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Fun Stuff => BAND => Topic started by: Exarzun on 15 Dec 2008, 14:45
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So I recently picked up the two Bear vs Shark albums and I just can't stop listening to them, so if you guys have any more great postrock bands in that vein I'd appreciate hearing em.
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Another thread looking for post-rock recommendations.
And again, I point them to http://www.thesirenssound.com
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So, are all those sirensound posts albums that have recently come out? Because there are so damn many, it is surprising. They don't have anything on any bands I have looked up, though. Do they only do unknown bands?
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They don't do really well known bands, becasue of copyright issues and the fact that you can probably buy the more well known albums for yourself.
Oh yeah, top right, there is a link to "MONO". Get all of it. ALL OF IT! They're the best. There's my recommendation.
Also, in situations like this, I often find that this is appropriate:
SLINT
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Caspian is a good band. Also Sleepmakeswaves put out a CD this year that's pretty good.
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Pelican is post-rock/metal, but their first two albums and their self-title EP are quite excellent. Best is their first full length, Australasia, which makes excellent use of crushing riffs and major keys.
Godspeed You Black Emperor! is quite an excellent band, as is Sigur Ros. They are famous for a reason.
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Well, originally there was a blogspot, which got taken down for unknown reasons and then squatted on by someone from 4chan. So a lot of what's going on right now is him re-posting all the stuff that was lost when his blog died. But he does post a large amount of stuff, including the bigger acts. There's also some math/indie/stoner stuff...if it's vaguely post-rock in some really far-fetched way, he will probably put it up.
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I second Sigur Ros.
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Ef are basically the best post-rock band you can ever find.
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Bear vs Shark
Dogg they are post-hardcore, not post rock. Big difference. If you want post hardcore, all I can say is spin drive like jehu.
Also I've written numerous posts in these types of threads on good post rock bands. Here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,20889.msg694105.html#msg694105) and here (http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,20594.msg679632.html#msg679632) are my recommendations. If you want something different, my newest obsession is Neil on Impression. Very melodic and flowly music. But a tad busy. Oh well, its never overwhelmingly busy. Perhaps one day I'll just write a big fat thing about post-rock music and just post that.
And SirensSound is the best post-rock blog. Ever.
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Ef are basically the best post-rock band you can ever find.
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Bear vs Shark
I love how no one noticed this but Sean.
As far as post-hardcore goes Sean's got it down. Drive Like Jehu are great (you might also want to check out Hot Snakes if you like that), Hot Cross, At the Drive-In are pretty alright, Fucked Up are pretty awesome, as are North of America.
So there, some starters.
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Mono, particularly You Are There. And of course the classic Explosions in the Sky. Anything by them is great, but I particularly like All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone.
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I consider bands like Rodan and June of 44 to be the point where post-rock and post-hardcore intersect. Both bands are a little Slinty and had the same guitarist in it, but if you enjoy intricate and soft-to-intricate and loud guitar-ing and semi-screamy vocals, you will do fine with both bands.
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Mogwai are pretty good. Sounding like an evil cousin to Sigur Ros
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guys this isn't really a post-rock thread and if it were it would be redundant so don't make it a post-rock thread k
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I also forgot This Will Destroy You. Particularly the album with the song "Com" on it. It's 20 minutes of awesomeness.
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HOPE OF THE STATES.
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Bear vs Shark
I love how no one noticed this but Sean.
As far as post-hardcore goes Sean's got it down. Drive Like Jehu are great (you might also want to check out Hot Snakes if you like that), Hot Cross, At the Drive-In are pretty alright, Fucked Up are pretty awesome, as are North of America.
So there, some starters.
Seconding all those suggestions and adding: These Arms Are Snakes, the Casket Lottery, and the Vermicious Knid.
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Post-hardcore is essentially the best genre ever.
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In the mid to late 90s everyone did call June of 44 and such bands "post-rock".
Why do we need to invent new genres all the time. June of 44 and Mono can both be post-rock in the same way that the Beatles and the Stones can both be rock. Jeez. What's next, are we going to retroactively call Slint "post-metal"?
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No, I'm pretty sure we're going to call Slint "Listen to them, you cunts!"
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I think that's Sloan you're thinking of.
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I also forgot This Will Destroy You. Particularly the album with the song "Com" on it. It's 20 minutes of awesomeness.
You are making me cringe so hard it is so very disturbing.
