instead of 'only one'? Never saw it coming.
Why do you have to keep trying to ruin this thread? It wasn't a good joke to begin with.
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i never used to really get the point of unisex bathrooms until two of my housemates, who have short hair and dress kind of guyish, told me they absolutely cannot ever use public bathrooms on account they constantly get yelled and sworn at for being in the "wrong bathroom". i think it is pretty obvious they are ladies myself, but what do i know.
now that i am aware of how horrible and rude people can be, i am pretty much all for them.
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There are unisex bathrooms at a couple of the clubs i have been to. It is a pretty good idea because the girls inevitably wind up going into the guy's bathrooms anyway due to overcrowding.
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Unisex bathrooms are something of a cause for anti-discrimination activists, at least where they concern the transgendered. That is, they support having more unisex bathrooms. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other on the issue, but demanding that bathrooms be integrated at, say, a sporting arena seems like a bad idea to me.
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Man, when I went to clubs, there would always be men in the women's room, and women in the men's room. I eventually gave up and just started going in whichever was closest.
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I understand unisex bathrooms as a way of improving efficiency. I think a good comprimise is a unisex bathroom that still afford privacy, in stalls and in a urinal, but shares facilities such as sinks and mirrors.
But, I don't think it
a) diffuses gender differences - I wonder, are people really going to feel better about their confused gender personalities because they don't have to decide if they're male or female? Maybe I'm missing the point. Having a pink door and a blue door doesn't seem like it will help - it just suggests that we're still bound to our society's idea of femininity and masculinity.
b) is as universal as it suggests in usage and comfort. You might be comfortable using a unisex bathroom, but I think there are plenty of people who aren't. For every person who likes to hang out in the bathroom a bit and have a chat/gossip, there's a person who wants some privacy. `
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i get how you can get privacy in stalls but how do you get privacy in a urinal outisde of the unspoken "look straight ahead rule"
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I've seen urinals with stalls, sans doors.
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the unisex bathrooms we have on campus don't have blue and pink doors, just urinals and stalls. maybe it depends on where you are.
from what i gathered, i thought unisex bathrooms weren't necessarily for people who couldn't decide what gender they were but rather for people who felt uncomfortable using public bathrooms cos other people seemed to have ideas about what gender they were that conflicted with theirs. i already mentioned my housemates who get yelled at every time they use public bathrooms. another transgender friend also said it made him immensely uncomfortable because even though he identifies as male, he hasn't had genital surgery and essentially urinates standing up through a prosthetic penis which makes everybody around him incredibly uncomfortable and think he's a girl who shouldn't be there. it seemed to me the main point was that they provided an alternative to people who are sick of constantly being told they are in the wrong washroom, but i guess they have a lot of uses.
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I meant privacy for the urinal area, not individually. So a urinal in a unisex bathroom might be in a corner or behind a screen, so dudes aren't peeing with people moving around/behind them.
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We have unisex bathrooms where I work. I actually hate when guys use it though, because we don't have a urinal and apparently not pissing all over the toilet/floor/walls is impossible.
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Any room is a unisex toilet if you're drunk enough.
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We have unisex bathrooms where I work. I actually hate when guys use it though, because we don't have a urinal and apparently not pissing all over the toilet/floor/walls is impossible.
You try aimin' that thing!
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:-D
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I've never had a problem with aiming, but I've been in some mall bathrooms before...I swear, some guys just unzip in a general direction. They may be 2 feet in front of the toilet, behind it, or lying on the floor, and it ends up getting everywhere. WHAT THE HELL. I've had to clean bathrooms at work (non-unisex) where people have clogged toilets with their feces, and somehow get some on the floor 3 FEET AWAY.
The bathroom habits of random strangers boggle the mind.
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I think if I owned a business I'd post signs that if you were caught having disgustified the bathroom you would be flayed then flogged, all on top of the building so everyone could see. Though there also would be a large chance of no potty service for anyone, but employees. Think of the money you'd save on tp alone...
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One time I did know who did it; there's a note for us to just tell him it's out of order next time. The problem is that I don't go into the bathrooms after every customer who goes in there so I can't really say who did what where. I have it all planned out though if I do catch someone who obviously messes it up on purpose-- hand them the cleaning supplies.
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High school bathrooms are the worst. Especially in sheltered white communities. They try to act so urban… It's sad. There's graffiti all over the stall walls(one said, rather ironically, "STOP FUCKING WRITING ON THE STALLS". Another said "STOP FUCKING PEEING ON THE FLOOR." Both written with highlighters, but two different hand writings.), somehow there is always something on the floor, we never have soap, there was once blood in the toilet. I've had bloody noses, and because the school refuses to use paper towels to dry your hands, I've had to sit over a sink and wait for it to stop, and then decide either to leave with a soaking wet face, or look like a vampire. And once there was a roach stuck to the wall(the pot kind, not the bug kind). Also, the urinals went from porcelain white to blue. I really don't know how. It was gradual, but it happened.
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lookie:
(http://billandkent.com/blog/blogimages/Urinal-London-071805.jpg)
Found by google search. I've seen these around, you could have them at unisex bathrooms as well. I can't really see the problem, we have a couple of unisex bathrooms at our school. It's only the drama students that use them, but whatever. It works out great.
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High school bathrooms are the worst. Especially in sheltered white communities. They try to act so urban… It's sad. There's graffiti all over the stall walls(one said, rather ironically, "STOP FUCKING WRITING ON THE STALLS". Another said "STOP FUCKING PEEING ON THE FLOOR." Both written with highlighters, but two different hand writings.), somehow there is always something on the floor, we never have soap, there was once blood in the toilet. I've had bloody noses, and because the school refuses to use paper towels to dry your hands, I've had to sit over a sink and wait for it to stop, and then decide either to leave with a soaking wet face, or look like a vampire. And once there was a roach stuck to the wall(the pot kind, not the bug kind). Also, the urinals went from porcelain white to blue. I really don't know how. It was gradual, but it happened.
Didn't they have toilet paper to wipe your bloody nose with>
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I've seen urinals with stalls, sans doors.
I would ideally like soundproof stalls. That way if I go in the bathroom and all the urinals are taken, nobody can hear the noise when I pee into a toilet. I always hate that, the loud noise made when peeing in a toilet. Doesn't stop me from standing there peeing in the toilet, but it does unnerve me slightly.
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What do I look like, a sniper? Maybe that's what's happening with BrittanyMarie's people, they're just trying to avoid the noise of the water.
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Any room is a unisex toilet if you're drunk enough.
I am so sig quoting that
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Maybe he is very short. Or very tall. Or has a nonstandard urethral configuration.
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Actually, as I understand from my brother's tales of his trips to America, the toilet water comes up almost to the fucking brim of the bowl, you know, instead of being just down the bottom like it does in sane countries. Can any of the US forumites confirm this?
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Yeah...for the most part. I think it has something to do with the eating habits over here, the extra water helps keep the toilets clean after certain people use them. Even then it doesn't always help. I once had to clean the toilets in the women's room and one of them had actually completely blocked the flow of water, then solidified underneath, so we ultimately had to dump a bottle of ammonia on it to dissolve it.
Even with high water levels I still never found it that difficult to hit above the mark. Even when piss (hurr hurr) drunk.
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If you think the standard american toilet is bad, you should check out some of the relics you can find in older institutional buildings like schools or airports. Those things are designed with preventing clogs in mind, not saving water. Flushing one of those bad boys sounds like unleashing a howling maelstrom from which nothing could hope to escape.
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Re: Loud toilets
Retirement homes. First time I used one whilst visiting my grandmother, I literally jumped off the toilet for fear of being sucked in.
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Actually, as I understand from my brother's tales of his trips to America, the toilet water comes up almost to the fucking brim of the bowl, you know, instead of being just down the bottom like it does in sane countries. Can any of the US forumites confirm this?
not at all! There is plenty of rim room for stealthful urination. I think most men are just too lazy to learn proper marksmanship.
I think this is a good time to quote wikipedia:
Some urinals for men incorporate fly targets: images of flies that are either printed on labels stuck to the inside of the urinal or embossed directly into the porcelain. Men often feel a compulsion to aim their urine stream at the fly, and thus the fly target helps prevent men from urinating outside the basin or bowl of the urinal. Maintenance crews at Schiphol airport in Amsterdam reported in 2005 that adding a fly target to urinals reduced bathroom cleaning costs by giving men something to aim at. The urinals at terminal 4 of John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City have a fly target in the urinals. These are replaced every month because they slide off.
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Re:Re: Loud toilets
Man, I bet you there's a barracks or prison somewhere out there with a toilet so powerful that it just gives you the equivalent of a Brazilian wax if you're foolish enough to remain seated while flushing.
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One single flush can drain the sea of all its water, and then aptly fill it back up again, all the fish thinking "wtf" whilst the guy who happened to be unfortunate enough to have pressed the lever has probably been sucked in, never to be seen again
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The Throne of Poseidon.
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I remember, many moons ago, we set out on an expedition to find this legendary Throne of Poseidon. We were a small crew, crudely brought together by our collective governments to find the fabled shitter, but we were also good men, all with families that depended on us and the success of this mission. We spent many years away from our loves, as we searched far and wide for the Throne of Poseidon. It was dangerous, some times it was even fatal. We lost Frenchy to the nomad tribes of the Amazon on our second turn of the area, and Jose was taken cruelly by the Kraken as we neared the Throne's underground home. It was I that they had nominated to be the one to use the long lost loo, with it's golden architecture a more beautiful vision than that of my long lost family. I turned, dropped my pantaloons, squatted and sighed a sigh full of relief and happiness. But this happiness soon turned into a manic depression as I realized the fatal flaw I had made. We had travelled so far, battled through so much, and in the end I was greeted with a sight that was not as beautiful as I had first believed, for the toilet paper was in fact but a single ply thick. My friends, let my story be a warning to your young adventurous soul, for my mistake cost me dearly on that fateful journey, many moons ago.
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Surely you should go get Gilead and have him chronicle your journey. It would be most epic.
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It's just weird when coworkers of the opposite sex know you've just had a bowel movement.
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At work, we just have one bathroom that we all share. Its not so much a unisex bathroom as it is a private toilet.
We actually talk about our bowel movements a lot. As well as pee. And pubic hairs. I got in an arguement once with my boss about the color of pee, and he likes to inform me of when he has pooped. Whenever I walk into the back, and he is leaving the toilet, he likes to flex and say "I just poo'd," and occasionally describes it to me.
And once one of the girls found a hair on the toilet and decided it was someone's pube. Then she accused my boss, and he said it couldn't be his because he shaves.
More people should be this free with the discussion of toilet related things.
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I think this is a good time to quote wikipedia:
Some urinals for men incorporate fly targets: images of flies that are either printed on labels stuck to the inside of the urinal or embossed directly into the porcelain. Men often feel a compulsion to aim their urine stream at the fly, and thus the fly target helps prevent men from urinating outside the basin or bowl of the urinal. Maintenance crews at Schiphol airport in Amsterdam reported in 2005 that adding a fly target to urinals reduced bathroom cleaning costs by giving men something to aim at. The urinals at terminal 4 of John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City have a fly target in the urinals. These are replaced every month because they slide off.
Man I was reading about that literally yesterday. It was in a book about game design, as an unusual example of game design principles in practice.
Also re aiming for the bowl of the toilet and not the water: I do shoot for the sides most of the time actually, but as the stream tapers off when I'm almost done it becomes much harder to aim.
Also, is this TMI?
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I don't think so but, then I also am free willing to tell people about my period...
I'm always entertained when I drink a energy drink and it turns my piss a special color. It also makes you go, dear god thats gotta be bad for you! First time it happened I told my friend and we wound up talking to some of our friends about all the things that turned the color of your pee for over a half an hour. Special times...
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If you ever go back-packing, particularly in Asia, everyone in hostels bonds over toilet stories and bowel movements. It's actually pretty great.
