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Title: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: DNS on 13 Jan 2009, 08:05
Well, ladies and gents! Here we are... Nearing the end of one of the best damn television shows this side of Caprica.
 :-D

Any guesses on some of the big mysteries?

Who is the Final cylon?
 (My top picks are Dee, Cottle, Gaita and Lee's 'dead' brother)

What the frack happened to earth?!

Who else is gunna die?!

...I love this show.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: lprkn on 13 Jan 2009, 18:55
I just downloaded the first half of Season 4 yesterday in order to catch up. I can't wait!

Lee's 'dead' brother

ooooo...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: DNS on 13 Jan 2009, 19:01
Yeah, there is a convo in the first part of season 4, episode one or two, where Lee is talking to Bill, and he says something like "would it be any different if my brother had walked out of that viper?"

I think Cottle because he is just such a cool character and everyone likes him.

I recently added Dee to my short list, because Moore had stated that the final cylon wasn't in the "last supper" cast shot. And in the place where the final cylon is supposedly supposed to be sitting, Lee looks really pissed off, and Tigh looks shocked as hell.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 14 Jan 2009, 09:12
I am so thoroughly stoked on this.  I keep bringing it up just to get shot down by nonbelievers who clumped it in with Sci-Fi dribble like Stargate and Andromeda.

Also in the Last Supper pic you will notice 5 out of 12 are known Cylons.
(http://darklydreamingdavid.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/battlestar-galactica_lastsupper.jpg)

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: DNS on 14 Jan 2009, 09:50
You know, I actually enjoyed Stargate... but andromeda can suck my balls.

As for the last supper pick, my gf was pretty pissed when I told her what Moore had said about it not have the final cylon in it.

The good news is, that with me here, now, we can change people's minds about BSG.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: mietteissass on 15 Jan 2009, 09:56
Sweet, a thread to share my other obsessions with. I am sooo stoked for Friday. (Yes I said stoked)

My final predictions are Cottle (He has always been nice to everyone, cylon or not) or Gaeta (who is happens, is gay, how awesome is that)

But it could really be anyone. I dont think it is Lee's brother. According to the creators of the show, it is someone we have seen many times.  Someone said it was Tigh's wife. That would be weird.

I cant wait!

Miette
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: TheDozarian on 15 Jan 2009, 11:42
I really wish I'd stayed up with this show...  I watched the entire first season and fell out of the next because of some schedule conflicts...  Best dramatic sci-fi show on TV...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: mietteissass on 16 Jan 2009, 20:40
holy Crap! I cant believe it.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: mehmeh on 17 Jan 2009, 06:27
Wow. Last night's show was certainly a mind-f*ck...

Moore better clear up what seems like continuity gaps vis-a-vis the history of humanity & the Cylons. 11 more hours of regular programming to do it in.

Then 2 movies? That's the rumours.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: bff on 17 Jan 2009, 11:48
there were like 4 major "WTF"s in that episode, my mind has been blown trying to tie it all together.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 17 Jan 2009, 12:19
Watching it now!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: DNS on 17 Jan 2009, 16:44
But... Dee... why?

And Ellen?! wtf... my gf and I think that that is the cheapest, most lowdown dirty trick ever! I will be kinda ticked off if it turns out that it actuaqlly is her.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Hat on 17 Jan 2009, 17:58
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1279/adamascotchvq3.jpg)

"Gods, that's always the answer with you, isn't it dad?"

There was a lot of drinking in this episode, which I guess I probably should have expected.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 17 Jan 2009, 18:29
Ellen was a shitty character, Im glad she got killed off... unfortunately...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: De_El on 17 Jan 2009, 20:39
It'd be interesting to see the same actress play a character that is a lot different and have that play off the characters who remember her a certain way.  But Ellen was truly an unlikeable bitch.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: DNS on 17 Jan 2009, 20:42
It just bothers me when I think about all of the cool directions they could have gone with the final cylon... only to have it come back to... *shudder* Ellen...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: mietteissass on 18 Jan 2009, 07:50
The whole episode was a little disappointing but it was still OMG. I cried when Dee shot herself. I was truly shocked. My husband saw it coming when she was talking to Gaeta though.

And Ellen as the final Cylon. That is sooo F***ed up. It will be interesting to see if she comes back or if there are consequences to the fact that the final cylon is dead. Murdered by another cylon in fact.

I do think it is cool how Anders, Tigh and Chief all remembered their deaths. The shadow of chief was a bit cool.

I have a feeling this final season is going to be a WTF roller-coaster.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: supersheep on 18 Jan 2009, 08:57
I was watching this with two of my housemates. When Apollo went on the date with Dee, one of my housemates said, "Oh, she's going to die. You can't have Apollo getting a ray of hope."
Five minutes later he turns to us and say, "I didn't think it was going to be THAT soon."

Too much exposition, I thought. I know they've got a lot to set up and get through, and I think it will get better, but it was not the best episode.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: fifthfiend on 18 Jan 2009, 15:10
The cylon reveal was pretty good and / or hella-ass stupid.

The Dee thing likewise.

The Starbuck thing also likewise.

The president breaking down and crying and being all not-useful at all, that just sucked all the way.

Also lol at all of us being Cylons. Who knew?