Oh and on a post-hardcore note the Blood Brothers album ...Burn, Piano Island, Burn is very good.
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Fear Before The March Of Flames! Get The Always Open Mouth immediately. I see These Arms Are Snakes and raise you the Blood Brothers.
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I also forgot This Will Destroy You. Particularly the album with the song "Com" on it. It's 20 minutes of awesomeness.
You are making me cringe so hard it is so very disturbing.
Haha oops. Still a great band, and a great song thats by MONO. I tend to mix up post-rock bands occasionally :|
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Fear Before The March Of Flames! Get The Always Open Mouth immediately.
I heard that band once. I thought they were absolutely god-awful.
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Their name itself is god-awful.
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I can't recommend This Will Destroy You enough. Beautiful and haunting.
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Do Make Say Think, Tortoise, and Mice Parade are my favorites.
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Thanks for the recommendations, most of them are now on my 'list'.
Also, fuck the label. I guess I should have called this thread 'Good bands that people who really really really like Bear vs Chark will like?'.
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In the mid to late 90s everyone did call June of 44 and such bands "post-rock".
Why do we need to invent new genres all the time. June of 44 and Mono can both be post-rock in the same way that the Beatles and the Stones can both be rock. Jeez. What's next, are we going to retroactively call Slint "post-metal"?
Actually, that's a genre already, if you can believe it.
Explosions in the Sky, while a pretty mainstream suggestion, is a pretty important one, too. Check them out.
Cue, Mogwai, If These Trees Could Talk, Red Sparowes, The American Dollar, Parabstruse, and Pg. Lost are all interesting. Give them a shot, and if you need help finding them, PM me.
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I think that's Sloan you're thinking of.
Whoops, you're right. I don't listen to either.
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Why haven't Belle Orchestre or KC Accidental been listed yet?
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Because they're not exactly post-rock or post-hardcore?
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They are post-rock bands. If the guy wants post-rock bands, we give him post-rock bands.
Why the hell are post-hardcore bands being mentioned?
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Because the first band he mentioned was a post-hardcore band.
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Maybe we should give him post rock bands anyway.
Never mind.
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Call it prog! You're fooling noone with the post rock label.
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wat
(http://blogs.laweekly.com/play/2008/06/13/Rush-band-1978.jpg)
Fig. 1: Prog
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/79/238400989_54660e98e6.jpg)
Fig 2: Not Prog
(okay, the long-haired bassist in the Shipping News may be a bit misleading, but regardless)
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So post rock is just prog played by younger people
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Except not. Otherwise, you've just about got it.
Seriously, show me one post rock band that fits the description of prog. And then show me some more, because I'm sure there is at least one, there are enough bands out there.
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Godspeed You! Black Emperor has a bit of prog in their sound, I think. I don't listen to them, so I cannot say for sure, but I think I was told so.
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Both post-rock and prog are pretty nebulous terms anyway? The sheer stylistic range of bands that fit into either genre makes it a pretty moot point?
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I am in fact wearing a sleepmakeswaves t-shirt right now.
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Godspeed You! Black Emperor has a bit of prog in their sound, I think.
Not at all. They're pretty firmly rooted in Classical music, whether intentionally or not. They use very traditional Classical structure, melody and counterpoint and such.
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Except not. Otherwise, you've just about got it.
Seriously, show me one post rock band that fits the description of prog. And then show me some more, because I'm sure there is at least one, there are enough bands out there.
Sigour Ros, I don't know about the others and I don't want to.
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How the cock are Sigur Ros prog? Bowed guitar along does not prog make.
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Whale noises and ten minute long songs thats how
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Sigur Ros aren't proggy either. Do you people even know what you're talking about? Jesus.
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Whale noises and ten minute long songs thats how
That's not prog, that's just pretentious art-fuckery, which is not specific to any genre.
BTW, I love me some Sigur Ros, because I am a pretentious art fuck.
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All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone by Explosions in the Sky
Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven by Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Young Team by Mogwai
( ) by Sigur Ros
Note: Meš Suš Ķ Eyrum Viš Spilum Endalaust works. Was the first CD I got by them and I enjoyed it.
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The lastest Maserati album Inventions for the New Season is pretty good, and it's said to be proggy, though I don't really know what that means.
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Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven by Explosions in the Sky
This is actually by Godspeed You! Black Emperor. I'm only correcting you because i made a similar mistake earlier in this thread :wink:
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Now hang on a second - I don't think you guys are being fair to this eddie chap.