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I'm fairly certain Harry is not thinking very highly of us right now. Even less of me because I attacked his character.
Anywho, I used to work in a retail store that was both very close to the Light Rail (electric tram) and next door to a liquor store. This meant we rather frequently had homeless and sometimes clinically insane people in our store. There was one man who tried to get arrested so he could sleep in jail instead of out in the 20 degree weather. This in itself is not a problem, but he chose to drink an entire handle of vodka in the span of 10 minutes and sit in the women's room until the police arrived.
My point is you can't decide that a bathroom is unisex, this will probably get you arrested.
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re: pee/poop colors
if you drink alot of grape kool-aid or grape gatorade your dumps turn NEON GREEN. I had a scare senior year of college, but a little bit of internet research brought rest to all my fears. you have to drink a lot of the purple drink though, if you only do it half ass and drink a quart or so, you get a deep forest green instead of neon.
Also, if you eat too much borsch (polish beet soup) it turns your piss orange/red, and your dumps completely beet red. And energy drinks - neon yellow/greenish.
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something i find really interesting about this, actually, that i've noticed in sharing stories about bowel movements is that absolutely no-one talks about it on account it's so gross and taboo, and as a result when you get to sharing stories you start noticing that some people have some seriously bizarre pooping habits, or your habits are seriously bizarre compared to everyone else's, and you'd never know cos there's no way to compare pooping on account no one ever talks about it.
a friend of mine used to poop five times a day and thought that was pretty standard until we got to talking about poop and she decided she maybe needed to cut down on the fiber a bit. another girl i met only pooped once a week and thought everyone did. talk to your friends about your poop! it's fascinating!
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The main thing that mystifies me along those lines is that I use way more toilet paper than other people when wiping. I honestly have no idea how people can get away with wiping so little, but apparently I'm the unusual one.
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My only scary poopin' story is the time after I ate some red velvet cake and thought I was bleeding.
Also, Joe, I'm with you. I use a hell of a lot of paper.
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I support unisex bathrooms. I have to wonder, does anyone know if there are any laws regarding what bathroom a person must use, or it is just a well-followed guideline? I tried googling but didn't find what I was looking for, but I did find this. (http://www.bilerico.com/2008/11/call_for_volunteer_researchers_gender_id.php) Apparently, some people consider gendered bathrooms a womens' safety issue, which is something I never considered.
I'm always entertained when I drink a energy drink and it turns my piss a special color. It also makes you go, dear god thats gotta be bad for you!
It's the high doses of vitamin B12 that change the color of your pee. B vitamins can supposedly give you an energy boost, so most energy drinks have a bunch of them. They also turn your pee a neon yellow. This can also happen if you take vitamin supplements, particularly ones designed for vegetarians, because B12 is found mainly in animal products. Despite the weird color, it's not bad for you because you can't take an overdose of B12. The high doses of caffeine, on the other hand, are probably not super healthy.
Fun fact: Some people take B12 to try to fool drug tests. If you drink enough water to dilute the presence of drugs in your pee, it's also clear, which might make your sample suspect, but B12 can restore some color. Smart testers know the difference between B12 yellow and normal pee yellow, though.
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My only scary poopin' story is the time after I ate some red velvet cake and thought I was bleeding.
I've not had any scares from poop colors, but let me tell you it is quite freaky to throw up after eating something red.
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My only scary poopin' story is the time after I ate some red velvet cake and thought I was bleeding.
I've not had any scares from poop colors, but let me tell you it is quite freaky to throw up after eating something red.
My best friend had a fuckton of gin and tonics for his 21st, and he described his bile the next day as 'tasting like Lime-Ade and looking like chunky Mountain Dew'.
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Also re aiming for the bowl of the toilet and not the water: I do shoot for the sides most of the time actually, but as the stream tapers off when I'm almost done it becomes much harder to aim.
Also, is this TMI?
When you're about to finish you've got to just sorta hover over the bowl, no mess that way!
re: pee/poop colors
if you drink alot of grape kool-aid or grape gatorade your dumps turn NEON GREEN.
I remember my mom buying me some halloween ice cream thing from burger king when I was maybe seven years old that turned it dark green and spooky. This should have been part of the marketing campaign.
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A lot of stomach medicines can do weird things to your stool color.
My parents are both medical professionals, so if it has something to do with the body or its functions, chances are my parents will talk about it fairly openly. My mom always hates it when people use the word "impact" (the movie impacted me deeply, etc.) because when they do she's reminded of her nursing days, when she had to de-impact bowels by hand.
My deepest sympathies to the men and women who work in mental institutions.
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The main thing that mystifies me along those lines is that I use way more toilet paper than other people when wiping. I honestly have no idea how people can get away with wiping so little, but apparently I'm the unusual one.
Oh em gee. A man who knows how to wipe!
Some woman will be lucky for she will never have to see skid marks on laundry days.
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Cottonelle fresh. Flushable moist wipes. No more skids!
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If you are afraid of peeing loudly, throw some toilet paper in the bowl before you go. It muffles the sound. I am paranoid of loud peeing.
Also, I once wrote an absurdist play about toilet paper. It was supposed to reflect the Kyoto protocol and it was really kind of amazing. Fun fact that I learned while writing that play: before the invention of toilet paper, some people used corn cobs to wipe. That still makes me laugh very, very hard.
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Some woman will be lucky
It's a double-edged sword. It keeps my underwear cleaner, but it also means I am far more likely to clog up the toilet. Every month or so I end up plunging it because it's clogged up with toilet paper.
If you are afraid of peeing loudly, throw some toilet paper in the bowl before you go. It muffles the sound.
oo good tip
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Try folding instead of bunching. It's more efficient.
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I manage to clog the toilet after just peeing. I am very proud of this fact about myself, I do not know why. I just use a lot of toilet paper.
Clogged toilets and plunging is better than skids in my opinion.
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before the invention of toilet paper, some people used corn cobs to wipe. That still makes me laugh very, very hard.
in 1998 my folks took me on a road trip to see mt. rushmore and crazy horse monument. On the way back we stopped at a tourist trap which was "a town out of the 1850s." basically a guy bought a whole bunch of 1850s houses and stores and antiques and set it up to replicate a village.
anyway, they had an out house, and in the out house were two corn cobs. one corn cob was reddish/brown and the other was white. Apparently in the old days you'd go and use the darker one as TP, and then use the white one to check if you needed to use the darker one some more. It makes you really grateful that its not the 1850s when you learn stuff like that.
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Clogged toilets and plunging is better than skids in my opinion.
Well okay plunging a clog isn't a big deal so let me up the ante. Coincidentally just this weekend I had to mop up the bathroom after my toilet overflowed. No matter how many showers I take after that, the memory haunts me.
It's pretty simple arithmetic: lots of toilet paper + spotty flushing mechanism = increased likelihood of overflows
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the solution to all of your problems is to stop pooping
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The main thing that mystifies me along those lines is that I use way more toilet paper than other people when wiping. I honestly have no idea how people can get away with wiping so little, but apparently I'm the unusual one.
Oh man, I know! How do people use just like 1 sheet, or 2?
Also, My friends and I had a discussion about whether or not we ball up the paper and then wipe, or if we wipe with the sheet, then fold it and wipe again. This second option seems crazy to me. I do the first. Why would you fold your poop? It does not make sense to me!
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I do the second one! It is very efficient.
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wait some people only use one sheet?
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I've never heard of one sheet users.
As to method:
The second one. Folding allows for a greater paper-to-bunghole ratio, and as Vendetagainst notes, allows for 1 good repeat fold/wipe.
(hey, the thread title says tmi...)
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I shit trains, now what.
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It'd be a better trick to train shits.
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man, there's no way to say this without it being kind of disgusting, huh. okay, here goes -
the consistency of your poop depends mainly on your diet. if you eat lots of veggies and fibre, it'll be mushier than if you have a diet high in protein or just kind of unhealthy in general. so, a healthy diet means you will probably need to use more toilet paper than an unhealthy diet where it is just one solid hard thing that doesn't really make any kind of mess. in the latter i tend to use only one square cos that is all you need. the difference between you one-square and many-square users is probably just the consistency of your poop and what you're eating.
if this wasn't already the tmi thread i guess it is now.
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On top of that the more vegetable-dependent your diet is the more flatulent you'll likely become. This is nature's way of saying have at that second piece of red meat you fat son of a bitch
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Everything you didn't want to know about poop, in one convenient location! Head on down to the unisex bathroom thread today!
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If you eat alot of sugary foods it apparantly turns your crap to liquid. I drink lots of high sugar stuff but I just piss it out and stay "regular" with no liquid poop.
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*looks down at bowl of ice cream*
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This thread wants to POTTY ALL THE TIME
POTTY ALL THE TIME
POTTY ALL THE TIIIIIIIIIIIME
[/eddie murphy and rick james]
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Also, since I've had my gall bladder out, the consistency has gotten much softer.
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ITT: Tragic_Pizza tells us he is old.
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Let me tell you guys about my pooping habits.
I have a powerpoint presentation, with diagrams.
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@Emaline:
Like you needed to know...
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Let me tell you guys about my pooping habits.
I have a powerpoint presentation, with diagrams.
Linx plz
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Back on topic, I know the Students' Union at Manchester University has unisex toilets, so transgendered people don't get confused or upset
Here's the BBC report. I love the end bit the president says!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7643175.stm
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Let me tell you guys about my pooping habits.
I have a powerpoint presentation, with diagrams.
Linx plz
Will there be a quiz?
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Back on topic, I know the Students' Union at Manchester University has unisex toilets, so transgendered people don't get confused or upset
Here's the BBC report. I love the end bit the president says!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7643175.stm
Fucking pathetic. The reasoning behind it is just stupid. It's just making excuses for perverts, not many dudes would like a woman to watch them pee at a urinal.
IF YOU HAVE A PENIS GO THROUGH THIS DOOR TO PEE =>
IF YOU HAVE A VAGOO GO THROUGH THIS DOOR TO PEE =>
That show with the anorexic lawyer had unisex toilets didn't it?
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so... anyone ever eat enough peanuts/cashews to make their dump look like a payday bar?
reference pic of bar:
(http://www.sugarstand.com/images/sc/sc0087d.jpg)
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Fucking pathetic. The reasoning behind it is just stupid. It's just making excuses for perverts, not many dudes would like a woman to watch them pee at a urinal.
Trans people have a lot of awkwardness to deal with in our society and I think this is a good positive step. People who identify/project with what they physically aren't often look just kind of androgynous, so the people this is intended for shouldn't be making anyone feel uncomfortable on sight, as you won't necessarily be able to tell.
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i never used to really get the point of unisex bathrooms until two of my housemates, who have short hair and dress kind of guyish, told me they absolutely cannot ever use public bathrooms on account they constantly get yelled and sworn at for being in the "wrong bathroom". i think it is pretty obvious they are ladies myself, but what do i know.
now that i am aware of how horrible and rude people can be, i am pretty much all for them.
This is pretty much why, I think.
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well, presumably they'd have stalls too. i guess people can just use whatever toilets they want but they also know where to go if they specifically need a urinal.
It's just making excuses for perverts, not many dudes would like a woman to watch them pee at a urinal.
yeah i don't really think anything should be done to reduce transphobia either cos i feel sort of uncomfortable sharing bathrooms with guys, so you know, forget those weird people.
no but seriously think about it, this is the kind of thing that would probably eliminate that attitude and make people feel less uncomfortable sharing the same bathrooms in the long run. social norms are not permanent, they're only created and enforced by the societies we live in.
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Next they will make a third toilet type for people who do not know what toilet to go into.
If some dude told me I was in the wrong bathroom I would unzip and say I HAVE A PENIS .'. I AN ENTITLED TO BE HERE TO PEE.
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Next they will make a third toilet type for people who do not know what toilet to go into.