(Also how the hell did they figure that everyone on earth is a cylon, anyway? Since when do they have an actual Cylon detection test (that anyone will actually admit works)?)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Reed on 18 Jan 2009, 17:15
Did nobody else notice the fact that Dee found the jacks in the sand on the beach, then I think it was when Lee was going through her stuff after she died he found that she had her own set of jacks?

I'm starting to get suspicious that either there are a lot more cylons, everyone will turn out to be a cylon without knowing it, or they are going to pull some other kind of crazy mindfuck on us
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: lprkn on 19 Jan 2009, 15:45
The Ellen reveal is kind of cool because I like the idea of Ellen and Tigh having this tumultuous relationship that spans time and space; they truly love each other and they've been through tons and tons of history. I do have to admit my reaction was more"hmmm" than "OMG" though.

I just hope they get all of the outstanding questions answered in the limited time they have left while still telling an engaging story. /impossiblerequest
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: mietteissass on 20 Jan 2009, 08:19
(Also how the hell did they figure that everyone on earth is a cylon, anyway? Since when do they have an actual Cylon detection test (that anyone will actually admit works)?)

I think the jacks he found were the ones she had taken from the beach. She collected all those jacks and took them with her.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 20 Jan 2009, 15:27
(Also how the hell did they figure that everyone on earth is a cylon, anyway? Since when do they have an actual Cylon detection test (that anyone will actually admit works)?)

Im sure the Cylons have a reliable Cylon test.  And Starbuck is always great, though she is kind of a spaz when dealing with stressful things which kind of rubs me the wrong way.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 21 Jan 2009, 09:43
Yes, one should be much more calm when you discover what appears to be your fighter wrecked and strewn across the landscape with what appears to be your corpse in the cockpit.

That level of stress should be easy to take :roll:
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 21 Jan 2009, 10:23
I would consult someone, has people do tests to confirm its hers, maybe some carbon dating etc since obviously there is weird shit going on.  I would not steal my dogtag/ring and burn the thing.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Tom on 21 Jan 2009, 12:02
Maybe she's been a cylon the whole time.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: sithyeti on 21 Jan 2009, 23:51
I hope we get to find out more about what went down on Earth. Sure we know there were big explosions and stuff, but even with that there would still be some life left on the planet.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: mietteissass on 22 Jan 2009, 08:47
What is interesting is that all the Cylons are sensitive to radiation and they were killed with nuclear weapons on Earth.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 22 Jan 2009, 09:21
They are effectively people, they are organic so it makes sense that radiation kills them.  But I am curious to know more about earth.  Was every earthling a Cylon and just 5 special ones went through time and space to fulfill the whatever prophecies?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 25 Jan 2009, 06:51
I'm thinking the impending human civil conflict is much more interesting.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 25 Jan 2009, 09:09
Civil War is the dumbest thing the last 40,000 people can do.  Esp when they are using the GIANT ASS FUCKING BASESTAR that in the middle of the fleet to cause it.  If what the rebels say is true, then the Basestar could launch all its nukes and kill everyone before anyone had a chance to stop them.  So obviously they arent malicious.

Also Gaeta is a fucking tool.  God he pisses me off more than Zarek, who is slimy but usually has vision, and ultimately does the right thing for humanity, which civil war clearly isn't.

Not to mention 5 of the most important people to the Battlestar, Admiral Adama, XO Tigh, Captain Starbuck, Chief Engineer (or is it former) Tyrol, And Boomer who seems to be the highest ranking Raptor pilot.  Would have to go, 3 of which arent exactly replaceable in the fleet.  Its just a fucking bad idea.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 26 Jan 2009, 10:34
No one ever said that people think clearly. 

What you've got are a band of people who are in the following circumstances:

a.  Their home planets and practically every member of their species is destroyed by another species;
b.  They have been living on the run for over 4 years, practically the entire time in space ships not necessarily designed for extended periods of travel with little more than the clothes on their backs; and
c.  They have had this one little ray of hope - that they will reach a planet with more of their own species on it.
 
Now, throw the following into the mix -

a.  The species that destroyed thier own is now with them in their search for this other planet;
b.  Several high-ranking members of the existing power structure are revealed to actually be members of the other;
c.  The planet you've been searching for is uninhabitable, and the species that used to inhabit it is revealed to be your sworn enemy; and
d.  Your leader has apparently withdrawn her leadership and the lawful replacement is not being respected by the warlord in charge of the military forces.

Now you've got the prospect of yet more living in a metal tube looking for a habitable planet.   Even if there's no way the leaders could have known about the mysterious planet's condition they would still be blamed for its condition.  Any wonder why some people might be considering a shake up to the existing order? 

Definitely a change from my first BSG where, after a brief (1 or2 episodes) setting up of the government everyone pretty much accepts the wise and benevolent military dictatorship of Lorne Greene (I mean Commander Adama).
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 26 Jan 2009, 16:19
Bottom line is there *should* be martial law.  The fact that they still have a quorum is a joke.  Its a kindness granted to the people to make life easier.  Its basically a caste system of extreme socialism, if not communism headed by a toy government (who should be mere administrators), and a military head.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: supersheep on 26 Jan 2009, 16:28
The thing about Battlestar is that it is trying to show humanity's attempt to retain the things that make it worthwhile to be human - the rule of law, some form of democracy, stuff like that. That's why I kinda like Lee. It's why I really like Helo - he stopped the genocide of Cylons after all. It doesn't take the easy option, all the decisions the higher-ups make, they're all tough. Martial law hasn't been imposed because it'd be one step further away from the society the Twelve Colonies is supposed to be.

