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So Mickey Rourke and Sam Rockwell to play the villans in Iron Man 2.
Colour me excited.
Article here (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=23967).
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This is good news.
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This is AMAZING news.
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This is STUPENDOUS news.
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This is MOST FANTASMAGORICAL!
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'Nuff said.
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*Yawn*
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Sorry, guys; I ejaculated just a little bit. That tends to make me kind of sleepy.
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I'm thinking it might be. Justin Hammer, in the comics, was a rival CEO. Obidiah Stane was as well, as opposed to a peer in Stark Enterprises.
My guess is that Hammer will be used similarly to how Stane was in the comics. In the comics, Stane used Tony's drinking problem to get him ousted from the company before taking it over and driving Stark into homelessness, which resulted in Jim Rhodes becoming Iron Man.
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I...I really don't know if that's sarcasm.
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He WAS a huge alkie in the comics. He wouldn't even get suited up without a few glasses of scotch for a long while.
While I think that'd be a cool angle to tackle of Tony's personality in the sequel, I think they should be playing up more how much of a futurist Tony is. They introduced the Initiative at the end of the last movie. Tony should really be concerned with how much that's going to affect him. Plus, being an outed superhero and the head of a major weapons-manufacturing company... there's a lot of story potential there. But then again, it might be "more human" to show that the only way Tony can really cope with all that stress is by drinking excessively...
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Isn't Stark's alcoholism one of the things he's known for? Like, I don't really know shit about the Iron Man series, but I know that much.
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Yeah, it's really well known, because it was a problem of his for a long time, and ended in the mid-late 90's, as part of the whole "heroes shouldn't do drugs or be alkies"- movement by Marvel.
But yeah, Toyfare, for example, still considers Iron Man a drunk, and constantly displays him as such. It's just better that way.
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Isn't Stark's alcoholism one of the things he's known for? Like, I don't really know shit about the Iron Man series, but I know that much.
Like Hank Pym and wife beating.
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Man, I am sick of seeing Hank Pym being synonymous with wife beating. Wasn't he mind controlled when it happened? Plus, dude made Ultron. There is no mistake bigger then that.
But Crimson Dynamo, fuck yeah.
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Seeing as Wasp (Janet) is dead now it'll probably stop.
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This movie is gonna be fantastic.
Iron Man 3 is gonna suuuuuuuck.
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Grrrrr franchises. Speaking of which, there's probably a Harry Potter 6 thread that I haven't seen yet.
Anyway, real discussion: Iron Man gave me the title of "Irate Nerd". Basically, it's not fair that Stark is just a genius and cool and handsome and has good hair. It's like Edward Cullen grew up and got a beard (and still glitters in the sunlight). Anyway, I'm not into action flicks.
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Because man, alcoholism is so attractive and enviable!
*Swoon*
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I don't imagine the tone is going to shift too drastically. Iron Man 1 was practically airless. Which was the appeal.
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Grrrrr franchises.
Yeah, I mean really, who wants to see stories continued? Fuck that.
You know what really piss me off? Trilogies. Man, they're so pretentious. "Oh look, there's three of us." Oooo.
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I do sort of understand why someone may be put off a bit by a comic book movie franchise. By and large, the big name comic book characters tend to be stuck in an eternal second act of sorts. A real sense of closure isn't something they're typically very good at providing, so I can understand why a more typical movie fan who likes their loose ends tucked away neatly would find the idea of a full-on extended franchise somewhat irritating.
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they should just end every super hero movie like James Bond:
"______, you need a vacation. "
(camera pans to shot of superhero _____ basking on a sunny beach)
THE END
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I think it would be interesting to explore Tony Stark's alcoholism in a later movie, but not Iron Man 2. He just outed himself, he's still pretty new to all this, and the next big thing is watching Pepper mop up after him? No fun. Let's establish the character just a bit more before we wreck him, can't we?
RDJ is a huge Iron Man fan and said he'd do 17 Iron Man movies if they asked him. Yeah, he was probably exaggerating, but I'm thinking maybe Iron Man 3 or 4, if the series gets that far, would be time for him to become a lush. Not right after he's established himself as the coolest guy on the planet.
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Because man, alcoholism is so attractive and enviable!
*Swoon*
Anyone who can build a super mecha suit with limited supplies is someone to be envied. Besides, the alcoholism was barely present in the movie.
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I just re-watched and it tonight with my mom, she'd never seen it, and he had a drink almost every time he was on screen.
I'm still a little disappointed that Terrence Howard won't come back.
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I was hoping for some motherfuckin' War Machine. I wanted Terrence Howard first, then I realized that Don Cheadle will probably also be a badass War Machine, but I guess it is too soon to think about any of that.
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Terrence Howard has a reputation as being kind of a bitch. Not surprising to learn he walked away from what is essentially a meal ticket for life.
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I was looking forward to seeing Terence Howard in the sequel too, but Don Cheadle is an excellent replacement, hell they could have gone for Eddie Murphy at the end of the day!
Apparently part of the difficulty over him coming back is because he was the highest paid actor in Iron Man, (he signed on before Downey Jnr.), and he wasn't prepared to take a cut for the sequel.
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Howard to Cheadle is actually quite a step up, acting-wise. Unfortunately Cheadle probably won't be able to ooze testosterone like Howard can.
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Doesn't matter, Don Cheadle is quite awesome and will continue to be quite awesome.
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I like Cheadle better than Howard too, so it'll be cool. It'll take like 10 seconds to adjust to him being Rhodie, if that.
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AS LONG AS EVERYONE LOOKS AND ACTS AND DOES PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING THEY DID IN THE FIRST FILM IRON MAN 2 WILL WIN AND THE WORLD WILL BE AT PEACE.
In all seriousness, I think the alcoholism arc is a bit early for a 1st sequel. Maybe they could pull off a Dark Knight and make all the big problems happen near the end to set up for a 2nd sequel. =P
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The way they set the franchise up (Fun! Humor! Booze! Chicks! METAL (literally)!) I would be okay with them never dealing with Stark being an "alcoholic". I don't want the Hollywood trend of "we can't show good guys smoking cigarettes anymore because that corrupts our youth" to cross over into "we can't show a grown man down a Scotch".
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So you'd sacrifice what is probably the best character arc Tony Stark ever had in an attempt to make booze seem more okay?
Booze doesn't need lobbyists, we all know how much fun it can be. I want to see Tony Stark piloting the armor drunk and the repercussions exhibiting why that is a terrible fucking idea.
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It's a good arc for Iron Man the character.
It's not a good arc for Iron Man the Movie Franchise.
See also: the emo trainwreck that was Spiderman 3.
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Well, to begin with, the symbiote arc in Spider-Man was terrible to begin with. It never fit the character.
Beyond that, emo Spider-Man could've worked if Sam Raimi weren't a shit director. People don't seem to want to admit it, but 90% of his output is cult classics that people enjoy mostly for schlock rather than any discernible quality.
The alcoholism arc in Iron Man was beautifully done, however, and Favreau strikes me as an at least competent director.
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Ok, I'll grant you that with the exception of the Spider-man trilogy that the rest of Raimi's out put fits in the "cult" end of the spectrum, but I think to call him a "shit" director oversteps the mark by quite some distance.