Now surely that would make more sense than forcing everyone else into using unisex toilets? Just have male, female, miscellaneous
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If you are trans you are having a tough time fitting in to the world around you. Your mother gave birth to you as one gender and you want to be another gender. Your family and early friends knew as something that you don't want to be. You are not what anyone expected or wanted.
Now you must either a) go to the toilet in a room you don't think you belong in where people awkwardly mistake you for being the wrong gender or b) go to a room which sets you further apart from those around you.
I really don't think there's too much to the guy-girl bathroom thing besides the fact that we've all been brought up with it. If the next generation is brought up without it being a big deal it won't be a big deal in the future.
If a third washroom sprung up I would use it to prove a point.
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of course, there's a portion of people who would see someone go into the 3rd bathroom door and either wait for them to come out, or follow them in because they are "different."
I think out of all the options available, unisex toilets aren't too bad. If you really care that much about where you are going to LEAVE WASTE, I think you are thinking too much.
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the problem with having a third misc. option is that the majority of the population probably doesn't have a problem with male and female toilets and would continue to use them as per usual, with the result being that the misc toilets end up being the ones obviously intended for and used only by people who don't fit in with the general straight population. the result is that this further segregates lgbt folks from the general population and doesn't actually do anything to reduce fear of these groups, which is what unisex toilets are trying to address in the first place.
it's a bt similar to how a lot of places encourage people to use the term "partner" when talking about their relationships cos it's a nice, asexual term that includes everybody and doesn't reveal sexual orientation or gender. the problem is, almost everyone who uses this term is not straight and so then they become immediately identifiable based on their use of a word which was initially supposed to be helpful, since straight people tend to just say "boyfriend" or "girlfriend". i use the word "partner" instead of "boyfriend" whenever i can and 9 times out of 10 i get the response "oh, i didn't know you were gay". i still say partner cos i like to think there's a point in there somewhere.
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I like saying "partner" because it makes me feel like a detective.
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it is also perfect for when you want to feel like a cowboy!
or cowgirl. cowperson?
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Cattle herder.
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Cattle management technician.
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Clint Eastwood
regardless of sex, that is what everyone secretly desires to be. and not the shitty, Million Dollar Baby Eastwood either.
i'm talkin A Fistful of Dollars Eastwood. aka "the man"
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what about gran torino (http://) eastwood?
from what i gather, this film is going to be about how clint eastwood punches a lot of people in the face and shoots some other people while being 78 years old. i don't even know if i'll be alive when i'm 78.
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I have never known a dude to be uncomfortable peeing when there are women around. I mean, outdoors is a pretty good unisex bathroom and I've never had a problem peein' around girls or dudes. Aside from the GLBT thing, unisex bathrooms would cut down on line time for bathrooms, I'd think. Instead of it being a place to hang out for a lot of women, it could be "pee or poop. wash hands. leave".
I guess the only downside to this, and it's not even a downside, is that bathroom sex would maybe occur more?
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Uhh, bad link!
Also, Gran Torino hasn't been a Dirty Harry film for a good few years now. It's now about a blue-collar retiree who has to confront his latent racism. Better? Worse? You decide!
I guess the only downside to this, and it's not even a downside, is that bathroom sex would maybe occur more?
Pehaps. Perhaps more non-consensual sex would occur. I would think sexual harrassment would definitely skyrocket in many situations.
I know if I were a lady and I was attending a football game I would make sure to relieve myself before the game, so I would not be forced to enter a bathroom with a large number of inebriated men. I recall going to a party once and there were some women who had entered the men's bathroom because the women's bathroom line was long. From the sound of it, the men in the bathroom seemed to assume that the girls were there to dispense sexual favors, as they propositioned the girls quite loudly and exposed themselves to the girls. It was pretty disgusting.
Now, maybe increasing the number of women in such a situation from a few to many would discourage things like that. But the sense that I get is that when you put men and women in a situation where "going about your business" involves removing your clothing in the same room as those of the opposite sex, I think it would increase the likelihood of such instances occurring.
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On top of the harassment, drunk guys don't really care where they pee. I've been in bars where guys are pissing in the bathroom trashcan and sink because all the urinals and stalls are taken up.
Then again, this was a large bar and only had 1 urinal and 1 stall
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oh i know gran torino is not a dirty harry film, i am just fascinated by the fact that it is about a very old man who confronts his latent racism by yelling at/beating up/shooting everyone. if i end up watching this for whatever reason, i kind of hope the plot ends up being terrible because i already know i won't be paying attention to that part.
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i just pretend that Clint Eastwood stopped making movies after Dirty Harry.
he is really not much of an actor and even if he was, no amount of emoting could save most of the movies he's been in since then.
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Unforgiven was pretty ace.
And does he shoot people in Gran Torino? I was under the impression it wasn't that sort of movie.
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On top of the harassment, drunk guys don't really care where they pee. I've been in bars where guys are pissing in the bathroom trashcan and sink because all the urinals and stalls are taken up.
Then again, this was a large bar and only had 1 urinal and 1 stall
Man okay I have cleaned a McDonald's bathroom many times and I have some fun stories for you, and these people are SOBER. Or, well, presumably so. I've never served somebody I thought was drunk at the time. Lots of stoners though. The point is, people will not only just not care if they piss on the floor, but they will also *shit in a coffee cup* and leave it in the toilet for all the world to enjoy and for me to clean up. I really hate people who are dicks.
True story: lost my virginity in a dorm bathroom. It had just been reopened after cleaning when we went in, so it wound up being pretty okay. Floor was wet from being mopped and smelled of Pine Sol :)
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Now every time you smell Pine Sol you will be happy. This is good to know
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i'm not sure actually. he does throw a guy off his lawn and kick him in the face and yell at him a lot, i kind of took it from there.
i do like clint eastwood though, he just weirds me out a lot. like, he had his badass phrase, which i liked, and then he had his serious director phase and there were parts of that i also liked... and then this new film seems to combine those two in a really bizarre way.
sorry to derail the thread! i still want to talk about unisex bathrooms, this thread is getting really interesting.
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huh, see, I was always that unisex bathrooms were created for areas like college dorms, where the may only be one bathroom on a floor so hey, why not let everyone use it?
shows how much I know. I don't really have a problem with anyone listening to me pooping. I am a dainty pooper.
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I am a fan of Clint Eastwood. I am also a fan of inclusive society.
I am not a fan of the ostracization of specific elements of society.
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the problem with having a third misc. option is that the majority of the population probably doesn't have a problem with male and female toilets and would continue to use them as per usual, with the result being that the misc toilets end up being the ones obviously intended for and used only by people who don't fit in with the general straight population. the result is that this further segregates lgbt folks from the general population and doesn't actually do anything to reduce fear of these groups, which is what unisex toilets are trying to address in the first place.
I'd use them and I'm pretty unambigious. lol I am a woman, who needs to piss about 4x as often as most people but takes about 1/5th of the time to go as most women. Hell, I generally piss quicker than my partner and yes I do wash my hands. I don't really understand how most women take so long. So, yay unisex bathrooms!
it's a bt similar to how a lot of places encourage people to use the term "partner" when talking about their relationships cos it's a nice, asexual term that includes everybody and doesn't reveal sexual orientation or gender. the problem is, almost everyone who uses this term is not straight and so then they become immediately identifiable based on their use of a word which was initially supposed to be helpful, since straight people tend to just say "boyfriend" or "girlfriend". i use the word "partner" instead of "boyfriend" whenever i can and 9 times out of 10 i get the response "oh, i didn't know you were gay". i still say partner cos i like to think there's a point in there somewhere.
Meh, I've heard that is true in the US but over here a lot of people use "partner" as you don't need to get married to have rights any more. I know more people who have partners than are married. And boy/girlfriend just doesn't seem right after a certain amount of time... if you've been living together for 5 years and share everything it just doesn't seem like boy/girlfriend is the right word.
I know if I were a lady and I was attending a football game I would make sure to relieve myself before the game, so I would not be forced to enter a bathroom with a large number of inebriated men. I recall going to a party once and there were some women who had entered the men's bathroom because the women's bathroom line was long. From the sound of it, the men in the bathroom seemed to assume that the girls were there to dispense sexual favors, as they propositioned the girls quite loudly and exposed themselves to the girls. It was pretty disgusting.
Now, maybe increasing the number of women in such a situation from a few to many would discourage things like that. But the sense that I get is that when you put men and women in a situation where "going about your business" involves removing your clothing in the same room as those of the opposite sex, I think it would increase the likelihood of such instances occurring.
Generally I don't think this is as much of an issue as people like to say. OTOH I'd support single-sex bathrooms at stadiums and suchlike, because as you say that is quite a bad environment. In this situation I'd imagine it's going to be safer for a transgendered person to go into the woman's bathroom regardless, or if they pass too well as a man hell you can use the stall.
clockworkjames, I hope you aren't as much of a tosser as you're coming across here. Transphobic twat.
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I like how this thread has evolved so much from the starting post of "doesn't it mean one-sex" to Clint Eastwood and transphobia :lol:
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re: pee/poop colors
if you drink alot of grape kool-aid or grape gatorade your dumps turn NEON GREEN. I had a scare senior year of college, but a little bit of internet research brought rest to all my fears. you have to drink a lot of the purple drink though, if you only do it half ass and drink a quart or so, you get a deep forest green instead of neon.
Also, if you eat too much borsch (polish beet soup) it turns your piss orange/red, and your dumps completely beet red. And energy drinks - neon yellow/greenish.
Beets will do this to your pee as well. Turns it a blood red color if you have a certain gene.
Thank you, Biology book.
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Now, maybe increasing the number of women in such a situation from a few to many would discourage things like that. But the sense that I get is that when you put men and women in a situation where "going about your business" involves removing your clothing in the same room as those of the opposite sex, I think it would increase the likelihood of such instances occurring.
It depends on the women. I don't think it'd be that bad for guys to get a good ass wooping. The only time I've been unwillfully touched was by my best guy friend and I just couldn't make myself hurt him. Actually, if you read reports, most women who are raped are done so by someone they know. I think it really is largely because they don't want to or are just to shocked to hurt their attacker. I mean most women I know understand how to take down an assailant and the ones who can't don't go places without a friend.
You might have problems at first with a couple of get your hands off me, but I think it might change some guy's under lying views. I know all the guy friends, and most of the acquaintances, back in my home town all new not to touch a woman. If they didn't they never did it again, but then it was funny what stuff we could get away with. No marks, meant no deal... (gah sorry bout comma placement... *Shakes fist at commas* I hate them all!)
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re: pee/poop colors
if you drink alot of grape kool-aid or grape gatorade your dumps turn NEON GREEN. I had a scare senior year of college, but a little bit of internet research brought rest to all my fears. you have to drink a lot of the purple drink though, if you only do it half ass and drink a quart or so, you get a deep forest green instead of neon.
Also, if you eat too much borsch (polish beet soup) it turns your piss orange/red, and your dumps completely beet red. And energy drinks - neon yellow/greenish.
Beets will do this to your pee as well. Turns it a blood red color if you have a certain gene.
Thank you, Biology book.
Time to experiment with the foodstuffs! (I may be a couple of hours)
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Honestly I don't like the whole "partner" thing. Not because it's gender neutral, but because it feels too empty and antiseptic to be used in reference to someone you truly care for. I get the same feeling of irritation when people say it that I do when I hear people use internet terminology in daily life. It's meaningless language.
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Do words like "myspacey" and "interweb" count as internet terminology? Because those are great words to use in conversation.
Also, I routinely say "google" as a verb. Then again, that one's in the dictionary now so it doesn't count.
ADDITION: I just looked up "google" on urbandictionary. This usage of the term is so great:
A: I'm really hungry.
B: Then go Google the cupboard for some ramen or something.
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I heard one where someone had no idea what the word meant, and he tried to explain it to us as so:
"I so googled my girlfriend all night"
*blank looks*
"you know, like, sex, right?"