Also, communism? Really?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 26 Jan 2009, 16:57
Well I havent seen many issues of people being denied medicine because they cant afford it.  Then again we havent seen much of civilian life.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 27 Jan 2009, 09:47
Yes, because all the examples we've ever seen of military dictatorships leads us to understand that they are the best means of keeping people content, encouraging industrial development/economic growth, etc. :roll:

Military dictatorships are good at one thing - generating the rebellion against them.  The only way that the fleet has managed not to shake itself apart before is that the rule of law and the pre-existing governmental norms were being followed (military subordination to the civilian government, etc)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 27 Jan 2009, 15:21
This is a closed society on the brink of destruction hounded by an enemy of considerable means.

The regular rules shouldnt apply.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 28 Jan 2009, 10:17
Why?

What would make Adama more able to determine the proper distribution of food, clothing, etc. resources to the non-military portion of the fleet?  What makes him better able to decide on how the young people should be educated?

Those sort of decisions demand an actual civilian government - The Pegasus episodes showed what could have happened if the military took precedence over all - the actual destruction of the race, as the military took what they needed for their immediate needs and then abandoned the civilians.  While thye might not abandon the fleet, I'm not so certain that you'd get any kind of actual assistance from the civilians who are being used essentially as serfs of the military.  I'm fairly certain I wouldn't want to live in that sort of a society and I occasionally wear a silly green suit.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 28 Jan 2009, 16:50
Im going to paraphrase myself and say "The government should operate as administers only" and all decisions that affect the safety of the fleet should made by the Military.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 29 Jan 2009, 12:31
Why?

What would make Adama more able to determine the proper distribution of food, clothing, etc. resources to the non-military portion of the fleet?  What makes him better able to decide on how the young people should be educated?

Those sort of decisions demand an actual civilian government - The Pegasus episodes showed what could have happened if the military took precedence over all - the actual destruction of the race, as the military took what they needed for their immediate needs and then abandoned the civilians.  While thye might not abandon the fleet, I'm not so certain that you'd get any kind of actual assistance from the civilians who are being used essentially as serfs of the military.  I'm fairly certain I wouldn't want to live in that sort of a society and I occasionally wear a silly green suit.

Like hell the civilian government is necessary for that. Adama has never been kept in check by the civilian government. Zarek is very right in one regard: Adama and Roslin have been in bed together since the destruction of the colonies (and quite literally so now). If Admiral Cain had been commander of Galactica, she would've executed any civilian government the moment it made a motion against her and abandoned the fleet at the first sign of mutiny. Adama was kept in check by his own morality and the compassion of Lee, not anything the Quorum ever did.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 29 Jan 2009, 13:14
The thing is a benevolent dictator has the best interest of the people at heart.  So is it really a bad thing? 

His actions arent selfish or made with a desire to keep power, they are made to keep the fleet safe.  And I would say he is the most qualified to do the job.  But the undertones of the show are trying to reflect racism, not an abuse of democracy or anything else.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 29 Jan 2009, 13:58
And how then, do you deal with a non-benevolent dictator?  It is only a few steps from "I'm doing this for all our good."  to "Sod your needs, I need this to prop up my own power/to benefit me and my friends."

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 29 Jan 2009, 15:16
Well, in the case of BSG, you're more than likely fucked if you have a malevolent dictator, since that dictator is the only thing between you and the annihilation of your species.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 29 Jan 2009, 16:27
Yeah Border Reiver why are you so intent on siding with the fucked rebels?

If it was me, I'd back the team that *might* survive, not the team that will not survive.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: supersheep on 30 Jan 2009, 03:59
Because they're right? Maybe they're not doing it the right way or whatever, and they'll probably end up messing things up horribly, but the whole point of the thing is that if they give up on democracy, then why bother?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 30 Jan 2009, 07:22
I'm not backing the "f*cked up rebels".  What I am saying is that a military dictatorship is no way to run a society, and that the president has done a really poor job of selling the necessity of what they need to do to th Quorum and to the people of the fleet.  In fact it's such a bad sales job that a large % of characters now see no choice but to go against the duly constituted authority. 

I'm ready to wait til tonight and see what they've cooked up for us.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 30 Jan 2009, 10:38
Because they're right? Maybe they're not doing it the right way or whatever, and they'll probably end up messing things up horribly, but the whole point of the thing is that if they give up on democracy, then why bother?

Destroying humanity just to be "right" seems like a poor decision.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Hat on 30 Jan 2009, 15:03
What is interesting is that all the Cylons are sensitive to radiation and they were killed with nuclear weapons on Earth.

This is interesting, because I guess in theory they could just write in that the Cylons had been using anti-radiation meds since their invasion of the colonies, but that would seem like kind of a cop out. I probably wouldn't mind it too much if they had to throw down the cylons on Earth in order to make an interesting and relevant plot point though.