Ok he isn't the worlds greatest director but you have to admit he has a definate visual flair, and has acheived remarkable things on very limited budgets.
Yes Spider-man 3 was a stinker, but the fault doesn't lie in Raimi's limitations as a director. The script was the real weakness, and the fact that Raimi very much had Venom, a character he repeatedly said he had no interested in, pushed onto him clearly diminished his enthusiasim for the project. I think if 3 had of been just Sandman, and Harry as the new Goblin, it could possibly have been the best of the series, but alas we'll never know.
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That would take very little doing, given that the entire series is godawful shit of the worst kind. The directing sucks, the acting is worse, and the writing is beyond horrible. Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst should be fed through a woodchipper together.
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they're saving that for Spiderman 4
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That would take very little doing, given that the entire series is godawful shit of the worst kind.
Oh come on, spider-man 2, and the first hour of spider-man, are great pieces of pop-corn action.
No they are not classic films, and wouldn't be on any top whatever films of all time list I'd compose, but as pieces of entertainment pure and simple they have their uses.
At the end of the day this is a thread about Iron Man 2, and I think most people with an interest in superhero/comic book films, would certianly rank spider-man 2 at a similar level to Iron Man
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Honestly, I never liked any of the Spider Man movies at all.
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Well they certainly appeal to the 8 year old kid in me
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See, I guess if I were to attach a tagline to Spiderman 2, it'd be "Pretty not terrible" or "Well, at least William Defoe is gone."
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On the contrary, I thought Spiderman 2 was exactly as bad as the first. Having a slightly better villain was completely offset by the utterly vomit-inducing horror that was every single second Maguire and Dunst were on screen together.
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The effects and camera work were certainly better. How was the villain slightly better?
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The thing that okay'ed Spiderman 2 for me was the train scene. Hate on it all you want, but that was a really good scene.
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The only good part of the train scene was all of the people standing up to Doc Ock and getting smashed. That was fantastic.
I am absolutely for the alcoholism storyline. I don't really think any Iron Man villains are iconic enough to really carry a movie, so making the struggles far more personal to Tony will work better, I think. I mean, Stane was alright, but that wasn't what the first movie was about. It was about Stark realizing his impact on the world and if that's what his legacy really should be- a spoiled playboy who made his fortune on the deaths of countless people or someone worth being.
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Actually the traditional superhero movie show-down with the big bad tough guy at the end of Iron Man was by some margin the weakest and least interesting part of the whole film. If they want to make Iron Man 2 as enjoyable as the first movie was they'll be smart and realise that the audience has seen the superhero/supervillain show-down again, and again, and again, and is well and truly over it.
At least, I am.
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I am for this movement.
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One of my favorite quotes of all time: "Man, Stark's got a shitty rogue's gallery. Captain America, a bad ticker and alchohol, that's it." Sometimes, I think the only thing I like about that Civil War arc was all the Tony Stark jokes that got dragged out of the woodwork for it. Personally, I rather like some of Stark's villains, but then, Iron Man and Batman are my favorite super heroes, so I'm biased.
Anyway, I think the problem with most super hero villains is that too many of them are defined mostly by their abilities or are otherwise narrow characters. The Joker can get away with this because his only real shtick these days is being completely fuckin' insane, and there's a lot a writer can do with a balls-out sociopath. The Joker sucked for a few decades but a few decent writers playing up his creepy-as-hell potential brought things up to speed quite quickly.
Whereas Spider-man has villains like Rhino, who is basically just your average thug with a rhino suit. Take away his super strength and he goes from crashing the Hulk's wedding to breaking knee caps for the local bookie. Not exactly a dynamic character.
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Because man, alcoholism is so attractive and enviable!
*Swoon*
Anyone who can build a super mecha suit with limited supplies is someone to be envied. Besides, the alcoholism was barely present in the movie.
Are you kidding? You saw his glass of whiskey before you saw him in the first scene, and he was drinking basically constantly throughout the film. They set it up quietly in the first one because they wanted to make it a bigger deal in the second, as far as scuttlebutt I've read goes.
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Actually the traditional superhero movie show-down with the big bad tough guy at the end of Iron Man was by some margin the weakest and least interesting part of the whole film. If they want to make Iron Man 2 as enjoyable as the first movie was they'll be smart and realise that the audience has seen the superhero/supervillain show-down again, and again, and again, and is well and truly over it.
At least, I am.
agreed completely. easily the weakest part of the entire movie; partially because it's a cliche but also because they paced the whole thing all wrong. it's like the entire movie is just Tony Stark partying and doing the occasional badass robot-man stuff and then out of nowhere it's like "okay, here the big bad boss fight with the villain who barely had any screen time and we never really properly introduced as a real villain anyway. oh yeah and he has a giant robot suit too! wham!"
lame.
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Oddly enough, that's also how I felt about the Norton/Roth showdown at the end of the latest Hulk movie.
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huh i pretty much feel exactly the opposite way about The Incredible Hulk.
it's actually the movie i use as an example when explaining my problems with Iron Man to people.
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I was looking forward to seeing Terence Howard in the sequel too, but Don Cheadle is an excellent replacement, hell they could have gone for Eddie Murphy at the end of the day!
Apparently part of the difficulty over him coming back is because he was the highest paid actor in Iron Man, (he signed on before Downey Jnr.), and he wasn't prepared to take a cut for the sequel.
While I didn't care for Howard as Rhodie, I don't think Cheadle is the right guy either. The whole, "I'm a punk and won't take a pay cut" was really ridiculous. In the comics, Rhodes was a real man's man. He wasn't slick or smooth like Howard can be. He wasn't soft-spoken. He was a tough, grizzled character. Stereotyped, maybe. But that's what it was. I don't really know who I'd pick to play the role... There are tougher, better black actors who could have played the part.
Thing is, I'm a huge War Machine fan. I have most of the B&W Max line of the Warmachine series. Seeing Rhodey put on the armor was something I was waiting to see... But we'll see... I'll give Cheadle a shot. Maybe he can change my attitude... Who knows...
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This comment on the article linked to in the opening post of this thread made me laugh a bunch:
the ending of this film is going to be amazing!
imagine 4 Iron Men flying around blowing shit up and looking shinny!!!! AWWWWWWWW YEAH!!!!
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I'll go see it. I like the new comic movies. Beats the hell out of the treatment they got in the 80's.
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Actually, you know what really gets me is how surprised Hollywood always is when someone specifically makes a good movie in a genre that hasn't been doing well because directors/producers up to that point have specifically chosen to make bad movies*. They then decide that that genre's time has come, and they make a melange of both really good and absolutely horrible movies.
*They started making the Batman movies campy on purpose. Or so I have read.
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So, it was recently confirmed that Mickey Rourke dropped out of Iron Man 2, citing low salary offer.
Yesterday, however, he signed on the dotted line. Things have apparently been worked out. Reportedly, he's playing Whiplash, rather than Crimson Dynamo. While I'm more interested in the latter, the former is a lot less redundant. Many pointed out, and rightly so, that Crimson Dynamo and Iron Monger in back to back movies might be a bit repetitive.
But wait! There's more! Rourke isn't alone. Apparently, Scarlett Johansson has signed on as well, playing Black Widow.
Minor details here (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.eonline.com/103998-).
In related, but wholly shitty news, all three subsequent Marvel movies have been delayed. Iron Man 2 is still on target for next year, but Captain America, Avengers and Thor have all been delayed. Thor was pushed back a year to 2011, followed a month later by Captain America. Avengers will follow a year later in 2012. No news on why for Thor and Avengers, but Captain America was pushed back a few months as Sony have confirmed Spider-Man 4 for May of 2011, which would have conflicted with Cap.
Details (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/03/marvel-delays-release-of-thor-and-the-avengers-movies/).
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Now that Mickey Rourke is an Oscar winner, he can command much higher salaries. Or is it "demand" much higher salaries?
Whatever, I always thought it was a stupid practice, though I guess I understand how and why it works. I personally don't care whether or not someone has won an Oscar. I will see the movie if I think it's worth it, and the number of awards won by the cast has nothing to do with it.
Also, that's disappointing that the other Avengers movies are being delayed.
Also, that's disappointing that yet another Spider-Man movie is being made at all.
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Sony probably realise that after their licence for the franchise runs out, Marvel will not be renewing it because they have their own studio and will probably just be rebooting this shit out of it in a similar situation to Hulk/The Incredible Hulk. From what I understand, Sony have three more Spiderman films in mind, Sam Raimi is probably not going to direct but the cast will probably be the same. The only upside is that they're going to introduce The Lizard.
I hope it works out.
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Now that Mickey Rourke is an Oscar winner, he can command much higher salaries. Or is it "demand" much higher salaries?
heh
(http://images.eonline.com/resize/300/300/0-0-300-300/eol_images/Entire_Site/20090222/300.penn.sean.022209.jpg)
I was reading a liveblog of the Oscars and someone commented as the winner was announced that "Mickey Rourke just got affordable for Iron Man 2".
The movie delay I honestly expected, and not just because of the recession.
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Oops. Shows how much I know. Rourke didn't win, did he?
But he's "Oscar-nominated" and thus still more bankable than he was only six months ago, when he was just some has-been.
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Scarlett Johansson
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Sony have confirmed Spider-Man 4.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo!
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Rourke did get tons of press, however, and won virtually every other major 'Best Acting' award. That doesn't mean he deserves more money per se but it does mean that a studio will be willing to give him more money if he insists upon it (within reason) because his name is now a selling point that could draw in an audience that would not have been enticed otherwise. His merit has nothing to do with it, to be honest. It's all about commodifiying his name and using that to make money for the studio. If that means a salary bump, so be it. The increase in ticket sales will reimburse them ten fold.
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Penn only won 'cos of the Homosexual Agenda
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Umm...
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I think he meant the homogay agenda (http://christwire.org/2009/03/the-blue-ducks-are-gay-they-face-species-extinction/)
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I'm pretty sure this is the homosexual agenda (http://www.bettybowers.com/homoagenda.html) he was talking about.
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The Homosexual Agenda is the name of the new Iron Man villain you guys
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So, it was recently confirmed that Mickey Rourke dropped out of Iron Man 2, citing low salary offer.
Yesterday, however, he signed on the dotted line. Things have apparently been worked out. Reportedly, he's playing Whiplash, rather than Crimson Dynamo. While I'm more interested in the latter, the former is a lot less redundant. Many pointed out, and rightly so, that Crimson Dynamo and Iron Monger in back to back movies might be a bit repetitive.
But wait! There's more! Rourke isn't alone. Apparently, Scarlett Johansson has signed on as well, playing Black Widow.
Minor details here (http://movies.yahoo.com/news/movies.eonline.com/103998-).
In related, but wholly shitty news, all three subsequent Marvel movies have been delayed. Iron Man 2 is still on target for next year, but Captain America, Avengers and Thor have all been delayed. Thor was pushed back a year to 2011, followed a month later by Captain America. Avengers will follow a year later in 2012. No news on why for Thor and Avengers, but Captain America was pushed back a few months as Sony have confirmed Spider-Man 4 for May of 2011, which would have conflicted with Cap.
Details (http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/03/marvel-delays-release-of-thor-and-the-avengers-movies/).
This is promising news.
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All I think needs improving for the next Iron Man film is the climactic battle, which, by movie standards, was still pretty fuckin' awesome but in comparison to the rest of film, defeating Iron Monger by a reactor overload caused by a panicked secretary in heels was pretty too damn simple. (And it seemed fairly obvious that Stane's targeting system had been ripped out, without having to tell us "You ripped out my targeting system thurr" - That probably felt like the only kink in the otherwise godly dialogue.)
Warning - the above contained spoilers. Oops, I guess I should have told you earlier.
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I didn't have a huge problem with that line ("You ripped out my targeting system!") because it was in character, and it was like the follow-up to one of my favorite lines.
When Stark manages to get behind Stane, he says "This looks important" as he rips out some cables. For some reason, that cracks me up, the way he says and does it. When Stane gives us the follow-up line, he tells us what Stark did, but I didn't take it as pandering to the audience because Stane was a blustering egomaniac and tended to state the obvious anyway. "You stepped on my toe!" or "You did something different with your hair!" would have sounded just as genuine coming from him.
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All I think needs improving for the next Iron Man film is the climactic battle, which, by movie standards, was still pretty fuckin' awesome but in comparison to the rest of film, defeating Iron Monger by a reactor overload caused by a panicked secretary in heels was pretty too damn simple. (And it seemed fairly obvious that Stane's targeting system had been ripped out, without having to tell us "You ripped out my targeting system thurr" - That probably felt like the only kink in the otherwise godly dialogue.)
Warning - the above contained spoilers. Oops, I guess I should have told you earlier.
You know, it occurs to me that if you had left it unlabeled, no one would've noticed or cared because everyone's seen Iron Man.
But because you did that, now I think you're just an asshole because you're not on a fucking typewriter you can actually go back an label it, what the fuck is wrong with you?
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All I think needs improving for the next Iron Man film is the climactic battle, which, by movie standards, was still pretty fuckin' awesome but in comparison to the rest of film, defeating Iron Monger by a reactor overload caused by a panicked secretary in heels was pretty too damn simple. (And it seemed fairly obvious that Stane's targeting system had been ripped out, without having to tell us "You ripped out my targeting system thurr" - That probably felt like the only kink in the otherwise godly dialogue.)
Warning - the above contained spoilers. Oops, I guess I should have told you earlier.
You know, it occurs to me that if you had left it unlabeled, no one would've noticed or cared because everyone's seen Iron Man.
But because you did that, now I think you're just an asshole because you're not on a fucking typewriter you can actually go back an label it, what the fuck is wrong with you?
I was thinking something among the same lines. It's not that hard to put spoilers in the proper place. Pointing out and saying haha! i didn't spoiler is just... childish.
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Finejeez. Yell at me for being childish. I'm going to go and stop quoting Uncyclopedia now, because clearly y'all can't just chillax over a few sentences. =P
On a sidenote to the real discussion, I did think that "Hold still, you little prick" was kinda cool. Stane in the movie made a pretty nice transition between partner-in-ownership to wannabe-usurper, or as one of my friends summarised it, "Super Mega Crazy Corporate Creed Hyper Battle Fantastic!!!!"
Johansson as Black Widow is believable. So long as they don't go too Hollywood-heavy on the Russian accent.
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I'll be honest here, I know very little about the comics. In fact all I knew about Iron Man before the movie was that he sometimes helped the X-men in the cartoons.
HOWEVER, the movie was that pants-wettingly exciting that I will watch and enjoy the sequel as long as there's lots of FLYING, FUCK YES.
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BULKSHIT!
Iron Man never once appeared in the X-Men cartoon nor vice versa.
He did cameo in that shit awful 90's Spider-Man cartoon, though, with War Machine in tow.
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BULKSHIT!
I find that typo incomprehensibly amusing. I'm picturing a hippy on the can while eating a big bowl of oatmeal.
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That wasn't a typo.
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Then I enjoy it even more.
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BULKSHIT!
Iron Man never once appeared in the X-Men cartoon nor vice versa.
He did cameo in that shit awful 90's Spider-Man cartoon, though, with War Machine in tow.
My apologies, memory failing me in my old age I guess!
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Mickey Rourke as Whiplash
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/06/rourkex-large.jpg)
From Gizmondo (http://i.gizmodo.com/5285111/first-pic-of-mickey-rourke-as-whiplash-in-iron-man-2)
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That's...horrifying.
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Makes me think of Thunderdome.
TWO MECHANIZED MEN ENTER, ONE LEAVES!
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Danny Trejo's taking Steroids?
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So, like, are those supposed to be attachments for his whips or did he get in an accident and needed some arm braces?
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So, like, are those supposed to be attachments for his whips or did he get in an accident and needed some arm braces?
Maybe they make him go faster... or something.
Hell this is a little disturbing.
UPDATE: The trailer has me unreasonably happy for some reason, but I guess it's because War Machine is so badass:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/ironman/
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I came.
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Oh yes oh yes oh yes oh fuck yes.
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Daaaaaaaaamn.
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Does anyone know what Marvel cross-over/cameo they're putting in this one?
Sure I could google, but, meh.
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You mean aside from Nick Fury being in the trailer?
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Yes.
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Stan Lee.
Duh.
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Joy of joys that looks fucking incredible, although I imagine much like #1 all of the best parts are going to be in the first half of the movie with Tony being a smartass and a playboy
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the part that made me go YESYESYESYES was the appearance of War Machine.
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Oh man oh man Whiplash looks so badass.
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The interesting part about the trailer was that Scarlett Johannson didn't say a single word in it, which is, I think, a good thing and a bad thing at the same time.
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Man, Sam Rockwell was in it for all of like .5 seconds. I really like the trailer, but it was such a cocktease.
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People keep mentioning the extreme likelihood of bad accents littering this franchise, (I haven't watched the trailers yet myself, so no comment) and the more I think about it, comic book movies are the one venue in which I could not possibly care less, due to the fact that I have read too many of them. In my head, all comic books feature terrible, terrible accents. This probably has something to do with foreigners and minorities in particular being awarded especially ridiculous hairstyles and facial hair in comic books along with the simple fact that the comics I was exposed to first were all old 40s-50s war comics. Let's just say they weren't the most culturally sensitive.
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Well if it helps, Whiplash (who from what I've come to understand is, for the film's purposes, the son of Crimson Dynamo and therefor Russian) has a pretty legit sounding accent. But that is probably because Mickey Rourke is a good actor. I have faith that Scarlett Johanssen will do fine because after the fine job they did in the first film I can't see Favreaux making a bunch of stupid mistakes with casting for the second film.
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Like I said, I'd probably be fine with her sounding like Natasha from Rocky and Bullwinkle, only sexy.
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Scarlett Johannson is a hilariously awful actress, but I doubt even she can ruin this movie.
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Dang, someone did not like Lost in Translation. Was it because you didn't hear what Murray whispered to Johannson at the end? Did that make you feel left out? That's OK. It's OK to feel left out. We won't judge you.
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She wasn't exactly burning up the screen in The Spirit. Or The Prestige. Or The Island.
Pretty okay in Vicky Christina Barcelona, though.
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I really only know her from magazine covers and Lost in Translation, which was a part that wasn't really hurt much by coming across as unsure of herself.
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You should see Vicky Christina Barcelona man it was epic. She was also quite good in Match Point. The Spirit and The Island were just terrible movies, and I don't think can really be blamed on Scarlett. Of this generation of starlets she seems one of the better ones -- especially when compared to say Megan Fox.
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I was going to say that I'm interested to see her act because I thought I'd never seen her before but I've seen (and tolerated) The Spirit and The Prestige is one of my favourite movies ever. Maybe she is kind of forgettable?
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She wasn't really showcased in either of those movies. Didn't you find the ending to The Prestige a little... much?
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No.
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Hey guys, remember when Ghost World came out and everyone was like "Whoa Thora Birch, she's gonna be the next big thing for sure!" and everyone was also like "Scarlett who? Really, with two 't's in her first name? Okay yeah whatever, let's get back to talking about Thora Birch."
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She wasn't exactly burning up the screen in The Spirit. Or The Prestige. Or The Island.
The Spirit was really bad, The Prestige was barely about her, and the Island was really bad. There are much better films she has done, so I don't really think she's a bad actress. But really from the cast list of this movie, she's up there with some pretty fantastic actors, so I think she'll blend in well.
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I intensely disliked Match Point, and her in it. Really though, you should check out Black Dahlia sometime, that's probably the crowning achievement of a terrible acting career.
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Hey guys, remember when Ghost World came out and everyone was like "Whoa Thora Birch, she's gonna be the next big thing for sure!" and everyone was also like "Scarlett who? Really, with two 't's in her first name? Okay yeah whatever, let's get back to talking about Thora Birch."
I thought she was already a known quantity due to the child actress and American Beauty thing. At least, I don't remember it ever being like you described. Then again, I hardly talk to people about movies outside of here or watch tv, so maybe that's it.
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She wasn't in American Beauty
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Yes, Thora Birch was.
But really, the Dungeons & Dragons movie put her on the map for good.
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ooh, yeah. Thought you meant Scarlett Johannson and was perplexed. I guess I kinda glossed right over the words "Thora Birch" in my mind
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Dang, someone did not like Lost in Translation. Was it because you didn't hear what Murray whispered to Johannson at the end? Did that make you feel left out? That's OK. It's OK to feel left out. We won't judge you.
lol'd.
Lost in Translation was fun, but slow, and in the end I don't exactly know what they were trying to accomplish in the end.
I have to look into it further.
The Island was meh which was no fault of any of the actors.
The Spirit, well, I loved that movie only because everyone was so fucking bizarre and Scarlett was the smallest part of film because she was the one who talked the most rationally
But yeah she's not necessarily a poor actor. We'll just have to wait and see how she turns out in this one.
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Why Whiplash?? He looked like Omega Red at first so I'm still going to say he's Omega Red in my mind.
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Unless those whips have impressive powers of bullet-stopping, this Whiplash looks like he could be taken down with a mini-gun thanks to all the exposed torso.
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A) They confirmed that they basically combined Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo into one character.
2) That's just the first prototype version of his suit.
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liking the extended trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM81xWzJAmg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM81xWzJAmg)
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It's weird how good Samuel Jackson is as Nick Fury.
I really kinda want to see an Avengers Movie.
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It's already been greenlit. Also it helps a bit that the Ultimates version of Nick Fury was actually based on Sam Jackson.
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I'm going to miss the original Nick Fury and all the Howlin' Commandos, but since Lee Marvin's a little too old to pull this off, Sammie should be OK to pick up the Torch.
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Let's not forget this little gem (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119781/), now. Surely this great actor of the age could have made a return for the role of Nick Fury?
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There are a number of phrases running through my head at this moment. None of them suitable for publication.
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In non-Iron Man news, Chris Evans has been cast as Captain America, beating out... John Krasinski. I think it's a pretty good choice. He was the Human Torch in the awful Fantastic 4 movies, yes, but he was also probably the best thing in Sunshine.
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Yes, the Fantastic 4 movies are awful, but he was a great Torch. I approve of this.
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He and the guy playing Thing were the only "bright" spots in the first movie - and I refuse to watch the second on principle.
He's got the build and blonde hair to do Cap - now to see if he can pull off the acting.
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yeah I have to agree I think he can pull it off and I like him as cap better than jim from the office.
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In other news I have decided to watch this movie based solely on this picture.
(http://i516.photobucket.com/albums/u330/Dreamcastguy/photo_37_hires.jpg)
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You know a fucker must be cool if he's got a pet Cockatoo.
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liking the extended trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM81xWzJAmg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM81xWzJAmg)
The suitcase at the end
OH MY GOD THE SUITCASE
Also I believe that's a sulfur-crested cockatoo. Australian. Shit just got real.
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What happened to the actor who was playing Stark's air force liason? Don Cheadle appears to have replaced him which, to be fair, isn't too bad a deal.
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Apparently because he was the first actor cast in the first film he got paid the most. For the sequel they wanted to pay Downey Jr. the most because he's got top billing but he wasn't having any of it and kicked up a big stink and refused to do it if he wasn't getting paid more than everyone. Cheadle was more reasonable about it. Also there was something about the director not liking the guy who played Rhodes in the first one because he was a prick and hard to work with.
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Terrence Howard, while a decent enough actor, has a widespread reputation as a world-class douchebag / narcissist / neurotic. 'Round the internet he's gained the nickname "baby wipes" because he's on record as being disgusted by women who don't carry baby wipes with them to keep themselves as clean as possible at all times.
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I went to see this on Wednesday. It was pretty cool! There was more action in it than the screen could hold, more futuristic technology than we could make in 100 years' time, and some delightful asshattery on behalf of Tony Stark. Of course, the villains are still able to exist given that anyone with a sack of bolts and a grudge can build an iron man suit. Then again, this is contrasted by the fact that at some point, Stark builds a freaking particle accelerator in his basement. (Pay attention during that scene, if you're going to see it.)
As for the main villain, I didn't hear the name 'whiplash' in any part of the movie. Even though those whips are cool weapons, they're more of a toy than anything else. The amount of havoc this guy wreaks when he's behind a keyboard dwarfs what he does with those whips. And whoever mentioned a horrible accent, he's got it. And it works for him.
I thought Scarlett Johansson did a good job on the cold-blooded secretary and badass secret agent type. Not smiling does good things as far as I'm concerned.
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damn you, LTK.
damn you straight to heaven
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Stupid next week release while it's released world wide
Already heard of and seen some screens for the new secret ending.
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This is one of the few films that we're getting a week ahead of the US. I'm going to go see it on Tuesday I think.
Suck it, Yanks.
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Wait, what? Does that mean it is out here now? Because if it is and I didn't know I am gonna be so pissed.
also, how does that work? I mean, it was made in america, why is everywhere else getting it before them? The last one was at least released everywhere at the same time, wasn't it?
edit! oh holy shit it is playing at the cinema down the road tonight I have to go see it this weekend if not tonight
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Then again, this is contrasted by the fact that at some point, Stark builds a freaking particle accelerator in his basement.
Heh, one of my mom's best friends from high school built a particle accelerator as a science project back in the 70's. Got a MacArthur Genius Grant, if I recall correctly. Also gave his valedictorian speech in Latin and worked for an extended period at Los Alamos on a bionic eye. Wish I could meet the guy, but apparently my mom made an off-color joke to him a few years back and he's been less chatty since.
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She wasn't exactly burning up the screen in The Spirit. Or The Prestige. Or The Island.
Pretty okay in Vicky Christina Barcelona, though.
Can I just point out that she was terrible enough in Vicky Christina Barcelona that the narration had to do a lot of the emoting for her? And The Prestige is solid, suck my DICK
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Stupid next week release while it's released world wide
Already heard of and seen some screens for the new secret ending.
You mean there was an after-credits ending? Aw man, I knew I should have sticked around until the credits rolled out, but the rest wouldn't wait for me.
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Just back from seeing the movie and man it was awsome. Loved everything about it. Though I think I've been left with a nagging feeling that I've missed something as I didn't see the clip from the trailer where Stark jumps from the plane after Potts thows his helmet out. Tell me there wasn't a part at the end after the trailers that I've missed....
Not that it matters if I have, as I'm going to see the movie again next week, though this time in all it's IMAX glory. I'll just sit and listen to AC/DC's Highway To Hell at the end credits for a little longer.
On another note, a soundtrack composed mainly of songs from AC/DC and The Clash. How could it possibly go wrong...?
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Wait, what? Does that mean it is out here now? Because if it is and I didn't know I am gonna be so pissed.
also, how does that work? I mean, it was made in america, why is everywhere else getting it before them? The last one was at least released everywhere at the same time, wasn't it?
edit! oh holy shit it is playing at the cinema down the road tonight I have to go see it this weekend if not tonight
Do people being nice to Australians scare you?
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Though I think I've been left with a nagging feeling that I've missed something as I didn't see the clip from the trailer where Stark jumps from the plane after Potts thows his helmet out. Tell me there wasn't a part at the end after the trailers that I've missed....
Was there a scene of him simply jumping out of the back of the plane without the bit with Potts? I've seen at least one trailer like that; I suspected that they filmed multiple versions of that scene, and so maybe the one from the trailer isn't the one that made it into the movie.
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I hate it when they do that.
And what the crap, why is our release date a week later?? NOT COOL.
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Well it's not like they do it on purpose. They have to make the trailer long before they finish editing the movie.
What's shitty is when the trailer is totally misleading and completely gives you the wrong idea of what the movie is like.
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Do people being nice to Australians scare you?
It doesn't scare me, it just confuses me more than anything else.
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What's shitty is when the trailer is totally misleading and completely gives you the wrong idea of what the movie is like.
I can't decide if this is worse than the trailer pretty much giving you a very detailed summary and therefore spoiling it. Both are bad.
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It's being released early worldwide due to World Cup matches. No one in America cares if seeing Iron Man would interfere with a World Cup match, people in the rest of the world generally go to the movies a lot less often.
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What's shitty is when the trailer is totally misleading and completely gives you the wrong idea of what the movie is like.
I can't decide if this is worse than the trailer pretty much giving you a very detailed summary and therefore spoiling it. Both are bad.
As someone who doesn't care about spoilers, my opinion on that matter is clear.
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Though I think I've been left with a nagging feeling that I've missed something as I didn't see the clip from the trailer where Stark jumps from the plane after Potts thows his helmet out. Tell me there wasn't a part at the end after the trailers that I've missed....
Was there a scene of him simply jumping out of the back of the plane without the bit with Potts? I've seen at least one trailer like that; I suspected that they filmed multiple versions of that scene, and so maybe the one from the trailer isn't the one that made it into the movie.
The movie started with the jumping-out-of-the-plane bit, but Potts might or might not have been there. In any case, there was no helmet throwing, and I can see why, because he can't very well fly without his helmet, can he? Which reminds me, there should be a scene in the trailer where Tony lets a girl use the repulsor glove, but that never showed up either.
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Scenes from trailers not ending up in movies is pretty common, all things considered, but it's an entirely different thing with Marvel, it seems like. A large percentage of The Incredible Hulk's trailer didn't show up in the film.
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Didn't even show up in the dvds deleted scenes as well, which is annoying because they are obviously finished enough.
I found that following the clips and trailers that were released for Kick Ass really spoiled the movie for me as things that should have hit harder (Big Daddy's fight scene in the warehouse and basically every Hit-Girl scene) didn't, because I'd already seen them. I've decided to stop watching anything other than the main trailers for films that I'm really excited for because I want it to be a surprise. I can't wait to see this though. Totally excited.
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Saw it last night and enjoyed the hell out of it. It's a great step up from the first film, some parts were a bit draggy, but no where near to the point of the first one. Two hours went by rather nicely.
Downey's smart-ass delivery was on the mark, especially liked the scenes with the Senator. There were a few scenes where Potts was just plain annoying, it kind of felt like they kept the camera on their dialogue a bit too long and it ened up feleling awkward and weird.
There were a few bits of cheese, nothing too over the top but just enough to know they were thrown in for the kids and whatnot.
Cheadle didn't get as much film time as I thought he would, so when he did come into the movie fully at the end it was all kinda rushed.
Sam Rockwell was great as the poor mans Tony Stark and Rourke was great in all his greasy-hacker-thug-physicist glory.
For the people that have seen it what did you think of the scene after the end credits?
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That fifteen second scene after the end credits restored my faith in film as a medium.
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Can someone PM me a description of that scene?
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Scenes from trailers not ending up in movies is pretty common, all things considered, but it's an entirely different thing with Marvel, it seems like.
Exactly this. It's a really stupid habit to have, but it's been around for ages. The big question is, why would they cut it out? That particular section of the trailer lasted like 15 seconds and was perfect. I know they throw the "unneccessary" reason around a lot but even then it wouldn't have hurt the film one bit to include that scene. (Considering Tony Stark's free-fall would have been faster than his helmet he would have caught it in no time anyway)
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Can someone PM me a description of that scene?
Or just spoiler it here, I want to know what I missed!
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Wikipedia tells me it's a tie-in with Thor.
Which I've seen pictures of on the internet, it looks really fuckin rad.
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The fact that I saw this
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/04/340x_thor.jpg)
An hour before I saw the movie made that scene pretty fucking awesome.
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You've been warned
What you missed (http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/7928/secrety.jpg)
"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."
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Ohhhhhhhhh mannnnnnnnnn. I wish I could see it this weekend. :c But no, I have to be busy and have a job and stuff.
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I just saw this today and man it was so very very good.
Everything about it was basically fantastic. Possibly the only thing I wasn't that keen on was the new design of the Iron Man armour and that is so minor it doesn't even matter. Easily as good as the first one I think. Possibly better.
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alright, I just bought Iron Man on Bluray to get myself hyped up for Friday when number 2 (finally) comes to America!
woo!
go iron man!
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The Iron Man Blu-ray is fantastic. The DTS HDMA soundtrack will break your windows and knock down your walls.
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Alright, as a movie it had some weak points, but as a comic book movie it was pretty damned good.
and oh yes that secret scene. I think I was the only guy in the theatre that got it though, which I think is a bit upsetting (I haven't decided whether it's upsetting that I got it, or that no one else did).
Also, the theatre was pretty much empty, which was a bit disappointing.
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It took me ages to work out that Hammer was Sam Rockwell. (I guess I didn't see his name in connection with the movie anywhere either?). Fuck Sam Rockwell is awesome.
Also ScarJo looks pretty amazing with curly red hair.
The movie was OK I guess.
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Fucking amazing. It felt a little long, but fucking amazing.
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Ok, we just got back, and here is my quick facebook update about it:
Just got out of Iron Man 2! ....it was FANTASTIC!!! God so much to say. Fucking hells yes Roger Sterling! The fake tan build up on Sam Rockwell's plams was fantastic. Mickey Rourke was amazing, he is such a great actor. Tony Stark...motherfucking Tony Stark. And the after credits!!! I'm so excited!
Basically....HOLY SHIT. God, it was so fantastic! And Thor! And his hammer! skldjaskl;jdaskl;fj asdfj I'm 8 different kinds of excited!!!
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Haha oh yeah I forgot to mention John Slattery in here. That might've actually been my favourite part of the film, Roger Sterling as Howard Stark.
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Okay,
so after deliberation I think I agree more with the 60% Rotten Tomatoes score than with all the "it was fucking awesome!" flowing around in this thread. Although I liked the movie, I will have trouble recommending it to anybody with the same fervour that I did the original. Disappointing
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well, that was one of my most highly anticipated disappointments of...ever.
The worst part is that I can't think of anything that was particularly "wrong" with the movie; I mean, it made me laugh, it had some good action and some hot chicks. But still....it just...I dunno....it wasn't very good.
Also, sitting in the the theater with all the other...people...before the movie made me realize that I hate everyone and I'm never leaving my house again. I mean, I already knew that but holy shit all the things I hate about my generation were perfectly personified in that crowd and it made me want to die.
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Yeah, it sucks when the moviegoing crowd can't behave itself. Maybe you could try watching it again at home?
Strangely enough, when I watched the first Iron Man movie I thought it was pretty entertaining but not the completely amazing thing people made it out to be. When it was over I thought "Is that what all the fuss is about?" The second one managed to impress me more. There was more to laugh about, there was more to wow about (woo junk science), there were more interesting people in it, and it was all together, well, shinier than I remember the first one to be. Maybe it's the difference beween seeing it on the tv and on the big screen, but I don't know.
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Don Cheadle is roughly 8 times as awesome as Terrence Howard.
And Mickey Rourke is a much badder-assed badass than the Dude.
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The worst part is that I can't think of anything that was particularly "wrong" with the movie; I mean, it made me laugh, it had some good action and some hot chicks. But still....it just...I dunno....it wasn't very good.
So I thought this as well and I think I may have worked it out. It's the flippin' action scenes/fights, dudes. The first Iron Man flick had exactly the same problem, it's just that it was generally limited to the end part of the film with the fight against Stane. They basically took the least awesome part of Iron Man 1 and multiplied it to several instances across the length of Iron Man 2.
Basically putting big dumb EXPLOSIONS FUCK YEAH sections in a film as otherwise as smart and self-aware as this is extremely off-putting and negates all the qualities that made the first one such a massive unbelievable hit among people who don't otherwise dig on big summer sfx extravaganzas.
EDIT: And um just so we are clear here, there is nothing wrong with big flashy action scenes in, y'know, an action film, but surely there is a way to do them so it doesn't completely throw off the tone of the rest of the film?
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I was pretty up-front about my misgivings with the first Iron Man, but I think this was an improvement. It wasn't a huge improvement, but it was a good one.
Favreau's strength continues to be in his way with actors and the snappy dialogue between all the different characters. As with the first film the best scenes are the ones in which RDJ gets to trade quips with other game actors. His skill in filming fight sequences has improved some but he still has real trouble with climactic battles - that last fight with Whiplash must have lasted 2 minutes, if that.
That having been said, the movie was nicely paced and stopped just short of being completely overstuffed ala Spiderman 3. Was Justin Hammer such a boob in the comics as well? I feel like the villains in this one were much more well-developed than the first film's, even while it feels like Mickey Rourke didn't actually do or say much. I feel a bit disappointed that the sort of hints about the dark nature of Stark industries and the military industrial complex in the first film were jettisoned in the second, though that's probably a thing with the original comics more than anything else. Turns out Howard Stark was a hero and all the bad stuff Stark industries was involved in were solely the work of Jeff Bridges, apparently. The only real problem with this was that it made Whiplash a less interesting character - he didn't really have a legit beef with the Starks, he's just evil and holds a grudge. Overall it was a bit of a letdown that Stark so obviously outmatched all of his adversaries from the get-go.
So yeah, better than the first film, enjoyable certainly, but somehow I think it will be a bit less memorable than the first for some reason. Interested to see how they'll work with the Avengers' less popular members. After Cap, who's left? Thor and Antman? Anybody else? Then we'll have the proper Avengers film to look forward to. Propers to Marvel for making it a Joss Whedon joint. It's good that they're orienting themselves more toward the Iron Man sensibility instead of going Michael Bay with every movie.
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I don't know, I guess I sorta expect the explosions and I think they should be there. I mean, Tony Stark is a weapons manufacturer. He makes explosions. He has a big huge gigantic ego. He likes for things to explode. He makes that happen.
I mean, fight scenes in a superhero movie doesn't not make sense. It just how it is. Superheros fight often. And when they are wearing super powered suits armed with various exploding things, stuff is gonna get blown up and smashed.
And then somethings were there to drawn a point. Like the scene where Tony is drunk, in the suit, on his birthday, and a bunch of party-goers and tossing things in the air for him to shoot. I really honestly feel like this was the first time they really drove home the point that he is an alcoholic, and can be/is an obvious danger to people, since suit and alcohol don't mix well. I was actually telling my boyfriend how I didn't feel like the first film touched on his alcoholism enough, but I feel like this film definitely has, and I'm glad.
And yeah, people misbehaving in theaters is so aggravating! The girl next to me, texted the whole time. And left the volume on her phone on. Not even kidding. And she kept updating her boyfriend next to her where her friends were. Then she kept asking about what was going on on the screen. I bet if you wouldn't have texted while the movie was on, you'd know.
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I was pretty up-front about my misgivings with the first Iron Man, but I think this was an improvement. It wasn't a huge improvement, but it was a good one.
Favreau's strength continues to be in his way with actors and the snappy dialogue between all the different characters. As with the first film the best scenes are the ones in which RDJ gets to trade quips with other game actors. His skill in filming fight sequences has improved some but he still has real trouble with climactic battles - that last fight with Whiplash must have lasted 2 minutes, if that.
I just wanna say that is was the only scene I really had a problem with. 2 minutes? This is the final battle! I want it to be complex! I want it to be crazy! I want villains to shout out their evil plans, and why they are killing whoever the are killing, only for the hero to figure out a way to escape and get them. I want that frigging cliche. Because I love it. Its so comic book fantastic.
So yeah, better than the first film, enjoyable certainly, but somehow I think it will be a bit less memorable than the first for some reason. Interested to see how they'll work with the Avengers' less popular members. After Cap, who's left? Thor and Antman? Anybody else? Then we'll have the proper Avengers film to look forward to. Propers to Marvel for making it a Joss Whedon joint. It's good that they're orienting themselves more toward the Iron Man sensibility instead of going Michael Bay with every movie.
Wasp, and The Hulk. I mean, obviously, they made a Hulk movie, but he is part of the Avengers. I imagine they will do Wasp and Antman together.
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I feel weird about the Avengers movie. They characters are great in their own movies, but can we bring them together in a way that isn't terrible?
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ah-hah! i've got it:
i feel like the movie was made to sell trailers, rather than the other way around. Now, I'm no scientist but that's just about as backwards as you can get.
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Word on the street is that the Antman flick is going to be a full-on comedy with action elements, not the other way round. I'm excited.
I feel weird about the Avengers movie. They characters are great in their own movies, but can we bring them together in a way that isn't terrible?
Yeah I get the feeling that The Avengers movie is just gonna be way, way, way too much. But then, it's getting Whedon'd, so who knows?!
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So, I just read on IMDB that they aren't including Wasp at all. WTF! She was one of the founding members of the Avengers! Grrrrrr. If they are making Ant Man, why leave her out? Someone tell me where this begins to make sense????
(On top of that, some douchebag[who was claiming that they shouldn't make an Ant Man movie] was saying that Dark Knight isn't a comic book movie because it isn't actually based off of any comic, and just takes its influence from Batman mythology, which isn't true. It's fucking based off of Killing Joke and Long Halloween and... Ugh! nerd rage)
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And then somethings were there to drawn a point. Like the scene where Tony is drunk, in the suit, on his birthday, and a bunch of party-goers and tossing things in the air for him to shoot. I really honestly feel like this was the first time they really drove home the point that he is an alcoholic, and can be/is an obvious danger to people, since suit and alcohol don't mix well. I was actually telling my boyfriend how I didn't feel like the first film touched on his alcoholism enough, but I feel like this film definitely has, and I'm glad.
I'm not sure if this was the intention. Here might be a spoiler. The reason that he got crazy drunk on his party in the suit was that he thought this party was going to be his last. Natalie: I'd do whatever I want, with whoever I want. So it was more of an excuse than a habit. Maybe they still knew to portray him as an alcoholic, but I don't know.
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I felt the same. I thought it was more that he was done being responsible and going out with a bang.
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I don't think they were really planning on touching on the alcoholism yet. In the first film, there are almost no scenes in which Tony Stark doesn't have a drink in his hand, but they never draw attention to it. In Iron Man 2, the same goes for Tony's father. I think the makers are well aware of his alcoholism, but just don't want to address it at this point in the films.
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I remember reading some interviews with Robert Downey Jr after Iron Man 2 was announced and he said that they would touch lightly on the alcoholism like they did in the first film but they aren't really going to get into the Demon in a Bottle arc until the third film.
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I usually compare the real dramatic and comedic punch in the first Iron Man film to the excitement people got from watching Tobey Maguire in his early stages learning to crawl up walls and web sling into billboards.
Except multiplied by the snappy dialogue and classy character traits, which adds to this "hoshit badassery" factor that was kinda there in the Spiderman film.
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Saw it tonight! I enjoyed it! I have to say, I loved the part where Agent Coulson pulls Captain's shield out of the box and asks Tony if he knows what that is and Tony uses it to level the pipes. Awesome. Also Mickey Rourke and Scarlett Johansson kicked ass. I think they made a good choice with Johansson as Black Widow. Also Cheadle > Howard. I like them both as Rhodes, but I <3 Cheadle.
As for the alcoholism, I don't think it was really needed in this movie because the focus was on him slowly dying because of his "battery". Obviously we still saw him drinking, but to battle alcoholism on top of rapidly declining health and the government trying to steal your technology all in one go would have cluttered things. Especially now that War Machine is officially here, the third movie would be best to address this, as iirc War Machine will take over for Iron Man while Tony is in rehab.
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I would be completely fine with one of these films stealthily turning into a War Machine-Don Cheadle vehicle. Dude deserves a blockbuster.
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And if you're wondering if I mean War Machine or Cheadle, you're right.
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That scene where Stark was beating up Rhodes at his house was great.
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I thought it was the weakest point in the film, just because it seems so contrived.
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Don Cheadle deserves a blockbuster.
This is really one of the truest things.
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Yeah I can't wait til the third Iron Man movie just bums people out with Alkie Stark
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Personally, I'm not a fan of the alcoholism plotline either. But if you have to do it I think having War Machine in place would help the situation a bit simply because you could have things going on other than Tony Stark being incredibly depressed for a full two hours.
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Or it'll be a movie where Cheadle gets to kick major ass. Yes.
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I thought they were going to do it during this one, what with the toxicity level reader he had. Of course they quickly killed that idea.
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That's what I assumed at first, too.
Just got back from watching it, and I have to say that Mickey Rourke was one of the best parts of the movie. He managed to balance on that point where you were never sure if his character was about to kill someone. And I didn't think the accent was that bad, either. Maybe not quite as good as a natural first-language speaker, but not Boris Badenov by any stretch of the imagination. I think people just have gotten to the point where they are extremely skeptical of accents, like how Christian Bale has been described as having a terrible British accent, even though he was born in Wales and was using that Welsh accent.
I do have to say, however, that this is one of the first movies to give me so much nerd rage with the computer-related stuff.
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I think the mid-'90s beat the nerd rage out of me on that topic. Those years when the AOL cds were still really making the rounds were dark times.
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The mid-90s? I was still playing Reader Rabbit and some other educational game with a mountain at that point. And tried playing King Quest... IV? I think, but I couldn't figure out what to do at first and kept dying no matter what I tried, so I gave up and uninstalled.
The "Try Russian" part just annoyed the hell out of me. Maybe it was intentional and they were trying to make Hammer seem completely incompetent, but he seemed to understand technology to the extent that the writers did for the most part.
The drones having terrible handling did make me wonder what sort of ping Predator drones get, it's probably classified. I bet it is worse than you would think, considering they are piloted from Nevada and Uncle Sam tends to pay the least it can get away with for anything.
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Yeah, I considered that I'm a lot older than you as I posted, but regardless what I said still holds true. Go watch the movie Hackers sometime. It's a 1995 film about computer experts who cannot type.
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Actually, just watch this and try not to have an aneurysm. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql1uLyuWra8)
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hackers fucking owned, dude. it was a whole bunch of ridiculous computer nonsense and then bam! angelina jolie's titties
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The latter was a plus but I wasn't big on anything else. For the most part I just don't really like ridiculous very much.
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At least these days most writers realize that at least some things aren't online. Although some things are that I wouldn't expect, like some security cameras.
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The "Try Russian" part just annoyed the hell out of me.
I'm almost certain he was being sarcastic when he said that.
I will also just use this post to state my love for all things that contain Sam Rockwell.
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do you dudes not remember pepper potts typing "translate" to get a video to play in english
whh
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Nope. Must have missed that.
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In a movie about a guy that flies around in a high tech robot battlesuit fighting people who are also wearing high tech robot battlesuits, you are complaining about someone being able to translate a video from Arabic to English? It's called suspension of disbelief!
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Its not like they're trying to fool you into thinking anything that stark does is possible in this day and age, or ever. Try building a particle accelerator in your basement with a hammer and some nails. Little things like a program that instantly translates things from another language into English (with the same actor's voice no less) are minor grievances at best.
Also on the subject of this one being disappointing, I just didn't get that. It may not have that level of newness that comes from watching the first film in a series, but I liked it probably just as much, or close to as much, as the first.
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Same here. I really liked it, but the first one had the added bonus of exceeding my expectations, because so many of the super hero movies I have seen were pretty mediocre. Iron Man 2 what pretty great, but i was expecting it to be awesome, so it wasn't really a surprise.
I was a bit disappointed about the last fight with whiplash being pretty short, but after talking to est about it he gave me a different perspective and it makes a bit more sense. He saw it that they needed both Iron Man and War Machine to defeat the bad guy, so it was supposed to be more about setting up that War Machine will be sticking around in the next movie. Also, with all the drones being dealt with just before that I was getting a bit bored of all that, so while I would have liked to see more of Whiplash and his whips, Iron Man and War Machine fighting bad guys over and over and over was getting a little stale.
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I feel the same way. If the fight with the drones had been a bit shorter to allow more time with Whiplash, it would have been great. But as is, it was still a fun movie. I had just as good of a time watching it as I did the first and I thought all the new characters/actors were a great addition. Also I think it was a good lead into not only the Avengers movie, but also Thor. And as they're making a third Iron Man movie, I don't think they missed out too much on the plotline. It introduced War Machine and shows that Stark still has issues to work out. As for believability of real world things, it's a comic book movie. None of it is real, so I don't really care about translations or whatnot, because Stark can shut up pretty much every television, it seems.
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and time for some Easter eggs (http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5456/easteregg.png). Mostly speculation though.
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The shield was stupid obvious.
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Oh no, Joe Johnston is directing Captain America... This could be horrible.
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Actually, just watch this and try not to have an aneurysm. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql1uLyuWra8)
Holy shit, is that Wendell Pierce at 0:34?! Now I desperately need to re-watch Hackers next time it rolls through on the T.V.
EDIT: Wait, that's not the Robert Redford movie I thought it was.
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The Robert Redford film you are thinking of is Sneakers - sorry if you were being ironic and I didn't catch it (damn interwebs).
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No, I wasn't being ironic. Thanks! I don't like to have my dodgy computer hacker films all mixed up.
I was being deadly serious about the Bunk, though. That shit's important.
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In a movie about a guy that flies around in a high tech robot battlesuit fighting people who are also wearing high tech robot battlesuits, you are complaining about someone being able to translate a video from Arabic to English? It's called suspension of disbelief!
I found it a little absurd that they had to use some faked-up Middle Eastern accent to talk translated English. I mean, really they'd just stick with Microsoft Sam tbqh.
Not quite so dramatic though.
Its not like they're trying to fool you into thinking anything that stark does is possible in this day and age, or ever. Try building a particle accelerator in your basement with a hammer and some nails.
*insert "BUILT HIS IN A CAAAVE WITH A BOOOOX OF SCRAAAPPS" joke*
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and time for some Easter eggs (http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5456/easteregg.png). Mostly speculation though.
that last photo stating where the red skull is. I dont think so. Its pointing in scandinavia, i think its possibly thor the person, whilst the new mexico was just what we saw after the credits. The shield agent did say "we found it"
as for the duo fighting all the drones in that park, I love the fact it looked samurai-esque with them being back to back, sourrounded, with cherry blossom pedals falling around them. was kind of cool to put in. I didnt notice it until my girlfriend pointed it out.
I was unsure about the thor movie until I saw this movie. now I cant wait!
oh and DJ AM's appearance was awesome. Great way to go out.