Man, time to google the cupboards for some ramen
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Do words like "myspacey" and "interweb" count as internet terminology? Because those are great words to use in conversation.
Nah, more like "epic fail" or "for the win". Or LOLcatisms, for that matter.
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What about "owned"? I use that term in meat life, I must admit.
But when people say it out loud as "PWNED" (as in "Holy crap, that guy just got pwned!")... that annoys me.
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I have the hideously annoying habit of just saying "lol"
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owned, I can abide by. Pwned, nay.
Lol, if not actually spelled out, can be lived with.
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Nah, more like "epic fail" or "for the win". Or LOLcatisms, for that matter.
Those are two of the worst things anybody could ever say, in my book. It's bad enough on the internet, but it is a million times worse in real life.
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Most of the people I know who will say "epic fail" will say it as loud as they can. Even now, I am imagining someone I knew who would say that shit and it is metaphorically making my blood boil.
Edit: Better Hannah?
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Honestly I don't like the whole "partner" thing. Not because it's gender neutral, but because it feels too empty and antiseptic to be used in reference to someone you truly care for.
I think that is largely based off of usage. Words mean things only because the people saying them and hearing them have them mean something. The meaning to the person saying it could be completely different than the person hearing it. If you were used to saying partner, girlfriend or boyfriend might sound empty and antiseptic.
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Jace, I was just saying that you saying it "literally made your blood boil" then that would mean you blood would be actually, boiling and you would be dead. Just saying it is making your blood boil is ok, because it is a metaphor, but saying literally it is clarifying that it actually happened. Literally should not be thrown about willy-nilly, people!
/pedant
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Hannah, I was literally just being a jerk about it. But in the best, literal, way possible. I literally throw literally around like it's just some word. Literally.
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"Literally" is pretty much the only misused word that annoys me and sends me into fits of pedantry. It is for this reason I have trouble watching Jamie Oliver.
(Mr. Pants this is just speaking generally because it came up, and not directed specifically at you or anything)
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QUIT FLAMING ME VIOLENT DAVE!
(This is the third derailment of this topic)
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This thread isn't being derailed, it's just taking the scenic route.
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I don't think I really want to take a scenic route of anything related to bathrooms.
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*<>====D
for the unisex bathroom
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I don't think I really want to take a scenic route of anything related to bathrooms.
You're just jealous because your IBS won't afford you the time to take the scenic route.
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IBS prevents you from doing the scenic route of anything
It's so sad...
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Oh well, rejoice you don't have it
Wooo
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I was thinking today about how many guys I know that are utterly disgusted if a girl makes a comment about her poop. This is totally because tons of guys can't find a chick hot if they hear her pooping.
(I am saying this as a blanket for some men, I know a lot of guys are bigger than that but..)
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GIRLS POOP???
D:
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At my college we recently got a new wing built (mostly seems to be glass-fronted offices full of people I didn't even know worked there but that's another story).
One of the things that came with the new wing was a toilet, one of those ones that is just one so it isn't a cubicle, it's like a bathroom you have at home. And on the door there is a little plaque with a picture of a man and a woman holding hands.
I do not feel that they thought this through. The caretaking staff spend lots of their time discouraging couples from entering the toilets together, if you catch my drift. Now there is a sign to encourage it! I would post photos but my camera is on vacation.
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My ex once exclaimed with excitement, "I think it's fucking awesome when chicks fart!" after my best friend bent over and ripped one on her ex...
True story.
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At a university over here apparently there was some furore becuase the transsexual students considered the terms 'male' and 'female' to be descriminatory on the toilet doors. So now it's 'toilets' and 'toilets with urinals.'
YOU CAN PISS STANDING UP INTO A NORMAL TOILET ANYWAY.
And if you really need to try that hard to get offended by something, I think you probably deserve to be offended.
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me and my housemates fart all over each other all the time, it ain't no thang
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DK: I love how you showed up into a thread four pages in and related an anecdote which is actually the original post.
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At a university over here apparently there was some furore becuase the transsexual students considered the terms 'male' and 'female' to be descriminatory on the toilet doors. So now it's 'toilets' and 'toilets with urinals.'
YOU CAN PISS STANDING UP INTO A NORMAL TOILET ANYWAY.
And if you really need to try that hard to get offended by something, I think you probably deserve to be offended.
Simple solution really: change the "handicapped" toilet to "minority groups" toilet, and then we can leave those awesome little people on the door
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me and my housemates fart all over each other all the time, it ain't no thang
I'm sorry that is improper.
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ONE RESTROOM. INSIDE, A LONG TROUGH WITH A CONTINUOUS FLOW OF WATER.
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me and my housemates fart all over each other all the time, it ain't no thang
Two people, milling about each other, trying to get the first fart. Room slowly filling with shit particles
Ah pleasentries
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me and my housemates fart all over each other all the time, it ain't no thang
Two people, milling about each other, trying to get the first fart. Room slowly filling with shit particles
Ah pleasentries
You have the greatest fucking avatar on this fucking forum. If your name was Captain Hair, you'd win the forum.
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I was thinking today about how many guys I know that are utterly disgusted if a girl makes a comment about her poop. This is totally because tons of guys can't find a chick hot if they hear her pooping.
(I am saying this as a blanket for some men, I know a lot of guys are bigger than that but..)
tbh, i can usually "switch off" to toilet sounds if i'm in a close enough vicinity to hear them, so that's not an issue, but i actually think it's cool if a girl can talk about that kinda thing like guys tend to, or if she can fart without making a fuss. i actually find it annoying when girls (or ANYONE for that matter) gets all shocked and offended when someone farts or talks about that kinda thing.
actually, a cool thing happened the other day in relation to poop-talk... i was round a mate's house, and my mate had just returned from the toilet when we heard his female housemate shout from upstairs "WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SMELL?!" When she came down, i nodded towards my friend and said "he's just given admiral browning an honorable burial at sea," to which she laughed and then launched into a 10minute conversation with us about pooping euphemisms!
re: pee/poop colors
if you drink alot of grape kool-aid or grape gatorade your dumps turn NEON GREEN. I had a scare senior year of college, but a little bit of internet research brought rest to all my fears. you have to drink a lot of the purple drink though, if you only do it half ass and drink a quart or so, you get a deep forest green instead of neon.
Also, if you eat too much borsch (polish beet soup) it turns your piss orange/red, and your dumps completely beet red. And energy drinks - neon yellow/greenish.
i had one of those slush-ice drink things at a fairground in hamburg once. it was blue. and apparently that was because of INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH COLOURING AGENT, because my shit turned full on grass-green. scary at first, but incredibly amusing when i realised what had caused it!
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Three people in my lab are currently working on bacteria from faecal samples*. Many people in the lab and from our department donate samples for them to work on. Consequently, we make a lot of poo jokes. Also, I totally won the prize for the least antibiotic-resistant bacteria in the digestive tract. I kinda wanted some kind of trophy.
*Thankfully, I'm not one of them. Also, did you know you need to fill out a 60 page document and apply for ethics approval to work with your own shit? It's bizarre.
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there must be some kind of poo-related lawsuit behind every single one of those pages
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on-topic: yesterday i bought some high-fiber cereal then today got super hungry and ate a whole bunch of it cos it was so delicious and i forgot all about the fiber part. it is really really high in fiber. like, i think it is actually meant to help people who are unhealthy and frequently constipated and also not meant to be eaten in the quantity i just did. now i am a little bit terrified of what is going to happen to me next time i poop.
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me and my housemates fart all over each other all the time, it ain't no thang
When I was 10, I ate 6 re-fried bean burritos. It was the first night I ever stayed the night with my childhood friend. The icebreaker between us was, giving her a dutch oven in the middle of the night. It was awesome. My own fumes had me leaving the room. Up until the end of our day's together we'd catch each other off guard, bend over in the others ear and just let go.
As for my pooin' habits, I'm just naturally a pooey person to begin with. Once in the morning, and then late at night. It really gets me when I'm away from home, cause it's not that I'm ashamed that I do poop. It's that, I can't concentrate unless I'm in my bathroom at my parents house. And I'm moving out next month, no visits home either because it's 5 hours away.. wish me luck.
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Ooh, fun story! When my sister was yonger she was very sensitive to smells and had a strong gag reflex. One day (I would have been seven-ninish) my sister, mom, and I were in my sister's room talking and I farted. My sister tried to run to the bathroom but ended up vomiting all over the floor. And we all had a big laugh about it shortly after.
I am still filled with sophomoric glee at the memory.
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Oh, man. Me and my little brother were throwing a bean bag around. This is when he was like, 10. After a little while he took off his sweatpants and just played in his boxers. Kept playing for another ten minutes. Then all of the sudden, whilst holding my bean bag, he takes off his boxers and runs out into the hall, and just takes a dump on the floor. I could not stop laughing for the next 20 minutes. He apparently could not stop playing catch to go to the bathroom. Just thinking about it now is bringing me to tears.
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I once shat on a street corner in Guatemala, then wiped with my underwear and left them on top of the pile of poo. Well, more like a puddle of poo. I was suffering the aftereffects of eating food from a street vendor. Also, I was wearing a skirt, that's how I got the underwear off. Also, don't eat food from a street vendor. Just like the guidebooks say, it's a bad idea.
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Was the food at least tasty?
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GUYS! I go to the bathroom and thats it. I don't check the consistency of it or any of that. You are all wierd!
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Man, the food was SO tasty. But I had the shakes for about two days afterwards. Not to mention the poo.
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Your body was overwhelmed by the flavour. It was grieving for the flavour that it would never taste again.
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i pooped on someone's lawn once while i was out on a run. apparently this isn't so uncommon as running (actually, cardio in general) makes you digest a lot quicker. at the time i didn't know you were supposed to try to poop in advance before running. obviously i wasn't proud of this but i was also like 5km from home and there wasn't anything else i could do. i am really hoping the owner of the house thought it was a dog or something.
very shamefully, i told this to my friend after it happened and was expecting him to be disgusted or angry but instead he laughed and said the exact same thing had once happened to him too! amazing.
also, edith, i heard a story from my sister similar to yours, only instead of street vendor food it was a fruit. she was doing an internship in ghana and was told repeatedly not to drink the water there without purifying it first, so she abided by this very diligently and then one day bought a pineapple off the street and ate the entire thing forgetting that fruit is about 95% water. anyway this resulted in her pooping on the stairs in a building and leaving her underwear on a windowsill and running away. she is also the smartest person i know, a lesson that you should never judge a book by it's cover/a person by their poop.
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Your body was overwhelmed by the flavour. It was grieving for the flavour that it would never taste again.
oh so look who decided to join the conversation after all
People, you're all pretty cool folks, but sometimes I do not need to know all about your excretory habits and toiletry preferences. - Inlander (P.S.: sorry for hijacking your thread title, stale.)
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I once shat on a street corner in Guatemala, then wiped with my underwear and left them on top of the pile of poo. Well, more like a puddle of poo. I was suffering the aftereffects of eating food from a street vendor. Also, I was wearing a skirt, that's how I got the underwear off. Also, don't eat food from a street vendor. Just like the guidebooks say, it's a bad idea.
Gather round children, and attend the sad and terrible tale of the day that the feminine mystique died.
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Re: "toilets with urinals".
I really do not think this will make gender-confused people any less confused. In fact, it is liable to make me even more confused. There are some obvious things to be addressed about attitudes towards transgendered people, but i don't really think this is a solution. I'd say having a unisex bathroom, or male/female/unisex would be preferable.
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When I was younger my family went to England for a year, and in school holidays we went camping at places around Europe. In france, the campsite had toilets with a door that said "male", and a door that said "female" on opposite sides of a building. When mum and I went in one door while Dad and Ro went in the other, we met up at the middle. Both doors led to the same set of toilets.
I like that idea.
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Both doors led to the same set of toilets.
brilliant! It's like an absurdist art installation.