Also Uh isn't one of the main advantages of a Military Dictatorship flexibility in a crisis? Whether or not a military dictatorship is MORALLY right doesn't affect whether or not it increases the odds of humanities survival. If I was in a similar situation I'd be fucking happy with a just plain ol' neutral dictator and we could sort the rest out once we sorted out the imminent and fast approaching death of our species
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 31 Jan 2009, 23:23
Jesus, last night's episode was ridiculously good, but I basically felt sick the entire time. Surely no one can agree with Gaeta and Zarek's methods, if not their motives.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Jimor on 01 Feb 2009, 00:45
Yeah, it was pretty intense. I watched the preview for next week's ep on scifi.com, and it really had an "oh shit!" punch to it, but I kinda wish now that I had avoided it so that I could let the whole episode unfold as it may.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 01 Feb 2009, 10:05
Gotta admit that I want Gaeta to plan my next coup.  That one was rather well organized.

Now did anyone notice Spec. Gage soundenly realize that he'd signed on for something more than just having a go at the female cylon and Helo when he was told to relay the order to shoot down the raptor? 

Should be an interesting conclusion to the mutiny.  I'm going to predict that Cavil shows up....probably just before Adama gets shot.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 01 Feb 2009, 10:20
Yeah, this is definitely the sort of situation that gets resolved with an "Oh shit!" deus ex machina on BSG.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 01 Feb 2009, 11:21
If it ain't gonna be resolved with a deux ex machina then it'll end badly - remember Cally?   Although, most shows or stories don't kill off main characters until the very end, and then we'd get the traditional "passing of the torch" to the acknowledged successor - if that happens I think the next in the old Chain of command that's still in operation would be Starbuck (Helo and Tigh being hors de combat at present).
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 01 Feb 2009, 12:40
Well, they can still get out of it without killing anyone major and without deus ex toaster. Starbuck, Lee, and the Chief are still armed and at large on the ship. If they can gather Helo and the Cylons and arm them, they have a decent chance to take CIC back. And with Lee having access to the wireless, Roslin can completely dismantle Zarek's rise to power, even if Galactica is still a war zone.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Uber Ritter on 01 Feb 2009, 22:43
Personally, I thought this last was one of the best episodes of Battlestar I've ever seen.  Probably one of the best depictions I've ever seen of a revolution on TV, in all of it's chaos and ugliness.  Someone did their fucking homework on revolutionary chaos, just like they boned up on occupation and resistance (and the retribution of the resistance against collaborators) for the beginning of season 3.  If anyone wants to know why I am not a 'revolutionary,' they can consult this episode for a very visceral illustration.  And yes, I was sick for almost the entire episode and so were my two friends watching.  We've made a habit of following up Battlestar with 'The Wire,' and I think tonight the latter would have actually been less depressing.

Zareck and Gaeta are both totally committed, but I think it's interesting how Zareck is essentially comfortable with the amorality of his means while Gaeta can commit to them without seeming to be at peace with them.

Starbuck is a born counter-revolutionary; she figures that the best way to quash this is to keep putting bullets in people's skulls until it's over, which might be only slightly more than is needed here.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: mietteissass on 03 Feb 2009, 11:09
I agree with the sick feeling the entire time. Gaeta was in the perfect place to cause a coup. It couldn't have been better planned. I love how Starbuck starting kicking ass and not worrying about names. I'm with her.

And I don't know about all of you, but I cannot CANNOT wait for Gaeta to get his ass kicked. I use to like him as a character and I have mad respect for how smoothly the coup went. But I can't wait for Adama to punch him in his face and take a pee on his stump.

(wow i shocked myself with that)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 03 Feb 2009, 11:20
Don't think it'll be anything like that, but I can see lots of summary trials and the airlocks being quite busy, or the Astral Queen becoming a service detention barracks for the low level conspirators.

Gaeta's pooched unless he can successfully carry the coup out.  The only excuse for rebellion is success (just ask the Americans)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 03 Feb 2009, 15:39
Gaeta went from a pretty rad character to a whiny hateful bitch when he lost his foot.  Like that foot was 100% personality, and carrying the rest of him literally and figuratively.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: TheDozarian on 06 Feb 2009, 07:43
Gaeta went from a pretty rad character to a whiny hateful bitch when he lost his foot.  Like that foot was 100% personality, and carrying the rest of him literally and figuratively.

Gotta agree with ya...  And like mietteissass mentioned, I can't wait for Adama to knock this kid on his ass...  Pissin' on his stump... that was a nice touch...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: mietteissass on 07 Feb 2009, 08:32
YAY! He got it! Gaeta is dead. But no pissing on the stump. I do think it was funny that his stump stopped itching right before the end. I was soo glad Zurich got it as well.  I am still waiting for the the other Cylons. I thought for sure they would show up.

I am worried about the crack in the hull of the galactica. Tyrol is such an amazing guy. I love him for pulling the FTL drive.

And Helen is coming back, Im a lil disappointed by that, but it will be interesting to see that.

I was pleased with the whole episode. Adama kicks ass.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: AdamW on 07 Feb 2009, 13:31
Frakking awesome episode last time. I've really liked Gaeta's character, but his end was pretty awesome.

Very part of the episode was the lawyer stabbing the guard with his pen. I didn't know that guy could be more awesome than he already was.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Hat on 07 Feb 2009, 21:33
Holy fuck that was so fucking bad ass. The last two episodes have been brutal as hell but this just topped it. It seemed like every single character received a free complementary badass upgrade. I rewatched Roslin's speech about three times. Honestly there is not a lot I can say about this episode without just using the word badass in ever sentence. The acting was brilliant, every single star of the show has stepped up to the level the show is at since it came back from the midseason break. These last three episodes have convinced me that I don't even care how the plot is resolved at the end of the season, as long as they keep up the sheer level of quality the show has been at since the hiatus.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: De_El on 07 Feb 2009, 22:37
I thought when the episode began, "My God, I'll bet before this is over, someone will have the pleasure of killing Tom Zarek." And whattaye figure, it seems I was right.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 08 Feb 2009, 21:27
I'm disappointed but not shocked by Zarek. From his introduction, I liked his politics and hated his guts. The two basic facts of Tom Zarek were that he's completely amoral in his grabs for power and that, even so, he's right. It just so happens, in this instance, I finally felt he was wrong. And it seems he met his end for it.

So there's democracy for you.

Fantastic, amazing episode. I was trembling from emotion the entire time. Roslin's defiance of Zarek, Baltar's realization of his duty, Tyrol's epic climb through the guts of the ship to save the day, every single fucking thing Kara did, the triumphant return of awesome lawyer man, and finally Adama marching down the corridors of his ship back to CIC.

There is no other show on TV like this. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Hat on 08 Feb 2009, 22:03
Now that he has stone cold fucking stabbed a dude with a pen you should know that the lawyers name is Romo.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 08 Feb 2009, 22:09
I did know that. Romo Lampkin.

Dude was also Badger on Firefly.

I wish I could be that actor.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 11 Feb 2009, 09:40
I'm disappointed but not shocked by Zarek. From his introduction, I liked his politics and hated his guts. The two basic facts of Tom Zarek were that he's completely amoral in his grabs for power and that, even so, he's right. It just so happens, in this instance, I finally felt he was wrong. And it seems he met his end for it.

So there's democracy for you.

Fantastic, amazing episode. I was trembling from emotion the entire time. Roslin's defiance of Zarek, Baltar's realization of his duty, Tyrol's epic climb through the guts of the ship to save the day, every single fucking thing Kara did, the triumphant return of awesome lawyer man, and finally Adama marching down the corridors of his ship back to CIC.

There is no other show on TV like this. Brilliant.

Tom and Felix committed the ultimate sin of staging a coup - they failed.  And of course they paid the price for said failure.

I have to say that my wife and I were just, "Did they really just kill the entire Quorum?"  during the episode.  And at the end the episode was we were both, "Damn, only seven more sleeps to the next one!"
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Hat on 14 Feb 2009, 17:26
Ok so they started out of the gate with a fucking insurrection and now we are getting some real answers about what the fuck has been going on?

Fuck yes

So did Anders  really say there were 8 cylon models created by the final five? Did he say that or was I going crazy?

Because uh....

what the fuck

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 14 Feb 2009, 18:19
Yes the 7 was named Daniel and apparently he was designed as an artistic child, which the logically wannabe computer that is Cavil destroyed permanently.  But BSG tends to not be so permanent when it comes to Cylons, know what Im sayin'

Also, PC from Mac vs PC adverts is the brain surgeon!  CARAAAAAZY!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 14 Feb 2009, 19:32
And now we have to wait 6 sleeps til the next episode.  Damn

Ellen seems like a much more likable character after resurection than she was before it.  And damn can Dean Stockwell carry a grudge.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: mietteissass on 15 Feb 2009, 06:56
The episode was great. We got a lot of answers, I do like Ellen better and I can't believe about the other cylon. That is pretty awesome

I think Ellen is more likable because her other ego was "programmed" to be that way. And the lil boy cylon, I can't wait to see if he comes back.

Anders talking like a hybrid was way awesome.

And I have come to a conclusion about Starbuck. My husband and I were discussing it and we think that Starbuck is now a clone of what she once was. Remember the episode where they were on New Caprica and she ended up in that facility where they took the women's eggs to try to spawn new cylons. WE think they used her eggs and made a clone of her, to send back to BSG.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Hat on 15 Feb 2009, 09:29
I always love a gratuitous Adama drinking scene just for the little touches like picking up the glass and then just slamming the booze straight out of the decanter and then putting it and the glass down. I guess I empathise with a dude who likes to make important decisions drunk.

I really don't like Ellen any more now that she's got her memory back, in fact she kind of irritates me a little more now she's got the full picture. The fact stands, she's still right. The scenes with her and Johnny Cavill are great and were a decent output for some of the ridiculous amount of information they threw at us.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 15 Feb 2009, 11:36
I disagree with the notion that Starbuck is a clone.  She *found* earth, the Centurion Cylons didn't know where earth was (cept the final 5, and not really even then) and they didnt know Starbuck died.  She blew up without the Centurion Cylons knowing and reappeared without them knowing. 

I would wager if anything, earth is not quite so dead and perhaps survivors, the final 5s ancestors, live underground or something.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: bff on 15 Feb 2009, 22:42
Does any one else feel as though they need to go re-watch the entire series based on last weeks revelations?  The fact that Cavil has been manipulating everything changes my perspective of everything that happened before.  One of the primary motivators for Cavil seems to be putting the FF into situations were they have to make choices that would cause their originals the most mental anguish possible.  With that in mind, I ask myself which of the thus-far non-cylon characters he has messed with the most and come up with Baltar.  Therefore I think he will be revealed to be the last cylon.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 15 Feb 2009, 23:55
1) John Hodgman, motherfuckers. Hilarious.