What are the actual specific differences between prog and post-rock?
They both have long songs, lenthy instrumentals, jams, a lot of live recording, bowed guitars, etc. But what are the differences, other than one is cooler than the other at the moment? I mean, listening to the bands from each it's extremely easy to tell the difference, but I couldn't for the life of you write it down, and I plan on making a living doing such things.
So how about we stop shoving our knowledge in people's faces and help each other out here, in the spirit of the season.
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I can try to put it into words.
Prog that I have heard seems to be more complex at any given time. Post can be complex over the course of the song, but tends to be much simpler in any sample of the song that you might hear.
That's the best way that I can put it, and I'm sure there are flaws, but I think it's better than not being able to put it into words at all.
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From a simply music history perspective, Prog developed in the 60's and 70's when artists began to bring more classical, jazz, and world music influences to the rock music they played, and was also heavily influenced by psychedelia. I would imagine that much of the music we call prog today is either from this period or influenced by the artists of this period. The Post-rock that we know today grew more out of the the post-hardcore and indie rock traditions of the late 80's.
I agree with what Nodaisho stated above me, and I think this may be partially due to the fact that many bands classified as post-rock seem to be more concerned with texture and timbre than bands classified as prog.
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I appreciate your efforts, but basically, in short, the answer is 'hardly any real difference at all, actually.' At least not quantifiably.
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What people used to call "math rock" in the 90s/00s (Polvo, Chavez, 90 Day Men, early Built to Spill, etc.) is much closer to prog than any post-rock. Funky time signatures, weird chords, angular riffs, etc. Most modern post-rock uses very simple, basic chords and melodies to create an overall mood rather than having any one bit of the song stand out.
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Bingo. Of course, there will be parts of post-rock songs that stand out, that is going to happen unless you do something ridiculously plain and boring, the same chord over and over at the same length for the entirety of the song.
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Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven by Explosions in the Sky
This is actually by Godspeed You! Black Emperor. I'm only correcting you because i made a similar mistake earlier in this thread :wink:
Oops. Oh well I fixed my post. Stupid mistake but I think we'll all get over it.
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I'll try my hand at distinguishing between Prog and Post rock.
Firstly, we must not forget that Post rock is strongly influenced by Progressive rock which, by necessity, makes Post rock and Prog rock share several musical elements.
However, to listen to both genres, one detects a distinct difference. While Progressive rock likes to play with conventional song structure, and draws much of its musical inspiration from jazz and freeform styles of music, Post rock seems to (by and large, I recognize that there are exceptions) take its melodic inspiration from later styles, like punk (and its offshoots), metal, and shoegazer. Progressive rock, while undoubtedly branching off from conventional rock, tends to use modest guitar tones, which put an emphasis on the clarity of the guitar sound. This is mostly because Prog focuses on complex, difficult styles of guitar playing, that are meant to be representative of the player's ability. Post rock does not necessarily use complex guitarwork - in fact, most bands of the genre use a riff structure, as opposed to the solo structure approach of Prog. Additionally, virtually all Post rock bands make heavy use of guitar effects, and stray to the emotive side of the scale (in effect, sacrificing complexity for emotional atmosphere).
Granted, these differences may seem semantic and picky, but the difference is quite obvious to anyone who devotes time listening to both genres.
Hope that helps.
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Hey, you can download Sydney post-rock lovelies sleepmakeswaves (http://www.myspace.com/sleepmakeswaves)' EP In Today Already Walks Tomorrow for free here (http://www.archive.org/details/LostChildren059) or here (http://beta.legaltorrents.com/torrents/325-059---sleepmakeswaves---in-today-already-walks-tomorrow).
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while the moaning about prog vs post rock has subsided im going to toss out a few names,
worlds end girlfriend
up dharma down
yndi halda
65daysofstatic
all pretty decent post-rock bands but I want to know what others think of them.
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I think the bowed guitar makes the whale sounds. o0.
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Yndi Halda and 65dos are both pretty awesome. Don't know the other two, haven't checked Sirenssound in a while.
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has Rururu been mentioned yet?
if not, i am very disappointed in all of you.
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worlds end girlfriend
yndi halda
65daysofstatic
These are all excellent bands! I don't know about up dharma down though, I've never heard of them. And Ru Ru Ru kicks ass.
Dimmukane pick up the World's End Girlfriend and Mono collaboration. It's fucking boss.