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GUYS! I go to the bathroom and thats it. I don't check the consistency of it or any of that. You are all wierd!
Man what the hell kind of person doesn't like to take a gander at their creation? We had this AWESOME German toilet when we lived in Luxembourg. Fucker had a poo *shelf* so that you could examine it for parasites (or lulz). It was the coolest and most disgustingly useful thing ever and I totally want one.
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It is my waste. I do not need to see it.
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i was having that conversation with a friend earlier this week actually, on why people look at their poop before they flush. i am annoyingly logical and take an evolutionary approach to everything all the time and my guess is this must be an inborn instinctual thing to check for parasites or signs of bad health, like what patrick said.
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We had something similar to the two doors one room thing at a camp I was at once for a school trip. So, there were four rooms in the lodge, the upper rooms were usually for girls, the lower ones usually for guys. Now, the rooms were on the edge of the building, with the bathrooms next to them on the inside, and the staircase between those. The bunks led to the nearest bathroom, ours said boys, since we were on the bottom floor. Here's the thing: on the main door into them, it said girls bathroom. You can imagine how well that went, I guess the teachers didn't know about it, and the staff didn't bother mentioning it.
tania, I don't know about you, but I look so I don't just randomly drop the toilet paper.
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Every time I take a shit it looks different than the last time. It is like an ever-changing art exhibit.
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Tomorrow, in the news: "Art critics awed by display of feces"
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Actually, there are a number of artists who really do smear their feces on canvases.
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Wasn't that one of the things the guy that did the covers for Load and Reload does? Wish he would have for those albums, would give fair warning.
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It's also a common means of expression for mental patients.
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And various monkeys.
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Pretty sure alot of girls can pee pretty accurately standing up. But the whole having to be quite a bit more exposed than a guy does to do it means urinals are a no-no I guess.
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i find a pretty good way of peeing while standing up and having a vagina is to find a tree/fence/something to lean against, and put your feet at the base of it but spread them kind of apart, and then hold on to the support object with your hands. then you lean back as far as you can and sort of arch your pelvis forward and pee. it goes in a pretty straight nonmessy line and if you do it right it shouldn't touch your feet or anything.
however, i don't think i could pee into a toilet or urinal standing up if my life depended on it.
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two doors one room
This reminds me of something relevant to poop-talk...
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All a woman really has to do to pee standing up is spread her legs far enough apart. You can pee in a public toilet without touching the seat if you just stand over it. The only problem is that it is quite loud when the pee hits the water, so not really suitable if there are other people in the bathroom when you are.
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You could always buy a P-mate, they apparently actually work really well.
(http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/p-mate-pee-standing-up-1.jpg)
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That ... that's kinda weird. I don't see anyone wearing it/ carrying it in their handbag
Might make for a good new fashion trend, though
Everyone! Wear your P-mates on the OUTSIDE!
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I think it would be great for outdoor concerts and camping and stuff! Also I would totally keep some in the car for when you're driving and it's 3am and you need to pee. Squatting in the dark 'cause the gas stations all closed at 1 is not fun at all!
Someone buy me this, I swear I will use it.
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There's a blogger somewhere in the Israeli Defense Force who uses one of those to the complete and utter fascination of her male fellow soldiers.
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Okay this sounds weird but you can totally direct your pee standing up. Therefore using a urinal. If you spread your legs a bit and pull the skin up by where your pubic hair normally starts you can get about four inches distance, thus peeing standing up in a urinal without getting it on yourself! It's not really useful but occasionally awesome for winning bets.
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I've heard that works, but it seems like something that should be practiced first. I'm disinclined to risk peeing on my hands though, and most of them recommend practicing in the shower and that's just ew.
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I was about to say I should try that in the shower.
Then I read Manda's post; apparently that's ew.
I pee in the shower, folks. If you pee on your feet in a public shower (campground, dorm room, prison, etc), you are less likely to get athlete's foot. My grandad, a medical doctor, told me that when I first went to camp.
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I usually try not to pee on myself in the shower. you know, bad practice...
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Wouldn't it just be alot less gross to wear waterproof sandals to public shower then scrub your feet later?
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I pee in the shower. Doesn't bother me at all!
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Isn't peeing in the shower actually supposed to be, like, healthy or something? I mean, the acidity of it washes away bacteria on the shower floor?
I heard that somewhere.
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Yeah, pee is actually really clean.
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I never said I didn't pee in the shower, just that I didn't pee on myself. I also did it with a perfectly placed pagebreak so it seems entirely out of context.
LEAVING IT THAT WAY.
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I think it's an automatic ew in my head because I have shared a bathroom my whole life. I don't want to think of stepping into a shower and knowing I might be walking in someone else's pee! I would avoid that in any other situation, so I extend that courtesy to people I share a shower with.
Also morning pee where you're all kind of dehydrated from not drinking all night smells pretty bad. Can you imagine being trapped in a steamy shower with that smell? Ack.
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It always gets rinsed away, I don't think anyone pisses in the shower and thinks "you know what I think I'll just leave that there"
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I am totally not grossed out by pee at all, it is probably the 'cleanest' thing that comes out of the human body.
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two doors one room
This reminds me of something relevant to poop-talk...
I noticed, but I kept it in because it amused me.
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People are rite, pee is sterile (if you are healthy) but pressure of how hard you can pee might be an issue. Outside after enough beer I can pee for a good 2 or even 3 yards distance and maintain if for maybe 10 seconds at best. I am sure alot of guys can do better, the only thing is because your urethra is not a perfect circle tube the way it comes out means it goes in a shape like vertical then curves round and hits off itself to make it horizontal then kinda evens out. I am half tempted to get autocad and make a 3d rendering of a stream of piss...
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Seriously, wear the goddamn sandals it you're that afraid of athlete's foot. One time a guy next to me in a public shower started pissing on the floor, so I left immediately. And I was wearing sandals.
There's a reason we have toilets and showers, people.
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Oh, there's somebody that doesn't have to buy his own TP talking. It just makes SENSE to pee in the shower.
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I can understand peeing in ones own shower to a certain degree (though I wouldn't do it, maybe mostly because my shower floor is my bathroom floor (I think if I wanted to I could actually sit on the toilet, shower and brush my teeth at the same time without problems), and that kind of grosses me out), but not in public showers. Because, just..no.
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i pee in the shower all the time for the reason that it saves toilet paper! that is when you know you are stingy.
the only thing making me a bit skeptical was the thought that maybe it is not so good for my feet but since everyone seems to be saying it actually kills bacteria, i am going to keep doing it. forever.
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For me, it's just that the sound of the running water triggers a desire to pee, and by that time, I'm in the nice, warm shower and I'm not going to get out to pee in the toilet when there is a drain directly beneath me.
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Agreed. Especially when you've just woken up and you've walked through whatever winter wonderland may be forming in your house to get to your shower. I get chills real easily, especially when wet, and you just cannot find a threat menacing enough to get me to not pee in the shower when that is the case.
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I remember doing a psychological experiment in one of my classes. Basically, the instructor asked the class how many people they think pee in the shower. We guessed and then it was revealed that if you say over 50%, you probably pee in the shower yourself and therefore think it is normal. Apparently it is something like forty percent for real. A Google search yields everything from 42 to 79 percent. Either way, it's not abnormal.
We then learned that the reason this topic was chosen was because years ago, the instructor left a woman at the altar because someone asked him if she peed in the shower. The theory was that if he didn't know, then he wasn't ready to get married. I love psychology courses.
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Man, that is fucked up.
The thing about marriage is FINDING OUT all the weird shit your spouse does. And loving them ANYWAY.
Your instructor is a dick.
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It sounds to me not that whether she did or not was the issue; he didn't know the answer and thus was not ready to marry the person. But maybe I'm reading it wrong. It is kind of oddly phrased.
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The only acceptable reasons for leaving someone at the altar all involve criminal pasts. That test, it's not so much that knowing whether or not your fiancee pees in the shower indicates readiness for marriage, but rather thinking it matters indicates that you don't really want to get married.
In short, your psychology teacher was in denial. typical
It sounds to me not that whether she did or not was the issue; he didn't know the answer and thus was not ready to marry the person. But maybe I'm reading it wrong. It is kind of oddly phrased.
Your way is how I read it, and I think that's pretty stupid reasoning. Hence the person is a dick for leaving someone at the altar, and he's just looking for a way to rationalize it to make himself feel better.
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Re: The Sterility of Urine.
Kind of correct. Urine inside the bladder can be usually considered free of bacteria, and mid-stream urine will come out relatively "sterile", but the initial flow will have some bacteria in it because it picks up stuff that has colonised the distal urethra, ie. the tubes closest to the outside.
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i pee in the shower all the time for the reason that it saves toilet paper!
Why do you need to use toilet paper when you pee???
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i pee in the shower all the time for the reason that it saves toilet paper!
Why do you need to use toilet paper when you pee???
It comes out of this hole that is burrowed into mucus membranes rather than a hole at the tip of a tube.
Wait are you joking :?
De_El, if he wasn't ready, it was the right thing to do to decide not to get married at that time. But leaving her at the altar? That is another thing.
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No offense to any psychology students, but my theory is that psychology professors initially get into the science in an attempt to understand why they are so fucked up. Seriously, my psychology teachers have all been batshit crazy.
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Gotta agree with Mr. Hocking; any explanation other than "I guess I wasn't ready and should have ended things sooner," is likely just denial. I've been called cold before for breaking up with a lady over seemingly petty disagreements before, but I don't really think there's anything wrong with that since it was early in the relationship and clearly I just wasn't that interested anymore. Personally I think just about anything is fair justification for breaking off a relationship, since even minor issues can help bring the realization that you're just not all that emotionally invested into stark relief. Personally, I try to do everyone a favor and quit wasting time on a relationship if I really seem to be having a lot of problems with seemingly minor issues. Break ups aren't fun, but it sure as hell beats leading someone on, breaking up at the altar and announcing to the world that you are an insensitive and indecisive jack ass.
Re: Crazy Psychology Profs.
My psychology professor was also batshit insane. She was incredibly boring and didn't mind being repetitive since she believed strongly that brute repetition gets results. On our first day, she apologized for how much she repeats herself. Twice.
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Yeah, a lot of people interested in psychology are because of their own issues. My mother's doing a counselling degree and I have to say I'm rather scared of her working as a counsellor. Even she text me the other day to say "I feel like a fraud doing this course when I can't cope with my own life". Hum.
To go back like 3 pages, I find it interesting that anyone would find the word "partner" sterile. Each to their own and that but I'm just not quite sure why. I find boy/girlfriend somewhat juvenile and shallow sounding, though I use it sometimes (like when saying "why did I have to get such a dumb boyfriend?" to him. Partner wouldn't work in that sentence :-D), and I admit I am more judgemental when someone says they are married than I'd like to be. Or not judgemental so much as thinking to myself "hmm, I wonder why they got married and what their relationship's like", which I don't do when someone says partner. :-P
Oh and the idea of being a wife or having a husband makes me deeply uncomfortable. *shudder*
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De_El, if he wasn't ready, it was the right thing to do to decide not to get married at that time. But leaving her at the altar? That is another thing.
What? Sorry, I did not mean to excuse the dude's conduct I was just addressing semantical issues because that is a thing I do sometimes.
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De_El, if he wasn't ready, it was the right thing to do to decide not to get married at that time. But leaving her at the altar? That is another thing.
What? Sorry, I did not mean to excuse the dude's conduct I was just addressing semantical issues because that is a thing I do sometimes.
What are you referring to when you say you were addressing semantical issues? Were you doing that by asking me to clarify my post, or were you doing it in your post about the psych professor? Also I am not sure what you are asking me to clarify either.
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I am not asking you to clarify anything, what I meant by "What?" was more like "What? No." as in "What? No, that is not what I meant."