2) Daniel/7 can still be alive, somehow. John/1/Cavil scrambled his genetics so...what if some copies were reborn with new genes and now he looks different...or isn't even a he anymore. An artist, and the only person on the show who paints was...

3) Suddenly killed and then resurrected on Earth. Someplace where the genetics can be screwed up, but the amniotic fluid is pure. Hidden away from the 8, a secret resurrection hub. A hope for the race to survive. A home for humanity to come back to.

Which would be the ultimate in-joke:

Starbuck used to be a man.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 16 Feb 2009, 04:30
So Katee Sackoff was Dirk Benedict?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Bearer on 16 Feb 2009, 10:29
If they try and pull that "All this has happened before..." with the old series and "...all this will happen again" with the new series, I think I'm gonna loose my mind.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 16 Feb 2009, 11:34
4 more sleeps and 5 more episodes to go.

and then TV becomes pointless again.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: bff on 16 Feb 2009, 12:54
If they try and pull that "All this has happened before..." with the old series and "...all this will happen again" with the new series, I think I'm gonna loose my mind.

They have already set it up for "all this will happen again".  The way Cavil has treated the Centurions the past few seasons has already laid the groundwork for their inevitable rebellion against the humanoid cylons.

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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 23 Feb 2009, 08:51
Over 1000 years and Ellen's still a wench!

Seriously, Ellen's character seems to be staying true to the character she had prior to finding out she was a cylon. 

And the Degeneration of Admiral Adama seems to be carrying on apace.  Did anyone else notice that he produced Tigh's old hip flask last episode?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: scarred on 25 Feb 2009, 14:20
4 more sleeps and 5 more episodes to go.

and then TV becomes pointless again.

Only until Caprica debuts in 2010! Already picked up for a 22 episode first season. It's not BSG but it's something.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 27 Feb 2009, 04:51
It's only as good as it's script and acting.  If it's up to the standards of BSG then its all good.  If it's not, then I'll end up watching a few episodes, and if it's no good, thenI can go back to painting little toy soldiers.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Hat on 27 Feb 2009, 08:56
Actually I think Caprica shows a lot of potential seeing as the only real failings of BSG are the pacing and continuity issues that have come out of having to tell this sprawling story and also focus on the day to day life of the fleet. With more coherent and mundane plotlines on a smaller scale it could really shine.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 01 Mar 2009, 19:59
How is no one discussing this damn episode?

So, I think everyone can agree that Starbuck is Daniel's daughter?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 02 Mar 2009, 05:41
Nah - I'm hoping that she's actually Tigh's daughter. 
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 02 Mar 2009, 06:35
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Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: scarred on 02 Mar 2009, 11:27
Whatever just happened, all I know is when they started playing the Cylon Activation Theme on piano I got shivers.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 02 Mar 2009, 15:04
Moi aussi
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Jimor on 02 Mar 2009, 16:04
What I'm curious to see is if there's ever an explanation of why Galactica, and in particular, the Five got away. It's clear now that Boomer was Cavil's mole from the beginning, with direct access to Tyrol, and indirect access to Tigh and Ellen. Tory and Sam's survival and getaway might have been orchestrated as well.

There's just too much of a coincidence here, though I suppose it might not be Cavil's doing completely, but he's probably responsible for putting the five where they were. Still, I think he likes the idea of them all being around to experience the aftermath before the final extermination. Then you have the special roles that Adama/Roslin/Thrace/Baltar (is there a fifth I might be missing to complete the symmetry?) have to play, so I'm thinking they were always part of the mix.

Was Galactica et al chosen for this mission beforehand, and if so, by who?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 03 Mar 2009, 04:52
Well, my wife and I are convinced that Cavil knew who the five were from the beginning. 

Which makes his "interactions" with Ellen just plain creepy, and his interactions with Saul and Galen just plain filled with irony.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 03 Mar 2009, 10:55
The writers of No Exit later confirmed that Cavil knew who they were and, at one time, all 8 Colonial models knew too, but Cavil wiped their memory of them and instituted the conviction that they weren't supposed to know (hence his stance in the Civil War- it was his rule to begin with).

So, yeah. He was just enjoying fucking around with them (literally, in Ellen's case) the entire time because he's a malicious bastard.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 04 Mar 2009, 04:45
He does seem a little bitter that of all the cylon models, he's the one that got all the wrinkles.

But hey, he got Boomer right - that's got to count for something.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Hat on 07 Mar 2009, 19:22
"yeah I'm pissing, you never been asked questions by a chick while she takes a piss before HUH"

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 07 Mar 2009, 19:35
Only 2 epis to wrap everything up!  Battlestar is dying!

If only the Pegasus survived, it was in much better shape.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Inlander on 08 Mar 2009, 08:11
The most recent episode made me think that they just might manage to wrap everything up in the two remaining episodes after all.

Great closing shot, with Tigh and Adama sitting (and drinking!), both having made the hard decision and both realising it's the right one and taking just a little moment out from all the madness to say a quiet goodbye to Galactica. I loved the sot superimposing Galactica's scarred and craggy old hull over Adama's scarred and craggy old face, too.

The only sour note in the episode for me was the sudden jump from the close-up on Starbuck after she puts her photo up on the Death Wall to the very cheesy D-grade telemovie-sword-and-sorcery looking secret Cylon base. I think the main problem with the way the base looked was the colour. Purple's a very crappy-fantasy colour. (Although I was very relieved that Starbuck didn't shoot herself in the head: she had that T.V. drama "just about to shoot myself in the head" look about her in that close-up, and god knows we don't need to go through that again this season.)
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 08 Mar 2009, 08:51
Starbuck can't shoot herself in the head.  She hasn't given Lee a few moments of happiness.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: scarred on 09 Mar 2009, 16:04
No! Galactica can survive! Convert it to a Battlestar/Basestar fusion and use Anders as its hybrid. KEEP THE OLD GIRL ALIIIIIIIVE
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 10 Mar 2009, 04:29
There comes a time in the life of every military vehicle when it has to be turned into razor blades/museum piece or a reef. 

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: scarred on 10 Mar 2009, 11:30
Given, the Galactica started out the show as museum-worthy...
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Bearer on 10 Mar 2009, 19:56
Starbuck can't shoot herself in the head.  She hasn't given Lee a few moments of happiness.
Starbuck can't self terminate
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 16 Mar 2009, 15:35
Why is it that I'm picturing Adama and Tigh alone on the bridge, shaking hands and both saying "It's been an honour." as the Galactica rams the colony just as Starbuck and Apollo escape in raptor with Hera.

Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: scarred on 17 Mar 2009, 09:50
Agh, I missed last friday's episode and as of now neither Hulu nor SciFi Rewind have it up yet. Grrr!

EDIT:

A consultation of BSGwiki shows that Daybreak Part I hasn't been aired yet... true?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 17 Mar 2009, 10:31
False. It aired last Friday.

And was weird.

This Friday is the end is the beginning is the end.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: scarred on 17 Mar 2009, 10:33
Noooooo! I must see! Damn you, internets, you fail me again!
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Bearer on 17 Mar 2009, 16:51
iTunes has some deal where they'll have the episodes first.  Hulu and the like has to wait a week.  I have a gift card that would have otherwise went unused (yay bittorrent for my music acquisition) so I'm cool with it, but I imagine it makes this kind of thing a huge pain.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: De_El on 18 Mar 2009, 00:39
I am still utterly convinced that Baltar is the hapless savior of the universe.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Jimor on 21 Mar 2009, 03:48
Perfect.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: De_El on 21 Mar 2009, 09:00
Okay, I guess I was wrong.  It was a pretty good ending.  I feel vaguely unsatisfied, but part of that is just because it's over. In the middle, a lot of shit happened really fast, and then by the last half hour it was kinda dragging and being oddly heavy-handed, but other than that.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Hat on 22 Mar 2009, 17:47
I like the way the very end part before the credits made me realise the last two seasons implicitly seem kind of like a pre-emptive manifesto for human rights for artificial intelligences.

Great episode. They explained everything that needed explaining, but basically spent most of the last 3 hours just really giving our favourite characters the ends they deserved.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Chesire Cat on 22 Mar 2009, 23:55
I thought starbuck was the harbinger of death or some such BS, what happened
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 23 Mar 2009, 00:07
Actually, all of the prophecies of Starbuck came to pass:

She was the herald of the apocalypse, in this case the real, literal meaning of apocalypse- "revelation", in that her return to Galactica heralded the revelation of the final five and the path to Earth.

She was the harbinger of death, in that her actions caused the destruction of the resurrection hub and, thus, the mortality of the entire Cylon race.

And she brought humanity to its end, the final stop on its long journey, to Earth 2.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: tania on 23 Mar 2009, 00:19
it was a good finale but i was really irritated with the five minutes at the very end where they did that whole "150,000 years later" flash forward to present-day new york city bit. the scene where adama's sitting on the hill next to roslin's grave talking about the cabin he's going to build, and it fades to black - that would have been a much better place to end the episode. the parts after that just felt really corny and redundant. if you got any problem-solving skills whatsoever, you can work out that they landed on our earth and that it's the past, having it literally spelled out seemed to me to really cheapen the ending.
otherwise though, they explained everything i wanted to know and i'm satisfied. now to replace battlestar with caprica.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Ozymandias on 23 Mar 2009, 00:51
Oh, man. Really?

Caprica just doesn't look or sound interesting. I mean, part of the appeal of Galactica was the brilliant moral, political, and philosophical questioning being counterpointed by bad-ass fucking space battles with nukes.

Caprica just kind of looks like a basic drama that also might have some robots.

Also, I mean...no Edward James Olmos, no Katie Sackhoff, no Dean Stockwell...I do not see the point. There's so many potentially interesting stories in the BSG universe and they chose the most boring timeframe I could imagine.

Also, the end part with Angel Gaius and Six. Jesus. Thanks for spelling out "OMG THE ROBOTS MIGHT KILL US" as if that wasn't the entire fucking plot of the entire four seasons of the fucking show.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Hat on 23 Mar 2009, 03:59
the scene where adama's sitting on the hill next to roslin's grave talking about the cabin he's going to build, and it fades to black - that would have been a much better place to end the episode.

I agree completely but I lack the nerd rage required to get worked up about everything afterwards cause it was  still pretty cool and I thought it was a good way to explain that the head characters were external from the characters, as well as technically answering the question of what they were, but raising a lot more that are worth contemplating on our own.

From the SA BSG thread for this episode:

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Awesome moment.

Also the point of the montage to me wasn't to say "WE MIGHT BE IN DANGER OF REPEATING THE CYCLE OMG" but rather to highlight that we are heading vaguely in the general direction the show is, but that we don't have to make the same mistakes of treating our creations like subservients.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Border Reiver on 23 Mar 2009, 04:57
I disagree.  the best place to stop the episode would have been right after the Earth appeared over the moon.  The last half hour of the show felt like it was the product of "OMG, we have 30 minutes to fill!"
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: tania on 23 Mar 2009, 05:31
but that wouldn't have included the scene where roslin died - it sounds pretty awful but i think it was really important in giving that character and her relationship with adama closure, as they've been building up to that since pretty much the first episode of the first season. personally i thought it was one of the most beautiful and touching moments of the episode too. cutting off the episode there wouldn't have resolved anything with starbuck either. but yeah, for the most part i definitely got the filler vibe as well.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: Inlander on 23 Mar 2009, 06:30
Also it wouldn't have included the moment where Baltar was talking about farming and suddenly almost broke down, which was actually upon reflection I think my favourite part of the whole episode. It was just so perfectly acted, and I think that it was also essential to the show for all the collective distress and grief that all the characters have gone through over the last four years or suddenly burst out in the middle of the happy ending, even if only for a few seconds.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: scarred on 23 Mar 2009, 13:56
End it with Adama on the hill, next to Roslin's grave. That was the emotional high point and the perfect place to close the series. It's been about them since the start. On DVD I'm never watching it past this point again.

Also, scratch the whole "Let's abandon our tech" bullshiat. When Adama's sitting on the hill, have him looking out over the valley and various groups of people building cabins and planting crops.

And, really? Not only was the 150,000 Years Later refuckingdiculous, you had to go and ruin it further with a montage of robots while playing "All Along the Watchtower"? I wanted to break something.

Also, the happy ending completely spoils any significance on the part of Tori. When Tyrol learned she killed Cally I thought they were going to finally give Tori some meaning - her as a Cylon was a "WTF" moment purely because she was never a key player, and killing Cally was really the only important thing she ever did as a Cylon - but instead they went ahead with the peace anyway.

Alternate ending thoughts:

- When Tyrol kills Tori all hell breaks loose, Cavil is shot in the stomach and carried away by his Centurions, the Simon and Doral are both killed.
- As the Raiders turn back on Galactica, the whole Starbuck-entering-coordinates scene commences.
- Galactica jumps away right before the Raiders close on it. Immediately after, Racetrack launches the nukes just before she dies.
- As the colony dies, several Baseships, full of Centurions, escape. Cavil lies dying in the command center of one, says to the Centurions, "You think they didn't plan this all along?" He dies. The Centurions look at each other ominously.
- Galactica arrives at "Real" Earth. It's not inhabited by humanoids.
- All the landing stuff happens; the families, the characters, Lee/Kara, Saul/Ellen, Helo/Sharon/Hera; except for the "Let's Become Cave People" thing. Sure, they abandon their technology, but we see cabins being built and little paths being made.
- Adama/Roslin have their Raptor flight and burial. Adama on the cliff, next to the grave, watches the human race construct their wood buildings on their new home. His mission is accomplished. His journey is over. Cross dissolve to:
- Gaius and Caprica's conversation with the Angels . "All of this has happened before... All of it will happen again..." The Angels depart. Pull out from the planet to show the galaxy (alluding to Season 3) and pull back in a different part, with a shot of the Baseships. Cue the Final Four theme. They jump away. Blackout. End of Series.


At least there's still the Plan to look forward to before nervous anticipation of Caprica. Just remember that everybody thought a reimagining of BSG was a terrible idea... Skepticism for the spin-off should be taken the same way.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: E. Spaceman on 24 Mar 2009, 07:41
nerdrage
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: supersheep on 29 Mar 2009, 14:31
Alternate ending thoughts:

- When Tyrol kills Tori all hell breaks loose, Cavil is shot in the stomach and carried away by his Centurions, the Simon and Doral are both killed.
Wait what. When Tyrol killed Tori all hell did break loose.

I'm considering learning how to use editing software just to learn how to re-edit the last half hour so it annoys me less. That bit where they decide to go back to no technology pissed me off no end. Cut that, rejig it a bit, and end with Sam flying into the sun/Adama sitting on the hill. Also lose the bit where Kara suddenly disappears - this made no sense to me whatsoever.
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: tania on 29 Mar 2009, 16:43
i actually really liked the part where kara suddenly disappears because it opens up the floor for people to discuss their own interpretations of what they think happened. it's nice to sit down and put together the pieces on your own sometimes as opposed to just having everything explained for you, which is pretty much the same reason i absolutely hated the flash-forward-to-2009 bit. the way it was done was a bit sudden and awkward, but personally i much prefer that they left her departure open to interpretation. what's the fun of watching a series finale if they don't leave you anything to argue with your friends about for the next 4 hours?
Title: Re: Battlestar Galactica on Friday!
Post by: MrMonk on 20 Apr 2009, 21:20
DELAYED NERDRAGE

I was disappointed by the way the loose ends were tied together.

"GODDIDDIT!"  DAMMIT!

Should have seen it coming.