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worlds end girlfriend
yndi halda
65daysofstatic
These are all excellent bands! I don't know about up dharma down though, I've never heard of them. And Ru Ru Ru kicks ass.
Dimmukane pick up the World's End Girlfriend and Mono collaboration. It's fucking boss.
up dharma down are a weird band to try and classify, the more I look into them the less i know where they fit. however they are most certainly worth checking out.
as for the collaboration yes it bloody well is.
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Is it in the mediafire thread? Or on iTunes? I have an iTunes gift card and I have no idea what to buy that I don't already have.
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Actually it is in the mediafire thread. I had to dig a little but it came up!
http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,19792.msg590276.html#msg590276
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So umm...allmusic states Fugazi as a post-hardcore band. If this is the case, then why the fuck has no one mentioned their album 13 Songs? "The Waiting Room" has to be one of my all-time favorite songs.
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Man, 13 Songs is a good album but it is by far their weakest overall. Try In On The Kill Taker.
FYP
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13 Songs has "Margin Walker" which is the most awesome song ever, though.
But their best album is easily Red Medicine. Get with it, people.
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Irregardless, Fugazi is a fucking awesome band that requires listening. I hope that can be agreed upon...
and spellchecker counts irregardless as a word :-D
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13 Songs has "Margin Walker" which is the most awesome song ever, though.
But their best album is easily Red Medicine. Get with it, people.
So easily.
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Irregardless, Fugazi is a fucking awesome band that requires listening. I hope that can be agreed upon...
and spellchecker counts irregardless as a word :-D
Spellchecker is wrong. Use logic.
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Grails. The sickest, hardrockin' post-rock band out there, IMO.
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holy shit i forgot about Grails
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Man for some reason, I can never get into Grails. What am I doing wrong guys?
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did you listen to the song "Reincarnation Blues" on Doomsdayer's Holiday?
if not, that might explain it because that song is fucking sweet.
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Grails are great but they're pretty far from the "hardest rocking" post-rock band. A lot of their stuff is downright mellow, such as pretty much the entirety of Take Refuge in Clean Living.
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Nobody's mentioned A Silver Mt. Zion yet? :-P
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The one thing I've surmised from this thread is that Fugazi never made anything except amazing albums.
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Destroyalldreamers is a good band that i had completely forgetton about until yesterday.
check it out.
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EVERYONE GO DOWNLOAD
RISE SOUL OF THE PHOENIX'S "RELEASE THE DRONES" FROM THE mediaf!re THREAD RIGHT NOW
it's like 65daysofstatic and grails had a baby.
a super baby that can fly and shoot lasers out of its eyes
EDITED: i guess i just subconsciously decided that "rise of the phoenix" sounds so much more rad than "soul"
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damnit, jackie. now my tongue hurts!
...because i stepped on it.
...because it was hanging out of my mouth.
...because "release the drones" is so fucking sweet.
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EVERYONE GO DOWNLOAD RISE OF THE PHOENIX'S "RELEASE THE DRONES" FROM THE mediaf!re THREAD RIGHT NOW
it's like 65daysofstatic and grails had a baby.
a super baby that can fly and shoot lasers out of its eyes
u mean soul of the phoenix, right? but yeah, that album is the absolute tits, it's been getting some heavy listenage here!
also, i'm totally gonna work on getting more Fugazi albums, i've got 13 songs and repeater+3, and although the vocals are a bit of an acquired taste, they're both pretty solid.
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God is an Astronaut and Tortoise have been tragically overlooked in this thread.
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No, we just linked to places where people could get that stuff instead of mentioning it by name.
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I'm going to go ahead and shoot the elephant in the room here and say that Tortoise are incredibly overrated.
Wait! I really, really enjoy their first three albums, BUT! In the greater context of my musical library/listening experience, they are, in retrospect, one of those bands that was great at the time but who, after over a decade, have become a band I consider more "influential" or "name-dropped" than flat-out good.
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So I just unearthed a fucking gem out from the unplumbed depths of my collection (I often get music that I don't end up listening to until weeks or months later). "Bad Vibrations" by My Education is some of the best post-rock I've ever heard in my life. To the mediaf!re thread!
(I did a search and it turns out that mberan mentioned this album in a previous "recommend post-rock" thread as well.)
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I'm going to go ahead and shoot the elephant in the room here and say that Tortoise are incredibly overrated.