I was addressing the semantical issues in whether the psych professor gentleman decided not to marry someone (nominally) because he discovered some answer to the question of whether his fiancé peed in the shower, or because he realized he did not know the answer. I thought it was the latter. Whether or not the reason is any good is something else entirely.
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Oh sorry, I just realized I meant to respond to the original anecdote, which was actually shared by Darkbluerabbit and not you. My bad!
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Peeing in the shower now.
This thread is going places!
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fenriswolf: i don't want to be a "wife" either. i know this isn't the 50s anymore, but all i imagine upon hearing that word is spending the day in the kitchen wearing an apron and bonnet and making pies with like 15 babies running around. "partner" makes me think we could both maybe wrestle and play video games and be best friends who don't fit into stereotypical gender roles and it'll be alright.
obviously i am not trying to speak for everyone here... it's my own personal thing. basically i never want to get married.
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Just to clear up up a few things:
I DO: pee in the shower
I DO NOT: pee in the tub while taking a bath
I DO: poop on street corners in dire, dire, dire emergencies and abandon my underpants there
I DO NOT: poop in the shower under any circumstances
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fenriswolf: i don't want to be a "wife" either. i know this isn't the 50s anymore, but all i imagine upon hearing that word is spending the day in the kitchen wearing an apron and bonnet and making pies with like 15 babies running around. "partner" makes me think we could both maybe wrestle and play video games and be best friends who don't fit into stereotypical gender roles and it'll be alright.
obviously i am not trying to speak for everyone here... it's my own personal thing. basically i never want to get married.
word.
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lol @ Edith.
fenriswolf: i don't want to be a "wife" either. i know this isn't the 50s anymore, but all i imagine upon hearing that word is spending the day in the kitchen wearing an apron and bonnet and making pies with like 15 babies running around. "partner" makes me think we could both maybe wrestle and play video games and be best friends who don't fit into stereotypical gender roles and it'll be alright.
obviously i am not trying to speak for everyone here... it's my own personal thing. basically i never want to get married.
Yup. Got into a big shitfight on another forum about this, people who felt threatened by me feeling this way. Uh, I don't have a problem if you like marriage and all the stuff that goes with it, it's just that the idea makes me want to run screaming from anyone who suggested it. :lol:
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yep, i went the majority of my life being told by my ultra-traditional family that if my two main life goals weren't to get married and have a billion babies (again, i have nothing against other people being pregnant, i just don't want to ever do it because it really freaks me out), i was pretty much the most horrible selfish person on earth. so mostly i do not care what anybody thinks of me anymore but also it is really nice to know other people think like me and i am not all that terrible and insane after all!
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Yay! I've been pretty lucky in mostly knowing other women who don't want kids and have a non-traditional family. But the idea it's selfish to think that kids should only be born to people who passionately want children and not just everyone with a uterus drives me into a homicidal rage. Well, not quite. :laugh:
I've got the slightest amount of patronising "you'll change your mind when you're older" from my partner's sister in law recently and I have to try really hard not to say "just because you live your life as one big sexual stereotype doesn't mean I have to, fool."
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"partner" makes me think we could both maybe wrestle
Isn't that what husbands and wives do? :-D
and play video games and be best friends who don't fit into stereotypical gender roles and it'll be alright
Seriously, though, that is pretty much how I feel, and I am a male.
Fenris: It wouldn't surprise me if at a later age (hell, probably not far above the average age here), the body starts bugging you to have kids. Wouldn't change how your mind feels, of course, but it might try.
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i know that they do, it's really just a very picky, personal language thing. that and there's some other stuff about marriage that i find too traditional and annoying. again, i'm not telling other people that it's bad or that they shouldn't do it, i just really do not think it is the thing for me.
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Fenris: It wouldn't surprise me if at a later age (hell, probably not far above the average age here), the body starts bugging you to have kids. Wouldn't change how your mind feels, of course, but it might try.
Oh I'm sure it will. But doesn't it strike you as incredibly rude to say that to someone? I mean if I decided to have kids later on it's my damn choice and no one ele's business. Bear in mind I feel strongly enough that if I could convince a dr to sterilise me I'd do it: and frankly I don't understand why we're so hung up on letting our hormones rule us. If I regret it it's my decision to regret and my life, good lord.
As for the marriage thing. Lots of people have marriages that are as traditional or non-traditional as any other couple. People are like that. But the historical backdrop of marriage is relevant and I think effects people more than they know. I mean it's not like heterosexual relationships don't already have a strongly socialised structure that's remarkably hard to avoid.
Every relationship I've been in someone's had to say "haha, we know who wears the pants in this relationship!" (a) No, you don't know shit about what I'm like in private. (b) Wow, relationships have to have a "dominant" partner now? Nice to know...
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Just to clear up up a few things:
I DO: pee in the shower
I DO NOT: pee in the tub while taking a bath
I DO: poop on street corners in dire, dire, dire emergencies and abandon my underpants there
I DO NOT: poop in the shower under any circumstances
I hear that
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Oh, sure it's condescending, but it is also incredibly common to say that. I've gotten used to it, I suppose, because I have made decisions that people insist I will feel differently about when I am older. Of course, these are always people that don't really know my situation at all, but isn't that usually the case?
Isn't the not tying the tubes of women until they have had a child something to do with the size? I seem to remember hearing that it was because until a child was born, the part was too small to safely operate on. Well, science marches on, so if that is true, I imagine we will eventually be able to operate safely.
On marriage effecting people, I don't really know, as I don't know what you are speaking of in specific. I tend to be suspicious of claims of subconscious influence, though I know it exists. It just seems like it is frequently used to explain away things that someone doesn't like.
I would agree with you about there not needing to be a dominant partner in a relationship, but I personally don't find the pants comment annoying at all. That usually gets said over small stuff.
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I've generally found the "pants" comment has usually not been in response to something specific and silly so much as a generalised comment just because I'm not especially feminine. Meh.
I'm not sure about the practicality of sterilising women who have not had children but I'd doubt it very much, it's probably just a wee bit more fiddly which is going to make surgeons uncomfortable if they don't do it a lot. I mean it's not entirely sexist, men get harassed about wanting children/more children when they do it as well, it's just annoying.
As for subconcious influences I can't be bothered figuring out exactly what I mean, I guess it's that as forward as we like to think we are gender roles are still very much socially enforced, and I think all sorts of little things exacerbate this so I'd rather opt out of the whole thing all together. As much as I can.
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Oh, I guess I see what you mean. Unwritten laws, and whatnot. Know what the best part about an unwritten law is? They can't jail you for breaking it.
edit: I guess that is kind of glib, but I really tend to not care if I get people's feathers ruffled because of how I behave, so things like that seem rather straightforward to me.
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the whole kids thing is kinda weird... i mean, i'm 20 and single, and if the subject comes up in conversation, i'll usually just say i don't really ever wanna be a dad, but i'm not so militantly against the idea that i wouldn't consider it if i met the right girl. i mean, i'm not massively opposed to having a kid running around, i generally get on well with my younger relatives and have done since they were little, but what scares me is the ridiculous amount of influence i'd have on the kid. i mean, most of my habits, mannerisms and attitudes are a result of either picking them up off my parents, or consciously avoiding picking up other habits from my parents. the thought that EVERYTHING I DO during the kid's life up until adolesence could influence the person he/she turns out to be is a fucking scary thought.
my point is, it's something think about, but i don't think anyone could ever be totally 100% certain that they do or do not want kids - hell, probably just about every expecting mother has worries and second thoughts, and same goes for every guy on his way to get a vasectomy. what doesn't help is the people who say things like "that's what life's about, having kids, raising a family" etc.
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THIS THREAD IS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.
Science is serious business (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Stool_Scale)
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Man I want to get a poster of that for the toilet door.
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Oh, I guess I see what you mean. Unwritten laws, and whatnot. Know what the best part about an unwritten law is? They can't jail you for breaking it.
edit: I guess that is kind of glib, but I really tend to not care if I get people's feathers ruffled because of how I behave, so things like that seem rather straightforward to me.
:D Glib is OK. Personally I'm happy being a big freak and actually try and avoid "fitting in", but what frustrates me is watching mainstream media and societal expectations shape people around me. I hates the mind control! :police:
the whole kids thing is kinda weird... i mean, i'm 20 and single, and if the subject comes up in conversation, i'll usually just say i don't really ever wanna be a dad, but i'm not so militantly against the idea that i wouldn't consider it if i met the right girl. i mean, i'm not massively opposed to having a kid running around, i generally get on well with my younger relatives and have done since they were little, but what scares me is the ridiculous amount of influence i'd have on the kid. i mean, most of my habits, mannerisms and attitudes are a result of either picking them up off my parents, or consciously avoiding picking up other habits from my parents. the thought that EVERYTHING I DO during the kid's life up until adolesence could influence the person he/she turns out to be is a fucking scary thought.
my point is, it's something think about, but i don't think anyone could ever be totally 100% certain that they do or do not want kids - hell, probably just about every expecting mother has worries and second thoughts, and same goes for every guy on his way to get a vasectomy. what doesn't help is the people who say things like "that's what life's about, having kids, raising a family" etc.
See I just wish more people would really think about the bolded part before having kids. I love people who love parenting. I actually really like kids, though babies disturb me and I have little tolerance for brats. I have a friend who's a single mother, she knew when she got pregnant she probably would be. She doesn't care, she loves hanging out with her kid, and hence he's really cool. She's also covered in pastel-coloured tattoos, has white and purple hair and dresses her son in lion outfits as a matter of course. Awesome. :laugh:
I agree no one can be 100% certain about not wanting kids. But I have a long list of logical reasons why I shouldn't procreate and I literally feel about having children the way I do about owning animals - if I feel I'm in a position where I can be a good parent I'd rather foster or adopt kids who need help than add yet another child to the world just because it will have my genes.
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Yeah, I get what you mean about the influence you have on your kid. I might have one eventually, but I'm determined to wait a while. Three of my cousins have had kids recently, and the amount of responsibility they are dealing with scares me. Especially because they aren't exactly well-off. I'm determined to have a house, money, and some investments before I have a kid, if I ever do. I have thought a lot about genes, mine in specific, and I figured that I've gotten pretty lucky, so I wouldn't feel bad about passing them on to a child.
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:-D Yeah my genes aren't so great.
I wouldn't necessarily panic about the money to a huge degree so much as being emotionally ready and stable. Money is important but if you wait until you have "enough" money you'll be waiting forever. You never have enough money for children. lol
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I was about to contribute to the discussion about having kids, but then noticed what thread this is. Why are you having this discussion here?
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Why not? Slowly, every topic will be covered by this thread
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Go on, doooo it.
Why not, it's not like someone can't bring it back on topic if they're dying to discuss poo some more. And splitting OT threads into two separate discussions inevitably kills one of them, usually the off-shoot. :-P
Edit:
Why not? Slowly, every topic will be covered by this thread
Ah, beaten!
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well regards people paying attention to the genes they pass on...
My fiancee had me calculate the percentage chance that our children will have blue eyes because this is important to her (I guess my background in biology proved handy.) It's a 50% chance, so she half-jokingly announced that she would love and care for the half with blue eyes while any brown eyed children were my responsibility.
Half-jokingly.
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Did you point out that you could still have 4 brown-eyed children as it's a 50% chance every time? And that brown eyes are prettier? :lol:
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She's obviously not as adamant as she claims about the blue-eyes because, well, she seems to like me okay. Although for all I know she bites her lip when she's all alone and wishes I had blue eyes too.
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And that of course begs the question... if you have blued eyed kids, how sure can you be they are yours? :-o
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Bah, blue eyes are much prettier. Not as much as green, though.
Joe, how far back do you have to look to know that? Same question for hair color, if you know.
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What if you had a child with a wicked blue-in-one-eye-brown-in-the-other deal?
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Joe, how far back do you have to look to know that? Same question for hair color, if you know.
Hair color is much more complicated than eye color so you pretty much can't predict that one. For eye color, well if a person has blue eyes then you definitely know their genotype. If you have brown eyes, then you might have to go back a couple generations to be sure of your genotype. In my case though it was enough to know that my dad has blue eyes; that along with the fact that I have brown eyes tells me for sure what my genotype is.
What if you had a child with a wicked blue-in-one-eye-brown-in-the-other deal?
I would send him into the mountains to be raised by kung-fu monks.
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Re "partner:"
The church I used to work at as a youth director had an openly gay couple. One of the guys died after a long illness; because some of the youth group kids were young (and their parents were scary conservatives), I had a conversation with another member (also gay) about how to explain the survivor's loss.
She said, "tell them he lost his best friend."
I did.
One of the younger kids piped up, "are they gay?"
I told the truth, and was able to steer the conversation in a very positive way.
I don't think it had anything to do with me getting fired later...
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I agree no one can be 100% certain about not wanting kids.
yeah,i see what you mean here. still, i am about as close to 100% sure as someone can be that they do not want kids because even thinking about something being alive inside of me makes me nauseated and horrified and i routinely have horrible nightmares about being pregnant and giving birth and when i wake myself up it usually takes 10-15 minutes to calm down and stop shaking.
it isn't kids per se, i think i'd be okay with adopting. i just really, really can't be pregnant. i can't even deal with thinking about it. it is so scary. i've been terrified of being pregnant as long as i can remember, to the point where i feel like it must be some kind of phobia or something. i really can't foresee this changing anytime in the near future.
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Hmm. I would bet it is a phobia. Interesting too since I'm nominally a vet nurse and find biology fascinating, and can sort of imagine being all happy over my own baby but frankly the idea of a ball of cells multiplying inside me, then attaching itself to my uterine wall and growing off me makes me feel physically sick. General feeling is FUCK THAT NO NOT IN MY BODY YOU DON'T.
So yeah, I feel ya.
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Man I want to get a poster of that for the toilet door.
Bristol stool chart money holder thingy on ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/Bristol-Stool-Chart-Check-Ur-Poop-Cigarette-or-ID-Case_W0QQitemZ330286742965QQcmdZViewItem).
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1994- letterman show- madonna says she pisses on her feet in the shower.
But she is an old lady now and that could just be incontinence.
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re: the pregnancy issue....
i read about THIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episiotomy) the other day, and immediately thought "damn, i'm glad i'm a guy!"
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What if you had a child with a wicked blue-in-one-eye-brown-in-the-other deal?
I had a mate who was like that. We kept making jokes like "That tie matches your eye, but not the other one" which neither we nor him found amusing.
He was a right sinister fucker too, like a Bond villain with a sense of humour
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re: the pregnancy issue....
i read about THIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episiotomy) the other day, and immediately thought "damn, i'm glad i'm a guy!"
Episiotomies are actually a pretty crap procedure. They talk about some of the problems with them in that Wikipedia page, but I've heard that they also slow healing post birth. They seem like something to be avoided at all costs, unfortunately I know a person or two who requested specifically to NOT have it performed, but the doctor did it anyway.
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If health class was accurate (and it might not have been, knowing our health classes) generally a woman is in enough pain during childbirth that she doesn't really notice the episiotomy being performed.
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I know a person or two who requested specifically to NOT have it performed, but the doctor did it anyway.
I'm pretty sure that should be against some sort of law. Isn't the patient supposed to have final say on anything being done to them?
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re: the pregnancy issue....
i read about THIS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episiotomy) the other day, and immediately thought "damn, i'm glad i'm a guy!"
Man, you're gonna love your colonoscopies.
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i've been terrified of being pregnant as long as i can remember, to the point where i feel like it must be some kind of phobia or something.
Don't know what you'd call that one, but there's a similar phobia called Tokophobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokophobia).
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Hey dog, colonoscopies are for both genders who are 50 years or older. You're probably thinking of a rectal exam for checking the prostate.
But still, like, seriously? If you are a dude you get a thumb up your butt once in a while. Compare this to menstruating, pelvic exams, pregnancy, childbirth, mammograms, menopause, etc.
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No no, I've had a colonoscopy to check for cancer, with the anaesthesia and the snakelight camera and everything, and I'm 22. It is unpleasant.
Not as unpleasant as kidney stone surgery, though. I've heard several women say it's worse than childbirth in their experience. THAT sucked.
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You can't eat for what, 36 hours, and have to take stuff that makes you get rid of everything in your system? My parents both had theirs within a month of each other this year. They basically just called a bathroom for a day which we weren't allowed to use for 8 hours or so.
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Yeah. It's actually a lot less unpleasant than it used to be. When my mom got hers (also about my age, colon cancer runs in my family maybe?) back in the 70s they had her drink 2 fucking gallons of Milk of Magnesia in a day. For those of you who've never had it, it's a thick, chalky white mixture of salts and oils that clears out your innards. It's gag-inducing to say the least.
When I had mine I just had to ingest 12 cups of water mixed with a chemical that made it slightly more viscous than normal but didn't change the taste.
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Not wanting to talk shit*, I have one thing to say, this is the greatest thread in the whole world.
*See what I did thar?
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Heh, my mom got one done in Luxembourg, and they drugged her up real good to do it (understandable!). So for the next several hours after the procedure, she would just say the funniest shit.
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Yeah. It's actually a lot less unpleasant than it used to be. When my mom got hers (also about my age, colon cancer runs in my family maybe?) back in the 70s they had her drink 2 fucking gallons of Milk of Magnesia in a day.
Ah! I have heard of this shit, and... ah! Still, fuck childbirth even compared to that. Not that I've done it but it varies a lot and is a lot more pleasant/unpleasant for some women than others.
I know a person or two who requested specifically to NOT have it performed, but the doctor did it anyway.
I'm pretty sure that should be against some sort of law. Isn't the patient supposed to have final say on anything being done to them?
Yeah probably, but how you gonna prove it? Shit like this is part of why I am absolutely unwilling to give birth (if circumstances changed such that I would do such a thing) in a hospital unless I'm going to die.
I mean I have a bit of a phobia of having someone else have control of my body/not having control myself in any circumstances anyway, hence the horror at the idea of being forced to keep a pregnancy (again with that I'd rather die than be forced against my will to bear a child) and doubly so in the case of doctors giving me drugs I don't want/making me give birth in a position I don't want to, etc etc.
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I guess you would have to ask with witnesses, or when they hand you the paperwork with anything they should know, insist on not having one. Then, if the doctor did anyway, you would have witnesses or written proof, to sue them/have them charged with.
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I don't know eh. I've not heard of it in New Zealand but I have a fair amount in the US and from what I've gathered childbirth with no free healthcare can get pretty expensive as it is, let alone suing on top of it. Unfortunately I am low on facts. :P
I don't know, I don't really care how rare it is, the slightest chance is too much for me (I sort of envisage an "it's for their own good" argument and that's the end of that).
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Hospitals lie about their procedures in paperwork all the time, so don't think you'll find evidence there. They'll probably charge you for things you didn't receive.
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I dunno, I've got a few relatives in the medical field who have dealt with kidney stone patients on a regular basis and "That was the worst thing ever" is an extremely common refrain. My mother believes it was WAY worse than giving birth, and when she had me it ended being a complicated, extended delivery that went from "We may have to do a c-section," to "Holy shit, we NEED to do a c-section," and an extended stay in the hospital for both of us.
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I dunno, I've got a few relatives in the medical field who have dealt with kidney stone patients on a regular basis and "That was the worst thing ever" is an extremely common refrain. My mother believes it was WAY worse than giving birth, and when she had me it ended being a complicated, extended delivery that went from "We may have to do a c-section," to "Holy shit, we NEED to do a c-section," and an extended stay in the hospital for both of us.
My sister-in-law has had both kidney stones and a child and according to her the childbirth was much more painful.
I've had 9 or 10 kidney stones. I really can't remember the number, it's all become a blur. Of those I've had maybe 6 or 7 lithotripsies (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/007113.htm), one passed on it's own, and one basket retrieval. The first lithotripsy was done without general anesthesia and sucked a lot even with the morphine they gave me. With the others and the basket retrieval I was well into la-la land and don't remember any of it.
I've also had an endoscopy and a colonoscopy. Neither of those were bad. The worse part about the colonoscopy was the prep work. There's a whole lot of laxatives involved. In both cases I was again put in la-la land and don't remember the procedure itself.
What you want to avoid is a cystocopy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cystoscopy). When I had mine I only received some topical numbing agent and the application of that was painful.
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Hospitals lie about their procedures in paperwork all the time, so don't think you'll find evidence there. They'll probably charge you for things you didn't receive.
Unless they have new medical procedures, it would be difficult to hide scars of an epi... that surgery that I can't remember how to spell. You suggesting they would hide that part of the paperwork? I suppose it could happen, but if evidence was found of some paperwork going missing that someone claims had a request on it that was ignored, that could look very bad. Remember, this is the country where someone successfully sued McDonalds for the coffee being hot. Might not be so easy in New Zealand.
If a "It's for their own good" argument won out in court, saying that doctors could do what they felt like they should to the patients, even against explicit requests, on no authority but their own, you have bigger problems than the convalescence period. That's a sign of an incoming dystopia.
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Remember, this is the country where someone successfully sued McDonalds for the coffee being hot.
The coffee was served at 190 degrees Fahrenheit, a good 20 degrees hotter than most coffee is served at. Stella Liebeck suffered third degree burns to her legs, thighs, butt, and groin in a matter of seconds. She was in the hospital for a week where she lost 30 pounds(she started at 118), had to have skin grafts, and further treatment for two years.
99.9% of hot coffee suits are thrown out. Hers was not.
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My sister was 13 hours of labor ending in a c-section.
I was born in 24 minutes. No joke. My mom asked for drugs so she wouldn't feel the birth and the doctor handed her a baby.
Also, didn't Jack Thompson try to have a hot coffee law suit?
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Remember, this is the country where someone successfully sued McDonalds for the coffee being hot.
The coffee was served at 190 degrees Fahrenheit, a good 20 degrees hotter than most coffee is served at. Stella Liebeck suffered third degree burns to her legs, thighs, butt, and groin in a matter of seconds. She was in the hospital for a week where she lost 30 pounds(she started at 118), had to have skin grafts, and further treatment for two years.
99.9% of hot coffee suits are thrown out. Hers was not.
While that does suck, from what I could tell (wikipedia), her lawyer argued that it should have been cool enough that it would have caused those burns within 20 seconds, rather than 13-15 (though apparently someone proved that the temperature given wouldn't have had that effect). She was in the coffee for 90 seconds (it soaked into her sweatpants). What I don't understand is how something hot enough to cause burns on flesh wouldn't have the same effect on the mouth flesh. I know I have had a funny feeling in my mouth, like I had burned it slightly, for a day or so after drinking something hot, but I didn't need skin grafts on my tongue. Does the temperature drop off rapidly?
Still, I would say that someone who had had an operation performed on them without their consent, and indeed against their explicit request, would have an even better case than she did.
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I think tounge tissue heals a lot faster than regular skin, if that makes a difference
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i think i was also born in something ridiculous like 13 or 14 hours too. my mom liked to remind me of this every birthday when i was still living in markham. like, going through the entire day from morning to night, pretending it was the same day. "oh, at this point my water broke and we left for the hospital" "at this point i was still in the hospital!" "at this point i would have been in the hospital for 10 hours!" okay i am sorry that it was the worst thing I GET IT
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And look at all of the trouble you are Tania. Clearly you were a problem child from the beginning
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it is okay, because since then i have made up for it by becoming the boy they always wanted
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My mother says the same kind of stuff too, except the length of time involved in the labor keeps getting longer, particularly if I had upset her recently. I have no idea how long the ordeal actually lasted, but to hear my mother tell it, the labor is up to around 70 hours now. I'm pretty certain that soon there will be a blue ox and roping tornados involved.
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The last two poops I did I thought about this thread. The state of this is ridiculous!
I also thought about a chainmail that I'd recieved many moons ago (back when the internet meant chain jokes and hotmail) And used to be stuck on the wall in front of our toilet. We thought it was hilarious.
The Poopie List
Ghost Poopie
The kind where you feel the poopie come out, but there is no poopie in the toilet.
Clean Poopie
The kind where you poopie it out, see it in the toilet, but there is nothing on the toilet paper.
Wet Poopie
The kind where you wipe your butt 50 times and it still feels unwiped, so you have to put some toilet paper between your butt and underwear so you won't ruin them with a stain.
Second Wave Poopie
This happens when you're done Poopie-ing and you've pulled up your pants to your knees, and you realize that you have to Poopie some more.
Pop-A-Vein-In-Your-Forehead-Poopie
The kind where you strain so much to get it out, you practically have a stroke.
Gassy Poopie
It's so noisy, everyone within earshot is laughing.
Drinker Poopie
The kind of Poopie you have the morning after a long night of drinking. Its most noticeable trait is the skid marks on the bottom of the toilet.
Lincoln Log Poopie
The kind of Poopie that is so huge you're afraid to flush without first breaking it into little pieces with the toilet brush.
Corn Poopie
Self-explanatory.
Gee-I-Wish-I-Could-Poopie Poopie
The kind where you want to Poopie but all you do is sit on the toilet and fart a few times.
Spinal Tap Poopie
That's where it hurts so badly coming out, you would swear it was leaving you sideways.
Wet Cheeks Poopie (The Power Dump)
The kind that comes out of your butt so fast, your butt gets splashed with water.
Liquid Poopie
The kind where yellowish-brown liquid shoots out your butt and splashes all over the toilet bowl.
Mexican Poopie
It smells so bad your nose burns.
The Surprise Poopie
You're not even at the toilet because you are sure you're about to fart, but oops.......a Poopie!!!
The Dangling Poopie
This Poopie refuses to drop into the toilet even though you know you are done Poopie-ing it. You just pray that a shake or two will cut it loose.
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What is this Ali?
What is it?
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The Surprise Poopie
You're not even at the toilet because you are sure you're about to fart, but oops.......a Poopie!!!
I had that poopie when I was little, often in my babysitter's bathroom. This was around the same time that I used toothpaste for soap.
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also known as 'sharting'
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I've read it so many time that the word "poopie" it now means nothing to me
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i think i was also born in something ridiculous like 13 or 14 hours too. my mom liked to remind me of this every birthday when i was still living in markham. like, going through the entire day from morning to night, pretending it was the same day. "oh, at this point my water broke and we left for the hospital" "at this point i was still in the hospital!" "at this point i would have been in the hospital for 10 hours!" okay i am sorry that it was the worst thing I GET IT
Heh, my mom gives me the story of my birth every year as well.
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I've only been told vaguely about my birth (I suspect my mom might've been trying to suppress it), and it involved about 24 excrutiating hours of labour, before they decided that a c-section was in order, which basically scares the crap out of me, but not enough to never want to get pregnant, I think (and I do have younger brothers, so I guess it wasn't so bad that she never wanted to repeat it). My science teacher in high school's long-winded explanation of the grossness of child birth and how "and THEN, once the entire thing was over and I could finally look again, the nurse wanted me to cut the cord, and I almost passed out" sort of made me a skeptic, though, because he basically made it sound hellish, and that was just from a guy's point of view. But, uhm, I'm pretty sure I still want kids. The idea of pregnancy is sort of freaky, but yeah.
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lol Yay childbirth! I don't really see the point in comparing what is worse, something's always worse anyway.
I was an accident and my mother was young and easily led so she let the drs do whatever they liked and was drugged up to the 9s the whole time. Basically wasn't there for my birth. Haha. My brother (14 years younger than me, also an accident because she thought she was sterile) was a home birth but she almost had to go to hospital because her cervix took forever to dilate. Eugh. The rest went pretty smoothly but y'know, that is the painful bit... was pretty cool with the birthing pool and stuff, much more pleasant than a hospital. :P
My sister (16 years younger than me) was gonna be a home birth but mum had to be induced so hospital for her. Quite nice though because they have a midwife-y section to the hospital and the dr was pretty much only there to induce her and apparently had to get step-by-step intructions from the nurse. :P
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I have two younger sisters and each birth was easier than the previous. Hardly surprising, since that's how it always is, but what amuses me is just how wide a range we're talking about here. Like, I was 24 hours of labor while my youngest sister popped out while my dad had gone back outside to pay the cab.
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Speaking of childbirth, have you heard the news 'bout orgasmic childbirth? (http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/?last_story=/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2008/12/12/orgasmic_birth/)
"All of a sudden the orgasm just started rolling through and rolling through, and it just kept coming, and my whole body was spiraling and rolling, and I was laughing and crying."
"It was happening, and I could hardly breathe, and it was like, 'oh, that feels good.' That's all I could say really."
Dr. Christiane Northrup, a certified OB-GYN who appears in the film, explains, "When the baby's coming down the birth canal, remember, it's going through the exact same positions as something going in, the penis going into the vagina."
REVERSE CHILDBIRTH DICKINGS?
Apparently the chemicals the brain releases during childbirth are similar in chemical makeup to ecstasy. One has to wonder, from an evolutionary standpoint, whether that is "intentional" (air quotes because intention implies design). You can look at, say, all the nerve endings in the genitalia and come to the conclusion that they're there as encouragement for reproduction - making babies feels good. But it only feels good all of the time (or at least, a vast majority of the time) for males. Females sometimes don't reach climax but still participate in the process of conception. Why is that? Perhaps the function of the clitoris is to ease childbirth? I don't think this phenomena is common enough to support that idea. Or maybe it's more common than we think. I'd think most people wouldn't want to talk about the birth of their children and mention the mind-blowing orgasms they had during delivery.
This thread is truly the final frontier.
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Yes. It is supposedly kind of rare, because I have never heard anyone talk about it in person, but then again most of the people I know who have gone through childbirth are people like my mom and she doesn't talk about things like that.
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I have read about it, but I've also seen it discussed on a forum with a fairly high number of mothers, and the overall response was "Nope. Not seeing how that can possibly happen. Not at all.", so I'm also thinking it's super rare.
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Hrrm, hum.
These sorts of things never usually bother me, but the last 2 pages of this thread have made me queasy/nauseous.
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Then something has been achieved here! :lol:
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I think its much more a psychological thing when it comes to the birthgasms. Moms recall tales of how painful childbirth is (and seriously, it sounds painful when told) to their children, so the children of course have that in the back of their minds when they are older and having children. They are thinking "oh my god this is going to hurt so bad" and so they feel the pain.
The last girlfriend I had was stuck thinking that she didn't enjoy sex, so she never did. She enjoyed other stuff down there, but not actual sex, because, and this is what she told me: "my first time didn't feel good so it's never felt good." If you believe something won't feel good for a long time, clearly when it happens you'll feel pain. But if you don't know... it might feel good.
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Uhm, I'm pretty sure squeezing a baby through ones vagina is going to hurt whether or not one goes into the whole thing thinking "This is going to hurt so bad". Sure, the state of mind might influence the overall experience and how one handles the pain, but still. Pain. Lots of it.
(Well, I know of people who have had super fast 2nd or 3rd births that they say didn't hurt so badly, but I'm thinking this might be compared to the previous ones.)
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Well, yeah, clearly it will hurt, but I think going into it thinking that its going to hurt a lot more makes it hurt more. If you think that you always throw up when you fly in a plane, you will then throw up when you fly in a plane. That's how your mind works. You can condition it to think a certain way.
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something that actually happens quite often is that women forgot about a large part of the childbirth experience, so although they recall it as having been terrible they can't actually remember the exact event from moment to moment. from an evolutionary standpoint, this occurs so that women will want to keep having kids because if they could remember in excruciating detail how horrible it was the first time it occurred, they probably wouldn't want to ever get pregnant again.
fun fact! one of my housemates saw her mom give birth to her sister because her mom thought it would be the sort of thing that was wonderful and educational for her (her parents are really excellent though, just weird sometimes). i think she was maybe 7 or 8 years old at the time. so of course she saw the whole thing including her mom crying and screaming at the nurses and the whole thing with the baby and was essentially reduced to a trembling ball in the corner. the doctors tried to comfort her by saying this was something kids weren't really supposed to ever see and she was very brave.
so, her mom forgot most of the experience and only vaguely recalls it as having been painful, but of course my housemate has the whole thing stamped in her memory in detail and now, like me, has a massive phobia of having kids as a result of this experience. at least i'm not alone.
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Well, yeah, clearly it will hurt, but I think going into it thinking that its going to hurt a lot more makes it hurt more. If you think that you always throw up when you fly in a plane, you will then throw up when you fly in a plane. That's how your mind works. You can condition it to think a certain way.
Yeah, I would doubt that has much to do with it in this case. You're dilating your cervix, which usually sits pretty much closed, to 8 or so cm (or 4"). It's like stretching out one of your other muscles to 10x it's normal size by constant cramping and relaxing. It does vary a lot, but I think the fear of pain has little to do with it in this instance.
Pain from sex is going to affected more psychologically because if you're uncomfortable/nervous you're not going to produce as much lubricant and/or you nervousness can directly result in tightening the muscles of your vagina which won't help.
I am dubious about attributing mystery-sex-pain to being "in their head" though because women can have pretty horrendous health problems that even some doctors ignore because they don't understand it and some women can't have penetrative sex for years, if ever, because of it. :(
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something that actually happens quite often is that women forgot about a large part of the childbirth experience, so although they recall it as having been terrible they can't actually remember the exact event from moment to moment.
This happens with most things that cause extreme pain. My arm went through a window once, gashing my shoulder, upper and lower arms, and my hand..(I got about 78 stitches in all.) I remember looking down and seeing it, but I don't remember it actually happening..so I'm not really sure that it has anything in particular to do with pregnancy and childbirth. I think it's a common experience when you get a lot of pain and, consequently, adrenaline, pumping through your body.
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Yeah your body doesn't want you to remember that shit! ...you got pictures? :-o
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The thing about it is that it wasn't sex-pain. She just didn't enjoy it. She would do it for the guy only, 6 different guys and she never enjoyed it.
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Ah, that sucks. It's a hard one though, those mental blocks can be pretty rigid. :|
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Did you do that on purpose?
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I almost took my toe off my running into a door. Very hard. I didn't know my toe was hurting. My head was hurting too bad for me to notice that my toe was bleeding and hanging off. My head didn't even hurt that bad.
Perhaps your body takes care of the more important places first? Head, heart, etc.
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Did you do that on purpose?
Ah ha, no. Seriously no. :-P
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Perhaps your body takes care of the more important places first? Head, heart, etc.
it does! i head heard about how your body prioritizes when it comes to healing but didn't actually witness this until a friend of mine got hit a car a few years ago while riding his bike. he was okay for the most part, just scratched up pretty bad on his head and arms and hands. anyway, for the next few weeks all the cuts on his head healed first followed by the ones on his hands and arms which basically didn't even start healing until the ones on his head were nearly done. i mean, it still sucked that he got injured and all but seeing that happen in real time was pretty much the coolest thing ever.
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That is pretty interesting. I wonder if that affects healing time in general, not just healing time relative to other injuries. You know, like the body may divert more resources to patching up various areas more quickly just in general. I had a friend who was also involved in a bike accident; he wasn't hit by a car or anything, but he had some cuts and some rather severe road rash on his face, but it healed up amazingly quickly. It would make sense in light of how much sheer blood flow there is in your face; the skin around there is rather vascular.
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It might not have as much to do with the body's prioritization so much as the tissue itself, and its use. I know lots of stories about eyebrow piercings healing over in a day or less and having to be redone. Leg, back and hip injuries take so long to heal not because they're low priority, but because those parts of the body bear weight, which complicates the healing process significantly.