Wait! I really, really enjoy their first three albums, BUT! In the greater context of my musical library/listening experience, they are, in retrospect, one of those bands that was great at the time but who, after over a decade, have become a band I consider more "influential" or "name-dropped" than flat-out good.
They are still incredible to see live, though.
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13 Songs has "Margin Walker" which is the most awesome song ever, though.
But their best album is easily Red Medicine. Get with it, people.
picked up Red Medicine. shit's GOOOOOOOOOOOD.
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So I just unearthed a fucking gem out from the unplumbed depths of my collection (I often get music that I don't end up listening to until weeks or months later). "Bad Vibrations" by My Education is some of the best post-rock I've ever heard in my life. To the mediaf!re thread!
This.
THIS SHIT.
RIGHT HERE, PEOPLE.
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Mono
Worlds End Girlfriend
This Will Destroy You
and of course
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
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AFter last week's show I think God Is An Astronaut is possibly going to be my favourite post-rock band.
It was beautiful, emotional and downright unsettlingly earthshatteringly loud.
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Is it possible for one post to undo all the Godspeed recommendations? Because they are seriously bad. Also all GYBE side projects suck (glaring at you, ASMZ). Also1! Yndi Halda are shit but I don't know if anyone's rec-d them yet. Just cancelling them out in case someone has.
Seconding Destroyalldreamers, despite the lack of spaces in the name they've done some pretty awesome.
Otherwise I just listen to all the classics. You only need so much 8 minute long songs with quiet/loud dynamics and the like before you've heard them all.
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Oh man do I love over-generalizing!
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Is it possible for one post to undo all the Godspeed recommendations? Because they are seriously bad. Also all GYBE side projects suck (glaring at you, ASMZ).
Fail.
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Incorrect
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hey, not everyone loves listening to eight minutes of silence followed by a single violin note, okay? so, for those people, GYBE sucks (hint: i am one of those people).
A Silver Mt. Zion however...well, that one i just don't get. Horses In The Sky is, like, one of the best things ever, man.
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i can understand why one would dislike godspeed, but to say they flat out suck? i think that is pretty much an incorrect statement.
also capsian i would have thought you would be one of the last people to trash on godspeed. like, don't you dig ambient drone shit? post rock really isn't that far removed (basically i just want your reasoning, thats all.)
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if you read carefully, you'll notice that i said they suck "for those people" because obviously there's no accounting for taste and some people are into that kind of thing. personally, i'm not.
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Come on you people Slow Riot For New Zero Kanada is unbelievable and it's not even the best they've done. I really have trouble understanding how someone can enjoy things that are generally referred to as "post-rock" and not enjoy 40% of GYBE's music at the very least.
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Is it possible for one post to undo all the Godspeed recommendations? Because they are seriously bad. Also all GYBE side projects suck (glaring at you, ASMZ). Also1! Yndi Halda are shit but I don't know if anyone's rec-d them yet. Just cancelling them out in case someone has.
Your opinion is objectively wrong.
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hey im going to go slightly off topic but not entirely. basically i love the more electronic based post-rock artists out there so im going to list a few of those for you guys.
Mum
Eluvium
Efterklang
Hammock
The Album Leaf
Stars Of The Lid
The Octopus Project
Black Moth Super Rainbow
Xiu Xiu
so thats a few of my faves, was just also going to ask for any reccomendations for similar artists i may not have heard of, didnt want to start a new thread.
THANKS
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post-rock
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Eluvium
The Octopus Project
Black Moth Super Rainbow
:?
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Hmm, I wouldn't consider a lot of those to be post-rock. That's extending the genre a bit too much. Although the name itself conveys a range of meanings, I think the understood implication, at least from what I've seen, is that bands like MONO, Explosions in the Sky and so on are post-rock while Eluvium, Hammock, Stars of the Lid ect. are ambient, The Album Leaf/Mum have a sort of IDM/ambient sound and so on. Those are a lot of good, less conventional bands you've listed but I don't think they're post-rock.
Especially not BMSR. That one is off the mark to be sure.
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i sort of see what you guys mean, some of those are much more ambient or simply too electronica based to be considered postrock. i think those artists have stemmed from a similar direction though so the music is in the post-rocky spectrum.
i WILL argue that Hammock is pure post-rock. theyve got songs with just as much drumming or lyrics as the other major players in this thread.
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http://postrockmania.blogspot.com/
Go crazy.
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Another thread looking for post-rock recommendations.
And again, I point them to http://www.thesirenssound.com
:mrgreen: